They Killed Frenchie - The Boys Season 5 Episode 7 Review + Daredevil Born Again Finale Reaction

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>> Will: Foreign.

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>> Sarah : Nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah

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Belmont, and with me, as always, is our Mr.

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Producer, will Will Polk Carry doing tonight,

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Will.

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. Looking forward to talking

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some Daredevil and the Boys with you tonight.

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>> Sarah : Okay, everyone, how genuine did Will sound when he

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said Daredevil?

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>> Will: hey, you know, I actually just. Spoiler alert. I

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did like the finale. I did. I really enjoyed

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Daredevil the season. Spoiler. Spoiler alert.

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Yeah, I mean, you know, of course I was. I did not

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watch. I've only watched bits and pieces of the

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Netflix show, but, you know, I, I really have

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enjoyed the season.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. well, we'll. We'll get there. we first

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have to, do the penultimate The Boys Season 5,

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Episode 7, the Frenchman, the Female and the Man

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Called mother's milk. The IMDb summary is warning,

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exercise caution when entering soundstage.

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Performers may be using superpowers. That's kind

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of a lame summary because that was the opening

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sequence and there was so much other stuff going

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on in this episode. So I don't know, they could

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have done a little bit better on that one.

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>> Will: They could have. They could have.

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>> Sarah : Just saying, Will, what did you think about this

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episode?

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>> Will: Yeah, so I really, you know, for the penultimate

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episode, and I really, really enjoyed this

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episode. It really, you know, has a lot to do,

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because it is a penultimate episode for a series.

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But, and you know, I've seen some of the. I've

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seen mixed reactions to it online. Some people

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really, you know, people enjoyed it. But then

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folks really got into. Well, there was a lot that

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happened here that for penultimate. Seems we only

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have one episode left, how we're going to tie up

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all these loose ends. But I, you know, but I felt

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that, you know, just, just jump right to some of

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the, the major points. I mean, as far as, you

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know, we lost Frenchie. and. But. But I do feel

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that. That it was earned and things that happened.

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I know. And, and also just the way that they, this

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in. In this episode and given that we do have all

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the stakes, the. Even though he was the one that

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got it, they really set up in the episode any

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number of characters. Deep. Kimiko, Ashley, even

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Soldier Boy all could have been, the. The ones

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that could have gotten, exterminated, here it

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right before the finale. But, but yeah, overall I,

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I really enjoyed this episode and I know you're

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joking about the IMDb summary and the oh father of

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it all, but just that I actually whatever the V

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Digs was like doing, coming out there singing and

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the whole start of that with, with the choir from

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a funeral and everything. I just. I, it, you know,

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it was a catchy. I, I wasn't sitting there bopping

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with it. I was like, yeah, this is pretty dope.

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>> Sarah : Well, it was the reason why they hired who they

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did to play oh, Father, because only he could

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really execute that whole sequence. And I'm not

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mad about that sequence. And, in the latest, like,

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that was a highlight of the episode for sure. I

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just think that, that episode, the start and then

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the end, and I, I'm gonna be honest, I fell asleep

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in the middle during a very, very pivotal,

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section. but Mother's Milk had some interesting

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scenes. I really want to stand while we record

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this, but it's not working out because I actually

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have to read my notes. but, yeah, we saw Jordan

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and Marie in this episode for a little bit. They

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didn't really do anything. but they, they might

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have a role in the finale. There was kind of a

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lead in there at the end. and then Mother's Milk

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and Annie spent a lot of time together in this

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episode around the control, group to see the

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preview for the second coming of Christ, AKA

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Homelander. So that's the only way I know how to,

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how to say it.

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>> Will: I don't know. I don't think it was a second

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coming. I think his Homelanders, like. No, it is

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becoming.

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>> Sarah : I, I, you know, whatever. yeah. What did you. So,

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so besides liking the opening sequence, what else

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did you think about all of that?

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>> Will: Yeah, so I think, as far as, I mean, so the

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opening sequence was, was definitely one of the

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highlights of the episode, I think also just the

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Homelander of it all. Let's just, let's just get

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in. Since we were just talking about his, his, his

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coming, his ascension into, into godhood and the

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way O Father was setting up, the, you know, with

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the Democratic Church of America, roll out of

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that, you know, of course we did get Homelander

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there in, in the scene there in the Oval Office.

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he was definitely there with Ashley. And you know,

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one of the things that this show, I feel like, I

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mean, I swear Eric Kripke must have a time machine

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or something because all, you know, things, it

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just, once again, things seem to be ripped from

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the headlines. You know, where you had Homelander

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dictated to the, you know, the puppet president.

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you know, they want, you know, separation between

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church and state dissolved and, and disband

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Congress, is better for freedom and you know, just

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the rubber stamp things. And my. One of my

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favorite lines of. Of the season is when I want to

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ban nut milk, require mother's milk. I mean, you

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know, it's just, you know, the absurdities of, of

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the power and you know, thinking about where you,

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you basically, you have these, these yes. Men and

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women sitting around Homelander and you know,

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whether it's a Calhoun or it's Ashley and Deep and

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many others and, you know, they're all, A lot of

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them are like, you know, sitting there like, this

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is really fucked up. Especially Calhoun,

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especially whenever he was like, yeah, we can do

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this, Mr. President, but we, you know, we got to

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get Congress to do it. And of course, Homelander

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didn't get pissed. He just got. He was more. He

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was like, disappointed because again, he didn't

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have someone who was, you know, he saw that as an

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affront that he. That this, that Calhoun was not.

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Not a true believer.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I mean, he had to make Ashley read his mind

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in order to confirm it. But there, there's. I'm

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just, I was thinking. And now gone. I did not work

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out before we started recording, and that's the

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problem. So, so really, I, Yeah, he. I don't know.

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I feel like. I feel like the, the more absurd, his

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demands get, the more, I just lose disinterest. It

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becomes more mustache twirly to me and then, then

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like one of the, the best villains that we've seen

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on screen in a while. so. So. So as, as the yes

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man, as you refer to them, become more afraid and

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realize like, how, how, how wrong all of this is.

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How up. It just. I don't know, it just doesn't

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work for me. And it just, it just. I. We've seen

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it. We've seen five seasons. Again, the more

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interesting stuff with Homelander is not the, the

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absurdity, the taking a bath and mother and milk,

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but to actually have his whole, the whole

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interaction between him and Soldier Boy is, Was

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fascinating. And, and, then, even though, I mean,

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if you just take their relationship out of it,

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which I think is very hard to do, we do go just

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full circle with Soldier Boy where it's like

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you're in the chamber, you're out the chamber,

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you're back in the chamber, you're out. It's just

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an interesting thing that continues to happen to

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that character. but we will be getting a prequel

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series that will center around him. And so.

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>> Will: Yeah, well, I, I could hear, I could See, and I

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joked earlier, it feels like it's a time machine.

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I think it's very hard one. Well, just within the

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universe of this show, you see, you, you see the

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things. But also, I think it's been a real big

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challenge for them. Just literally, like, stuff

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that's, like, ripped off, it feels like it's

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ripped out off the headlines with some of the

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things that are just going on in the real world.

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So it's, it, it, it is kind of like, okay, well,

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you know, I just saw this on the news. Like, you

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know, someone, you know, creating a meme of

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themselves playing God or whatever, being a God

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just on the news last week. So kind of hard

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whenever we got this character in the show that's

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like, you know, doing the same thing. I mean, so

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it's got, you know, so. But I agree with you with,

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with respect to the relationship there with, with

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between Homelander and Soldier Boy, because, you

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know, whenever, you know, it's just that

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Homelander is still to this day, just wants that.

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Want Soldier Boy's approval. and, and, you know,

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and I really. There's only a few people in the

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world, in this world who are able to stand up to

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Homelander and just see him for who he is. And

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Soldier Boy just rightly calls him out. I was

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like, look, you know, you know, God. And, and, you

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know, and I loved how he was like when Homelander

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was just, just crushed there that he just didn't

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want to stick around. And, and Soldier Boy was

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like, well, would it help if you, if I said it's

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not you, it's me? I mean, he was just, he was

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trying to, in his own way, soften it as much as he

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could.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah. then fast forward to the end

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where you have Homelander arrive at the hideout

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knowing that what they're trying to do with

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Kimiko, what did you think about the decision

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making there with, with Frenchie sacrificing

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himself? But, but we haven't delved into that

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quite deep enough. So I'm just wondering more

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about the decision making of Homelander because he

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goes there knowing exactly what's been brewing in

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that facility. He does look at the thing that he

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can't see through the lead container and he

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questions it. And then he gets informed by

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Frenchie that they've already done it, so there's

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nothing he can do. So he just leaves after not

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completely killing Frenchie. but, but putting him

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on the brink of death. That will come like, 10

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minutes later.

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>> Will: Yeah. So let's just so I'm clear, so. Or

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Homelander's decision to go to the lab once.

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>> Sarah : No, no, no, not his decision to go. I guess I'm,

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I'm not, I'm not articulating well this evening,

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which is obvious. to me, I, I'm not arguing if

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that Frenchie's death was not deserved or

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anything. I just, I just feel like in all of the

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other kills that we've seen occur, this one was,

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the least like Homelander.

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>> Sarah : It just, there was something off about it where.

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And, and, and maybe I, I got into the whole thing

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of, as the scene because it's a very long

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sequence, in my opinion, and almost arguably too

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long of a sequence. And, and that allowed me to,

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gave me more time to just be like, okay, I think

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this is what's gonna happen. Oh, this is what's

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gonna happen. And we're just gonna like, she's

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just gonna hear the cries as he's like being

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blasted with uranium and that whole juxtaposition.

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But instead we don't really see the final attack,

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we see the outcome. And again, it's enough to

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where he can still have this like, dialogue with

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Kimiko to, for them, for him to quote, unquote,

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die in peace. so I don't know, it just felt too

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written, if that makes sense.

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>> Will: See, yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't

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think I felt that, that it was too written. I

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mean, I think now it, I mean it was clearly

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telegraphed. you know, it's been, and it's been

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set up. I mean, I, as I was watching the scene

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last night and I, and I will say for me, it did,

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emotionally, it did, it did work for me. I mean, I

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was actually like, I was kind of taken it back

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that I actually got, I actually teared up over

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what, what had transpired. because I know in, in,

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you know, past seasons, it's no, no secret for

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especially folks who've listened to us for a

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while. we, you know, we had our, we had our palms

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and, and moments about like it felt like whenever

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Kimiko and Frenchie's relationship was being

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developed, it just, we weren't big fans of a lot

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of those things, especially in season four. But

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but with this season, you know, Frenchie's always

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been the guy he, you know, there were, you know,

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folks were always like, pulling him out of, you

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know, trouble, rescuing him, helping him come up

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with all over, overcome his drug addictions and

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other things like that. And then this Season the

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role's been reversed where Frenchie's been the one

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who has been playing the role of being the coming

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to everyone else's rescue or aid and like with.

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And, and so whenever he had that realization in

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this episode when he was like, you know, well, I

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do want to have children and seeing the future

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beyond this instant moment and can really

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contemplate that, I was just like, yeah, okay,

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this is, this is not going to end well. But when

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the moment did happen and I loved how he was, you

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know, again it was, it was kind of reminded me of

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the legend last week where, you know, legend and

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even Soldier Boy, they saw Homelander for who he

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is and, and preachy, you know, in that in his

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final moments was just like what you would expect

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that one of the boys to be, which is to be defiant

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and not, cower to, To Homelander. So yeah, the,

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you know, so whatever, you know, the assault the

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Homelander, it inflicted on him happen off screen

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and we saw the impact of it, but I think it was,

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it was almost instead of just lasering him like he

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would like he's done so many other just, you know,

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cannon father, father people, this one felt more

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personal, because of, of who the boys are, what

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Frenchie represents. and, and so he, I think he

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wanted him to suffer.

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>> Sarah : What did you think about, the plan to make Kumiko

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into Soldier Boy?

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>> Will: Yeah, that was, that, that was a interesting term

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that I, that I did not particularly. I didn't. I

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don't think I saw that one's coming. But it's a,

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it's an interesting choice because I know he, I

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know he briefly touched on the, Marie and, and,

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and Jordan showing up from Gen V, which, you know,

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they, it always seemed with, with respect to, to

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that those two, with those characters, they were

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like playing up the kids from, from GenV all

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throughout the season and, and mentioning them and

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that kind of thing. But they in, you know, they

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basically like diverged from the comics and

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decided to make Kimiko, you know, a mini soldier

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boy. So I, you know, given her healing factor, it

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makes sense, for her to be the one that they could

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do, potentially do this to. because you know, of

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course that was part of what was going on there,

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especially engaging Sage and trying to figure out

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the formulas and all that kind of stuff. so I see

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where they're going with that and maybe, you know,

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to your point, what you said earlier about Soldier

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Boy on again, off again, you know, will they pair

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up in the finale to like, you know, depower

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Homelander and make him just the ordinary man.

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which was probably a fate worse than death for

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him. you know, I like that choice.

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>> Sarah : But soldier boys in the cryo chamber.

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>> Will: Yeah, but you know, they can always get out.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, that's true.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, that's. That's very true.

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>> Will: or, or can make you just do it on her own. I mean,

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you know, because, Which one. Which, you know,

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which would be some, you know, that, that, you

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know, instead of it being Marie, because I guess

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they kind of nerfed Marie in this episode a bit.

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But it was. But especially after mother's Milk,

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like first talked to her about, well, we

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>> Sarah : know that she has control issues over her power,

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but then again, we watched Gen V and who knows

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what other viewers have and have not seen of the

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Gen V kids. So I, I don't, I don't think she,

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she's gonna have a role, but she's not the be all

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end all because this, this story is not about her.

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>> Will: Right.

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>> Sarah : even Kimiko, I was like, hm, that seems like an

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odd choice. Just, I mean, it makes sense, but it's

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still an odd choice in terms of. This story has

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been, yes, about the boys, but mainly about

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Butcher and, Huey. So. Yeah, so, which, which

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they, they got held hostage and we saw, we saw,

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Jeffrey Dean Morgan again. What did you think

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about all of that?

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>> Will: Yeah, get. Having Kessler, come back, to. In, in

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this final season, I thought was a very smart

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move, because, you know, it. That was. To me, that

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was one of the highlights of one of the earlier

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seasons. The whole Butcher, you know, confronting

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his internal demons and stuff and things that he

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did back in the day when he was in the CIA and for

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SYNAPSE to like, you know, probe their minds and,

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and for Huey to like, see, see Kessler because,

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you know, because all this time has always been

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some, you know, in Butcher's head. But now to see

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it physically out there and Huey hearing a

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recontextualized story, I mean, we knew a lot of

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these things about Butcher, but then I think the

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getting more details in this episode about some of

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the crazy, the messed up things that Butcher did

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in his past and, and how, and how they basically,

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I loved how Huey and Butcher, you know, used

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twisted things and used, used that whole, whole

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sequence to distract Synapse. And then Butcher was

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able to free himself and, and you know, take him

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out so they could, they could free, they could get

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free was great. And then also it's just really

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cool just to see. I mean, we've had moments of

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Butcher and Huey throughout the season, but it's

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is. Is. It was. For me, it was like, this is

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really cool. This. You know, here we are. Some of

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the. I felt. I felt like it was some of their

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earlier early season dynamics, especially like

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when I think it was in season three where, you

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know what, Butcher got the compound V. And I think

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Huey dabbled with it a little while as well. It

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reminded me a lot of that dynamic, in that scene,

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even though they were both, you know, both Jake.

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Jake chained up, in that conference room.

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>> Sarah : So this is the part where I fell asleep and I, I

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don't know what it was. I was watching the episode

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and for some reason anytime Jeffrey dream, Morgan

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would stay line might. I would not hear anything

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like there. It was just. I'm just like, yeah,

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okay, this is happening. I'm not really engaged to

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understand what he's talking about. And, And I

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think it's because unlike you, I, I didn't like

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the Kessler storyline, because you told me that,

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oh, it's all in his head. And so I immediately

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disengaged during that season from the old

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wobbling. And then because. Because Butcher over

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the years, it's just he's become less. Less three

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dimensional. And so I, I don't know if for some

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reason I just. I was watching the episode and

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anytime like we would go to. Back to the

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conference room and during the long synapse

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monologues, I was just like, okay, I don't. I

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don't really care. We're in the final hour. Like

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we're countdown near so. But I do agree that it

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was at least nice to get these moments with Huey

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and Butcher because as the seasons have gone on,

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their dynamic has been less of a feature. And it

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was a strength ear in the earlier seasons. And,

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and that was another thing that I think has gotten

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in. In the way of this story is, not being able to

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really allow that friendship to evolve. And, and

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it has. But it also, felt like suddenly they had

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to separate the two characters, for what feels

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like a while. And I'm like, but they've been on

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the same team, but why does it feel like they've

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been in two different continents for at least a

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season and a half? so. But. But then again, it. A

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lot of what is happening logically makes sense to

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me. I'm not arguing about that. I, I just have

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some execution issues mainly with this episode,

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especially when I compare it to the previous

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episodes. And, Because I do think overall, this

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season in particular is doing a good job about

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Will always likes to use this metaphor, like

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planting the seeds and then we're watching things

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come to fruition. So I. Nothing's coming out too

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out of left field. I mean, and then we always have

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to have those moments that really make me check

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out of episodes when people start sniffing each

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other's butts for no apartment. Like. Like Kripke

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always has to remind you, like, yeah, you're just

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gonna. You just heard this beautiful monologue

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from Mother's Elk about his name and the backstory

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and the meaning, and it. And it allowed for a pep

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talk opportunity because Annie has been in and out

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completely different this season. Both of these

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two characters have. And then for that to then be

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followed up with that scene of the butt sniffing.

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It's like how the. This. This only happens in the

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boys universe.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, I. Yeah. So that. So that. To your

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point, that was. That was the moment where I

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checked out, with the episode. Because the. I

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mean, and I get it. That is the. That is the

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thing. That is just the boys thing. I mean, it's

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just baked into the DNA of this show. You're gonna

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get those moments, but at the same time, it's

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like, okay, yeah, this is. This is. This is the

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moment where I can, like, you know, sort of sit

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back and just let the. Let the. Let the craziness

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happens. And then I can Then whenever, like you

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said, really can reflect on what Mother's Milk

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really talked about with how he got his name and

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how he. How he took ownership of. Of that, you

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know, where his friends were like, you know, look

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at him as soft or whatever, but he just really. It

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was where he had that level of, I guess,

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compassion and whatever, and. And it really was a.

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You know, as far as pep talks goes, definitely

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better than Butcher's, you know, Posh Spice one.

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But I like that one.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, because that came out of left field. Left

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field. And he landed the plane. And I was like,

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okay, okay. Yeah, he knows how British you are.

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Okay.

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>> Will: Yep, yep. Yeah. But, But it was very genius just

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to. To. To give us. Give us that. That context

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and. And really to pull, you know, but also help

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rec. Understand the. The cynicism that he was.

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That he's been. Show. you know, but now he carries

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that name as a badge of honor and how it just sort

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of carries forward whenever they do rescue all the

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other. The people that were in that focus group

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who, You Know, definitely they're not going to be

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that. The 33% that, no matter what Homelander

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does, he's always going to, they're always going

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to, like, follow along. These are, these people

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are like, what the hell?

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>> Sarah : No, I think that's where I had the, an issue with

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the sequence, because as a viewer, I understand

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what Annie's talking about.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : But the whole time I'm like, guys, why isn't it

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clicking? They're gonna kill anyone who doesn't

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speak favorably here. Like, I, I don't know why

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Mother's Milk and Annie wouldn't, wouldn't

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immediately realize that given what they know

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about, like, like all of the signs were there. I

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mean, you, you have civilians in a room with soups

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and use, and Mother's Milk says it himself. Like,

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so many of the, most deadly, mind readers are in

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that room, and they're being shown an

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advertisement for Homelander. So I, that's where I

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was kind of like, really, guys, you, you, you

480
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don't, you don't see the writing on the wall here?

481
00:28:53,850 --> 00:28:57,300
but I did like that moment between them, and, and

482
00:28:57,300 --> 00:29:00,860
then speaking about another very boys universe

483
00:29:00,860 --> 00:29:08,070
that, that probably could have happened earlier in

484
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:10,590
the series, but it happened in the final series,

485
00:29:10,590 --> 00:29:14,790
and that was a shark voiced by Samuel L. Jackson.

486
00:29:14,790 --> 00:29:15,430
You know,

487
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:21,710
>> Will: as soon as that voice happened, I was like, yeah,

488
00:29:21,710 --> 00:29:27,270
I was like, that's Samuel L. Only, only, only,

489
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:30,170
only a black man could, like, talk like a shark

490
00:29:30,170 --> 00:29:31,170
and curse that way.

491
00:29:32,530 --> 00:29:38,890
>> Sarah : Well, and only. Yeah, he has a. He has a very

492
00:29:38,890 --> 00:29:42,970
distinct pronunciation of the F word. yeah, so,

493
00:29:43,450 --> 00:29:46,130
but, but now that I think about it, it's even more

494
00:29:46,130 --> 00:29:49,460
funny because of that old movie he did, Deep Blue

495
00:29:49,460 --> 00:29:49,900
Sea.

496
00:29:50,380 --> 00:29:54,140
>> Will: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

497
00:29:56,610 --> 00:29:57,490
>> Sarah : Oh, my God.

498
00:29:57,890 --> 00:30:01,810
>> Will: Oh, my gosh. Yeah, that, that, But, you know, so I

499
00:30:01,810 --> 00:30:04,970
have to ask you. So to that point with, you know,

500
00:30:04,970 --> 00:30:07,650
so, of course, you know, Homelander vanished, you

501
00:30:07,650 --> 00:30:11,530
know, abolished the, the, the seven and, and deep.

502
00:30:11,530 --> 00:30:13,930
It's just, you know, he's continuing the.

503
00:30:13,930 --> 00:30:18,570
Darrell's downward spiral of, of undying loyalty

504
00:30:18,570 --> 00:30:21,090
to someone who's not going to reciprocate it. And,

505
00:30:21,090 --> 00:30:25,880
and now he is, he is out, trying, you know, trying

506
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,520
to find meaning and, you know, throwing the can in

507
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,480
the water and, and so, so do you think the fish,

508
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,720
you know, given that they, you know, speaking of,

509
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,839
of Xander, like, telling him that he's banished

510
00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:41,520
from the seas, do you think the fish actually,

511
00:30:43,290 --> 00:30:46,110
created a situation where, that they, they were

512
00:30:46,270 --> 00:30:48,430
pulling that person underwater so deep, had to

513
00:30:48,430 --> 00:30:49,630
jump in so they could kill him.

514
00:30:51,150 --> 00:30:52,750
>> Sarah : Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

515
00:30:52,990 --> 00:30:53,430
>> Will: Yeah.

516
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:57,550
>> Sarah : I mean, I will be honest. I didn't listen to. I

517
00:30:57,550 --> 00:31:00,910
had issues throughout this. In case it isn't

518
00:31:00,910 --> 00:31:03,430
obvious for those who have been listening to us

519
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:06,750
for the last half hour, I. I had engagement

520
00:31:06,750 --> 00:31:09,920
episode, issues throughout this entire episode,

521
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:15,280
including this part. And when I reflect back on it

522
00:31:15,850 --> 00:31:19,290
as we. We've been talking, I think that my issue

523
00:31:19,450 --> 00:31:23,770
is this is the penultimate to a series finale. So

524
00:31:23,770 --> 00:31:27,810
I'm just like, let's go. Let's get to bed. I'm

525
00:31:27,810 --> 00:31:32,440
like, we're right here. And so. So to me, I don't

526
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,440
know. I'm just in this moment of like, la, la, la,

527
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,160
la, la. You're probably gonna die next episode.

528
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,960
Yeah, I don't know. And I don't. I. I'm not

529
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,490
saying, like, they're very well, which I would be

530
00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:48,770
ironic. The Deep could survive.

531
00:31:49,170 --> 00:31:49,750
>> Will: I, think he is.

532
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:53,510
>> Sarah : I mean, so far. So far, signs are pointing, like,

533
00:31:53,510 --> 00:31:56,510
we gotta have one of them. One of them survive.

534
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,600
and by survive, we mean also retain powers. Let me

535
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:06,650
clarify that. fully. Fully as. As he is. but I

536
00:32:06,650 --> 00:32:11,870
also am just like, I. I don't know. The. Now that

537
00:32:11,870 --> 00:32:16,030
we're here, I'm just. I'm just itching for more

538
00:32:16,030 --> 00:32:20,750
of, like, the actual conclusions as opposed to the

539
00:32:20,750 --> 00:32:23,550
buildup to the conclusion, if that makes sense.

540
00:32:24,030 --> 00:32:26,430
>> Will: I hear you. One. One quick thing. I do want to

541
00:32:26,430 --> 00:32:28,750
just, And I think that's a totally fair point. you

542
00:32:28,750 --> 00:32:32,950
know, and I think maybe. Let me. Let me put a pin

543
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:35,390
in that first. I want to just hit Deep real fast

544
00:32:35,390 --> 00:32:40,200
and just given. I just want to pick up a point. I

545
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,640
thought about with Deep and A Train and think

546
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,000
something we also talked about with Annie with the

547
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,480
whole redemption, aspect of it all. And, Yeah.

548
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,719
Yes, I do think the fish, like, set were set up

549
00:32:51,719 --> 00:32:53,960
Deep to, like, jump in so they could kill him. But

550
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,760
also, you know, they did have that person, like,

551
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,880
scanning the, you know, recording all of this go

552
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,720
down and. And he had a moment there where he could

553
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,140
have, like, redeemed himself. Like. Like a train

554
00:33:06,140 --> 00:33:10,300
did save a mother's milk whenever, he had the.

555
00:33:10,380 --> 00:33:12,460
When he. When mother's milk had the heart attack.

556
00:33:13,380 --> 00:33:16,500
and the kids saw that in the parking lot and

557
00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:21,020
everything. And, you know, a train was. Was like,

558
00:33:21,020 --> 00:33:23,420
okay. You know, Deep had that moment where he

559
00:33:23,420 --> 00:33:25,420
could have, like, redeemed, you know, even if it

560
00:33:25,420 --> 00:33:27,380
had been a heroic death, he could have, like,

561
00:33:27,380 --> 00:33:29,820
redeemed himself. But, you know, but again, he's

562
00:33:29,820 --> 00:33:32,730
just the show again. Once again, the coward. Daddy

563
00:33:32,730 --> 00:33:35,880
is. So, yeah, so there was that. But, you know, to

564
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,680
your point about the. The penultimate of it all,

565
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:47,680
see, I. I went into this not expecting the big

566
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,080
bump. I don't. I won't. I don't know if bombastics

567
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,320
to the word, but I went and I didn't. I went into

568
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,090
this episode with no expectations because if I had

569
00:33:59,290 --> 00:34:05,920
had penultimate episode expectations, like, you

570
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,800
know, it was just going to set. It was going to

571
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,319
set myself up for. For disappointment. And so I

572
00:34:12,319 --> 00:34:14,400
went into it with the blank slate, sort of. Sort

573
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,360
of like I've gone in with it with this whole

574
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,640
season and, And I think. I think throughout the

575
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,240
season, the show just has had a very meta aspect

576
00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:25,810
of it of like, you know, they drop it every

577
00:34:25,810 --> 00:34:29,250
episode about how hard it is to land the plane in

578
00:34:29,250 --> 00:34:32,890
a final season. So I just kind of went into it

579
00:34:32,890 --> 00:34:34,690
that way too, where it's just like, all right, I'm

580
00:34:34,690 --> 00:34:37,820
just going to see what they show. it'll probably

581
00:34:37,820 --> 00:34:41,660
be mess, you know, maybe. And. And yeah, coming

582
00:34:41,660 --> 00:34:44,130
out of it, I'm like, okay, you know, it's. It is

583
00:34:44,130 --> 00:34:46,800
what it is. I, Could they have had this episode

584
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,960
probably earlier with some of the things in it?

585
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,160
Yes. But at the end of the day, I was still

586
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,160
entertained. And, you know, I kind of think we

587
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,880
joked about this earlier whenever some people said

588
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,600
that a few episodes were like, filler and stuff,

589
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,320
and I was like, well, actually, no, I don't. I

590
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,160
don't know if it's necessarily filler. It's just.

591
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,960
It's just, you know, we're the. The curse of the

592
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,080
eight seasons now. You can't do everything that

593
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,120
you used to be able to do in a 22 episode season.

594
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,500
But, that's just sort of where I was at, where my

595
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:19,100
head was at.

596
00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:22,220
>> Sarah : Do you think that I came in with expectations?

597
00:35:23,260 --> 00:35:26,300
>> Will: Well, you kind of hinted at it that, that you,

598
00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:29,340
that you did. Or. Or maybe. Well, we said that you

599
00:35:29,420 --> 00:35:32,300
are, you know, it's a penultimate or. I don't

600
00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:34,300
know, maybe. Maybe expectations. I don't want to

601
00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:35,980
put words in your mouth. Maybe you're just like.

602
00:35:35,980 --> 00:35:37,500
Like you said, you're just ready to get to the

603
00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:38,460
finale. So.

604
00:35:38,860 --> 00:35:43,430
>> Sarah : Yeah, it's more. I, I don't. I mean, you know me,

605
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:46,190
I don't look at trailers or anything. I don't like

606
00:35:46,190 --> 00:35:52,160
to read ahead or know what's coming. so I don't. I

607
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,200
don't think I had expectations for this episode

608
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,880
nor for any Episodes. I mean, don't get me wrong,

609
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,560
because coming into this season, I was. I was kind

610
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,760
of on the fence because the boys, this is fifth

611
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,660
season, they have good episodes. It's. It's. You

612
00:36:12,660 --> 00:36:15,220
never know. You never know what you're gonna get.

613
00:36:15,220 --> 00:36:18,060
And so I've. I've very much learned to just be

614
00:36:18,060 --> 00:36:21,060
like, okay, it'll be the boys, whatever they give

615
00:36:21,060 --> 00:36:23,940
you. And. And I've been surprised because I do

616
00:36:23,940 --> 00:36:26,580
think that they are doing a good job. There were

617
00:36:26,580 --> 00:36:29,540
just things about this episode that I don't know

618
00:36:29,540 --> 00:36:33,820
if it was pacing, I don't know if it was some of

619
00:36:33,820 --> 00:36:38,780
the choices in terms of execution that was made.

620
00:36:40,590 --> 00:36:46,110
but it. It didn't. It wasn't landing the way that

621
00:36:46,430 --> 00:36:50,430
previous episodes and previous big moments landed.

622
00:36:51,070 --> 00:36:53,630
I. I should have been like you. I should have been

623
00:36:54,030 --> 00:36:57,910
crying or. Or really devastated with Frenchie's

624
00:36:57,910 --> 00:37:02,360
death. And yeah, to an extent, I am, but. Because

625
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:08,440
I don't. I. Because I was not. Because the way

626
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,560
they executed did not work for me. It didn't hit

627
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,760
me as hard of it like it did with a train or even

628
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,520
Firecracker, who's a villain, like, there. We've

629
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:26,040
had previous deaths this. This year that were not

630
00:37:26,620 --> 00:37:28,780
Homelander blasting someone.

631
00:37:29,340 --> 00:37:29,900
>> Will: Yeah.

632
00:37:29,900 --> 00:37:35,580
>> Sarah : But felt very much more decisive and much more

633
00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:43,100
like who he is as a villain. To me, in a way, I

634
00:37:43,260 --> 00:37:46,860
understand he was in pain, but he was not in an

635
00:37:46,940 --> 00:37:49,300
extreme amount of pain where he couldn't talk for,

636
00:37:49,300 --> 00:37:54,650
like, two minutes to Kimiko. So I just. I just.

637
00:37:54,650 --> 00:37:59,210
And then also, somebody has pointed this out. Why

638
00:37:59,210 --> 00:38:04,090
didn't he destroy the lab? Like, there's something

639
00:38:04,170 --> 00:38:06,610
once that got pointed out to me, I'm like, yeah,

640
00:38:06,610 --> 00:38:09,770
there's something really weird. It just. It

641
00:38:09,770 --> 00:38:15,250
didn't. Didn't feel like. Because Homelander's not

642
00:38:15,250 --> 00:38:15,770
dumb.

643
00:38:16,330 --> 00:38:16,730
>> Will: Right.

644
00:38:16,810 --> 00:38:18,330
>> Sarah : He's never been dumb.

645
00:38:19,140 --> 00:38:19,460
>> Will: Yeah.

646
00:38:19,460 --> 00:38:25,410
>> Sarah : So the fact that he, Knowing what occurred in that

647
00:38:25,410 --> 00:38:30,650
place, knowing, like, Frenchie's involvement in it

648
00:38:30,810 --> 00:38:35,050
and like, he has, like, a key member of the Boys,

649
00:38:36,010 --> 00:38:42,500
I. It just didn't feel like the, The Homelander

650
00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:45,940
that not only we've seen before, but specifically

651
00:38:45,940 --> 00:38:49,220
in the scene season with how he's treated those

652
00:38:49,540 --> 00:38:52,460
who do not believe in him. So.

653
00:38:52,460 --> 00:38:55,860
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, well, see, you know, to. I'm glad you

654
00:38:55,860 --> 00:38:58,700
said that about a train and Firecracker's death,

655
00:38:58,700 --> 00:39:01,460
because it reminded me of our conversation

656
00:39:01,460 --> 00:39:03,940
whenever. With. With when we talked about a train

657
00:39:03,940 --> 00:39:11,360
sl. Where it, you know, he didn't laser him. you

658
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,810
know, he. It was a very. It was a very, like,

659
00:39:16,250 --> 00:39:19,330
physical death where he Just snapped. Yeah, and.

660
00:39:19,330 --> 00:39:22,730
And so. Yeah, and. And so. And that's where I was

661
00:39:22,730 --> 00:39:24,650
when I was mentioned earlier. Like, with. With.

662
00:39:24,650 --> 00:39:29,300
With, Homelander, you know, it was very personal.

663
00:39:29,540 --> 00:39:32,300
Like, it was very, like, you know, he has this all

664
00:39:32,300 --> 00:39:34,820
power, this all powerful being, but he's doing it

665
00:39:34,820 --> 00:39:38,550
in a very, you know, physical way. Like, even with

666
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:40,630
Firecracker, where he just shoved her against the,

667
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:44,430
you know, with the. The eagle thing there, I don't

668
00:39:44,430 --> 00:39:45,550
know why those.

669
00:39:45,790 --> 00:39:48,670
>> Sarah : Those felt physical. And I agree with you on that.

670
00:39:48,830 --> 00:39:50,270
This one did not to me.

671
00:39:50,910 --> 00:39:54,510
>> Will: Well, I think. I mean, I think for me, the genius

672
00:39:54,510 --> 00:39:58,910
of it is we saw the aftermath of it. You know, to

673
00:39:58,910 --> 00:40:01,030
your point, he didn't, you know, it wasn't a

674
00:40:01,030 --> 00:40:03,430
laser. He didn't laser French or anything, but

675
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:08,160
clearly he just. Just did a bunch of super punches

676
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,520
or whatever else that he did to Frenchie. You

677
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,520
know, it leaves it to our imagination to figure

678
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:18,560
out, to know, to see how this. How visceral it

679
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,250
was, you know, to Frenchie, as far as whatever he

680
00:40:22,250 --> 00:40:25,320
did to him, that. But, you know, you know, French,

681
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,680
whenever we did finally do see Frenchie, he was

682
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,370
just, Know, he was barely alive. but, But you're.

683
00:40:31,370 --> 00:40:33,850
But the. I'm glad. But the point about the lab, I

684
00:40:33,850 --> 00:40:35,930
think, is just. He just feels so invincible at

685
00:40:35,930 --> 00:40:38,210
this point, especially after he's gotten this V1.

686
00:40:38,210 --> 00:40:43,609
He just. I hear what I. I hear what I hear that

687
00:40:43,609 --> 00:40:45,530
point. I think it's a fair one that, you know, why

688
00:40:45,530 --> 00:40:47,410
didn't he destroy the lab? Especially given that

689
00:40:47,410 --> 00:40:52,670
he didn't find Sage or Kimiko. so that they, you

690
00:40:52,670 --> 00:40:54,630
know, so if they did escape or whatever, that, you

691
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:55,990
know, they wouldn't be able to come back and

692
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:56,670
finish the work.

693
00:40:58,510 --> 00:41:03,230
>> Sarah : Right, Right. Yeah. There. It's just. I mean,

694
00:41:03,230 --> 00:41:07,880
we're just gonna have to disagree on this one. and

695
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:14,200
head over to Hell's Kitchen. All right, so we are

696
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,720
talking about Daredevil Born Again, Season two,

697
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:20,120
Episode seven, A Hateful Darkness, and episodes

698
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,400
eight, the Southern Cross, which is the season

699
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,690
finale. Will, what did you think about, these two

700
00:41:27,690 --> 00:41:29,610
episodes of Daredevil Born Again.

701
00:41:30,570 --> 00:41:34,170
>> Will: Really enjoyed these two episodes. I. The

702
00:41:34,730 --> 00:41:38,890
Daredevil. This season, as Edison has progressed,

703
00:41:39,050 --> 00:41:42,450
I have gotten more and more engaged in this

704
00:41:42,450 --> 00:41:46,560
universe, with this character. And I, I, you know,

705
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:53,290
I really like one of the. As far as the episode

706
00:41:53,530 --> 00:41:56,850
seven, just to start with it, I loved the fact

707
00:41:56,850 --> 00:42:04,620
that it was, you know, lawyer Matt, having to, you

708
00:42:04,620 --> 00:42:09,220
know, basically come to the rescue here, you know,

709
00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:11,940
instead of being Daredevil. As far as you know,

710
00:42:11,940 --> 00:42:18,590
with the plan, because it's, you know, it was, it

711
00:42:18,590 --> 00:42:22,630
was given where things are at the point Kara, you

712
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:24,310
know, Karen's gonna have to like, go through, you

713
00:42:24,310 --> 00:42:27,490
know, go through this whole show proceeding, in

714
00:42:27,490 --> 00:42:29,810
order to, you know, keep sort of keep the upper

715
00:42:29,810 --> 00:42:31,850
hand with Fisk. Because, yeah, if he broke her

716
00:42:31,850 --> 00:42:34,130
out, then it would just, would have just based as

717
00:42:34,130 --> 00:42:36,290
Daredevil Able, it would have just doubled down

718
00:42:36,690 --> 00:42:40,010
every, the whole narrative that the anti vigilante

719
00:42:40,010 --> 00:42:43,410
act was, was, was, you know, basing its, its

720
00:42:43,410 --> 00:42:46,890
foundation on. and then of course, when we get,

721
00:42:46,970 --> 00:42:49,530
when we did get the finale, you know, we, we, we

722
00:42:49,530 --> 00:42:54,750
got the moment, that that Fisk just lost it all

723
00:42:54,910 --> 00:42:58,350
and you know, had, had, had that m. Had had the

724
00:42:58,830 --> 00:43:02,310
proverbial Darth Vader moment at the courthouse or

725
00:43:02,310 --> 00:43:05,850
in city hall. but, but even, but even with that,

726
00:43:05,850 --> 00:43:11,340
it was, I felt the, the, the finale, was, was,

727
00:43:11,340 --> 00:43:13,420
was. It was, it was a good, it was a good season

728
00:43:13,420 --> 00:43:17,300
finale. I mean, you know, within the construct of

729
00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:20,460
the world that they have, that they have put into

730
00:43:20,460 --> 00:43:26,530
place in the, the kangaroo court that, they have

731
00:43:26,530 --> 00:43:30,090
set up, you know, so I had to, you know, not

732
00:43:30,090 --> 00:43:32,810
quibble with things as far as from a legal process

733
00:43:32,890 --> 00:43:36,540
standpoint. But, but, but, but, but also was very

734
00:43:36,540 --> 00:43:40,610
smart too in, in that how Matt used the, the rules

735
00:43:40,610 --> 00:43:44,530
of that world to, to be able to, to play the game

736
00:43:44,530 --> 00:43:49,080
and get what he ultimately get. Karen, freed and

737
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,440
the charges dropped. So I really like, I like

738
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:52,280
these two episodes.

739
00:43:53,880 --> 00:44:01,780
>> Sarah : I thought this was better than season. still had

740
00:44:01,780 --> 00:44:04,100
engagement issues with watching these two

741
00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:06,780
episodes. If I'm being honest. I think I was more

742
00:44:06,780 --> 00:44:10,660
engaged in the seventh episode than I was in the

743
00:44:10,740 --> 00:44:15,940
episode eight. But I think also this has more to

744
00:44:15,940 --> 00:44:19,670
do with, my familiarity with the Netflix show.

745
00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:24,260
because this just at the end of the day with what

746
00:44:24,260 --> 00:44:27,550
ultimately happens, someone please correct me if

747
00:44:27,550 --> 00:44:31,430
I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure at one point in Netflix

748
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:34,150
series, Matt also ended up in jail. And I know

749
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:42,110
without a doubt Fisk was in jail. So I, I, I don't

750
00:44:42,110 --> 00:44:45,790
know. I like that ending. I like the ending of

751
00:44:45,790 --> 00:44:50,500
Matt more than I like the ending of Fisk. but

752
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:56,400
that's gonna always be an issue with any of these,

753
00:44:57,310 --> 00:45:01,830
comic book genre shows where you have your main,

754
00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:08,310
your, your main villain hero dynamic tied up into

755
00:45:08,310 --> 00:45:14,670
very specific characters. And so that villain can

756
00:45:14,670 --> 00:45:17,990
only be the big bad for so long before it grows

757
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:21,350
tiresome. So you have to kind of neutralize them

758
00:45:21,820 --> 00:45:25,660
only for them to come back and, and so it's a,

759
00:45:25,660 --> 00:45:30,230
It's a delicate balance. but still it kind of. I

760
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:36,990
mean he, he murdered how many people in the

761
00:45:36,990 --> 00:45:41,030
episode and, and yet they still are just like take

762
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:43,790
the deal, just leave the country. And it's like,

763
00:45:43,790 --> 00:45:46,690
yeah, okay, so, so we're not going to convince

764
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:50,710
convict the murderer got it. And granted the deal

765
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:53,470
was presented before he killed all those people.

766
00:45:53,710 --> 00:45:57,070
And so a part of you is just like, didn't that

767
00:45:57,070 --> 00:45:59,950
take the deal off the table when he committed mass

768
00:45:59,950 --> 00:46:01,390
murder? I don't know.

769
00:46:02,030 --> 00:46:05,330
>> Will: Yeah, you, you would think, yeah, especially given

770
00:46:05,330 --> 00:46:09,720
that, you know, Matt ends up in, in jail for all

771
00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:12,800
the things that he's done. Of course, obviously,

772
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,010
it's just. Yeah, this is just setting up the.

773
00:46:15,570 --> 00:46:18,390
Setting up the Devil and cell block, D storyline

774
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:21,440
from the comics. But But yeah, yeah, that you

775
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,320
know, so there, There were some things like I

776
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,900
said, I had to like suspend but disbelief, with

777
00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:28,900
certain aspects of, of the story. And that was

778
00:46:28,900 --> 00:46:31,900
definitely, that was definitely one of them. You

779
00:46:31,900 --> 00:46:34,620
know, not only. Not only did he like kill a bunch

780
00:46:34,620 --> 00:46:36,980
of people, I mean, let's just, let's just go

781
00:46:36,980 --> 00:46:41,150
through or he. It again. You know, his, his rap

782
00:46:41,150 --> 00:46:44,510
sheet is just. His body count is just as probably,

783
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:48,190
is super long. Not only in this episode, but you

784
00:46:48,190 --> 00:46:50,870
know, he also tried to, you know, set up the

785
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:53,770
assassin to kill the governor. you know, which,

786
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:56,380
which Matt was, you know, created the, you know,

787
00:46:56,380 --> 00:46:57,300
deal with Bullseye.

788
00:46:57,700 --> 00:46:58,580
>> Sarah : Save the day.

789
00:46:58,580 --> 00:47:00,820
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

790
00:47:00,820 --> 00:47:04,650
>> Sarah : And then got a job with Mr. Charles. I like that.

791
00:47:04,980 --> 00:47:08,560
yeah, I wish there was more. I wish we got more

792
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,720
explanation, especially because we finally see

793
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:15,920
Luke Cage at the end because Dexter then replace

794
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:21,030
replaces Luke Cage. and it, it almost just felt

795
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:27,030
like with Jessica and Luke where we, we entered

796
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:30,800
something that was going on with them and towards

797
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,000
the end of it and so we got the conclusion. But I

798
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,280
still. It's still very blurry about exactly what

799
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:43,340
happened. where they stand now and which leads to

800
00:47:43,340 --> 00:47:45,899
just the question of what we will see of them

801
00:47:45,899 --> 00:47:46,980
potentially in the future.

802
00:47:47,780 --> 00:47:51,900
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, because that was

803
00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:53,940
one of the outstanding things to me. Clearly. You

804
00:47:53,940 --> 00:47:58,250
know, we. We did get. We got things throughout the

805
00:47:58,250 --> 00:48:00,930
episodes, especially after she came back as far as

806
00:48:00,930 --> 00:48:03,210
her power sets, you know, change now that she's

807
00:48:03,210 --> 00:48:05,650
become a mother and all and all that. But you're

808
00:48:05,650 --> 00:48:08,410
right, there's. There's definitely think things

809
00:48:08,410 --> 00:48:11,409
that will. I'm sure in season three, whenever the

810
00:48:11,409 --> 00:48:14,570
defenders come back, that we'll get some more

811
00:48:15,290 --> 00:48:19,120
exploration into that, and their relationship and

812
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,400
where things are. I mean, I guess they're somewhat

813
00:48:22,220 --> 00:48:23,740
on good terms. I mean, given that.

814
00:48:25,020 --> 00:48:26,940
>> Sarah : Are we getting the Defenders?

815
00:48:28,060 --> 00:48:29,580
>> Will: I think they're setting it up. Yeah.

816
00:48:30,140 --> 00:48:34,380
>> Sarah : Okay. I, I don't know why they would. If I'm

817
00:48:34,380 --> 00:48:35,140
being, I mean, as long

818
00:48:35,140 --> 00:48:38,660
>> Will: as, Yeah, I don't know, maybe three, maybe four.

819
00:48:38,660 --> 00:48:39,420
But maybe.

820
00:48:40,300 --> 00:48:42,940
>> Sarah : I don't, I don't, I don't know why they would want

821
00:48:42,940 --> 00:48:48,810
to. Because that was, that was the, Well, arguably

822
00:48:48,890 --> 00:48:52,130
there was another show that kind of was the, the

823
00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:56,370
curtain call on the Netflix whole Defenders

824
00:48:56,370 --> 00:49:00,860
universe. But, Iron Fist. But then again, I, the

825
00:49:00,860 --> 00:49:04,260
Defenders didn't, did not help it at all.

826
00:49:04,830 --> 00:49:07,870
>> Will: no, and it didn't. That was when I did, that's

827
00:49:07,870 --> 00:49:09,550
when I did get on the train. And you, and you told

828
00:49:09,550 --> 00:49:11,750
me at the time, you're like, well, you missed, you

829
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:12,990
picked, you got, you got, you picked the wrong

830
00:49:12,990 --> 00:49:13,870
time to get on the train.

831
00:49:13,950 --> 00:49:18,170
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which, and, and now speaking

832
00:49:18,170 --> 00:49:22,470
about Defenders, ironically enough, when are we

833
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:27,230
gonna see Elektra? Oh, yeah, well, you know, we

834
00:49:27,230 --> 00:49:33,070
can't. And then immediately I'm like, no, I don't

835
00:49:33,070 --> 00:49:37,030
think we can see her because she such a big role

836
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:41,310
in the original, show that I don't think they can

837
00:49:41,390 --> 00:49:44,250
because they're, this is kind of a continuation of

838
00:49:44,250 --> 00:49:45,810
that same universe. So.

839
00:49:45,810 --> 00:49:46,930
>> Will: Yeah. Ah, it is. Yeah.

840
00:49:47,170 --> 00:49:50,660
>> Sarah : So, yeah. and other people we're not going to see

841
00:49:50,660 --> 00:49:51,660
again is Daniel.

842
00:49:52,780 --> 00:49:55,620
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. What did you think about, what did you

843
00:49:55,620 --> 00:49:57,100
think about that as far as this?

844
00:49:57,340 --> 00:49:59,540
>> Sarah : I knew it was coming because I saw an interview

845
00:49:59,540 --> 00:50:05,180
clip. I knew it was coming last week and I was so

846
00:50:05,180 --> 00:50:11,990
annoyed about it. I, I thought it could have been.

847
00:50:12,070 --> 00:50:15,350
I don't, I don't know, maybe I'm just being ultra

848
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:19,000
picky this week, in terms of death scenes or

849
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,640
something. I could, I think that could have been

850
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:28,170
done a lot better and differently. I, I, I, I do

851
00:50:28,170 --> 00:50:34,700
think it's almost. They had to, certainly with the

852
00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:38,660
decisions that were made in this episode. I would

853
00:50:38,660 --> 00:50:41,940
have been much more intrigued to see how they were

854
00:50:41,940 --> 00:50:45,660
able to get him, get him and BB out of that

855
00:50:45,660 --> 00:50:50,020
situation or at least give them some kind of

856
00:50:50,500 --> 00:50:54,700
Runway, to continue that narrative through the

857
00:50:54,700 --> 00:51:00,290
third season. I, I don't know where that puts Buck

858
00:51:01,170 --> 00:51:08,250
in a way, because I, I just, I don't know. It was

859
00:51:08,250 --> 00:51:13,610
such a surprise this season to have that dynamic

860
00:51:13,610 --> 00:51:16,850
between BB And Daniel play out. I mean, I know

861
00:51:16,850 --> 00:51:20,890
we're gonna see BB Continue to see her story, but

862
00:51:22,490 --> 00:51:28,450
I, I, I guess I'M kind of. I am a bit curious of

863
00:51:28,450 --> 00:51:34,490
what they do with her now given that that was her

864
00:51:34,490 --> 00:51:38,930
tie. And so now she's working at the paper though.

865
00:51:38,930 --> 00:51:42,700
And she she's always had a presence, but she felt

866
00:51:42,700 --> 00:51:49,250
more in it because of her dynamic with Daniel. and

867
00:51:49,250 --> 00:51:52,880
so, so now she's just going to be a regular quote

868
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,400
unquote hero. She's going to be.

869
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:03,240
>> Will: Yeah. You know, and also given that. Given, given

870
00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:07,640
that Fisk now is. Is been exiled from the city and

871
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:12,650
a lot of what her role, you know, as far as being,

872
00:52:13,050 --> 00:52:16,170
you know, Daniel being the. Being the. The her

873
00:52:16,170 --> 00:52:21,310
source for so many things and given that that has

874
00:52:21,310 --> 00:52:26,710
played out. Yeah, I'm curious. Yeah. Maybe she'll

875
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:29,030
have maybe a little bit more of a reduced role

876
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:33,570
moving forward. I mean, but I guess now given that

877
00:52:33,730 --> 00:52:36,770
Matt is. His identity is public, maybe that is

878
00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:40,170
part of what her story is going to be as far as on

879
00:52:40,170 --> 00:52:45,190
his, on his, on his arc to freedom, living with

880
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:48,740
the public, knowing who he is and you know, how

881
00:52:48,740 --> 00:52:50,740
that unfolds. I haven't read the, I haven't read

882
00:52:50,740 --> 00:52:52,700
the story in the comics as far as, you know, the

883
00:52:52,700 --> 00:52:55,260
implications of, of Matt's identity becoming

884
00:52:55,260 --> 00:52:57,180
public. So I don't know how it all plays out in

885
00:52:57,180 --> 00:52:59,540
the comic, but if folks, you know, drop it in a

886
00:52:59,540 --> 00:53:03,100
comment below, you know, just general things, not,

887
00:53:03,100 --> 00:53:06,750
not, not anything. Spoiler. But you know, that

888
00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:10,120
seems to be a place where she could have a, A

889
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:10,440
role.

890
00:53:10,820 --> 00:53:12,820
>> Sarah : Yeah, I didn't think about that, but that would

891
00:53:12,820 --> 00:53:17,780
make sense. You suddenly have a unmasked vigilante

892
00:53:17,780 --> 00:53:22,100
who is in jail, but that identity is now,

893
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:26,720
compromised and so, and just. So she's just going

894
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:28,640
to be reporting from the jail cell.

895
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,520
>> Will: Yeah. Or just, or helping to reclaim his name,

896
00:53:31,690 --> 00:53:34,930
for, you know, because I mean Fisk, even though

897
00:53:34,930 --> 00:53:38,050
Fisk is assile, we know he's going to be wherever

898
00:53:38,050 --> 00:53:45,120
he is in the, on, on that island, still pulling

899
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:46,920
the strings in the city because, you know, it's

900
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,760
your, you know, like, like you mentioned earlier,

901
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,880
you know, Buck did get shot, but you know, we

902
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,480
didn't see a body. So you. So that means he's

903
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,670
probably still with us. as far as being able to,

904
00:53:57,670 --> 00:54:02,110
you know, influence things, Mr. Charles may be

905
00:54:02,670 --> 00:54:03,710
factor. Yeah.

906
00:54:03,870 --> 00:54:06,270
>> Sarah : It's New York. There's plenty of bad guys.

907
00:54:06,590 --> 00:54:09,030
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll have, we'll have other bad

908
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:10,790
guys too. Yeah, I mean it'll probably be good to

909
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:12,870
sort of, you know, this. These two seasons have

910
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:16,630
been so much Matt And. And. And Wilson, that it'll

911
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:19,790
be good to have some other people get some oxygen.

912
00:54:20,110 --> 00:54:21,550
Hopefully not the new muse.

913
00:54:23,230 --> 00:54:24,470
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah.

914
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:25,030
>> Will: Not.

915
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:26,950
>> Sarah : Not. Not the new use.

916
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,680
>> Will: or maybe. But then again, maybe it will be

917
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,960
interesting now that since they introduced this

918
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:38,980
character of Heather, you know, she's, creation

919
00:54:38,980 --> 00:54:41,380
for the show, she wasn't into comics, so may, you

920
00:54:41,380 --> 00:54:43,100
know, maybe that. That'll be something that

921
00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:45,260
they'll explore. I don't know. We'll see.

922
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:49,580
>> Sarah : Well, that's what they have kind of led up to, but

923
00:54:49,580 --> 00:54:53,330
depending on people's reactions, and already got

924
00:54:53,330 --> 00:54:59,370
hit with a ratings drop, so. Yeah, well, they. We

925
00:54:59,370 --> 00:55:03,290
know where Matt's. Well, we know, but we don't

926
00:55:03,290 --> 00:55:06,690
know exactly what's gonna be in the future for

927
00:55:06,690 --> 00:55:10,050
Matt, Ah, other than just he's gonna be in jail.

928
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:18,850
so. But they've also left it in a way where if

929
00:55:18,850 --> 00:55:21,610
they want to move, if they want to lose some

930
00:55:21,610 --> 00:55:26,470
characters, go ahead, and bring on some new ones

931
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:32,430
and develop new dynamics. While, I mean, the past

932
00:55:32,430 --> 00:55:35,750
two seasons have been a lot about Fisk and Matt,

933
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:38,870
but they've also been toying with, like, okay,

934
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:41,790
well, what is this ensemble? Like, who are bad

935
00:55:41,790 --> 00:55:46,750
guys, who are good guys? Where can we take them in

936
00:55:46,750 --> 00:55:49,670
both of those places? And they've clearly made

937
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:52,510
decisions about who to keep and who to get rid of

938
00:55:52,830 --> 00:55:55,710
in these two episodes. I think you'll also see

939
00:55:55,710 --> 00:56:00,110
that lead into who's around in season three and

940
00:56:00,110 --> 00:56:04,570
who is suddenly absent in season three. which.

941
00:56:04,650 --> 00:56:07,370
Which I think they can. Because I think that the

942
00:56:07,370 --> 00:56:09,720
characters that were used in these past two. Two

943
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:13,720
seasons were. Were vital to the story that was

944
00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:17,800
going on between Fisk and Matt. So now it's more

945
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,920
about, like, at the end when we're seeing Matt in

946
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,480
the jail, we're also stealing a lot of these task

947
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:23,800
members.

948
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:25,640
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

949
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,800
>> Sarah : Even though they're. That the one main guy. I was

950
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,160
like, really? We couldn't have just killed him. At

951
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:35,880
the very least, man, I'm tired of him.

952
00:56:37,050 --> 00:56:40,610
>> Will: True, true. Yeah. Yeah, we. We could definitely do

953
00:56:40,610 --> 00:56:44,050
a little less. Less with him this in the upcoming

954
00:56:44,050 --> 00:56:47,550
third season. But. Yeah, but, Yeah, but given that

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they are all. All there in the prison together,

956
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and, you know, like we were saying earlier, Fisk

957
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will be influencing things from afar, so, you

958
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know, slowly finding ways to mess with Matt and

959
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while

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>> Sarah : he's in the prison, well, he is also gonna be.

961
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Whatever moves he makes. It's not just to mess

962
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with Matt or anything. because I think they've

963
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also done a good job about creating other people's

964
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vendettas towards Matt. but. But Kingpin is. The

965
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plotting has already begun. For how does he get

966
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back to his home?

967
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>> Will: Right.

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>> Sarah : to where Vanessa Rip is. so. So. And. And reclaim

969
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any sense of power. But then again, guys, come on

970
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,960
with the stakes and Fisk, because he was a mass

971
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murderer and you let him just leave the country

972
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and then he's gonna come back and I'm still gonna

973
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be like, what about the 25 people he just murdered

974
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in cold blood or death? 30 people. Jesus. Oh, my

975
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God. And. And they were. They weren't, polite or

976
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decent. That was. That was, very, painful deaths

977
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as well.

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>> Will: Yeah, they were. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : But. All right, well, we, that is a rep, granted.

980
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We're going to be in Hell's Kitchen or somewhere

981
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adjacent next week because we will be watching, to

982
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discuss not only the boys season series finale,

983
00:58:27,490 --> 00:58:31,370
but we will be watching the special Punisher

984
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presentation, that came out this week. and then.

985
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And then it'll be a wrap on Daredevil. So.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yep. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : All right, well, on that note, why don't you tell

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our listeners where they can find you.

989
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>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at,

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willmpolk, W I L L M P O L K.

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>> Sarah : And you can find me there too, at SJ Belmont.

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