Stranger Things Season 5: The Final Chapter (Episodes 1 & 2 Review)

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>> Sarah : Foreign. Greetings, nerds. This is Seen the Nerd.

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I'm your host, Sarah Belmont, and with me, as

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always, is our Mr. Producer, will Will Polk Carry.

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Doing tonight, Will.

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. How you doing this

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evening?

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>> Sarah : I'm doing fine. I, I told you that, it has been a

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delayed winter. Right, Right. So last yesterday it

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started snowing.

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>> Will: December. December 2nd, you thought it was going

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to be a nice balmy winter.

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>> Sarah : No, no, no, no. We were, I, I told you, we're

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holding our breaths. And even my dad over

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Thanksgiving break was looking out the window and

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saying, we've only had like an inc. And me and my

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mom are like, shh. It will hear you. It will hear

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you and it'll start snowing. And, and so now, now

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knock on wood. Like, it's not too bad. Not too

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bad. But it is arguably not the snow you want

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because it's wet snow.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : So, so thank God. And this is a shout out. My dad,

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who never listens to our podcast, he got me last

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year a snowblower. And so it took me about 20, 25

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minutes to do my driveway with that, thing.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And it was heavy snow, so I was like, thank God.

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I. Because the light snow, that's easy, it's a

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good workout. But when it's the heavy snow, it's

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just like, this isn't fun. And especially like I

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get off work at 4 o', clock, it's PA. Pitch black

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outside. So. So you're doing that in the middle of

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winter and you're also pitch black at night. It's

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not, it's not the way you want it. But, but yeah.

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So, so we're, we're, we're starting to get our

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snow. It's, it's forecasted for the next week. No

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snow. So. So we will, we will see. But this is

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what I would consider our first real, real folks

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snowfall of the, of the winter.

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>> Will: Got it, got it. Well, you know, it may be delayed,

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but here it is. Yeah, we're actually. Supposed to

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get like a wintery mix. And how was your

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Thanksgiving? I, I, hope it was a good one.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, it was good. It was good.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. And yours as well.

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>> Will: Yeah, it was very good. And and just did a little

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bit of traveling and to your point about weather,

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so. Gone to Pittsburgh and to do some visits for

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my son. He's you know, in the college planning and

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days and stuff. And, and right. Literally the next

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day we like look at the, for, look at the, he goes

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on the Instagram And. And see, like, campus is

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just, like, blanketed with snow. So it is

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December. So it's that time of year.

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>> Sarah : It is that time of year. So before we get into our

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main topic tonight, I heard something interesting.

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and it's related to a little show we finished

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talking about last week called Severance. Okay.

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Okay, so. And I am hearing an echo. I don't know

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if you are.

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>> Will: No.

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>> Sarah : Okay. so I was, listening to one of the Ringer

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podcasts, and they. They briefly.

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>> Will: Or.

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>> Sarah : I was briefly tuning into it, and they were

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talking about. This was a few months ago. This is

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an old thing about the Emmys and who won, because

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the big thing going in was Severance. You had

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Severance, and then you had White, Lotus, and you

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had, the Pit, and the Pit took home the trophies.

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Right, for best drama season.

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>> Will: Yeah, season one did.

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>> Sarah : Yep. Yeah, Season one. Now, I know you haven't

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watched Pit season one. Correct. I've watched now

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both season two of Severance and the Pit, season

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one. And I. I thought it was interesting that what

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they said about why. Why the Pit walked away. And

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I've never considered this factor before, and they

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indicated that, well, it was an industry vote,

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and. Because the Pit is a show that can. Is. Is,

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providing jobs on an annual basis, because right

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after it was such a huge success, it immediately

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went into production for season two, and now it's

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coming out. Season two is coming out a year later.

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Meanwhile, a show like Severance, beautifully

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written, very artistic, very, popular among

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people, and a constant, like, pop culture of

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Rolex. However, we have to wait three years, and

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as a viewer, we have to wait three years. But I

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never really thought about how. Well, now those

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people who work on that show, they don't have a

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job until the next season goes into production.

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>> Will: True. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Or.

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>> Will: Or they. They may. I guess it depends. I mean,

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maybe. I guess as far as the production crew,

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maybe they can pick up another show.

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>> Sarah : Oh, absolutely. Like. Like, I'm not saying that,

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but, like, for. For that. It's not a. A quick

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turnaround like it would be for the Pit or other

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shows that you can have such a. A quick. Like the

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workplace dramas that used to dominate network

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television.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I. Yeah, I guess that's true.

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I mean, because I get it would be difficult as an

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actor in particular to probably. Maybe. Maybe be

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able to book stuff as far as, like, if it's too

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far in advance, because you.

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>> Sarah : You.

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>> Will: You. You're. I mean, I. I guess you can maybe do

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a. A movie or, or short series potentially. If

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it's you know, not one that requires a lot of

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heavy post production, work or if it. Or if it is

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instead of requires like a House of the Dragon or

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something like that, it does have a lot of huge

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post production work. Maybe you can like do

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something like that, but you know, some. So I

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guess, maybe it's one of those. Maybe it's the

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end. For me, I would think it would be the

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opposite problem because, you know, for, for so

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many years with like for example, the shows we

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used to cover, the arse shows.

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>> Sarah : Yep.

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>> Will: Their, their productions were literally run for

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almost like 8 to 10 months and, and really left

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little time for the actors to do other. Other work

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in that hiatus period. Whereas now with this,

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maybe with the shorter seasons in the streaming

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era, I mean, I would think for an actor you may be

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able to pick up more work, in between those hiatus

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periods.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, absolutely. I think, I think that's totally

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true because a lot of the actors who we. We

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watched on CW would talk about how they could only

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fit in something over the summer, that they would

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have breaks. And nine times out of 10 it would be

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a horror M movie. Like, there's a reason why you

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would see, why you would see TV actors, quote,

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unquote, in certain, a certain genre of film and

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not in other films because of that short time

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window. But if you remove the actors, like all of

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the, the jobs that you don't think about, like

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the, the writers, sure. They can also very much be

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writing other things. But I'm talking about like

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the real crew, and behind the scenes that, that it

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takes. And I just thought it was a very, something

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I'd never considered before, especially in terms

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of not just the Emmys, but any of these awards.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : but it is a reminder that, that this is very much

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a, A job that. And there's a union. And there's a

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lot of different unions involved here. And so

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it's, it's. It. And when you have, other people

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who, who want to share that kind of employment, it

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probably is a factor in terms of voter opinion.

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and it's. And it's arguably, it made sense to me

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why. Okay, I can see why that would sway. Because

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the Pit is good. It really is good. I don't think

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it's better than season two of severance. I also.

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I have issues with the Pit just in general because

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I, I don't think it told that much of a story in

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my opinion. I Think there. It was a good start to

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a story, but it didn't. It didn't have times. It

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focused. It prioritized the workforce, like the

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workplace, and really nailing, like, this

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immersion, immersion experience for the viewer to.

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As if we were actually in the er, which, let's

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face this, none of us want to be in the er.

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>> Will: No. That'S not where I want to spend my time.

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>> Sarah : No. No. But we were put in there for 12 episodes

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or I think 16 or something, for a very long time.

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And you felt like you watched an entire shift, and

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it didn't. I don't think it did that much towards

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prioritizing the. The character development. but

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that's just my opinion, and I know people would

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disagree with me about that for certain reasons,

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but, Yeah, so. So I just wanted to bring that up

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because I thought it was an interesting, point,

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especially as we head off of severance and, go

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into the Upside Down.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, no, thanks for. Thanks for bringing

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that up, man. Definitely. You know. You know, I'm

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always a sucker for, like, talking about those

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types of things, so I'm glad that, I have to.

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You'll have to tell me after the show or. What

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show was it? folks want to. Want to hear,

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>> Sarah : Oh, more about it.

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>> Will: Was it.

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>> Sarah : I can't remember.

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>> Will: Yeah, Well, I know. Yeah. Well, it's good. Yeah, I

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know the Ringiverse has a bunch of different

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shows. I. I think. Is it. I think. I know was

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probably which one it is. And, Oh, God. But, was

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it the two guys?

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>> Sarah : It was probably somewhere on, the ringer movies.

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Just look up that channel. Just look up the ringer

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in movies in general, and you'll. You'll find

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something. So. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. but.

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>> Will: Yeah. So, yeah. We ready to head to the Upside

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Down?

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I was just about to transition. all right.

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I. I just want to start off and say stranger,

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things. After watching the first two episodes,

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neither Will or I have watched the second two

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episodes. I can say without a doubt in my mind,

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stranger Things is the equivalent to popcorn

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movies. M. Okay. It is the TV version of a popcorn

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movie. And that's why, despite anyone's reluctance

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or you and I both were kind of like a, Stranger

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Things. But then. Then you watch it, and you're

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like, suddenly like, well, why can't I keep going?

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Yep. I'm here. I'm in it. Is it the most

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groundbreaking thing? No. Are a lot of the things

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that happened in these two epis very predictable?

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Yes. Is the acting. Oh, like, oh, my God, no. But

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David harbor is there and he's always fun, so he.

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He. He shall live forever. For his performance as

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Red Guardian earlier this year, still. Still love

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that scene when he shows up and he's like, Yelena

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is just like, oh, my God, my dad is so

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embarrassing. I just felt her in that moment, and

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it will live rent free in my mind. Fore. So, but,

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Will, what are some of your overall thoughts?

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>> Will: Yeah, you're right. I mean, as I was, as I was

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finishing episode one and I watched it, but before

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I went on my trip and. And as you're. I was like,

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I really want to, like, go ahead and watch episode

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two. But I was. It was late, I was tired, and I

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was just like, no, no, no. I want to enjoy it. So.

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But you're totally right. It's. It. The way they

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structure this show, it. It definitely. When you.

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It definitely, like, created the mold of the

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Netflix, it's like model. As far as the Netflix

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archetype, as far as we. We have designed this

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show to like, completely give you that dopamine

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hit of like, gotta just hit, you know, when the

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scroll across the screen. Next episode. And five,

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four. You just. You have to really have to make

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yourself stop because it is one of those shows

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that, like, they just build it up and then, boom,

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they hit. They hit you with something and then

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you're like, I gotta watch. I gotta go to the next

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one. I gotta go to the next one. But, yeah, I

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mean, it. For me, it was as soon as I heard the

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theme and, and, just brought me immediately, like,

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brought me back into this world. Because you're

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right, you know, it's been so, you know, to

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following up on an earlier discussion about just

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long production times and times between seasons. I

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mean, it's been a minute, you know, since the

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fourth season, with how long the show has,

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>> Sarah : Choose me. Choose me. Choose me. Yeah. Yeah. So

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somebody pointed this out. There's this little

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show called the Summer I Turned Pretty on Amazon.

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Summer I Turned Pretty premiered the same year of

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the last, last season of Stranger, Things. Right.

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So Summer I Turned Pretty finished up its third

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season this year. It's just. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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yeah.

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>> Will: I mean, so you can't, like, we, you know, you

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can't, like, ignore the fact that there's been a

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long, long time between. Between the two seasons.

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>> Sarah : And have you looked at the age of the actors?

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>> Will: Oh, I know. That was the other thing, too. That

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was the other thing too. It's Just like, you know,

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this show started like a. Literally a decade ago

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and, and, and this. You know, and I was looking, I

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saw a way, I saw a meme of. I think it was culture

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crave or what. Something. Something on threads and

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course they go to like you know, the actors who

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play Steve and. And And. And so it was like, you

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know, I think in real life he's like 33 and he's

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playing a character who's like 21. And then of

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course and like Caleb who plays Oh gosh, I'm

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blanking on his name now. but Caleb McLaughlin, he

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plays the the black kid.

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>> Sarah : Lucas.

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>> Will: Lucas. Yes, Lucas. Thanks. he's like, you know, I

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think he's playing I guess a 16 year old and he's

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like in his 20s. I mean. So.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, they all are.

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>> Will: Yeah, they all are at this point. And except for,

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except for I guess even Millie's now what, 21. So.

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>> Sarah : Oh yeah, yeah.

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>> Will: So

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>> Sarah : Yeah, kid and got married in between seasons.

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>> Will: So yeah, so it definitely as an. It definitely

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like those kind of atmospherics did take me out a

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little bit. I have to be completely honest. You

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know, just seeing. And speaking of the ringer

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verse, I was I was watching the Midnight Boys they

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were today and they were having their Well they,

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they just had a little, you know, little shoot

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the. About Stranger things at the beginning of

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the. Of the show before they got to their main

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topic and, and they were just talking about like

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the The. The. The. The. The. The factor. The age

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factor there. And you know how you. How it is as

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an older viewer seeing older actors play younger

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versus if you were like a teenager watching this

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show and how if you're like, you know, if you're

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13 or whatever it is the fact that these are.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: Older people playing younger charact. Younger

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characters. Yeah, yeah. Versus like, versus. Well

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you're, you know, you're about the same age as

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some of the actors and. And for me, I mean hell I

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could be their, their dad. So. it's like. Yeah, it

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definitely like hits.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. I You're not the only one. My brother who's

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obsessed with this show also made a comment. He

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didn't tell me anything else, but he basically

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alluded to that. and, and I think why it wasn't a

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problem for me was because I had heard Ernie like

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bid and forewarned and I'm also lately I've been

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watching all These K dramas. And if you think

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we're ridiculous in terms of casting. No, no, no.

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It ain't got nothing on K drama. It's to the point

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where I'm just like, seriously?

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : You. You couldn't have recasted like a different.

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A younger actor to do the flashbacks? M. I don't.

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I don't understand because there's no way.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know they. I know they did do

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some de. Aging, with With no Noah for as far as

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playing Will with. With the opening scenes and in

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episode one. But the other. I guess the last

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overall point is just

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>> Will: Just a little cool. Cool note. And I'll, you know,

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probably just be dropping these little, nuggets

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throughout our discussion tonight and next week

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when we discuss episodes three and four, which is,

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So the Duffer Brothers, are for my. Where I live

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here in Durham, North Carolina. And So the

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teacher, Ms. Harris, is. Is my. My old neighbor

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and I still see her around town and. And she used

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to. She taught drama at the At the high school

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where both my kids. Well one son. My son is still

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there. My daughter's graduated from there, Jordan

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High School here in town. Just literally like

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right up to like five minutes up the road from my

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house. And. And Hope, Hines Love is the teacher

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actress who plays Mrs. Harris. And she still. She

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still teaches drama here. Here. Here in Here in

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the Triangle. And I still see her. Still see her

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around town and In the grocery store and stuff.

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But yeah, she. She was. She was my neighbor for.

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For years. She and her husband. Great Just awesome

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people. So it was pretty cool when you know, when

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I saw. Saw the. Saw her on the. In episode. In the

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episode. And And then also of course obviously

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it's just been like been blowing up on like social

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media around here and people noticing that. And of

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course it's all the. All the name drops and stuff

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of places here here in the area. you know, one.

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One of the. One of the things that was very

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relevant was the. The radio station where squawk

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in the in the first episode. it's actually so for

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folks who are watching this on YouTube, or

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listening to. You can see it. But our audio

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listeners. I have a. Put up a photo of the radio

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station in the. In the show, with the van out

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front. It's based off a. A tower here in the

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Triangle, over in a town called Cary. And it was

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old Radio station wptf. The radio station's not in

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there anymore, but the, the tower is still an

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active radio. Ah, tower. so it's just, you know, I

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just really enjoy seeing all those like, name

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drops of roads. And you, like restaurants. They

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like, mentioned Enzo and you know, restaurants.

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Like, Like Enzo. Even though I don't think it was

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a rest. Maybe it was a restaurant. Episode one. I

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made like a note last week, and then like, you

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know, this. All the corn. Wallace. I'm sure you

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probably, you know, people mentioned that. And

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it's like one of the big roads here in town. So

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it's always just very cool when I watch this show,

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just having that, that connection. And you know,

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they. They put hope in the. In this, you know, and

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they always talk about her. they've mentioned her

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in interviews in seasons past. but they actually

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had her in a show this time, which is really cool.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, that is really cool.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : where do you want to go from there?

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>> Will: Yeah, I mean, well, we could just. Just really get

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into the story itself. I mean, I know we. We

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talked a little, you know, we've touched on, just

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sort of, you know, how. I guess, I know in the pre

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show we talked about how episode one really just

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sort of reoriented us back to, how things in

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Hawkins. And I guess it's, you know, since I was

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already talking about the radio station, I thought

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though, the way that they used Steve, and Robin to

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sort of do the exposition dump and helping us sort

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of reorient, how, you know, get us all caught up

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on things. Because it's been a minute and, And I

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always just really enjoyed this pairing of, with

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Steve and Robin because I just think they're just

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always just fun. A fun element in the show.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, they are one of the better pairings

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alongside, the Dustin Steve pairing, which we only

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get in the second episode because really in the

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first episode, Dustin is kind of still, grieving,

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his loss in the previous season and he. Nobody

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else seems to really be on the same page, with him

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about it. And he ends up getting his ass kicked by

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a bun. Brutally, brutally kicked, in the graveyard

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of all places. And so there's an absence in,

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during the crawl, which is the start of things

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just going sideways because they decide to still

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do it. And next thing you know, it's Jonathan and

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Steve in the car, which. Which again led to, I

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think, really just overall, anyone paired with

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Steve. Yeah, Steve is a standout character. He's

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very likable. He provides the humor, and he has

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relatively good chemistry with just about anyone

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on the cast. So so far, he's kind of the All Star

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star. And, I thought it was also interesting how.

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Like Steve and Dustin to just stick with them, for

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a moment. They have definitely had their ups and

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downs over the seasons, more so on the ups. But

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you see here, there's really a. A distance, and

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Steve just doesn't, Even though he's older, just

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does not know how to navigate this because his.

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His pseudo younger brother is in serious pain and

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doesn't know how to work his way through the grief

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and needs help, but is not leaning on anyone. And

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Steve is too worried about being told, like, he's

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like, no, no, no. You are supposed to be helping

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me figure out this adult adulthood, because

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Steve's already graduated, so. So he. But he still

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needs to be told what to do, where to be. And. And

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Dustin is just like, I can't. I can't be that for

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you because I am weak right now. So I think. I

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think they did that well. a lot of those scenes

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stood out to me. But on the flip side, I'm all.

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I'm all about Max. So after season four,

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specifically half of season four, I. I'm really

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just all in on Max. So I was so glad we got those

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scenes with Lucas. And. And I think Lucas also is

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another character who, alongside Max specifically

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in the fourth season, really stepped up their game

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and became a pivotal. A pivotal character in the

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story who's not annoying. Because there are other

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very pivotal characters who I could care less

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about and haven't cared anything about since

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season one.

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>> Will: Yeah. Could, it be, Does her name start with an N?

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. The. Yeah. I mean, the whole thing

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with, like, you know, going back to Steve and. And

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Jonathan. You know. The one place where I did kind

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of like, I was like, Tired, of this was the. That

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competition between Steve and Jonathan over Nancy.

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>> Sarah : Oh, yeah. I mean, I like Nancy, and I do think she

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has good chemistry. And I agree the competition in

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season one was stupid, and I'm glad Robin called

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them, called her out on it. But I did appreciate

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them calling each other out in the car scene in

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the second episode.

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>> Will: I. I did, too. I did, too. That was. That was

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definitely a good, moment, there in the second

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episode where they did. They did have that. That

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call out and. And. And, you know, especially,

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like, you know, the. The selfishness and that.

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That was one of the things that did stand out to

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me in the second episode, when they, they. They

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call, you know, pointing out dude, really. And,

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and then of course when Dustin did show up, I, I

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agree with you. I mean it's just, I think it was,

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you know, he, I'm, I'm glad that they just didn't

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gloss over Eddie's death, you know, because it

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could have easily had just been like oh, you know,

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because it could have happened and we just move on

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and just, we, we don't, we don't continue it. But

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you know, thinking about how, how Dustin, you

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know, really just poked the bear, wearing the

481
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Hellfire Club shirt to, to the school and, and you

482
00:26:59,550 --> 00:27:01,230
know, just make it like basically like being a

483
00:27:01,230 --> 00:27:04,710
beacon and, and the other other boys were, you

484
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:07,470
know, they, I think they were all they, they also

485
00:27:07,470 --> 00:27:10,990
had or dealing with it, but they were also like,

486
00:27:11,300 --> 00:27:13,100
you know, let's not poke the bear because you

487
00:27:13,100 --> 00:27:16,050
know, we, you know, we, we don't have you know, we

488
00:27:16,050 --> 00:27:18,090
don't want, we don't want to upset the apple cart

489
00:27:18,090 --> 00:27:20,330
so to speak. But you know, I did like how Lucas

490
00:27:20,330 --> 00:27:23,900
like, you know, came up there and defended his boy

491
00:27:24,379 --> 00:27:27,140
and then, and I love how Dustin got the, got the

492
00:27:27,140 --> 00:27:28,940
jocks back and like, you know, by putting the

493
00:27:28,940 --> 00:27:32,140
snake in the locker. I mean because that's what

494
00:27:32,140 --> 00:27:34,380
you got to do is got to stand up to bully. But you

495
00:27:34,380 --> 00:27:37,100
know, but it's very, you know, it is one of those

496
00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:40,340
things, you know, it does. Those are like the good

497
00:27:40,340 --> 00:27:44,300
story think things that remind you that okay,

498
00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:46,500
yeah, these, even though we, you know, we're

499
00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:48,900
talking about how, you know, we got, you know, 80

500
00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:52,610
year olds playing kids, but. But it does like

501
00:27:53,490 --> 00:27:56,090
helps you recontextual, helps remind you that yes,

502
00:27:56,090 --> 00:27:58,410
these are high school students and these are

503
00:27:58,410 --> 00:28:00,770
teenagers who are dealing with a lot of different

504
00:28:00,770 --> 00:28:04,620
issues like bullying and, and you know, and you

505
00:28:04,620 --> 00:28:07,580
know. Yeah. You know you do have the, the sort of

506
00:28:07,580 --> 00:28:10,020
triangle with Nancy and Steve and Jonathan as far

507
00:28:10,020 --> 00:28:13,100
as like affections. But it's just like those are

508
00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:15,340
the elements I think that make this show work so

509
00:28:15,340 --> 00:28:17,860
well because we've all been through it on top of

510
00:28:17,860 --> 00:28:18,660
the nostalgia.

511
00:28:19,140 --> 00:28:25,030
>> Sarah : Yeah. So I think that the to go back to Dustin and

512
00:28:25,030 --> 00:28:26,990
the boys and how they're dealing with Eddie's

513
00:28:26,990 --> 00:28:31,110
death differently. it's almost as though the other

514
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:36,270
boys are still frozen with what happened in season

515
00:28:36,270 --> 00:28:42,570
1M. because or, or this idea that it's not over.

516
00:28:42,650 --> 00:28:47,370
Yes, we lost Eddie, but he was a casualty and this

517
00:28:47,370 --> 00:28:49,610
war. We're still Fighting in it. So you need to

518
00:28:49,610 --> 00:28:52,210
get your head in the game. Like, we can't stop and

519
00:28:52,210 --> 00:28:57,170
grieve. They're on. They're on. Fight. and I'm not

520
00:28:57,170 --> 00:28:59,770
saying Dustin doesn't want to, but he's definitely

521
00:28:59,770 --> 00:29:06,330
like, yeah, but I. We there. There's this other

522
00:29:06,330 --> 00:29:09,930
thing happening here, guys, in the real world, so

523
00:29:09,930 --> 00:29:14,970
to speak, that I think to give honor to Eddie's

524
00:29:14,970 --> 00:29:18,820
memory is also the right thing to do. so I, it's

525
00:29:18,820 --> 00:29:23,090
just, it's. It's good to see how they've managed

526
00:29:23,090 --> 00:29:26,570
to. This core group of friends that we've seen

527
00:29:26,650 --> 00:29:30,010
since season one have these very different

528
00:29:30,170 --> 00:29:36,410
reactions to the event because also. Very subtly

529
00:29:36,570 --> 00:29:40,730
with Lucas there, there's this. Yeah, he wants to

530
00:29:40,730 --> 00:29:43,450
defeat Vecna, but he wants to also figure out a

531
00:29:43,450 --> 00:29:47,460
way to get Max back. Like, that's the other thing

532
00:29:47,540 --> 00:29:53,210
looming over his head that I don't think, the Will

533
00:29:53,210 --> 00:29:57,330
or Mike really care about. But to go back to

534
00:29:57,330 --> 00:30:00,369
Nancy, which you also brought up. Who. You also

535
00:30:00,369 --> 00:30:04,090
brought up that scene in the hospital because in

536
00:30:04,090 --> 00:30:07,370
the first episode they do the crawl, but more

537
00:30:07,370 --> 00:30:13,030
importantly, Will hijacks the Demogorgon and

538
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:16,670
essentially kind of leads him to the Wheeler's

539
00:30:16,670 --> 00:30:20,080
house, which then, And then basically between the

540
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,480
two episodes, it's the Demogorgon attack on the

541
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:28,000
Wheeler house, which we will talk about that in

542
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,120
just a second because I want to finish this point.

543
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:35,440
But that hospital scene post attack where Nancy's

544
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,710
blaming herself and saying this is all our fault,

545
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:42,870
I was like, you know, we're the. I'm so glad

546
00:30:43,030 --> 00:30:45,670
they're starting with these moments of where these

547
00:30:45,670 --> 00:30:48,950
characters are saying the things out loud that as

548
00:30:49,030 --> 00:30:54,310
us, as viewers have been also wanting, being like,

549
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:58,190
like, yeah, can you please rewind the tapes? When

550
00:30:58,190 --> 00:31:00,950
we were going through what the. Everything that

551
00:31:00,950 --> 00:31:05,050
happened in the season finale of season four, why

552
00:31:05,050 --> 00:31:07,120
y' all didn't move. Like, can you please explain

553
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,520
that to me again? I know one plus, I know you

554
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:16,280
took. Did this stint in California, but why. Why

555
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,280
Hawkins? Why. Why are you still hanging out here?

556
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,910
Like, like didn't. Didn't get the notice that this

557
00:31:22,910 --> 00:31:28,030
is a no go anymore. So I, I thought that was such

558
00:31:28,030 --> 00:31:32,490
a good moment of calling a spade a spade. Like,

559
00:31:32,570 --> 00:31:36,690
you guys are idiots. And also those parents could

560
00:31:36,690 --> 00:31:41,930
only go so long with so long before, but they.

561
00:31:41,930 --> 00:31:46,050
They were used in such a good way because that

562
00:31:46,050 --> 00:31:50,570
whole sequence from the end of the first episode

563
00:31:50,570 --> 00:31:54,890
to the start of the second, I. I could not believe

564
00:31:54,970 --> 00:31:59,520
how far they went. Because this really is a show

565
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,760
designed for Kids and the. The moment, especially

566
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,980
when you see the, the Wheeler moms. I'm blanking

567
00:32:07,980 --> 00:32:10,260
on her name. Donna. Is it Donna?

568
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,610
>> Will: I can't remember Mrs. Wheeler's first name, but.

569
00:32:12,850 --> 00:32:17,330
>> Sarah : Yeah, but when. When the Demogorgon like, slashes

570
00:32:17,330 --> 00:32:20,690
her neck, I was. Oh, that was brutal.

571
00:32:20,770 --> 00:32:21,170
>> Will: Yeah.

572
00:32:21,170 --> 00:32:25,490
>> Sarah : Oh, it was just. Yeah, it was such a good, horror

573
00:32:25,570 --> 00:32:29,330
element that I think has been almost lacking in

574
00:32:29,330 --> 00:32:31,490
especially the later seasons of the show.

575
00:32:31,890 --> 00:32:34,290
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just going back to like, you

576
00:32:34,290 --> 00:32:36,610
know, when Holly was. When the Demogorgon in the

577
00:32:36,610 --> 00:32:39,130
episode one and to my point about how this show is

578
00:32:39,130 --> 00:32:43,110
like, gives you that. That dopamine hit where, And

579
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:47,080
that. That. That adrenaline hit, with. With the.

580
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,320
With the endings and, you know, and the, you know,

581
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,560
with, you know, when the light started flickering

582
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,600
and just, you know, again, pulling all those

583
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,080
things back to this. To the first season. I know

584
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,440
we haven't talked about Will yet and. And I know

585
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,920
we will. But, Yeah, I mean that. I agree with you

586
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,570
that the, the horror of it, of it all, definitely

587
00:33:08,570 --> 00:33:12,080
was apparent there, when the, when the Demogorgon,

588
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,280
like, broken through the house and, And. And then

589
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,800
of course, like you said with. With the, with the.

590
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,390
With the attack and Mama Wheeler and even. Even

591
00:33:21,390 --> 00:33:24,110
Dad, I mean, to his credit, I mean, you know, he,

592
00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:26,990
you know, he's usually like, you know, he's off.

593
00:33:26,990 --> 00:33:29,350
He's off there hitting golf balls and stuff. You

594
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:31,950
know, Mom's getting. Doing her bubble bath ready

595
00:33:31,950 --> 00:33:34,670
and. And just the whole juxtaposition of abba.

596
00:33:37,470 --> 00:33:41,190
>> Sarah : They. They. They had a fight and. And you're

597
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:44,950
seeing them mainly fight over something that does

598
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:47,630
happen and like, it's almost was a fight about

599
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,080
who's the better parent and, you know, what's. Or.

600
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,140
Or what's wrong with our child is your fault. No,

601
00:33:54,140 --> 00:33:55,180
it's your fault. And.

602
00:33:55,340 --> 00:33:55,860
>> Will: Yeah.

603
00:33:55,860 --> 00:33:58,700
>> Sarah : And which. The kid, of course, over here, and the

604
00:33:58,700 --> 00:34:03,500
kid, me and Holly, who. Who became such a big part

605
00:34:03,659 --> 00:34:05,900
of specifically these two episodes.

606
00:34:05,980 --> 00:34:06,460
>> Will: Yeah.

607
00:34:07,530 --> 00:34:10,410
>> Sarah : which I was like, for a moment like, oh, yeah,

608
00:34:10,410 --> 00:34:13,010
they do have a younger sister. Yeah.

609
00:34:13,090 --> 00:34:15,570
>> Will: Yeah, they did a recast for a reason.

610
00:34:15,810 --> 00:34:20,220
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. They very much need, to be present and

611
00:34:20,220 --> 00:34:22,860
existing and to have these moments with her

612
00:34:22,860 --> 00:34:30,090
siblings before she. She vanishes. But. Yeah, so

613
00:34:30,090 --> 00:34:32,610
it. It was. It was just also very well

614
00:34:32,610 --> 00:34:36,090
choreographed. Yeah, the whole sequence, it wasn't

615
00:34:36,090 --> 00:34:40,650
overplayed. You knew where people were and where,

616
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,480
the Demogorgon was. So it wasn't a lot of noise,

617
00:34:44,970 --> 00:34:48,300
which sometimes action sequences can be. and it

618
00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:51,570
all made Logical sense. now I say that without

619
00:34:51,650 --> 00:34:54,850
really knowing exactly why Holly was taken,

620
00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:58,530
especially since Will was in control of the

621
00:34:58,530 --> 00:35:03,850
Demogorgon, but as Lucas points out also at the

622
00:35:03,850 --> 00:35:08,370
hospital and reminds everyone is like, we're only

623
00:35:08,370 --> 00:35:11,840
a few days shy of the anniversary of first season.

624
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,360
The inciting incident, which it was. There was a

625
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,040
flashback at the start of this season in the first

626
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,150
episode. It opens with a flashback of Will, in the

627
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:28,230
Upside down and being injected and basically being

628
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:31,230
a spy, which we kind of already suspected, but

629
00:35:31,230 --> 00:35:37,230
whatever. but, but yeah, what are some of your

630
00:35:37,230 --> 00:35:39,670
thoughts about Will in these two episodes?

631
00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:43,620
>> Will: Yeah, so this. There was quite a bit about Will.

632
00:35:43,860 --> 00:35:47,420
So they, of course they did start off with the

633
00:35:47,420 --> 00:35:51,900
flashback. And, and this again reminded us of how,

634
00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:55,070
how we, how we all got there, with, with. And, And

635
00:35:55,070 --> 00:35:57,150
I have to say the D. Agent really, really worked,

636
00:35:58,100 --> 00:36:01,470
with. With Will, whenever he was in the Upside

637
00:36:01,470 --> 00:36:04,910
down after, after getting taken. And you know, and

638
00:36:04,910 --> 00:36:09,900
then of course, we, we do see how, how all this

639
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:14,140
time, you know, it recontextualize, like, why Will

640
00:36:14,140 --> 00:36:16,740
was taken. Whenever we see that vecna, like

641
00:36:16,740 --> 00:36:20,340
injection with the, with the Demogorgon, you know,

642
00:36:20,340 --> 00:36:23,660
stuff I don't. You know, and, and, and, and we

643
00:36:23,660 --> 00:36:26,100
learned that he actually, you know, and of course,

644
00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:27,740
you know, they've been like, teasing it all

645
00:36:27,740 --> 00:36:31,570
throughout the seasons of, you know, was. Was he

646
00:36:31,570 --> 00:36:34,980
really severed, from. From the Upside Down? And,

647
00:36:34,980 --> 00:36:37,300
and, and clearly, clearly he was not, because, you

648
00:36:37,300 --> 00:36:40,150
know, fast forward to, to this season now. You

649
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:42,790
know, with that first situation, like you said, as

650
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:44,470
you referenced before, you know, we.

651
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:44,710
>> Sarah : He.

652
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:47,750
>> Will: He was seeing things, especially when Hopper was,

653
00:36:47,870 --> 00:36:50,430
in the Upside down, you know, seeing the things.

654
00:36:50,590 --> 00:36:52,820
Things through the eyes of the Demogorgon. But

655
00:36:52,820 --> 00:36:55,660
then in the second episode, it seemed like he was

656
00:36:55,900 --> 00:36:58,620
seeing things from. From other perspectives.

657
00:36:58,780 --> 00:36:59,860
>> Sarah : Holly's perspective.

658
00:36:59,860 --> 00:37:02,340
>> Will: From Holly's perspective. So, and, and, and, and,

659
00:37:02,340 --> 00:37:03,100
and so.

660
00:37:03,500 --> 00:37:06,540
>> Sarah : Yeah, so no, that was still the first episode

661
00:37:06,540 --> 00:37:09,260
because Holly disappeared at the start of this. Of

662
00:37:09,260 --> 00:37:09,620
the second.

663
00:37:09,620 --> 00:37:10,340
>> Will: Yeah, he did. Yeah.

664
00:37:10,340 --> 00:37:11,420
>> Sarah : Can I just say.

665
00:37:11,820 --> 00:37:12,300
>> Will: Yeah.

666
00:37:12,940 --> 00:37:17,500
>> Sarah : That to me, it wasn't. It was also very

667
00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:20,140
intentional that the Demogorgore again took out

668
00:37:20,140 --> 00:37:24,570
all. All of the soldiers and Hopper survived.

669
00:37:24,890 --> 00:37:28,730
Yeah, Hopper even wasn't looked at, which tells me

670
00:37:28,730 --> 00:37:32,250
as a viewer, he was more than just observing,

671
00:37:33,130 --> 00:37:36,250
like, observing through the lens of the

672
00:37:36,250 --> 00:37:38,570
Demogorgon. He, he was fully in control.

673
00:37:38,570 --> 00:37:40,930
>> Will: He was fully in control. I took it as him as in

674
00:37:40,930 --> 00:37:42,860
control. And he was actually helping, you know, he

675
00:37:42,860 --> 00:37:43,780
was helping Hopper.

676
00:37:43,940 --> 00:37:47,530
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, exactly. But. And then on the flip

677
00:37:47,530 --> 00:37:50,090
side, it's like, okay, so you help Popper, and

678
00:37:50,090 --> 00:37:52,330
then you go to the Wheeler house. Why. And then

679
00:37:52,330 --> 00:37:56,290
why does that lead Holly to be taken? But I also

680
00:37:56,290 --> 00:38:00,570
don't think that the opening of the show shows us

681
00:38:00,570 --> 00:38:03,570
the reason why Will was taken. I think it shows us

682
00:38:03,570 --> 00:38:05,570
the reason why Will was returned.

683
00:38:05,890 --> 00:38:08,410
>> Will: Right. Yeah. Vecna was definitely. Yeah, I agree

684
00:38:08,410 --> 00:38:11,490
with you. Yeah, it's totally Vecna and thinking,

685
00:38:11,490 --> 00:38:15,940
you know, and thinking back to. You know, the. All

686
00:38:15,940 --> 00:38:18,940
the. All the other kids that, you know, that were

687
00:38:18,940 --> 00:38:22,140
in the. In the laboratory and. And the fact that

688
00:38:22,140 --> 00:38:24,340
he's like, you know, recruiting Holly, you know,

689
00:38:24,340 --> 00:38:25,780
because, you know, we. Whenever. You know, that

690
00:38:25,780 --> 00:38:27,460
was part of the whole thing about the fight that

691
00:38:27,460 --> 00:38:29,180
she brought up earlier with the parents was,

692
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:33,390
>> Sarah : Mr. What's it exactly.

693
00:38:33,390 --> 00:38:38,400
>> Will: Exactly. And. And I did like, How, you know,

694
00:38:38,740 --> 00:38:41,540
again, how did these pairings work? Because when

695
00:38:41,540 --> 00:38:43,580
Mike and Nance were in the hospital with, you

696
00:38:43,580 --> 00:38:46,700
know, trying to. As their. You know, their parents

697
00:38:46,700 --> 00:38:49,970
were recuperating from the. From the attack, I

698
00:38:49,970 --> 00:38:53,050
loved how they had the. You know, him putting.

699
00:38:53,050 --> 00:38:55,290
Looking at the book and. And putting the pieces

700
00:38:55,290 --> 00:38:57,050
together, because, I mean, again, this is. That's

701
00:38:57,050 --> 00:38:58,770
another thing that the show does really well. It's

702
00:38:58,770 --> 00:39:00,490
just like, it lays out all these breadcrumbs and

703
00:39:00,490 --> 00:39:03,170
they pull every. They start. They start pulling

704
00:39:03,170 --> 00:39:07,190
things together and then. And then. Leading to

705
00:39:07,830 --> 00:39:11,110
Holly's and the teacher seeing the guy in the

706
00:39:11,110 --> 00:39:11,990
park. And,

707
00:39:12,530 --> 00:39:16,400
>> Sarah : And I. I didn't like that as much because I

708
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,560
thought it was so predictable. I was just like. I

709
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,520
was like, you guys, come on, one. One plus one.

710
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:27,640
Let's go. Jump in a chop. Move along. But I, like,

711
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,630
that was just me. there was something else that

712
00:39:31,630 --> 00:39:34,260
you said that I wanted to touch on, but, But,

713
00:39:34,260 --> 00:39:35,180
yeah, continue.

714
00:39:35,580 --> 00:39:37,900
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, but I mean, I think. Yeah, but I

715
00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:41,340
think, you know, so it gets to. Again, I guess,

716
00:39:41,340 --> 00:39:43,500
with the. With the flashback and just again,

717
00:39:43,740 --> 00:39:47,180
reminded us how we got here. But also. But also,

718
00:39:47,340 --> 00:39:51,380
like, seeing how, you know, basically with. With

719
00:39:51,380 --> 00:39:55,460
the infusion of the Demogorgon into. Into Will to

720
00:39:55,460 --> 00:39:59,610
become the Vecna's, like, vessel on the. On. On

721
00:39:59,610 --> 00:40:04,810
the other. On the upside. Yeah, you know, it just.

722
00:40:04,810 --> 00:40:08,090
I. I just thought. I think it was. It was laying

723
00:40:08,090 --> 00:40:12,710
the foundation for, For. So. For, you know, for

724
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:15,880
the rest of the season. And. And also, the other.

725
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,080
The other thing, too, that I. That I really liked

726
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,290
about Will, in the first episode, you know, we saw

727
00:40:20,290 --> 00:40:23,080
Will, you know, when he was at the hospital, with.

728
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,470
With Lucas when they were visiting Max yeah, came

729
00:40:25,470 --> 00:40:30,670
across Robin and. And, you know, saw Robin with. I

730
00:40:30,670 --> 00:40:32,710
think her name's Vicki. Her girlfriend. Her

731
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:36,120
girlfriend. Yeah. And, and I know they had. I

732
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,650
know, Will, the actor who played Will, definitely

733
00:40:38,650 --> 00:40:41,450
noted that Will sexuality is definitely going to

734
00:40:41,450 --> 00:40:44,450
play a part in the story. But, you know, I did,

735
00:40:45,230 --> 00:40:49,540
you know, bring that scene up, as far as, when.

736
00:40:49,540 --> 00:40:53,020
When Will inadvertently saw them kissing. you

737
00:40:53,020 --> 00:40:55,540
know, and then, of course, when it. Will and Robin

738
00:40:55,540 --> 00:40:59,110
are, walking, trying to piece together the puzzle.

739
00:40:59,060 --> 00:41:02,170
I, I, you know, the awkward conversation that they

740
00:41:02,170 --> 00:41:06,810
were having there. And. And, you know, again, it

741
00:41:06,810 --> 00:41:08,970
really reminds us, like, okay, yeah, you know, in

742
00:41:08,970 --> 00:41:11,730
the, you know, here we are, 20, 25. This is, you

743
00:41:11,730 --> 00:41:13,890
know, it's more. More accepted. But then, you

744
00:41:13,890 --> 00:41:16,410
know, it reminds us again that these kids are in

745
00:41:16,410 --> 00:41:20,340
the 80s where this, was not something that you

746
00:41:20,340 --> 00:41:23,940
would, you know, Robin's reaction was like, one

747
00:41:23,940 --> 00:41:27,460
that you would. Would anticipate where it's just

748
00:41:27,460 --> 00:41:30,180
like, you know, don't tell me, you know, you know,

749
00:41:30,180 --> 00:41:32,740
trying to figure out, you know, but she was. She

750
00:41:32,740 --> 00:41:36,620
sure she saw him, that that was him, and. And

751
00:41:36,620 --> 00:41:38,140
tried to like, look, look, don't mess up my

752
00:41:38,140 --> 00:41:39,740
secret. But then, well, you know, on the flip

753
00:41:39,740 --> 00:41:44,620
side, Will was also, like, being very. And he's in

754
00:41:44,620 --> 00:41:45,500
the closet as well.

755
00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:50,020
>> Sarah : And I think that, like, the best thing that they

756
00:41:50,020 --> 00:41:54,460
did this season for Will was they made him likable

757
00:41:54,460 --> 00:41:58,300
because they paired him with Robin. Yeah, the

758
00:41:58,300 --> 00:42:02,420
Robin is such. Is another, like a. Steve is a

759
00:42:02,420 --> 00:42:07,710
really good character, and, and she has just great

760
00:42:07,710 --> 00:42:12,150
chemistry. So you. You pair a likable character

761
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:17,150
like her with someone who arguably has been paired

762
00:42:17,150 --> 00:42:20,700
with Mike and just, like, just chained. It's just

763
00:42:20,700 --> 00:42:25,580
so sad to watch. Or his mom, like. Like, I love

764
00:42:25,580 --> 00:42:29,220
Winona Ryder, but come on. The kid. The kid. Let's

765
00:42:29,220 --> 00:42:32,630
go. Hopper's right. We. If. If you want to put my

766
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:34,470
kid on the line, why aren't you putting your kid

767
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:36,580
on the line? I mean, it's clear. Clear as they get

768
00:42:36,580 --> 00:42:39,900
the kid off the bench. And so. And so by doing

769
00:42:39,900 --> 00:42:44,820
that, they also allowed him to become more. More

770
00:42:44,820 --> 00:42:48,040
of an aggressor and, not on the bench. And us

771
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,600
just, like, pitying him because he was taken three

772
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:52,160
years ago.

773
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:54,600
>> Will: Three years ago. Yeah, exactly. Get it over it

774
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,360
already. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

775
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:01,160
>> Sarah : Max is still unconscious in the hospital. Okay.

776
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,720
Eddie is dead. There have been other very

777
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:06,600
traumatic things that have happened, but Will has

778
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:07,680
a cut. So.

779
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:08,360
>> Will: Yeah.

780
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,670
>> Sarah : So I. I think that what you're getting at, is also

781
00:43:13,110 --> 00:43:16,030
he. He's becoming more of a character because

782
00:43:16,030 --> 00:43:18,790
we're seeing him do things, interact with other

783
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:23,750
people other than Mike specifically. And. And that

784
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:30,290
really helps him. which. Mike and Elle, I still

785
00:43:30,450 --> 00:43:34,220
get. Just get annoyed by them because especially

786
00:43:34,540 --> 00:43:41,820
11. I. Because she's not being integrated as much,

787
00:43:42,220 --> 00:43:48,060
as a. As Will has or. Or Dustin or even Lucas to.

788
00:43:48,220 --> 00:43:50,140
Like, this is an ensemble show.

789
00:43:50,380 --> 00:43:50,900
>> Will: Yeah.

790
00:43:50,900 --> 00:43:55,260
>> Sarah : Season one might have been the 11 show, but that.

791
00:43:55,340 --> 00:44:00,330
That ship has long sailed. And it really shows

792
00:44:00,330 --> 00:44:03,810
because, like, the. Those two in particular, they

793
00:44:03,810 --> 00:44:06,930
still, like, the weakest part. Now, granted, with

794
00:44:06,930 --> 00:44:10,330
11 comes Hopper. So I'm like, okay, I love me some

795
00:44:10,330 --> 00:44:15,810
David harbor again, Red Guardian for life. But

796
00:44:15,890 --> 00:44:19,610
it's still. I'm just like, well, yeah, he's David

797
00:44:19,610 --> 00:44:21,730
harbor, but you're not Florence Pugh. So I don't

798
00:44:21,730 --> 00:44:21,970
know.

799
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,590
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I agree with you that, Because, yeah,

800
00:44:27,590 --> 00:44:30,830
they. Yeah. I mean, in the first episode, you

801
00:44:30,830 --> 00:44:32,470
know, we see her going through the whole training

802
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:35,470
thing, and of course, you know, we know Hawkins is

803
00:44:36,590 --> 00:44:39,270
occupied town now because of the Upside down, the

804
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:41,670
military doing the. You know, I think we learned

805
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:43,470
that, you know, they do the burn so they can,

806
00:44:43,470 --> 00:44:48,040
like, access the Upside down, and all that. And.

807
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:53,120
And, you know, and so. But we. We. We see that the

808
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,840
whole. The whole training regimen that she. That

809
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:00,080
seventh. That 11 is going through. And. And. And I

810
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,400
don't know. You're right. I mean, at this. At this

811
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,240
point, it really is an ensemble show. And. And I

812
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:09,590
guess, you know, to that point, I mean, I guess,

813
00:45:09,590 --> 00:45:12,070
you know, we did. But she was still people. Again,

814
00:45:12,070 --> 00:45:13,950
paired with a Wheeler. I mean, it was Nancy. I

815
00:45:13,950 --> 00:45:14,470
mean, so,

816
00:45:15,820 --> 00:45:19,420
>> Sarah : Well, I. Again, because I like Nancy, and I like

817
00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:23,380
the strength that Nancy has developed over the

818
00:45:23,380 --> 00:45:26,980
years, like that one scene. But then immediately

819
00:45:26,980 --> 00:45:29,500
she's sent to the Upside Down. There's something

820
00:45:29,659 --> 00:45:33,980
very isolating about 11. Yeah. And. And that

821
00:45:33,980 --> 00:45:36,910
really stuck out, specifically in, like, season

822
00:45:36,910 --> 00:45:40,250
three, in season four, when it felt like we were.

823
00:45:40,250 --> 00:45:43,490
When we go to an 11 scene or a mic scene, it was a

824
00:45:43,490 --> 00:45:44,170
different show.

825
00:45:44,490 --> 00:45:44,930
>> Will: Yeah.

826
00:45:44,930 --> 00:45:48,410
>> Sarah : Yeah, because you're suddenly taking a character

827
00:45:49,450 --> 00:45:52,410
like this show. Yes, I said ensemble, but it's

828
00:45:52,410 --> 00:45:55,800
also like, it's a Scooby. it's a Scooby Gang show

829
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,040
where we had these. This group of boys. One of

830
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,800
them is taken, and then they stumble upon this big

831
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,000
revel revelation about their town and the Upside

832
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,160
down and this connection, and they meet this girl.

833
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,200
Well, then suddenly, like seasons later, this girl

834
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,560
is telling us this whole story that's wrapped up

835
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:23,560
in our big bad. But it's not really if it feels

836
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,440
like two different stories. And that's what is so

837
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:27,600
frustrating for me.

838
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,480
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I. I would agree. I would agree.

839
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,170
But, Yeah, but, you know, but two. But two. But

840
00:46:33,730 --> 00:46:36,730
whenever. To that point earlier that you're

841
00:46:36,730 --> 00:46:40,530
talking about David harbor and, And. And. And the

842
00:46:41,730 --> 00:46:43,890
chemistry, I m. Know there was like, precise.

843
00:46:43,970 --> 00:46:46,050
Before the season, there was like, some rumors

844
00:46:46,050 --> 00:46:48,930
about, you know, Millie filing a complaint. And.

845
00:46:49,090 --> 00:46:50,850
And I don't want to get in all that because, I

846
00:46:50,850 --> 00:46:53,330
mean, it seems that it was. It was just, you know,

847
00:46:53,330 --> 00:46:56,520
tabloid. I mean, something happened. And. And the.

848
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,560
In the Duffers and Sean Levy did, like, note that,

849
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,210
you know, you know, they did the. The statement,

850
00:47:02,290 --> 00:47:05,650
like, we want to have us, you know, a supportive

851
00:47:05,650 --> 00:47:07,690
set and, you know, we treat everybody respect,

852
00:47:07,690 --> 00:47:11,720
blah, blah, you know, paraphrasing. But, But what?

853
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,119
You know, they did have the red carpet debut, and

854
00:47:16,119 --> 00:47:17,720
it seems like everything's fine and they're saying

855
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:19,920
all the right things. So. I don't know. You know,

856
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,560
I. I didn't want to. I just wanted to bring that

857
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,420
up, just because. What. Just to be complete. I

858
00:47:26,420 --> 00:47:27,820
mean, we can't. I don't want it. Didn't want to

859
00:47:27,820 --> 00:47:32,560
ignore it. But I will say it seems, you know, if.

860
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,360
If it's the dynamics that were happening there,

861
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,800
it's just the normal dynamics that happen between

862
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:44,279
a parent and child. it. Maybe it was that, you

863
00:47:44,279 --> 00:47:46,160
know, it definitely was not anything, you know,

864
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,040
inappropriate, you know, relationship touching or

865
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,030
that kind of thing. but, their own stream on

866
00:47:52,030 --> 00:47:57,310
screen chemistry is really just. Really just pops

867
00:47:57,310 --> 00:48:01,350
every time as far as pairings. So I say, you know,

868
00:48:01,350 --> 00:48:06,949
I know you. You're right that whenever eleven and

869
00:48:06,949 --> 00:48:08,830
Mike in particular, you know, it does feel like a

870
00:48:08,830 --> 00:48:12,520
different show sometimes. the, you know, the. The.

871
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,640
The relationship that hopper and. And 11 has, and

872
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,150
especially like, when they were in. In the second

873
00:48:19,150 --> 00:48:21,310
episode, I m. Mean, I felt like it was like I was

874
00:48:21,310 --> 00:48:24,310
watching the. The 1980s Teenage Afternoon

875
00:48:24,310 --> 00:48:26,950
Melodrama whenever, you know, Hopper was talking

876
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:30,180
about, his actually, you know, his daughter who,

877
00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:33,300
you know, having the flashbacks and. And the loss.

878
00:48:33,460 --> 00:48:35,740
You know, it was very After School Special, like,

879
00:48:35,740 --> 00:48:38,060
you know, pull out the heartstrings. 80 kind of

880
00:48:38,060 --> 00:48:39,140
80s kind of like.

881
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:42,570
>> Sarah : you know, oh, I thought. I thought you were gonna

882
00:48:42,570 --> 00:48:43,770
go to the Last of us.

883
00:48:44,810 --> 00:48:45,290
>> Will: That too.

884
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:50,160
>> Sarah : yeah, it's very, very Joel. Yeah, a Joel moment.

885
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:53,600
Like, I. I like that moment too, even, because I

886
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,000
had forgotten, like, these two episodes. They did

887
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,880
a good job because they know it's been a while and

888
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,360
this is One of the rare times where I actually

889
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,160
watched the recap at the very beginning. But, but

890
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,700
they did a good job about just reminding you these

891
00:49:10,700 --> 00:49:13,340
little tidbits that over the years you might have

892
00:49:13,340 --> 00:49:16,940
forgotten about. Like this is where this character

893
00:49:17,020 --> 00:49:19,540
was when we first met them and this is where they

894
00:49:19,540 --> 00:49:25,339
are now. So that's why in, in the present timeline

895
00:49:25,339 --> 00:49:27,780
for this show, they are behaving in this way.

896
00:49:27,780 --> 00:49:31,500
Because when you met them in season one, they had

897
00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:32,140
this history.

898
00:49:32,620 --> 00:49:33,140
>> Will: Yes.

899
00:49:33,140 --> 00:49:37,220
>> Sarah : So they've been, they've been reshaped as well. So

900
00:49:37,300 --> 00:49:40,460
I like, I like that reminder because I forgotten

901
00:49:40,460 --> 00:49:46,250
about the daughter I had to. I, I just. It just,

902
00:49:46,890 --> 00:49:49,730
I, I don't know. Yeah, you're never gonna get me

903
00:49:49,730 --> 00:49:50,570
on L side.

904
00:49:51,130 --> 00:49:56,060
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, I, yeah, I, I, Yeah,

905
00:49:56,060 --> 00:50:01,100
I have a, I have, I have mixed feelings about. I

906
00:50:01,100 --> 00:50:03,580
mean, you know, she can do all these, you know,

907
00:50:03,580 --> 00:50:07,840
she, she has the powers and stuff. and, and I, you

908
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,280
know, but, but even at that, I, I, I don't want to

909
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,570
say, I don't want to say they've nerfed her. but

910
00:50:13,570 --> 00:50:17,410
they did like, you know, make it very clear that

911
00:50:17,570 --> 00:50:19,650
especially in this episode that, you know, that,

912
00:50:19,650 --> 00:50:23,010
that it only goes so far. Especially like, you

913
00:50:23,010 --> 00:50:24,570
know, whenever they're in the Upside down and they

914
00:50:24,570 --> 00:50:27,540
come up against the up against that big formidable

915
00:50:27,540 --> 00:50:31,030
wall, there at the, at the end of, of episode two.

916
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:36,230
>> Sarah : Yeah, well, she's, she's only 11. I mean, there,

917
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:40,270
there are others which we have seen, but haven't

918
00:50:40,270 --> 00:50:43,590
seen too many since. So I'm sure that will come

919
00:50:43,590 --> 00:50:44,950
into play at some point.

920
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:46,710
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

921
00:50:48,070 --> 00:50:50,190
>> Sarah : What did you think about. I think the only thing

922
00:50:50,190 --> 00:50:54,730
we haven't really touched on was, Dr. K. Yeah,

923
00:50:54,810 --> 00:50:55,370
yeah.

924
00:50:55,410 --> 00:50:57,800
>> Will: Dr. K. And the, you know, the whole, you know,

925
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,680
they have to have, we got to have since, you know,

926
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,790
we, we lost the. Matthew Modine's character, who

927
00:51:03,790 --> 00:51:06,710
was behind all of these things in, in the last

928
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:08,709
season. So we gotta have the, we gotta have it, we

929
00:51:08,709 --> 00:51:13,720
gotta have the government. Official who's the, you

930
00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:16,640
know, behind all this. I, you know, it's cool to

931
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,800
see Linda Hamilton. I mean, it's just, it's just

932
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,480
great casting. Yeah, yeah. It's always cool to see

933
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,780
her. I'm still trying. I don't know what to make

934
00:51:24,780 --> 00:51:25,540
out of her yet.

935
00:51:25,940 --> 00:51:26,740
>> Sarah : Exactly.

936
00:51:26,900 --> 00:51:27,380
>> Will: Yeah.

937
00:51:27,780 --> 00:51:31,380
>> Sarah : Yeah. I mean, it's just, it's good casting because

938
00:51:31,380 --> 00:51:34,820
again, it reminded me. Oh yeah, that's right. Sam

939
00:51:34,820 --> 00:51:38,580
Austin was in like the second season and, or Sean

940
00:51:38,580 --> 00:51:44,060
Austin was and and like, when you, you mentioned

941
00:51:44,060 --> 00:51:46,620
at the top of the show, nostalgia, like, this show

942
00:51:46,620 --> 00:51:48,180
is known for nostalgia.

943
00:51:48,410 --> 00:51:48,730
>> Will: Yep.

944
00:51:49,130 --> 00:51:53,410
>> Sarah : And the casting has definitely played a role in

945
00:51:53,410 --> 00:51:56,920
that with this, the, the cameos and the

946
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:02,520
characters. so I, it's just, it's popcorn fun.

947
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,640
Like, I, I have my critiques. This is not my

948
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,640
favorite thing, but since season four. And I

949
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,480
remember feeling the exact same way turning on and

950
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,880
next thing you know, the episode's over and I'm

951
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,250
moving on next week one. And it's just, it's just

952
00:52:18,650 --> 00:52:21,490
for whatever reason, it's popcorn entertainment.

953
00:52:21,490 --> 00:52:28,010
It's not hard. And it's, it's also not too bad

954
00:52:28,490 --> 00:52:30,330
that I'm like, yeah, we're not.

955
00:52:30,730 --> 00:52:32,210
>> Will: Yeah, exactly.

956
00:52:32,210 --> 00:52:35,330
>> Sarah : It's also not the worst thing ever. So there,

957
00:52:35,330 --> 00:52:39,410
there is enough there that you're just like, yeah,

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this is entertainment. This is a good quality

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entertainment. And, and I totally understand why

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people, people adore this show. And then I also

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understand why people are like, that show hasn't.

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Isn't done yet. The kids are having babies. So

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come on. I know, I know it was adopted, but still.

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>> Will: Yeah. They'Re having their. Yeah. at the rate that

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they were like doing, producing the show. Yeah,

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the adopted child would have been a teenager. Been

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able to like to step in for, for 11.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. well, I think that is it for us

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tonight. We will continue this discussion and wrap

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up, with episodes three and four next week. Will,

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why don't you tell our listeners where they can

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find you?

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>> Will: Yeah, you can find me on all the socials at Will

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and Polk. W I L L M P O L K. don't forget we still

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are doing our holiday food drive. So if you feel

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so inclined to donate to help, support, food banks

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in our home communities of Durham, North Carolina

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and Fairbanks, Alaska, please, you can scan the QR

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code or go to the link in the show notes to, to

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donate. So we would greatly appreciate that, here

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in the holiday season, make sure people, have what

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they need, not only during the holidays but, but

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also throughout the year.

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>> Sarah : Yep. And you can find me on socials at SJ Belmont,

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M S J B L M M O N T. Please follow our crew on X,

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