Firecracker Gets Her One Shot | The Boys Season 5 Ep 5 & Daredevil Born Again S2 E3-4 Review

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Will: Foreign.

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Sarah : Nerds. This is seen in Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah

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Belmont, and with me, as always, is there Mr.

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Producer, Will Polk How are you doing tonight,

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Will.

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Will: Doing very well, Sarah How you doing this evening?

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Sarah : I'm doing good. Happy last day of April.

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Will: Yes, it is April 30th. here we are. May. This year

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is like zipping by it. I don't know if it's

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because we have more content. It's just. Or it's

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just life itself is just, you know, speeding up.

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But yeah, we are here. May.

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Sarah : I also think that this year we've managed to

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record on either the last day or the, like, the

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second to last day of each month.

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Will: I think we have. You are, you are correct.

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Sarah : Yeah, yeah, we've just. That's how the calendar

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has fallen with our switches between twos or

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Mondays, Tuesdays and Thursdays. So. And I think

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we even had a Wednesday in there. So.

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Will: We did have a Wednesday in there. Yeah.

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Sarah : Yeah, we're, we're definitely in 2026. Clos in the

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month with a episode. and we'll see if that

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continues. So to kick things off before we get

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into the shows, we have news to talk about. Each

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show. The first news is adjacent news. and it's.

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They came out with the fact that they did go

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through with the cancellation of Gen V, which, not

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surprised, but also kind of more like, did you

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just show your hand for The Boys Season 5 finale?

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Did you just show your hand? so that's, that's

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where my, my thoughts are because I made a

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prediction a few weeks ago that they were not

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going to announce that until after the fact just

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because of stakes, but that got thrown out the

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window.

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Will: Yeah, I, I, As soon as I saw the news, I

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immediately thought about our conversation with

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respect to, to that and, and at first I was

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disappointed because of our conversation about

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would that show the hand. But then of course, as

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part of the announcement that they were canceling

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the show, the showrunners didn't note that, these

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characters will, will show up in not only season

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five of the Boys, but also in the other vcu,

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projects, the Boys universe projects moving

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forward. Because I know there's Vault Rising

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that's coming up and then there's the Boys Mexico.

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So, so, we, we are going to get these characters

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moving forward. And it's also thought about it

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too, and thinking about this how, like I think you

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used the word adjacent whenever you were setting

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things up. Genv M has been in many ways very

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adjacent to the Boys obviously for the obvious

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reasons because it is set in universe. But there

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is thinking back now and as we see with this virus

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there is a lot of overlap between the stories.

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Yes, genv has his own standalone story, the boy

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has his own standalone story but where they

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overset intersect and. And it's also spoiler alert

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if you haven't seen the season two of Gen V how

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that's how where things are left with those

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characters, they can't go back to the university.

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So.

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Sarah : No, no, the university is played out within those

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two seasons.

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Will: Right.

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Sarah : I. I just think that Gen V is arguably one of the

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most perfect spin offs that we've seen on

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television because it didn't. It felt very in

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universe yet also separate story. And also it. Yes

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there was crossover and the story things that

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occurred in at The university affected the boys

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universe the following season and vice versa

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however. So. So that's where I think the. Well

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that's not surprising that their cancel of the

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cancellation because. Because I think in the

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trajectory that we're headed I don't think that

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there is a. With those characters a continuation

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of the story that they started because they

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started a story in this universe that arguably is

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coming to an end in one way or another.

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Will: Yes.

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Sarah : So now that you've brought up the fact that they

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will be in the other spin offs and the other

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prequel or stories that are being told in this

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universe down the line, it makes sense because

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then it's like yeah, we'll see them but this

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world, it'll be like chapter two for everyone. So.

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Will: Exactly.

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Sarah : yeah, so it's. It's bittersweet news. But I also

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just Crypt or Yeah, Kripke is very good with

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bringing characters back which we see in the

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episode tonight. So.

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Will: Yeah, we definitely did see that. Yeah. Yeah. And

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also too. Just one last point too. I mean at first

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the ratings too because I know Crypt did note

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season three hinged on how. What the viewership

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numbers look like for season two. but I think to

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your point it probably is more They. They've

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carried this story as far as it can with. With in

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the construct that in this universe. And yeah. And

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it just makes sense to just bring it to a close

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and. And they show up in other places.

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Sarah : Right. And speaking about viewership, you're going

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to tell me about a drop in the season to daredevil

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viewership.

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Will: Y. Yeah. So this was a story that dropped earlier

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this week. it was in ComicBook.com and appeared in

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other places. But of course these streamers are

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very opaque when it comes to their, their

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viewership numbers. But what we do know from a

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company that called Luminate Data and I put a

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little screenshot here up for the folks who are

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watching us on, on video YouTube and I'll read it

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out for our audio listeners. But Daredevil Born

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Again has basically accumulated over about

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4,000,515,000 season views. 10 thousand 86 hours

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watched. 10,086,000 867,000 hours watched and 65,

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6,652 million minutes watched. Season one and

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basically season and this is tracking the first

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five weeks of the show. season one tracked across

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the same five week window had around 808,357,000

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season views, 24 million hours watched and gosh,

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1,440,000,000 minutes watched. so the, the article

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notes that between season two and season one

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represented a decline of approximately 4046 in

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total view the views where it was declined and

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over 8054 in total hours watched. So bottom line

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is about half of the audience is coming back to

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watch season two after, after season one. So what

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are your thoughts as far as why that's happening?

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Sarah : there's so many different factors at play but I

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think arguably the biggest reason is the same

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reason why it took us a few weeks before we could

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get around to Daredevil and Spoiler alert or, or

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just a bit behind the scenes for our listeners.

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Originally we were not going to talk about

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Daredevil right now. We were going to talk about

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Invincible and watch that. But then it came out,

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the announcement with the the Punisher special

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presentation and given the knowing Frank's gonna

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be in the new Spider man movie, we just were like

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no, we need to get this out of the way in

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preparation for the new Spider M Man movie in

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July. So it made more sense. But I think a lot of

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people had it before that Spider man and based on

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everything you just read, even after are still

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sour about the way season one ended. Season one

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finale is not good. It's just not, it is not a

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good finale. it's very awkward and, and it's

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interesting because season one as we were talking

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about it last week starts off strong. But then

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slowly it just, it gets, it takes on arguably

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almost more than it can chew and it just becomes a

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bit played out and, and it loses moment momentum

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overall and it just. The, it just is clumsy when

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the, when the bad guy gets everything he wants and

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you're like, okay. so, yeah, I'm, I'm not

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surprised that they're seeing a drop off in season

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two. I didn't know what they were expecting, but

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looking at this as, ah, preparation for Spider

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bigger drop off had, had there like been no

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overlap with Spider Man. Because I think, the

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people who are watching now or who started when it

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them are on the. More like, well, this is just

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prep work for the big event that is Spider Man.

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Will: Yeah, I think, I think that's a big factor. also,

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I mean this, we, there's the overlap because as we

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amount of content that's coming out here in, in

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the spring of. We have. March was packed. We had

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the boys, we had Daredevil, and we had Invincible.

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know we're talking about Daredevil and the boys

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tonight, but even though I haven't been like

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watching, watching Invincible, just my social

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media feed has just been. And it seems like the

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there's that, but also I think you're right. I

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think that the fact that season one basically was

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like almost two different shows because it was, it

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was cobbled together from, things that were shot

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with one creative crew. Disney went back, redid

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everything, brought another creative crew in, but

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they still had all that footage. So they, they

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made a Frankenstein of a season one. And we've

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talked about that, you know, whenever we reviewed

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it, before. So I think that definitely did leave a

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bad taste in people's mouth, you know. And then

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also I think, I think the shadow of the Netflix

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show also hovers over it. And so

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Sarah : I almost want to put a pin in this and save it for

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when we get into Daredevil.

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Will: Yeah, we can. Yeah, we can.

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Sarah : just because, everything you just said ties into

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some of my reactions to, the, the episodes that we

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Will: we can do that.

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Sarah : So, so we're gonna put a pin into the Daredevil

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for right now and continue our discussion about

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the boys. Season 5, episode 5 One Shots. Tonight

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at 9, 8 Central, a Vought new special report.

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Treason and Tinseltown. Find out which of your

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favorite Hollywood stars are rumored to be

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starlighters. So we're gonna take this one, one

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shot at a time and kick things off with, of

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course, fire. Firecracker. Who. Hi. You know, her

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one shot. Here's what stood out to me the most

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about it was it. And I think I had this kind of,

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I, I said something in a previous discussion about

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not really knowing. Getting much death out of who

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she is. Right. And then we learn about her and

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her, religious background and, and it makes so

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much sense because we do understand she's country,

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she's Southern, she's from the Bible Belt, she,

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so, so this whole thing. But I also really

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appreciated because for the five seasons, anyone

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working for Vaughn, anyone not working for Vaught

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is terrified of Homelander. Very understood about

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that. But the way this conflict got presented with

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her in the idea that this was her idea, she, she

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has to do this and follow through with this. He is

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God.

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Will: Yeah.

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Sarah : even though she tried to get him to say he is

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prophet and, and, and inadvertently destroy a

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church who practically raised her.

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Will: Yeah.

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Sarah : And, and I just, I thought the moral conflict was

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so good and, just so well realized, especially at

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that climactic moment when she's giving that

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report. And, you. And I think they did her makeup

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differently. That is something else that stood out

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to me because I started for a lot of this. It's

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very evident that the Soups are in makeup and

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costume. Right, right. But nothing felt more

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evident than when I was watching it last night and

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I was just like, I can see her wrinkles.

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Will: Yeah.

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Sarah : Like, I don't, I don't know if I should be able

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so that, like, the makeup was noticeable because

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you are seeing cracks in, in her, her, allegiance

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to Homelander.

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Will: Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. That's a very

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good point. That, that, that visually they, they,

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they, they did that change with the makeup

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because, you know, especially one. What to your

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point, it was just so stark whenever she was

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having the pre, the conversation with the reverend

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and seeing her out of costume. But then even

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whenever, whenever she had that moment on, on the

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show. and, and, and her, her makeup job did look

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different and the strain and, and all, it really.

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Sarah : And, and what are some of your thoughts about

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firecrackers?

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Will: Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, the, yeah, the, the

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definition, the conflict that she was having

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internally as far as her religious upbringing and

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what, what she's dealing with there at, Vaught and

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the story as far as, like, you Said trying to get

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Homelander like, well, let's walk back this God

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thing a bit. But no, no, he's definitely not doing

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so. But also something that I touched on about

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Firecracker earlier, from earlier in the season

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two came back. And also just all of these

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characters, I know we're going to take each one

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shot one at a time, but with, with, with those

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people, with the seven that's, and, and, And Vault

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employees who are directly in, let's just say in

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the suite, the executive suite with Homer. All,

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all of them have a, like, everyone has a story as

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far as what their, what they're compromising or

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what they're giving up of themselves to like, have

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this proximity to power. And it talked about

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Firecracker before. And even though I think she's

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not dumb, you know, people, you know, because she

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is Southern and people, she, she has. She isn't

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intelligent at sister stage. No. But at the same

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time, she definitely has some, some country

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smarts, whatever you want to call it.

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Sarah : I don't think most people are as intelligent in

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this universe as Sister Sage.

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Will: Yeah, true, true. But, you know, but you get where

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I'm, you get what I'm saying?

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Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Will: She knows what she wants. She knows that, you

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know, she definitely wants power. She is, you

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know, she will do the things that she needs to do

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to, like, get it. But what was so fascinating to

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me, and I'm trying, I'm gonna try not my best not

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to like, do analogs to the real world, but, but,

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but you kind of can't help but do it, because this

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is so, it's just, this is so there. But, but

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seeing how, when her usefulness ended and, and how

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Homelander just basically just, you know,

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whenever, whenever she, Whenever he, Whenever he

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sensed the doubt and ah, with her and that, you

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know, he basically, you know, we all saw it

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coming. He just like, bas. He used her up and he

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just basically impelled her because, you know, he

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literally killed her because she's, she's not of

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no use to him. And we see that with people in

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power. A lot of times everyone, you know, it's all

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about that, that, that, that that person in power,

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everything else around them is expendable and once

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their usefulness is gone, they'll just toss them

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away. And that's what happened to her.

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Sarah : So I disagree, I disagree, on the sense that her

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usefulness. Because at the start of this season, I

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think there's a scene, where, where we're told

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that her milks run dry. Okay. There's no more,

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there's no more suckling, right? And so there's

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already tension there. But then fast forward like

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an episode and a half maybe. And then she's given

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this new mission where to build this marketing

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campaign and to be the spokesman. I mean, he, he

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didn't, he didn't kill her then, or push her out

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to past her then because like I, I can no longer

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use your titties. or you are no longer that mother

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figure I am missing in my life. So, so then we're

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down this, this new channel where she's, she has

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this new usefulness. Like this is all her. She.

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She did this, she created the campaign and

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everything. And you see it at the beginning of the

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episode and that we see time and time again

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throughout the episode that she, she convinces him

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that this is the way. And there, There's a. Almost

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a. I am back in my rightful place with you. And

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and then what I did not see coming was the pillow

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talk between coming back to haunt her and she

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didn't either. And, and I thought that was really

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interesting and really clever with the writers to

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Because we've seen them have that kind of

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conversation before, but we've never seen soldier

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boy actually have a father son moment, if you call

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it that,

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Will: where,

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Sarah : which, which leads into him understanding, like

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him getting insight into how she really views him.

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And and then, even then he wasn't gonna kill her.

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Like he actually just said, pack your things and

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go. It was when she tried to weasel her way back.

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That's when it went too far for him and then he

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killed her. So I, that's where I disagree because

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his first instinct wasn't to kill her. It. It was

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just to send her away and be like, I'm done with

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you. Bye. Bye. and. And I thought it was really

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interesting that her convincing. Because she uses,

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she uses the the same vernacular that she does

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almost during the news report to persuade him.

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And, and then he just, he's just like, nope. And

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it's, It's a very, It's a very interesting death

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because we have not had nearly as much time as

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with her as we did with a train. And she, it's not

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like she was suddenly on the good time, but

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because for. For a good hunk of the episode we saw

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that there's actually humanity in her and we

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understood where she was coming from and we

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started to see the turn. I think her death was

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more empathetic for viewers than if, if we didn't

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have that it would have just been like, okay,

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you've just, you've killed another one of your

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minions.

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Will: Yeah, see, I don't see. I don't think she was

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turning. I mean, I think it was, I think it was, I

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think to your point, I'm glad you brought up the

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fact that she was trying to grovel and do all the,

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do all the things that. To try to get back into

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his good graces.

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Sarah : And that is when I say turning, I mean doubt.

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Yeah, yeah, it's. Whatever. This very similar. I

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think a similar thing that we saw Annie go through

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in season one was starting to happen with her,

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where suddenly you realize the person you've been

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quote, unquote, worshiping, who you idolize, like

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you. And then you are like you're suddenly a

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threat or they're a threat to you or the people

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you love.

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Will: Yeah, see, I don't see, I don't see Firecracker

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that way though, as that's, that's the difference,

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I think, between her and Annie. And I think, you

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know, they did sort of set that up whenever they

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first introduced these characters and they had the

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whole back, you know, the whole backstory with

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them with the, competitions and stuff. So I think

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at the end of the day. Yeah, and you're right. I

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mean, it was fear. And and, and, and so I think

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Firecracker was really just groveling there,

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trying to like. Because, you know, because she,

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she does fear Homelander. and, and, and, and you

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know, and in, you know, because she, she

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Sarah : arguably doesn't have anywhere else to go.

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Will: She has nowhere else to go. Exactly.

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Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, she, she doesn't have any. It's made

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very clear like she's not. And I think that's what

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a lot of the people who end up at Vought at the

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end of the day, they don't have family. So Vought

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becomes their family. And then you realize there's

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a maniac in charge of your family who, who could

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either love you or kill you at the flip of a coin.

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Will: Yeah, yeah. And, and you will. Yeah. And she's

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completely. To your point, I mean, she's

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completely lost herself where she, you know, I

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think that's what I think that is the parallels

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where Annie, Annie never completely lost herself.

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She still had enough. And you know, she held on to

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whatever core value that she has or whatever that

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she was able to make that break, whereas

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Firecracker didn't have anything left or nothing.

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They didn't know where to go. So she, she was just

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like, well, again, I'm just going to throw myself

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on the proverbial sword here and do whatever I

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need to do to keep, hold on to my little, little

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bit of power that I have and because that's all at

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the end of the day, that's all.

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Sarah : I just think in terms of the lead up to the death,

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to the killing sequence, if she had just walked

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out the door though there were plenty of seeds

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where suddenly she would find like starlighters or

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she would, she would be anti Vought. Like, she

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would be very much like the Marathon Man. So I

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don't think. Yeah, so, so I, I just, I don't, I

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see. She, would be like a train. I, I think that

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we just didn't have enough time because it starts

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with doubt. And maybe that's at the end of the

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day. Exactly why he's just like, well, I, I know

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what you're saying, but I can't fully trust you

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and there's no going back now, so I might as well

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just kill you.

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Will: So, so, yeah, yeah, to me, the moment that, see if

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the Rubicon for me was that, that moment in the

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broadcast that she, whenever she sold out her, her

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tr. What basically was her family, she, to me,

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that was like she has, that she's, she's crossed

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the point in a return.

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Sarah : Yeah.

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Will: Me.

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Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah. black noir. I was not expecting

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to have a one shot with black noir this second.

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but it was great. It was a great one shot with him

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so happy to go into acting class or to be a part

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of this play. And then he's talking to the

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director who just so happens to have been the

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director of the dawn of the Seven movie. and then

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they even share. Well, unknowingly they both,

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commiserate about their opinions on the deep and

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their dynamics with the deep. And then in the boys

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fashion, the boys fashion, we get, the director

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does end up getting an eel straight up the ass.

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what, what was the line? I swear. you sent an eel

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to ass murder, Adam.

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Will: Yep.

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Sarah : Literally that's what happened. And it was like.

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Yeah, it wouldn't, it wouldn't have been quite the

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same without that death. But, Yeah, yeah, I, I, I

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liked how we get. We had such a, like a serious

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one shot and a very dramatic, one shot with

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Firecracker. And then we're just walking down the

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street with, with Justin and we're just seeing his

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life outside of Vought, which is so happy. I'm

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surprised they didn't play like Music from the

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Truman show during that sequence because it just,

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it felt so, so different and so much lighter. And

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then even. Even with the Deep, because he's always

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been that character to bring humor, especially in

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terms of the seven. and, And I, I have like the.

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With everything else going on and all the

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McGuffins, every now and then we check in with

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these two and who are at odds right now, over what

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happened with Stan Edgar, and that betrayal of

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friendship. Like, I'm like, you know, I didn't

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want. I didn't expect a bromance, but I like it.

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Even though they're kind of like sleeping in

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different beds. Who knows, who knows what will

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happen by the end of the season?

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Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So to me, this, the, The Black

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Noir Deep relationship is all like the palace

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intrigue because both of them, for different

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motivations, are trying to, you know, get into the

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graces, you know, keeping the good graces of

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Homelander. So, of course, Deep, you know, black

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noir, whenever you capture Stan Edgar and, you

491
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,240
know, and Deep takes. Takes the take, takes the

492
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,190
credit for knock, knocks him out, takes him to.

493
00:30:06,190 --> 00:30:09,510
To. To Homelander. Because again, you know, Deep.

494
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:15,110
Deep just wants to be the guy, you know, and so to

495
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:17,990
me it's, you know, that, that dynamic, at least I

496
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:20,510
don't know if Noir is playing all the games of the

497
00:30:20,510 --> 00:30:23,750
palace entry. He just wants to just. He just wants

498
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:27,830
to be an actor. And, and, and really, you know, he

499
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:30,270
really, Whenever he had those conversations with

500
00:30:30,270 --> 00:30:32,310
Adam, he felt like he was really have. Was going

501
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:34,230
to have this big break and everything was going to

502
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:38,440
work out and, and all. But, you know, Deep again,

503
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,800
wants to be that, Be the guy for, For Homelander.

504
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,120
And, and so he, you know, he does all these things

505
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:49,210
that whenever, he, you know, he can't. He will. He

506
00:30:49,530 --> 00:30:51,730
is the guy in the office who will stab you in the

507
00:30:51,730 --> 00:30:53,610
back just to, like, climb the corporate ladder.

508
00:30:55,050 --> 00:30:58,410
Sarah : Yep, yep. Yeah, that is, that is exactly what

509
00:30:58,410 --> 00:31:00,610
he'll. No, he won't stab a person in the back.

510
00:31:00,610 --> 00:31:02,490
He'll send an eel to go up. Yes.

511
00:31:02,750 --> 00:31:04,430
Will: Yeah, he'll still. Yeah, exactly.

512
00:31:05,310 --> 00:31:07,390
Sarah : We'll do something with clams, you know.

513
00:31:07,630 --> 00:31:08,590
Will: Yeah. Yeah.

514
00:31:09,470 --> 00:31:17,710
Sarah : So, the next one is Terror, which this brings up a

515
00:31:17,710 --> 00:31:20,880
point I have. Yeah. and while, While watching this

516
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,640
episode. This is the most Supernatural like,

517
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,960
episode of the Boys that I've seen.

518
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,080
Sarah : And it really stuck out to me when we jumped to a,

519
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,600
A one shot from the perspective of Terror

520
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,640
Butcher's Dog. Because there is an episode in

521
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,550
Supernatural, where the entire episode is through

522
00:31:43,550 --> 00:31:47,630
the perspective of the car that the boys have

523
00:31:47,630 --> 00:31:50,510
driven in. It's a very significant quote unquote

524
00:31:50,670 --> 00:31:54,030
character in the show. And, and so in one of the

525
00:31:54,030 --> 00:31:58,390
later seasons they did an entire episode from the

526
00:31:58,390 --> 00:32:00,950
perspective of the car. And it's played out very

527
00:32:00,950 --> 00:32:06,230
similar how the, the one shot of terror is where

528
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:09,830
like the car is in the background, therefore you,

529
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:13,790
you hear these conversations and then the car goes

530
00:32:13,790 --> 00:32:16,630
to. Then they drive the car to another place and

531
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:19,560
there's another conversation. So it, like the car

532
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,760
is always in the scene and so that's how you're

533
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:27,880
able to still follow the, the character. So I felt

534
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:33,920
like that on a much larger scale and then Kripke

535
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,000
was just like, well, let's have some fun with

536
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,640
these one shots and just add this one in there.

537
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,720
Which I also, when we first turned to it, I was

538
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,770
very worried that I was like, oh, we're not gonna

539
00:32:46,770 --> 00:32:50,130
just do one shots with the, the seven. The people

540
00:32:50,130 --> 00:32:52,690
in the executive suite. We're gonna go into the

541
00:32:52,690 --> 00:32:56,250
boys. And so I was worried about later. But they

542
00:32:56,250 --> 00:32:59,690
didn't do that. They just made it very simple that

543
00:32:59,690 --> 00:33:03,050
we. Because we know what's going on with these

544
00:33:03,050 --> 00:33:06,450
dynamics right now. We spent like 40 minutes last

545
00:33:06,450 --> 00:33:11,140
week on it and it was mind numbing. And, and it

546
00:33:11,140 --> 00:33:15,380
was a very simple one shot in the sense that they

547
00:33:15,380 --> 00:33:17,900
have chocolate in the building. Dogs are allergic

548
00:33:17,900 --> 00:33:18,620
to chocolate.

549
00:33:18,940 --> 00:33:19,420
Will: Yep.

550
00:33:19,420 --> 00:33:23,500
Sarah : Terror eats chocolate. They save him. And then

551
00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:26,460
that helps convince Butcher to maybe, you know,

552
00:33:26,860 --> 00:33:30,180
maybe we could use the V1 to save Annie and

553
00:33:30,180 --> 00:33:35,060
Kimiko. I don't know. Call is crazy. Call ah. Is

554
00:33:35,060 --> 00:33:40,480
crazy for. For the for wanting the people who are.

555
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:47,520
For us are Becca's to live. Call us crazy. But I

556
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:54,560
also, I do think that it is very telling to me how

557
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,880
much these, these characters have evolved where

558
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,539
that is a point of contention in terms of our

559
00:34:03,539 --> 00:34:08,739
heroes. Because starting off it was all humans.

560
00:34:09,139 --> 00:34:09,619
Will: Yep.

561
00:34:09,619 --> 00:34:14,579
Sarah : On that side. Not anymore. And so now it, it makes

562
00:34:14,579 --> 00:34:19,499
that conversation of getting rid of the soup and

563
00:34:19,499 --> 00:34:23,299
getting and, or getting rid of all soups very

564
00:34:23,299 --> 00:34:26,699
different. When what's. When suddenly your, your

565
00:34:26,699 --> 00:34:30,620
friends, your family, your, Your girlfriend, the

566
00:34:30,620 --> 00:34:34,180
love of your life is, is a soup.

567
00:34:34,980 --> 00:34:39,260
Will: Yeah. Yeah, that, that is a very good point. And,

568
00:34:39,260 --> 00:34:42,110
and, and and I liked what, you know, when Huey

569
00:34:42,110 --> 00:34:46,150
called you called out the Butcher. You know, what

570
00:34:46,150 --> 00:34:48,070
if this were. What if it was a Becca? Do you just

571
00:34:48,070 --> 00:34:50,470
let her die? And he. And Butcher likes it. Fires

572
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:52,990
back I did let her die. It, you know, it was,

573
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,040
there was so much in that. In that exchange

574
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,400
between the two of them and, and one of the things

575
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,010
too. I'm glad you brought up the fact about how

576
00:35:02,650 --> 00:35:07,960
the. The turn here a couple things. One, I think,

577
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,200
you know, using the McGuff, using a one shot of

578
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,200
terror. Really, you know, like you said, we spent

579
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:20,260
last week with the. The trope of thing happens to.

580
00:35:20,260 --> 00:35:22,260
Causes all our characters to say what they really

581
00:35:22,260 --> 00:35:25,590
think or, you know, and then this week it was like

582
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:29,430
we use. We use terror eating the chocolate as a

583
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:32,070
way to show that yes, all these people are up.

584
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:34,790
They have all these dynamics and stuff, but at the

585
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:38,590
end of the day they all. At some core level they.

586
00:35:38,590 --> 00:35:40,990
They need each other and they work well with one

587
00:35:40,990 --> 00:35:43,350
another and we will put all our differences aside

588
00:35:43,350 --> 00:35:47,970
to. To save this dog. And so there was that aspect

589
00:35:47,970 --> 00:35:50,890
of it. But two, with the, with the virus and the

590
00:35:50,890 --> 00:35:54,090
conversation between Huey and Butcher, you know,

591
00:35:54,090 --> 00:35:57,130
and the whole. The genocide of it all, you know,

592
00:35:57,130 --> 00:36:00,640
it's really, it's, It was really this episode, I

593
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,840
think of the Boys was. Was cooking for me at

594
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,360
least, because it got into what made this show so

595
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,790
special and why it was so good, so different, from

596
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:14,150
many things that are out there.

597
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:19,230
Sarah : I. Because yeah, see, I, I don't. I disagree with

598
00:36:19,230 --> 00:36:21,710
you again, let me

599
00:36:21,710 --> 00:36:25,070
Will: finish my point about the genocide. Yeah, yeah,

600
00:36:25,070 --> 00:36:29,470
because where I was going with that is, you know,

601
00:36:29,470 --> 00:36:35,080
they. Whatever they had gotten to, you know, to

602
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,280
your point, as you noted, it was all about killing

603
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,800
the soups. But then now, now we got some soups who

604
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,280
are. Are the quote unquote good ones. So, so yeah,

605
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,920
so, but's like, yeah, okay, we can, we can save

606
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,680
them. But they still saw, they still skirt past

607
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,480
the, the larger philosophical point of like, we

608
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,510
are still committing a genocide here. yeah. And

609
00:36:58,510 --> 00:37:02,070
so, so that was, that was where I was really going

610
00:37:02,070 --> 00:37:05,360
as far as like, why. Where I was like, yeah, this,

611
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,440
you know, this is. This is where the show was like

612
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,400
pointing out, you know, point pointing the

613
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,560
spotlight on something here they, don't address,

614
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,640
they don't fully answer the question, but they,

615
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,000
they do bring it up. For me as a viewer, I'm like,

616
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,560
hm, you know, what are, what are the ethical

617
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,000
ramifications of all this?

618
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:27,040
Sarah : So where I disagreed with you is when you pointed

619
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,400
out like. Like this one shot was used to show up

620
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,870
how up these guys are. because I thought it was

621
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:39,950
more used to very. Because a lot of these. This

622
00:37:39,950 --> 00:37:43,310
conflict has been said for the past four episodes.

623
00:37:44,030 --> 00:37:48,590
So. But in a very quick way, we just. We got an

624
00:37:48,590 --> 00:37:54,870
almost in A very, happy way. We got. We got this

625
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:58,490
idea that, no, this conflict is still there. And

626
00:37:58,490 --> 00:38:02,210
it's more about these characters confronting. What

627
00:38:02,210 --> 00:38:05,930
does the end mean? Because think about it this

628
00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:12,620
way. You have Frenchie. His whole thing is. I, I.

629
00:38:12,860 --> 00:38:16,940
She wants one of you. She. She wants this. What

630
00:38:16,940 --> 00:38:21,020
he's not saying is she wants a normal family life.

631
00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:29,740
He is. He wants her. He is not. Not sure if he is

632
00:38:29,740 --> 00:38:34,140
qualified or could fit in the. In the house with a

633
00:38:34,140 --> 00:38:37,900
picket fence. Like, he's never known that life, so

634
00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:43,140
it scares him. And. And also now. And that. And I

635
00:38:43,140 --> 00:38:46,980
like that. I really do, because it's. It's. It.

636
00:38:47,380 --> 00:38:50,840
It's an idea I never thought of before. But

637
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,080
simultaneously, between Kimiko and Annie, you also

638
00:38:55,160 --> 00:39:00,280
have the whole soup. Like, not all soups are bad,

639
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,760
right? And it is. It's a big population of this

640
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,120
world and the genocide of it all, which goes into

641
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,240
the Last of Us territory. Like, it. It makes a

642
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:17,520
difference, you know, sometimes for the heroes and

643
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,090
who they choose because they make this. At the end

644
00:39:21,090 --> 00:39:24,730
of the day, there's a. There's almost like a human

645
00:39:24,730 --> 00:39:31,050
flaw in us where we protect the ones we love, and

646
00:39:31,930 --> 00:39:36,890
as long as we love them, we will protect them. So

647
00:39:37,370 --> 00:39:39,850
screw the rest of you, because I'm not. I don't

648
00:39:39,850 --> 00:39:40,410
love you.

649
00:39:41,050 --> 00:39:42,090
Will: Yep. Yeah.

650
00:39:42,730 --> 00:39:46,430
Sarah : Yeah, it's. It's. But, But yeah, I. I thought,

651
00:39:47,710 --> 00:39:50,430
like, to your point, and as we go into the sister

652
00:39:50,430 --> 00:39:55,960
stage of it all, this episode, and I did say it's

653
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,040
a very supernatural, natural aspect, I think, from

654
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:04,480
a mechanical perspective, but I significantly

655
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,800
prefer this episode more than last week. And

656
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,450
that's because we are getting these conversations

657
00:40:13,730 --> 00:40:17,090
almost that we had last week, but was just done in

658
00:40:17,090 --> 00:40:21,010
a way that it was tedious and tiresome and word

659
00:40:21,010 --> 00:40:25,180
vomit. While this. There was. There was movement.

660
00:40:26,810 --> 00:40:30,890
we didn't spend too long with anybody, and it

661
00:40:30,890 --> 00:40:35,050
just. It felt like separate stories, yet all

662
00:40:35,050 --> 00:40:37,570
together, it kind of. I was kind of thinking to

663
00:40:37,570 --> 00:40:42,510
myself, I'm like, what if. What if all. All shows

664
00:40:42,510 --> 00:40:46,470
are done like this? Because sometimes. Sometimes

665
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:49,230
when we're hopping back and forth, I don't care

666
00:40:49,230 --> 00:40:51,550
suddenly about the B storyline. And in this

667
00:40:51,550 --> 00:40:54,110
episode, I was like, I'm just in for the ride.

668
00:40:54,670 --> 00:40:57,740
Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, love the. Love the construct

669
00:40:57,740 --> 00:41:00,020
of, like, you know, basically, it's one day with

670
00:41:00,260 --> 00:41:05,070
everybody's perspective on this one day. So.

671
00:41:05,150 --> 00:41:08,230
Sarah : One of my favorite. One of my favorite lines in

672
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:12,190
this episode happened during the sister sage one

673
00:41:12,190 --> 00:41:14,550
shot. And I'm so glad we got a sister stage one

674
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:17,470
shot. Because we have not spent too much time with

675
00:41:17,470 --> 00:41:19,510
her this season. And that was becoming

676
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:23,270
increasingly obvious to me. But this line actually

677
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:28,950
comes from Ashley when she says, isn't it kind of

678
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:31,990
your fault your country's being invaded? You might

679
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:34,710
as well have been wearing a short skirt. I was

680
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:37,990
just like, this humor.

681
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:39,270
Will: Yeah.

682
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:42,710
Sarah : Needs to be more in the world because that is

683
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:45,990
sickly but hilarious.

684
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:48,310
Will: Hilarious.

685
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:52,310
Sarah : It's just, it's such. And. And only Ashley could

686
00:41:52,310 --> 00:41:54,790
say something like that. And then my other

687
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:59,380
favorite line also from this one shot was, you

688
00:41:59,380 --> 00:42:02,380
only called me the poster child for early abortion

689
00:42:02,380 --> 00:42:03,060
once today.

690
00:42:05,460 --> 00:42:05,940
Will: Yeah,

691
00:42:08,660 --> 00:42:14,029
Sarah : I, yeah, this, this was great because I'm also. I

692
00:42:14,029 --> 00:42:16,910
was also just like Ashley. And I was like. Because

693
00:42:16,910 --> 00:42:20,110
it's almost like I forget about the back of her

694
00:42:20,110 --> 00:42:23,470
head. And so I was also very suspicious. I'm like,

695
00:42:23,470 --> 00:42:26,930
I understand you need her to call in this. The

696
00:42:26,930 --> 00:42:29,970
International Soups or the Soups who are posted

697
00:42:30,850 --> 00:42:33,930
internationally. But. But what else do you need

698
00:42:33,930 --> 00:42:37,810
her for? And then we got Sister Sage. Word vomit.

699
00:42:37,820 --> 00:42:39,620
but what, what are some of your thoughts about

700
00:42:39,620 --> 00:42:40,500
this one shot?

701
00:42:40,980 --> 00:42:44,300
Will: Yeah, you pretty much covered all the ones I. That

702
00:42:44,300 --> 00:42:48,120
I was thinking about. really the other. Only other

703
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:53,900
thing I would add is just her phase two. You, know

704
00:42:53,900 --> 00:43:00,460
we are, you know, really getting everyone dies,

705
00:43:00,460 --> 00:43:02,500
but I still. I'll be able. And she really won't

706
00:43:02,500 --> 00:43:04,380
make sure. You definitely wants to make sure that,

707
00:43:04,380 --> 00:43:06,860
you know, the care that the Homelander goes too,

708
00:43:06,860 --> 00:43:08,860
because she's been carrying his ass now for

709
00:43:08,860 --> 00:43:12,700
forever and she just wants quiet. And it was just

710
00:43:13,020 --> 00:43:14,740
as we learned, you know, because we learned so

711
00:43:14,740 --> 00:43:16,580
much. You know, whenever we were introduced to

712
00:43:16,580 --> 00:43:18,700
Sage and we learned how she had, Cured know,

713
00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:21,740
disease and you know, but then. But she's also a

714
00:43:21,740 --> 00:43:23,500
black woman. So we got all, you know, there's

715
00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:26,700
that, that tension that, that's there because, you

716
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:30,020
know, because of a race and you know, it's just

717
00:43:30,260 --> 00:43:33,260
Sage is a very interesting character and I'm glad,

718
00:43:33,260 --> 00:43:35,900
like you said, that they did provide this one shot

719
00:43:35,900 --> 00:43:38,940
for her. And then we ultimately see, you know,

720
00:43:38,940 --> 00:43:41,300
she's this most intelligent person in the world.

721
00:43:42,660 --> 00:43:47,060
But, you know, her. Her solution was pretty.

722
00:43:47,140 --> 00:43:49,820
Pretty mundane. I mean, she just wants to just sit

723
00:43:49,820 --> 00:43:53,060
on the. Sit on the porch and what outside of

724
00:43:53,060 --> 00:43:55,460
Colorado Springs and just kind of like, you know,

725
00:43:56,500 --> 00:43:58,980
she has no more. She has no more to give. She's

726
00:43:58,980 --> 00:44:02,020
just done. I just, I just. Everybody just go away

727
00:44:02,020 --> 00:44:03,620
and I just want to have my peace and quiet.

728
00:44:04,180 --> 00:44:07,740
Sarah : Well, she essentially wants the whole world to go

729
00:44:07,740 --> 00:44:08,580
away and.

730
00:44:08,580 --> 00:44:09,340
Will: Yeah, exactly.

731
00:44:09,340 --> 00:44:12,750
Sarah : Yeah, Yeah, I was just like, damn. But I also,

732
00:44:12,910 --> 00:44:16,390
just as soon as it was bunker in Colorado Springs,

733
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:21,070
I'm like, oh, my God, Paradise, Paradise, y'. All.

734
00:44:21,630 --> 00:44:26,690
Okay, this is such a Samantha plan. but, and then

735
00:44:26,690 --> 00:44:29,330
I'm, I'm thinking to myself, you just, you just

736
00:44:29,330 --> 00:44:32,210
made a case for why Homelander, you don't want

737
00:44:32,210 --> 00:44:35,410
Homelander around because, yeah, he, he's way too

738
00:44:35,410 --> 00:44:39,480
needy. But Ashley is arguably just as needy as

739
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,760
Homelander, so good luck with that. And there are

740
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:47,620
technically two of her. So, but Ashley is also

741
00:44:49,140 --> 00:44:53,780
very much in the sense of survival instinct. And I

742
00:44:53,780 --> 00:44:58,140
think that's what sister stage. She, she knows at

743
00:44:58,140 --> 00:45:03,590
the end of the day, soups, Soup, survival not

744
00:45:03,590 --> 00:45:04,110
gonna happen.

745
00:45:04,670 --> 00:45:05,070
Will: Right.

746
00:45:05,070 --> 00:45:09,550
Sarah : Homelander has to go down. And with Homelander

747
00:45:10,190 --> 00:45:15,350
also comes like a revolution and a new wave and

748
00:45:15,350 --> 00:45:19,310
chaos and destruction. And so she just is

749
00:45:19,470 --> 00:45:22,510
basically like, I'm gonna set all these things in

750
00:45:22,510 --> 00:45:25,830
the motion, but I'm also simultaneous gonna make

751
00:45:25,830 --> 00:45:30,210
sure that I get out without a scratch now. Yeah,

752
00:45:30,690 --> 00:45:34,570
we don't know if her bunker, is, is going to be

753
00:45:34,730 --> 00:45:37,770
equipped because we've seen other bunkers fail

754
00:45:37,770 --> 00:45:38,170
recently.

755
00:45:38,890 --> 00:45:40,030
Will: We have, we have.

756
00:45:40,580 --> 00:45:48,770
Sarah : let's go to la. yes. and, and at the start, right

757
00:45:48,770 --> 00:45:51,930
after Firecracker or right after, it dawned on me

758
00:45:51,930 --> 00:45:54,780
what they were doing, I immediately was like,

759
00:45:54,780 --> 00:45:58,460
okay, are we gonna follow soldier boy? And then we

760
00:45:58,460 --> 00:46:02,900
did. But they saved it, rightfully so. And, and

761
00:46:02,900 --> 00:46:06,580
it, and it didn't take me too long to also be

762
00:46:06,580 --> 00:46:09,379
like, oh, wait a second. This is gonna be the

763
00:46:09,379 --> 00:46:14,580
episode where Jared shows up. He does as Marathon

764
00:46:14,580 --> 00:46:18,700
man, and so does Misha Collins, who played

765
00:46:18,780 --> 00:46:24,380
infamous Castiel from Supernatural. yep. Yeah, I,

766
00:46:25,020 --> 00:46:30,860
I, yeah, on screen together. They're, they, I

767
00:46:30,860 --> 00:46:36,140
just, I don't know. I, I, I was very engaged in

768
00:46:36,140 --> 00:46:41,260
the whole, the whole McCarthyism of this, this one

769
00:46:41,260 --> 00:46:44,660
shot, that occurred with the Hollywood, with, with

770
00:46:44,660 --> 00:46:49,540
Seth Rogen and the other, Hollywood elite. And

771
00:46:49,540 --> 00:46:54,650
then also, also the, what do we refer to Marathon

772
00:46:54,650 --> 00:46:59,570
man and whatever name they gave or my chemical. My

773
00:46:59,570 --> 00:47:02,930
chemical makes deadly gases into the campaign with

774
00:47:02,930 --> 00:47:07,010
gas X. Like these. The second. Is it the C, Are

775
00:47:07,010 --> 00:47:13,450
they like the deer D tier soups or. I don't know,

776
00:47:14,090 --> 00:47:18,600
they still make money Hollywood wise. well, you

777
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:23,380
know, what was it in Wonder man where, the actors

778
00:47:23,460 --> 00:47:25,780
couldn't act because they had, oh, the,

779
00:47:25,780 --> 00:47:29,420
Will: the, oh, the, the doorman. Doorman. The doorman

780
00:47:29,420 --> 00:47:30,540
clause. Yes, yes.

781
00:47:30,700 --> 00:47:33,100
Sarah : Yeah, they're clearly in the boys universe. No

782
00:47:33,100 --> 00:47:37,910
doorman, claws. And that's why we have this one

783
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:40,870
shot the way we do Constructed in Hollywood, but

784
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,040
go ahead. Go ahead, Will.

785
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,080
Will: Yeah. Yeah, no, this was my favorite, I think.

786
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,880
Well, this is definitely. It's hard to say which

787
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,600
one was my favorite one shot, but this definitely

788
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,440
was the one that I, I, you know, I'm not, I didn't

789
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,959
watch Supernatural, so I don't have the, the

790
00:47:56,959 --> 00:48:00,000
longevity of, you know, fandom there that a lot of

791
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,040
folks who, with these three actors have. But I

792
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,440
have watched a few episodes and I did. It was fun

793
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,680
to see them all together on screen with, in this,

794
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,280
in this episode. But, but the whole, like, the

795
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,400
whole thing with, you know, with the dynamics

796
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,880
between Homelander and, and, and, and, And Silver

797
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,920
Boy, you know, now we got kind of their, you know,

798
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,399
that father son dynamic and of course the whole,

799
00:48:25,890 --> 00:48:27,990
you know, even prior, you know, even prior going

800
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:30,230
to la, that had the whole, the whole interaction

801
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:34,790
with Stan and the whole daddy issues and, you

802
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:36,630
know, basically getting called out. You know, he

803
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:38,390
has two daddies and he can't be, you know,

804
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:42,360
Homelander. Just can't either one. so there, there

805
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,050
was that, there was that aspect of it. and then

806
00:48:45,050 --> 00:48:48,090
just. And then also the sort of the bookend of

807
00:48:48,170 --> 00:48:52,490
like with. When Mr. Marathon was just like running

808
00:48:52,490 --> 00:48:55,690
through and just like, just smashing. Running

809
00:48:55,690 --> 00:48:59,750
through like all the, Seth Rogan and every, and,

810
00:48:59,750 --> 00:49:02,920
And Kamal and, And everyone. you know, just

811
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,710
thinking back to how, how this series started,

812
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:08,990
all. It's all because a train running through,

813
00:49:08,990 --> 00:49:12,030
Running through Huey's girlfriend. And now we're

814
00:49:12,030 --> 00:49:14,710
getting that. You know, we're getting that, that

815
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:20,540
again. And then also, just, just from a fun meta

816
00:49:20,540 --> 00:49:23,860
piece of it, just the indulgence. We're doing

817
00:49:23,860 --> 00:49:26,740
this, we're doing this scene because we can.

818
00:49:27,700 --> 00:49:31,140
Sarah : Yeah, yeah, there was an indulgence, but there was

819
00:49:31,140 --> 00:49:35,580
also a fun, There was an energy. And then, the.

820
00:49:35,740 --> 00:49:39,300
What you just pointed out. But I think what stood

821
00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:43,340
out to me the most was the, the father son aspect

822
00:49:43,340 --> 00:49:48,540
and from the sense that there is a very important

823
00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:52,540
moment at the end of the previous episode between

824
00:49:52,540 --> 00:49:55,900
Homelander and Soldier Boy where Homelander does

825
00:49:55,900 --> 00:50:00,910
not kill his father. and that is paralleled in

826
00:50:00,910 --> 00:50:03,630
this episode, which I did not, I did not

827
00:50:03,630 --> 00:50:06,830
anticipate again. And it surprised me that they

828
00:50:06,830 --> 00:50:09,390
went in that direction where he essentially is

829
00:50:09,390 --> 00:50:14,230
given the opportunity to kill his son, which for

830
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:17,150
all intents and purposes, he wants to get to the

831
00:50:17,150 --> 00:50:19,670
V. So his son is not immortal.

832
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:20,550
Will: Right.

833
00:50:21,350 --> 00:50:25,150
Sarah : But he, when given the opportunity, he chooses not

834
00:50:25,150 --> 00:50:29,100
to. And I think that again, is very telling for

835
00:50:29,100 --> 00:50:31,460
both of them where whether they like it or not,

836
00:50:31,460 --> 00:50:35,860
they are each Other's blood. So there. There is

837
00:50:35,860 --> 00:50:40,660
this realization that I, I find you very annoying

838
00:50:41,459 --> 00:50:47,660
and very stupid and very annoying, but yet I can't

839
00:50:47,660 --> 00:50:50,620
kill you because you're my son. And. Oh, my God,

840
00:50:50,620 --> 00:50:53,950
the line that came out around, nobody my son but

841
00:50:53,950 --> 00:50:54,270
me.

842
00:50:54,590 --> 00:50:55,150
Will: Yes.

843
00:50:56,310 --> 00:51:01,470
Sarah : Wow. Wow. They. Yeah, I, I think it's. I think you

844
00:51:01,470 --> 00:51:04,590
can only get away with stuff like that when you

845
00:51:04,590 --> 00:51:07,430
have the dialogue that they did in this episode.

846
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:09,190
The dialogue was just on point.

847
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:10,310
Will: Yep.

848
00:51:10,310 --> 00:51:14,940
Sarah : And I, mean, the, The. The mechanics was just

849
00:51:14,940 --> 00:51:19,220
embellish. Embellishments of a great script of an

850
00:51:19,220 --> 00:51:23,860
episode. so. And then I guess next week we're off

851
00:51:23,860 --> 00:51:27,460
to find and figure out whoever, bomb site is

852
00:51:27,460 --> 00:51:31,700
because apparently they. They have V1. So.

853
00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:33,900
Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We. Yeah. This is the second

854
00:51:33,900 --> 00:51:37,820
time, I think, or maybe m. More that we've gotten

855
00:51:37,820 --> 00:51:41,260
the bomb site, reference, in, in this. In this

856
00:51:41,260 --> 00:51:44,820
series. But yeah, I mean, you know, I, you know,

857
00:51:44,820 --> 00:51:47,580
this was an interesting choice for them to go in

858
00:51:47,580 --> 00:51:52,580
the final, season to do this one shot. you know,

859
00:51:52,580 --> 00:51:55,660
because. But, but even though it was an

860
00:51:55,660 --> 00:51:59,420
interesting stylistic choice to go there, I think

861
00:51:59,420 --> 00:52:02,260
it. It. But in keeping with the boys, this is what

862
00:52:02,260 --> 00:52:05,300
the show does. It. It is all about subverting

863
00:52:05,300 --> 00:52:05,980
expectations.

864
00:52:06,940 --> 00:52:07,500
Sarah : Yeah.

865
00:52:08,060 --> 00:52:10,940
Will: And. And so it was completely on brand for them to

866
00:52:10,940 --> 00:52:13,860
do something like this in the final season. So I

867
00:52:13,860 --> 00:52:16,420
really, I really enjoyed this. And, and, and,

868
00:52:16,370 --> 00:52:17,970
especially after last week's episode. This was

869
00:52:17,970 --> 00:52:19,290
definitely a good palate cleanser.

870
00:52:19,930 --> 00:52:24,010
Sarah : Yeah. I think it's also just Kripke. I think he.

871
00:52:26,810 --> 00:52:30,410
There is so much. I mean, he did 15 seasons with

872
00:52:30,410 --> 00:52:33,271
Supernatural or. no, he didn't. No, I take that

873
00:52:33,271 --> 00:52:35,751
back. He's the creator. He didn't do all 15

874
00:52:35,751 --> 00:52:36,231
seasons.

875
00:52:36,231 --> 00:52:37,191
Will: He step away after

876
00:52:39,751 --> 00:52:41,271
Sarah : five. Lucky number five.

877
00:52:41,911 --> 00:52:42,151
Will: Yeah.

878
00:52:42,151 --> 00:52:45,751
Sarah : But I, I still think later on he might have had

879
00:52:45,751 --> 00:52:50,231
some. There's still a brand here. and there.

880
00:52:50,231 --> 00:52:54,351
There's a whimsy. So. But we'll. We're gonna put

881
00:52:54,351 --> 00:52:57,631
aside whimsy right now and head over to Hell's

882
00:52:57,631 --> 00:53:00,471
Kitchen to resume our conversation about Daredevil

883
00:53:00,471 --> 00:53:03,911
Born Again Season two. We are talking to episodes

884
00:53:03,911 --> 00:53:06,911
three and four tonight. And part of the reason why

885
00:53:06,911 --> 00:53:09,911
I wanted to put a pin in our conversation about

886
00:53:10,461 --> 00:53:15,421
the viewership of season two is because leading up

887
00:53:15,741 --> 00:53:20,541
to us actually starting this season, episode four

888
00:53:20,541 --> 00:53:23,381
had already come out. And I remember seeing the

889
00:53:23,381 --> 00:53:28,021
headline. The highest rated episode of Daredevil

890
00:53:28,021 --> 00:53:33,341
Born Again is episode four, Gloves off. And I was

891
00:53:33,341 --> 00:53:36,301
like, ooh, that's. That's very interesting. It's.

892
00:53:36,531 --> 00:53:39,571
It's Highly rated and people must like it. And,

893
00:53:39,811 --> 00:53:46,701
and I felt some buzz about it. So, so going in, I

894
00:53:46,701 --> 00:53:50,381
had very high expectations for C for episode four.

895
00:53:51,021 --> 00:53:53,861
I don't know if you got gist of that, but I had

896
00:53:53,861 --> 00:53:59,381
very high expectations. I will tell you, a quarter

897
00:53:59,381 --> 00:54:02,301
of the episode met those expectations. 75 of it

898
00:54:02,301 --> 00:54:09,441
did not. But that's just me. just, just because.

899
00:54:09,841 --> 00:54:13,441
And I'm gonna cut to the end because I've already

900
00:54:13,441 --> 00:54:17,681
brought up episode four. I don't know what it was,

901
00:54:18,241 --> 00:54:21,841
but between the slow mo or the lack of music,

902
00:54:22,401 --> 00:54:25,401
there's something that was just awkward for me in

903
00:54:25,401 --> 00:54:29,641
watching the, the whole fight sequence. And then

904
00:54:29,641 --> 00:54:33,801
most importantly, the revelation that Vanessa got,

905
00:54:34,281 --> 00:54:37,641
was, got impaled. Very much like Firecracker might

906
00:54:37,641 --> 00:54:41,811
add. yeah.

907
00:54:41,811 --> 00:54:44,051
Will: And both episodes this week.

908
00:54:44,771 --> 00:54:49,211
Sarah : Yeah, yeah. So, so if we both end with impaling of

909
00:54:49,211 --> 00:54:51,451
women, I, I don't know what that says about our

910
00:54:51,451 --> 00:54:58,351
culture. yeah, so, so I, I just. Is it sad? Yes.

911
00:54:59,261 --> 00:54:59,581
Will: Yeah.

912
00:54:59,741 --> 00:55:03,741
Sarah : I, I, I, I have, I don't know. I don't know about

913
00:55:03,741 --> 00:55:07,981
it. I didn't, I wasn't like, oh, my God, that was

914
00:55:07,981 --> 00:55:11,621
so, so intense. And what will Fisk do now? It's

915
00:55:11,621 --> 00:55:14,460
more like, well, you, you got to, you got to

916
00:55:14,460 --> 00:55:18,301
remove the queen to see how bad the king can rule.

917
00:55:19,101 --> 00:55:27,431
Will: Yeah. Yeah. I, I, will say I liked episode four

918
00:55:27,431 --> 00:55:28,591
better than I like three.

919
00:55:29,391 --> 00:55:32,031
Sarah : Definitely. I remember more what happened in

920
00:55:32,031 --> 00:55:32,831
episode four.

921
00:55:33,391 --> 00:55:36,271
Will: Yeah, well, I think I was just more frustrated

922
00:55:36,271 --> 00:55:41,031
with, with, well, let's, I

923
00:55:41,031 --> 00:55:43,791
Sarah : mean, I guess, yeah, we can go back to episode

924
00:55:43,791 --> 00:55:46,551
three and talk about our frustrations with the.

925
00:55:46,551 --> 00:55:50,311
Yeah. continued trial and error.

926
00:55:51,871 --> 00:55:55,741
Will: Yeah. I think some of it was just the, So I think

927
00:55:55,741 --> 00:55:58,741
it was just, for me, it was just a strange and

928
00:55:59,541 --> 00:56:06,491
suspension of disbelief. For example, the Saunders

929
00:56:06,571 --> 00:56:09,291
being the one member of the task force that they

930
00:56:09,291 --> 00:56:11,131
were lucky enough to catch that he's like, I'm on

931
00:56:11,131 --> 00:56:11,611
your side.

932
00:56:12,971 --> 00:56:13,611
Sarah : Definitely.

933
00:56:14,581 --> 00:56:18,381
Will: Yeah. There was that, the, the whole, the whole

934
00:56:18,381 --> 00:56:22,901
trial of it all, with, with Chris, you know, with

935
00:56:22,901 --> 00:56:28,221
Duquesne and the, you know, he's the mayor. I

936
00:56:28,221 --> 00:56:31,301
mean, I get where they're going for as far as, you

937
00:56:31,301 --> 00:56:33,421
know, be corrupting the judicial system and all

938
00:56:33,421 --> 00:56:36,181
that kind of stuff, but it just, Again, it just,

939
00:56:36,341 --> 00:56:40,501
just did. Not that it did not work for me. as far

940
00:56:40,501 --> 00:56:43,181
as, like, you know, these, these three, you know,

941
00:56:43,181 --> 00:56:45,421
a panel of three judges, all three of them gonna

942
00:56:45,421 --> 00:56:47,901
be corrupt. I mean, come on. Yeah, I guess I can,

943
00:56:47,901 --> 00:56:51,491
I could buy one. but it was, you know, it's a show

944
00:56:51,491 --> 00:56:53,571
trial and I, and I get where they were going with

945
00:56:53,571 --> 00:56:56,851
it. It just, I don't know, it just, it just, it

946
00:56:56,851 --> 00:57:01,051
just didn't sit well. And maybe it's just, again,

947
00:57:01,291 --> 00:57:06,741
it's just in the context of like watching boys

948
00:57:06,821 --> 00:57:11,021
and, and, and, and seeing how well you can do like

949
00:57:11,021 --> 00:57:14,661
commentary on, on society. This just felt like it

950
00:57:14,661 --> 00:57:18,221
was just like, okay, paint by numbers. Like Fisk

951
00:57:18,221 --> 00:57:19,221
is like taking over everything.

952
00:57:19,911 --> 00:57:26,851
Sarah : but, so I agree with you. I, I think that, and we

953
00:57:26,851 --> 00:57:29,091
talked about it last night, this show's intention

954
00:57:29,091 --> 00:57:31,981
is not to do commentary. They, they kind of fall

955
00:57:31,981 --> 00:57:35,301
into it and whatever mirror they're holding up to

956
00:57:35,621 --> 00:57:38,981
what's currently going on is just happenstance.

957
00:57:39,221 --> 00:57:39,781
Will: Yeah.

958
00:57:39,861 --> 00:57:45,021
Sarah : But I think that in this episode, episode three,

959
00:57:45,021 --> 00:57:48,771
the scales, and the sword are a lot of the

960
00:57:48,771 --> 00:57:51,811
mechanics and a lot of the structure is so similar

961
00:57:51,891 --> 00:57:56,731
to the season one finale that I know I, I remember

962
00:57:56,731 --> 00:57:59,261
us talking about the, that finale and the episodes

963
00:57:59,261 --> 00:58:01,701
leading up to it where I was, I was right there

964
00:58:01,701 --> 00:58:07,791
with you and I still am. The more they try to, to

965
00:58:07,791 --> 00:58:11,991
show how much power Fisk has, the more viewers

966
00:58:13,111 --> 00:58:15,591
lose. Suspension of disbelief. Like you can only

967
00:58:15,591 --> 00:58:18,431
get stretched so far and in back of your mind it

968
00:58:18,431 --> 00:58:21,911
continues. He's only the mayor. He's only the

969
00:58:21,911 --> 00:58:27,191
mayor. Like it just between that and some of the

970
00:58:27,191 --> 00:58:30,551
other stuff that he gets away with, it's just

971
00:58:30,711 --> 00:58:36,751
very, doesn't work. And this whole thing. Now

972
00:58:36,751 --> 00:58:41,951
there's a movie that I, I saw and Will had some

973
00:58:41,951 --> 00:58:44,311
kind of hurricane happen so he couldn't attend.

974
00:58:44,951 --> 00:58:49,071
And, but, but the whole court system that we're

975
00:58:49,071 --> 00:58:53,511
playing out is eerily similar to the facade that

976
00:58:53,511 --> 00:58:59,391
occurred in Joker 2. So I will say you saw how

977
00:58:59,391 --> 00:59:04,691
that went critically and and with viewers, and

978
00:59:04,691 --> 00:59:08,091
audiences. That very similar thing is happening

979
00:59:08,091 --> 00:59:08,451
here.

980
00:59:08,931 --> 00:59:09,271
Will: Yeah.

981
00:59:09,271 --> 00:59:11,841
Sarah : because if you, if you take that out of the

982
00:59:11,841 --> 00:59:15,081
equation, there is a very interesting moment

983
00:59:15,321 --> 00:59:20,711
between, Heather and Buck in, in this episode. And

984
00:59:20,711 --> 00:59:23,631
I, and I really, I want to understand Buck more,

985
00:59:23,801 --> 00:59:26,201
based on these two episodes. I just am very

986
00:59:26,201 --> 00:59:30,961
curious about him because he, he explains that

987
00:59:30,961 --> 00:59:32,881
they have the perfect view of the court. And I

988
00:59:32,881 --> 00:59:36,921
just found it very amusing how he, how he went

989
00:59:36,921 --> 00:59:40,281
around casting the parts and everything. And then

990
00:59:40,281 --> 00:59:43,121
Heather even calls him out and says like it's

991
00:59:43,121 --> 00:59:45,641
amusing how you're categorizing the sharks that

992
00:59:45,641 --> 00:59:48,601
one day might tear you apart. Heart. And the more

993
00:59:48,601 --> 00:59:50,961
I think about Buck and the more we see him in

994
00:59:50,961 --> 00:59:54,961
these two episodes, the more it's like you're like

995
00:59:54,961 --> 00:59:58,001
the grown up version of Daniel. And so we're

996
00:59:58,001 --> 01:00:02,001
seeing kind of your origin through what's

997
01:00:02,001 --> 01:00:07,201
happening with Daniel. And. And. And so I. I want

998
01:00:07,201 --> 01:00:10,961
to see them more interact, which they did plant

999
01:00:10,961 --> 01:00:14,241
the seeds that eventually Buck's gonna find out

1000
01:00:14,241 --> 01:00:19,381
who's behind the videos that BB is posting, and

1001
01:00:19,621 --> 01:00:21,781
Daniel clearly wants to date her.

1002
01:00:26,981 --> 01:00:29,941
Will: Yeah. Yeah, I. I did like the dynamic. I did. I'm

1003
01:00:29,941 --> 01:00:31,861
glad you brought up the scene because, you know,

1004
01:00:31,941 --> 01:00:34,661
like I said, those were the. Those were the issues

1005
01:00:34,661 --> 01:00:38,021
I had with the episode. But overall, I mean, I did

1006
01:00:38,021 --> 01:00:40,261
enjoy watching. It wasn't that I was like, I wish

1007
01:00:40,261 --> 01:00:42,341
I had this hour. Hour of my life back. Don't.

1008
01:00:42,341 --> 01:00:45,951
Don't get me wrong. But I think to your point,

1009
01:00:46,431 --> 01:00:50,311
those where. Where. Where things did work, I think

1010
01:00:50,311 --> 01:00:54,391
that scene with Heather and Buck and how, they

1011
01:00:54,391 --> 01:00:57,641
were, you know, surveying the room, the dynamics

1012
01:00:57,641 --> 01:01:01,261
between Daniel and. And Buck as well. those. Those

1013
01:01:01,261 --> 01:01:03,141
were. Those were the things, I think that stood

1014
01:01:03,141 --> 01:01:07,781
out to me as far as, like, good moments with. With

1015
01:01:07,781 --> 01:01:11,021
episode three. And also, it also just when it Just

1016
01:01:11,021 --> 01:01:13,421
from a stylistic standpoint, whenever they were

1017
01:01:13,421 --> 01:01:20,401
taking, the. The lawyer, to. To the swordsman.

1018
01:01:20,521 --> 01:01:22,441
Sarah : Yeah, yeah, Krista.

1019
01:01:22,921 --> 01:01:25,401
Will: Krista. Yeah. Whenever she was going back,

1020
01:01:25,751 --> 01:01:28,171
Tristan. Yeah. And, you know, the black did the

1021
01:01:28,171 --> 01:01:31,131
blackout and. And just having her rely on her

1022
01:01:31,131 --> 01:01:36,901
senses because, you know, though, given that Matt

1023
01:01:36,901 --> 01:01:39,341
has to do that same kind of echolocation kind of

1024
01:01:39,341 --> 01:01:42,181
thing, it was just. It was. It was an interesting

1025
01:01:42,181 --> 01:01:45,741
choice for her to sort of. Sort of step into the

1026
01:01:45,741 --> 01:01:48,821
role of a surrogate Matt, you know, as far as

1027
01:01:48,821 --> 01:01:55,631
possibly being Duquesne's lawyer. so I did like

1028
01:01:55,631 --> 01:01:57,111
those elements of the show as well.

1029
01:01:58,391 --> 01:02:02,941
Sarah : Yeah, I. I do. For me, the best stylistic, choice

1030
01:02:02,941 --> 01:02:06,571
made was the opening of, episode four, the

1031
01:02:07,051 --> 01:02:10,651
bullseye morning routine sequence. It's just. It's

1032
01:02:10,651 --> 01:02:11,371
so good.

1033
01:02:12,171 --> 01:02:13,531
Will: Yes. That's so good.

1034
01:02:13,931 --> 01:02:18,611
Sarah : And I. So. So to start episode four, which, again,

1035
01:02:18,611 --> 01:02:21,171
I told y' all I had high expectations for with

1036
01:02:21,171 --> 01:02:24,091
that sequence, I was like, okay, okay, we're gonna

1037
01:02:24,091 --> 01:02:26,051
get more of this. And then they deviate to Matt.

1038
01:02:26,051 --> 01:02:27,051
I'm like, what the heck?

1039
01:02:27,531 --> 01:02:28,091
Will: Yeah.

1040
01:02:29,131 --> 01:02:36,881
Sarah : Sometimes I. I think that with ensembles or with

1041
01:02:36,881 --> 01:02:40,241
on shows, and we've had so many conversations

1042
01:02:40,241 --> 01:02:42,841
about these because we used to cover a little old

1043
01:02:42,841 --> 01:02:44,521
universe called the Arrowverse.

1044
01:02:44,761 --> 01:02:45,281
Will: Yep.

1045
01:02:45,281 --> 01:02:48,241
Sarah : Where we have these heroes, and yet we also have

1046
01:02:48,241 --> 01:02:51,241
side heroes and we have side characters. And,

1047
01:02:51,611 --> 01:02:54,331
sometimes it's hard to deviate from the main

1048
01:02:54,331 --> 01:02:58,951
character's story, but sometimes it's necessary.

1049
01:02:59,271 --> 01:03:03,271
And because you can. You need, I think, a fresh

1050
01:03:03,271 --> 01:03:07,231
air. And I think that's with this show. And with

1051
01:03:07,231 --> 01:03:12,951
this series so far is sometimes Matt and Daredevil

1052
01:03:13,111 --> 01:03:16,911
becomes a bit too much. Just like where I think we

1053
01:03:16,911 --> 01:03:20,151
were talking before with episode three and all of

1054
01:03:20,311 --> 01:03:26,841
the stupidity of Fix Fix, power like Fisk can

1055
01:03:26,841 --> 01:03:31,321
become too much. Where we need to spend more time

1056
01:03:31,321 --> 01:03:38,921
with Kirsten, with Heather, with Karen, and with

1057
01:03:38,921 --> 01:03:42,911
Poindexter, to. To see this world through their

1058
01:03:42,911 --> 01:03:46,751
lens, through their eyes, and to understand it, so

1059
01:03:46,751 --> 01:03:49,631
we get more. More perspective on things. Because

1060
01:03:49,711 --> 01:03:54,801
then the world could say more, for. And. Because

1061
01:03:54,801 --> 01:03:57,561
right now, we're hitting a lot of the same beat

1062
01:03:57,561 --> 01:04:00,641
after beat after beat. It's just like, okay, look,

1063
01:04:00,641 --> 01:04:03,361
can we think about something new? Which. And I

1064
01:04:03,361 --> 01:04:06,361
will go back to. Go back to Vanessa, and I did

1065
01:04:06,361 --> 01:04:10,051
find her conversation with the, What was it? The

1066
01:04:10,051 --> 01:04:10,571
governor.

1067
01:04:10,651 --> 01:04:11,691
Will: The governor, yeah.

1068
01:04:11,771 --> 01:04:14,951
Sarah : Yeah. To. To be very interesting. And I was not at

1069
01:04:14,951 --> 01:04:17,351
all thinking, oh, this is foreshadowing, because

1070
01:04:17,351 --> 01:04:22,591
they're going to kill Vanessa. But I. I did like

1071
01:04:22,591 --> 01:04:25,031
that because I was like, okay, I can understand

1072
01:04:25,351 --> 01:04:28,470
how she will win over people.

1073
01:04:29,271 --> 01:04:29,831
Will: Yeah.

1074
01:04:29,831 --> 01:04:32,951
Sarah : And so long as she's around those people,

1075
01:04:33,591 --> 01:04:37,991
theoretically, or so they say, will. Will support

1076
01:04:37,991 --> 01:04:41,381
Fisk because it's Vanessa will keep him in check.

1077
01:04:41,941 --> 01:04:45,341
She ain't doing a very good job, Will. But that's

1078
01:04:45,341 --> 01:04:47,901
what. From their perspective, she is the

1079
01:04:47,901 --> 01:04:51,501
checkpoint. Well, the moment you establish that,

1080
01:04:51,501 --> 01:04:54,780
you got to remove the checkpoint. So maybe I

1081
01:04:54,780 --> 01:04:56,781
didn't. I didn't think about it at the time, but

1082
01:04:56,781 --> 01:04:59,261
maybe subconsciously, that was in the back of my

1083
01:04:59,261 --> 01:05:01,381
mind. And then when it happened, I was like, well,

1084
01:05:01,541 --> 01:05:02,581
that's not surprising.

1085
01:05:03,621 --> 01:05:07,141
Will: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I agree that she is the. The

1086
01:05:07,141 --> 01:05:10,391
sort of. The, The keeps the reins on things. And.

1087
01:05:10,471 --> 01:05:13,551
And I did. I did. I did like the conversations

1088
01:05:13,551 --> 01:05:17,271
between the Governor and Vanessa. And. And. But

1089
01:05:17,751 --> 01:05:21,551
whenever, you know, And. And of course, Fisk was

1090
01:05:21,551 --> 01:05:23,990
trying to, like, keep her from going. You know,

1091
01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:28,361
he's like, look, you know, this exhibition, you

1092
01:05:28,361 --> 01:05:30,441
know, you know, clearly it was just, you know.

1093
01:05:30,841 --> 01:05:33,281
Yeah, this is gonna. You know, this is doing this

1094
01:05:33,281 --> 01:05:34,121
to piss off Matt.

1095
01:05:35,501 --> 01:05:39,751
Sarah : No, it's not. I think I, Because I think it was

1096
01:05:41,591 --> 01:05:44,591
based on the opening sequence with Poindexter. It

1097
01:05:44,591 --> 01:05:49,391
was actually to call him out. And why Fisk didn't

1098
01:05:49,391 --> 01:05:53,551
want Vanessa there specifically is because. And

1099
01:05:53,551 --> 01:05:55,951
we've kind of seen that foreshadowed over the

1100
01:05:55,951 --> 01:05:59,231
last. Over the previous episodes. Poindexter is

1101
01:05:59,231 --> 01:06:03,561
after her, not Fist, because she made the call to

1102
01:06:03,561 --> 01:06:10,281
him to kill Foggy, not Fisk. So. So that he knew

1103
01:06:10,281 --> 01:06:12,921
that he was setting bait for someone who would

1104
01:06:12,921 --> 01:06:14,921
target her and not him.

1105
01:06:15,481 --> 01:06:17,921
Will: Yeah, true. That's a good point. That is a good

1106
01:06:17,921 --> 01:06:20,871
point, I think. Yeah, I agree with you there. and

1107
01:06:20,871 --> 01:06:23,711
which. It did work because Poindexter did. Did

1108
01:06:23,711 --> 01:06:28,561
show up. and so. But, you know, and. But he. To

1109
01:06:28,561 --> 01:06:31,291
your point, too, whatever. You know, she got the

1110
01:06:31,291 --> 01:06:33,411
win with the Governor. She's like, yeah, we. We.

1111
01:06:33,411 --> 01:06:36,211
You know, she got it. And of course, against her

1112
01:06:36,211 --> 01:06:38,171
better judgment and didn't follow. You know, she

1113
01:06:38,171 --> 01:06:40,451
just, you know, she was. She went to the event,

1114
01:06:40,451 --> 01:06:44,371
and of course she had to wear the Fisk white, and.

1115
01:06:45,011 --> 01:06:48,651
And he got distracted and, you know, things went

1116
01:06:48,651 --> 01:06:51,251
down and, you know, here's. Here's where we are.

1117
01:06:51,361 --> 01:06:55,871
you know, she, you know, he loses control. Yeah,

1118
01:06:55,871 --> 01:06:57,311
yeah, yeah.

1119
01:06:57,791 --> 01:07:00,751
Sarah : I just love that. That moment when she brings out

1120
01:07:00,751 --> 01:07:04,071
a pistol. She's like, I didn't. I came armed. And

1121
01:07:04,071 --> 01:07:07,501
it's like. Yeah, it's. It's a weird, turn on that

1122
01:07:07,501 --> 01:07:11,301
whole phrase. You. You bought. You brought a knife

1123
01:07:11,301 --> 01:07:12,181
to a gun fight.

1124
01:07:15,541 --> 01:07:17,741
Will: Yeah, and then just. Yeah, and then just the

1125
01:07:17,741 --> 01:07:19,941
trinkets that they had and, you know, and point

1126
01:07:19,941 --> 01:07:22,111
extra flings it across because, you know, at that

1127
01:07:22,111 --> 01:07:24,711
point, Fisk is like, lost all control and Fisk is

1128
01:07:24,711 --> 01:07:28,311
like, you know, shatters the thing and. Ah, so it

1129
01:07:28,311 --> 01:07:32,341
was so. It was so sadly poetic. as far as. Just

1130
01:07:32,341 --> 01:07:37,341
like, you know. You know, even though I hate. Like

1131
01:07:37,341 --> 01:07:40,181
you said, m. What is it about tonight? We got two

1132
01:07:40,181 --> 01:07:42,021
shows where women are getting impelled.

1133
01:07:42,481 --> 01:07:44,961
Sarah : but I did not think about that.

1134
01:07:45,521 --> 01:07:48,361
Will: Yeah, I didn't either. Well, obviously, whenever

1135
01:07:48,361 --> 01:07:50,790
we were, like, planning this, we didn't know, but,

1136
01:07:51,980 --> 01:07:55,980
but what's, you know, the next steps as far as,

1137
01:07:55,981 --> 01:07:59,501
with. With this series now that the. The person

1138
01:07:59,501 --> 01:08:07,061
who could keep Fisk Wilson, like, in check is not

1139
01:08:07,061 --> 01:08:10,861
there anymore. He's just gonna, you know, he. You

1140
01:08:10,861 --> 01:08:14,181
know, what. What, What. What we'll see next is

1141
01:08:14,181 --> 01:08:17,022
definitely going to be, I'm looking. I am looking

1142
01:08:17,022 --> 01:08:20,262
forward to these next few episodes as. As we. As

1143
01:08:20,262 --> 01:08:23,222
we get to them, because I. We. We will definitely

1144
01:08:23,222 --> 01:08:25,782
see the. The fallout from. From all of what

1145
01:08:25,782 --> 01:08:26,382
happened here.

1146
01:08:27,102 --> 01:08:30,422
Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. And. And I think what you're getting

1147
01:08:30,422 --> 01:08:33,602
at, is more like, for the first time in this show,

1148
01:08:33,602 --> 01:08:39,562
we will see this world without Vanessa Fist. World

1149
01:08:39,562 --> 01:08:41,922
without Vanessa. What? What is that? Because.

1150
01:08:42,992 --> 01:08:45,632
Yeah, yeah, she. The Governor thinks that she

1151
01:08:45,632 --> 01:08:48,432
keeps him in check, but she's been doing a lousy

1152
01:08:48,432 --> 01:08:52,712
job. I mean, look at it. Look at this whole thing.

1153
01:08:52,712 --> 01:08:55,512
I. I don't think she. I think that check is a

1154
01:08:55,512 --> 01:09:00,682
strong word. but he he will be different without

1155
01:09:00,762 --> 01:09:05,282
her. And that is where the intrigue comes. It's

1156
01:09:05,282 --> 01:09:07,362
also in the back of my mind, and I'm sure in

1157
01:09:07,362 --> 01:09:09,402
yours, too. Like, we're supposed to see some other

1158
01:09:09,402 --> 01:09:12,352
people. People. So get to get them. There are

1159
01:09:12,352 --> 01:09:15,472
some, some characters I'm waiting to appear and,

1160
01:09:15,952 --> 01:09:19,152
and that they don't, they don't end their names

1161
01:09:19,152 --> 01:09:22,472
with Castle. No, no, I'm. I'm waiting for a

1162
01:09:22,472 --> 01:09:25,272
Jessica Jones. Okay, thank you very much. And a

1163
01:09:25,272 --> 01:09:31,032
Mr. Luke Cage. So. Yeah. Well, on that note, Will,

1164
01:09:31,032 --> 01:09:32,832
why don't you tell our listeners where they can

1165
01:09:32,832 --> 01:09:33,392
find you?

1166
01:09:34,432 --> 01:09:38,242
Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at Will

1167
01:09:38,242 --> 01:09:40,922
and Polk. W I L L M P O

1168
01:09:40,922 --> 01:09:43,522
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1169
01:09:43,522 --> 01:09:46,402
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1174
01:09:55,082 --> 01:09:59,002
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01:09:59,002 --> 01:10:01,042
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