Andor's Grand Finale & The Last of Us 2 x 6: Reflecting on Loss and Legacy

>> Will: Opening Music

>> Sarah : This is Scene  N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont, and with me, as always, is our Mr. Producer, Will Paul. How are you doing tonight, Will?

>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. How you doing this evening?

>> Sarah : I'm good. I'm doing good. On a Monday.

>> Will: Yeah, it is a Monday. And I know we decided to jump right in. I know I'm doing some travel plans later in the week, so I wanted to get, get our thoughts out there in the. In the interwebs about the Last of Us and Andor.

>> Sarah : Yep, yep. And like tonight we're wrapping up Andor, and next week we will return to our usual Tuesday time slot and, share our thoughts about the season two finale of the Last of Us. As we just finished watching the Last of Us episode, season two, episode six, the Price. Joel surprises Ellie for her birthday years later. And Ellie prepares to confront Joel about her past. So will I. I, like, I'm, starting to become obsessed with Last of Us Cold opens.

>> Will: Yes, me too.

>> Sarah : I just. And. And it's the perfect way, you know. You know, I'm not a big fan of, like, chronologically going. Then this happens and this happens. But the way the. These episodes have been written, there's like, to me, I find it's. It's more easy to do that, especially this episode. And we'll get into that. But this cold open, this one stands out too, because it's not from the game.

>> Will: Nope. No. And.

>> Sarah : And honestly, the past three haven't been from the game.

>> Will: Yeah.

>> Sarah : So. So, so it's. It's like, I think that's another reason why they're standing out is because it's allowing. They're not from the game yet. They fit perfectly in this story is being told. and so the cold open that we're talking about is, young Joel and Tommy find themselves. Well, Tommy finds himself in some trouble, which leads to a confrontation between Joel and his father, mainly about. Why are you hitting us so much? we. We know we do bad stuff, but you're hitting us. but during the conversation, the father, who's also a police. Police officers noted, basically explains, how. Yeah, he hits them, but he does not hit them as far as hard as his dad hit him. and, and, and then in an, in an. In another way, the conversation is also about protection and how you're trying to take care of those people you love. And so it's. It's really interesting. It's a really good setup. It, of course, leads to the line when it's your Turn. I hope you do a little bit better than me, which goes at the end. But. So Will, what were your thoughts about this opening scene between a very young Joel and his father?

>> Will: Yeah, so to your point about the cold opens, it really does. I think it really helps to set the tone for these episodes and the, and what is going to be the overarching theme of. Well, really, it's really, it's really just the. A theme of some of the lessons and things that have happened with our characters up to this point. And, and like, you know, for example, we, when we get the first cold open when they're in, whenever we get Isaac's backstory, you know, really illustrates the why, you know, the double LF and all the things going on in Seattle and how, you know, in the post apocalyptic world, how the structure is in that, in that city last week we had the cold open that really has another parent having to, to deal with a situation where their child is in a. Has been put. Is in a. Has to make a hard choice and, and the decision that the parent and the child, you know, as far as the agency that her, that her son had to make the decision. And then this week we have Joel and his father and, and, and the lessons that Joel parrots, sometimes good and bad in part to their children and, and, and Joel having to come, you know, whenever, when he's had. Obviously he had his daughter Sarah, but you know, she of course was killed the night of the outbreak. And then Billy became a surrogate child. And, and, and so we're seeing, you know, the cons, the consequences of Joel's decisions from, from the moment they, they left to go to Jackson to go to Salt Lake City. And, and then of course the things that we see again in Jackson Hole and the events of Salt Lake City and the lie that he told. We're seeing the cost, we've seen the consequences of that. And, and how like you said, as, as Joel's father told Joel, you know, that you know, hope you do a little better than me at the end of the episode. We do get that with Joel. So as far as, you know, how he tried to differentiate himself from his father. So all these cold opens really just, I think help, help pull me into these stories because as I mentioned on our, on our show last week and I've, and I know that for, for episode five, kind of like got, I got to that place where I was just like, oh, I'm really missing, missing Joel. And it really was really Pronounced to me as far as, like, how the show's been different with him, gone. But this week with the flashbacks, pulled me back in and it. And it worked. not. Not only because it was Joel, but because these cold opens just do such a good job as just sort of setting up these episodes and the, the. I guess the thesis that they're trying to. And the question that they're trying to answer, throughout that episode.

>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, last week is a stretch on that, but I understand with,

>> Will: Well, I think it was. That was. Yeah, yeah. I think what I. Last week's was more just the overall bigger picture choices that people have to make in dire circumstances. But.

>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, and we're. We're not going to redread on. On that. but I. You can make some other arguments there. so m. Let's stick to this episode and move on to the first flashback, which is, Ellie's 15th birthday. And we find out that this occurred two months after they had first arrived in Jackson or returned to Jackson after the events of Salt Lake City. and this is honestly the, See this. Maybe it's because Bella looks like a child. I'm sorry.

>> Will: Yeah, she does.

>> Sarah : She really does. Like, So. So seeing her act in this way bounce off of Pedro, the happiness, the. The joy it was is really sweet. And then the banter, like we've. We've been missing the Ellie, especially in the first two episodes when Joel was still around. Yeah, we didn't get that because we. She was dealing with some other. And so really what these flashbacks are doing is fleshing out the context more of the first two episodes. and. And filling in some. Some holes. last week though, we saw Ellie pick up a guitar and start to play it and she started to sing a song. And then on her 15th birthday, that song that she started to play and stopped very abruptly was Future Days. And we see Pedro play it as Joel in this episode and sing it, to her. apparently he was very nervous about this scene.

>> Will: Yeah, I can understand why. Yeah, I know they talked. I. I was listening to the, after show podcast that, Troy Baker and Neil and Craig and they were talking about that and how both they didn't want to speak for Pedro. But then they did mention that. That he was. And you know, Troy was. Baker was like, oh, I was nervous too when I had to do this scene in the. In the game whenever, he. Whenever they recorded it. But also I guess they brought in. I guess A voice coach to help Pedro with the scene and whatnot. But, yeah, it was. It was very sweet. And, you know, I think that, to your point, I'm glad you. I'm glad you framed it that way. That we have been missing that, you know, that. That relationship between Joel and Ellie, because when we did start the second season, their relationship is clearly frosty. And. And so, you know, so this is starting. I like the way that this episode built up to, like, why. Why the frostiness was there at the beginning of the year.

>> Sarah : Right, right. Okay. I want to make sure we return to that. But, We. We also, We're also. They're contextualizing other things beyond just the birthdays and the dynamic between Joel and Ellie. Like, we hear about the burn and the. Where the tattoo came. Comes from, but in the events of these birthdays, we actually see the. The, It play out because on her 15th birthday, that's around the time when she first purposely burns her hand, her arm, because she really wanted to wear short sleeves again. And. And I think that why they decided to contextualize that is because they didn't want to really belabor. They. We're dealing with somebody who's going through the teenage years. Right. And so on top of all of the hormonal changes, it's also questioning of, who am I. Why am I here? Like, identity and all of that. Now, on one hand, Ellie. Ellie knows who she is, but on the other hand, because of the events of Salt Lake City, and there's a doubt that's a seed of doubt that has been planted, and it's. It's evolving and manifesting in these different ways with. And so her wanting to wear sleeves again, it's like, I wanna. I wanna be able to be honest with people and to tell them the truth. Like, I don't want to lie anymore, even though I feel like I'm kind of a part of this lie, that I don't really know what we're lying about, but I do. But I don't. And I don't understand. So. So it's a very. It's a very interesting thing. and on the flip side, you also have, like, I. I don't know for sure how old Sarah was in that first episode. So a part of me also gets the impression that, yeah, Joel had a daughter. He did not experience or get very far into the teenage years.

>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, I think that's fair. I mean, I really do think that's fair, especially as. As things sort of Progress as Ellie gets older.

>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. Birds and bees and, and. And he's also, Jewel, Jill, you, you don't understand women. And as much as you may know Ellie or think you know Ellie, there's also a side you don't. So, any. Anything you want to talk about specifically with this flashback to the 15th birthday?

>> Will: No, I, I think that really, I think you really hit the nail on the head with it. I mean, I think it's just. This is where Bella's look. Looking young. Even though I think she's what in real fiction, in real life she's what, 22?

>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, she's. She's older.

>> Will: Yeah. Let me apologize. Let me correct that they are 22. I want to be. I want to be respectful of her, of, of their pronouns. But yeah, Yeah, so. Yeah, so that really does play well to, to the Ellie's 15 year scenes. and I was even thinking. I was. As I was watching episode, I was just thinking that, you know, maybe. Maybe not consciously but it. It did like now that you, that you raised it. I was like yeah, that's. I was like yeah, that's, that's why this is. This is actually. Is working so well because of it. was almost. I feel like some regards. Pulling back to that. To the first seasons.

>> Sarah : Yeah.

>> Will: Where. Where that, where that relationship that I missed.

>> Sarah : Yeah. Or just the, the version of Ellie which, Which changes because like you go through those years and you come out the other side different person. I mean it's, it's a, It's a lot to go through especially like. I just want to belabor this point point a little bit. Like she knows, she knows. She's like she likes girl like the sexual. Sexually. Her sexual identity. She's knows for sure. But. And so I find it humorous that they kind of use that as a joke or, or throughout these three when really it's more about purpose and why is she here and she's questioning other things. Like there's an, There's a maturity also going on simultaneously. But to continue on the joy fest. and I, I do remember this cut scene very vividly. M. So I was, I was just like. I had a big grin on my face during this whole sequence on her 16th birthday, where Joel basically allows her to fulfill her dream of going into space. what. What are your thoughts about this? And you yourself being a father. And I'm sorry, Will, but this, this gift. You ever gonna be able to do that?

>> Will: Oh, being a father you know, I have to say the, I think that being a father of, of two, a now almost 20 year old now, and actually a 20 year old and and, and a 16 year old, a boy, girl and a boy. you know, this was a lot of memory, memory lane for me because, and especially when Joel took Ellie to, to the museum and, and especially given Ellie's love of outer space and, and, and, and these kids, you really, whenever they walked into that museum, it really, really struck me in this world that things like space travel and just the many, many f. You know, just even applying on the plane. I mean all those things that we just do now taking for granted, they don't, they don't have it. It's almost like, it's like a myth of old, of antiquity. so to, to, for him to like find that museum and, and do this for her, for, for ellie on her 16th birthday was just. Yeah, I mean, I, you know, that, that, I reckon I, I recognize that because I, I remember, you know, Mouth, you know, a milestone birthday for my daughter turning, 18. And it was during the pandemic. And, and so I, I, I could definitely identify with what Joel was very, what he was doing there because typically your 18th birthday is supposed to be a big, big thing. Right? But because of the circumstances, you know, we had had to adjust and, and, but you know, but still was able to find something very, very special for, for my daughter when they had their milestone birthday, even though, even though the world was shut down. So Joel being able to do this was. I really, really enjoyed that scene. I hadn't seen these cut scenes from the game, so I, this was completely new to me. Even though, even after, after the fact I learned how they pretty much went beat for beat, shot for shot with the set and everything with this, with this sequence for her birthday. But I really, really enjoyed it.

>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. And going, going to the museum, or to see the dinosaur. It's when we start to get the first sex conversation. M. Because for some reason Joel thinks that Ellie fancies Jesse. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

>> Will: All parents have been there in some, some form or fashion.

>> Sarah : And, and then, and I like how they just plant that seed and, and you think like, okay, that subject's gonna die. But no. One year later he catches her not only, in bed with Mel, but also Mel gave her the tattoo to cover the scar. And I just. Oh, what?

>> Will: And the doogie, the joint. So that's why.

>> Sarah : Oh, oh, yeah. I like, I, I don't for some reason that did not stick out to me at all. probably because we had already visited ah like a pot shop at some point. but, but so this is where really the crack like the everything in the prior two that were kind of like you. You could almost more of a subconsciously like things. Things were changing. Like this is the first crack which leads to the One of their biggest arguments. and a line that I just. I love so much. I love this line where Ellie says no, this is this is not your home. You, you don't own it. They gave it to us. You don't own anything the way she delivers it. And, and Pedro's response was just so well done because you know like just watching it that she's not just talking about the house that she, she, she definitely. And I think a part of her as most teenage children do has knows deep down she just said something that she kind of wants to take back because like it's true but it's also like that's pretty hurtful way to cut someone. And yeah. And it's just. And, and but it's also like she's again trying to figure out like you're not my dad and, and I, I also am not your daughter. Like also you can't act like I am Sarah. So, so, so she's trying to set boundaries in a very teenage way. and, and this also this escalation of the argument leads to the how Ellie ends up in the garage to begin with because. Because that seems like a healthy thing to do and kind of more of like okay, compromise here. I'm gonna get my own space. But I'm still connected to your house. I'm nearby, but it's mine.

>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Oh gosh. Yeah. It's just so you know there's like I said this, I think this episode resonates. Resonated with me in so many ways. Not only just from my own personal life experience. Not that I've had any kind of blow up like that but just, just navigating as, as your, as your young children become young adults. And You know just I was telling before how we recorded you know, picking up my daughter yesterday from. Finished in a second year in college and and, and, and that adjustment now that you know that they've been out now for, for two years and, and now back. Going to be back under the roof but having to you know, navigate that and even with my 16 year old son the same thing. It's just when I, whenever Joel walked? Yes. Just did the, you know, at least I try to always remind myself, like just do the, not, not only the courtesy knock, but actually the, the knock and like wait for the acknowledgment to come in. but when he just barged in like that and you know, it was just like, oh, yeah, I've had that parenting film, you know, more time than I would probably wish to admit. I just bared into the room. Wait a minute. No, no, no. I gotta respect their space. You know, they're young adults now. yeah, yeah.

>> Sarah : Do, did either of them dream about moss?

>> Will: No, neither one of them dreamed about moths, thankfully. Or shared any dreams about moths or anything like that. Yeah. Which again, again, to your point, it's like Joel thinking that he, yeah. Whenever he had that conversation with Gail in the, in the shop, it was, it gets to your point again too. It's just like he, he, he thinks he knows what's going on, but, but it is. Even in this post apocalyptic world, the, the parent thinking they're in the know is still, still, still pervades.

>> Sarah : Well, it's almost, it's almost like why, it's the optimistic perspective.

>> Will: Yeah.

>> Sarah : It's a dream. She's dream, she's obsessed with moths. Okay. I, the only thing I know, like, like, I think subconsciously he knew like butterflies relate to changing and growing up and all of that, but I think he just wanted, he didn't want to think about what the alternative was. Like again, he, he, through all of this, there's a complete, there's also no, nothing that is shown that Salt Lake City is weighing on him at all.

>> Will: Right. Right.

>> Sarah : It's, it's an event of the path it happened. He's moved on and, and he, and he is trying, whether consciously or subconsciously is trying to make sure Ellie's moving on too.

>> Will: Yeah.

>> Sarah : So, so the, the, the fact. And, and again, I, I like this scene with Gail, which sets up the next flashback, that we all kind of knew was coming. But again, like with, with this whole Eugene of it all.

>> Will: Yeah.

>> Sarah : From the beginning I've been like, yeah, Eugene, like this character, like Gail, like they weren't really around. So now I, I, I feel like the more I think about this season as a whole, the more I think that, what is happening is that in the first season we had an episode three, a full episode dedicated to two characters who were not Ellie and Joel, but told a story that was so relatable and then tied it to the journey of Ellie and Joel that you didn't feel like it was wasted time. You just was like. It was like a small portrait, a story within this larger story.

>> Will: Yeah.

>> Sarah : And I feel like this season, like there's at least two other. Not full episodes, but half of episodes where you kind of got the same thing last season. But I feel like in this season in particular, because, because of. Because they are tr. They had. They're having to focus in so, so much on Ellie and Joel's relationship so that. So that the revenge that Ellie is seeking is fully motivated. And, and, and. And right now in this episode, we're also fully understanding all of her complex emotions that led up to her last day with Joel. Like. Like they are trying to make sure that. That the world or the story does not feel as layered and complex, arguably, as last season does. Does that make sense?

>> Will: That makes. That makes complete sense. Because, I mean, this episode really, for me, it really. Listening to what your comments there, how this episode actually made this season better for me, honestly.

>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, it should. And I kind of. I kind of figured it would because I knew one scene in particular. I was like, okay, like this.

>> Will: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, the. Yeah. Ah, definitely the, the museum scene, definitely that. It definitely peaked my interest. I was like. I was locked in. But, but yeah, but whenever. The 19th birthday and I' whatever getting to, you know, pulling back in Eugene. But, you know, Ellie, you know, whenever we start the season, Ellie is doing the training and you know, we get the night. Their 19th, her 19th birthday, and she gets to, you know, go on patrol and, And, you know, again, to what I was saying earlier is really trying to establish that Ellie is not a kid anymore. You know, Joel started to treat. Treat Ellie as an adult, you know, and I think, you know, it goes back to what I was saying about my, you know, kids and being young adults and my daughter coming back from college. It's like, okay, I got, you know, the relationship. We all go through this. you know, I'm dealing with it now as a. As a parent, but also just remembering when I, you know, when I was 20 years old and, you know, the relationship with my parents evolved and I'm sure you with your parents, I mean, it's the same thing. And so, So I'm really, really liking how they. How they're using these flashbacks. I've seen some comments, like some folks, you know, as far as some of the commentary out there, did we need to have the full flashbacks? Could it be. Could these have been interspersed in other episodes. I think it, it, I think it having a standalone episode like this is actually a good thing because as a, to your point, what you were saying earlier and now it just, as I said earlier, it just makes this season to me, it has elevated this season for me. Whereas before I, was, I was starting to, I was, I was, I was having some mixed feelings about it.

>> Sarah : Yeah. I, yeah, I, I think. Could, could we these be like cold opens? Absolutely. There, there's so many ways you could have told this, this story. But I, I, I like the choice because it's different and I always feel like you need episodes in a season that, that fall out of the same, the same structure. just because, and I feel like that that's why our feelings about last week's episode were, our feelings is because we were getting to a point. It's like, okay, this is some more of the same. Where are we going? Like, like you, you need, you need something to change it up. And and, and I think that's important. And, and I also just the, the evolution of it all, like these back, these flashbacks weaving in the Eugene, which we all knew there was going to be a flashback episode of Eugene. Now I'm, I am kind of grateful it wasn't a full Eugene episode. and, and I, I really like how this all happens because yes, again, Joel lies to Ellie, but it's also the when, when Eugene is talking, like when he knows he's going to die and he's not getting his way, he can't go. Like they're not taking him to go see Gail. And he, he says, I'm dying. I, I'm terrified. I don't need a view. I need to see her face. Please let that be the last thing I see. Well, as soon as he says that line, I just think about how Joel is fortunate enough to have had like the irony of it. Joel was able to, see Ellie as the last face he'd seen. Right? Yeah.

>> Will: Oh yeah.

>> Sarah : Now think about the irony because in last week's episode, both Nora and Dina, at different points in time, tell Zellie. You should have never seen it. Like, it's worse. Not only how it happened, but the fact that you saw it. But the irony of that, like, for Joel, it was a blessing.

>> Sarah : Like I was just like, oh, that's, that's fascinating.

>> Will: Yeah.

>> Sarah : because, because in a way, like, well, so, so say, say Joel had done what Ellie had wanted right now, now would Gail still be as pissed because she. She then would have had to seen.

>> Will: Yeah.

>> Sarah : If not Joel, someone else shoot him in front of her.

>> Will: Mm.

>> Sarah : So like the. And I think at one point, I think later on, Ellie. Ellie calls Joel selfish.

>> Will: Yeah.

>> Sarah : And it's just the. The. The. The. The need to. To have that. That. That loved one that you hold the closest. Have that big connection to wanting to see them as last thing you see before you d. It's actually. That is selfish.

>> Will: It is.

>> Sarah : So I don't know. But.

>> Will: Yeah, it is. I mean, there's. I mean, I don't think there's. Yeah. I don't. I don't know if there's a right or wrong answer here. I mean, I think it's. It's. It's, You know, because I think, you know, with Joel's decision, I think, in every. I think. I think the through line though, is Joel taking people's agency away.

>> Sarah : Yes. Yeah. Yeah. He. He. He made the choice.

>> Will: Yeah.

>> Sarah : To do that. And arguably it was protocol. Like. And. And honestly. Honestly, in this case, I kind of feel like it was the right one.

>> Will: but.

>> Sarah : But he also. He didn't do a good job explaining, like the. For me, you say, take people's agency. I'm like, Joel just needs to learn how to not lie to Ellie. Okay. Can he not lie?

>> Will: Can he not lie? I mean, and I love. You know, it's. It's one of those. It's one of those things and it's. It's hard because, you know, he loves her so much and he's trying, you know, and he's trying. He has this, like. It is a very selfish thing because you, you do have this image of yourself built up in your head and you don't want to disappoint. I know. you know, whether it's. Whether it's being a parent or in a relationship with someone or your friends or whoever, it's just like you have this thing and, And. And confronting hard, you know, hard choices or hard decisions and stuff. Some, you know, you, You. You. You call yourself protecting that person by not, You know, like Joel was trying to protect Gail in that moment whenever they get back to. Back to the camp, back to Jackson and, And, And. But, you know, but sometimes it really. Sometimes you just gotta just tell the. Buckle up and tell the truth. And Ellie calls him out on it. And I, I know it's funny with the, I couldn't help but think when I was watching that scene, the, The. I did watch the preview last week for this week's episode. and how they edited that with, you know, you swore, and it was actually this scene, not the, not the, not the torch scene that they were really, you know, as far as the one, you know, five years, I guess, five years prior where what, what Ellie was really referencing. But, but I think it was, but it was, I think it was everything. I mean, at that point, Ellie. I think the other thing is with these, with these, flashbacks too is over time we were, you know, and we even see that scene of Ellie and her once, once she does move out of the house into the garage, you know, m Writing out the questions. Because at that point she, she did, she knew something. Especially, you know, whenever they were like walking. I think it was when they were walking to the museum. They saw the fireflies or maybe when they were out on patrol.

>> Sarah : No, when they were coming back. Back.

>> Will: Coming back?

>> Sarah : Yeah, from the m. Museum and. Yeah, and, and everything. Yeah. Like, I, I, I found it cute that she wrote down the questions, thinking about how Jesse told her right before the council meeting, you need to write down your thoughts. Why? Because when you just say so, I think, they, they, they did a good job about also not making these, making tie ins that you expect while also adding little things where you're just like, oh, so like, like the, the notes or, just the dream conversation with Gail, seeing Seth when like two months, like it contextualizes, recontextualizes their relationships with the other people within Jackson and how they found themselves in Jackson. But that, that does bring us to the Nine months later we see the dance hall scene, but most importantly, we get the actual full last conversation between Joel and Ellie. And I just, I need, I need your 100 honesty, Will. Because I, I, when we talked about the first episode or the second episode, depending on which one, did you really think that there was no last conversation between Ellie and Joel and that she really did just like walk right by him and not come back?

>> Will: Oh, gosh. You know, I thought about, when I was watching the scene, I was trying to remember our conversation about, about that whole get down. I think I, if I recall, I want to say I was like, I was hopeful that there was one, but I wasn't sure.

>> Sarah : Okay.

>> Will: Yeah. If I, if I recall, if I recall, I don't think I wasn't sure if there, if there was one. And I was just thinking how devastating if it was if they didn't have that opportunity to like get to, to, to try to make amends.

>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. yeah, the, I just, I, the. I go back and forth about the scene because there's a lot of really good dialogue that I love. I will say, though, I did notice that some parts. I thought it was better in the game, from a performance wise, because there, there's something about pauses where Ashley Johnson in the game, she, when she did this scene, I remember a lot feeling a lot more, like, unsure. And, and just her delivery, there was a lot more like, Like, I'm saying this, but I'm still questioning. Like, I'm, I'm, I'm halfway. Like, you're gonna have to meet me where I am. like when she says, I'll try. Like, there's a longer pause with the. Like, I don't think I can forgive you for this. And then. But I'll try. Like, there's a pause and I feel like, Bella rushed it. in my opinion, that took it a me a little bit out of there. And, and then I feel like they cut way too. Like, I just wish that for this final exchange there had been some more silence to really let the, the words hit and, the processing of the. Finally, the truth. Now on the flip side. Freaking Pedro. Like, I, I love this man for. Because we're getting some eye acting. We're getting some, like, he doesn't really have to say anything, but he's saying everything. And it's just, it's just such a beautiful response to. Honestly, so much. like, like, it's so. Like, I love that side.

>> Will: But yeah, yeah, no, I. So as far as the performance, I think both of them, just killed it. I mean, they did. and so I, I, I, I. But I, I hear, I hear your, I do hear what you're saying about Bellas. maybe the. Paul's, the, could have like, done a few different things. Or maybe, you know, and Druckman. Neil Druckmann, who, who, obviously is creator of the game, directed this episode. so maybe, you know, maybe he was just trying to, for live action, directed it a little different from, to, to distinguish it from the game. Because didn't this. See that. I know that in the, in the game, if I recall, isn't this the, the very last scene in Part two?

>> Sarah : No.

>> Will: Okay. I thought. Yeah.

>> Sarah : No, no, no, not Part two. No, no, no, no. We're far from the final scene of Part two.

>> Will: Okay, well, no, no, but. Or maybe, maybe I think. Or maybe it's like, or some, something about. Because I remember them talking about it they depart. It was, it was a departure from how it was, like, done in a game.

>> Sarah : I, I, I'm pretty sure it is shown later in the game. M. But I, So without trying not to give anything away or anything.

>> Will: Yeah, that's fine.

>> Sarah : I know. I, I can see, why they wouldn't want to save that, because if they, if they didn't do it this episode, how would you feel about having to wait another year and a half?

>> Will: Yeah.

>> Sarah : And also, that wouldn't be the first episode you're, you'd be talking about, like, yeah, like, I, I, they chose to, like, I, I see. I can understand in terms of what they're trying to do this season, why they would want to do that early and not hold that back. Yeah, yeah, so, so, so that makes sense.

>> Will: Got it. Yeah, but, yeah, yeah, but just, but, but getting back to just the, the, the, all the things going on with, between Joel and Ellie taken out of the production pieces of it, but just D.C. in itself. yeah, I mean, you're right. I mean, whatever. I had a couple thoughts too, as far as, like, how, how they were portraying Joel and, just overall in this. I mean, yes, he's a selfish dude, but sometimes I was just feeling like they were, like, it was almost for me sometimes overkill, like how, how they were making them be, like, a selfish prick, you know, that wasn't, you know.

>> Sarah : What do you mean?

>> Will: I mean, because, I don't know, there's something about, I mean, I mean, I get where, I get. Yes, it was a very selfish thing that he, that, that, that Joel did, and, but, you know, especially whenever he doubled down is like, if I had to do it all over again, I would. Yeah, but, but, you know, but on the other hand, and I know we discussed this with the first, you know, whenever, you know, with the whole thing that happened in Salt Lake, I, I mean, I, I, I can get where he's coming from, as far as just not losing the one you love, but, you know, but to your point, you know, you, you made a great point earlier about, you know, he got, you know, it was a twisted blessing that he did get to see the person he loved the most at his last moment. Yeah, so, so, yeah, so, yeah, so it was just a very complex, complex thing, but at the end of the day, him, you know, when she gave him that last opportunity to finally tell the truth, as hard as it was for him to do it, you know, he, he did, you know, they're pulling it back to the, to the cold, open he did do a little better than his. Than his father did.

>> Sarah : Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, yeah.

>> Will: It's not a quantum leap butter, but he did better. You know, he didn't. You know, it wasn't like his grandfather who, like, broke his father's jaw.

>> Sarah : No. And he. He hit Ellie and he never hit the boys. He. He never hit Sarah. Now, granted, his father didn't raise girls, so.

>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, he didn't hit.

>> Sarah : So. So I. I just think as a. As a parent, though, I think. I think Joel as a parent is a very fascinating, specimen. Because there's a gap of time when he was without a child.

>> Will: Yeah.

>> Sarah : So there. There's like a nuance here where. And something that. Again, why we have an entire. Entire episode dedicated to these flashbacks and specifically zeroing in on this relationship. Because. Because we haven't seen this relationship in three episodes. And when we got it in the first two episodes, it was. It was fractured. And, And there's also, like, this. Making sure the audience knows. No, they were not biologically related, but for all intents and purposes, what they gone through and the protection and the love, especially from Joel to Ellie, that was paternal and, for all intents. And. And I love that. That he says that, like you. I love you in a way that you. You can never understand.

>> Will: Yeah.

>> Sarah : Yeah. Until you have one of your own. And, And. And so to juxtapose that now thinking in present day, that scene. I'm gonna be a dad. Like, they're doing a lot of really good parallels here, with, With the past, present and future.

>> Will: Yeah.

>> Sarah : And so. And that's like. Like to say. But I would like to try. Cut to present day Seattle. And Ellie is walking away from the hospital. Yeah. She's walking in dead of night. And we know there's WLF all over the place, and yet she's clearly just walking. Ah. After probably killing Nora and probably a few others to get out of there.

>> Will: Yeah.

>> Sarah : Please make that right, Neil, because that bothers me so much.

>> Will: That's like. That's like, Like you were saying last week with Andor. With Cyril, you know, all the laser bolts flying around and he's somehow making it through.

>> Sarah : Right? It is, it is. And there's a lot of last week's episode of Last of Us where I was just like, that's convenience. Convenience there too. Convenience. but. But we're. We're seeing. We're seeing present day even again. Even the bad lessons a parent wants to give or like, like the bad things they do. Pass down. So. And Ellie is. Ellie is in protection mode. Like, she. She, she is. She is in. I'm getting my revenge. I don't care who's in front of me. And I. Yeah, I'm gonna kill you all. So. So yeah, if she had to do it all over again, she'd still go and kill Nora.

>> Will: She would.

>> Sarah : She has no, no guilt about that. But.

>> Will: Yeah.

>> Sarah : All right, well, that sets us up for the final episode that we will talk about next week. and that brings us to the final three episodes of Andor season two. We have episode 10, Make It Stop, episode 11. Who else knows in episode 12, Jetta, Kybro, Erso. Kybera. Ah, Kyber.

>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Kyber Crystal. Yeah.

>> Sarah : Yeah. Will, what did you think about the last three episodes of the Andor?

>> Will: Oh, gosh, I. Yeah, as you can imagine, I absolutely loved the. These episodes. really, to me was like. It was a final. It was, in some respect, yes, it was a series finale, but also to me also felt like a. A penultimate episode too, because the final. The. The. The season or series finale is. It's clearly Rogue One. But I, but you know, before, for the three episode chapter of just keeping it back to this, to these three episodes, it. To me it did what it needed to do, which is all these characters that we have been introduced to the last two seasons, we do, you know, we get, We. We get their stories. We see the ramifications of all of the decisions that were made. We, get a, you know, episode 10, which I think was, I think 10. And, and the final are the two ones that stand out. To me, 11 was also very good, don't get me wrong. And I think you, know, I think I, I think people probably seen the imd, database. I think it's like the first show, at least as of when I saw it over the weekend, I had like, you know, five episodes in a row with nine and a half or higher as far as the audience scores. But just for me personally, I, I love these. This arc. and I. And I did as you could. You probably won't be surprised, Sarah. since I finished episode 12, I went straight into Rogue One. I did. And it really. Everyone, I will say, does hit differently now after watching this. Watching this series in a good way.

>> Sarah : Well, well, somebody told me that in about two weeks we were gonna watch Rogue One and talk about it on the show, but so I didn't go in. Even though I kind of wanted to just throw it on and have it. In the background. But I didn't.

>> Will: Yeah, I couldn't help it. I was so. I, I needed more. After, after I finished the finale, I did. I was just like. Even though it was like, it's like, late, but I, I, I, I, I was just so pumped, especially with the, with the, the montage scene, the.

>> Sarah : Long montage that would definitely.

>> Will: Oh, I love the montage. And the music, and it just builds up.

>> Sarah : Of course you love it. I'm talking about. I'm trying to get my thoughts in there, sir.

>> Will: Yeah, I do. Okay, I, I will shut up now because I, I will completely gush. Y. Everybody knows I love this show, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna sit back and let you bring, you know, calibrate the enthusiasm.

>> Sarah : I love the stutter. I didn't fall asleep during it. Although I will be honest, there are a few times I was going to. I was bored. Yeah, I. So having just admitted that, a part of me did want to throw on Rogue One right after watching the last episode. Yeah. This, the, the series. The series, and especially these last three episodes did what they were supposed to do and intended to do. Did I enjoy watching them? it was all right. I am just. I just felt like the first episode, episode 10, Make It Stop, was interesting because I was not expecting to see Luthen's Swan Song, as I call it. I call this episode Lutheran Swan Song, because we get his flashbacks. And then also Clea. We get so much more Clea. And I've just been like, girl, you've been around. But if I knew you were this interesting, why haven't we been shown more of you from the start? Like, I would like to be more invested in you, but I'm getting it a lot at the end. And I think that's, like, a little bit of my problem where I, I just. Some of these characters, like, for me, as someone who's not overly invested in the lore, who's not overly invested in, like, the historical events of this universe or anything or the timeline, I, I just, I am. I'm finding that there were a lot of really interesting characters, and I'm just like, why couldn't we spent more time exploring them? Or I, I would feel more attached because by the end of it, Luthor, then I didn't even feel that attached to. Yeah. Yeah. And. And yet, he. He's a fascinating character who. I just wish we had felt. I don't know. I don't know what also took me out of it. A little bit is I felt like I kept predicting death. Like who. I just, I just was like, okay, and, and Lutheran's gonna kill that guy. Yep, that's gonna happen. And then this is gonna happen. And then it just, it just started to be like, okay, can, can we at least have. Can somebody continue to live? But.

>> Will: Well, a lot of people actually. So I take a little bit. So I had the opposite. I was, I was actually a couple things. one, I think Clea was an interesting character throughout. I will say. I think the second scene, I think the second, the back half of the second season did, because I did give.

>> Sarah : Her.

>> Will: Showed more as far as their relationship. So that whenever episode 10 does happen, you do see it really, to me it fleshed out like her true role as far as keeping things tidy with the the rebellion, you know, because I, as I, as I, as I watched it especially like whenever she was and in her last moments together, whenever, you know, whenever you told her to like, you know, she told him to like, you know, tuck in your shirt before, before Dedra showed up and you know, and all that kind of stuff. you know, to me it was. I, I even thinking back to some of the spycraft and you know, and some key conversations she had with Cassian, I think she played a pretty important role to me.

>> Sarah : At least I didn't say she didn't. I just said I would have liked to have spent more time with her.

>> Will: Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. Well, I would like to spend. Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. Well, I would like to spend, you know, spend more time with all these characters. I mean, you're right. I mean, I think the, I mean I think that was the, the blessing and curse of the, of the arcs and compressed in it from a five season show to a, two season show. But.

>> Sarah : Yeah.

>> Will: Yeah. Okay. I just want to be clear. I wasn't, And so that's why, that's why I asked that. That's why I asked that question. Okay. And I agree with you there. Yeah. Oh, I just. Well, maybe I made that statement as far as some of, some of Clay's things and, and, and that's why I just further said that. Yeah, I would agree. I do agree with you. I wish I could have spent more time with some of these characters.

>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. what else do you gotta help me through this, Will.

>> Will: Okay. Okay. Usually. Okay, I will, I will try to. I will. Well, since we're talking about, Lutheran, because I mean, I think he. To me, I think to your. Another thought I had was Just as I was watching this arc and I think let's just do it by characters instead of doing about episodes because I think, with these arcs, they're clear through lines throughout. And. And sticking with Loofin, really see his, his shadow, just his presence throughout everything. With these episodes, of course, you know, we do get the, you know, the, the very. And I will say the thinking as we think about to our conversations of the last of us and and the dynamic as far as people have to make hard choices for people they love and you know, Clay having to, you know, make the hard decision. Well, I mean she made, you know, she, she. Whenever things were going forward, I was wondering, okay, is she going to try to break him out or she's. Is she there going to go there to like finish him off? Because at the end of the day he can't be res. He can't be, They can't recuperate him to. Because he would spill everything. So, you know, so she made the, you know, every. You know, it keeps going back to we. That, you know, I think back to Lutheran speech in the first season. I mean he. He knew that he was not going to see that sunrise of freedom. And so, you know, and, and so when Clea did what she had to do to you to. To pull the plug, I mean it. It made complete sense for me. and then also just later, later into episodes when, you know, Cassian has, you know, whenever the. The. The Lufin's not being a team player and and. And Cat and the senators, you know, around the council room. M. You know, bad mouthing him and stuff. And you know, Cassian's like, look, you know, don't. Don't, you know, take paraphrase, Will Smith, you know, take your. Take his name out of your. Out of. Out of your mouth if you're going to be bad mouthing him. Because, you know, if. If it hadn't been for Lutheran and doing all the sacrifices and one of the things that Cassian like reaches out and says, like, hey, you know, if it wasn't for him, y' all wouldn't be here. So as far as.

>> Sarah : Did that, come out of left field in terms of how the council felt about Luthan?

>> Will: yes and no. I think I, I think it was for. For those two senators. I think, you know, we. We were seeing that tension especially in that. In the previous arc when. Welcome to the Rebellion. you know, some of the. And also, you know, we always had the partisans like Saul as well. It it on the one hand, I get where they were coming from. especially the, the two senators who were, you know, clearly bad mouthing them. Bell Organa. I was like, you know, he was kind of on the fence. He. To me, he, he, he. He got what Cassian was saying and he understood it. But at the same time, you know, he did play some hard treats to Cassian. Like, look, you know, you're your man. You know, he didn't come under the fold unlike the rest of you. So, so I think there was. So I thought it was, I thought it was really showing the messiness of, of, of the alliance coming together.

>> Sarah : Yeah. I, to me, it felt out of left field. I felt like, I mean, to go back to what you just said before with the. You're cutting a story from five seasons to two seasons. Like, I understand why they had to kind of make him an outsider and, and the Coruscant of it all and, and him. and I can. The only person who I, I bought any of it from was Mon Mothma. But that's also because we spent multiple episodes seeing their dynamic. And this season in particular, from the first episode with, or the first three episodes with her having like, him killing her closest oldest friend because of that, like I. And then leading to the welcome. And the tension between them throughout. Welcome to the Rebellion episode. Like, I understand her. The others. I was just like, what. It just for me as a viewer, it. There was a disconnect there. that's all I'm saying. That's just how I feel about it.

>> Will: Yeah. I mean, I think they're. Well, for me, I. And maybe this is our level of engagement with this show. is to me, I think it's. For me, it didn't come out of left field. Especially when Cassian like, you know, calls him out on it. As far as, like, you know, y' all have made a fraction of the sacrifices, right? Yeah.

>> Sarah : I think Cassian's responses all made sense. Didn't come out of left field. Yeah, I just, I thought like, I was just like, well, how did, how did any of this happen? Like we've been told Lutheran's mastermind for this whole time, like, why are you guys acting like he's a traitor? So I don't know. It just felt weird to me. But it also did allow them or allow a. A interesting hesitation for. Or Clea who. With the flashback episode we see Clee as a young girl where I felt, I felt more. These. These three episodes, what I took interest in is like. Like I've never questioned why is CLE involved in this? Like, what drew her to the cause? And. And I don't. I don't know if this is about making hard choices, but it's about. The reality is you are never going to have that normal life. And it's the exact same thing that Bix and Cassian were arguing about in the first episode. And. And you're throwing this. This away, and you're also causing some of the chaos and the destruction and everything. Like, you're, You're. You're. You're contributing to it. You're a co. Conspirator, whether you like it or not. So. So. And then to find herself, like, with these. This information and the fact that her. Her mentor, her father figure is now dead and died for it. She just is like, she. She's lost. And. And I don't know. They. It, was very interesting. And then like, why would I want to return go to Yavin? And I like how Cassian put it, like. Like, you'll get a hero's welcome. And like, don't you want to see the place that you built? And so I can. I really like the irony, I think of. Of Clea. Much like how I like the irony that plays out with dear Deidre and the. Her wanting. Having found access only for her to be put in jail. The, Like, it's an irony. Now, I did say last week Deidre better get a. A good ending. Do I think this was a good ending? It was all right.

>> Will: It was the perfect ending. It was the perfect.

>> Sarah : It wasn't as good as Cyril, but, it'll do. I just wish again we spent more time with Deidre. I felt like we barely seen her, and next thing I know, she's being tossed in jail and I'm just like, oh my God. But. But yeah. Yeah, it was.

>> Will: Yeah. I thought it, For me, I thought that was the perfect. You know, the perfect ending for her is this. She's got it. Like, she, you know, because whenever. Whenever Krennic was interrogating her and yeah, it just showed like the scene where he like, you know, put his thumb, you know, put his finger on that stuff, which apparently was completely improvised. But you. Whatever. One of the thing. The other thing that stuck, you know, stuck out with me with that was like, you know, she. She. You know, if you're not a real rebel spy, you missed your calling. because, you know, because I think back to her conversation early on with part of guys as far as whenever she was fixated on access, even though they had given her the Gorman assignment for her to really to, to, to, to help with getting the Death Star built and all that kind of stuff. Because she was one of the few people around that, you know, that did know exactly what the true nature, what the true nature of the energy program was and, and then how her, her, you know, one of the other fascinating things too with, with, with her was like, because, because of her ambitions and everything and, but, but the how, again, the mistrust, you know, to your, you know, to something I think they really did a good job of showing on the, the Empire side. Probably better. I think maybe what you're, maybe what you're possibly getting at was like the why the senators seemed out of place as far as. With Lutheran was the mistrust. because I think they did do a, you know, you know, with the, with this, with the isb. they, they really did have that dynamic. You know, thinking back to the first season with, with Dedra and, what's his name? Bissell or I can't remember the other agent. But, her pushing back to Krennic was like, I had to become a scavenger because y' all didn't like, you know, you turned me into one. I really thought that that line really resonated with me whenever she and Krennic were going back and forth.

>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, it was, it was a good, it was a good scene. I, I like all of Deidre's scenes always.

>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but yeah, like I thought, like I said, I thought that was her ending was, was fitting to. She just has to sit there and just, you know, she didn't get the, she didn't get the easy way out like Cyril did after, after his whole, you know, Cyril's threat. I think Cyril's death is even more tragic because he, you know.

>> Sarah : It is.

>> Will: Yeah.

>> Sarah : Because it was his whole life too. Yeah.

>> Will: Yeah. I mean, his whole. In that span of like that in Gorba, his, Everything just came crashing down. And then when Cassie just does the. Who are you? That was just. Yeah, Yeah. I think Cyril's of the characters that, that came out of this show. I think he was definitely one of the ones that somehow I ended up. I was, I was really sympathetic. I had, you know, I was, he was sympathetic to me. I, I, I, I, I Sneaky. Really like Cyril.

>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah.

>> Will: yeah, but, yeah, but then the rest of it too, you know, as far as, what part of gas, you know, whatever His. You know, speaking of people's endings and you know, I really like the scene with the. With the. Whenever, He's like. I had to collect my thoughts. And as soon as they. As soon as he said that, to your point, I mean. Yeah, we knew where that was going. but also whenever the stormtroopers were, you know, heard a shot and large, it was like, nope, nope. You know, so just. I don't know if it was trying to protect what dignity part of gas had left or. Or what. But, I thought that was a. Thought that was a. Yeah.

>> Sarah : And he didn't understand that so he was gonna get blamed for something.

>> Will: Yeah, well, you know, because Dedra. Yeah. The whole ISB basically, like, you know, and they set it up with. Earlier on when. When Krennic and. And part of Gods were talking after. Yeah. you know, because, you know.

>> Sarah : Oh. Because. Because it. They fail to stop the, Stop. Get clea. And that's really where. Okay. Okay. Yeah, yeah, that makes. That makes sense. It was just an awkward.

>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, they set it up earlier.

>> Sarah : Awkward.

>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So whenever. The whole thing. Because that's when. When part of guy throws it back to Krennic. You know, saved the speech for the. For Palpatine. Yeah, that. That. Yeah. So that was that whole context there. So. Yeah, so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we got, you know, of course we did get our K2, scenes and you know, of course the hallway scene with K2 and the, you know, dead. the kid who, like, actually ended up, you know, replacing Deadra even though he, you know, so we had that, And, you know, I like the whole K2.

>> Will: The. The scene with K2 and. And. And Mil, she and Cassie and also, you know, playing poker there after. You know, I guess this. After Bix has moved on and Cassian was, You know, I guess he just, you know, he's like, okay, established my life. Now I'm a bachelor. And you know, so he thinks. And he just is having. Having a night out out with the fellas. But these were the kind of scenes I liked about this show too, because it just kind of help with that groundedness as far as just like, yeah, all these things are going on, but, you know, people are still doing just regular, you know, regular things. And. And, you know, And. And, you know, even thinking back to like, when Cassian was making dinner for Bix, you know, those little texture things, I really just really like, really enjoyed about this series.

>> Sarah : Yeah.

>> Will: Yeah, yeah. Oh, I have to. But before we. Before we end I had to, I do have to ask. What do you think about the Bix of it all?

>> Sarah : The books of it all? so I will admit that on, like, Wednesday or Thursday, randomly on my for you page, like, the scene came up. I feel the whole time. Yeah, I just. Cool. I, I'm like, I, I'm totally checked out on that whole dynamic. So I was like, okay, cool. She has a child. That's. That's awesome. He's gonna die and never come. And. But he also, like, I just don't think they handled that correctly. I don't think that they. I should have, as, as somebody who ships. And when I ship, I ship hard.

>> Will: You do.

>> Sarah : So. So when it doesn't work, it's that much more concerning. Okay. Because it should have, it should have. I should have been like, oh, well, at least. But the way they dealt with it this season, it just, it felt rushed. I didn't feel like they're, Especially this, these last three episodes, like, what we get in only, does Vel mention to Cassian to reconnect with Vix in the last episode? Yeah, yeah, the very last episode. And it's like, it's only been a year, and yet he's clearly just, just, just doing his thing, perfectly fine. Like, like, it's just weird to me because he's also the one who wanted to give it all up for her, so I would have expect. I think there should have been something else. Like, there should have been more m. More, more of a torch, per se. but, but yeah, so, so when they show her, Emma's like, okay, cool, cool.

>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

>> Sarah : Escape alive and is able to have her family without the father. Awesome. Good for you, Bix.

>> Will: Yeah, I, I, I, I see that. I mean, I, I do see, because not from the shipping standpoint or whatever, but just more. I mean, I, I do. I mean, on the one hand, I, I see your point. On the other hand, I could see where she. Again, she, she, he. But even if she says that she, he would have talked her, you know, he, he would have talked her out of it.

>> Sarah : This is nothing. My criticism, like, don't get me wrong. My criticism not about her. It's about him.

>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, I got it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it. Yeah, yeah. yeah, so, So I told. I totally get that. Totally get that. Speaking of, Speaking of Val, I did like the fact that they did have that scene between Cassian and Val just to, like, you know, toast to all the, to all the fallen along the way. I, thought that was really, really good. And. And also to the schedule going back to party, guys, also just to hear Nemec's, M. Manifesto being played right before he, As he. As he. As he goes to, As he. As he ponders his fate. And this. This, as far as tyranny, requires an unnatural effort. It breaks. At least oppression is the mask of fear. I thought that was just. Just again, chef's kiss. As far as this, we were just in getting through the end here, of the. Of the. Of the series. And also, like I said, it may be. And like I said, I mean, you know, I've made no secret how, you know, I do see the historical parallels in real life with a lot of things that happen in this show. And so maybe that's just. Maybe another reason why it's just been, like, resonated with me, and, you know, with some of the. With some of the things that were going on there.

>> Sarah : Right.

>> Will: Yeah.

>> Sarah : Was he listening to that or were they just playing it over?

>> Will: He was listening to it because, remember, he was listening because he actually went, out when his friend, when his, compatriot came in. He pressed the stop button.

>> Sarah : Right, right. Okay, that's what I thought. Why was he listening to it?

>> Will: I think he. I think he realized the futility of it all. He was of. Of what? Of the Empire. I think he.

>> Sarah : No, no, I understand that.

>> Will: Yeah.

>> Sarah : But see, it seems weird to me, like. Like, had he heard it before? Like, I don't think you can answer the. These questions honestly, but. But, like. Like, they had. They had because where. Where did he even get it from?

>> Will: They confiscated it from Cassian because, remember, Cassian happened in the first season.

>> Sarah : Okay, so Cassie, not in the first. Okay, okay. That all falls. So they. They had listened to it and then. Okay, what? It's been like three or five years? Yeah, it's been a long time since the first season. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. So. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I like it. Don't get me wrong. I like it, but it's also kind of, like, weird.

>> Will: Yeah, this is. This is why I'm here. This is. This is why I'm m. Here for you. I'm here for you to help her pull fill in the blanks.

>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. I just. I just like. I like the choice, but it's also kind of like m. That's an interesting choice for someone who's, But, yeah. Yeah, all right.

>> Will: Yeah, but like I said, I. Yeah, yeah, It. It. It I really, really enjoyed this series. Definitely will be going back to it. If folks, if you did, if you listen, one little thing for folks, if you are, are nerded out about it, it's me and you've probably already done it anyway. But but if you do listen to the end credit, if you watch the end credits, there's a nice little, you know, do hear the. As a. As I mentioned earlier, you know, the songs do change from the more electrical electricity electronica theme beat to the more orchestral and you know, going into Rogue One. But at the very end of the credits they do have, they do play the original Star wars theme. So, so just for, for those folks who are. Yeah, so just wanted to, wanted to drop that for, for folks.

>> Sarah : All right, well, on that note, Will, why don't you tell our listeners where they can find you.

>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at, Will and Polk. W I L L M P O.

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