Listen Up! The Last of Us Episode 2 x 2 Review You Can't Miss!

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>> Will: Foreign.

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>> Sarah : This is Scene N Nerd I'm your host, Sarah Belmont, and with me, as always,

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is our Mr. Producer, Will Paul. How are you doing tonight,

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Will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. It's a, Pedro Pascal

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podcast tonight.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. So, I finished the

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Pit over the weekend.

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>> Will: Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I

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still need to start it. I still. And also I need to go see Sinners.

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>> Sarah : Well, I, I'm glad you brought that up because,

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man, I feel like that has been more on my

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feed and just like in the

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zeitgeist leading up to, of

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course, last or the other night when

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Last of Us, aired. But even. Even with the

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Last of Us, episode airing, I

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felt like Sinners was like, on so many people's

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minds and it even has my curiosity

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peak where I'm like, hm, I'm tempted. I'm

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tempted. And. And I know that

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there's been a lot of stuff also to come

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out about the specific deal that

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Ryan Coogler had in place,

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which is getting some backlash, from

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the, from, the old

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school.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Studios.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Because this deal was. Is kind of

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unprecedented to an extent. if I

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recall.

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>> Will: So does he get ownership rights? Is it after 25

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years?

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>> Sarah : 25 years, ownership rights

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first, something about

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like he. He doesn't

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have to wait for the studio to make back their

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money before he gets his part,

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which, is another big deal. But. But there,

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There are, There are a

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handful of other filmmakers who have

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ownership rights over certain

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properties that they negotiated for.

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>> Will: Yeah, I think Quentin Tarantino has it for once, upon a

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time.

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>> Sarah : Yes. Yes. Yeah, I feel like we

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read or watched the same stories because

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you're.

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>> Will: I was, I was. I was listening to a podcast

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about, Well, again, like you said, centers is everywhere.

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And yeah, I was, I was listening to the Higher Learning

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podcast on, on the Ringer. And they were

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talking about, Savannah Lathan who, who also like, does the

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Midnight Boys and some other things. But,

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But, yeah, they were talking about Sinners Today and they

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were. They were talking about this very issue when I was listening to the

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podcast when I was on my walk today.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. I mean, between that

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and then Haley Steinfeld's

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casting as well as her character,

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I've been hearing a lot about that. I feel like at

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this point, the

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longer I'll wait, the more I'll basically,

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whenever I do get around to seeing it, I'll have seen

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the movie with the number of clips or piece things

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together, because it's Just. It's just

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everywhere. Which. Good on them.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, that's good. And I hear that it's a,

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It's a story that opens up a world and there's

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likely to be a sequel and

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potentially even a TV show.

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>> Will: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's. It's great given

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that, you know, we. We do spend the majority of

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our time talking about, like, existing ip, so to

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have an original story.

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>> Sarah : Absolutely.

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>> Will: it is. It's great. It's great. And, I know I. I think I

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had either profiled this as far as, like,

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I guess the 2025 black films back. Back in February

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for, like, Black History Month. So. So, yeah,

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so, you know, I. I had planned on seeing

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it this weekend and just, you know, things happen. But,

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yeah, I'm definitely gonna go check. Check it out this

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weekend.

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>> Sarah : That's good. So back to, where I

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started. I finished the Pit.

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>> Will: Yep. Sorry. No, no,

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that's another thing in his, like, Geist as well.

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>> Sarah : So it. It really is. I mean,

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it came out that 10 million viewers per

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episode while it was airing, and

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now the season has ended. Already in

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production for season two. We already know

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some things about season two, which will occur,

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about six to nine months after the first season,

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and it'll occur during the fourth of

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July weekend.

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I'm still. I was right before

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we started recording, I was like, oh, yeah, I have to talk about the Pit.

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Well, what do I say about the Pit?

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Because was I.

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Was I pretty engaged?

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Yeah, I was for. For the most part,

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engaged. At the same

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time, I,

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This isn't. When I. When.

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When I say the words workplace

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drama, what are a few shows that come to

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mind? Will.

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>> Will: Workplace drama. That's, I will think

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er.

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>> Sarah : I would think it doesn't have to be medical.

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>> Will: Okay. well, even though.

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>> Sarah : But just a workplace drama like ER

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is one. But then you got your Chicago

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Fires, you got

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your Law and Orders, you got. Yeah, yeah,

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you got, like, these procedural shows,

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and then Grey's Anatomy, which is a soap

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opera masked as a workplace

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drama. Yeah,

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I thought I understood the definition of a workplace

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drama, and then I watched the Pit. The Pit is the

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epitome of a workplace drama

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because it is not a soap

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opera. It

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is not a soap opera.

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much just like

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we. There are cameras in an

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er and you're just watching

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doctors do their thing and

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patients come and go, events happen.

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there'll be, like, some backstory

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about this doctor a little bit. But it's not,

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it's, it's. No, it's not

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really the same as

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a whole episode focused on one doctor

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dealing with this, like her

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relationship with her husband and

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balancing. No, it's none of that.

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So, so it's, it's hard for me

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because I can appreciate the

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originality, especially in

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terms of. And I know that there's been some

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lawsuits about this being

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basically a dupe of er. Er.

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I did watch, like, I did

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end up, because it was airing on TNT

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and everything I've seen pretty much. I want

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to say all of ER for the most part.

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off kind of as a workplace drama

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and then as it went on, it definitely became

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a soap opera.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, it definitely did.

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>> Will: It's like NYPD Blue the same way. And, you know, any of those

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procedurals back in the day, they do sort of. They did morph into

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that.

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>> Sarah : Right. And I don't, I don't even know if

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you can consider this a procedural

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because like the, the

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context is every episode is one hour

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of a. One workday. You're just.

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The entire 15 hours is one

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workday. One shift, actually.

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it is. I, I applaud the originality.

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I, I am going to watch season

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two when it comes out, but at the same

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time I am still just

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like, what can. I can. I fully.

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I can. Obviously I enjoyed it. I wasn't

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turned off by any, anything except for that

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pregnancy, that birth episode. Just,

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just as soon as you see a pregnant

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woman enter the hospital in distress,

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turn off your. You don't want

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to see it, guys. You don't.

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so anyways, I just, I just am

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still kind of, kind of

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wrapping my mind around my

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feelings about this show. I, I liked

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it, but I, I, it's, it's very

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different.

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I've. Did I lose you?

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>> Will: Well, no, I'm here, I'm here, I'm here. I

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put it on, on mute because it's, allergy season here in North

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Carolina, so, sometimes I had to sneeze a couple times.

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>> Sarah : It's okay. No worries. Yeah,

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but, but, yeah, so, so that is my thoughts

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on the pit. Whenever Will gets around to

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it, which sometimes Will likes to do this thing

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like what he did with the bear season two. He'll

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : An entire year before watching

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something so he can get on the hype train with

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the new season.

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>> Will: And that's what, that's what will probably happen. I do want to watch

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it. My sister in law Works. she's. She's a

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doctor and she does work in an emergency room. So I was. I was

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mentioning it to my wife. I was like, is your interested in

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anything about the pit? Because I, I want to see, you

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know, someone who does work in the medical profession wanted to get their.

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Their. Their take on it, so. And in particular

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in that. In that. In that environment as well.

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So, I'll get around to it. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And their reactions to the episodes

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on TikTok is what really led me to watching the

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show. And probably another reason, like,

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my real final thought on it

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is I knew too much going in

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because I had seen multiple

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scenes and as they were playing out, I'm like,

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okay, okay, I get the context now,

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but, like, the. The

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little beat of character,

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moments were all spoiled for me.

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a lot of story. Storylines were going and a lot of

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the stuff like the sequencing of events

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kind of. But. But. And I will say

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the last four episodes in particular,

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I am so glad I was able to binge them.

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why I, like, am interested in

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season two, because I really liked how that

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all, like, those last four episodes, it took

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a while to get there, but I,

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think that the culmination really,

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paid off. so.

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And then the other thing that I watched, which this is

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a surprise because everyone knows how I feel about trailers these

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days, so I did check out the

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Fantastic Four trailer relatively shortly

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after it came out last week.

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mainly because I just wanted to see Silver Surface

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Surfer who looks pretty bomb. I

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kind of regret my decision, though, of watching the trailer, because

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between that trailer and the previous trailer, I'm like,

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okay, so now do we have the

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complete movie? They

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showed a lot of different things, in my opinion, in this

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one. And so I'm like, okay,

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yeah, yeah, we got.

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>> Will: Yeah, it was like the teaser. And then of course, this really was like

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the. The official. The official

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trailer. you know, we. You definitely get all the beats. We,

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you know, we do get read. we actually do see re

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Stretch and all that kind of stuff. So.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah.

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>> Will: Yeah. The pregnancy of, of, as

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well. But, you know, but, you know, of course they do.

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I still. Even though, you know, they did carry forward the scene with

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Herbie and. And thing from that. That,

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that again, I. I still, like, channel the bear every

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time. I, like, hear even my even

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bus rock like, talk. Thing. Talk, talk about that. I'm like,

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cousin. I just want him to say cousin once.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. Ever since

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Daredevil aired, I've been seeing a lot

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more clips of C from the Punisher

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season one. And he was in. That actor was

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also in that show. I

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have the same, I have the same problem.

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I'm just like, cousin, what are you doing

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here?

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, but so as I have the trailer

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here for playing in the background while we're talking about it. It's like, you

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know, the Silver Surfer. You know, they're the.

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Silver Surfer out there. I know some people were having some issues with the gender

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swap and that kind of stuff. I'm like, okay, get over it already.

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But, know, I did like the, the Johnny Storm

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moments. And and one of the things I really

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did enjoy about the trailer too. of course we do get

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the, you know, more with Galactus and,

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and. And all. But also just the Bob. Just

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the retro, vintage vibe that's going on

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in you know, with this

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alternate universe at their end. And I'm very curious to see how they're

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going to like, bridge over to the primary, the

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Prime MCU universe as well. But I

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really did like the. Did like the whole vibe, that's going on, in

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this, you know, in their city.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Very cool. All right,

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so that brings us to

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you, wanting. Wanting to do a Star Wars Celebration

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recap.

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>> Will: Yeah. So Star Wars Celebration was

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just in Japan this past weekend.

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season premiere, as well season two premiere, as

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well as we record tonight. So I know a lot of people are probably

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catching it and we'll start our reviews. Reviews

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of it next, week. But yeah, there were

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a couple things that did drop from the Star Wars

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Celebration. First, of course, we did get the

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Sean Levy

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sure.

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Mandalorian Roku. Oh, we got one last

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May 2027. Of course, Mandalorian Grogu

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are coming, on May next

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next year. And they did show

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a trailer, that

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that at the event

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that did not. It hasn't. I mean,

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I think some states and stuff has like

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bootleg footage did pop up online.

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But But for folks who

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haven't seen it, you know, they

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did show

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a scene from Mandalorian Grogu and I'm just

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reading from the Hollywood Reporter description of it here. In the

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heavy action footage, the audience sees snow troopers

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inside at, ah, preparing to engage in battle. Then

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what appears to be an homage to the opening of the

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original 1977 movie in which rebels

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prepared for and then were massacred by invading

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stormtroopers. The Mandalorian cuts open the hall of the

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atat, then in one continuous take

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blast stabs Pyros and fights his way through the snow troopers,

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making his way through the hall and then hallway

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ending at the door of the cockpit which closes

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quickly. The seals of Real also,

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shows the mysterious character played by Sigourney Weaver speaking to

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Mando and Grogu reminding Mando that

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she. That he works for her. There's also some

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more battle scenes, and also, Grogu

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swimming underwater. The reel concludes with a brief look of

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Jeremy Allen White, as wrote of the Hutt, the

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son of the crime lord Jabba the Hutt, raised in his hands

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to try up as some sort of fighting arena. And then cutting back

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to Grogu eating what looks like to be popcorn, in

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the Star Wars. Star wars version of the universe. So

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yeah, so that was the things, that did drop

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there, with Mandalorian Grogu. there was

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also ah, you know, folks to have seen,

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you know, this still photo of Pedro,

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as. As Den without the helmet on. because we know

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that he has him broken decreed

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and he can, he can go helmetless now as far as in the

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Mandalorian culture. Also there was

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the news that Darth Maul is going to have

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a new animated show that's going to premiere in

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2026. Sam Witwer is returning

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to voice Darth Maul. we

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also got news about Ahsoka Season 2.

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They're starting to film at the end, I think

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end of this month, I think starting next week. and

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they also had you know, there was a, you know, of course we

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sadly lost Ray Stevenson, but Rory

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McCann is stepping in to play, Balon.

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Hayden Christensen is returning as

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Anakin. apparently

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there's gonna be a big showdown between Abbar, who we saw

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in Return of the Jedi, and of course Thrawn was going to

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be returning, also Star wars, the Ninth

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Jedi, which was part of the season two of

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Star Wars Visions, which I've watched some of. Star Wars Vision

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is a, it's a I guess anime version

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of the Star wars universe. But one of the episodes

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in the second season is going to have a spin off for full

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for a new series called the Ninth Jedi, which will go

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into production soon. And then, we got the date

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of, Star Wars Celebration 2027, which will be April

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1 4, and it'll be back in the States

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in Los Angeles. So those are some of the

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highlights from, from Star wars, from, Star Wars Celebration,

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that just happened this week.

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>> Sarah : All right, so before we move

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into the Last of Us Season two, I,

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I just, I'm curious, because we,

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we, if I recall correctly, we share similar

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sentiments about the Mandalorian

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third season. are

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you now, based on the information

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that has come out about Mandalorian and

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Grogu, on board with the movie?

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Or are you still like. I don't

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know.

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>> Will: I'm on board with the movie now.

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>> Sarah : Okay.

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>> Will: I think. Yeah, yeah. And actually John. And the question

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did come to. Was, presented to John Favreau about whether

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or not, there was going to be a fourth season after the movie.

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And, and he,

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didn't really answer it. He just said, you know, he did the usual. I'm

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focusing on the movie right now, so.

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So we'll see what happens if there's going to be anything back

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on the Disney plus platform, after.

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After the movie. But, But yeah, I think I, I.

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From what I. One of the other things they did talk about

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during Celebration that John Favreau did talk about

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having the benefit of being a

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feature film is the ability to do location

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shoots, not rely on the volume so much. The,

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budget, of course, even though, you know, obviously the

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Mandalorian did have, in many sense, you

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know, it has some cinema cinematic feels from

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time to time, but there were a lot of times you could clearly tell they were on the sound

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stage at the volume. See.

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>> Sarah : Yes. But that wasn't the problem I

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had with it. I had more of a story

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issues, specifically in the third

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season.

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>> Will: Yeah. And the third season. Yeah. And I am

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100% there. And a lot of that was, I think, due to

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Pedro's, like, schedule, where Brendan Wayne

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stepped in, for a lot of the scenes in that

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third season. And, and the story really did just sort of

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focus so much, you know, focus on the Mandalorian culture

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and, and other aspects of it. I

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just felt like it was. They were trying to do, like,

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multiple stories and, and none of it seemed like a cohesive

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hole, if I recall. It just didn't. It just, it didn't seem

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inspired.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. I mean, clearly we're having a hard time

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remembering what exactly happened in that third season.

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And it's. I, Like, like there were other

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issues leading into, like, the

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whole, Boba of it all.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So. So, like. Like, I.

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I just. I. That's just standard, movie

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producer and writer. Oh. Now we get a bigger

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budget, so it'll work. It's like. Well, you had some script

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problems, so, like, are, you gonna.

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>> Will: Yeah. And.

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>> Sarah : And I can understand what you're saying about

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Pedro not being in the suit the whole time,

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but still, then that's just an acting thing. Like, at the end of

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the day, they're the story beats work or they don't.

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>> Will: Right.

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>> Sarah : which actually is a good segue

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into the Last of Us, Season two.

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and disclaimer. We are talking spoilers.

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If you're listening to this and

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you are either wanting to know what

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happens, then, okay, that's cool. I do that with

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stuff all the time. But we're gonna tell you what

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happens and share our thoughts about it.

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of course. And this episode specifically

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does contain spoilers because

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Joel dies.

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Will, we're gonna. I'm. I'm not

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gonna. I don't want to go in chronicle logical

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order with this, because I think

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through the Valley. Know that that's

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plain. Right?

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>> Will: yeah. My head isn't. Isn't it original?

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I just wanted to.

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>> Sarah : Okay.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Okay. I just. I didn't know because

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earlier I could barely hear what you were

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saying over some of those. Those clips.

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So I don't know, audio wise.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, all that is working out. If that's.

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I get that that was intentional, but it. Yeah,

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I didn't. Okay, well, this

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is cool. so, yeah, Will, why don't

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you share your thoughts?

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>> Will: Yeah, so the,

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It is full. Yeah, let's just. Let's just talk about the Joel a

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bit. All, Joel. it worked for me, bottom

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line. it did. You know, obviously, I. I

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have seen the cut scenes and stuff, but, And

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even it's funny, Sunday before

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afternoon, you sent me a message and you're like,

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yeah, we're, you know, here we go for the Last of Us. Another episode

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of torture or something to that effect. Emotional

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trauma. I think that's what you said. And, But.

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But he didn't spoil anything for me because

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I was just like, it's the last of us. Of course there's going to be

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emotional trauma. and, And so as the

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episode was happening, I was just like, okay, you know, we

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got the We. We. Things are happening

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and the whole siege of Jackson, and.

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And then we get to that. We get to that moment and

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it happens. And I. I had to sit

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with it there for a moment, even though I knew

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that it was coming. and,

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but it, the scene

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and we'll get into why it worked for me.

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>> Sarah : Ah.

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>> Will: As we discuss, you know, discuss the

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whole Abby storyline in this

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episode. but but yeah, it, I,

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I, I

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could understand, you know, and I think, and looking at the

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IMDb score, I think overall,

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whether you're familiar with the game or not, this like read

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it like 9.5. So

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for the, the episode to

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me is definitely one of the best episodes of this

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series. I know Bill, you know,

509
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the one from the two episodes from episode

510
00:23:43,780 --> 00:23:46,676
from season one still I think ranked higher for

511
00:23:46,700 --> 00:23:49,558
me. the Bill episode. And then of course when

512
00:23:49,598 --> 00:23:52,580
we see the, the brothers, but

513
00:23:52,604 --> 00:23:55,088
this one is right up there with, right up there with them.

514
00:23:57,948 --> 00:24:00,932
>> Sarah : So when you say worked for you, what do

515
00:24:00,940 --> 00:24:01,648
you mean?

516
00:24:02,348 --> 00:24:05,288
>> Will: The emotional gut punch

517
00:24:05,638 --> 00:24:08,154
of of seeing essentially

518
00:24:08,266 --> 00:24:11,118
Ellie's step, you know, you know,

519
00:24:11,068 --> 00:24:14,020
surrogate father getting murdered her in

520
00:24:14,044 --> 00:24:16,168
front of her. And I think it was the acting,

521
00:24:16,828 --> 00:24:19,460
it wasn't so much. It was, it was, it was

522
00:24:19,484 --> 00:24:22,132
Bella's and Ellie's

523
00:24:22,180 --> 00:24:24,852
reaction and the things I've seen the

524
00:24:24,860 --> 00:24:27,668
cutscene from the game because I never

525
00:24:27,708 --> 00:24:30,702
played the game. But

526
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:33,774
when they translated it into the

527
00:24:33,846 --> 00:24:36,174
television medium and just

528
00:24:36,246 --> 00:24:38,308
the Ellie's

529
00:24:38,468 --> 00:24:41,428
reaction, you know, whenever we see

530
00:24:41,468 --> 00:24:44,404
Joel try, you know, when she's like, Joel, get up. You know,

531
00:24:44,476 --> 00:24:47,168
that, that, that part of it,

532
00:24:47,268 --> 00:24:49,708
whenever Joel tries to get

533
00:24:49,748 --> 00:24:52,612
up, and then you know, and

534
00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:54,688
then of course after

535
00:24:55,578 --> 00:24:58,450
Abby drives the golf club through us, through his

536
00:24:58,474 --> 00:25:01,400
neck, and we get them, you know, we

537
00:25:01,424 --> 00:25:04,110
just get the moment of her just you

538
00:25:04,134 --> 00:25:07,070
know, with Joel. This is, right,

539
00:25:07,094 --> 00:25:09,998
this is, this is where I was just like, damn. I mean

540
00:25:10,038 --> 00:25:12,894
I got, I was like this, this is the moment

541
00:25:12,926 --> 00:25:15,908
where I was just like, yeah, I, I, I

542
00:25:16,198 --> 00:25:18,886
I've got it, I've got this episode. I just got to sit with it for a

543
00:25:18,910 --> 00:25:19,514
moment.

544
00:25:20,454 --> 00:25:22,474
>> Sarah : What about, what about

545
00:25:24,774 --> 00:25:27,534
like, yeah, grief, pain,

546
00:25:27,694 --> 00:25:29,954
sadness, overwhelming.

547
00:25:30,294 --> 00:25:33,134
Then all of a sudden, I'm gonna kill

548
00:25:33,174 --> 00:25:36,174
you. I'm gonna kill you. I'm gonna kill

549
00:25:36,214 --> 00:25:38,830
you all. Were you

550
00:25:38,982 --> 00:25:40,554
based on that performance.

551
00:25:41,364 --> 00:25:44,058
>> Sarah : Terrified of Ellie in that moment?

552
00:25:44,236 --> 00:25:44,994
>> Will: Yes.

553
00:25:45,414 --> 00:25:45,870
>> Sarah : Okay.

554
00:25:45,902 --> 00:25:48,734
>> Will: I was, I was. And, and they set it up.

555
00:25:48,774 --> 00:25:51,630
And I think the thing that set up. Because I know last week when we talked

556
00:25:51,662 --> 00:25:53,114
about episode one,

557
00:25:54,404 --> 00:25:57,228
how, how Ellie's behavior

558
00:25:57,356 --> 00:26:00,236
was just so extra as far as just

559
00:26:00,260 --> 00:26:02,700
being the bratty 19 year old and everything

560
00:26:02,772 --> 00:26:05,548
else and, and just you

561
00:26:05,556 --> 00:26:08,508
know, trying to sort of independence and then you

562
00:26:08,516 --> 00:26:11,024
know, when you think, you know, you. And then

563
00:26:11,724 --> 00:26:14,372
we see that, and we see how. How

564
00:26:14,428 --> 00:26:17,024
things end with, you know, with the. Whenever she.

565
00:26:17,404 --> 00:26:20,356
After the dance and Joel sitting on the porch

566
00:26:20,420 --> 00:26:23,396
and playing the guitar, and she just looks at him and. And

567
00:26:23,420 --> 00:26:26,016
then, of course, when this episode starts, you know, she.

568
00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:28,814
She's having the conversation with, Jamie,

569
00:26:29,414 --> 00:26:32,218
about, you know, what. What had transpired at the

570
00:26:32,226 --> 00:26:34,906
dance and, you know, Joel letting her sleep in instead of going out on

571
00:26:34,930 --> 00:26:37,634
patrol. but. Yeah, but at the same time, they're like,

572
00:26:37,754 --> 00:26:40,718
yeah, but we're cool. And so, you, know, it

573
00:26:40,758 --> 00:26:43,678
was. It was a thing where I was like, okay,

574
00:26:43,758 --> 00:26:46,430
whenever. Earlier in the episode, whenever she was talking to

575
00:26:46,454 --> 00:26:48,334
Jamie about the events of what happened.

576
00:26:48,366 --> 00:26:49,886
>> Sarah : It's not Jamie. It's Jesse.

577
00:26:49,982 --> 00:26:51,618
>> Will: Sorry. Sorry.

578
00:26:52,598 --> 00:26:54,858
Yeah, yeah, Jesse. Sorry, My bad.

579
00:26:55,788 --> 00:26:57,940
but, hey, at least. At least I had a J name.

580
00:26:58,044 --> 00:27:00,836
>> Sarah : I know, I know. I. I, like, was gonna let it go,

581
00:27:00,892 --> 00:27:02,872
but you. You kept bringing him up, and I'm.

582
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,432
>> Will: Like, yeah, sorry,

583
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,136
Jesse. Yeah. Well, again, I mean. And I guess I'm just

584
00:27:08,192 --> 00:27:11,122
like, Yeah, I'm just. Yeah, I mean, like I said, I

585
00:27:11,130 --> 00:27:13,986
mean, I think it's just the. The emotion of the moment, thinking

586
00:27:14,002 --> 00:27:15,198
about it and just,

587
00:27:18,448 --> 00:27:21,352
Yeah, I mean, I think that's it. Just. Well, I

588
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:24,008
guess where I was going with that, with. With their conversation was

589
00:27:24,048 --> 00:27:26,868
more did they.

590
00:27:27,188 --> 00:27:29,708
As a viewer, I was like, did they

591
00:27:29,748 --> 00:27:32,684
really have a moment afterwards where they

592
00:27:32,756 --> 00:27:35,660
did have, you know, they did talk about it

593
00:27:35,684 --> 00:27:38,540
and work through things or not? I

594
00:27:38,564 --> 00:27:41,528
don't know. And. And. And so,

595
00:27:42,468 --> 00:27:45,020
you know, so because of how

596
00:27:45,124 --> 00:27:47,128
things were between them

597
00:27:48,228 --> 00:27:50,604
and not knowing whether or not they did

598
00:27:50,676 --> 00:27:53,520
have a moment to try to

599
00:27:53,544 --> 00:27:56,480
make amends about things, it just. It just adds to the

600
00:27:56,504 --> 00:27:59,424
whole. The whole experience as far as what we. What we see

601
00:27:59,496 --> 00:28:02,224
and. And whenever Joel gets murdered by

602
00:28:02,296 --> 00:28:03,028
Abby.

603
00:28:03,448 --> 00:28:06,272
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, that. That's. That's

604
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,248
true. And I agree. I agree

605
00:28:09,288 --> 00:28:11,848
with that. I.

606
00:28:12,228 --> 00:28:15,068
I still have a pro.

607
00:28:15,188 --> 00:28:18,140
I wasn't terrified by Ellie in

608
00:28:18,164 --> 00:28:20,768
that moment at all. I.

609
00:28:20,888 --> 00:28:23,760
There. There. I think there was something awkward for

610
00:28:23,784 --> 00:28:26,414
me about the timing. I think it.

611
00:28:26,486 --> 00:28:29,358
Like, it. There was. There was

612
00:28:29,398 --> 00:28:32,298
a. There was maybe a beat missed or something.

613
00:28:32,778 --> 00:28:35,748
but I agree, like, I

614
00:28:35,788 --> 00:28:38,448
really do appreciate Bella's performance,

615
00:28:39,788 --> 00:28:42,586
like, walking into the room,

616
00:28:42,772 --> 00:28:45,374
pulling the gun, getting kicked,

617
00:28:45,486 --> 00:28:48,222
and then begging for him to get up.

618
00:28:48,390 --> 00:28:51,118
And just. That whole thing did. Did really

619
00:28:51,158 --> 00:28:54,144
work. I didn't cry. Will doesn't

620
00:28:54,176 --> 00:28:56,432
like it when I say this, but I am dead inside.

621
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,966
So, And. And I have

622
00:28:59,022 --> 00:29:01,542
seen all of the Cut scenes from season

623
00:29:01,630 --> 00:29:04,484
two, years ago. And I'm so. I'm

624
00:29:04,516 --> 00:29:07,248
feel familiar with where everything is going.

625
00:29:07,908 --> 00:29:10,748
And, and I knew last week that they would

626
00:29:10,788 --> 00:29:12,928
kill him in this week's episode.

627
00:29:13,818 --> 00:29:16,358
but, I think,

628
00:29:17,298 --> 00:29:20,250
I think something that's also overshadowing

629
00:29:20,314 --> 00:29:22,816
me for, Or for

630
00:29:22,872 --> 00:29:25,824
me, something that is overshadowing Bella's

631
00:29:25,856 --> 00:29:28,828
performance in this sequence is,

632
00:29:30,438 --> 00:29:32,648
Is, Caitlyn's performance,

633
00:29:33,368 --> 00:29:34,628
as Abby.

634
00:29:36,158 --> 00:29:38,214
and I want to focus on talking about

635
00:29:38,286 --> 00:29:40,726
Abby because I

636
00:29:40,782 --> 00:29:43,536
think, I've heard some mixed things.

637
00:29:43,672 --> 00:29:46,608
Some people like the monologue, some people don't like

638
00:29:46,648 --> 00:29:49,268
the monologue for very different reasons.

639
00:29:49,688 --> 00:29:52,672
To me, that monologue was not

640
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,232
a villain mustache

641
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,218
twirling monologue that

642
00:29:58,258 --> 00:30:00,798
was intentional writing

643
00:30:01,218 --> 00:30:03,754
so you understand why

644
00:30:03,826 --> 00:30:06,618
she's doing what she's doing. And also, more

645
00:30:06,658 --> 00:30:09,162
importantly, the parallelism

646
00:30:09,290 --> 00:30:11,818
and the creating a foil of

647
00:30:11,858 --> 00:30:14,666
Ellie. Okay. He drops some very

648
00:30:14,722 --> 00:30:17,578
important details. The

649
00:30:17,618 --> 00:30:19,998
game did not have this monologue.

650
00:30:20,338 --> 00:30:21,274
>> Will: Nope.

651
00:30:21,466 --> 00:30:24,326
>> Sarah : Okay. They also. Last

652
00:30:24,382 --> 00:30:27,046
week. I don't know if you remember this, Will, I

653
00:30:27,102 --> 00:30:29,958
said I don't think they should have shown that scene of

654
00:30:29,998 --> 00:30:32,774
Abby in that episode because

655
00:30:32,846 --> 00:30:35,846
in the game, Abby comes out of left

656
00:30:35,902 --> 00:30:38,854
field and then just kills

657
00:30:38,886 --> 00:30:41,058
Joel. And you're like, what the.

658
00:30:41,838 --> 00:30:44,448
So, so,

659
00:30:44,398 --> 00:30:47,304
Abby here. And, and I,

660
00:30:47,376 --> 00:30:50,298
and I think that. I

661
00:30:50,338 --> 00:30:52,762
think this is all intentional, not

662
00:30:52,930 --> 00:30:55,866
story wise. But more importantly, because

663
00:30:55,922 --> 00:30:58,650
of the backlash that the actress

664
00:30:58,714 --> 00:31:01,434
who played Abby in the game

665
00:31:01,506 --> 00:31:02,118
got

666
00:31:04,258 --> 00:31:07,188
for this whole thing, they

667
00:31:07,228 --> 00:31:09,636
did not want Caitlyn to experience

668
00:31:09,772 --> 00:31:12,516
that. So instead these

669
00:31:12,572 --> 00:31:15,542
two episodes, they tried their best

670
00:31:15,710 --> 00:31:18,550
to, to at least

671
00:31:18,654 --> 00:31:21,478
give her some motivation that

672
00:31:21,518 --> 00:31:24,326
makes sense. So she doesn't entirely come

673
00:31:24,382 --> 00:31:26,982
out of left field. And even though,

674
00:31:27,070 --> 00:31:29,218
yes, you hate her,

675
00:31:30,718 --> 00:31:33,218
you also understand her.

676
00:31:33,918 --> 00:31:36,582
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think about. Yeah, I

677
00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:37,858
mean, I think.

678
00:31:38,398 --> 00:31:41,360
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. I, I just wanted to drive

679
00:31:41,424 --> 00:31:42,908
one more point home.

680
00:31:44,408 --> 00:31:46,880
Is that. And when I say you understand

681
00:31:46,984 --> 00:31:49,888
her, I think the. You

682
00:31:49,928 --> 00:31:52,304
killed my father. Like,

683
00:31:52,376 --> 00:31:55,088
yeah, yeah, that, that's something. But I

684
00:31:55,128 --> 00:31:57,968
really liked that other. The build

685
00:31:58,008 --> 00:32:00,864
up in the lead up to you killed an

686
00:32:00,936 --> 00:32:03,744
unarmed doctor.

687
00:32:03,936 --> 00:32:06,508
Like, and they even showed it like

688
00:32:06,998 --> 00:32:09,886
you were doing you. Like you made a

689
00:32:09,942 --> 00:32:12,222
choice like, this wasn't self

690
00:32:12,270 --> 00:32:15,070
defense. This wasn't anything. You

691
00:32:15,094 --> 00:32:17,870
left all the nurses, nurses alive

692
00:32:17,934 --> 00:32:20,206
in that room, but you killed the

693
00:32:20,262 --> 00:32:21,166
doctor.

694
00:32:21,342 --> 00:32:22,178
>> Will: Yep.

695
00:32:22,598 --> 00:32:25,316
>> Sarah : So, so. And. And the

696
00:32:25,372 --> 00:32:28,084
consequences of it all is what we're

697
00:32:28,116 --> 00:32:30,688
seeing played out. So

698
00:32:31,068 --> 00:32:34,002
I just, I, I think the,

699
00:32:34,090 --> 00:32:36,718
A, the writing there was really good,

700
00:32:37,018 --> 00:32:39,598
but B, the,

701
00:32:40,288 --> 00:32:42,904
the delivery. Because.

702
00:32:43,056 --> 00:32:45,880
Because I know that a lot of people who,

703
00:32:45,984 --> 00:32:48,584
who are familiar with the game and the story

704
00:32:48,736 --> 00:32:51,176
are struggling With Abby because of the

705
00:32:51,232 --> 00:32:51,868
size.

706
00:32:52,288 --> 00:32:53,432
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

707
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,456
>> Sarah : And, and, and I have to agree, I do

708
00:32:56,512 --> 00:32:59,054
struggle with that. But then Caitlyn

709
00:32:59,086 --> 00:33:02,030
delivers a performance like that, I'm like, well, I see why she, they

710
00:33:02,054 --> 00:33:03,102
casted her.

711
00:33:03,270 --> 00:33:06,254
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, she was, yeah, totally

712
00:33:06,286 --> 00:33:09,188
get it, man. Originally she was going to be Ellie, but then, things

713
00:33:09,228 --> 00:33:12,068
got, when they were going to make this as a movie and then it got

714
00:33:12,108 --> 00:33:14,696
delayed and so she aged out. But

715
00:33:14,864 --> 00:33:17,848
if she's completely the, the I

716
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,568
now talk about you. You asked the question, was I afraid of

717
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,276
Ellie? At that moment I was afraid

718
00:33:23,384 --> 00:33:26,276
of Abby. I mean, you're right. I mean

719
00:33:26,364 --> 00:33:29,312
the, the, the writing and the performance

720
00:33:29,692 --> 00:33:32,404
just, you know, like you said when she was

721
00:33:32,588 --> 00:33:35,572
listing off the 18 soldiers,

722
00:33:35,652 --> 00:33:37,592
the one doctor,

723
00:33:38,542 --> 00:33:41,494
just every, you know, I could, you

724
00:33:41,518 --> 00:33:44,246
know, I could see why her, why

725
00:33:44,414 --> 00:33:46,962
the rest of the fireflies that were with her

726
00:33:47,662 --> 00:33:50,544
follow her. Because you know, some

727
00:33:50,568 --> 00:33:53,232
people just have that it and she has

728
00:33:53,272 --> 00:33:56,080
it right. You know, there's that intangible,

729
00:33:56,176 --> 00:33:59,104
like they just have it, you know, you know, they

730
00:33:59,128 --> 00:34:02,080
may not be the most physically imposing person, you know,

731
00:34:02,216 --> 00:34:04,812
to your point about how the difference between

732
00:34:05,442 --> 00:34:07,538
Abby and the game versus a TV show.

733
00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:08,274
>> Sarah : Right.

734
00:34:08,458 --> 00:34:11,222
>> Will: But she just, I, yeah,

735
00:34:11,722 --> 00:34:14,692
as that scene was playing out, I was just like, oh man.

736
00:34:14,802 --> 00:34:17,280
I, I was like, oh, she's,

737
00:34:17,376 --> 00:34:18,972
I, I, I

738
00:34:20,392 --> 00:34:23,232
was, yeah, I was fearful. And,

739
00:34:23,272 --> 00:34:26,064
and, and she sold it. And she, and the, in the,

740
00:34:26,168 --> 00:34:28,992
and the conviction of what she was

741
00:34:29,032 --> 00:34:31,888
doing was on full display. And another

742
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,302
part of the scene too that I think,

743
00:34:35,882 --> 00:34:38,770
was because as you noted, the m,

744
00:34:38,826 --> 00:34:41,606
the monologue in, you know, since they did

745
00:34:41,754 --> 00:34:44,718
tweak it from the game and made the monologue longer

746
00:34:44,750 --> 00:34:47,664
on television. Yeah. you know,

747
00:34:47,848 --> 00:34:50,736
I was wondering if there was ever going to be a moment other than Joel

748
00:34:50,784 --> 00:34:53,520
saying and all this, you know, shut the up and get on with it

749
00:34:53,576 --> 00:34:56,192
already. I was wondering if there was going to be some more

750
00:34:56,232 --> 00:34:58,812
pushback, especially whenever she was going

751
00:34:59,272 --> 00:35:02,192
into her, you know, her story about the

752
00:35:02,232 --> 00:35:04,972
Doctor. But I think at the end of the day,

753
00:35:05,512 --> 00:35:08,496
Joel, you know, because you know,

754
00:35:08,504 --> 00:35:11,472
again, talk about, you know, referencing what we talked about last week

755
00:35:11,512 --> 00:35:14,224
and even and before with season one, you

756
00:35:14,248 --> 00:35:17,232
know, Joel knows what's special about

757
00:35:17,272 --> 00:35:18,052
Ellie.

758
00:35:18,402 --> 00:35:21,326
>> Will: And they, and, and so

759
00:35:21,414 --> 00:35:24,382
he had, you know, so yes, his

760
00:35:24,422 --> 00:35:27,422
motivations in killing those folks was

761
00:35:27,462 --> 00:35:30,362
selfish because he didn't want to lose another daughter again.

762
00:35:31,622 --> 00:35:33,722
But at this, but he also

763
00:35:34,432 --> 00:35:37,176
knows her secret that,

764
00:35:37,264 --> 00:35:40,184
you know, that they, they have that other

765
00:35:40,208 --> 00:35:43,144
people still clearly don't know about. Because you know, Ellie, in

766
00:35:43,168 --> 00:35:46,084
the first episode, after she Got, attacked by the.

767
00:35:46,188 --> 00:35:48,552
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

768
00:35:49,452 --> 00:35:52,246
yeah. So, so he was still protecting

769
00:35:52,294 --> 00:35:54,862
that secret, even, in his last moments.

770
00:35:55,362 --> 00:35:57,946
>> Sarah : Right, right. Yeah, that's, that's

771
00:35:57,994 --> 00:36:00,714
fair. also, you bring up

772
00:36:00,818 --> 00:36:03,724
the saving of Ellie, which

773
00:36:03,748 --> 00:36:06,252
is mirrored in this episode by the saving of

774
00:36:06,292 --> 00:36:06,992
Abby.

775
00:36:08,922 --> 00:36:11,522
and. And I like

776
00:36:11,562 --> 00:36:13,342
that I saved you.

777
00:36:15,082 --> 00:36:17,810
And I wish that there was more of a

778
00:36:17,866 --> 00:36:20,622
pause because I really think

779
00:36:21,082 --> 00:36:23,770
that that moment when he says

780
00:36:23,826 --> 00:36:26,298
that should have landed a bit

781
00:36:26,370 --> 00:36:29,370
harder considering in

782
00:36:29,426 --> 00:36:32,058
the first episode, the end of the

783
00:36:32,130 --> 00:36:34,650
therapy session, the

784
00:36:34,706 --> 00:36:37,594
therapist is asking the whole time, what did

785
00:36:37,618 --> 00:36:40,250
you do to Ellie? And he says, I

786
00:36:40,306 --> 00:36:41,258
saved her.

787
00:36:41,410 --> 00:36:42,222
>> Will: Yep.

788
00:36:42,722 --> 00:36:45,162
>> Sarah : Now, because that conversation

789
00:36:45,322 --> 00:36:47,382
Ellie wasn't present to,

790
00:36:48,332 --> 00:36:51,284
we don't know how she would respond to that or

791
00:36:51,308 --> 00:36:53,632
what her argument would be, but

792
00:36:54,252 --> 00:36:57,060
I think she would have a very similar

793
00:36:57,196 --> 00:36:59,924
response to what Abby says. What

794
00:37:00,028 --> 00:37:02,644
life? Yeah, you

795
00:37:02,748 --> 00:37:05,732
saved me. What, like, good

796
00:37:05,772 --> 00:37:08,772
on you. I don't have a life because for

797
00:37:08,812 --> 00:37:11,604
five years I've been dragging around

798
00:37:11,708 --> 00:37:14,492
this grudge and seeking vengeance on your

799
00:37:14,532 --> 00:37:17,272
ass. So what are you talking about?

800
00:37:17,652 --> 00:37:20,300
Like, thank you. Now I get to kill

801
00:37:20,356 --> 00:37:22,792
you and fulfill something.

802
00:37:23,332 --> 00:37:25,592
So you, ah, have that. You also,

803
00:37:25,892 --> 00:37:27,192
like, she.

804
00:37:29,252 --> 00:37:31,836
We learn that after the whole

805
00:37:31,884 --> 00:37:34,412
massacre, she walks in and sees her

806
00:37:34,452 --> 00:37:37,092
father, brains on the floor.

807
00:37:37,172 --> 00:37:39,924
And she was 19 at the

808
00:37:39,948 --> 00:37:42,404
time. Ellie is 19 in present

809
00:37:42,508 --> 00:37:44,402
day. You have that.

810
00:37:44,782 --> 00:37:47,282
But before,

811
00:37:48,222 --> 00:37:50,950
the other thing. And, and I said this

812
00:37:51,006 --> 00:37:53,670
last week and I don't think

813
00:37:53,726 --> 00:37:56,630
people understood me. And I totally get why,

814
00:37:56,686 --> 00:37:59,542
but I hope people are starting to follow me

815
00:37:59,582 --> 00:38:02,550
a little bit closely now when I say

816
00:38:02,606 --> 00:38:05,414
that therapy session is far more important than

817
00:38:05,438 --> 00:38:07,762
you even realize. Because

818
00:38:08,312 --> 00:38:10,784
there is also the moment in the

819
00:38:10,808 --> 00:38:12,848
therapy session where we talk about

820
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,744
Eugene, who is a

821
00:38:15,768 --> 00:38:18,592
character who. I think we might

822
00:38:18,632 --> 00:38:21,232
get a flashback episode. The amount of

823
00:38:21,352 --> 00:38:24,272
times we've talked about Eugene in that episode

824
00:38:24,352 --> 00:38:27,344
and this episode, I'm just like, did you

825
00:38:27,368 --> 00:38:30,304
guys do a random. This isn't a part of the

826
00:38:30,328 --> 00:38:33,264
game, but a story that needs like. And we get to

827
00:38:33,288 --> 00:38:34,772
bring back Pedro.

828
00:38:36,702 --> 00:38:39,506
So. But, they bring up,

829
00:38:39,658 --> 00:38:42,110
they bring up Eugene because

830
00:38:42,490 --> 00:38:45,430
that is the therapist

831
00:38:45,850 --> 00:38:48,418
dead husband who Joel had to

832
00:38:48,474 --> 00:38:49,070
kill.

833
00:38:49,530 --> 00:38:52,480
>> Sarah : Again. And she says, I hate you.

834
00:38:53,420 --> 00:38:55,956
And with a lot of venom. Catherine

835
00:38:55,988 --> 00:38:58,692
O'Hare at her finest. And a lot of

836
00:38:58,716 --> 00:39:01,396
hostility and anger. Very

837
00:39:01,468 --> 00:39:04,340
similar to what Abby is doing. The

838
00:39:04,380 --> 00:39:06,800
difference is you got an older woman,

839
00:39:09,100 --> 00:39:11,700
a military trained person

840
00:39:11,820 --> 00:39:14,692
who's like, at all costs I have to do

841
00:39:14,716 --> 00:39:16,240
this. So

842
00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:20,228
again, you have. In both of those

843
00:39:20,284 --> 00:39:22,600
interactions, you have Joel

844
00:39:23,020 --> 00:39:25,332
kind of come face to face with

845
00:39:25,436 --> 00:39:27,110
people. Like,

846
00:39:28,850 --> 00:39:31,690
it's interesting. He carries that torch for

847
00:39:31,730 --> 00:39:34,346
Sarah. Right. His Daughter. His

848
00:39:34,418 --> 00:39:35,946
biological daughter.

849
00:39:36,138 --> 00:39:36,874
>> Will: Yep.

850
00:39:37,002 --> 00:39:39,150
>> Sarah : He saves Ellie,

851
00:39:39,650 --> 00:39:41,946
but by saving Ellie, he also

852
00:39:42,018 --> 00:39:44,858
inadvertently pushes her further away from

853
00:39:44,914 --> 00:39:47,710
him because of the lie.

854
00:39:48,610 --> 00:39:51,338
And. And then you have these

855
00:39:51,394 --> 00:39:53,750
two characters who

856
00:39:55,410 --> 00:39:58,186
he. He took something away from them.

857
00:39:58,258 --> 00:40:01,082
Just like the people in the first episode took

858
00:40:01,106 --> 00:40:02,870
Sarah away from him.

859
00:40:04,130 --> 00:40:06,730
He took Eugene and

860
00:40:06,850 --> 00:40:09,658
Abby's dad away from them. So

861
00:40:09,794 --> 00:40:10,870
it's just.

862
00:40:12,770 --> 00:40:15,310
It's just really interesting

863
00:40:15,890 --> 00:40:18,710
how they are.

864
00:40:19,590 --> 00:40:21,770
this show and this story

865
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:24,850
deals with not only grief,

866
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:28,718
but also you're going through

867
00:40:28,774 --> 00:40:31,678
the nine stages of grief, and some of us

868
00:40:31,734 --> 00:40:33,490
get stuck at anger.

869
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:36,430
>> Will: Yeah. Yes,

870
00:40:36,590 --> 00:40:37,262
yes.

871
00:40:37,406 --> 00:40:39,694
>> Sarah : Because to your point, her.

872
00:40:39,782 --> 00:40:41,330
Abby's followers,

873
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:44,970
they did not want to be there.

874
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,088
Owen even said he's like, my plan

875
00:40:52,144 --> 00:40:54,728
is to convince her out of this. We're not going into

876
00:40:54,784 --> 00:40:57,736
Jackson. And then luck has it, but even

877
00:40:57,808 --> 00:41:00,546
when we. When we, come back and

878
00:41:00,698 --> 00:41:03,490
the golf club is broken and all

879
00:41:03,530 --> 00:41:06,514
you see is just her punching Joel in the face

880
00:41:06,602 --> 00:41:09,586
and. And you can see the looks on their faces like they're

881
00:41:09,618 --> 00:41:12,080
like, this should have ended

882
00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:13,876
20 minutes ago. Ago.

883
00:41:14,028 --> 00:41:16,836
>> Will: Oh, yeah, yeah. And how they treated, you know, and

884
00:41:16,908 --> 00:41:19,412
how they. With Dina as well. I mean, as far

885
00:41:19,436 --> 00:41:22,382
as, another putting her

886
00:41:22,406 --> 00:41:25,246
to sleep, which is another change from the game through the.

887
00:41:25,318 --> 00:41:27,850
To the TV show M. But,

888
00:41:28,058 --> 00:41:30,912
But yeah, yeah. And even after. Yeah. but then like when

889
00:41:30,936 --> 00:41:33,872
Abby was just like, you know, put

890
00:41:33,896 --> 00:41:36,608
her. You know, you know, whenever I think she

891
00:41:36,664 --> 00:41:39,652
threatened the, the. The team's medic, you know, to do it or

892
00:41:39,676 --> 00:41:42,036
she was gonna like, crack some heads anyway, so.

893
00:41:42,188 --> 00:41:45,044
>> Sarah : Oh, yeah. Like Abby was.

894
00:41:45,212 --> 00:41:47,988
Do what I say. This is my

895
00:41:48,044 --> 00:41:50,580
moment. Don't it up or I'll kill

896
00:41:50,620 --> 00:41:51,200
you.

897
00:41:55,580 --> 00:41:58,420
It's It was done very well

898
00:41:58,540 --> 00:42:01,070
and I. I.

899
00:42:01,450 --> 00:42:04,434
To kind of go into the siege

900
00:42:04,482 --> 00:42:07,430
of it all that parallels,

901
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,648
the Joel's death. I

902
00:42:10,704 --> 00:42:13,020
kind of. I kind of appreciate

903
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,696
how. How

904
00:42:16,768 --> 00:42:18,820
we have also

905
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,990
this, siege of infected,

906
00:42:22,832 --> 00:42:25,590
on Jackson occurred her. Because

907
00:42:27,490 --> 00:42:29,434
I don't want to use the word

908
00:42:29,562 --> 00:42:32,330
distraction, but

909
00:42:32,450 --> 00:42:34,666
it just allowed this

910
00:42:34,738 --> 00:42:37,190
episode to have

911
00:42:37,890 --> 00:42:40,378
be because they couldn't have

912
00:42:40,434 --> 00:42:43,402
stretched the Abby and Joel stuff out

913
00:42:43,506 --> 00:42:46,458
any. Any further. Like, I feel like the

914
00:42:46,514 --> 00:42:49,514
timing, the length of that whole sequence was.

915
00:42:49,602 --> 00:42:52,226
Was good. especially just

916
00:42:52,298 --> 00:42:54,962
how they inadvertently, because of the

917
00:42:54,986 --> 00:42:57,698
patrols get come across her and

918
00:42:57,754 --> 00:43:00,706
everything. So you have to have some sort

919
00:43:00,738 --> 00:43:03,698
of action balancing it. That's what I'm

920
00:43:03,714 --> 00:43:06,290
trying to get out. So. Which we

921
00:43:06,330 --> 00:43:09,202
had. Now, I will admit

922
00:43:09,346 --> 00:43:12,082
a lot of that time I spent thinking to

923
00:43:12,106 --> 00:43:14,674
myself, man, I miss

924
00:43:14,842 --> 00:43:17,602
Game of m Thrones season 5 with all of the

925
00:43:17,626 --> 00:43:20,514
white walks Walker action beyond

926
00:43:20,562 --> 00:43:23,278
the Wall. Because this just took me right

927
00:43:23,334 --> 00:43:25,130
back there, Will.

928
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:30,270
>> Will: Yeah, I saw. I saw that in the show notes and I was just

929
00:43:30,310 --> 00:43:33,246
like, yeah, seriously. Yeah, yeah, I.

930
00:43:33,318 --> 00:43:35,768
I laughed because, Because, you know, that

931
00:43:35,824 --> 00:43:38,664
definitely didn't watch Drones, but I have, you know, again, seeing

932
00:43:38,712 --> 00:43:41,704
cut scenes and stuff. I. You know, you can't be around,

933
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,376
without seeing that stuff. and also,

934
00:43:44,528 --> 00:43:47,480
I also fault, the orcs in, And. And

935
00:43:47,584 --> 00:43:48,888
the Lord of the Rings.

936
00:43:49,048 --> 00:43:49,576
>> Sarah : Yep.

937
00:43:49,672 --> 00:43:52,488
>> Will: As well. I mean, just any of those big, classic

938
00:43:52,568 --> 00:43:54,776
set pieces where there's been, you know,

939
00:43:54,832 --> 00:43:57,686
massive, Massive, Siege.

940
00:43:57,782 --> 00:44:00,592
Siege, of. Of a. Of. Of a particular

941
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,536
place. But. Yeah, but you're right. I mean,

942
00:44:03,592 --> 00:44:06,592
I think I didn't like the way. Because, you know, Jackson itself

943
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,440
has been a character in the show and. And

944
00:44:09,464 --> 00:44:12,320
we, you know, and I really like the way they set things up, you

945
00:44:12,344 --> 00:44:15,214
know, with, You know, they had the. Had the meeting,

946
00:44:15,286 --> 00:44:17,738
you know, Tommy's, you know, did stay back.

947
00:44:18,018 --> 00:44:20,842
you know, and they were starting to prep

948
00:44:20,890 --> 00:44:23,850
because they had. Had. Had, you know,

949
00:44:24,034 --> 00:44:26,228
concerns about some of the,

950
00:44:27,838 --> 00:44:30,418
cordyceps. People. Infected people,

951
00:44:30,738 --> 00:44:33,328
you know, encroaching. there was. I didn't

952
00:44:33,408 --> 00:44:36,310
see. Now, didn't they have the. Didn't they, like, shoot

953
00:44:36,344 --> 00:44:37,718
chair? Like.

954
00:44:38,578 --> 00:44:41,290
>> Sarah : And then Jesse

955
00:44:41,354 --> 00:44:44,330
said something about. Gave

956
00:44:44,394 --> 00:44:47,306
a justification for why they were doing that

957
00:44:47,362 --> 00:44:48,838
drill in the morning.

958
00:44:49,138 --> 00:44:49,918
>> Will: Yeah.

959
00:44:50,418 --> 00:44:53,158
>> Sarah : And they stumbled upon something.

960
00:44:53,698 --> 00:44:56,648
And, But. But. But it

961
00:44:56,688 --> 00:44:59,688
goes. Technically, it goes back to the

962
00:44:59,728 --> 00:45:02,168
end of last episode where that. There's that

963
00:45:02,208 --> 00:45:05,010
pipe and the network that kind

964
00:45:05,034 --> 00:45:07,238
of sounds off the alarm.

965
00:45:08,458 --> 00:45:11,458
>> Will: Yeah. But, Yeah, because I know they. Because I couldn't remember. M.

966
00:45:11,458 --> 00:45:14,322
I know that, because they had the. Obviously the,

967
00:45:14,962 --> 00:45:17,946
infected were like, using other bodies to, like,

968
00:45:18,034 --> 00:45:20,952
keep themselves warm. and we see that later

969
00:45:20,992 --> 00:45:23,928
when, of course, when Abby, like, stumbles upon it whenever

970
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,744
she's out in the. In the woods and stuff. And, you

971
00:45:26,768 --> 00:45:29,704
know, of course they chase her, but you're, you know, but.

972
00:45:29,808 --> 00:45:32,440
And of course, because it is a

973
00:45:32,576 --> 00:45:35,538
hive network, whenever they did break

974
00:45:35,610 --> 00:45:38,450
the pipe in this episode and it

975
00:45:38,506 --> 00:45:41,232
messed with the, things that just set off the alarm. So, of course,

976
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,508
yeah, we just. Turks

977
00:45:45,288 --> 00:45:48,032
proceeded to have everything happen that we saw

978
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,120
happen in this episode. And. And just seeing how

979
00:45:51,144 --> 00:45:53,922
the people of Jackson, you know, just. They had the

980
00:45:53,930 --> 00:45:56,866
drills as far as, like, going to the sellers and how. How the town

981
00:45:56,922 --> 00:45:59,778
really had, like, fortified and was prepared for this

982
00:45:59,818 --> 00:46:02,450
moment. but then to see it as it

983
00:46:02,474 --> 00:46:04,908
happens and it's as it transpires.

984
00:46:05,594 --> 00:46:07,790
and. And they get overrun.

985
00:46:08,110 --> 00:46:10,854
and. And how the people react, like you know, the

986
00:46:10,862 --> 00:46:13,622
flamethrower guys, you know, they were standing there with

987
00:46:13,646 --> 00:46:16,502
Tommy, and then, you know, a couple of them ran off. I

988
00:46:16,526 --> 00:46:19,404
mean, and. And. And just the tactics that

989
00:46:19,412 --> 00:46:22,300
they discussed, like the high, you know, make sure don't be in the, you know,

990
00:46:22,340 --> 00:46:25,068
high ground. But of course, that still wasn't safe because the quarter

991
00:46:25,124 --> 00:46:28,108
steps still came in. I mean, it was just so many

992
00:46:28,164 --> 00:46:30,956
things. So it was like you had two gut

993
00:46:30,988 --> 00:46:33,420
punches going on at once, because you. You know,

994
00:46:33,460 --> 00:46:36,412
we. Even though we haven't spent that much time

995
00:46:36,436 --> 00:46:39,404
in Jackson, we spent enough time to understand the community

996
00:46:39,492 --> 00:46:42,124
nature of it and. And. And how.

997
00:46:42,292 --> 00:46:45,000
>> Sarah : Yeah, well, I was just gonna say

998
00:46:45,380 --> 00:46:48,300
we. I think what they did in this episode was

999
00:46:48,340 --> 00:46:50,748
really so. And. And probably why

1000
00:46:50,804 --> 00:46:53,596
they. One of the reasons why I think

1001
00:46:53,668 --> 00:46:56,140
the change from the game worked is

1002
00:46:56,180 --> 00:46:58,588
that you really

1003
00:46:58,724 --> 00:47:01,628
focus so much on Tommy throughout this

1004
00:47:01,684 --> 00:47:04,060
entire sequence. And we're connected to

1005
00:47:04,100 --> 00:47:06,828
Tommy because we've known Tommy since day

1006
00:47:06,884 --> 00:47:09,578
one. and we know, like, Tommy's

1007
00:47:09,594 --> 00:47:12,250
important to us because Tommy's important to Joel and

1008
00:47:12,290 --> 00:47:15,034
Ellie. And, like,

1009
00:47:15,122 --> 00:47:17,850
you see him. And. And while you were

1010
00:47:17,890 --> 00:47:20,710
talking about everything, I just kept thinking about

1011
00:47:21,010 --> 00:47:23,498
the ending where Marie and

1012
00:47:23,554 --> 00:47:26,430
Tommy in the middle of town square,

1013
00:47:27,010 --> 00:47:29,530
like, embrace each other. And you see

1014
00:47:29,570 --> 00:47:32,298
Tommy break down. And it's just like,

1015
00:47:32,434 --> 00:47:35,386
we prepared. We. We had our

1016
00:47:35,458 --> 00:47:38,250
stuff, and yet they still got through, and

1017
00:47:38,290 --> 00:47:40,762
there's still all this death and carnage. And

1018
00:47:40,786 --> 00:47:43,476
it's, I mean, when you brought up the people who

1019
00:47:43,548 --> 00:47:46,080
ran away, it's. It's. It was.

1020
00:47:46,380 --> 00:47:48,996
I think why they showed that

1021
00:47:49,068 --> 00:47:52,068
moment of embrace between Marie and Tommy was

1022
00:47:52,124 --> 00:47:54,980
really like, to get. Get that

1023
00:47:55,020 --> 00:47:57,108
idea that these people were

1024
00:47:57,164 --> 00:47:59,988
prepared, yet they

1025
00:48:00,044 --> 00:48:02,356
were not prepared for the death and

1026
00:48:02,428 --> 00:48:05,268
destruction that would occur if this

1027
00:48:05,324 --> 00:48:06,186
happened.

1028
00:48:06,348 --> 00:48:06,720
>> Will: Yeah.

1029
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:09,400
>> Sarah : so. So, like, the reality of

1030
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,238
it, and then. And I.

1031
00:48:12,294 --> 00:48:14,862
And I'm glad that it's not like,

1032
00:48:15,046 --> 00:48:18,030
the editing of the episode would switch back and

1033
00:48:18,070 --> 00:48:19,038
forth too much.

1034
00:48:19,094 --> 00:48:19,358
>> Will: Right.

1035
00:48:19,414 --> 00:48:22,206
>> Sarah : It felt very clean that it's like,

1036
00:48:22,278 --> 00:48:24,958
no, we're gonna see this whole Jackson

1037
00:48:25,054 --> 00:48:27,982
sequence through, and then we're gonna

1038
00:48:28,046 --> 00:48:30,782
start. We're gonna return to the ski lodge.

1039
00:48:30,846 --> 00:48:33,462
Like, I think that the

1040
00:48:33,566 --> 00:48:35,062
editing of the different

1041
00:48:35,166 --> 00:48:37,896
storylines, was done

1042
00:48:37,968 --> 00:48:40,760
really, really well to

1043
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,416
not make you get whiplash and to

1044
00:48:43,488 --> 00:48:46,376
arguably, like, okay, well, that's

1045
00:48:46,408 --> 00:48:49,176
a gut punch, granted, a small

1046
00:48:49,248 --> 00:48:51,976
one. And then now we're gonna really just

1047
00:48:52,048 --> 00:48:54,834
hit you in the face, with it,

1048
00:48:54,922 --> 00:48:56,920
which. Which is

1049
00:48:58,660 --> 00:49:01,164
like, some of you.

1050
00:49:01,332 --> 00:49:04,300
I. I hope you realize a lot of people back in

1051
00:49:04,340 --> 00:49:06,520
2020 experienced that

1052
00:49:07,860 --> 00:49:10,730
whole different level, and they

1053
00:49:10,770 --> 00:49:13,350
still had 20 hours of gameplay left.

1054
00:49:13,730 --> 00:49:14,590
Yep.

1055
00:49:15,890 --> 00:49:18,394
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. But,

1056
00:49:18,562 --> 00:49:21,498
yeah, I'm glad you're right. I'm glad you brought that up too,

1057
00:49:21,554 --> 00:49:24,432
because, But they did one thing that they

1058
00:49:24,456 --> 00:49:26,960
did do, to weave the

1059
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,520
two pieces together was the, the

1060
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,510
moment, when they were back at the lodge. And then

1061
00:49:32,550 --> 00:49:35,374
Joel, you know, because they set up, you know, they bring in the

1062
00:49:35,382 --> 00:49:38,270
blizzard. I mean, everything about it just really, you know, set

1063
00:49:38,310 --> 00:49:41,294
up really well, because they have the blizzard, the radio, the

1064
00:49:41,302 --> 00:49:43,902
radio issues. And then, you know,

1065
00:49:43,926 --> 00:49:46,814
they finally, you know, and then the, and then we have the

1066
00:49:46,822 --> 00:49:49,802
moment there in the lodge and they're looking back and you're know. And about that

1067
00:49:49,826 --> 00:49:52,650
point, they have used the firebombs. And so you

1068
00:49:52,690 --> 00:49:55,562
see the, you know, Joel seeing that, and then, you know,

1069
00:49:55,586 --> 00:49:58,202
he's at his final moments at the same time. I mean, again, it was

1070
00:49:58,226 --> 00:50:00,954
just, I think, you know, getting back to like.

1071
00:50:01,042 --> 00:50:03,680
>> Sarah : Yeah, sorry, but I want to point this

1072
00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:06,272
out. And so not to

1073
00:50:06,376 --> 00:50:09,376
rub salt in a wound or anything, but

1074
00:50:09,528 --> 00:50:12,208
he dies without knowing if

1075
00:50:12,264 --> 00:50:13,340
Tommy lives.

1076
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:14,420
>> Will: Yes.

1077
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:18,734
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. And, and,

1078
00:50:18,822 --> 00:50:21,726
and isn't that kind of how Joel started

1079
00:50:21,798 --> 00:50:24,590
on this whole course? He, yeah, he, he

1080
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:27,582
was, he was protecting Ellie, but he

1081
00:50:27,606 --> 00:50:30,510
only came across Ellie because he was trying to get to Tommy.

1082
00:50:30,590 --> 00:50:31,902
>> Will: He's trying to get to Tommy. Yeah.

1083
00:50:31,966 --> 00:50:32,206
>> Sarah : Yeah.

1084
00:50:32,238 --> 00:50:35,038
>> Will: Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1085
00:50:35,134 --> 00:50:37,566
And that, and, and that's what I was going to say. I mean, and that's

1086
00:50:37,598 --> 00:50:40,222
why this episode was just so

1087
00:50:40,246 --> 00:50:42,926
impactful for me, because of all those

1088
00:50:42,998 --> 00:50:45,792
threads that they pulled together. So, yes,

1089
00:50:45,926 --> 00:50:48,700
the Joel death was clearly the moment that

1090
00:50:48,740 --> 00:50:51,708
everybody, at least that many people knew

1091
00:50:51,724 --> 00:50:54,684
about. Many people did not know about,

1092
00:50:54,852 --> 00:50:57,820
but people who look like me, who did know about it. But then how they

1093
00:50:57,860 --> 00:51:00,572
executed it in this medium and how they did it in this

1094
00:51:00,596 --> 00:51:03,580
episode, that's why it was so. The

1095
00:51:03,620 --> 00:51:06,492
whole thing. And I didn't really, you know, I really, I didn't want to get too much

1096
00:51:06,516 --> 00:51:09,260
into it when we were texting Sunday night. That's why this

1097
00:51:09,300 --> 00:51:11,480
episode just like, got me.

1098
00:51:12,550 --> 00:51:15,278
Because of all the. All, all of this is

1099
00:51:15,334 --> 00:51:18,190
really at the. Is why it just worked.

1100
00:51:18,270 --> 00:51:21,182
It just touched me on such a level and where I just like after

1101
00:51:21,206 --> 00:51:24,142
it was over, I just, like, I just sat in the chair. I

1102
00:51:24,166 --> 00:51:26,910
didn't cry. I just, just. It was just more, just more of

1103
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:29,822
us. Like, wow. It was, it

1104
00:51:29,846 --> 00:51:32,734
was, it was. You know, whenever we were reviewing paradise and we

1105
00:51:32,742 --> 00:51:35,630
were talking about episode seven. Spoiler alert for, for

1106
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:38,454
folks. but that was another one of

1107
00:51:38,462 --> 00:51:41,462
those TV shows because of the events that transpire in

1108
00:51:41,486 --> 00:51:44,466
it. You just sit afterwards and, And, and that's

1109
00:51:44,498 --> 00:51:46,550
where I was was with this episode.

1110
00:51:47,690 --> 00:51:50,190
>> Sarah : I do want to say that,

1111
00:51:50,810 --> 00:51:53,650
my favorite action sequence of this

1112
00:51:53,690 --> 00:51:56,610
episode and arguably in

1113
00:51:56,650 --> 00:51:59,538
a long time, because I don't really

1114
00:51:59,594 --> 00:52:02,312
call out action sequences, was

1115
00:52:02,416 --> 00:52:03,900
the fence sequence.

1116
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:05,496
>> Will: Oh, yeah.

1117
00:52:05,528 --> 00:52:08,232
>> Sarah : I thought the fence sequence was so great.

1118
00:52:08,416 --> 00:52:11,208
And I'm like, well, thank God she's not any

1119
00:52:11,264 --> 00:52:14,200
bigger. Because then I couldn't believe. And

1120
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:17,208
yes, and yes, during that time I was like, how is

1121
00:52:17,264 --> 00:52:20,008
she not getting scratched at all? But then again,

1122
00:52:20,144 --> 00:52:23,060
but just for whatever reason,

1123
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,632
I really liked Arguably just straight

1124
00:52:26,696 --> 00:52:29,482
when, when she's running away to climbing up the

1125
00:52:29,506 --> 00:52:32,138
ladder and then, and then she gets into that

1126
00:52:32,194 --> 00:52:35,066
fence and you're just like, okay. And then they come

1127
00:52:35,138 --> 00:52:38,122
and then like I was like, oh my God,

1128
00:52:38,186 --> 00:52:40,910
we're, we're still stuck in the fence.

1129
00:52:41,410 --> 00:52:44,250
And arguably it goes. But there's such an

1130
00:52:44,290 --> 00:52:47,150
intensity about it that I'm like, whoa.

1131
00:52:47,570 --> 00:52:50,282
>> Will: Yeah, it was, I think there was a jump scare in that, in that

1132
00:52:50,306 --> 00:52:53,242
sequence. And it did, I did have, I did have that, I

1133
00:52:53,266 --> 00:52:56,168
did jump, during that, that fence sequence because I was like, oh

1134
00:52:56,184 --> 00:52:59,140
God. Yeah. I mean, this episode, again, it's like

1135
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,568
works on so many levels that even if,

1136
00:53:04,624 --> 00:53:07,352
you know, even with the, with the Joel of it

1137
00:53:07,376 --> 00:53:10,264
all, there's still so many other things that like as you just referenced

1138
00:53:10,312 --> 00:53:13,240
with the fence sequence, I mean there's just so many things in it that just

1139
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,232
make it such, just a, just a very powerful

1140
00:53:16,296 --> 00:53:17,420
hour of television.

1141
00:53:20,060 --> 00:53:22,836
>> Sarah : I'm assuming because you've, you listened to

1142
00:53:22,908 --> 00:53:25,680
other things post watching the episode that,

1143
00:53:25,810 --> 00:53:28,610
what I'm about to say has been known, but

1144
00:53:28,650 --> 00:53:31,234
I'm curious if you recognized her voice.

1145
00:53:31,282 --> 00:53:34,162
But at the time of watching the episode, did you know

1146
00:53:34,186 --> 00:53:37,010
that that was Ashley Johnson who played Ellie in the

1147
00:53:37,050 --> 00:53:39,580
game, singing, that song?

1148
00:53:40,610 --> 00:53:43,578
>> Will: I did not, but I obviously learned afterwards. Yeah,

1149
00:53:43,594 --> 00:53:46,480
and that was. Yeah, yeah. And I obviously tried play it

1150
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,392
earlier, but I didn't, did not tell you with you in our

1151
00:53:49,416 --> 00:53:51,980
pre production meeting that I was going to do that.

1152
00:53:53,310 --> 00:53:56,262
>> Sarah : no, no, he did not. And, and it threw me

1153
00:53:56,286 --> 00:53:58,250
off because I was just worried.

1154
00:53:58,670 --> 00:54:01,392
>> Will: Yeah, I thought, yeah, I,

1155
00:54:01,496 --> 00:54:04,448
I, I thought about. Because I remember a comment you shared

1156
00:54:04,464 --> 00:54:07,264
with me one time wherever you're like, I thought you're gonna play a song, so I was going to

1157
00:54:07,272 --> 00:54:08,660
surprise you with it tonight.

1158
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,272
>> Sarah : but I, that

1159
00:54:14,456 --> 00:54:17,376
that touch was really clever and

1160
00:54:17,448 --> 00:54:19,940
really good for a few different reasons.

1161
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:23,950
and I think that the lyrics of

1162
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:26,330
that song are just,

1163
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:29,502
just so important in terms of the themes

1164
00:54:29,566 --> 00:54:32,526
and the story that they are telling. Right.

1165
00:54:32,598 --> 00:54:34,850
Now, so.

1166
00:54:34,970 --> 00:54:37,862
So it, it's. Yeah,

1167
00:54:37,926 --> 00:54:40,742
they. Overall, this is a

1168
00:54:40,766 --> 00:54:43,550
really solid episode. I don't know if it's,

1169
00:54:44,070 --> 00:54:46,974
I have some qualms about it, but I'm. No, I

1170
00:54:46,982 --> 00:54:49,854
don't want to spoil. I don't want to get into my qualms about it

1171
00:54:49,862 --> 00:54:52,702
and be a Debbie Downer. I try to. I'm trying to

1172
00:54:52,726 --> 00:54:55,330
talk more positively about things. Guys.

1173
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:59,598
>> Will: No, no, no. I mean, I mean there were some things. Yeah,

1174
00:54:59,614 --> 00:55:02,302
there were, you know, there, there were some conveniences as

1175
00:55:02,326 --> 00:55:05,072
always, but. But at the end of the day they, they

1176
00:55:05,096 --> 00:55:07,840
removed, they removed the plot armor when, when, you know,

1177
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,770
that, that many, people thought that honestly,

1178
00:55:10,834 --> 00:55:13,778
given that it was Pedro Pascal and he, you know, he is

1179
00:55:13,818 --> 00:55:16,754
the reason why a lot many people tune

1180
00:55:16,786 --> 00:55:19,440
into this show. you know,

1181
00:55:19,544 --> 00:55:21,868
they, you know, thought to your point,

1182
00:55:22,488 --> 00:55:25,344
they did not create a bunch of unnecessary

1183
00:55:25,376 --> 00:55:27,788
plot armor to, you know, to try to keep.

1184
00:55:28,168 --> 00:55:31,160
Keep their popular, star in the show. To, you

1185
00:55:31,184 --> 00:55:34,138
know, to again bring another Game of Thrones reference. you know,

1186
00:55:34,258 --> 00:55:36,890
it's hbo, so, you know, there's the net stark of it

1187
00:55:36,914 --> 00:55:37,478
all.

1188
00:55:38,978 --> 00:55:41,236
>> Sarah : Yeah, they.

1189
00:55:41,372 --> 00:55:44,084
Yeah, I wasn't talking

1190
00:55:44,116 --> 00:55:46,868
about that. But, but yeah, anyways.

1191
00:55:47,028 --> 00:55:49,828
>> Will: No, no, no, I'm just. I know you're not talking about that.

1192
00:55:49,868 --> 00:55:51,408
>> Sarah : Yeah, no, no,

1193
00:55:55,958 --> 00:55:58,750
>> Will: But I was. But that was one of. That was one I was gonna

1194
00:55:58,774 --> 00:56:01,694
say before we move on. That was one of my. I guess

1195
00:56:01,726 --> 00:56:04,590
that was when for me that I, I

1196
00:56:04,614 --> 00:56:07,510
fell into that camp, thinking, oh,

1197
00:56:08,250 --> 00:56:11,164
they are gonna keep. They're gonna stretch this out to, you know, it's a

1198
00:56:11,172 --> 00:56:14,076
seven episode season, so yeah, it'll probably happen. But I figured

1199
00:56:14,108 --> 00:56:16,972
it was gonna happen like episode four or five or, you

1200
00:56:16,996 --> 00:56:19,852
know, not necessarily like, because again, you

1201
00:56:19,876 --> 00:56:22,726
know, if only have seen cutscenes

1202
00:56:22,758 --> 00:56:25,670
and stuff and not played the game. You know,

1203
00:56:25,710 --> 00:56:28,198
it happens, but you don't necessarily

1204
00:56:28,374 --> 00:56:31,270
know when it happens in, you know, in, in the

1205
00:56:31,310 --> 00:56:34,288
game. so. So yeah, that's. That's

1206
00:56:34,304 --> 00:56:37,072
the danger. That's the, that's the danger of

1207
00:56:37,096 --> 00:56:39,700
sometimes knowing a little without knowing the context.

1208
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,056
>> Sarah : I only saw cutscenes.

1209
00:56:43,248 --> 00:56:44,780
>> Will: I know, but. But

1210
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,740
I'm not saying you. Sarah, I'm saying like,

1211
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,992
I know you kn. But you know, it's like I'm just

1212
00:56:54,016 --> 00:56:56,820
like, you're okay, you're sounding like the person I read the book.

1213
00:56:58,240 --> 00:56:59,740
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah.

1214
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,834
No, yeah. Anything

1215
00:57:03,882 --> 00:57:05,190
else before we go?

1216
00:57:05,650 --> 00:57:08,378
>> Will: No, no. Yeah, I think we're

1217
00:57:08,394 --> 00:57:08,858
good.

1218
00:57:08,994 --> 00:57:11,936
>> Sarah : I think we're good too. on that note,

1219
00:57:11,968 --> 00:57:14,368
Will, why don't you tell our listeners where they can find

1220
00:57:14,424 --> 00:57:15,020
you.

1221
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,760
>> Will: Yeah, you can, you can find me on all the socials at, ah,

1222
00:57:18,770 --> 00:57:21,700
Will and Pope. W I l l mp o l.

1223
00:57:21,740 --> 00:57:24,638
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