Peacemaker Series Finale Issues + Gen V's Biggest Surprise

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>> Will: Foreign.

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>> Sarah : Nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah

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Belmont, and with me, as always, is our Mr.

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Producer, Will Polk How are you doing tonight,

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Will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. How are you doing this

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evening?

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>> Sarah : Doing fine. I mean, it's Wednesday and I'm so used

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to recording on Mondays that I'm.

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>> Will: Oh, I know.

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>> Sarah : Man, this week is taking forever.

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>> Will: Yep. Yeah, I know, I know. Well, I was, I was

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traveling some for work, and, and then we were

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supposed to record last night, but, you know, the

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jet lag, kicked my ass. So here we are, Wednesday

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night.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, here. Here we are. And, before we got

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onto the show, I will freely admit, I clicked on,

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unknowingly clicked on September 15 rundown that

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we did like a month ago, thinking, like, not even

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registered. And then I, I, I went to a different,

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different tab on my browser. And then when I

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returned, I like, read the start. I'm like, we're

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not talking about Dune 2. I was like, I'm in the

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wrong rundown.

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>> Will: Wrong rundown. Run down.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're, we know. We're not. We're

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wrapping up Peacemaker, and then we're continuing

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on the Gen V road. and, and then next week we get

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to start severance. So. Yes, season two. Okay,

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everybody. And no, nobody say you have to watch

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season one. We have watched season one. We just

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never talked about it in depth.

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>> Will: Exactly. Exactly.

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>> Sarah : And we also watched it like. Well, me, I, I

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watched it maybe two, three years ago, so there's.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, there's that little thing too. Yeah,

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I, I am, I am planning on doing a re. Watch this

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this week just to refresh my memory because it's

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been, it's been a minute, so.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, I, I am not planning on, I am planning

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on them doing, previously on. And then be like,

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cool. Okay. Because I, I don't know. I mean, they,

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it takes so long for shows to get produced that I

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kind of feel like, you know, I, I'd rather go into

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the new season, however long of a time in between,

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and just, just call it good. I mean, this season

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only just premiered back in January of this year,

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so. Yeah, yeah, it would have been very similar

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had I, had I just watched it in January. So. But

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anyway, Peacemaker, the season finale, slash,

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probably series finale. It's still a bit murky,

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but all for, for all gun and purposes, it's the

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series finale. Season two, episode eight, Full

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Nelson as Flag puts everyone around him in

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increasing danger. The 11th street kids must

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Convince Peacemaker that he's one of them. Okay.

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Will, what do you think about this finale?

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>> Will: So my overall thoughts on the finale. I know

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there's been a lot of discussion about it and. And

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all that, but personally, I will say my real time

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reaction when I was watching it was I was. For the

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first bit of it, I was like, huh? And then. And

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then whenever they got to the big moment the that

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was when I was like, okay, I, you know, I. I was

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like, better. And then by the end with it all, I

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was just like. When it finished, I kind of sat

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with it for a minute and I was like, you know

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what? I was okay with it. I really was. And, And.

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And maybe this is just part of the benefit of just

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sort of like, not being like, so on social media

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as much as I used to, you know, and hearing, like,

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how James. You know, because I think people were

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expecting the big, you know, big reveals or, you

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know, and I know, apparently, I guess Gun must

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have hyped it up on threads or whatever. But I

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was. I was. I, you know, I. I wasn't like, going.

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I didn't really go into it, like, expecting

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anything like Superman showing up or anything like

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that. I was sort of like, okay, this episode in

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many ways felt like an epilogue.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I, I really hate this episode. And maybe

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wait's a strong word. I don't like it. I don't

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like the season in general, so. And. And I'm. I'm

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not on the side side of like, well, he told me

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Superman was gonna show up. We all know that when

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you say, like, you're not really online to theory

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spiral about that, we all know that I am, like, 25

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degrees removed from that. So not writing this is

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how it should have done. I just like. And I think,

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you know, new while watching it. Sarah's not gonna

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like this because I did montages. There are. I

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checked out so hard by the second montage and. Oh,

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my God. why. Why the song. The song choices

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weren't even good, in my opinion. I'm not. And,

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And I understand that, like, it's all taste and

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preference. that is not my preferred sound. So I

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just. I. I mean. And this is an hour. Okay. And we

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talked about this, and I've mentioned it, how a

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lot of these episodes this season, I'm just like,

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they're going so quickly. And I. And. And in a

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way, I was like, I wanted more. Well, now I'm glad

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he didn't give me more because, yeah, he would

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have just had a montage added on to every single

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episode. My. My last point is just, is something

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that from the Ringiverse van brought up. And when

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I heard him say this, I was like, man, I wish that

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you didn't, because this is exactly why I have an

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issue with montages. He said it. He articulated it

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so well. It's because when you insert a montage,

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it's basically a reliance on that to kind of move

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things along when. And kind of distract the viewer

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from the fact that you don't got a lot more story

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to tell. which is sad, because having gone through

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now two seasons, 16 episodes with these

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characters, These characters are really rich. And

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you're telling me you couldn't tell, like, say

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more, But I could go on. I have a few more other,

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like, nitpicks and just overall annoyance, but

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those were, like, my top big thoughts of just the

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moment. The first montage happened so early in the

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episode, I was like, oh, God.

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>> Will: So, well, let's. Let's break down some parts of

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the episode. I mean, you know, yeah, there's the

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montages. You know, for me, you know, of course,

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we do get the flashback, and. And we get. You

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know, we get the moment on the boat finally. You

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know, we. We've. We've been dancing around the

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boat all season. Chris, like, wants to talk about

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the boat, what happened on the boat. And so we

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finally do, you know, in typical James Gunn

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fashion, we. We do get, We, you know, we get the

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flashback to start off the episode.

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>> Sarah : Well, that's what they've been doing. That's the

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gimmick. But not every episode has started with a

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flashback.

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>> Will: No. All but what? Maybe one or two?

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>> Sarah : I think two. I think the. The two episodes that

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don't start are way more predominantly in world Z.

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And. And I don't. And I swear James Gunn has even

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said that on his podcast about the show that every

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episode starts with flashlight. I'm like, no, it

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doesn't.

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>> Will: I think all but maybe one because, you know,

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because even. You know.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, but. But he. But even saying all but one. He

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didn't say all but one. He said all.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Okay.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Like, I know for sure there's one. There could be

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two. But. Yeah. Anyway. So, like, yeah, because,

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yeah, we knew we were gonna get from the very

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first episode. That completely let me down. But

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you continue.

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>> Will: Yeah. yeah. So it was. It was. It. It played out

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differently than how I anticipated. So I guess

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that's the thing, maybe. And maybe that's why

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people are having maybe that, you know, maybe that

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just set the tone for, for why so many people did

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not like the episode. Because you know, we've

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heard so much about this, this moment and that.

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When it does finally play out, it's like I don't

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know what, you know, everybody had their own, you

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know, fan theory as far as like what happened and,

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and maybe then that it was just basically just a

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moment there between the two of them with Chris

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awkwardly singing and, and, and her just basically

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like you know, shutting down and, and you know,

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basically reacting the way that we see her

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throughout this season whenever they bring up the

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moment and just, just generally around Chris.

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Maybe that's where. Where it it, it started. It

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went off the rails from, from that, from the get.

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>> Sarah : I don't. Yeah, I mean in my opinion, yeah, the

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whole episode was pretty much off the rails. and,

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and even like the, the opportunities were just

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missed in my opinion. and just I, I'm already

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checked out so I'm not going to check back in.

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Things land flat. I don't. I think that in terms

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of this flashback, I was thinking about it earlier

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and the fact that me. And I've said this before,

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I'm a die hard shipper. So you give me a romance,

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I go all in. I'm like. And I root for that. And

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I'm like why don't you give me more of that rather

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than them Punch. Punch. Boom. Bo. So. So this

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coming from somebody who loves love yet I just was

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over this whole dynamic and, and it goes back to

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not, not necessarily how this flashback plays out,

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but the fact that we've basically in present day

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have been viewing this flashback throughout the

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entire season. So by the time they show us the

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flashback it's like, yeah, so why are we like.

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Like there was nothing about the flashback that

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really like, like was like oh, that's interesting.

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>> Will: Ah.

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>> Sarah : That's a that's a conversation that I'm glad we

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got. It was more like retread. Retread. The, the

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one piece of information where I was like can we

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hear more about that Was when Harcourt was

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defending Adrian. That was it. There was one line

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about it was like questioning his. Adrian's

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relationship with Chris. And, and I was like why

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can't we go back to that conversation and just

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explore that like them talking about all ah. Of

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the kids and their dynamic. But I, I just

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everything else it was like we, I feel like we've

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heard this conversation multiple times through

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both perspectives and by the. So to the Point. By

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the time you get the flashback, it, it doesn't

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mean anything.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I, I would agree with that. I mean I,

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and like I said, my opening thoughts. I mean I was

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as the, my, you know, the first three quarters or

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so. Yeah. Two thirds of the episode, I would say.

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Yeah, I was, I was wondering where it was going to

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go and ah. And I think I was, I was underwhelmed

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by the boat. The, the, the, the, the that the

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flashback. I was. I mean I'm not going to sit here

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and try to pretend that I'm not. I agree with you

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that His speech, you know, whatever, whenever they

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were talking about his relationship with Adrian,

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that was that was the one thing that did stand out

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from, from it all. And And, and it also just,

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just, you know, just, just the just the

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cinematography is as far as it was a shot. Really.

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Well, I mean I just like the, I like the setting,

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and all that. But beyond that, the, the, the. It,

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it did. You're right. I mean I felt like, okay,

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this should have been like earlier in the.

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>> Sarah : Season or not at all. Like not at all. Yeah, I, I

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don't, I don't think that. I think that it's more

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interesting when characters bring up conversations

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that are not shown on screen. For example.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : My favorite show last year was this show called

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One Day. Okay.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : It's based off of a book.

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>> Sarah : In both the book and the show, what I found

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fascinating is because each episode takes takes

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place one day in a year. So each episode after,

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once you've finished the first episode, then it's

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a year later. The characters talk about stuff that

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happened during that year, but we don't flash back

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to it.

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>> Will: To it.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. It's like, it's like this is a lived

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in world. You don't feel flashback. So I don't, I

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don't think that. I think at the end of the day,

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in my opinion why the flashback didn't work is

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because we didn't need it.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Because there was so much that led up to this

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relationship. We needed more in the present day to

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get resolution. And and it just, it, it didn't

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work how I think that it should have.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : In terms of their whole relationship this season.

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>> Will: Yeah. I You know what? Now that you've, now that

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you mentioned it, I think you're right. I mean

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this is a bet. This is one of those instances

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where telling is actually better than showing

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because the showing is not what would not like

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ever come Close to the expectation that we've

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gotten built up with the telling that we've seen

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all season.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, they. They. They could have flashback

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to like so many other more interesting things,

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especially with Hardcore. And I think that's

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another reason why I just did not. At the end of

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the day, I'm not a fan of this season, nor this

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finale in particular, is because I have not been

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on Team Hardcore since the first episode this

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season. She used me. She's frustrated me. And I.

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then they write her writer in a way where I'm just

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like, the inconsistency in my opinion or. Or the

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consistency. The point where I'm like, I get it.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I think. Yeah, yeah. I think it's the.

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To me, it was. What I got got from you was more.

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You get it. yeah. And what. You know, carry it

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forward a little bit. and I guess, you know, I

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guess when we went over to Earth X, it was like,

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okay, we. We see, you know, we. We got a different

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of her. You know, Chris's ideal, you know, you

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know, fantasy. Fantasy version of what he would,

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you know, he anticipated with having relationship.

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With having. With Harcourt. But. Yeah, I. I get. I

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get your point.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. And. And. And, to relate it

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specifically to this episode, the absence of

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Chris.

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>> Will: Yes.

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>> Sarah : just. Just led me. I was just like, oh, my God,

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this is a hardcore episode. And then. So when it

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became clear to me after watching the episode that

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this was the more of the series finale makes me

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all that more mad. I'm like, this show is called

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Peacemaker, and Peacemaker was hardly in the final

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episode, like in present day. What the.

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>> Will: Yeah, Or. Or it was a, it was a soft. It was a,

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backdoor palette for Checkmate, which.

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>> Sarah : Okay. The term backdoor pilot. We have seen

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backdoor pilots. I mean, we come from CW land.

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Okay. We know what a backup. This was not a

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backdoor pilot. Because you're. You're telling me

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that backdoor pilot is literally basically a

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montage? No, no, no. The full episode had to be. I

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get the term, but I think it's being applied a bit

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loosely. This was more like. This was more like.

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We finally realized that we actually have an

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ensemble, so we can no longer continue with a show

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called Peacemaker. So we're going to pivot into,

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this. This, Checkmate show where we can actually

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revolve around all of the characters a bit more.

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As we conclude his overall arc and also kind of

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leave him just, like, out there in Purgatory.

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>> Will: Yeah, well, I mean that, you know, he is in

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purgatory. He is in Salvation. But I mean, getting

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back to the point about the, you know, whether or

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not it's going to be a third season or not. I

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mean, it. I think you may have hit on something

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there that he, you know, that if this show does

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continue in whatever format, whether it's animated

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or live action. yeah, I mean, you know, it. It

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could be. It could be, you know, the. The

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Checkmate show and, you know, if somehow Chris

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does come back, or they may just show up in. In

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other properties, you know, just down the line as

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far as maybe the supporting characters.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, Yeah. I mean, we're gonna eventually see how

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they're gonna get Peacemaker out. I don't foresee

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him just indefinitely being stuck there. So they.

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They. They have that tied in Checkmate, though. I

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just want to, like. Because I have to, I guess,

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say, like, a few things. I did, like.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : And. And this is why I'm okay if they want to go

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to Checkmate. It's just one scene. It's not the

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montage scene. It's the one scene between Flory

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and Adrian. Yes. Those two should have their own

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series. I. You know, shame on me, because I guess

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that's the one thing that did surprise me. This.

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This, with this finale, because I. I had not

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already, like, thought to myself what would. A

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conversation between Adrian and Flurry would be,

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but they gave it to me, and I was just like, oh,

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my God. What? Where was this all season?

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>> Will: Yes, yes, yes. That was the. I. L. I did laugh out

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loud with that one. I did. That's where. That's

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where I was like, okay, this is where I had James

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and maybe suffer through some. The whole m.

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Opening theme song for just, you know, And. And

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you. You got me back a little bit with the, With.

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With that scene with Adriana Flurry. I. I will say

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that.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. Which, speaking about the opening

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montage, how mad does it make you the fact that

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when we talked about the first episode this season

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and specifically the montage and we brought up

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that alien guy, that was never.

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>> Will: It was never resolved. No, I, was looking. I was

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like, come on. At least I was hoping he'd show up

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one more time, even if, you know, especially when

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they were, like, doing all the, you know, when

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they were searching for salvation.

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>> Sarah : Oh, that's that search. Oh, my God.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I'm glad he didn't show up during that, because

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that montage was like a nail in the coffin for me.

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>> Will: Yeah, well, when he showed up with the little

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sales expected him to show up in the imp world

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and, like, maybe saving the day or something.

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Whenever. Whenever the imps were, like, taking out

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the team and, you know, you know, and Flurry was,

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like, getting butt in the face by the, by the one

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thing and the, you know, the, the, you know, the

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one thing that, you know, Flurry did care about,

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that kid that did get. Get that they get, killed,

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by the team. so, you know, so it was like I, I

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saw. I did what. I did listen to the, Ringer's

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comment and I heard Van's thoughts on the episode.

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I thought I was like, okay, I agree with. I'm glad

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you brought up his. His. His point about the

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montages and the story because again, I think

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real. You know, before I listen to any podcast or

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any. Anything or anything, I was. My. That was.

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That was part. Part of m. My. My thoughts as well.

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I mean, like I said, I was. At the end of the day,

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I was okay with the. With the finale. I mean, I've

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seen. I mean, I've seen. You know, for Star Trek

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fans, we're all familiar with the finale for the

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show Enterprise, and, And on that show, Spoiler

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alert. If you. If you're a Star Trek fan and you

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haven't. If you're working your way through

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Enterprise, there was a series starring Scott

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Bakula. The. The finale. Spoiler alert. Was an

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episode. It was. It was set in a holodeck, and it.

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And actually they had Will Riker and Deanna Troy

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in that episode. And Riker was going through a

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crisis of confidence or whatever because of a

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decision that he was having to make. And he was

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basically, like, looking at this particular

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mission of the Enterprise, in his holodeck thing.

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And to this day, I am furious about that finale.

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So the Peacemaker season finale or series finale

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is definitely not that I wasn't. I didn't walk

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away from this, like, damn, I wish I got an hour

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of my life back. Unlike the Enterprise finale.

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>> Sarah : Right, right. It's. It's all relative. I mean,

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that's. That's a strong point. And I. I think. And

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that's why I preface my opinion about this finale

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as the things I didn't like about this finale is

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why I don't really care for the season as a whole.

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And. And I know there are moments. I've talked

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about a few of them. The other moment, which we

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have to get into is Adebayo. Adebayo speech. I

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mean, hats off to her. It was a beautiful

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performance. It was a great speech. Loved. Got it

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was stuck in the middle of a pile of. That's why

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it was so jarring for me. I'm like, yeah, I want

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to be on board with this. And yet for some reason,

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I've been so emotionally detached for the last 45

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minutes that I, I'm like, this is good. But yeah,

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it's gonna end and we're gonna get back and, and

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it really stuck out in particular because no one

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else really was saying anything.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And it just. And, and again, as like I've said

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that this season are kind of summed up in how I

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feel about this episode. I have been on board with

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Adebayo this entire season. She. All of those

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scenes with her and Chris led up to that moment.

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Those scenes prior, though, were just her and

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Chris. I really wished that that scene had been

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her and Chris.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And, and maybe to connect it even about her

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experience and in the other world, that would have

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been cool, but.

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>> Will: That would have been totally cool. Yes.

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>> Sarah : yeah. Yeah, it would. I, I, it just, it would have

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given more weight to the fact that we spent so

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much time there and, and just to also allow.

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Because we got so inundated with. With Chris's

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perspective of that world that it would have been

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nice considering both judomaster and Adebayo were

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in that world to be for, like, for her to explain

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or, or do something with that. But it's just.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : like, it was so quick. It was like, yay. Okay,

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we're done.

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>> Will: Yeah. You know, I'm glad you brought that point up

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because, you know, whenever, Because I know

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earlier in the season when we talked about when

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Chris and Annabello had that, that heart to heart

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moment earlier in the season about the grass.

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>> Sarah : Is always greener right before he goes through. Y.

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>> Will: Right before he goes through. And it would, you

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know, you're right that, I mean, it was already an

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Emmy winning monologue to begin with, but that

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would have just taken all of this season to the

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next level if, if they had, if he had made that,

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that tied that full connection because we talked

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about that with, you know, with Chris now, you

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know, especially, you know, not, you know, that I

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think it was episode two or three when they, or

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four when they had that conversation and then, you

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know, tying it to like the blinders that he had

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on, like all the whiteies around and, and, and

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then even when, even, when Harcourt pointed it

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out. You're right. I mean, if. If they had

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connected the two, that would have just taken

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this, the whole thing to the next level. And I

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think. And I think. I mean, I think James got up

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to the line, but, you know, and maybe this is

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where, you know, when you have, you know, gets.

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This gets into a larger philosophical point about

481
00:27:15,580 --> 00:27:17,260
having diverse writers rooms.

482
00:27:17,820 --> 00:27:18,300
>> Sarah : Yeah.

483
00:27:18,860 --> 00:27:21,780
>> Will: Because if you have different voices in the

484
00:27:21,780 --> 00:27:26,220
writers room, maybe a writer of color or a woman

485
00:27:26,700 --> 00:27:32,580
or, you know, gay, lesbian, whoever, you know, can

486
00:27:32,580 --> 00:27:35,380
you provide that. That little extra perspective

487
00:27:35,380 --> 00:27:38,780
that you. And, you know, or even if it's a black

488
00:27:38,780 --> 00:27:40,860
writer, you know, having a white person, you know,

489
00:27:40,940 --> 00:27:44,300
anybody having that extra other perspective in the

490
00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:46,620
room helps you flesh out the stories.

491
00:27:47,820 --> 00:27:48,140
>> Sarah : Right.

492
00:27:48,140 --> 00:27:50,540
>> Will: And I think that. And to your point, I think that

493
00:27:50,540 --> 00:27:53,380
would have really fleshed out already. Well

494
00:27:53,380 --> 00:27:55,340
written moment. I mean, I can't. I can't deny it.

495
00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:57,260
I mean, I got a lump in my throat whenever, like,

496
00:27:57,260 --> 00:27:59,060
whenever she delivered it because it was very

497
00:27:59,060 --> 00:28:00,760
powerful, but it would have taken it to the next

498
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:01,080
level.

499
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,560
>> Sarah : Yeah. And. And I think to that point, just her.

500
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,800
Her other storyline with her wife or girlfriend.

501
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,440
Like, because when we circled back to that in this

502
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:21,720
episode, I was like, I don't care. I don't care.

503
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,560
Like. Like, early on and. And be. And I mainly say

504
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,880
that not because I don't care about Adebayo.

505
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:30,520
>> Will: Yeah.

506
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,560
>> Sarah : It's more about just. It's been so long since

507
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,120
we've had a scene between those two that it's

508
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:40,840
like, oh, we're. Why are we going back here now? I

509
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,520
mean, Chris is in jail. And that whole absence of

510
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,840
Chris in this episode was just felt more. When we

511
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,080
circled back on these lame storylines when, like,

512
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,040
we could have had more conversation. I. I love

513
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,470
when she manipulates Adrian.

514
00:28:57,870 --> 00:28:59,470
>> Will: Oh, yeah, that was another one.

515
00:28:59,790 --> 00:29:03,230
>> Sarah : I'm a better friend to Chris. Like, that was. That

516
00:29:03,230 --> 00:29:06,310
was great. And. And then to everything. What. You

517
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:09,190
could have had more conversations between Chris

518
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:15,390
and her about so much. And. And even economists.

519
00:29:15,390 --> 00:29:18,630
Like, yeah, granted, he got a little bit more

520
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:21,870
because Eagly. I mean, we all love our little,

521
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,360
animated animal in any gun movie.

522
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:31,520
>> Will: Yeah. And Steve, Steven, AJ got to improv a, bad

523
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,920
joke bit line, you know, whenever we're trying to

524
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,040
discover the plants, as far as, you know, with

525
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:36,600
salvation.

526
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:41,480
>> Sarah : But Right, right. Like. Like, it just. It felt

527
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:46,640
like it continues to feel like, okay, James, yeah,

528
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,610
you set all of this up, but did you not know where

529
00:29:51,610 --> 00:29:55,170
you're going? Or did you think you knew? And then

530
00:29:55,170 --> 00:29:57,570
he got distracted by Supes I don't know.

531
00:29:58,050 --> 00:30:00,010
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, that's possible. Well, it's

532
00:30:00,010 --> 00:30:01,860
interesting too, because I know he had, I know on

533
00:30:01,860 --> 00:30:03,740
the podcast he did say that he, you know, he

534
00:30:03,740 --> 00:30:05,690
finished it with the montage and then Peter,

535
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,040
Saffron was. And again, that's the perspective I

536
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,840
was talking about. You know, he did show the

537
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,520
script to someone and he did get, get, did get,

538
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,760
you know, feedback to be like, yeah, you need to

539
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,320
add something more to it. And I guess that's when

540
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,640
he decided to like add the salvation stuff to it,

541
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,360
which, you know, gets, gets, you know, again, it's

542
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,200
a, you know, it takes the show and just feels it,

543
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,440
you know, well, gives it that connective tissue

544
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,200
with the larger, larger piece.

545
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,880
>> Sarah : I, I don't know if I misunderstood that because I

546
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,120
understood that like the salvation stuff was

547
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,800
there. All he tacked on was just leaving Chris in

548
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,080
salvation at the end.

549
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,100
>> Will: Yeah, okay. Yeah, maybe that's it. Maybe that was

550
00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:45,700
it. Yeah.

551
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,490
>> Sarah : because if he had turned in a script without all

552
00:30:49,490 --> 00:30:51,830
that salvation script, then, this would have been

553
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:57,070
a 10 minute episode with maybe 30 minutes of

554
00:30:57,070 --> 00:31:03,910
montage. I don't know. That's pretty scary. So,

555
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:05,110
so, yeah.

556
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:06,910
>> Will: What did you think? Yeah, what did you think about

557
00:31:06,910 --> 00:31:07,950
the salvation stuff?

558
00:31:07,950 --> 00:31:09,270
>> Sarah : I mean, I don't care.

559
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:10,320
>> Will: Yeah.

560
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,960
>> Sarah : I don't give, I just, that, that kind of stuff. I,

561
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,560
I, I checked completely out of it. I don't care

562
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:26,880
about, like, there are no stakes when people that

563
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,640
you just meet in one scene before suddenly die,

564
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:36,210
even though it has an impact on others, like, and,

565
00:31:36,210 --> 00:31:38,250
and talk about another missed opportunity.

566
00:31:38,250 --> 00:31:42,330
Flurry's been around now for a few episodes and

567
00:31:42,330 --> 00:31:45,010
then it still caught me off guard though, when all

568
00:31:45,010 --> 00:31:47,650
of a sudden they're doing Checkmate and Flurry

569
00:31:47,650 --> 00:31:50,570
shows up and I'm like, oh, I mean, I get it, but

570
00:31:50,809 --> 00:31:53,290
I, I feel like that could have been executed more.

571
00:31:53,370 --> 00:31:56,690
Judo Master could have been utilized in this

572
00:31:56,690 --> 00:31:59,250
episode. He wasn't. And then he was tacked on in

573
00:31:59,250 --> 00:32:00,330
at the end as well.

574
00:32:00,410 --> 00:32:03,040
>> Will: He. Yeah, so. Well, they were, you know, Judah

575
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,920
Master was in, in there. He was just in the scenes

576
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,560
when they were like searching. Yeah, he was in

577
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,960
the, in the suits. But I get your point at that

578
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,800
point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also, but I get your

579
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,160
point about Flurry. I think there were small

580
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,240
moment, there were moments throughout the season.

581
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,690
And I know one, I know one episode, episode, where

582
00:32:23,690 --> 00:32:26,800
I was going to mention Flurry and we, we didn't

583
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,720
get it. We didn't get circled back to it, but

584
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:34,640
whenever economists, booked Chris into the, to the

585
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,520
system. So that Flag couldn't, you know, base. You

586
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,160
know, basically there will be a record of him

587
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,720
being there. So Flag couldn't. I mean, ultimately

588
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,800
he did, like, find a way to get rid of Chris, but,

589
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,290
you know, at least earlier in the season, he

590
00:32:46,290 --> 00:32:48,970
could. He wasn't able to do so with Flurry, like,

591
00:32:49,460 --> 00:32:51,260
you know, knowledge. What John did and said, that

592
00:32:51,260 --> 00:32:53,940
was a good, you know, good, good move there. So, I

593
00:32:53,940 --> 00:32:55,380
mean, there has been, like, little moments

594
00:32:55,380 --> 00:32:58,020
throughout the season that I think, you know, that

595
00:32:58,020 --> 00:33:00,820
even though Flurry, Flurry definitely has his

596
00:33:00,820 --> 00:33:03,660
issues, you know, they were. They were building

597
00:33:03,660 --> 00:33:05,539
towards that moment. So when he showed up, I was

598
00:33:05,539 --> 00:33:07,860
like, okay. Yeah. At the end of the day, you know,

599
00:33:09,300 --> 00:33:11,980
within his own system. Within the system, he. He

600
00:33:11,980 --> 00:33:14,900
was able to, like, you know, take, you know,

601
00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:18,370
acknowledged, the wrongs that were. That were

602
00:33:18,370 --> 00:33:20,330
taking place there. And then, of course, whenever

603
00:33:20,410 --> 00:33:22,330
the kid that he was, like, picking on all season

604
00:33:22,330 --> 00:33:24,330
gets killed and he realized, like, oh, this is

605
00:33:24,330 --> 00:33:25,050
really up.

606
00:33:27,930 --> 00:33:28,410
>> Sarah : Yeah.

607
00:33:28,890 --> 00:33:29,370
>> Will: Yeah.

608
00:33:30,650 --> 00:33:33,130
>> Sarah : anything else you want to talk about before we

609
00:33:33,130 --> 00:33:34,170
move on to Gen B?

610
00:33:34,990 --> 00:33:37,310
>> Will: no, I think, I think we covered it all. I mean, as

611
00:33:37,310 --> 00:33:39,770
far as, As far as Peacemaker, I mean, it was. It

612
00:33:39,770 --> 00:33:42,200
was good. Like I said, it was okay. I mean, I've

613
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,390
seen. I've seen worse finales, but, But I

614
00:33:44,390 --> 00:33:47,950
definitely understand why people are upset for a

615
00:33:47,950 --> 00:33:49,070
variety of reasons.

616
00:33:50,660 --> 00:33:54,860
>> Sarah : all right, so gen V season 2, episode 6 cooking

617
00:33:54,860 --> 00:33:59,330
lessons. Worried, about the coming culture war and

618
00:33:59,330 --> 00:34:02,250
apocalypse. Ride it out in style and comfort.

619
00:34:02,250 --> 00:34:06,389
Sustainable septic systems and feng feng shui.

620
00:34:07,189 --> 00:34:09,909
Blast proof and billionaire approved. The world

621
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:12,789
may be burning, but you'll be 30ft underground

622
00:34:12,789 --> 00:34:17,229
with a glass of 82 Bordeaux. Act now before it's

623
00:34:17,229 --> 00:34:24,509
too late. I would have had no. You know, the

624
00:34:24,509 --> 00:34:27,589
lovely thing is if I'd read that, like, before

625
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:29,989
watching the episode, I would have had no idea

626
00:34:30,469 --> 00:34:33,429
what. I was like, what the are they talking about?

627
00:34:33,989 --> 00:34:36,469
>> Will: Yeah, it's like. Yeah. Titled Cooking Lessons.

628
00:34:36,469 --> 00:34:38,460
And. Yeah, I was just like, like, okay. yeah.

629
00:34:38,460 --> 00:34:38,660
>> Sarah : Ah.

630
00:34:38,660 --> 00:34:40,720
>> Will: Because I saw the title before I was able to watch

631
00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:41,950
it, and, Yeah.

632
00:34:43,630 --> 00:34:48,390
>> Sarah : And so. So, I mean, we. We kind of touched on it

633
00:34:48,390 --> 00:34:51,430
briefly with Peacemaker. and we didn't delve too

634
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:53,710
much into it. The expanded universe.

635
00:34:54,110 --> 00:34:54,590
>> Will: Yes.

636
00:34:54,830 --> 00:34:58,390
>> Sarah : So watching the Peacemaker finale and more

637
00:34:58,390 --> 00:35:02,800
importantly, the fallout given the. Well, he told

638
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,520
me Supes was going to show up and everything.

639
00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:10,600
Yeah, whatever. So to then watch Gen V and

640
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,960
specifically this episode, which. Yeah, I don't

641
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,160
know if their writers room or their producers had

642
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,760
any idea that like this would be a perfect little

643
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,120
parallel thing happening. and really shows how

644
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:30,960
good of a show GENV is is Stan, Edgar and Zoe show

645
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:36,640
up in this episode. And this is why. And it just.

646
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,680
I sat there when they appeared and I was like,

647
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:41,920
this is great.

648
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:43,040
>> Will: Yep.

649
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:48,960
>> Sarah : I'm. They have managed to do extended universe

650
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:55,460
like no one else. Because as a viewer, I am fully

651
00:35:55,460 --> 00:36:00,140
aware the boys is. Shares this universe. Yet I am

652
00:36:00,140 --> 00:36:04,260
also not predicting and anticipating when the boys

653
00:36:04,260 --> 00:36:07,980
characters show up. And I do not have expectations

654
00:36:08,220 --> 00:36:13,100
because the characters of Gen V stand alone. So

655
00:36:13,580 --> 00:36:18,780
yet the utilization just. Just amplifies. I mean

656
00:36:18,780 --> 00:36:21,230
we talked about this a little bit last week like

657
00:36:21,940 --> 00:36:24,540
the, the re. Or. Or actually for the past few

658
00:36:24,540 --> 00:36:27,740
weeks as we've talked about season two. Because

659
00:36:27,740 --> 00:36:31,500
you have to remember the, the state of the

660
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:35,660
politics surrounding supes in this world at this

661
00:36:35,660 --> 00:36:41,380
time. That school is really a safe place for these

662
00:36:41,380 --> 00:36:45,500
particular kids given, given their powers and

663
00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:49,160
their abilities. So there, there's a, there's a

664
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,510
very hard irony there. and, and, and that's really

665
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:59,230
where the conflict is. Is that like oh my God, my,

666
00:36:59,470 --> 00:37:04,470
my. My jail is my home. So, so. But to go back to

667
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:08,910
Stan and Zoe, like, yeah, you could say it's a bit

668
00:37:08,910 --> 00:37:12,390
of a cop out because it's like they, they clearly

669
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:16,400
were outmatched. And then they, they busted Zoe

670
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,960
and Stan to kind of save the day and give some

671
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:24,080
shelter. But it's, it's also so connected because

672
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,440
we've seen Stan since what season one of the Boys

673
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,120
and we know he operates. We know his relationship

674
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,800
with Vought, it's. And, and Newman, the Newman of

675
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,870
it all. It just like yes, it allowed us to break

676
00:37:39,870 --> 00:37:44,210
out of Elmyra, but also put us in a, A different

677
00:37:44,450 --> 00:37:48,130
kind of safe place to give everybody a chance to

678
00:37:48,130 --> 00:37:52,210
breathe. And then to set us up for like the final

679
00:37:52,210 --> 00:37:54,770
two episodes of the season. We got two more.

680
00:37:54,770 --> 00:37:58,370
Right. One that premiered today and then next

681
00:37:58,370 --> 00:37:59,970
week. So we still got two more.

682
00:38:00,370 --> 00:38:00,940
>> Will: Yep.

683
00:38:00,940 --> 00:38:05,020
>> Sarah : but, but yeah, like that. That's what for this

684
00:38:05,100 --> 00:38:10,010
episode that the fact that we have Stan and Zoe

685
00:38:10,010 --> 00:38:15,760
show up so seamlessly. that's. That was my biggest

686
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,840
takeaway from this episode.

687
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,790
>> Will: Yeah, I, I 100 there with you. just, just really

688
00:38:23,870 --> 00:38:26,350
you set it up perfectly there and said it

689
00:38:26,350 --> 00:38:28,830
perfectly. You know, this was ah. It was world

690
00:38:28,830 --> 00:38:33,320
building but still they kept thing, you know, kept

691
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,600
things contained in this story because these

692
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,320
characters can, can execute things on their own.

693
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,880
and it. Yeah, I mean with, with one thing too as

694
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,240
far as like with, you know, with Stan showing up

695
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:53,680
and, you know, and yes, you know, he. At the end

696
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,280
of the day, he is still trying to, you know,

697
00:38:57,090 --> 00:38:59,450
formally build his way back and take over the

698
00:38:59,450 --> 00:39:02,770
company. And yeah, he provided these kids, you

699
00:39:02,770 --> 00:39:04,850
know, shelter and safe haven, but at the end of

700
00:39:04,850 --> 00:39:08,970
the day, he is still at his core. It wasn't

701
00:39:08,970 --> 00:39:12,850
altruistic. It was transactional. Yeah, yeah. And

702
00:39:12,850 --> 00:39:14,810
I. Look, you know, and that's. And that's. That.

703
00:39:14,810 --> 00:39:18,010
That. That is the, you know, that is the

704
00:39:18,010 --> 00:39:21,010
consistency of character that I. That I appreciate

705
00:39:21,570 --> 00:39:24,730
in storytelling. you know, so. Because I was like,

706
00:39:24,730 --> 00:39:28,130
okay, Stan show. When he showed up, I was like. I

707
00:39:28,130 --> 00:39:31,650
was like, wow, I wasn't expecting that. But, okay,

708
00:39:31,810 --> 00:39:33,570
what angle is he going to be playing here?

709
00:39:34,370 --> 00:39:34,770
>> Sarah : Right?

710
00:39:34,930 --> 00:39:36,530
>> Will: It's like rolling all of this.

711
00:39:36,530 --> 00:39:39,690
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, it's like, I'm not expecting that, but

712
00:39:39,690 --> 00:39:43,690
I'm also not expecting. Nor. Nor was it a

713
00:39:43,690 --> 00:39:46,850
different character. It's not like he went on a

714
00:39:46,850 --> 00:39:50,810
journey and suddenly is a different character. No,

715
00:39:51,130 --> 00:39:55,930
all of. All of the conniving and the. The business

716
00:39:56,570 --> 00:40:00,810
side of him is still there. It's still Stan. So he

717
00:40:00,810 --> 00:40:04,490
just has different motivations. And, And I think

718
00:40:04,810 --> 00:40:07,330
that consistency of character that you just talked

719
00:40:07,330 --> 00:40:12,370
about is arguably why, despite all of the shock

720
00:40:12,370 --> 00:40:15,530
value and all of the nonsense that goes on in both

721
00:40:15,530 --> 00:40:21,270
Gen V and the boys, their villains. Consistent,

722
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:28,670
consistent. Consistent. And. And arguably, like, I

723
00:40:28,670 --> 00:40:32,710
didn't realize we also needed to know more about

724
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:37,230
Cypher. And this is arguably kind of where I have

725
00:40:37,230 --> 00:40:40,120
a little bit of issue with this episode. but then

726
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,680
again, I predicted that last week because I. I was

727
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,470
so in love with that episode. Episode. Yeah, it's

728
00:40:45,470 --> 00:40:50,710
that it's. We've talked enough about what's going

729
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:54,510
on, specifically with Cypher, that it just felt

730
00:40:54,510 --> 00:40:57,270
like the characters needed to catch up. And I'm

731
00:40:57,270 --> 00:41:00,950
never a big fan of when my characters are behind,

732
00:41:02,380 --> 00:41:05,620
from. From what the viewers understand is going on

733
00:41:05,620 --> 00:41:08,860
in the world. Now, were we given definite answers?

734
00:41:08,860 --> 00:41:12,380
No. But then again, there was an entire scene

735
00:41:12,380 --> 00:41:15,620
where we literally had to watch Jordan put it

736
00:41:15,620 --> 00:41:20,060
together. The fact that Godolkin is the dad in

737
00:41:20,220 --> 00:41:24,410
the, the chamber that Cipher has. So I would like,

738
00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:27,690
like, I was like, I didn't really need to watch

739
00:41:27,690 --> 00:41:30,850
that and especially have it be dragged out for a

740
00:41:30,850 --> 00:41:31,210
minute.

741
00:41:32,250 --> 00:41:34,610
>> Will: Yeah, I was okay with that, actually. I mean,

742
00:41:34,610 --> 00:41:36,570
because I know. I get. I get what you're saying

743
00:41:36,570 --> 00:41:38,580
about, you know, the viewers are ahead of the

744
00:41:38,580 --> 00:41:41,900
characters, but it was. It was a. It was a good

745
00:41:42,220 --> 00:41:46,460
moment. And again, talking about the. How. How

746
00:41:46,460 --> 00:41:50,060
these two shows, while they're connected, they

747
00:41:50,060 --> 00:41:53,379
are, you know, they, they still have their own

748
00:41:53,379 --> 00:41:55,260
individual stories that they're telling.

749
00:41:55,600 --> 00:42:00,130
>> Will: And, and, and but you know, so, you know, because

750
00:42:00,370 --> 00:42:02,810
we learn, you know, we learned that Homelander

751
00:42:02,810 --> 00:42:06,120
and, and Marie are both basically, you know,

752
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,190
products of Odessa, successful products. So, you

753
00:42:10,190 --> 00:42:13,030
know, so again it serves the story in both the

754
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:17,420
boys proper and Gen V. and, and you know, and we

755
00:42:17,420 --> 00:42:19,260
get, you know, we get a little bit more details

756
00:42:19,260 --> 00:42:22,020
too, you know, you know, you know, we're using Gen

757
00:42:22,020 --> 00:42:24,580
V. You know, we learned, you know, and they did it

758
00:42:24,580 --> 00:42:26,540
earlier in the season as well. Like for example,

759
00:42:26,540 --> 00:42:29,300
when Cypher and Sister, say, showed up, you know,

760
00:42:29,300 --> 00:42:29,780
as far as.

761
00:42:29,780 --> 00:42:30,220
>> Sarah : Yeah.

762
00:42:31,050 --> 00:42:35,010
>> Will: Her angle. So these shows do work very well with

763
00:42:35,010 --> 00:42:37,610
each. The two of them work very well with each

764
00:42:37,610 --> 00:42:42,130
other to, to just, you know, to advance. Advance

765
00:42:42,130 --> 00:42:44,890
things in both their respective shows.

766
00:42:45,210 --> 00:42:50,650
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. I, I think what was my issue though

767
00:42:50,730 --> 00:42:55,490
with a lot of the. The answers, quote unquote, if

768
00:42:55,490 --> 00:42:55,810
you will.

769
00:42:55,810 --> 00:42:56,250
>> Will: Yeah.

770
00:42:56,500 --> 00:42:57,980
>> Sarah : Because they're not really straightforward

771
00:42:57,980 --> 00:43:02,340
answers. Is the, the more and more apparent that

772
00:43:02,980 --> 00:43:08,100
if I'm wrong about my theory that it's really

773
00:43:08,900 --> 00:43:14,860
Godolkin controlling his own son? Yeah, I don't

774
00:43:14,860 --> 00:43:18,060
know what we're doing because it was very apparent

775
00:43:18,060 --> 00:43:21,100
in this episode everything we learned from Stan

776
00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:24,590
about not. Not really Cipher, but specifically

777
00:43:24,590 --> 00:43:30,640
good Dulcien points to like he is a. He is a Soup

778
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,200
and that is his ability. And. But, but then again,

779
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,840
I think the one thing that isn't clear is what

780
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,440
we've discussed before is okay, is it that he

781
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,120
wants his body to be healed or is it that he wants

782
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,910
to fully take over his son's body? And there is

783
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:53,910
that scene in this episode when he is cleaning his

784
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:57,550
father and then smacks the out of him and then

785
00:43:57,550 --> 00:44:01,190
calls him vomit and all of this stuff. And it just

786
00:44:01,190 --> 00:44:03,150
reminded me so much of Homelander.

787
00:44:03,710 --> 00:44:04,190
>> Will: Yeah.

788
00:44:04,270 --> 00:44:12,000
>> Sarah : Like the. When these supes, get. Get so tainted in

789
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:17,730
ego and self loathing, like that manifests in such

790
00:44:17,730 --> 00:44:22,930
a volatile way that it's, it's very on brand with

791
00:44:23,450 --> 00:44:27,090
the, the characters and also specifically the

792
00:44:27,090 --> 00:44:30,969
Soups, like the mentality of that. And you have

793
00:44:30,969 --> 00:44:34,170
that juxtaposed with this also quote unquote

794
00:44:34,170 --> 00:44:43,200
revelation that Cypher. Cypher basically once.

795
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,170
Once to. To He only wants the best of us. He's.

796
00:44:47,170 --> 00:44:51,730
He's basically the hits Hitler of the. Of the

797
00:44:51,810 --> 00:44:52,370
Soups.

798
00:44:55,170 --> 00:44:58,890
>> Will: Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, you know, we do learn in

799
00:44:58,890 --> 00:45:01,370
this episode that the plan, ultimate plan is to

800
00:45:01,370 --> 00:45:05,090
like cancel out kill 75 of the student population

801
00:45:05,090 --> 00:45:09,020
here at Godolkin. So Yeah. So, I mean, you're.

802
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:11,380
You're not. You're not far off with your. Your

803
00:45:11,380 --> 00:45:12,140
analogy there.

804
00:45:12,540 --> 00:45:15,660
>> Sarah : No, no, not really. I mean, he definitely wants a

805
00:45:16,060 --> 00:45:20,860
genocide to. To have the cream of the crop. And.

806
00:45:20,860 --> 00:45:25,940
And that's why I was thinking about it. Why m. It

807
00:45:25,940 --> 00:45:29,580
made sense to me because earlier in the season,

808
00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:33,950
when we see, Emma interact with, the students who

809
00:45:33,950 --> 00:45:38,790
are the starlighters, their powers are not like

810
00:45:39,830 --> 00:45:43,670
all that enviable. Right. And that's why Vulcan

811
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:49,070
has this. This program of like rank and order. It

812
00:45:49,070 --> 00:45:54,550
totally is aligned with. With that perspective. So

813
00:45:55,350 --> 00:45:57,870
it didn't come out of left field either. It's

814
00:45:57,870 --> 00:46:00,670
like. No, no, no. That we. We should have. We

815
00:46:00,670 --> 00:46:02,550
should have thought about. Yeah, that makes sense

816
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:04,870
that that would be your plan given everything

817
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:07,750
we've been shown specifically about the school.

818
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:10,950
>> Will: Yep. Yeah, that's a very good observation. That's

819
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:12,590
a very good. I hadn't thought about that. But

820
00:46:12,590 --> 00:46:14,820
you're right. I mean, Because all, you know,

821
00:46:14,820 --> 00:46:16,860
because all those kids on that arts track,

822
00:46:17,180 --> 00:46:21,220
basically. Yeah. They. They're for whatever

823
00:46:21,220 --> 00:46:23,570
reason, where you have Emma who, you know, can't

824
00:46:23,570 --> 00:46:27,940
control her powers at will. to. To the people we.

825
00:46:27,940 --> 00:46:29,870
You know, to the, Bushmaster.

826
00:46:34,110 --> 00:46:39,390
>> Sarah : But never gonna forget it. Yeah. It's like you're

827
00:46:39,390 --> 00:46:43,630
special, but you're not special enough. So it's.

828
00:46:43,630 --> 00:46:47,540
It's. So it's such a. And. And it's not as though

829
00:46:47,540 --> 00:46:50,540
we haven't seen similar characters because as I'm

830
00:46:50,540 --> 00:46:53,620
talking about Cypher, in that perspective, it

831
00:46:53,620 --> 00:46:57,630
remind of season, two of the boys with, Storm. I

832
00:46:57,630 --> 00:46:59,150
forgot. Yeah.

833
00:46:59,150 --> 00:47:00,350
>> Will: Stormfront. Stormfront.

834
00:47:00,350 --> 00:47:02,230
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah.

835
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:08,470
>> Will: Which. Which. Go ahead. Yeah, no, I was gonna say.

836
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:10,670
Yeah. I mean, we know she. Yeah, yeah, we knew. We

837
00:47:10,670 --> 00:47:13,350
know about the Nazi background with her. And. And

838
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:17,280
also, Even we, you know, we've seen the

839
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,870
paraphernalia, you know, with. In. In the past,

840
00:47:22,070 --> 00:47:25,140
with Godolkin and. And. And also. Yeah, so you're

841
00:47:25,140 --> 00:47:27,100
right. I mean, it's completely on brand, this

842
00:47:27,100 --> 00:47:31,140
whole eugenics, you know, genocidal plan that he

843
00:47:31,140 --> 00:47:32,900
has, but, you know, he has for the school.

844
00:47:33,700 --> 00:47:38,070
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. And, The. The last scene I want to

845
00:47:38,070 --> 00:47:40,670
talk about, Cipher is just the cipher and

846
00:47:40,670 --> 00:47:42,470
polarity. What were your thoughts about that

847
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:43,190
interaction?

848
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,480
>> Will: Yeah, well, I think a couple things. One, I think

849
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:51,560
it definitely confirmed that, you know, Cipher,

850
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:56,180
you know, the dad is controlling. this is the.

851
00:47:56,180 --> 00:47:59,900
It's a funnel to, you know, using a son to control

852
00:48:00,140 --> 00:48:03,340
Cipher and. And also to, you know, and with

853
00:48:03,340 --> 00:48:05,220
polarity. I mean, I thought it was a Pretty you

854
00:48:05,220 --> 00:48:07,220
know, whenever he, when he showed up and he's

855
00:48:07,220 --> 00:48:09,420
like, what was it? The Looks like what. You know,

856
00:48:09,420 --> 00:48:11,460
what kind of Waffle House brawl like happened here

857
00:48:11,460 --> 00:48:14,900
last night. You know, like this, this guy. I mean,

858
00:48:15,300 --> 00:48:18,990
you know, credit to like the, the right to Eric

859
00:48:18,990 --> 00:48:21,430
Kripke and the writers crew for the boys. I mean

860
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:25,510
they, they know how, they know how to still write

861
00:48:25,830 --> 00:48:28,990
dialogue and cast people because it was a well

862
00:48:28,990 --> 00:48:31,230
written scene. But also just the delivery by the

863
00:48:31,230 --> 00:48:33,390
actor who plays Cipher, ah, just delivered it

864
00:48:33,390 --> 00:48:37,270
perfectly. But also you know, just the dynamics

865
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:42,220
between Cipher and utilizing polarity to to. To.

866
00:48:42,220 --> 00:48:45,190
To track down the kids. and, and in the process,

867
00:48:45,940 --> 00:48:50,260
uncover the starlighter cell at the school.

868
00:48:50,930 --> 00:48:53,430
everything. You know, it was, it was, it was

869
00:48:53,830 --> 00:48:58,550
definitely. I, I like the scene and I liked how.

870
00:48:59,970 --> 00:49:03,170
How polarity now that you know how he went from

871
00:49:03,170 --> 00:49:06,770
being sort of the company guy and, and. And all

872
00:49:06,770 --> 00:49:09,370
about Vault and the, you know, the popularity and

873
00:49:09,370 --> 00:49:11,930
the. I mean, I think back as far as like in season

874
00:49:11,930 --> 00:49:14,450
one when he was, you know, talk about Andre with

875
00:49:14,450 --> 00:49:17,550
the you know, essentially the sponsorships and all

876
00:49:17,550 --> 00:49:21,940
that kind of stuff, and, and marketing and all

877
00:49:21,940 --> 00:49:26,510
that. And then how, you know, in this episode when

878
00:49:28,190 --> 00:49:30,510
he, you know, when he gathered himself and just

879
00:49:30,510 --> 00:49:32,470
like, you know, he's like, I have nothing to lose

880
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:35,390
now. And he just gathered it all up and just, you

881
00:49:35,390 --> 00:49:37,430
know, for, you know, threw Cipher out of the.

882
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:40,140
Through the window and stuff. I just really like

883
00:49:40,140 --> 00:49:42,620
that moment. I thought that was just like, okay,

884
00:49:43,340 --> 00:49:46,660
we, you know, the kids now do have an. A trusted

885
00:49:46,660 --> 00:49:48,900
ally that they can rely on who's. Who's a little

886
00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:52,050
bit more seasoned soup, to be that, you know,

887
00:49:52,130 --> 00:49:54,890
mentor, whatever. The other thing too was. I was

888
00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:56,650
just so worried that Cipher was going to like kill

889
00:49:56,650 --> 00:49:58,050
him at that end of that scene too.

890
00:49:59,410 --> 00:50:02,210
>> Sarah : Yeah, that's what, that's what I was gonna bring

891
00:50:02,210 --> 00:50:06,020
up was like the, the The horror of it. Yeah, there

892
00:50:06,340 --> 00:50:11,110
the, the scenes when he is fully in control of his

893
00:50:11,110 --> 00:50:16,270
body and his mind and everything. Like we heard

894
00:50:16,270 --> 00:50:20,950
about it and we saw a glimpse with Jordan. But the

895
00:50:21,380 --> 00:50:25,160
Knowing now Jordan's perspective on that incident,

896
00:50:26,260 --> 00:50:30,740
and then to watch it play out with polarity just

897
00:50:30,820 --> 00:50:34,340
amplified because, because you're just suddenly

898
00:50:34,340 --> 00:50:37,220
like, oh, now we're getting the visual context.

899
00:50:37,220 --> 00:50:41,960
Yeah, that. Because you. The helplessness and. And

900
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,000
yeah, Cipher or polarity did gather enough

901
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,360
strength to. To push him out the window. But don't

902
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:52,520
forget, the connection broke again, very similar

903
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,600
to what happened with Jordan. Like there is a

904
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,390
weakness There, which of, course for all of these,

905
00:50:59,950 --> 00:51:03,870
these soups, there, there, there is a, a flaw.

906
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,380
that is often the fatal flaw. But there, we don't,

907
00:51:08,380 --> 00:51:11,300
we don't know if it depends on the length of time,

908
00:51:11,540 --> 00:51:16,100
how much, because he was fully like just going at

909
00:51:16,100 --> 00:51:20,020
it and it, it seemed like a long duration, a lot

910
00:51:20,020 --> 00:51:25,210
longer than Jordan. But, but eventually the, the

911
00:51:25,210 --> 00:51:29,500
connection did break. so, yeah, I think that was

912
00:51:29,500 --> 00:51:32,570
interesting. to go back to the kids in the bunker.

913
00:51:33,050 --> 00:51:33,610
>> Will: Yeah.

914
00:51:34,250 --> 00:51:36,520
>> Sarah : I just want to get this out of the way. not

915
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,400
because I don't want to talk about it, but because

916
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,600
in terms of everybody else, it, it doesn't really

917
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:49,640
seem that much important. But I love you and I

918
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:57,970
love you and Emma. But I, and, and personally, I,

919
00:51:57,970 --> 00:52:01,050
I do want them to get back together, but I also

920
00:52:01,050 --> 00:52:05,410
know why they're not. I totally get that. But I

921
00:52:05,410 --> 00:52:07,690
was just like, dude, you just had one good

922
00:52:07,690 --> 00:52:11,850
conversation with your mom, okay, and you kinda

923
00:52:11,850 --> 00:52:15,530
Kool Aid it, but you're not gonna immediately jump

924
00:52:15,530 --> 00:52:20,840
back into the bed with Emma. but yeah, I, I, I

925
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:25,230
liked it how that conversation played out just

926
00:52:25,230 --> 00:52:29,020
because, there is still chemistry between them.

927
00:52:29,020 --> 00:52:33,060
And we, we know, we've known that. But we also, I

928
00:52:33,060 --> 00:52:35,620
can appreciate that we very much understand why

929
00:52:35,620 --> 00:52:39,780
they're not together and why he has a few more

930
00:52:39,780 --> 00:52:43,660
things to do before he ever can, can get back to

931
00:52:43,660 --> 00:52:49,040
that place with her in particular. so, but yeah,

932
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:49,960
yeah, yeah, I.

933
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,720
>> Will: Thought, yeah, it was, it was. You know, I like

934
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:54,480
the way that scene played out. I mean, I know they

935
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,280
were, they seem like it was like they were going

936
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,950
to kiss, but at the same time, you know, it was

937
00:53:01,950 --> 00:53:05,750
very, it was. Yeah. He's got a lot, a lot to atone

938
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:08,750
for before. And it also too, you know, whenever,

939
00:53:08,750 --> 00:53:12,860
you know, speaking about how, they were having to

940
00:53:12,860 --> 00:53:16,810
use the, you know, Instagram to you know, get the

941
00:53:16,810 --> 00:53:18,930
messages out and stuff because Emma couldn't

942
00:53:18,930 --> 00:53:21,730
remember, remember the phone number. yeah, but,

943
00:53:21,740 --> 00:53:23,550
whenever. Whenever what? The thing, the other

944
00:53:23,550 --> 00:53:25,430
thing that stuck out with me was to see with Sam

945
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:27,510
getting all like, you know, who's the dude that

946
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:28,630
slid into your DMs.

947
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:32,870
>> Sarah : Which, which that's been telegraphed. But, yeah,

948
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:37,470
I, the but, but Sam, what they continue to do with

949
00:53:37,470 --> 00:53:41,210
him that I like this season is reminding us about

950
00:53:41,210 --> 00:53:44,010
his experience in season one, because again, it's

951
00:53:44,010 --> 00:53:47,090
brought up he does not like the bunker because of

952
00:53:47,090 --> 00:53:50,370
his PTSD from the woods. And I thought that was

953
00:53:50,370 --> 00:53:53,170
great because I wasn't expecting m. It. But it

954
00:53:53,170 --> 00:53:57,130
makes sense. Makes total Sense And. And. And

955
00:53:57,130 --> 00:54:00,450
remember when the woods was a thing and he was in

956
00:54:00,450 --> 00:54:03,850
there for so long. I mean, he wasn't in Elmira

957
00:54:03,850 --> 00:54:06,660
this past summer with everyone else, but he did go

958
00:54:06,660 --> 00:54:09,220
through the woods, so he does understand what

959
00:54:09,220 --> 00:54:13,110
that's like. so. So I. I like that. Call back.

960
00:54:13,590 --> 00:54:16,840
this episode, we get confirmation that Annabeth

961
00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:21,120
did get V, although she does not know from where

962
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,960
and from who. And she has very shakish pre. Cog,

963
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,360
as Kate put it, powers, which allows her to get

964
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,560
visions of the future, but they don't always work.

965
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,210
They don't always come. Expects them to. and we

966
00:54:36,210 --> 00:54:39,880
also see her have a panic attack. And so, we're

967
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,240
finding a little bit more about. We. We suspected,

968
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,480
even though the aunt claimed she wasn't.

969
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,840
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. Yeah. I mean, whenever

970
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,920
they revealed her to have powers, I was like,

971
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,880
okay, yeah. I mean, it wasn't like a. Yeah. I

972
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,480
mean, especially, you know, I did like the way,

973
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,360
you know, the fact that she does have Precog

974
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,830
power. So, it does make you wonder, like, in

975
00:55:06,830 --> 00:55:11,190
addition to one, you know, she never was able to

976
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:15,070
get an answer to the question as far as, did mom

977
00:55:15,070 --> 00:55:18,030
and dad also inject me? Or is. Was it just some

978
00:55:18,030 --> 00:55:24,890
residual stuff in, you know, Mom's, you know, DNA

979
00:55:24,890 --> 00:55:26,930
or whatever from, you know, from the injection

980
00:55:26,930 --> 00:55:30,640
from. From Marie? you know, still. Still there.

981
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,280
You know, so we don't know. And so I did, you

982
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:38,840
know, so it makes it all. Not only does it make

983
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,640
sense for why she still, you know, have one of

984
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,000
these feelings of just resentment and, you know,

985
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:47,000
anger towards Marie for what happened because they

986
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,160
were so little and ever, you know, and it never.

987
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,120
Marie never did get a chance to tell her about it.

988
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,980
So she's had years to, like, you know, for these

989
00:55:53,980 --> 00:55:57,820
walls to get built up. But then also the Precog

990
00:55:57,820 --> 00:56:00,460
power, you know, maybe she's seen some things,

991
00:56:01,340 --> 00:56:04,300
glimpses of a potential future. And it's just, you

992
00:56:04,300 --> 00:56:05,620
know, because, you know, because we don't know

993
00:56:05,620 --> 00:56:08,780
how, you know. You know, the only thing we've seen

994
00:56:08,780 --> 00:56:11,580
of her Precog powers was just the fact that she

995
00:56:12,060 --> 00:56:15,100
knew that Sam was about to show up and.

996
00:56:15,100 --> 00:56:15,500
>> Sarah : Yeah.

997
00:56:17,500 --> 00:56:19,580
>> Will: Yeah. So that was only, you know, that was a very

998
00:56:19,580 --> 00:56:21,700
short amount of time. We don't know if it's only a

999
00:56:21,700 --> 00:56:24,020
very, you know, short temporal thing or can she

1000
00:56:24,020 --> 00:56:27,950
see, you know, in months or years into the, you

1001
00:56:27,950 --> 00:56:30,150
know, into the future. So, I mean, there could be,

1002
00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:33,590
like, a potential thing that she sees that maybe,

1003
00:56:33,590 --> 00:56:38,150
like, Marie does, like, link up with Edgar to take

1004
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:40,510
on Homelander or whatever. You know, who knows?

1005
00:56:40,910 --> 00:56:45,760
>> Sarah : Right, Right. My, My theory, out of this

1006
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,930
revelation in this episode is, Marie leaves the

1007
00:56:48,930 --> 00:56:52,940
bunker at the end of the episode. But yes, we will

1008
00:56:52,940 --> 00:56:56,220
talk about Kate. Just a second, though. My theory

1009
00:56:56,220 --> 00:56:59,940
is she left leaves because of Annabeth and she

1010
00:56:59,940 --> 00:57:03,500
needs. She. Marie thinks the only person who can

1011
00:57:03,500 --> 00:57:09,420
help her is Cypher. And by helper, I mean she.

1012
00:57:09,980 --> 00:57:13,100
He's told her and she literally brings annabeth

1013
00:57:13,100 --> 00:57:17,830
back to life. So. And, we know that, like, it's

1014
00:57:17,830 --> 00:57:21,310
all about the genes and it's all about blood. So

1015
00:57:21,310 --> 00:57:24,190
is there a way for her to use her abilities to

1016
00:57:24,190 --> 00:57:29,790
essentially take out that Gen V from her sister so

1017
00:57:29,790 --> 00:57:31,550
her sister does not have to be a soup.

1018
00:57:32,030 --> 00:57:32,510
>> Will: Yeah.

1019
00:57:34,510 --> 00:57:37,390
>> Sarah : She can fix it. Right. That's the only. That's

1020
00:57:37,390 --> 00:57:40,580
what her sister says, and explains is like, you

1021
00:57:40,580 --> 00:57:44,750
can't help me. And so she does what a naturally a

1022
00:57:45,230 --> 00:57:48,990
big sister who feels like she owes a debt to her

1023
00:57:48,990 --> 00:57:50,510
younger sister will do.

1024
00:57:51,390 --> 00:57:52,270
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

1025
00:57:52,910 --> 00:57:55,910
>> Sarah : So. So that's, that's my theory about why she

1026
00:57:55,910 --> 00:58:00,900
leaves. and great song choice, by the way, with

1027
00:58:00,900 --> 00:58:03,980
the ending. I, for some reason, I haven't heard

1028
00:58:03,980 --> 00:58:06,300
that song in a while, but it just fit really well

1029
00:58:06,300 --> 00:58:08,460
with the mood and the whole aesthetic. Aesthetic.

1030
00:58:08,540 --> 00:58:11,980
And then to also have then a conversation with

1031
00:58:12,540 --> 00:58:16,370
Marie, and Kate. I, I want to preface this,

1032
00:58:16,370 --> 00:58:19,430
though. Kate and Emma had arguably my favorite

1033
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:23,349
line in this episode when Emma's like, say

1034
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:30,910
something nice to battle me. So many levels there

1035
00:58:30,910 --> 00:58:37,390
about. And very simple is like, like, what a why.

1036
00:58:37,710 --> 00:58:41,470
And, and also I need some help with that. I just.

1037
00:58:41,630 --> 00:58:47,510
That whole thing. yeah, I love Kate, I really do,

1038
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:53,590
because she just continues to be very fascinating.

1039
00:58:53,590 --> 00:58:57,990
I say that every single week because there is.

1040
00:58:58,590 --> 00:59:01,670
She's walking a line that I've seen no other

1041
00:59:01,670 --> 00:59:06,510
character in this, in this universe walk. And it

1042
00:59:06,510 --> 00:59:13,950
is that line of she could be as bad, and we've

1043
00:59:13,950 --> 00:59:19,230
seen her be as bad as the worst of them, but she

1044
00:59:19,230 --> 00:59:24,890
is so broken. She is that, that. So, so I have so

1045
00:59:24,890 --> 00:59:27,970
much empathy. And even last season when she went,

1046
00:59:29,110 --> 00:59:33,110
when she went, when she chose that path, I was

1047
00:59:33,110 --> 00:59:37,630
like, oh, I hate it, but I also understand why you

1048
00:59:37,630 --> 00:59:43,630
did. I get it. But I hate the choice. So I, I, I

1049
00:59:43,630 --> 00:59:46,790
can appreciate that about her and also appreciate

1050
00:59:46,790 --> 00:59:50,670
that about Sam. and, and I, and I, and I think

1051
00:59:50,670 --> 00:59:53,430
she's smart. I like, I like characters who are

1052
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:56,630
smart because she, she is very much in the

1053
00:59:56,630 --> 01:00:00,590
background observing everything, listening, and

1054
01:00:00,990 --> 01:00:05,950
she puts it together. She's like Brie, you. If you

1055
01:00:06,110 --> 01:00:13,230
help me to fix me, we can take on Cypher. But hey,

1056
01:00:13,470 --> 01:00:17,190
Kate, one small thing. Marie don't trust you.

1057
01:00:17,350 --> 01:00:22,230
Okay. I. I think it's gonna take a lot more, but I

1058
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:25,510
do. I just. There's something about that image of

1059
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:29,910
them of. Of Marie m leaving and, and that long

1060
01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:34,350
road and the big gate and then Kate following at a

1061
01:00:34,350 --> 01:00:37,910
distance. I. There was just. It's so poetic.

1062
01:00:38,310 --> 01:00:40,670
>> Will: It was. That was the. I love the way that that

1063
01:00:40,670 --> 01:00:43,070
scene was shot. It was. It was. It definitely was

1064
01:00:43,070 --> 01:00:45,900
very poetic, like you said. And, And I agree. I

1065
01:00:45,900 --> 01:00:50,420
mean, I think whether. Whether Kate following

1066
01:00:50,660 --> 01:00:53,570
along like you said to, Was it altruistic or was

1067
01:00:53,570 --> 01:00:55,610
it, you know, transactional again, you know,

1068
01:00:55,610 --> 01:00:57,370
again, we, you know, go back to that theme with

1069
01:00:57,370 --> 01:00:59,930
these. These characters in. In the boys and

1070
01:00:59,930 --> 01:01:05,800
universe. it. You know, it. It. One way or

1071
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:10,480
another, Marie's gonna probably have to help her

1072
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,240
get her powers back in order for Marie to do what

1073
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,880
she. Whatever she wants, you know, to serve the

1074
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:17,720
larger story, whatever that is. I mean, at this

1075
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,640
point, I think you're right with your theory about

1076
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:23,690
Marie going us back to Cipher to basically, you

1077
01:01:23,690 --> 01:01:27,970
know, find a way to take the bee out of Annabelle,

1078
01:01:28,050 --> 01:01:32,680
out of Beth. and then of course, Cypher will. Will

1079
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,950
gladly do so, but you know, you know, again, he

1080
01:01:35,950 --> 01:01:38,190
will probably want something in return. And. And

1081
01:01:38,190 --> 01:01:38,670
that is.

1082
01:01:39,470 --> 01:01:41,070
>> Sarah : Oh, she's not gonna tell him.

1083
01:01:42,030 --> 01:01:43,070
>> Will: No, no, no, no.

1084
01:01:43,150 --> 01:01:47,750
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. He. She's gonna try to get training so

1085
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:50,870
that. So that he can build her up, but. But that's

1086
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:55,230
her end goal for whatever. Like. Like. Yeah, and.

1087
01:01:55,230 --> 01:01:58,190
But I think you're. You're right. Like, Kate,

1088
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,600
what's been set up now as how they get out of this

1089
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:09,160
situation is the, The. You gotta first fix Kate.

1090
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:13,240
Arguably, it can't really be broken in season

1091
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,880
three, so. So Kate needs to be fixed by the end of

1092
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,960
this season. yeah. To open up potential of like.

1093
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,640
Okay, now that you're fixed, whose side are you

1094
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:24,240
really on?

1095
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:26,720
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm trying to put myself back

1096
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:30,170
in, like in my early, late, late teens, early 20s,

1097
01:02:30,170 --> 01:02:32,570
as far as my pref. Frontal cortex is not fully

1098
01:02:32,570 --> 01:02:34,530
developed. And I. Even though. Even though here at

1099
01:02:34,530 --> 01:02:36,250
my age now, I don't know if it's still. If it is,

1100
01:02:36,250 --> 01:02:38,580
but, like, you know, they're only looking at

1101
01:02:38,580 --> 01:02:40,100
what's in front of them. So I'm just trying to

1102
01:02:40,100 --> 01:02:42,460
figure out. Yeah. So I think you're right. She

1103
01:02:42,460 --> 01:02:45,140
won't tell him what the purpose is. Cipher made a

1104
01:02:45,140 --> 01:02:49,540
deduce it. You know he made deduce it from the

1105
01:02:49,540 --> 01:02:51,540
actions and stuff. Especially now that you know,

1106
01:02:51,540 --> 01:02:52,660
she's broken him out.

1107
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,180
>> Will: Broken annabeth out. Yeah.

1108
01:02:55,500 --> 01:02:56,140
>> Sarah : That's fair.

1109
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:01,160
>> Will: so m. But yeah, it's just. I just these next two

1110
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,520
episodes just. I mean I can't wait to watch

1111
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:09,480
episode seven later this week and and, and see

1112
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,360
where things go and you know our, our theories may

1113
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:16,000
be completely blown up by the time I watch it but

1114
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:20,490
at the same time, I, at the end of the day she's

1115
01:03:20,490 --> 01:03:22,130
going to go back to Cypher. I just, I can't see

1116
01:03:22,130 --> 01:03:26,110
her doing anything. Anything else. because I can't

1117
01:03:26,110 --> 01:03:27,710
see her. It doesn't make sense for her to go to

1118
01:03:27,710 --> 01:03:28,270
Starlight.

1119
01:03:29,470 --> 01:03:32,950
>> Sarah : Well, I see when you. I was like, oh, starlight

1120
01:03:32,950 --> 01:03:36,990
might come. I don't know. We got two episodes. Two

1121
01:03:36,990 --> 01:03:40,950
episodes. So I don't know. I. Eventually Marie and

1122
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:43,310
Cipher are going to be back.

1123
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:44,320
>> Will: Yeah.

1124
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:49,600
>> Sarah : In the same room. and I don't, I don't know if

1125
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:54,200
that immediately happens or if it takes a while to

1126
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:59,109
get there. So, so we, we, we have some time. I I

1127
01:03:59,109 --> 01:04:03,390
don't. Yeah, yeah. And I don't want to speculate

1128
01:04:03,390 --> 01:04:05,550
too much because I've already done way too much

1129
01:04:05,550 --> 01:04:09,560
theory spiraling about this show but I guess maybe

1130
01:04:09,870 --> 01:04:12,750
the, the one thing that's in the back of my mind

1131
01:04:12,910 --> 01:04:17,070
is contemplation. Can I continue with Cypher

1132
01:04:17,550 --> 01:04:20,310
through season three or does he, is he a bad guy

1133
01:04:20,310 --> 01:04:23,790
who's like one season and done which the boys

1134
01:04:23,790 --> 01:04:27,710
universe is known for like having bad guy one

1135
01:04:27,710 --> 01:04:33,720
season done. So, so, but it, it all depends. I do

1136
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,760
think we need more definite answers about him and

1137
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:40,520
Golan by the end of this or what was it all for?

1138
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:41,720
>> Will: Right.

1139
01:04:41,780 --> 01:04:44,260
>> Sarah : So. So we, we. Yeah.

1140
01:04:44,820 --> 01:04:47,740
>> Will: Yeah. Well I think we. I think I have a feeling

1141
01:04:47,740 --> 01:04:49,500
that Cipher is going to make it through this

1142
01:04:49,500 --> 01:04:52,810
season in some form or fashion. whether, whether

1143
01:04:52,810 --> 01:04:55,490
like it's our theory where the dad does manage to

1144
01:04:55,490 --> 01:04:58,890
fuse himself in the body into his son's body or,

1145
01:04:59,210 --> 01:05:05,270
or, or, or something, you know, stabilize that

1146
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:08,510
connection. Because I just think with all the,

1147
01:05:08,510 --> 01:05:12,110
with Edgar showing up, you know to re. Establish

1148
01:05:12,110 --> 01:05:14,190
himself which you know, Stan's always. Stan's

1149
01:05:14,190 --> 01:05:16,069
going, Stan's going to make it to the end of this

1150
01:05:16,069 --> 01:05:22,030
thing. So and you know, and, and I think Sage will

1151
01:05:22,030 --> 01:05:27,960
need Cypher to help her, you know, take over

1152
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:31,220
Vaught. so I think that that storyline is going to

1153
01:05:31,220 --> 01:05:34,260
sort of. It's getting hatched here but we'll see

1154
01:05:34,260 --> 01:05:37,060
it carried forward in The Boy Season 5. So I think

1155
01:05:37,060 --> 01:05:40,060
we'll see Cypher show up in a Boy Season 5. I

1156
01:05:40,060 --> 01:05:42,740
might be wrong, but I think he's going to make it

1157
01:05:42,740 --> 01:05:45,260
out of the season to play a role. He may not make

1158
01:05:45,260 --> 01:05:47,340
it through season five of the boys, but I think

1159
01:05:47,340 --> 01:05:49,420
he's going to show up at least in season five of

1160
01:05:49,420 --> 01:05:49,820
the boys.

1161
01:05:50,300 --> 01:05:53,240
>> Sarah : The only thing that I disagree about with that,

1162
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:57,070
those hypotheticals is Sister Sage doesn't need

1163
01:05:57,070 --> 01:06:00,230
him to control Vaught. She's already in control.

1164
01:06:00,630 --> 01:06:04,030
He, she needs him to control Homelander. Yeah,

1165
01:06:04,030 --> 01:06:08,950
well, needs Godolkin to control the Soups. So

1166
01:06:08,950 --> 01:06:13,300
there's a whole other. Other conversation. but,

1167
01:06:13,620 --> 01:06:16,820
but yeah, the, a more interesting thing to do

1168
01:06:16,820 --> 01:06:21,190
though would be actually for, for Godolkin to die

1169
01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:25,240
at the end of this season and for then us, to be.

1170
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:30,240
Still have cipher yet. It's actually cipher, if

1171
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:34,520
you know what I mean. You know, and, and having

1172
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:38,440
that whole situation because again, how long has

1173
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:42,200
Godolkin been in control of him and what does that

1174
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:42,520
mean?

1175
01:06:43,339 --> 01:06:45,339
>> Will: Yeah, so that's a good point. That's a good point.

1176
01:06:45,819 --> 01:06:48,819
>> Sarah : Well, on that note, Will, why don't you tell our

1177
01:06:48,819 --> 01:06:50,219
listeners where they can find you?

1178
01:06:50,859 --> 01:06:53,470
>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at, Will

1179
01:06:53,470 --> 01:06:55,990
and Polk. W I L L M P O.

1180
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:59,030
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1181
01:06:59,030 --> 01:07:01,990
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1188
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