This Show Keeps Getting BETTER | Paradise Season 2 Episodes 2-4 Review

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>> Will: Foreign.

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>> Sarah : Greetings Nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your

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host, Sarah Belmont, and with me, as always, is

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our Mr. Producer, will Will Polk How are you doing

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tonight, Will.

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>> Will: Doing very well, sir. How you doing this evening?

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>> Sarah : I'm doing good. It is March.

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>> Will: It is March. Well, yes, it is. Spring is around

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the corner, and I'm so happy for that.

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>> Sarah : I don't know. I. I know that we live in two

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different worlds.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : Because your corner and my corner are very

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different. I'm dealing. Last week, we had a

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horrendous snowstorm hit us for multiple days, and

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then immediately it dropped to 40 below. But this

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is the strangest 40 below. Will. This, that I've

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ever experienced. In all my years of living up

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here, the state and city I was born in, I've never

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experienced a 40 below that I was aware of. Okay.

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Granted, it could have happened to where it is

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like, 40 below at 6am by noon, it is warmed up to

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25 below by like 4pm and it's maybe 15 below. But

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then it drops again.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : It is just. It's. It's. You're in the morning over

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the weekend. I was looking out the window and I'm

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like, I see the ice fog. It just looks cold. When

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it's that low of a temperature, you can look

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outside and you can see how cold it is. But then

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by the afternoon, you're like, oh, this is a

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beautiful winter day. It was a beautiful Internet.

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So it's just. It's. It's. I'm. I'm living in very

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much. I mean, I'm glad we're talking about

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paradise because to some extent, I feel like I am

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living a bizarre. It's been a strange winter. And

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I know, Lord, you, all in the lower 48 have also

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experienced some very strange weather this year.

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But, yeah, if.

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>> Will: Well, I could be like President Baines and try to,

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like, you know, tell it, tell, tell, you know, try

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to create a dome where, you know, we can control

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the weather or we can see the weather or something

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like that I don't end up liking, though. But, you

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know, but I am glad we are. We are talking about

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paradise. And I know we got delayed last week due

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to. Due to the crazy weather you're having in the.

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In Alaska. But, yeah, let's, But I'm ready to jump

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into, into our discussion if you are.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, we're. We're talking. We're gonna start

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with, the second episode, Mayday. Xavier battles

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the elements and other threats as he follows a

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broadcast to Atlanta in search of his wife Terry.

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My. My question where I want to start this

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conversation. Well, about this specific episode is

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the flashback. Why do you think the writers chose

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the initial meeting between Terry and Xavier to,

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open up? And I mean, it's basically the B

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storyline throughout this episode. But why do you

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think they chose that moment, of their initial

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meeting to kind of kick off the season for Xavier?

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>> Will: I think it just. It reminds us of the stakes that

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he is. Why he is leaving the bunker, you know, to

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remind us of the love story between. Well, it

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really showed the. The sort of origin story of. Of

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Terry and. And Xavier because, you know, when we

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see them, when we meet Terry in season one, you

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know, it was. It was sort of introduced the theme

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to get as a family unit because it was, you know,

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there was a thing going on at the school. Xavier

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was the, you know, you know, we saw Xavier that.

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We know, the. The guy who has to, you know, be in

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control and. And everything. Terry was. Whenever

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they were meeting with the principal, you know,

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she was the, you know, she was the one who was

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more, I guess, more savvy, or maybe not savvy,

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but, she was, you know, she, you know, you know

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where she was coming from, and she was very open

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and. And all that. So introduce. So I think. So we

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saw her in that state, but then we see them there

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in the room and it really, I think, shows the how.

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Why that dynamic sort of got started. And we. And

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we saw a side of Xavier where he's, you know, the,

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you know, the savior had game. Granted, it was a

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little bit corny after a while, but it was still,

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you know, game as far as, you know, wooing her.

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And I love the interactions between the two

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characters, especially when, you know, Terry was

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like, you know, just because there's a cute guy in

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the other. In. In my room, I. I have. I have. I

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have, I have things and goals that I want to

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achieve. And it's not just getting married, but

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also. Also I think frames why she stayed in

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Atlanta. whenever, you know, what even, you know,

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especially when Xavier was trying to tell her,

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look, you know, things are coming, you know, of

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course, Kyle didn't give him the full story, but

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yeah, it just really. It just for. For viewers who

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saw the show in the first season, it reminded us,

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you know, about their dynamics and it really

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explains, like, why we saw the Terry, you know,

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once they have been married for, you know, many

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years in that dynamic. But then we see the seeds

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and the roots of that with this, with this

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introduction. Put the two of them in the hospital

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room.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I don't think they were different from the

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meaning of the hospital to, where we saw them days

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before the day or weeks, what, however long in

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between. That was more of a present version of

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them. but, And I think it had way more to do with

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Terry than it did have have to do with Xavier.

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Just because, and granted I've. We all know this

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and I'm just gonna repeat it again, because I

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bring it up anytime we talk. Paradise. Dan

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Fogelman and Sterling. Hey, Brown. I watch this as

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us, his game that you speak of. That's just

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Sterling K. Brown. Okay. I still listen to the

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that Was Us, podcast, so I have a pretty good

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grasp as to who Sterling K. Brown, like the public

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Persona he presents. And, and I'm just like, yep,

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he just went from Xavier off to Sterling K. Brown

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has entered the building to turn up the heat. so,

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so, but I agree that like in, in regards to Terry,

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I thought the things that stuck out, one you've

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already mentioned in terms of even, even then she

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was very much like, I, you're hot. And I would

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totally go for it. However, you ain't gonna get in

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my way. And it, and it just echoed the later on

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version where even after she goes for it, they do

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get together, they have kids, she has that.

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There's still a part of her that has clearly

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prioritized that ambition she has for her career

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above, which arguably is different than what

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Xavier has presented. And so I'm curious how that

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will be explored in terms of like, survival. And

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whenever we do get them back together, just maybe

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some of the animosity, between them about that

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kind of prioritization and then also their, their

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clear love, for, for one another like that is

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there. Granted, we've only seen it mainly from

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Xavier. So as we start to get to know and more

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understand Terry, it will come more. I think

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they're planning kind of in a way a character

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redemption. But, the other thing that stuck out to

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me was her scoliosis.

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>> Will: Yes.

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>> Sarah : I was very surprised by that. I, I, and then, and

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then the temporary blindness that occurred. I and,

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and I think that's also again leads into her love

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for science and her ambition in that field. So, so

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I thought that was a very telling sign. Somebody

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who's clearly broken, which, which I kind of go

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back to the first episode and Annie's story and

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her mom, because her mom, we also see a doctor.

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Very smart. But then ultimately as a mother is

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seen as where her daughter steps up at a very

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early age to be. To caretaker.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : So I, We. We're now seeing two women who have that

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ambition and, and more so the. The smarts to

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follow up that ambition, but are. Are also,

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carrying this weight of illness and disease.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's, That's a good

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point too. And, and also, I think it also for me

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helps, frame sort of Xavier as well as far as his,

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you know, his, his protective streak or his, his

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nurture maybe, I guess nurturing. I mean, he's,

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you know, he's, you know, whenever we. We see him

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in the room there with Terry, you know, at first,

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whenever. When I first watched the episode, I have

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to say I was wondering, was this just a Fulgman,

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you know, Fulgman, you know, parallel thing?

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Because I want to say in episode two, the first

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season, I think that was when Sinatra had, you

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know, when her son ended up in the hospital too.

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And, and so it was, part of. It was a sort of

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like, okay, how. How whenever our. Our central

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characters are impacted by a. A situation like

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this where someone they care for, in Sinatra's

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case or son and Xavier's case, you know, he was,

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he was at that point, obviously he and Terry just,

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Just met, but it was. He true. He was building

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feelings for her. I mean, and, and how he, you

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know, how he handled her illness there in the

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hospital, you know, really, you know, we see that.

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You know, we see. We, we. It shows how it's what

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he's doing now as far as going to. Literally going

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to leave the safety of the bunker, leaving his

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kids and everything really shows like, the depths

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of his, you know, how he, you know, what he, what

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he will do to. For the people that he cares about.

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And so, in a, you know, in a positive way. And

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then of course, you know, Sinatra is the other

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side of the coin where, you know, she does. She

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also will go to the ends of the earth to do things

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too. But maybe the, you know, her. Her means of

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doing so end up hurting people. Whereas Xavier's

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always trying to figure out a way to like, trust

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people and, you know, do it, does it from a place

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of like, good parts of humanity versus, you know,

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the negative parts of it.

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>> Sarah : So, so if anybody's listened to our discussions

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about, or new to listening to our discussions

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about paradise, this is a reminder that Will hates

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Sinatra. Okay? So I have to take up the platform

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of always defending Sinatra because Will just does

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not like her. Okay.

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>> Will: Because I'll be balanced. I'll be balanced.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. Well, I I don't think you will be

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balanced, but we'll see. We're not. The episode

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where she comes back and you're already talking

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about her. I mean I, I think Jane is a bigger

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villain than Sinatra, but that's just me. but

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Yeah, I, I don't know with, with Xavier. The more

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you were talking about it and the attributes, the

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more I think it plays into later episodes. In

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terms of what, his relationship with Annie.

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Because. And, and this is Xavier. I mean at the

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end of the day, just like at the end of the day,

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Terry's a scientist and a researcher. Xavier is a

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bodyguard.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So he, we have seen him now in several situations

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between season one and up to this episode for not

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just people he cares about, but also strangers and

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the president who he does former. Like he, he is

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constantly in these situations where he can't

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necessarily do anything to stop it. Like he can't

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heal Terry, he can't make guarantee. But he knows

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how to be there and he knows presence alone is

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comforting. He knows that just doing little things

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goes a long way. When people are in a state of

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crisis, whether it's a, a medical crisis or just a

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decision making crisis or in need of some form of

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protection against a potential threat. Like he can

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do that. He can't, he can't pull the button or

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make the decisions or, or a lot of the times it's

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always out of his, out of his hands. Whether he

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and it, and he, he, he, it's interesting because

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he I think we might just overuse this idea that he

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wants control. When the reality is given the

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situations he finds himself in and his abilities

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in those, he's just constantly in a state of not

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having any control but still trying to persevere

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and find the good, At the end of the day.

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>> Will: Yeah, I think especially like. And I think it was

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a very good framing device to use the flashback of

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Terry. And also, and, and while you're talking

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about Xavier, you know, finding himself in these

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situations, I couldn't help but think about the

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kids.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: This episode.

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>> Sarah : The Lost Boys.

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>> Will: The Lost. Yeah. Yeah. because again is that, you

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know, you said the bodyguard and, and, and, and,

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and like we were saying with Annie and and Terry

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in this episode, he, you know, he is by his nature

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a protector.

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>> Will: And and so like you were saying, even in this

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situation, you know, I think I like the way they

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used it, you know, they use these kids that he

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found in Arkansas as, as a way to, you know, just

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again, remind us of who this man is. And, and even

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though, you know, yes, he, he has this mission

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that he's trying to, ah, achieve, but at the same

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time he's like, these, these kids are out here.

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You know, even though my knee is like jacked up, I

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still gotta figure out a way to like, help them.

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And, and well, plus he was just trying to get his

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stuff back too.

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>> Sarah : But I mean, but well, they also protected him.

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Like he, he, he needed them as much as they needed

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him. Unfortunately though, they weren't gonna

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stick around.

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>> Will: Right.

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>> Sarah : because they are children. And I had so many

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questions for those kids. I'm sure we all did. I,

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I kind of get annoyed with a simple explanation.

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coaches, they all died. And I'm like, okay, but

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where's the explanation for how you survived?

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it's, it's not day one. Everyone, after everything

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happens, like, all of a sudden you wake up and

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like, the world's ended, but you can just go about

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your way. No, there was months of, and years of

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survival because it, oh, I, I forget the exact

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day, but it was a while before Annie could even

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step outside and, and see daylight. So. Yeah, so

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I, I just, that kind of annoyed me. And, and I

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will be honest, with this episode, I was more in

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to the flashback than I was into the present. Just

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because I was like, okay, I know at the end of

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this episode we're gonna start with where we left

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off at the end of episode one. So I was, I was

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like, okay,

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>> Will: yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm there with you too. I mean,

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I was more engaged with the, with the, Terry and,

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and Xavier story. But you know, I guess with the

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kids though, I mean, I, you know, I think it was.

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I, I also did have questions as far as, like,

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where, you know, I guess the parents, maybe, maybe

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some of them did survive the day.

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>> Will: But they lingered. And, and, and you know, and

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maybe these kids, you know, they're, they're just,

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they, they literally like you said, they're just

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survivors. And, and maybe, you know, maybe they

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have had, help along the way, like, like the

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Xaviers and stuff. But then, you know, they, they

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get what they need and then they move on to the

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next, you know, move on to the next thing and, and

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trying to avoid it. And you know, maybe that's

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why, you know, the guy that Xavier killed was,

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like, part of the people they've taken it, taken

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advantage of. but also, I think it just, you know,

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reinforces, just how dangerous the outside world

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is. with. With. With. With respect to the bunker

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and how people just re. You know, how people

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react, because, you know, you have the saviors of

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the world, but then you have a guy who was, you

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know, who that, That was ready to, you know, ready

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to, you know, do something bad to these kids.

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>> Sarah : So, well, there's. There's different factions. I

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mean, and we see this with, like, shows like the

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Last of Us. You. You. You travel and you start to

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encounter different communities. And these

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different communities have different rules and are

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very territorial and. And have clearly survived,

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but because of the rules and what they've put.

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And. And some have gone to extremes that others

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have had not to based on resources. And all of

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them, that you. You see that in the Walking Dead

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as well. So, actually, in comparison to those

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shows so far, paradise has been very tame. Okay.

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Yeah, for sure.

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>> Will: For sure it has been.

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>> Sarah : And.

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>> Will: And I do appreciate how they do some. You know,

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they, they, they. They do go into those tropes,

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but then they. But they also smartly pivot when

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they need to.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. anything else you want to say about this

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episode that doesn't get you into a theory spiral?

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>> Will: Oh, yeah, yeah. No. just a couple. Just a. One,

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two. One thing. Well, one thing. Obviously, you

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know, Xavier was, like, flying. And of course,

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there was the nosebleed, which, you know, will.

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Will, Will. Will be a theme that will, you know,

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that I'll save the theory spiraling for later, but

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I did just want to put a pen in it for now.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. All right. the third episode, Another Day in

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Paradise, Sinatra wakes up to discover a new

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paradigm and her in the bunker and take steps to

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safeguard its biggest secret. This, is also what I

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sum up to be the episode in which Banes, dies and,

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Yeah, and Robinson is gonna be set up to take the

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fall because she. She realizes too malate. How

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much of a threat Jane. Jane really is. so this has

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m. Another flashback. I'm. I'm kind of getting

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reminded of how much Fogelman likes his

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flashbacks, to subside with the present day. We

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didn't get that in the first episode, but we're

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back to that very familiar territory where two

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timelines interweave and overlap in terms of id.

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ideas. And we. And we see in this flashback

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somebody I was not expecting to see in season Two.

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I will admit I was not expecting to see him, but

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he's here. And I will say we've now seen him in

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two episodes. And I'm like, Billy, it's great.

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It's great. It's great to see you. And I will

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admit in this episode I was like, I wonder if

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we're gonna see Cal. And episode three. We saw

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Cal, so. Or episode four. Whatever. So, Yeah, I, I

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really. This, this flashback is interesting. as

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we, we learn more about the bunker itself self.

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And, and Alex. We learn about Alex, all through

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Susanna and And Billy, which the first we. We find

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out. Essentially, Cal's father introduces Billy to

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Suzanne. That's what's implied. Yeah. Samantha.

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Sorry, I think I wrote Susanna. And Yeah. So Cal's

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father introduces Billy to Samantha and. And then,

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And because she needs a certain technology, I. E.

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Alex, in order for, for this bunker. Because part

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of this flashback is also the fact that what we

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just want watched in episode one through Annie's

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eyes was technically act one of a two, if not a

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three act play.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : The world ending.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So. And how, and how really Act 1 is a paper cut

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in comparison to Act 2. So then it kind of leads

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and it's implied whatever this technology that

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Samantha needs is going to help prevent or reverse

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Act 2 in a way. so, so yeah, we, we will, why

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don't you step in and talk about this flashback.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. So there are a couple things. Yeah.

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With the, with the whole venous syndrome that

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you're talking about. With you know, going back to

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that fateful, conference, that, that's that

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Sinatra, Cal were at and you know, and her you

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know, talking with Dr. Dr. Lounge or where he, you

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know, he was the one that talked about the

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Cascadia and everything. And Davine, you know. You

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know, like you said. Perfect. Perfect analogy

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there. Calling it a paper cut. Because whenever he

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described how things are going to. How things were

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going to end up, it, it definitely, you know,

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spot, you know, you know, made, you know, like you

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said, I think the thousand people that were left

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or you know, the people that were left, you know,

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you, you were wishing you were dead. that you got

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taken out with the first, When things ended the

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first time. But you know, with, with, with Billy.

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I'm GLAD Billy was one. Was one of my MVPs the

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season one. And I'm so glad. I mean one John

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Beavers is just so, just this is very magnetic as

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an actor. I mean, all these folks on the show are

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really. But I'm glad he was back. and I like the

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way that, they interwove, you know, Billy,

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>> Sarah : you

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>> Will: know, how he was with Sinatra on the park bench,

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because, you know, she, you know, it was like, you

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know, you know, clearly he's a professional

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hitman. We. We know that. And, And. And we. And

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you know, of course, with thinking back to their

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interactions in season one now, you know, we're

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getting more details as far as how he ended up in

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the bunker.

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>> Sarah : you know, well, we knew kind of how. I mean, we

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knew what he did in the bunker.

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>> Will: Yeah. But we understand now. I guess. I guess we

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see the, you know, just like we saw the. I guess

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the origin story for. For Terry and, and, and.

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And. And, yeah, Xavier, we. We get the origin

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story for Samantha and Billy, which, which was

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cool. I mean, and also bigger.

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>> Sarah : It was cool. I. I think in terms of what happens

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in present day, I want the origin story between

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Jane and Samantha.

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>> Will: Oh, we'll get there. Yeah. yeah, we'll definitely

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get there. And especially how the code word, which

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we, you know, which was, you know, I need a

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breath, man. Yeah, yeah. that was. That. That was

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the moment where I, like, pointed at the screen. I

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was like, damn you, Fogelman. I. I like the way

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you tell stories.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. I. That. That was a clever thing to do for a

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few different reasons.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I, It's funny, as you were talking about Billy,

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And. And again, I am taking up the. What I have to

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do in the defending of Susanna. Okay, so Samantha,

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whatever. Sinatra. I'm just gonna call her Sinatra

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as much as possible because now that's, like,

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gonna happen every single time I talk to her. I

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talk about her. So, So Sinatra actually does

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appear so different in this flashback because she.

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She clearly. He's only able to with her because

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she clearly has never hired anybody to kill

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someone before. Like, this isn't what she does. So

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this is foreign territory, which is. And. And you

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can tell that that that has changed her. Based on

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the, Sinatra, who we've known since season one,

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it's a very different person, and not only for all

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of her involvement with the bunker, but now we're

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also seeing, like, more of the. The dirty side of

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the dealings that she specifically had to do to

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secure the bunker, but also other stuff along the

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way in terms of whatever's next to come. so it's.

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She. She seems so frail, in those. In those

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moments, it, you know, if the more I think about

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it the best comparison I can, I can make. And, and

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granted, acting wise and story wise, it's. It's

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kind of a stretch. But, really, it's similar to if

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you were to go back and watch the first episode of

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Breaking Bad and then watch him by the end of the

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series, that transformation. because once you

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cross lines, you really do change as a person.

482
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:21,840
Person.

483
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:22,600
>> Will: Yes.

484
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:32,500
>> Sarah : So, so. Or your moral scope changes. but what are

485
00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:34,980
you, Are you gonna talk about the nosebleed in the

486
00:28:34,980 --> 00:28:35,220
past?

487
00:28:35,860 --> 00:28:38,790
>> Will: yeah, I'm gonna get there. I'm get there. yeah, I

488
00:28:38,790 --> 00:28:40,430
mean, yeah, since you bring it up. Yeah. I mean,

489
00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:42,270
we, we do have. Of course, you know, since we're

490
00:28:42,270 --> 00:28:44,230
on the storyline with Sinatras, you know what one

491
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:46,520
of the things we learn is, you know, she hires

492
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:51,460
Billy to. To take out, Henry Miller, who. Because,

493
00:28:52,340 --> 00:28:54,420
you know, going back to the conversation that she

494
00:28:54,420 --> 00:28:57,130
had and the whole idea with the bunker, you know,

495
00:28:57,130 --> 00:29:01,050
and, you know, she, you know, she hired Billy. We

496
00:29:01,050 --> 00:29:05,970
Learned that this Dr. Miller is a quantum

497
00:29:05,970 --> 00:29:08,770
physicist. You know, he has. His company is

498
00:29:08,770 --> 00:29:11,380
quantum research. And you know, and the big, you

499
00:29:11,380 --> 00:29:13,520
know, the big line that came from, you know, the,

500
00:29:13,470 --> 00:29:15,940
Dr. Luge was, you know, there's one thing that can

501
00:29:15,940 --> 00:29:18,700
fix this and you can't even buy it. It's time. So,

502
00:29:19,340 --> 00:29:22,140
so when you flat factor all those things in there

503
00:29:22,140 --> 00:29:24,780
and then the Billy's nosebleed after he, you know,

504
00:29:24,780 --> 00:29:29,540
assassinates, Miller, and, you know, this is where

505
00:29:29,540 --> 00:29:32,100
we start to get into the theory spiral as far as,

506
00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:34,750
you know, you know, and also going back to episode

507
00:29:34,750 --> 00:29:37,760
one too, with Link, when he had that, that,

508
00:29:37,770 --> 00:29:40,520
dialect, that dilation moment, whenever he was

509
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,570
outside Annie's door. And also Xavier having, you

510
00:29:44,570 --> 00:29:47,369
know, whenever he was, you know, I think he had a

511
00:29:47,369 --> 00:29:49,250
flashback, I want to say, in episode two. Two

512
00:29:49,410 --> 00:29:51,440
with, even though he hadn't met Link at, you know,

513
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:52,040
at this point.

514
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,560
>> Sarah : Oh, yeah, they definitely, ah, they were, they

515
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,960
were teasing the flashbacks all because they. They

516
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:03,040
did a reveal. Like all of a sudden it's his face.

517
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,560
I know that guy's the back of that guy's head. So

518
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,400
I think it was pretty obvious who that was.

519
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,080
>> Will: Right? And then, and then linking it all together

520
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,600
with Billy, you know, you know, with Miller, just

521
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,600
basically like, look, the one person who can like,

522
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:21,560
say, well,

523
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,440
>> Sarah : that wasn't a surprise to you, was it?

524
00:30:23,820 --> 00:30:26,260
>> Will: No, it wasn't a surprise. It was more. No, I mean,

525
00:30:26,260 --> 00:30:30,340
it was telegraphed for that. Yeah, it was, it was

526
00:30:30,340 --> 00:30:33,580
just a nice reveal. It was an effective reveal

527
00:30:33,580 --> 00:30:37,700
when Link shows up. And. And, it just, you know,

528
00:30:37,700 --> 00:30:40,340
again, tying all these various threads together, I

529
00:30:40,340 --> 00:30:42,020
just really like the way it just sort of played

530
00:30:42,020 --> 00:30:42,380
out.

531
00:30:42,660 --> 00:30:46,820
>> Sarah : I. I didn't like it. I. Because it was too

532
00:30:46,820 --> 00:30:50,000
telegraphed for me. It was way too telegraphed for

533
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,800
me. I. I get the sentiment and everything, but I

534
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:58,160
just. I was like. It fell flat for me because I.

535
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,280
With. With a. With that kind of thing. I want it

536
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,680
to be more subtle, like the, the breath mint line

537
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,920
that gets played out in present day. I, I. I want

538
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:15,290
things not to be like, okay, let me briefly tell

539
00:31:15,290 --> 00:31:18,850
you about this guy who's practically a son to me,

540
00:31:18,850 --> 00:31:23,530
and he's really, really smart. And then later, oh,

541
00:31:23,690 --> 00:31:30,570
he's coming. And just with that, I don't know, it.

542
00:31:31,610 --> 00:31:33,970
Like I said, it fell flat for me, if I'm being

543
00:31:33,970 --> 00:31:39,410
perfectly honest. M. But I can understand why it

544
00:31:39,410 --> 00:31:40,570
was there. There. And,

545
00:31:40,780 --> 00:31:44,900
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was that totally. I get

546
00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:47,140
why it fell flat. I mean, it totally was a

547
00:31:47,140 --> 00:31:50,100
convenience. And, and, and it was so, like I said,

548
00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:52,220
too. I agree it was telegraphed, but, you know,

549
00:31:52,460 --> 00:31:55,580
but it served. It served the purpose of just

550
00:31:55,740 --> 00:32:00,340
furthering things along. And why all of these, you

551
00:32:00,340 --> 00:32:03,390
know, all these little flashbacks and nosebleeds,

552
00:32:04,220 --> 00:32:07,170
and everything are. Are. Are sort of stacking on

553
00:32:07,170 --> 00:32:10,860
top of one another. as. As we all end up. We're

554
00:32:10,860 --> 00:32:13,430
all going to end up back in. In Colorado, with.

555
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:16,390
With all these characters, you know, converging,

556
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:17,430
you know.

557
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:20,260
>> Sarah : Well, some, Not all. Some of them are dead.

558
00:32:20,580 --> 00:32:22,140
>> Will: Yeah, some of them are dead. Yeah.

559
00:32:22,140 --> 00:32:22,820
>> Sarah : Like Henry.

560
00:32:23,460 --> 00:32:28,580
>> Will: Like Henry and President. Yeah. And Alex. But I

561
00:32:28,580 --> 00:32:31,590
guess that's the thing too. you know, with this

562
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:33,670
whole thing, Alex. I mean, I know we talked about

563
00:32:33,670 --> 00:32:35,990
it some last week. Is it a person or is that, you

564
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:38,190
know, or is Alex a thing? Because that was the

565
00:32:38,190 --> 00:32:40,270
other thing as far as, like, President Bain with,

566
00:32:40,430 --> 00:32:44,020
you know, with Sinatra's plans. you know, he was,

567
00:32:44,020 --> 00:32:45,780
like, trying to manipulate the weather.

568
00:32:46,500 --> 00:32:49,860
>> Sarah : Yeah, it's definitely a thing. It's what they call

569
00:32:49,940 --> 00:32:53,620
the. The program. Whatever research he was doing

570
00:32:53,700 --> 00:33:00,670
with Link, they, they named it Alex. And. And I

571
00:33:00,670 --> 00:33:03,030
was thinking that after episode one, after our

572
00:33:03,030 --> 00:33:05,110
discussion, I was like, damn it. I should have

573
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:08,350
brought up the fact that it's probably an acronym.

574
00:33:08,350 --> 00:33:11,350
They're probably doing a misdirect with having it

575
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:14,790
be named Alex. So it actually turns out to be more

576
00:33:14,790 --> 00:33:19,190
of, like, a system and an acronym than. Than an

577
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:23,140
actual person. But they did the very Fogle man

578
00:33:23,140 --> 00:33:26,900
thing. Yeah, well, it was Kind of a person. At one

579
00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:29,780
point, it's named after a person. A very important

580
00:33:30,020 --> 00:33:30,420
person.

581
00:33:30,820 --> 00:33:31,300
>> Will: Yeah.

582
00:33:31,460 --> 00:33:35,940
>> Sarah : Who's also, again, another sick. And, and also

583
00:33:36,339 --> 00:33:39,380
this is now three sick women I've talked about.

584
00:33:39,380 --> 00:33:41,980
And we're, we're not even at episode four where

585
00:33:41,980 --> 00:33:45,420
another one comes in. Dan, what are you doing to

586
00:33:45,420 --> 00:33:46,420
women in this show?

587
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:49,709
>> Will: It's just a very, I will say that. Yeah, I mean, I

588
00:33:49,709 --> 00:33:51,389
know we were just talking a few minutes earlier

589
00:33:51,389 --> 00:33:53,349
about. It's not like last. You know, there's, you

590
00:33:53,349 --> 00:33:55,519
know, at least with the apocalyptic stuff, they

591
00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:58,479
are tame. But man, you're right. It, there is a,

592
00:33:58,479 --> 00:34:00,559
there is a recurrent theme. But there, but, but to

593
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:03,239
that, to that point, though, at least he is, he is

594
00:34:03,239 --> 00:34:04,359
killing some men off too.

595
00:34:05,159 --> 00:34:08,879
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we, it's either you're, you're

596
00:34:08,879 --> 00:34:12,340
a sick person or a sick family female, or you're

597
00:34:12,340 --> 00:34:12,940
Jane.

598
00:34:13,580 --> 00:34:14,060
>> Will: Yeah.

599
00:34:14,860 --> 00:34:19,510
>> Sarah : Who is a psychopath apparently. and is, is

600
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:25,390
definitely, for me, I think she is more, more of a

601
00:34:25,390 --> 00:34:28,870
villain than, because we already have seen her

602
00:34:28,870 --> 00:34:32,820
confront, Sinatra, at the end of the first season.

603
00:34:32,820 --> 00:34:37,470
I mean, she does shoot her. And now, now they're

604
00:34:37,470 --> 00:34:41,910
in a, they have such an interesting dynamic now.

605
00:34:41,910 --> 00:34:44,240
And, so now that we're talking about present day,

606
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,230
we've already touched, basically on the banes of

607
00:34:47,230 --> 00:34:51,350
it all. So what. The parallel that occurs here

608
00:34:51,910 --> 00:34:55,110
when we go back to season one is now we're seeing

609
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:59,900
Sinatra, undergo the same lie detector test that

610
00:34:59,900 --> 00:35:03,370
we watched, Xavier undergo in the first season.

611
00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:04,330
>> Will: Yep.

612
00:35:04,890 --> 00:35:09,450
>> Sarah : And it's, it was, it was very well done because

613
00:35:09,450 --> 00:35:13,490
just like during Xavier's, I was, I was thinking

614
00:35:13,490 --> 00:35:16,690
to myself, I'm like, you're either a really good

615
00:35:16,690 --> 00:35:19,810
li. I can't tell. They're like pieces. I can't

616
00:35:19,810 --> 00:35:24,730
tell necessarily if she really can't remember or,

617
00:35:25,210 --> 00:35:30,780
or if, if she, she's faking it to an extent.

618
00:35:30,780 --> 00:35:33,460
Because it's been a month. They made it clear that

619
00:35:33,460 --> 00:35:35,540
she has been in coma for a month. There was

620
00:35:35,540 --> 00:35:40,540
trauma. I mean, she, she, she got hurt bad. So I

621
00:35:40,540 --> 00:35:42,540
don't think you wake up the next day and be like,

622
00:35:42,540 --> 00:35:46,300
okay, where were we? I don't think you do that.

623
00:35:46,300 --> 00:35:46,620
>> Will: Yeah.

624
00:35:46,620 --> 00:35:51,140
>> Sarah : So I, I, I can buy into a certain extent. But she

625
00:35:51,140 --> 00:35:55,400
definitely know. Knows. She definitely did not

626
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:56,600
forget about Jane.

627
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:57,200
>> Will: Nope.

628
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,320
>> Sarah : She did not forget about Jane and is definitely

629
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,960
playing a game with Jane right now. Or, or not

630
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,840
maybe not even playing a game because whatever

631
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,640
game that she's in is not by her choosing. This is

632
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,360
Jane's game. And I'm I'm very curious about some

633
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,120
of Jane's motivations and where she comes from.

634
00:36:17,740 --> 00:36:20,700
but I, I thought that scene was very well done.

635
00:36:20,780 --> 00:36:23,250
And that scene, scene of course ends with the

636
00:36:23,250 --> 00:36:26,490
breath mint line that just comes out of nowhere.

637
00:36:26,810 --> 00:36:30,290
Like you, you, you think of it as a joke. And it's

638
00:36:30,290 --> 00:36:35,170
not until the flashback where you hear Billy like,

639
00:36:35,170 --> 00:36:39,730
say, job's been done. Next time to make it easy,

640
00:36:39,730 --> 00:36:42,330
like, don't give me an explanation. Just tell me

641
00:36:42,330 --> 00:36:45,810
that they need a breath mint. And. And that's

642
00:36:45,810 --> 00:36:49,570
what, what she did. And, and, and I like how it's

643
00:36:49,570 --> 00:36:53,280
also not like they didn't do a flashback to that

644
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,960
scene or moment. As a viewer, you just remember

645
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,600
that having. Because it kind of. There was a kind

646
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,520
of a pause there, but you didn't think anything of

647
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,780
it because it, He probably really did have nasty

648
00:37:07,780 --> 00:37:09,740
breath. I don't know exactly.

649
00:37:09,740 --> 00:37:10,140
>> Will: Yeah.

650
00:37:10,140 --> 00:37:11,500
>> Sarah : Screaming very closely.

651
00:37:12,540 --> 00:37:14,940
>> Will: I mean, that's really, truly one. Like you said. I

652
00:37:14,940 --> 00:37:17,130
mean, whenever she said that it. In that scene

653
00:37:17,610 --> 00:37:20,650
after the polygraph, I was like, that's, you know,

654
00:37:21,130 --> 00:37:24,250
that was, that was a needle drop joke. I was like,

655
00:37:24,410 --> 00:37:26,680
okay, I see what you're doing there. And then, and

656
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,440
then like I said earlier, it's just like whenever

657
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,640
we have the moment on the bench, it just like

658
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,360
that, that, that was good. That, that was like.

659
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,120
That was a really good one. That was a good thing

660
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,760
there. They did there. But also with. Speaking of

661
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,440
the, the polygraph. So, you know, we've seen now

662
00:37:42,130 --> 00:37:47,100
two people, defeat that machine, Xavier and, and

663
00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:50,460
now, and now Samantha. So, you know, it gets to

664
00:37:50,460 --> 00:37:52,820
the large, you know, I begin to wonder like, you

665
00:37:52,820 --> 00:37:55,460
know, you know, we, you know, we know Dr. Thurabi

666
00:37:55,460 --> 00:37:59,020
was, you know, the sociologist or whatever behind,

667
00:37:59,980 --> 00:38:02,300
you know, picking out all these people to, to

668
00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:05,260
live, you know, help pick people live in this

669
00:38:05,260 --> 00:38:09,730
thing. And you know, a couple things. One, he's

670
00:38:09,730 --> 00:38:14,290
like, you know, how, how, you know, you know, she

671
00:38:14,290 --> 00:38:16,490
knows. She knows Sinatra very, very well because

672
00:38:16,490 --> 00:38:18,610
of all the, you know, the trauma that we discussed

673
00:38:18,610 --> 00:38:21,140
earlier about, you know, Sinatra losing her kid

674
00:38:21,140 --> 00:38:23,140
and you know, she was her therapist and all kind

675
00:38:23,140 --> 00:38:30,140
of stuff. But I do wonder, with, with Sinatra and

676
00:38:30,140 --> 00:38:35,150
Xavier, you know, basically just having the right

677
00:38:35,150 --> 00:38:37,470
skills or maybe like you said earlier, Sinatra

678
00:38:37,470 --> 00:38:41,070
just, you know, rehearse the things enough in her

679
00:38:41,070 --> 00:38:43,310
head that she just basically convinced herself and

680
00:38:43,310 --> 00:38:45,670
you know, knew how to control her physiological

681
00:38:46,070 --> 00:38:48,190
reflexes or whatever not to like, give off that

682
00:38:48,190 --> 00:38:51,200
she was lying. But the other thing too is, you

683
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,680
know, you know, thinking about Banes and, and

684
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,180
looking at, that sort of, that, that, that, you

685
00:38:58,180 --> 00:39:01,260
know, the power structure there in the bunker.

686
00:39:01,330 --> 00:39:05,110
because, you know, at the end of the day, you

687
00:39:05,110 --> 00:39:09,230
know, the presidents, whether it was Kyle, whether

688
00:39:09,230 --> 00:39:12,550
it was Bane, and a lot of, A lot of situations, a

689
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:14,670
lot of it is just. They were just figureheads. But

690
00:39:14,670 --> 00:39:18,390
I think one thing that we, you know, that we see

691
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:22,510
with Bane in this episode is, you know, and it

692
00:39:22,590 --> 00:39:24,430
gets into a little bit of the class thing that,

693
00:39:24,590 --> 00:39:26,030
you know, we haven't really touched on much with

694
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:28,830
this show, but. But it is there as far as, like,

695
00:39:28,830 --> 00:39:31,110
these are all billionaires. A lot of these are

696
00:39:31,110 --> 00:39:33,510
billionaires who were able to, you know, find. Buy

697
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:37,430
their way into. Into this bunker. Bane was a

698
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:39,070
former, like, I guess we learned he was a former

699
00:39:39,070 --> 00:39:41,200
governor. and so he thinks he's like, very

700
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,280
politically, you know, very savvy or whatever. But

701
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,960
at the end of the day, Sam is still the one who is

702
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,180
really, you know, two steps ahead of them. And

703
00:39:50,180 --> 00:39:53,620
you're right. As far as Jane, I'm really, really

704
00:39:53,940 --> 00:39:57,180
very curious now, like, who's playing who with

705
00:39:57,180 --> 00:40:02,020
between Sam and Jane. Because that power dynamic

706
00:40:02,020 --> 00:40:04,780
there just goes back and forth and I'm just like,

707
00:40:04,780 --> 00:40:07,060
well, maybe, you know, I'm like, now, now. Coming.

708
00:40:07,060 --> 00:40:09,260
Almost coming. I'm coming to your side, Sarah.

709
00:40:09,260 --> 00:40:10,420
That maybe.

710
00:40:10,580 --> 00:40:14,420
>> Sarah : Well, she's a wild card. Yeah, she. She's a wild

711
00:40:14,420 --> 00:40:21,280
card that has duped so far all of our m. Lead

712
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,880
characters. And she's even a. Been able to take on

713
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:31,750
Sinatra. so it's like, at least with Sinatra we

714
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:34,430
understand her and we understand her motivations

715
00:40:34,430 --> 00:40:37,510
and we've seen more about how she became the

716
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:40,790
person we're seeing in present day with, With

717
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:46,640
Jane. She's still an enigma that we are. That is

718
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,030
just being carefully waiting in the, in the

719
00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:54,230
shadows. And she's also. Not only is she duping

720
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:56,990
people, but she's. She's framing. I mean, she took

721
00:40:56,990 --> 00:41:00,710
out Billy in the first season, much to our dismay.

722
00:41:00,950 --> 00:41:05,790
And then now she, like, I don't. I love that she

723
00:41:05,790 --> 00:41:09,630
killed Banes. he needed to go, but I don't

724
00:41:09,710 --> 00:41:15,180
appreciate the framing of Robinson. but I, and I,

725
00:41:15,180 --> 00:41:17,980
and I. And it's not just because I like Robinson

726
00:41:17,980 --> 00:41:21,820
and she's a quote unquote, good guy, but it's more

727
00:41:21,820 --> 00:41:27,460
of the fact that I expected Robinson to be

728
00:41:27,460 --> 00:41:31,250
smarter. and that, that's. That's what I don't

729
00:41:31,250 --> 00:41:35,530
like to see. Where to get to allow the bad, the

730
00:41:35,530 --> 00:41:41,370
quote unquote bad guy to make a move. Then you

731
00:41:41,370 --> 00:41:45,930
have to lower the Intellect of your heroes, of

732
00:41:45,930 --> 00:41:50,280
your protagonists. And I'm like, come on. it's,

733
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,160
it's been how long since Billy died? And we didn't

734
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,720
do a closer look and it just felt very convenient

735
00:41:58,090 --> 00:42:01,580
of all of a sudden Robinson is starting to look

736
00:42:01,580 --> 00:42:06,570
closer into Jane. or giving like the eyebrow to

737
00:42:06,570 --> 00:42:11,680
her. More like, okay, I, I, I think Robinson would

738
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,000
have been doing that a bit earlier. It's been more

739
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,800
a month or more since Xavier has been out of the

740
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:19,400
bunker.

741
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:20,280
>> Will: Yeah.

742
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:27,700
>> Sarah : So, and, and, and she's also, it's, it's more of

743
00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:30,700
an issue right now with Robinson being framed

744
00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:34,290
because of the implications for Xavier's kids. who

745
00:42:34,290 --> 00:42:37,210
we also see in this episode and we see that the

746
00:42:37,210 --> 00:42:41,070
Presley and Jeremy train is still going. James,

747
00:42:41,390 --> 00:42:44,990
James did throw away a note, but he quickly told

748
00:42:44,990 --> 00:42:49,920
the truth. However, Jeremy is also, he is a very

749
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,400
much alike a link and wants to blow the place up

750
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:58,810
or blow the door open. so he, he turned himself in

751
00:42:58,810 --> 00:43:03,160
and we see that he, he did it purposely, because

752
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,230
earlier in the episode the the big architect of

753
00:43:07,230 --> 00:43:13,740
the bunker is also, thrown into bunker jail and

754
00:43:14,030 --> 00:43:15,150
bunker basement.

755
00:43:15,550 --> 00:43:16,430
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

756
00:43:16,990 --> 00:43:18,990
>> Sarah : so, so yeah, it's just

757
00:43:21,310 --> 00:43:21,320
>> Will: moving,

758
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:24,950
>> Sarah : forward in the bunker. And then that brings us to

759
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:30,920
episode four, A Holy Charge, where Xavier and

760
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,240
Annie travel to Atlanta and contrast life in this

761
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:38,110
new world and the one he left behind in the bunk.

762
00:43:38,340 --> 00:43:42,580
Or, boy, just when he thought we were done with

763
00:43:42,580 --> 00:43:46,380
birth scenes. Will, just when you're out, they,

764
00:43:46,460 --> 00:43:49,820
they did it. They. We find ourselves with another

765
00:43:49,820 --> 00:43:53,000
one. And this one was a pre, clampsia. I was

766
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:59,480
surprised that Annie died. Just because this is

767
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,420
the thing about me. When you cast well known

768
00:44:03,420 --> 00:44:07,300
actors for roles, I don't really expect them to be

769
00:44:07,300 --> 00:44:11,020
killed off right away. So the fact that Shane Lane

770
00:44:11,020 --> 00:44:15,340
Woodley was cast and I'm like, oh, she, she's

771
00:44:15,340 --> 00:44:18,980
dying in episode three. Okay, okay. Or episode

772
00:44:18,980 --> 00:44:30,830
four. interesting. I like it. I, I, I, find it, I

773
00:44:30,830 --> 00:44:34,710
have to say this now because, because just the

774
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:39,610
final scene of Xavier on a horse, swaddling a

775
00:44:39,690 --> 00:44:43,490
white baby. I was just like, I was just like, I,

776
00:44:43,650 --> 00:44:47,610
you know, this is, this is beautiful. Considering

777
00:44:47,610 --> 00:44:51,490
he spent six years as the adopted black child of

778
00:44:51,490 --> 00:44:57,640
white people. This is us. I feel like we've come

779
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:58,600
full circle.

780
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,400
>> Will: We have come full, full circle for sure.

781
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,699
>> Sarah : So, yeah, yeah, I, I just, that was initially as

782
00:45:09,699 --> 00:45:13,780
soon as I saw that, that frame, I was like that,

783
00:45:13,780 --> 00:45:15,660
that's the first thought that went in my head.

784
00:45:15,900 --> 00:45:19,350
>> Will: Yeah.

785
00:45:20,620 --> 00:45:23,130
>> Sarah : Oh man. but what were some of your takeaways

786
00:45:23,130 --> 00:45:26,440
about, this episode and the tragedy that

787
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,000
ultimately befalls Annie?

788
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,840
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I was just thinking, you know, they,

789
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,720
they introduced Annie and, and from episode one,

790
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:36,320
then we, you know, we see her just a little bit

791
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,420
there. And two, don't, think at all. And three,

792
00:45:41,140 --> 00:45:44,350
and then, and then it take her away. Right. Win.

793
00:45:44,510 --> 00:45:48,550
But, but it's paradise. So I'm just like, we're

794
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:51,790
gonna see Annie again, right? At some point. We,

795
00:45:51,870 --> 00:45:52,590
we have to.

796
00:45:52,830 --> 00:45:58,430
>> Sarah : Oh, flashbacks for sure. She's a pivotal character

797
00:45:58,430 --> 00:46:00,190
for sure this season. But.

798
00:46:00,190 --> 00:46:03,740
>> Will: Yeah, but I will, yeah, but, but I will say, I

799
00:46:03,740 --> 00:46:06,460
mean, I, you know, this was. I, I, I, I did get

800
00:46:06,460 --> 00:46:08,910
very, I'll admit it. I mean, I, I did get a little

801
00:46:09,140 --> 00:46:12,040
emotional, watching, watching all that, that go

802
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:16,320
down, as far as her, her death. you know, because,

803
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,280
you know, whenever they really, they really, they

804
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,170
set it up, whenever she was, you know, when they

805
00:46:21,170 --> 00:46:24,030
were still at Graceland, and she was like, you

806
00:46:24,030 --> 00:46:26,990
know, taking her, her, her blood pressure and,

807
00:46:27,470 --> 00:46:30,790
and, and, and I was just like, you know, it was

808
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:33,290
high. So my mind went there because I'm a parent.

809
00:46:33,290 --> 00:46:35,890
So, you know, and we, you know, we've, we've all,

810
00:46:35,890 --> 00:46:38,370
you know, we've have family and friends who have,

811
00:46:38,370 --> 00:46:40,210
you know, have dealt with, you know, these types

812
00:46:40,210 --> 00:46:43,740
of things. and something. And I did think about

813
00:46:43,740 --> 00:46:45,820
our discussion, you know, last week a little bit

814
00:46:45,820 --> 00:46:49,780
too, where m, you know, when we do find out that

815
00:46:49,780 --> 00:46:55,180
she's pregnant and, how they're going to deal with

816
00:46:55,180 --> 00:46:58,110
that. Ah, in a world now which, where, you know,

817
00:46:58,110 --> 00:47:01,590
as Kyle said in, in the first season, I'm taking,

818
00:47:02,070 --> 00:47:04,470
taking things back to the, to the Stone Ages in,

819
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:07,030
in many sense because, you know, technology is

820
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:11,350
going to get wiped out because of the emp. So, so,

821
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:15,670
so I, So with that, with, with what was going on

822
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:19,230
with Amy, with Annie. Excuse me. And then you

823
00:47:19,230 --> 00:47:21,310
juxtapose that with what was going on in the

824
00:47:21,310 --> 00:47:24,690
bunker in the flashback, with the, with the birth.

825
00:47:25,890 --> 00:47:28,370
It really, you know, you know, going back to what

826
00:47:28,370 --> 00:47:30,530
I was saying a little bit earlier about, you know,

827
00:47:31,810 --> 00:47:34,250
a little bit about the class, but also just a

828
00:47:34,250 --> 00:47:38,440
little bit about, just really just it was a good

829
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:44,240
narrative framing device for me to see, like, you

830
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:48,440
know, how, you know, how the, you know, the first,

831
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,620
but the first birth in the bunker, and then, you

832
00:47:52,620 --> 00:47:57,460
know, and then we see how, I mean, I don't think

833
00:47:57,460 --> 00:47:59,740
Annie's child was probably the first one born

834
00:47:59,740 --> 00:48:02,820
post, Post. Oh, no outside world. But we're

835
00:48:02,820 --> 00:48:06,260
seeing. But we are seeing the, the impact. You

836
00:48:06,260 --> 00:48:10,060
know, we're seeing a story about a situation like

837
00:48:10,060 --> 00:48:11,900
this happening and it just gets into infant

838
00:48:11,900 --> 00:48:14,460
mortality and mother, you know, it's. I just

839
00:48:14,460 --> 00:48:16,260
couldn't help but think like, you know, if Annie

840
00:48:16,260 --> 00:48:20,070
had been in the bunker is, you know, she probably.

841
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:23,830
She would still be with, with them with us today.

842
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:28,030
And it was one of the thoughts I had. But also I

843
00:48:28,030 --> 00:48:32,180
think it was just, you know, seeing how Annie, the

844
00:48:32,180 --> 00:48:35,820
evolution of Annie from where we first. Where we

845
00:48:35,820 --> 00:48:38,110
met her, where she like you. You mentioned

846
00:48:38,110 --> 00:48:41,070
earlier, you know, like she and Xavier, you know,

847
00:48:41,070 --> 00:48:42,950
taking care of people like Annie, taking care of

848
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:47,310
her mother, and, and taking care of me and then

849
00:48:47,310 --> 00:48:51,510
later taking care of Xavier. and then now she's in

850
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:55,030
a place where she needs help, but because of what

851
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:58,870
all has happened both in her past and present, she

852
00:48:58,870 --> 00:49:04,110
doesn't trust people. And, and seeing in the, in

853
00:49:04,110 --> 00:49:07,230
this episode how her relationship evolves with,

854
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,320
with Xavier and, and coming out of the shell and

855
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,640
even as they're like, you know, coming across that

856
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,950
family, when they were on the walk and yeah, just

857
00:49:15,950 --> 00:49:18,590
keep on, you know, don't look at them. Xavier is

858
00:49:18,590 --> 00:49:21,550
like, you know, nods at them and stuff. And it

859
00:49:21,550 --> 00:49:25,670
just really. I just. This was just a, just a damn

860
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:28,550
good hour television in so many ways. It just has

861
00:49:28,550 --> 00:49:30,550
so many different levels that, that we can, you

862
00:49:30,550 --> 00:49:32,640
know, we'll, we'll touch on. But the, those were

863
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,360
something about this dropping stream of

864
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,160
consciousness of thoughts about this episode.

865
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:45,000
>> Sarah : So you, you brought up the parallelism to the

866
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,520
birth in the bunker. I thought for sure the birth

867
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,760
in the bunker. Ironically, the, the kid was going

868
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:55,320
to die m of that because they, there was. They did

869
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,310
have to go to C section. and just the way they

870
00:49:59,550 --> 00:50:03,370
transitioned like from the line when was the last

871
00:50:03,370 --> 00:50:06,170
time you, you seen a pregnant lady?

872
00:50:06,650 --> 00:50:07,550
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

873
00:50:07,550 --> 00:50:10,200
>> Sarah : into that. There, There was an ominous feeling

874
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:14,120
about it. So I thought that like, yeah, it would

875
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,830
have been interesting, not to say that like this

876
00:50:17,830 --> 00:50:22,110
episode wasn't interesting, but if that, if that

877
00:50:22,350 --> 00:50:25,860
for, for some, even with the resources. Because I

878
00:50:25,940 --> 00:50:28,380
ironically had a discussion today with somebody I

879
00:50:28,380 --> 00:50:36,100
worked with and I don't have kids. and as a

880
00:50:36,100 --> 00:50:40,940
female, I, I know I have the ability to

881
00:50:41,420 --> 00:50:44,020
potentially carry children. And I will tell you

882
00:50:44,020 --> 00:50:47,020
right now it scares the out of me. I don't care.

883
00:50:47,260 --> 00:50:50,700
And I live in a world with technology and there's

884
00:50:50,900 --> 00:50:55,500
nurses and hospitals and, and I live in post the

885
00:50:55,500 --> 00:50:59,140
day world. It still scares me. There's still high

886
00:50:59,140 --> 00:51:01,980
risk and there's still potential even with all of

887
00:51:01,980 --> 00:51:05,530
that. and then if you look at the politics of the

888
00:51:05,530 --> 00:51:09,890
world today, yeah. Like it's still. Do you want to

889
00:51:09,890 --> 00:51:12,130
bring someone into this world?

890
00:51:12,450 --> 00:51:12,850
>> Will: Right.

891
00:51:13,090 --> 00:51:18,220
>> Sarah : So it's. I, I think, I think it's a very

892
00:51:18,460 --> 00:51:22,980
interesting conversation of And I think in his

893
00:51:22,980 --> 00:51:26,380
very Xavier like way, he was trying to explain

894
00:51:26,460 --> 00:51:28,940
there's never a good time to bring a child into

895
00:51:28,940 --> 00:51:33,260
the world. Like we, we get it. This is basically

896
00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:37,740
bringing them into a post apocalyptic world. But

897
00:51:38,380 --> 00:51:41,300
at the end of the day, as a parent, when you get

898
00:51:41,300 --> 00:51:44,440
that gift, you're gonna want them in the world.

899
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:51,400
Whether it's. It's stone age or, or in the 21st

900
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,040
century. You just, you. You don't really get to

901
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:59,360
decide that. But you at least you just accept the

902
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,530
gift that you are given. and unfortunately she was

903
00:52:03,530 --> 00:52:06,950
able to bring her kid into the world. She just is

904
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:11,240
not able to watch it unfold. So. So she leaves it

905
00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:15,760
with Xavier, which you know, you know, not a bad

906
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,680
choice. Not a bad choice to. To have left that. I

907
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,880
think there will be some very interesting

908
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,520
fatherly. I don't know if I trust you, Link

909
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:31,220
moments ahead, when the white father comes.

910
00:52:31,540 --> 00:52:34,500
>> Will: But Baby daddy, What?

911
00:52:35,380 --> 00:52:36,740
>> Sarah : Yeah, baby daddy.

912
00:52:36,740 --> 00:52:39,420
>> Will: He's. He's. Yeah, he's. Yeah. But you know, but

913
00:52:39,420 --> 00:52:41,340
also just, you know, tied it, you know, again just

914
00:52:41,340 --> 00:52:43,540
tying all the threads back together and the ID

915
00:52:43,540 --> 00:52:46,770
card and you know, with Link and Yeah, I mean, you

916
00:52:46,770 --> 00:52:47,570
know, it's, it's

917
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,050
>> Sarah : Well that's. Is this the first time, we've seen

918
00:52:50,050 --> 00:52:53,090
Xavier actually really withhold information?

919
00:52:54,220 --> 00:52:59,820
Because he never tells her that he, he. He tells

920
00:52:59,820 --> 00:53:06,140
her about his dreams that feel like memories of

921
00:53:06,140 --> 00:53:07,900
what has not yet occurred.

922
00:53:08,140 --> 00:53:08,540
>> Will: Right.

923
00:53:08,780 --> 00:53:12,420
>> Sarah : He does not make. He does not explicitly say. And

924
00:53:12,420 --> 00:53:15,740
it just so happens in these. I see this person

925
00:53:15,740 --> 00:53:17,420
who's on this ID card.

926
00:53:17,740 --> 00:53:20,630
>> Will: Exactly. Yeah. He did not. He did not. Yeah, that.

927
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:22,670
Yeah. I mean, yeah, because he did not sell

928
00:53:22,670 --> 00:53:25,870
shelves, share that or his last name or anything

929
00:53:25,870 --> 00:53:27,750
like that. You know, whenever Xavier and George

930
00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:29,420
are standing there at the You know, when they were

931
00:53:29,420 --> 00:53:31,340
putting the tombstone up, I mean that. Yeah. There

932
00:53:31,340 --> 00:53:34,020
were some pieces that he. That they both withheld.

933
00:53:34,020 --> 00:53:36,740
I mean, you know, like Annie didn't tell about the

934
00:53:36,740 --> 00:53:41,480
preeclampsia. I mean, so there was, there's. They

935
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:41,880
opened.

936
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,440
>> Sarah : Well, she wasn't. Was afraid that she wasn't going

937
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,440
to be. He wouldn't take her like.

938
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:47,840
>> Will: Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

939
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,960
>> Sarah : And I'm surprised he even took her at all

940
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,040
considering how pregnant she was.

941
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:53,840
>> Will: Yes.

942
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:59,840
>> Sarah : You know, I, I'm so. I. I didn't really track

943
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,240
that. Kind of like, yeah, this is a great idea.

944
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:06,080
You're. You're clearly about to have a kid and

945
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,240
we're gonna go find my wife.

946
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,920
>> Will: Yeah, I did think that too, because I was like,

947
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,350
okay, now she's, you know, that her belly's

948
00:54:13,350 --> 00:54:14,990
looking a little. She's looking like, you know,

949
00:54:14,990 --> 00:54:19,190
things have dropped. So, yeah, I was just like,

950
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:21,430
yeah. So whenever she, Whenever she was outside

951
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:25,710
there and, and you know, and her water breaks and

952
00:54:25,710 --> 00:54:28,950
stuff, I was like, oh, boy. Yeah.

953
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:32,720
>> Sarah : Yeah, it's, Yeah, but. But what?

954
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,680
>> Will: Yeah, but also. But I, but, you know, getting back

955
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,270
to the. The truck, you know, the, the trust of it

956
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:45,700
all. you know, when. Whenever. I mean, part of me

957
00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:48,820
was just like when Xavier went to the house, when

958
00:54:48,820 --> 00:54:51,430
he. When he just went out to a sprint. well, a

959
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:54,310
couple things. One, to your point about why do you

960
00:54:54,310 --> 00:54:57,790
take her on this journey whenever, you know,

961
00:54:57,790 --> 00:54:59,910
clearly she's very pregnant, can go any day now.

962
00:55:02,250 --> 00:55:05,490
you know, so I, I did wonder, you know, wonder.

963
00:55:05,490 --> 00:55:10,360
Wonder where. Where his head was. But, But, yeah,

964
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,830
but, but whenever they do encounter, you know,

965
00:55:12,830 --> 00:55:15,910
they get to the Waffle Barn, I. I did like, like

966
00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:18,590
the scenes there with Xavier being, you know,

967
00:55:18,590 --> 00:55:20,630
showing how to swaddle and all these things. And

968
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:23,110
that was just like, now Annie. Annie was a med

969
00:55:23,110 --> 00:55:26,750
student. But. But gets to your point too, about

970
00:55:26,750 --> 00:55:30,990
just the, the, you know, The. The unexpected

971
00:55:31,070 --> 00:55:35,640
nature of being a parent and, and all the joys and

972
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,240
scares and everything that comes with it. So, you

973
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:41,840
know, so I, I think that's what just makes this up

974
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,840
again, makes this episode so effective because it

975
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,000
just has so many levels to it beyond just the fact

976
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,040
that they're off to Atlanta.

977
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,770
>> Sarah : And, And I think that, the. The most interesting

978
00:55:53,770 --> 00:55:56,250
conversation that happens is actually not between

979
00:55:56,250 --> 00:56:03,370
Xavier and Annie. It's between Xavier and the. I

980
00:56:03,370 --> 00:56:05,490
don't even know if she. We. We get her name.

981
00:56:05,970 --> 00:56:06,770
>> Will: The Midwife.

982
00:56:06,930 --> 00:56:10,890
>> Sarah : Yeah, well, yeah, the. The midwife. I don't. I

983
00:56:10,890 --> 00:56:13,250
don't. We don't really. There. There's a few. Few

984
00:56:13,250 --> 00:56:16,050
midwives. But the science teacher. She was a

985
00:56:16,050 --> 00:56:19,670
science teacher. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just. Just

986
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:27,270
because it kind of. It was a good. It didn't feel

987
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:32,870
cliche. It felt like a. A much more mature

988
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:38,070
conversation between two. Two people who have

989
00:56:38,070 --> 00:56:44,860
lived a long life, pre the day and then who have

990
00:56:44,860 --> 00:56:47,190
had very different experiences. Experiences

991
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:52,840
through the day, but, post the day, but have also

992
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:59,310
found, like, some strength and, and bringing out

993
00:56:59,310 --> 00:57:01,640
different things in them. after going through such

994
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,600
a traumatic experience and then the survival of it

995
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,600
all, I don't know, there was just something about

996
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:12,330
the way that conversation unfolded that it felt in

997
00:57:12,330 --> 00:57:16,030
hindsight when I come, when I look at a lot of the

998
00:57:16,030 --> 00:57:20,870
conversations between Annie and Xavier, he very

999
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:24,950
much treats her like a daughter. He very much

1000
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:29,680
view, views her not as necessarily an equals, a

1001
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,840
strong word, but as someone who he has to take

1002
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:38,330
care of and not someone he can necessarily even

1003
00:57:38,330 --> 00:57:42,440
learn from. but I, I, I really like that

1004
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,920
conversation. And then that line that she has in

1005
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:54,310
terms of, the, the sins of the parents. and I

1006
00:57:54,310 --> 00:57:58,380
thought I wrote it down, but I guess I didn't. I

1007
00:57:58,380 --> 00:58:01,980
mean, I do know like the big quote of this episode

1008
00:58:01,980 --> 00:58:03,700
is babies are built to survive.

1009
00:58:04,100 --> 00:58:04,660
>> Will: Yeah.

1010
00:58:04,820 --> 00:58:07,860
>> Sarah : Dan, you don't need to repeat it 5 million times.

1011
00:58:08,740 --> 00:58:09,860
That's my only thing.

1012
00:58:11,620 --> 00:58:13,660
>> Will: Yeah, I thought you're gonna go with the rock for

1013
00:58:13,660 --> 00:58:16,100
great changes, great love and great promises. It's

1014
00:58:16,100 --> 00:58:16,820
a holy charge.

1015
00:58:18,500 --> 00:58:21,380
>> Sarah : That was also very cliche for me. I was like,

1016
00:58:22,740 --> 00:58:26,140
yeah, I, I don't know. Some, sometimes they just

1017
00:58:26,140 --> 00:58:27,970
get too on the nose for me.

1018
00:58:27,970 --> 00:58:28,410
>> Will: Yeah.

1019
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,960
>> Sarah : especially, especially when, oh, here it is. We

1020
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,440
all forget how close we are in time. Which, which

1021
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,920
is another thing. Take a shot. Anytime time is

1022
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,450
mentioned in these episodes. how quickly our sins

1023
00:58:42,450 --> 00:58:44,810
become our child. Children's burdens. And I

1024
00:58:44,810 --> 00:58:48,210
thought that was like our sins become our ch.

1025
00:58:49,170 --> 00:58:51,770
Children's burdens. And I know we haven't spent a

1026
00:58:51,770 --> 00:58:56,020
lot of time with him, but I immediately think

1027
00:58:56,020 --> 00:58:59,340
about the relationship between Cal and Jeremy.

1028
00:58:59,580 --> 00:59:00,060
>> Will: Yes.

1029
00:59:00,860 --> 00:59:06,710
>> Sarah : This is immediately where we go. So, and and which

1030
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:09,710
just takes me back to the first season and that

1031
00:59:09,710 --> 00:59:16,390
episode with the grandfather. Son, father. Oh, oh,

1032
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:20,550
yeah, yeah. Get, yeah. shivers just thinking about

1033
00:59:20,550 --> 00:59:21,150
that one.

1034
00:59:21,310 --> 00:59:21,650
>> Will: Yep.

1035
00:59:21,650 --> 00:59:21,940
>> Sarah : yeah.

1036
00:59:21,940 --> 00:59:23,980
>> Will: And you haven't done a rewatch, so for you to like

1037
00:59:23,980 --> 00:59:26,420
remember that scene just, just shows how powerful

1038
00:59:26,420 --> 00:59:26,900
that was.

1039
00:59:27,220 --> 00:59:32,900
>> Sarah : Yeah, exactly. yeah. And, and, and not only in the

1040
00:59:32,900 --> 00:59:38,020
flashback do we see Cal. Ah, welcome. The first

1041
00:59:38,020 --> 00:59:43,810
Bunker baby. But we also see Sinatra, who again

1042
00:59:44,370 --> 00:59:49,740
continues to allude to, a plan of sorts, a bigger

1043
00:59:49,740 --> 00:59:53,070
plan than we're currently aware of. where she

1044
00:59:53,070 --> 00:59:57,620
promises Bunker Baby, AKA Calvin. and she says, I

1045
00:59:57,620 --> 01:00:00,060
swear, Calvin, I have a plan for you, for all of

1046
01:00:00,060 --> 01:00:04,290
us. Someday you'll see real stars. and so at this

1047
01:00:04,290 --> 01:00:07,590
point in the conversation, I give it off to Will

1048
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:11,790
because he has been sitting on probably a five to

1049
01:00:11,790 --> 01:00:13,990
ten minute eerie spiral,

1050
01:00:15,830 --> 01:00:18,350
>> Will: I think. Well, basically I hit it earlier with the

1051
01:00:18,350 --> 01:00:20,830
nosebleeds. But I mean, clearly, I mean, I think

1052
01:00:20,830 --> 01:00:23,710
the popular theory that's out there and, and you

1053
01:00:23,710 --> 01:00:26,550
know, and is, you know, she's building some type

1054
01:00:26,550 --> 01:00:30,830
of time time machine of some of, of some sort. But

1055
01:00:30,830 --> 01:00:35,870
given the quantum physics of it all, is it, you

1056
01:00:35,870 --> 01:00:38,590
know, it could be that. It could be some, you

1057
01:00:38,590 --> 01:00:42,710
know, some weather manipulator or you know, some

1058
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:50,290
device that that that they're, you know, they're

1059
01:00:50,290 --> 01:00:52,170
constructing. You know, clearly, you know, clearly

1060
01:00:52,170 --> 01:00:54,970
it's something like that because it is siphoning

1061
01:00:54,970 --> 01:00:57,560
off a lot of energy from the, from the bunker. So

1062
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,040
it is. You know, but one of the things too, you

1063
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,420
know, with, with Going back to the second episode,

1064
01:01:04,060 --> 01:01:07,420
I was wondering. So before I even thought about

1065
01:01:07,420 --> 01:01:10,060
the time travel theories and stuff, when Xavier

1066
01:01:10,060 --> 01:01:12,460
had the nosebleed while he was flying, the plane

1067
01:01:12,460 --> 01:01:14,300
was going through the hell throwing through the

1068
01:01:14,300 --> 01:01:17,740
storm. I was wondering if it was like, you know,

1069
01:01:18,140 --> 01:01:20,470
something, you know, maybe it's like radiation

1070
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:25,200
sickness or some nuclear, you know, weather

1071
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,200
because of just, you know, where we, where we were

1072
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:34,580
at that moment. but I guess, I mean, if it, you

1073
01:01:34,580 --> 01:01:37,939
know, but I guess it could have coincide. It could

1074
01:01:37,939 --> 01:01:40,220
have coincided with the, with the moment with.

1075
01:01:40,220 --> 01:01:43,580
That Link had there. With, With Annie at the, at

1076
01:01:43,580 --> 01:01:46,610
the, at the house. that there was some like time

1077
01:01:46,610 --> 01:01:49,780
warper whatever. So, so yeah, I mean, I guess

1078
01:01:49,860 --> 01:01:50,260
what.

1079
01:01:51,620 --> 01:01:53,380
>> Sarah : I'm not, I'm not tracking that.

1080
01:01:53,460 --> 01:01:55,780
>> Will: Yeah. Remember when Link whenever, when Annie and

1081
01:01:55,780 --> 01:02:00,540
Guy when, when Link Geiger had come to Link to say

1082
01:02:00,540 --> 01:02:01,460
hey, we gotta go.

1083
01:02:03,780 --> 01:02:05,460
>> Will: and. But I guess it, but I guess.

1084
01:02:05,460 --> 01:02:08,340
>> Sarah : And it seemed like he had a really bad migraine.

1085
01:02:08,500 --> 01:02:09,460
>> Will: Yeah, he had a really bad.

1086
01:02:10,100 --> 01:02:12,340
>> Sarah : Okay, yeah, now I know what you're talking about.

1087
01:02:12,340 --> 01:02:14,540
>> Will: Yeah, it was like the scene got all distorted and

1088
01:02:14,540 --> 01:02:17,360
stuff. So I gotta go back and watch episode two to

1089
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,280
see like in the moment where Xavier has his

1090
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,760
nosebleed in the, in the plane. If this, if things

1091
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,360
get distorted like that to like show maybe that

1092
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,280
like the device was like doing this time

1093
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,360
manipulation thing. We, I mean we clearly know

1094
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,360
that there's something there because Xavier is

1095
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,720
having the flashback. He's having the visions of

1096
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,440
Link of them meeting at some point even though

1097
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:37,800
they haven't physically met before.

1098
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:39,000
>> Sarah : Right, right, right.

1099
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:41,130
>> Will: So. Yeah. And.

1100
01:02:41,130 --> 01:02:44,810
>> Sarah : And Link is also having visions of Xavier. They're

1101
01:02:44,810 --> 01:02:47,770
both. Yeah, they're both. And there's a line in

1102
01:02:47,770 --> 01:02:51,360
this episode about people, complete strangers

1103
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,720
being tied together through time. It's in the note

1104
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:59,320
that Annie leaves her her child for her child. So

1105
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:00,120
it,

1106
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:02,960
>> Will: so yeah.

1107
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:03,320
>> Sarah : Yeah.

1108
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,080
>> Will: So I think the prevailing theory of a time. Some

1109
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,280
type of time manipulation is there. And also this,

1110
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:13,000
you know, the, you know, clearly Sinatra, you

1111
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,480
know, with her line here at this, at the end of

1112
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,840
this episode with the plan and you know, thinking

1113
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,280
Back to episode three with her conversation with

1114
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,230
Dr. Luge. And you know, the one thing you can't

1115
01:03:23,230 --> 01:03:27,470
buy is time. So yeah, all the, all the breadcrumbs

1116
01:03:27,470 --> 01:03:28,790
are there, but it's sort of, you know. But

1117
01:03:28,790 --> 01:03:30,950
thinking back to the season one with like with the

1118
01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:33,900
librarian, I mean, who ends up being the person

1119
01:03:33,900 --> 01:03:37,060
who murdered Cal. I mean all these references to

1120
01:03:37,060 --> 01:03:39,500
time could be just one big misdirect and it could

1121
01:03:39,500 --> 01:03:40,860
be something else completely different.

1122
01:03:42,620 --> 01:03:46,250
>> Sarah : Like I go back and forth on it, because it very

1123
01:03:46,250 --> 01:03:51,330
well could be a misdirect. I don't like this idea

1124
01:03:51,490 --> 01:03:54,650
that it's gonna be ah, we're building a time

1125
01:03:54,650 --> 01:03:55,090
machine.

1126
01:03:55,170 --> 01:03:55,850
>> Will: I don't either.

1127
01:03:55,850 --> 01:03:59,350
>> Sarah : I also don't like the idea of specifically to go

1128
01:03:59,350 --> 01:04:02,230
back in time so she can save her kid.

1129
01:04:02,630 --> 01:04:03,030
>> Will: Right.

1130
01:04:03,430 --> 01:04:07,540
>> Sarah : that is. No, no, no. The only way I accept it is

1131
01:04:07,540 --> 01:04:12,940
if it's actually go forward because I feel like

1132
01:04:13,420 --> 01:04:17,150
it's kind of stepped. it's kind of set up to be.

1133
01:04:17,630 --> 01:04:24,710
To go backwards. But I just, it's too far fetched

1134
01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:29,260
for me. I like the idea of, well, if there's

1135
01:04:29,260 --> 01:04:34,700
enough time we can wade out whatever this Act 2

1136
01:04:34,700 --> 01:04:37,480
is. But you just had an idea.

1137
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:41,201
>> Will: No, no. When you said about the going forward.

1138
01:04:41,721 --> 01:04:44,151
>> Will: I just, I thought. I just happened to think about

1139
01:04:44,151 --> 01:04:46,231
something m. We talked about earlier with Kyle

1140
01:04:46,231 --> 01:04:48,231
saying taking things back to the Stone Age. As far

1141
01:04:48,231 --> 01:04:50,851
as what we're talking about, the medical. So maybe

1142
01:04:50,851 --> 01:04:53,051
that is what it is. I think you, I think maybe

1143
01:04:53,051 --> 01:04:54,771
you're hitting on it. It's not that we're going

1144
01:04:54,771 --> 01:04:56,851
backwards in time. It's actually going forward in

1145
01:04:56,851 --> 01:04:57,131
time.

1146
01:04:57,211 --> 01:05:00,371
>> Sarah : Yeah. Because she promised. She, she's talking to

1147
01:05:00,371 --> 01:05:05,771
this baby. The, the way she talks about it, it's,

1148
01:05:05,931 --> 01:05:11,101
it's more. I don't think she's looking back. I

1149
01:05:11,101 --> 01:05:14,581
don't. I don't think that. I think it's more about

1150
01:05:15,461 --> 01:05:22,371
future and trying to get, get a civilization to

1151
01:05:22,371 --> 01:05:26,091
get past whatever this Act 2 is in a way.

1152
01:05:28,031 --> 01:05:28,591
>> Will: Yep.

1153
01:05:28,991 --> 01:05:32,671
>> Sarah : But. But why link is so crucial has yet to really

1154
01:05:32,671 --> 01:05:36,271
be explained or seen. I mean we still got half of

1155
01:05:36,271 --> 01:05:41,171
the season left, to tell like the complete story.

1156
01:05:42,001 --> 01:05:44,931
for sure. But I'm glad to hear that you're on my

1157
01:05:44,931 --> 01:05:47,901
side on this, that we don't want a time machine

1158
01:05:47,981 --> 01:05:51,511
and to go backwards. I, will say that I'm

1159
01:05:51,511 --> 01:05:54,591
surprised you haven't brought this up. But then

1160
01:05:54,591 --> 01:05:57,071
again you don't like this character, so maybe I

1161
01:05:57,071 --> 01:06:02,801
shouldn't be surprised. time has always been

1162
01:06:02,801 --> 01:06:05,161
connected with Sinatra's ah, storyline.

1163
01:06:05,481 --> 01:06:06,001
>> Will: Yeah.

1164
01:06:06,001 --> 01:06:08,681
>> Sarah : Including in the second episode of season one.

1165
01:06:09,001 --> 01:06:12,601
There's. I, I feel like the first time we see her

1166
01:06:12,601 --> 01:06:15,221
flashback, it opens with. With like her staring at

1167
01:06:15,221 --> 01:06:17,581
a clock in the therapy session.

1168
01:06:17,821 --> 01:06:18,221
>> Will: Yeah.

1169
01:06:18,221 --> 01:06:21,781
>> Sarah : And there, there is a lot of. Throughout that

1170
01:06:21,781 --> 01:06:25,421
episode about time, but that is kind of put on

1171
01:06:25,421 --> 01:06:28,341
the, on the shelf. And now this season it's like,

1172
01:06:28,341 --> 01:06:32,061
let's bring this off. but I, I think just

1173
01:06:32,061 --> 01:06:36,421
hopefully in episode five, I just would like there

1174
01:06:36,421 --> 01:06:38,341
to be no mention of time.

1175
01:06:39,621 --> 01:06:40,901
>> Will: I don't think that's gonna happen.

1176
01:06:41,221 --> 01:06:44,251
>> Sarah : We, we. But there'll be some references, I think.

1177
01:06:44,251 --> 01:06:47,211
I think they reached their limit in this episode

1178
01:06:47,211 --> 01:06:48,971
alone. That's all I'm saying.

1179
01:06:49,291 --> 01:06:51,291
>> Will: Yeah, well, you know, you know, we did, you know,

1180
01:06:51,291 --> 01:06:53,211
the Rob, you know, thought that, you know, we, you

1181
01:06:53,211 --> 01:06:56,291
know, Carmen did tell Sinatra, you know, things

1182
01:06:56,291 --> 01:06:59,021
are. Things, are, are getting, are getting closer.

1183
01:06:59,021 --> 01:07:01,701
So I'm m. Paraphrasing but. And you know, the

1184
01:07:01,701 --> 01:07:04,781
Robbie, you know, did take that picture of them

1185
01:07:05,021 --> 01:07:07,501
and, and put a bug in it. So, you know, so,

1186
01:07:08,930 --> 01:07:12,770
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, the, the plan is still going. Yeah,

1187
01:07:13,170 --> 01:07:15,890
yeah, yeah. They're. Thank you for bringing that

1188
01:07:15,890 --> 01:07:20,080
up. That whatever is happening, it still is being

1189
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:24,280
protected. Some people are on the end. Dr. Thorabi

1190
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:27,590
remains on the outside of that conversation, but

1191
01:07:27,590 --> 01:07:33,051
is weaseling her away into it. but. All right,

1192
01:07:33,051 --> 01:07:36,851
well, that is it for us. We are all caught up on

1193
01:07:36,851 --> 01:07:40,011
season two of paradise and we'll continue episode

1194
01:07:40,011 --> 01:07:42,451
breakdowns for the rest of this month. We're also

1195
01:07:42,451 --> 01:07:45,611
going to be starting One Piece season two, so be

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on the lookout for that next week. Will, why don't

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you tell our listeners where they can find you?

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>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials. Drop your

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theories as far as what you think happened as

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well. And in, in the comment section if you're

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watching this on YouTube or on our webpage if

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you're listening to us on the audio, at Will and

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Polk. W I L L M M P

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>> Sarah : O L K And please follow me on X formerly known as

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podcast. Good night. Geek out. You're welcome.

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>> Will: Sa.