The Boys are BACK | Season 5 Episodes 1-3 Reaction & Discussion

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>> Sarah : Foreign. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host,

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Sarah Belmont and with me as always is our Mr.

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Producer, Will Polk How are you doing tonight,

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Will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. Happy Thursday. Looking

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forward to doing our big Boys binge tonight.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, we'll get there. What was that?

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>> Will: Yeah, I just played her playing around with

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playing around with some new music and stuff. just

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figured I'd just drop it on you see, see what was

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your reaction or. And also their audiences

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reaction. I. So yeah, that's, that's what that was

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>> Sarah : because it was vaguely familiar but also a bit

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like nails on a chalkboard.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So, that's why I was really confused and then

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because I know you think about things that I'm

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like, I'm like, is he trying to suddenly send a

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message to me or is this. Did I miss the part of

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the Boys episode where they played this song but

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there was copyright involved so he had to like do

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something over it. I was so confused.

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>> Will: Yeah, no, I couldn't get that remix of a

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Homelander. Tell, Tell everyone to get the back.

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So, that I used earlier in the week for our, just

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our, our we're back recording our show for, for,

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for the, the week and what we're talking about.

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But yeah, I, yeah, I thought about, see if I could

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find that somewhere. But then I'll probably get a

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copyright strike. So. Yeah, yeah, not that I won't

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get one with this one, but we'll see.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, we'll see because it does, it did sound

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really familiar at the start and then it quickly

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divulged into something else which I mean, hey,

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that's, that's all the pretense we need for a big

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Boys binge.

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>> Will: Yeah, well, if you do, let me know in the comments

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if you're listening, watching this or listen to us

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on YouTube and on our socials as far as Apple and

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Spotify and the other platforms. what, what are

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your thoughts? maybe I'll drop, maybe I'll drop a

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poll or something to keep it. Drop it, you know.

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So let us know.

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>> Sarah : Let us know. all right, so we are going to talk

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about the first three episodes of the Boys final

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season, season five. and, and I think to start the

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conversation, I just have a, I have a question.

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and it's about Homelander, because we tend to

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predominantly talk about Homelander when it comes

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to this show. But what. In watching these three

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episodes, especially the first two, third one, I

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kind of, I kind of fell into the rhythm a bit.

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More. But the first two, something's. Something

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struck me as different from when I was watching

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previous seasons of the Boys. And it's been a

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while since the Homelander storyline. I'm not

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saying it wasn't interesting. My question is

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mainly, though, did. Is it played out? How many

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scenes of psychosis can they insert into an

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episode where I'm just like, didn't we see this

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like, five minutes ago or two seasons ago? And I

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understand there's an escalation and all of that,

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but I don't know. For some reason, the first two

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episodes, arguably, I thought Homelander was, to

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an extent, some of the, like, the more boring

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stuff, and I was actually more interested in what

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the actual boys were doing for the first time

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ever. Because it's just, it's just for some reason

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I'm just, I'm thinking about previous seasons and

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I'm like, yeah, we, we've, The, the milk bit, in

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my opinion, has become a bit dry.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So I just, I just, for some reason, those two. And

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then again, I say that specifically about the

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first two episodes last night when I watched the

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third one, and it, and, and I, and I know the

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difference. When he has more scenes, like in the

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third episode, he has a lot more scenes with

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specifically Soldier Boy and, and Ryan and, and

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he, he does have a few scenes with other

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characters in the first one, but we've gotten to a

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point where they have to be very, the writers have

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to be very critical about who they put in a room

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with, with Homelander, considering this is the

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final season and there's only one or two ways this

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can go, so he can only interact with so many

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people, if you catch my drift. So. But I don't

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know how you felt about, him in this, in these

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first three episodes of the final season.

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>> Will: Yeah. so I think this, overall with the first

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three episodes, so I, I have to say, for me, I

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broke up 1 and 2 instead of watching it back to

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back, I, I, So I watched him on different days

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because after. I will say, when I watched the

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first episode, one of my big takeaways for me at

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least, was I felt like it was getting back to

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their roots as far as just. Yeah, you have, you.

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We all know. I mean, hell, this, you know, with.

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Speaking of the Homelander, I mean, you know, this

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is. I'm just gonna put it out there. I mean, you

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know, the meme of Homelander and, and the show.

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And of course, the whole Jesus bit with Trump this

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week. I mean, part of it maybe, maybe it's just

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with Homelander reality and, and, and sanity,

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reality and the insanity of this show blends so

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much at this point that to me, the shock value of

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a lot of these things don't. Like, I mean, it's

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one of the strings for me where it's just like,

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okay, you know, what happens in real life and what

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happens on this show or like, you know, the satire

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of it all is getting harder and harder to,

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distinguish because it's just the headlines

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sometimes, just overtake the events of the show.

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So to get into my point about when I started

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watching the first episode and getting back to, to

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some of the other elements and to your point where

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the boys, the team was in a lot of respects more,

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was more interesting than say, last season,

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because I think last season was, got off the rails

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with, with them. So. And we talked about that.

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Yeah, yeah, I think this, I think these episodes

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really got back to really focusing more on the, on

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the character aspects and the and the arcs of

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these characters and things. Because it is the

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final season and we only have eight episodes this

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season, we're not going to waste time with just,

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just dilly dallying around about, you know, we're

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getting these characters to where they need to be

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so that when this series ends, whoever's left,

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alive at that point, we, we, we have, you know, we

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have finalized their story and, and like, for

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example, even looking about thinking about this

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third episode this week with Kimiko, and can I

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>> Sarah : just, can I just touch on something you've brought

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up before we get into like, those characters

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specifically? because I completely agree with you,

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I, I, I think that it is a return to basics, but

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it's also that the, in a way they have done a very

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good job structure, structuring the story across

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these five seasons to where now that we as viewers

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know it's the fifth season in these three

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episodes, very much the characters themselves,

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there's a lot of conversations about next. It's

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like, okay, so we do this, we kill Homelander, and

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then the question remains, what next? And if we do

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this, will others die? And, and is that okay? Or

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how can we prevent that from happening? But still

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the question remains, what is next for these?

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Like, the story itself is coming to an end. And

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you can feel that with, in terms of the vendetta

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itself that started this whole thing. So I, I

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really appreciate that because that just tells me

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that there's, there's an awareness and there's a

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purpose to how this, this Season will play out.

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And, and before we get into the boys, I do also

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want to go back to what you were talking about in

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terms of like the, the satire of Homelander,

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because I agree with you. I think, I don't think

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it's hard to distinguish. I think it's more like

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the first few seasons when this was happening, we

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were like, oh my God, Yeah. Wow. And now fifth

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season, it's like, yeah, well, what did you

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expect? Yeah, that's going to happen. I honestly,

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the, the M.O. m. The more funny thing is soldier

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boy's response to everything.

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>> Will: Oh, yes, yes.

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>> Sarah : So like the, the father son dynamics at play. The

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third episode is my favorite episode, if you

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haven't figured that out yet.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : But the father son dynamics at play in that third

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episode was just brilliant.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And just the. You're a weirdo. You couldn't get

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more weird. You're literally in a bath of milk.

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You're taking a bath in milk. Which to like, if

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you remove soldier boy from that scene, I'm just

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like, oh my God, not this again. This has like,

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come on, go to a different. Well, literally. But,

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but they inserted soldier boy and you're like, no,

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no, this is, this is brilliant because he is just

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so much in this state. But you also parallel that

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with this, this other thing that they explore

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really well in terms of he, he, he witnesses how

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much control over the government Homelander, has.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And that's power that he has never had before. And

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which, which, which in turn then Homelander

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becomes envious of the immortality that soldier

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boy has. That we learn about in these three

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episodes.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : but my God. And to push it one step further

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because you also brought up like somewhat of the

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spectacle and the, the two most compelling moments

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in these three episodes for me is the ending fight

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scene, if you want to call it that, between

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Homelander and Ryan in the third episode. And the

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ending fight scene between Homelander and a train

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in the first episode. Like, and, and I'm like,

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we've seen so many people die, throughout these,

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these five seasons. Why do these two moments stick

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out? And I know Ryan's still alive. He, he wasn't.

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Not completely dead.

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>> Will: No.

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>> Sarah : But a train. Specifically watching that first

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episode. And to end it like that. No song is

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played it. Homelander has all these powers. Right.

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>> Sarah : In that moment with a train, all he does is just

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snap his neck.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Which arguably later we even see Annie snap

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someone's neck. And like there's a, there's. You

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have all these powers, and yet you use arguably

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the most basic one to kill this other person. And

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then fast forward to the third episode where you

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get into this confrontation with your own son and,

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and you just start to physically beat him and

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which, which again, you have all these powers, but

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you're using the thing that cause. Would cause the

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most pain and punishment on your own son. So, so,

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like, that stuff is fascinating to me and I think

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really. And I will say, when I say fascinating, I

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also mean I. There were parts I, I couldn't watch

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the full scene because I just. The idea of a

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stronger man beating a little boy. And I know he's

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grown up, but I'm like, I don't. I don't like this

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at all.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that, that. I think you hit the

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nail on the head with that. With your point about

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these are superpowered beings, but, but doing it

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in the most vicious way and to inflict pain and,

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you know, and the, and, and, and, and so I think

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that's what makes it so resonant as far as, like

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the, the viciousness of Homelander, but also to

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your point too, with, With Annie and as far as

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with. With. With these. The, the duality with,

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with the. With both the boys and the Seven and,

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And Homelander particular, where each, Each step.

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With these three episodes, we see him becoming

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more, Less and less attached to his humanity.

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Homelander.

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>> Sarah : When was he attached to his humanity?

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>> Will: you know, well, I think. Well, I think that's the.

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I think that's what. Why that at the end of the

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third episode, why it just hits so much harder

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part. No pun intended. But, you know, whenever he,

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you know, there was. There were moments where,

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with Ryan, he would not. He wouldn't. He. He

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always kept himself in. Checked, you know, where,

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where, where. Because look at how, you know, how

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he would, like, treat, say, Firecracker or some

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other characters, whether he may not kill them,

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but he's just very dismissive of them, and their

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feelings or, or, you know, how he looks, how he

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treats the Deep versus Ryan, who's the one person

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he does have some empathy in. Homelander's warped

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sense of empathy he had for, you know, he had for

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him.

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>> Sarah : It's his son. It's very similar to what's been,

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drawn out with his relationship with Soldier boy.

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Because in the second episode, he literally sends

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Soulja Boy on a suicide mission. Yeah, but, but

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it's warped because it's also. I'm in need of love

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and attention, like, unwavering love and

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attention. I Can only get that from family. So I'm

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gonna wake up my father.

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>> Sarah : And then immediately send him on a suicide. I'm,

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I'm going to have this confrontation with my son

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and who's going to attack me. And even though I'm

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stronger than him, I'm so angry and upset. And

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this is probably why that scene works the way it

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does, is because child abuse occurs like in

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everyday life. And that literally is what we were

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witnessing because Ryan was being punished for,

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for acting out against his father.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And instead of like lasering him or doing

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something with any of these spectacle powers, he

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literally is just like fist to face.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. Which is interesting too, because it

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truly has that, fatherhood as control and not love

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in that respect. But also, you know, thinking back

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with, to the earlier episode when Butcher. I think

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it was episode one, when Butcher goes to see his

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old man.

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>> Sarah : I think it's.

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>> Will: Is it two?

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>> Sarah : continue and I'll, I'll figure it out.

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>> Will: Yeah, but, I go back and look at the notes, but.

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Yeah, but my point is.

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>> Sarah : You're right.

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>> Will: Yeah. but, you know, but that scene, you know, we,

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we know the Butcher was abused as a child and with

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his brother and, and you know, so, and how, and

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you know, how's that, you know, how has that, that

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abuse ended up shaping Butcher and how he, you

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know, how he reacts to things and stuff. So that,

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that cycle, that cycle of generational abuse and,

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and control. So it's just it, you know, so while

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Homelander is trying to, you know, you know, it is

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trying to shape Ryan into him, as, as, as far as

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being a little mini Homelander, you know, this is,

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you know, this might be the only way he knows how

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to do it. Right. Rightly, wrongly.

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>> Sarah : Well, I see. I don't, I don't think. Because Ryan,

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Ryan got away, Right. And he was on the run and

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like that relationship, I don't, I don't see this

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whole, this scene being about trying to shape him.

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I think it's more about this, this juxtaposition

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or this issue that Homelander continues to have,

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no matter how powerful he is, no matter how much

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like he will never experience the, the love of, of

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the love of, of his parents. And in the same

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token, and as he's figured out over the few

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seasons with Ryan, he will never be loved as a

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father. Especially as Ryan confronts him and calls

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him out and says, you, you raped my mom. Like, I

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am not, I am not the product of a loving

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relationship. Now at the same time, I could

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understand. And I know this is a stretch because

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I'm going to say the unspeakable. I can understand

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from Homelander's perspective how he probably

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doesn't view it as rape, because he does not.

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Because she probably did say yes. Not. And he

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wasn't thinking, oh, she's only saying yes because

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it's either that or I kill her. So, like, like, to

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him, consent was given. So. Yeah, yeah. So. But

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it's, It's. It's knowing that Ryan has that

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different version and that because he views it in

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that other context, he's realized he's. He's. He

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will always be the villain in Ryan's story.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. I mean. Yeah, I

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completely agree. Yeah, yeah, he is the villain in

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Ryan's story. I mean, and. And to your point

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about, the assault on, on, Brian's mother. Yeah.

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You know, it wasn't. Again, it's his, His. His

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desire for control. I mean, that's essentially

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what this is. So, And he's always seeking that,

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you know, and even going back to Ryan, and even

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though, even at this point, he's probably at his

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most dominant, you know, the cracks are. Are

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there, you know, because he's seeking that

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validation from Ryan. And then when Ryan, like you

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said, threw it back in his face about what he is,

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who. Who he really is, and when it. It just. It

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shattered him because he's just. He, you know, he.

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Again, like we've seen throughout these, These

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episodes, every time something happens to people,

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he, quote, in home, you know, he, quote, unquote,

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loves, they die or, or things happen to them. And,

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and he's like, well, why did. You know? Why? Why?

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Why? He's just, you know, he's.

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>> Sarah : He.

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>> Will: He just doesn't realize that, you know, it's. It's

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his, his actions that are. That are causing these

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things. But. But again, he's blaming everybody

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else for his failures.

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>> Sarah : Right, right. And it's also to, to go back to

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Butcher. I mean, m. They very purposely had that

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scene of him going, killing his father. And. And

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then you also were also confronted with Maverick

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Translucent Son.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And you have. And we know Huey also played a part

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in the killing of his own father. Yeah, yeah,

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there is a lot of killing, a lot of Patricia.

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Yeah. Fathers and Son. Where. Okay. I mean, I like

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how the third episode is called, the, Every One of

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You Sons of. And in my mind, I'm like, well, I

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could have named it Every One of you Sons of. This

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is really about fathers and sons. But Butcher is

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also. And I think this is why the, the stuff with

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the actual boys arguably was a little bit more

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interesting and it had a little bit more momentum

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going on in these first three episodes for me. but

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it was because Consequences because we're in the

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final season. Yeah, I didn't get a sense of we.

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We've always been on the same mission. Day one,

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kill Homelander, kill home. So wrapping up loose

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threads, that's kind of like. I don't know about.

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We were still on the priority number one. But what

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we're more seeing is these people encountering the

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consequences of seasons worth of actions with the,

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with the idea, with the righteousness that it'll

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all be worth it because we're going to save the

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world and kill Homelander. I mean, at this point,

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five seasons later, we're witnessing Butcher, who

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can't even go into the safe house of, Stan. Stan

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Edgar's safe house, because he is. He killed his

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daughter and Zoe is on a vendetta against him. And

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even, even Huey and Annie question if they could.

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If they should even be aligned with him. And yet

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he is still he. Even as, on. On the V, he is more

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and more like Homelander. People are more afraid

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of him. The moment, a moment with Frenchie that

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stuck out to me is when, Butcher was about to

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attack Kimiko. And Frenchie, who has no powers but

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understands the leverage and understands that

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Butcher is not completely insane. And it's just

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like, no, no, no, you do not touch her or I do not

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make new virus. Okay, bye. Bye. Byebye. Yeah, this

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is my one token and I shall play it. Okay.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : So, but, but my point being is that the, the

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heroes, because they're facing consequences and

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because the end is near. The. Whatever happens,

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the. This won't continue forever. M. It's kind of

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like, okay, so was it all worth it?

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And. And will it be all worth it? Because. And I

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think that's what we're really seeing happening,

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like in Annie's mind.

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>> Will: For sure. For sure. Yeah. I mean, I think she.

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She's definitely feeling that. you know, and even,

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you know, thinking about, you know, going back to

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Frenchie and Annie Rose. not French and Annie,

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Frenchie and, Kimiko. And you know, about, Because

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I know it was a very. I know you're very

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frustrated with that storyline last season, but I

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think we are getting a payoff. You know, now, you

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know, Kimiko is speaking, which I love everybody's

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reactions when they, when they See her, like, you

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can talk now, you know, but, one of the things

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that stood out to me in the third episode,

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especially as we talk about wrapping up story, is,

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you know, Frenchie. It really is, you know, like,

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what you just said really is played out there

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because, you know, Frenchie is like, does it. You

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know, when it's all. All said and done, he. He

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wants to just go to a nice island, get away from

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it all, travel the world. Kamika was like, you

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know, you know, want to start a family and put

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down roots and, you know, because. Because in her,

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Her. In her mind, this is her, I guess, validation

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or this. All of this taking out the. The

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Homelander and. And Vault is worth it because I

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will have a better world where I will feel

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comfortable bring. Bringing a child and bringing a

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family into this world because what we're doing is

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making a difference.

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>> Sarah : And. And also for the last few seasons, that is

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all she and Frenchie has known is being on the

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run. Like, yeah, you're not. You're not on

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vacations. You are literally traveling around, and

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it's just like the stability that a home and roots

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would allow. I think that's what she's craving.

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I'm. I'm a bit on the fence about Kimiko talking

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this season. However, in the third episode as. As

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I keep going back to, there was the line about,

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like, enough with the porn. Yeah, I was like. I

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was at like. But my favorite. My favorite line in

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any of these three episodes has to be. And. And

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I'm. I'm blanking on who. Who said it. But, when

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they referred to Stan Edgar, I think it was

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Mother's Milk as the black Mr. Spock, I was like,

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that is genius. I never thought about that. But,

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yes, I see it, and I can't. I can't unsee slash

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hear it now.

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>> Will: Yeah, I can't either. I can't either.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, it was so good.

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>> Will: That was. That was very good. The whole. The whole

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scene between Mother's Milking and Stan to. Again,

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it was. It was a very. That was another scene that

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stood out to me in the third episode, with, you

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know, you have two African American males and, you

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know, you have Stan, you know, you know, we

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learned about mother's Milk's father being an

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advocate and. And fighting for civil rights and

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stuff. And then they're having their inner.

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They're back and forth and, you know, stance is

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basically like, you know. Yeah, well, we, you

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know, we, you know, your dad's been all these

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hours and Stuff, you know, fighting these cases

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and keeping lawyers busy and da, da, da, da. And

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but it, but, but you know, the Mother's Milk was

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like. Well, again, to my earlier point about is

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this worth it? He, you know, he, he thinks this,

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you know, this is, you know, everybody has their

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motivations and, and so for Mother's Milk to

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continue this fight, you know, he, he, he, he does

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want to take down the, the, the evil corporation

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and stands over there already like, you know, his,

484
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his means to an end here is getting rid of

485
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,960
Homelander and helping them to do this is not

486
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,040
because of any altruistic thing. He's just trying

487
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,240
to like, you know, cl. Claim the reigns of power

488
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,240
and hold up this, this system. And you know that.

489
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,000
And you know, they talk about how, you know, in

490
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,400
stand size, we're both cogs in a will and we have

491
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,520
a role and all, you know, we, I have a, we have a

492
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,760
role in keeping this machine going. So it was just

493
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,720
very interesting just sort of seeing that, you

494
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,560
know, two people of color having, having this

495
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,600
discussion and you know, and, and from different

496
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,150
political perspectives. you know, you would think,

497
00:29:53,150 --> 00:29:55,110
you know, it gets to the, Gets to me was kind of

498
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:57,350
one of those things where all, you know, skin folk

499
00:29:57,350 --> 00:30:00,310
ain't necessary. When I was watching that sort of

500
00:30:00,310 --> 00:30:02,150
interplay, you know, happen between the two of

501
00:30:02,150 --> 00:30:02,390
them.

502
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:06,910
>> Sarah : Yeah, I, I really enjoyed this scene as well,

503
00:30:07,870 --> 00:30:11,950
because Mother's Milk for these first three

504
00:30:11,950 --> 00:30:15,910
episodes is in a very different place. Very

505
00:30:15,910 --> 00:30:17,830
different place. And you can see it both

506
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:20,790
physically and through his actions and the

507
00:30:20,790 --> 00:30:25,030
drinking and other stuff. You just like, know that

508
00:30:25,030 --> 00:30:28,910
even he is gone. Like, these characters are not

509
00:30:28,910 --> 00:30:31,470
the same as when we met them in the first season.

510
00:30:32,060 --> 00:30:32,260
>> Will: Right.

511
00:30:32,260 --> 00:30:35,180
>> Sarah : And that's really being highlighted here in the

512
00:30:35,180 --> 00:30:38,540
start of the final season. And that tells me like,

513
00:30:38,540 --> 00:30:40,620
oh, we have been on a journey.

514
00:30:40,940 --> 00:30:41,480
>> Will: Yeah.

515
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,080
>> Sarah : but to go back to this scene in particular, a few

516
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,960
things. My notes. Game of Thrones. Okay. Anybody

517
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,560
except for Will, because he hasn't in these

518
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,880
seasons, but there's a scene between Daenerys and

519
00:30:55,280 --> 00:31:00,120
Tyrion, that forever I will. Anytime someone

520
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,720
references cogs in a wheel, I go to that scene

521
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,680
because they, they're talking about the Game of

522
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,440
Thrones. They are talking about this machine and,

523
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,640
and these families. And now as Will has watched

524
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,920
House of Dragon and Night of the Seven Kingdoms.

525
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,560
Yeah, you can go 200 years and the, the cog is

526
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,270
still, still there in the machine. It doesn't

527
00:31:27,270 --> 00:31:30,270
matter which family is on top because it just

528
00:31:30,270 --> 00:31:34,430
keeps. It continues to be a game. And, so my mind

529
00:31:34,590 --> 00:31:36,750
instantly goes there. But I also,

530
00:31:38,910 --> 00:31:39,310
>> Will: I.

531
00:31:39,630 --> 00:31:46,390
>> Sarah : From my perspective in this exchange, because it's

532
00:31:46,390 --> 00:31:52,460
also coming off of this realization that now, yes,

533
00:31:52,860 --> 00:31:55,860
mother of spunk has been after Homelander.

534
00:31:55,860 --> 00:31:59,660
However, his big, like, I need to kill him is

535
00:31:59,660 --> 00:32:04,700
Soldier Boy, unless I'm mistaken. And, and so. And

536
00:32:04,700 --> 00:32:07,300
so the. This conversation occurs after the

537
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:12,720
realization that, And the explanation that Soldier

538
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:17,520
Boy was injected with V1, the. The best and most

539
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,530
preserved teen version. And no, it does not

540
00:32:21,530 --> 00:32:26,930
transfer to your children. So you embryos are

541
00:32:26,930 --> 00:32:33,050
fucked. Like, it's a supreme DNA version for a

542
00:32:33,050 --> 00:32:36,040
superhero to have. and it basically allows for

543
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,320
immortality. And so that idea, like, I've been

544
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,200
after this person who you're now telling me I

545
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,200
cannot kill, and then Stan needs to do another one

546
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:51,000
up and be like, even if you kill him, Vought still

547
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:51,560
will live.

548
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:52,440
>> Will: Yep.

549
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,200
>> Sarah : And. And so it doesn't matter which one of these

550
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,340
soups and that, you take out, Vought continues to

551
00:33:01,340 --> 00:33:05,620
live. Now, then again, and. And he does even say

552
00:33:05,620 --> 00:33:07,900
this, like, even if you take out all the soups

553
00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:13,410
with this virus, good and bad, the corporation is

554
00:33:13,410 --> 00:33:16,530
still a corporation, essentially saying our

555
00:33:16,530 --> 00:33:20,370
economy is what makes the world a horrible place.

556
00:33:22,210 --> 00:33:24,770
>> Will: It was a pretty blister critique of capitalism.

557
00:33:25,170 --> 00:33:29,220
>> Sarah : Yeah. Capitalism, is what makes the world go

558
00:33:29,220 --> 00:33:31,460
round, yet also go to hell.

559
00:33:31,780 --> 00:33:33,940
>> Will: Yep. You're just product.

560
00:33:36,340 --> 00:33:39,380
>> Sarah : Just the product, which, goes back

561
00:33:39,380 --> 00:33:40,220
>> Will: to season one, I think.

562
00:33:40,220 --> 00:33:45,500
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, product. It goes back to season one.

563
00:33:45,980 --> 00:33:50,020
We've. We see it in. In Gen V for those two

564
00:33:50,020 --> 00:33:55,230
seasons. but. But yeah, there was that scene, we

565
00:33:55,230 --> 00:33:58,630
haven't talked a lot about Annie and Huey. I. I do

566
00:33:58,630 --> 00:34:09,040
want to say, I. I guess for me, their relationship

567
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:10,800
kind of slows things down.

568
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:12,400
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, it does.

569
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,080
>> Sarah : It does. And I'm like, I don't know why, like,

570
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,320
everyone else is moving and grooving to an extent,

571
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,240
but I don't. I feel like we've seen this tango

572
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,840
before. And. But I did like it in season, in the

573
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,120
episode three, when not only she snaps the neck,

574
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:36,730
but then it's kind of like when Huey, you're. When

575
00:34:36,730 --> 00:34:40,850
you're here with me, I do the most horrible things

576
00:34:40,930 --> 00:34:44,250
because I need to protect you. So you're not

577
00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:48,580
making this. This situation, any easier for me by

578
00:34:48,580 --> 00:34:52,020
being here. You make it worse. And then the

579
00:34:52,020 --> 00:34:53,980
question is, well, then why did he help break him

580
00:34:53,980 --> 00:34:57,820
out of the freedom camps, yet you needed Frenchie.

581
00:34:58,060 --> 00:35:00,460
You really need a Frenchie. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

582
00:35:00,460 --> 00:35:03,060
Which she did make a choice. It was a very strong

583
00:35:03,060 --> 00:35:06,590
ch. Choice to. To get, Huey out There. So I feel

584
00:35:06,590 --> 00:35:09,070
like it's, it's. We're, we're gonna get some

585
00:35:09,390 --> 00:35:12,330
future really good scenes with them. it's just

586
00:35:12,330 --> 00:35:15,000
with the start was a little, rough there where I

587
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,960
was like, okay, come on, Melodramatics.

588
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,800
>> Will: Yeah, that's a good way to put it. Was very, very

589
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,560
melodramatic. And yeah, for, yeah, for me it was

590
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,290
just like, okay, we've been around this episode.

591
00:35:30,290 --> 00:35:32,500
Yeah, we've been around and around. I think to

592
00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:36,020
your point though, we did get some forward

593
00:35:36,500 --> 00:35:39,540
momentum with the story wise with her snapping

594
00:35:39,540 --> 00:35:43,780
the, the soup's neck there. and, and so of course

595
00:35:43,780 --> 00:35:47,620
the question is, is she gonna fly off to, to get

596
00:35:47,620 --> 00:35:50,870
the Marie and the, you know, some of the other

597
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:52,790
kids from Gen B? Because, you know, we've had

598
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:55,310
these, we've had for, for folks who haven't

599
00:35:55,310 --> 00:35:56,950
watched Envy, you know, they've been dropping

600
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:59,070
these names of characters like Marie and others

601
00:35:59,870 --> 00:36:07,330
or, or, or having Maverick come over, to the tie

602
00:36:07,330 --> 00:36:10,860
the two, two things to shows together, beyond, you

603
00:36:10,860 --> 00:36:13,540
know, but so is she going off to do that or is she

604
00:36:13,540 --> 00:36:16,420
just, you know, or is she going back to what some

605
00:36:16,420 --> 00:36:18,170
of the things that she was really struggling with

606
00:36:18,170 --> 00:36:19,690
before, as far as when they were talking about

607
00:36:19,690 --> 00:36:22,490
breaking Huey out of the, out of the prison to

608
00:36:22,490 --> 00:36:24,850
begin with, where, you know, maybe the safest

609
00:36:24,850 --> 00:36:27,330
place for him is to be in that be, you know, is to

610
00:36:27,330 --> 00:36:30,290
be there not or us to be apart, basically.

611
00:36:31,180 --> 00:36:33,740
because, because at that point she, since she has

612
00:36:33,740 --> 00:36:37,690
that strong protective streak for him, she, you

613
00:36:37,690 --> 00:36:40,330
know, she will literally kill him for him. But to

614
00:36:40,330 --> 00:36:41,450
that point though, well, they

615
00:36:41,450 --> 00:36:44,570
>> Sarah : will, they will kill for each other. But at the

616
00:36:44,570 --> 00:36:48,070
end of the day, Annie clearly made a choice.

617
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,080
>> Sarah : In the first episode, like to me it's Homelander

618
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,720
over even my own life and even over yours. Yeah,

619
00:36:56,720 --> 00:37:01,520
yeah, so, so. And I think she's still trying to

620
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,440
reconcile that with herself because the closer you

621
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,840
get to actually killing, like executing that,

622
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,880
knowing your own life is at a risk, are you really

623
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,400
willing to give that up?

624
00:37:14,990 --> 00:37:17,670
>> Sarah : And, or maybe she's also trying to put a distance

625
00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:21,150
because she knows like by sacrificing herself,

626
00:37:22,430 --> 00:37:23,790
Huey's left alone.

627
00:37:24,270 --> 00:37:24,830
>> Will: Yeah.

628
00:37:25,790 --> 00:37:30,390
>> Sarah : So like, I, I think, yeah, there, there's, there's

629
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:33,230
a lot. Now will they explore all that we have yet

630
00:37:33,230 --> 00:37:35,710
to see? But they got five episodes.

631
00:37:36,270 --> 00:37:38,590
>> Will: Yeah, we got five to go.

632
00:37:39,790 --> 00:37:45,100
>> Sarah : Okay. I am so glad I did not watch like really any

633
00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:47,820
previews, any trailers for this final season. I

634
00:37:47,820 --> 00:37:51,370
already knew we were gonna watch it because I was

635
00:37:51,370 --> 00:37:54,530
totally caught off guard when I saw oh, Father.

636
00:37:59,170 --> 00:38:06,330
And then I was like, yeah, He's just having the

637
00:38:06,330 --> 00:38:10,450
time of his life. He's like. I'm like, man, you

638
00:38:10,450 --> 00:38:15,070
take the man out of Hamil. He just goes right back

639
00:38:15,070 --> 00:38:20,670
in. In soup form. Just so good. I. I love seeing

640
00:38:20,670 --> 00:38:22,710
him. I love that he's married to Ashley, who's

641
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:26,190
also the vice President, and also is seen talking

642
00:38:26,190 --> 00:38:31,790
to the back of her head, for, with every.

643
00:38:33,790 --> 00:38:41,140
Everything. Friar Firecracker. Okay, so to go back

644
00:38:41,140 --> 00:38:44,660
to the third episode. Yeah, there was. Or. Or

645
00:38:44,660 --> 00:38:47,390
maybe this happened in the second episode, Storm,

646
00:38:47,810 --> 00:38:53,250
Front. M there. Did you catch this little

647
00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:57,530
something that happens when it's brought up that

648
00:38:57,530 --> 00:39:01,410
Storm Front, who Soldier Boy would have known as

649
00:39:01,410 --> 00:39:02,050
Liberty?

650
00:39:02,450 --> 00:39:02,840
>> Will: Yeah.

651
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:08,200
>> Sarah : that. That she also had V1. And. And I. I'm pretty

652
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,440
sure even Homelander clocked it, like the reaction

653
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,710
to that name Liberty. Or. Or, her. I think they

654
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:19,550
used her actual name in that instance to Soldier

655
00:39:19,550 --> 00:39:21,710
Boy. Like, they clearly hooked up.

656
00:39:22,030 --> 00:39:22,430
>> Will: Yeah.

657
00:39:22,430 --> 00:39:26,910
>> Sarah : Yeah. Fast forward to the scene where Firecracker

658
00:39:26,910 --> 00:39:29,870
and Soldier Boy are in bed together. And

659
00:39:29,870 --> 00:39:32,150
Firecracker admits, yeah, I've never actually

660
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:33,310
slept with your son.

661
00:39:33,630 --> 00:39:34,110
>> Will: Yeah,

662
00:39:36,110 --> 00:39:39,150
>> Sarah : yeah, yeah. But he has definitely slept with

663
00:39:39,150 --> 00:39:43,470
someone you have slept with. So I don't think

664
00:39:43,470 --> 00:39:46,980
we're out of this. but. But I. That that scene is

665
00:39:46,980 --> 00:39:48,740
probably one of my favorite scenes from

666
00:39:48,740 --> 00:39:52,500
Firecracker because she. She admits never sleeping

667
00:39:52,990 --> 00:39:58,630
to Soldier Boy, but she also kind of explains to

668
00:39:58,630 --> 00:40:05,310
him his own relationship to his son. Because for.

669
00:40:05,310 --> 00:40:08,390
For an entire episode, it's just like, you are the

670
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:12,710
weirdest person on the planet and yet. And. And

671
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:15,710
you. And I think it's also him processing the fact

672
00:40:15,710 --> 00:40:19,390
that his own son sent him on that suicide mission

673
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,240
and, and then reconciling that with like, oh, he

674
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:27,000
doesn't care about me. Oh, no, actually, he cares

675
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:33,420
a lot about you. but he. He's all screwed up. And,

676
00:40:33,740 --> 00:40:38,020
and so I, I just. That it was a really interesting

677
00:40:38,020 --> 00:40:45,390
moment because Firecracker, we haven't seen. We

678
00:40:45,390 --> 00:40:49,510
haven't been able to see a lot more of her,

679
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:55,600
actually understanding what's really going on.

680
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:57,520
>> Will: Yeah, she.

681
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,040
>> Sarah : If that makes sense.

682
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:05,360
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. I think is. You know, again, try not

683
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,120
to, like, do too many parallels to the real world,

684
00:41:10,490 --> 00:41:13,770
but I mean, but it is sort of like in the. In the.

685
00:41:13,770 --> 00:41:16,290
In the. What we're seeing happen in the. In the

686
00:41:16,290 --> 00:41:20,770
manga movement. here with very probably, I think

687
00:41:20,770 --> 00:41:25,410
the. The analog for me for Firecracker is Marjorie

688
00:41:25,410 --> 00:41:28,490
Taylor Greene. Her and her separation from Trump.

689
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:34,450
And I see Firecracker in that, in that somewhat in

690
00:41:34,450 --> 00:41:37,850
that role where she's a true believer. All, you

691
00:41:37,850 --> 00:41:42,770
know, and, and had a. Had was doing the thing as

692
00:41:42,770 --> 00:41:45,050
far as being a messenger and all that kind of

693
00:41:45,050 --> 00:41:47,570
stuff. And you know, and she, you know, and you

694
00:41:47,570 --> 00:41:51,870
know, all these, all these soups in, in vault, all

695
00:41:51,870 --> 00:41:56,550
want power and, and, and, and you know, you know,

696
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:59,770
their various motivations for, you know, climbing

697
00:41:59,770 --> 00:42:02,250
the, climbing a corporate ladder. But you know, I

698
00:42:02,250 --> 00:42:04,250
think Firecracker is starting to, you know, see

699
00:42:04,250 --> 00:42:10,690
the realization that again, you know, she's just

700
00:42:10,690 --> 00:42:14,250
a, she's just a she. She's not going to get what

701
00:42:14,250 --> 00:42:19,970
she wants. And, and, and Homelander is just

702
00:42:19,970 --> 00:42:21,890
basically like, you know, treat, you know, like I

703
00:42:21,890 --> 00:42:24,410
said earlier, this treats her like, like dirt. You

704
00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:26,810
know, especially now that her usefulness is no

705
00:42:26,810 --> 00:42:30,140
longer there for him because she can't produce

706
00:42:30,140 --> 00:42:31,810
the, you know, she can't produce the, all the

707
00:42:31,810 --> 00:42:35,250
breast milk for him. So, you know, he's used her

708
00:42:35,250 --> 00:42:38,170
up and he just spit her out. And so now I think

709
00:42:38,170 --> 00:42:42,130
she's like realizing that. So, you know, so. But

710
00:42:42,130 --> 00:42:44,730
you're right. I mean, the conversation that, that

711
00:42:44,730 --> 00:42:47,760
she and Storm and Soldier Boy have there, after

712
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,760
they hook up is, is very, very illuminating for,

713
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,780
for both characters. you know, because, you know,

714
00:42:52,780 --> 00:42:57,990
gets. He's, you know, we definitely, you know,

715
00:42:58,070 --> 00:43:00,150
Soldier board, like admits why he slept with her.

716
00:43:00,790 --> 00:43:03,110
I just wanted to like, you know, with his head.

717
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:06,910
And, and, and, and so I thought that was a really

718
00:43:06,910 --> 00:43:08,950
good, that that was another, another very

719
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:10,150
revealing scene as well.

720
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:15,950
>> Sarah : Yeah, I, I just, I think that she to an extent has

721
00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:19,600
always understood the, the political game of Vox.

722
00:43:20,310 --> 00:43:20,510
>> Will: Yeah.

723
00:43:20,510 --> 00:43:23,310
>> Sarah : and she's still playing it. She's very similar to

724
00:43:23,310 --> 00:43:28,590
Ashley. I, for me, the scene stood out because

725
00:43:31,470 --> 00:43:35,469
it's, we've had this, this scene is the only scene

726
00:43:35,469 --> 00:43:39,470
I recall where she isn't doing the satire bit.

727
00:43:39,870 --> 00:43:43,830
Yeah, she isn't playing that part of us. She's

728
00:43:43,830 --> 00:43:50,520
actually in that moment just saying soup to soup,

729
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,440
person to person. This is actually how your son

730
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,960
views you and this is how your son views me. And

731
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:02,240
this is the reality of who we are. Not as supes,

732
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:04,200
but as quote, unquote, people.

733
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:04,950
>> Will: People.

734
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:07,430
>> Sarah : you could, if you could qualify Homelander as a

735
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:09,430
person. I don't know, it's still debatable.

736
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:12,990
>> Will: But, but one thing too, about this weirdness

737
00:44:12,990 --> 00:44:16,150
dynamic that Soldier, Boy and Liberty and

738
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:19,190
Homelander, as far as this triangle, you know,

739
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:22,470
Soldier Boy still does, does not know that she was

740
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:24,790
a Nazi. You know, when they hooked up because, you

741
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:26,630
know, she, you know, so. Because Storm Front was,

742
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:28,420
it was, you know, of course he knows her about

743
00:44:28,420 --> 00:44:31,610
Liberty. And of course Liberty was, Vaught, the OG

744
00:44:31,610 --> 00:44:33,380
Vaught, that was, it was his wife.

745
00:44:34,270 --> 00:44:34,990
>> Sarah : Right, right.

746
00:44:35,470 --> 00:44:38,070
>> Will: Yeah. So Homelander, of course, is what, you know,

747
00:44:38,070 --> 00:44:42,510
he did discover that she, you know, who she

748
00:44:42,510 --> 00:44:46,170
really. Who she. Who she really is. and it was

749
00:44:46,170 --> 00:44:48,420
kind of repulsed by it, which, is. Which was very

750
00:44:48,420 --> 00:44:51,680
interesting because, but ironically, you know, he

751
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,040
was trying to, you know, he was hopeful that Ryan

752
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,600
was going to like, do the equivalent of the, of

753
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,110
the Hitler Youth, you know, with as far as, you

754
00:45:01,110 --> 00:45:03,590
know, being a messenger for, for the, for the

755
00:45:03,590 --> 00:45:06,190
young people, to, you know, create the legions of

756
00:45:06,510 --> 00:45:09,630
young supes to, to take on, you know, the, the

757
00:45:11,870 --> 00:45:15,260
starlighters of the world. So, to me that was just

758
00:45:15,260 --> 00:45:18,420
another, you know, just a very interesting thing

759
00:45:18,580 --> 00:45:20,660
with, with their dynamic. With the dynamic there,

760
00:45:20,660 --> 00:45:22,780
given what Homelander knows about, truly about

761
00:45:22,780 --> 00:45:27,260
Stormfront and what, what about. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

762
00:45:27,260 --> 00:45:29,430
well, especially given that this is setting up for

763
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:31,030
the, you know, of course, the, the spin off show

764
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:32,390
that they're going to have with Soldier Boy

765
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:35,160
Liberty and Yeah, as well. So.

766
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,680
>> Sarah : Yeah, exactly. That's what I was gonna mention is

767
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,880
that it all. That all plays into that. I mean,

768
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,240
we've been so positive. So of course I need to

769
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:51,420
bring up the negative. like everything that we've

770
00:45:51,420 --> 00:45:55,630
been talking about thus far. Brilliant. Makes a

771
00:45:55,630 --> 00:45:59,270
lot of sense now as we talk about clear setup for

772
00:45:59,270 --> 00:46:04,550
the spin off episode. And then also to what you

773
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:07,630
brought up earlier with the Gen V of it all is

774
00:46:07,790 --> 00:46:10,630
characters Reed mentioned. Have, have they been

775
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:13,710
renewed for season three? No, they have not. I

776
00:46:13,710 --> 00:46:18,430
don't think if we do, if we are to get a season

777
00:46:18,430 --> 00:46:22,150
three of Gen V, the renewal won't come until after

778
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:24,390
the end of season five. And I think they're doing

779
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:27,910
that on purpose because. Because in a shared,

780
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,200
shared universe, it's really easy to lose stakes

781
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:37,400
when you have characters not appear. So I, so, so

782
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,160
that's my thoughts on that. But at the same time

783
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,440
something that I just bothered me, especially in

784
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,430
the first two episodes with all of the freaking

785
00:46:48,430 --> 00:46:52,350
exposition. I felt like in the second episode we

786
00:46:52,350 --> 00:46:57,150
were explained what V1 was at least five times and

787
00:46:57,150 --> 00:47:01,830
I'm like, I get it. Why? Because, and it. And, and

788
00:47:01,830 --> 00:47:04,630
it felt like that because we had to go through

789
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:07,630
different scenes of different characters learning

790
00:47:07,630 --> 00:47:12,390
about it and it just, it kind of. Yeah, it carried

791
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:16,220
on a bit and I was like, okay, okay, yeah, yeah.

792
00:47:16,460 --> 00:47:17,340
So, you know.

793
00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:20,340
>> Will: Yeah, I agree with you. Well, but the V. The V is

794
00:47:20,340 --> 00:47:22,340
always the McGuffin each season because you know,

795
00:47:22,340 --> 00:47:26,540
the first, you know, every season we, you know,

796
00:47:26,540 --> 00:47:28,900
we, we get some, you know, we, we, you know, the

797
00:47:28,900 --> 00:47:31,300
first few couple we learned that soups aren't

798
00:47:31,300 --> 00:47:34,940
born, they were manufactured with the V. Then,

799
00:47:35,340 --> 00:47:39,540
then we had Huey and, and Butcher doing a temp

800
00:47:39,540 --> 00:47:42,990
voice for what that was that season three. Yeah.

801
00:47:42,990 --> 00:47:44,750
And then of course, yeah. Then Butcher, you know,

802
00:47:44,750 --> 00:47:47,800
saw the But you know, then we learn about the V,

803
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,240
the, the virus, you know, in Gen V and carried

804
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:56,120
over to, you know, season four. So now we got the

805
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,000
ogv. So it's just, that's just the. I think that's

806
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,240
just a Big MacGuffin for, for that. That's there

807
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,520
that they need to, you know, that work. But to

808
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,000
your point though, it does lead to a lot of

809
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:08,530
exposition.

810
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:16,100
>> Sarah : It leads to a lot of exposition. first episode, it

811
00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:18,340
wasn't really exposition but we had to do all the

812
00:48:18,340 --> 00:48:21,700
check ins and check ins with where people were and

813
00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:23,980
what was happening and a reminder of what has

814
00:48:23,980 --> 00:48:29,720
happened. Yeah. So but yeah, the more we talk

815
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:34,560
about it though, the more I, I think this is a

816
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:37,840
strong start to a final season. And I just keep

817
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,620
harping on the fact that this the final season

818
00:48:40,700 --> 00:48:45,020
because it is very evident in how these first

819
00:48:45,020 --> 00:48:49,620
three episodes are written and not in a. Oh my

820
00:48:49,620 --> 00:48:54,140
God, you are telegraph. It's not in an annoying

821
00:48:54,220 --> 00:48:59,060
way. It's in a very much like, okay, this is, this

822
00:48:59,060 --> 00:49:04,250
is nuanced. it feels as though things are being

823
00:49:04,250 --> 00:49:06,610
brought up not just for the sake of it, but

824
00:49:06,610 --> 00:49:10,220
because no things are built. Have built up to this

825
00:49:10,220 --> 00:49:14,500
moment. And now is the time when consequences will

826
00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:17,820
be faced for both the, the bad characters and the

827
00:49:17,820 --> 00:49:21,940
good characters. Because at the end of this

828
00:49:22,020 --> 00:49:26,340
chapter, like this is it. And what does that mean?

829
00:49:26,420 --> 00:49:32,700
And so it's a very, it's a very interesting way to

830
00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:35,240
set up a final season that I haven't seen seen in

831
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:37,200
a, in a. In a long time.

832
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:38,080
>> Will: Yeah.

833
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,510
>> Sarah : Or has it resonated quite like this in, in a

834
00:49:42,510 --> 00:49:42,790
while?

835
00:49:43,830 --> 00:49:46,790
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I mean I think the writers

836
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:50,230
room definitely, as we talked about before, knew

837
00:49:50,310 --> 00:49:51,990
they, they understood the assignment.

838
00:49:52,980 --> 00:49:55,700
>> Will: They definitely. Yeah. I mean granted we still

839
00:49:55,700 --> 00:49:57,580
have five episodes and it can completely go off

840
00:49:57,580 --> 00:50:00,740
the rails and even, I mean another meta thing

841
00:50:00,740 --> 00:50:02,620
about this show, whenever Butcher and the worm

842
00:50:02,620 --> 00:50:04,580
were talking because Butcher, you know, the worm

843
00:50:04,580 --> 00:50:07,690
was like a was, was a former writer and he had,

844
00:50:08,010 --> 00:50:10,570
and he had the in. In the meta comment about

845
00:50:10,730 --> 00:50:13,370
finales not like, you know, being satisfied.

846
00:50:14,490 --> 00:50:18,610
>> Sarah : Yeah. And. And you know what? I, I don't think

847
00:50:18,610 --> 00:50:22,490
I've ever really made this comment before and I

848
00:50:22,490 --> 00:50:23,970
don't know why I haven't thought about it before

849
00:50:23,970 --> 00:50:27,610
because we all know Kripke is man behind

850
00:50:27,610 --> 00:50:28,490
Supernatural.

851
00:50:28,650 --> 00:50:29,210
>> Will: Yep.

852
00:50:29,700 --> 00:50:33,940
>> Sarah : Supernatural. Yes, it has a ton of episodes, but

853
00:50:34,260 --> 00:50:38,180
there are, there is. They have some very satire

854
00:50:38,180 --> 00:50:41,580
esque episodes within that season to the point

855
00:50:41,580 --> 00:50:46,500
where the leads, Jared and Jensen literally played

856
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:47,220
themselves.

857
00:50:47,940 --> 00:50:48,380
>> Will: Yeah.

858
00:50:48,380 --> 00:50:52,780
>> Sarah : Because like, like there is. So I don't know why

859
00:50:52,780 --> 00:50:55,380
it's just dawning on me, like, yeah, this show

860
00:50:55,380 --> 00:50:58,310
does satire beautifully. I'm like, well, the

861
00:50:58,310 --> 00:51:03,990
precursor was all there and Supernatural, but and

862
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:09,550
also, to go back to like not bringing up things

863
00:51:09,550 --> 00:51:12,710
for the sake of it. Just when you thought that,

864
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:17,190
oh, we're never gonna hear about Flight 37 again.

865
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:20,950
Nope. The very first episode that is brought up

866
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:25,490
again because. And it, and it's interesting the

867
00:51:25,490 --> 00:51:28,090
more I think about that moment. I remember talking

868
00:51:28,090 --> 00:51:30,730
with you about the first season and that episode

869
00:51:30,730 --> 00:51:34,530
occurring and us just being like, wow, that this

870
00:51:34,530 --> 00:51:37,530
is different. And then. Yeah, throughout the

871
00:51:37,530 --> 00:51:40,650
seasons it's been, we've gone back to that same.

872
00:51:40,650 --> 00:51:44,770
Well, but even in the fifth season, they bring it

873
00:51:44,770 --> 00:51:46,090
up in the best way.

874
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:52,080
>> Sarah : Because it, it hit so hard initially and set the

875
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:57,160
tone for so much of what this show is that to go

876
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,720
back to it and back to it and back to it just

877
00:51:59,720 --> 00:52:05,500
means it, it hit hard for a reason. and, and we

878
00:52:05,500 --> 00:52:08,220
got on board with the show as a result of that for

879
00:52:08,220 --> 00:52:14,850
a reason. So. All right, well, I think that is, it

880
00:52:14,850 --> 00:52:18,070
for us tonight with the big boys binge. We will

881
00:52:18,070 --> 00:52:21,630
continue our discussion next week and we will also

882
00:52:22,350 --> 00:52:25,470
be returning to Hell's Kitchen next week.

883
00:52:25,790 --> 00:52:26,590
>> Will: Yes we will.

884
00:52:27,390 --> 00:52:29,940
>> Sarah : Yes we will. so Will, why don't you tell our

885
00:52:29,940 --> 00:52:31,460
listeners where they can find you?

886
00:52:31,860 --> 00:52:34,460
>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at, Will

887
00:52:34,460 --> 00:52:38,230
and Poke. W I, L L M M P O L K. And you can

888
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:41,310
>> Sarah : find me there too at SJ Belmont sjbl M O N T.

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