The Boys Season 5 Ep 4 + Daredevil Born Again S2 Ep 1-2 | Our Honest Reactions

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Greeting nerds, this is Scene NNerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont. And with me as

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always is our Mr. Producer. Will. Polk, how are you doing tonight? Will,

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doing very well, Sarah. Happy Thursday. Looking forward to,

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doing our Big Boys binge tonight.

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Yeah. Yeah. We'll get there.

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What was that?

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What? Yeah, I,

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just playing around with,

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playing around with some new music and stuff,

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just figured out, just drop it on, you see, see what was your reaction and, or, and

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also the audience's reaction. I,

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so yeah, that's, that's what that was

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because

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it was vaguely familiar

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But also a bit

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like nails on the chalkboard.

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Yeah. Yeah. So,

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so that's why I was really confused. And then, because I know you think about things

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that I'm like, I'm like, is he trying to subtly send a message to me, or is this,

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did I miss the part of the boys episode where they played this song?

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No, but there was copyright involved, so he had to like,

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do something over it. I was so confused.

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Yeah. No, I couldn't get that remix of a

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Homelanders Tell, tell Everyone to get the Fuck back. So,

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I did that, I did, that I used earlier in the week for our, just our, our, we we're

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back recording,

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our, our A

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show for, for, for the, the week and,

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what we're talking about. But yeah, I, yeah, I, I, I thought about, see if I could

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find that somewhere, but then I'll probably get a copyright strike, so.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Not that I won't get one with this one, but we'll see. Yeah, we'll see.

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'cause it does, it did sound really familiar Yeah. At the start, and then it quickly

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divulged into something else, which, yeah. I mean, hey, that's, that's all the pretense

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we need for a big boys binge. Yeah.

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Well, listeners,

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if you do,

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let, let me know in the comments if you're listening, watching us or listen to us

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on YouTube and on our socials as far as,

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apple and Spotify and the other, other platforms.

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what, what, what are your thoughts?

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maybe I'll drop, maybe I'll drop a poll or something and keep it, drop it,

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you know, so let us

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know.

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Let us know.

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all right. So we are going to talk about the first three episodes of The Boys Final

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Season, season Five.

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and, and I think to start the conversation,

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I just have a, I have a question. Yeah.

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and it's about Home Lander,

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because we tend to predominantly talk about home when it comes to this show.

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Yeah. But

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what, in watching these three episodes,

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especially the first two

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Third one, I kind of, I kind of fell into the rhythm a bit more, but the first two,

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something, something struck me as different from when I was watching previous seasons

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of the Boys,

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and it's been a while since

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the Homeland storyline. I'm not saying it wasn't interesting.

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My question is mainly though, did, is it played out?

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How many scenes of psychosis

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can they insert into an episode where I'm just like,

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didn't we see this like five minutes ago

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or two seasons ago? And I understand there's an escalation in all of that,

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I don't know, for some reason, the first two episodes, arguably, I thought Homeland

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was, to an extent, some of the, like, the more boring stuff. And I was actually more

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interested in what the actual boys were doing for the first time ever,

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because it's just, it's just, for some reason, I'm just, I'm thinking about previous

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seasons and I'm like, yeah, we, we've, the, the Milk bit, in my opinion, has become

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a bit dry.

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Yeah. Yeah. So, so I just, I just, for some reason, those two, and then again, I

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say that specifically about the first two episodes last night when I watched the

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third one.

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And it, and, and I, and I know the difference

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when he has more scenes, like in the third episode, he has a lot more scenes with

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specifically Soldier Boy

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and, and Ryan. And, and he, he does have a few scenes with other characters in the

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first one, but we've gotten to a point where they have to be very, the writers have

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to be very

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critical about who they put in a room with, with Homeland,

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considering this is the final season, and there's only one or two ways this can go.

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So he can only interact with so many people,

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if you catch my drift. So, but I don't know how you felt about,

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him in this, in these first three episodes of the final season.

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so I, I think just overall with the first three episodes, so

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I, I have to say for me,

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it, I broke up one and two instead of watching a Back to Back. I, I, I, so I watched

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them on different days because

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after,

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I will say when I watched the first episode,

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one of my

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big takeaways for me at least, was I felt like it was getting back to

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their roots as far as just,

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yeah, you have, you, you,

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we all know. I mean, hell, this, you know, with

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speaking of the Home Lander, I mean,

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you know, this is, I'm just gonna put it out there. I mean, you know, we, we, we,

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the meme of

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and, and the show, and of course the whole Jesus bit with Trump this week. I mean,

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part of it, maybe, maybe it's just with Homeland

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reality and, and, and sanity reality and the insanity of this show blends so much

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at this point that, to me, the shock value of a lot of these things

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don't like

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it. I mean, it is one of those strings for me where it's just like, okay,

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you know, what happens in real life and what happens on this show? Or like,

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you know, the satire of it all is getting harder and harder to,

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distinguish because it's just the headlines sometimes,

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just overtake the events of the show. So, to get into my point about when I started

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watching the first episode, and getting back to,

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to some of the other elements, and to your point

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where the

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boys,

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the team was in a lot of respects, more

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was more interesting than say, last season, right? Because I think last season was,

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it, was it, it, it, it, it got off the rails with, with them. So

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it, we talked about that. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, yeah, I think this, I think these

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episodes really got back to really focusing more on the, on the character aspects

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and the, and, and the arcs of these characters and things. Because it is the final

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season, and we only have eight episodes this season. We're not gonna waste time

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with just, just

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dilly dally in around about the, you know, we're, we're getting these characters

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to where they need to be, so that when this series ends,

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whoever's left,

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alive at that point,

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we,

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we, we, we have, you know, we have

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finalized their story. And, and, like, for example, even looking about, thinking

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about this third episode this week with Kako, and

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Well, well, can I, I

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just, yeah. Can I just touch on something you've brought up before we get into like

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Yeah. Those characters specifically?

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because I completely agree with you. I, I, I think that it is a return to basics,

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but it's also that the,

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in a way they have done a very good job structure structuring the story across these

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five seasons to where now that

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we, as viewers know, it's the fifth season

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in these three episodes, very much the characters themselves, there's a lot of conversations

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about next. It's like, okay, so we do this, we kill Homeland,

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and then the question remains what next? Yeah. And if we do this, will others die?

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And, and is that okay? Or how can we prevent that from happening? But still, the

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question remains

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what is next for these

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Like, the story itself

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is coming to an end, and you can feel that with, in terms of the vendetta itself,

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that started this whole thing. Yep. So, I, I, I really appreciate that, because that

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just tells me that there's,

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there's an awareness and there's a purpose to how this, this season will play out.

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And, and before we get into the boys, I do also want to go back to what you were

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talking about in terms of like the, the satire of Homeland, because I agree with

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you. I think, I don't think it's hard to distinguish. I think it's more like

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the first few seasons when this was happening, we were like, oh my God. Yeah. Wow.

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And now fifth season, it's like, yeah, well, what did you expect?

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Like, yeah, that's going to happen.

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Yeah. I honestly, the, the mo the more funny thing is Soldier Boys response to everything

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is Oh, yes, yes. Yeah. So, like the, the father son Dynamics at play, the third episode

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is my favorite episode, if you haven't figured that out yet. Yeah.

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But the father son Dynamics at play in that third episode

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was just

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brilliant.

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Yeah. And just the,

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you're a fucking weirdo, just thought you couldn't get more weird. You're literally

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in a bath of milk, you're taking a bath of milk, which too, like, if you remove Soldier

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Boy from that scene, I'm just like, oh my God, not this shit again. This has like,

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come on, go to a different, well, literally,

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but, but they inserted Soldier Boy, and you're like, no, no, this is, this is brilliant,

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because he is just so much in this state. But you also parallel that with this, this

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other thing that they explore really well in terms of,

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he, he, he witnesses how much control over the government

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Homeland has. Yeah. And that's power that he has never had before.

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And which, which, which in turn, then Homeland becomes envious of the immortality

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that Soldier Boy has, that we learn about in these three episodes. Yeah.

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but my God, and,

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to push it one step further, because you also brought up like

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somewhat of the spectacle, and

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the, the two most compelling moments in these three episodes for me is the ending

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fight scene, if you wanna call it that, between Homeland and Ryan.

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And the third episode,

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and the ending fight scene between Homeland

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and a Train in the first episode.

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Like, and, and I, and I've, like, we've seen so many people die

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throughout these, these five seasons.

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Why do these two moments stick out? And I know Ryan's still alive. He he wasn't complete.

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He's not completely dead. No. But

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Adrian, specifically watching that first episode, and to end it like that, no song

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is played.

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Homeland has all these powers, right?

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In that moment with a train,

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all he does is just snap his neck.

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Which arguably later we even see Annie snap someone's neck.

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Like, there's a,

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there's, you have all these powers, and yet you use arguably the most basic one to

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kill this other person. And then fast forward to the third episode where you get

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into this confrontation with your own son,

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and, and you just start to physically beat him.

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which,

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which, again, you have all these powers, but you're using the thing that cau would

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cause the most pain and punishment

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on your own son. So, so like, that stuff is fascinating to me. And I think really,

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and I will say, when I say fascinating, I also mean, I, there were parts, I, I couldn't

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watch the full scene because I just, the idea of a stronger man beating

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a little boy, and I know he's grown up, but I'm like, I don't, I don't like this

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at all.

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Yeah. Yeah. It, yeah. That, that, I think you hit the nail on the head with that,

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the, the, the, the, the,

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to, with your point about

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these are superpower beings,

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but Right. Do,

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but doing it in the most vicious way and to inflict pain, and, you know, and the,

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and, and, and, and so I think that's what makes it so

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resonant as far as like

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the, the viciousness of, of Homeland. But also to your point too, with, with Annie,

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and as far as

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with, with, with, with these,

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the, the duality with,

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with the, with both the boys and the seven and, and, and the homeland in particular,

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where e each each step with these three episodes, we see him becoming more, less,

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and less attached to his humanity.

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Who, so that we homeowner,

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when was he attached to his humanity?

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you know,

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well, I think, well, I think that's the, I think that's what, why that at the end

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of the third episode, why it just hits so much

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harder? Pardon? No, no pun intended.

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But,

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you know, whenever

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he,

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he, you know, there was, there were moments where with Ryan, he would not, he wouldn't,

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he, he, he, he always kept himself in check, you know, where, where, where, where.

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'cause look at

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how, you know, how he would like treat,

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say, firecracker or some other characters, whether he may not kill them, but he's

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just very dismissive of them,

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and their feelings, or, or, or, you know, how he looks, how he peaks the Deep,

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versus Ryan, who's the one person. He does

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have some

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in Homelanders warped sense of empathy.

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He, he had, you know, he had for him,

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well, it's his, it's his son. It's very similar to Hi, what's been,

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drawn out with his relationship with Soldier Boy, because in the second episode,

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he literally sends Soldier Boy on a suicide mission.

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Yeah.

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But, but it's warped because it's also,

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I am in need of love and attention, like unwavering love and attention. I can only

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get that from family. So I'm gonna wake up my father

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And then immediately send him on a suicide.

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I am, I'm going to have this confrontation with my son and who's going to attack

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me. And even though I'm stronger than him, I'm so angry and upset.

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And this is probably why that scene works the way it does, is because

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child abuse occurs like in everyday life.

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And that literally is what we were witnessing because Ryan was being punished for

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acting out against his father. Yeah. Yeah. And,

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and instead of like,

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lasering him or doing something with any of these spectacle powers, he literally

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is just like face

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to face. Yeah. Yeah. Which is interesting too, because yeah. It truly is that fatherhood

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as control and not love in that respect.

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But, but also, you know, thinking back with

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to the earlier episode when Butcher, I think it was episode one, when Butcher goes

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to see his old man, Y

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two,

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I think it's,

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is it two,

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continue and I'll, I'll figure it out. Yeah, yeah. But,

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I go back and look at the notes, but Yeah. But my point is, that's just one. You're

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right. Yeah.

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but, you know, but that same, you know, we, we know, we know that Butcher was abused

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as a child,

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and with his brother and, and, you know, so,

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and how, and, and, you know, how's that, you know, how has that, that abuse ended

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up shaping Butcher and how he, you know, how he reacts to things and stuff, so that,

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that cycle, that cycle of generational abuse and, and, and control.

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So it, it is just,

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it, it,

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you know, so what, while Homelanders trying to, you know, frame, you know,

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call

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it, is trying to shape Ryan into him,

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as,

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as, as far as being a little mini homeland,

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you know,

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this is, you know, the only

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this is might be the only way he knows how to do it. Right? Rightly, wrongly.

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Well, I see, I don't, I don't think,

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because Ryan, Ryan got away, right? Yeah. Yeah. And he was on the run, and like that

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relationship, I don't, I don't see this whole, this scene being about trying to shape

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him. I think it, oh, no, it's more about

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this,

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this juxtaposition or this issue that Homeland

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continues to have, no matter how powerful he is, no matter how much, like he will

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never experience the, the love of,

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of the love of, of, of his parents.

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And in the same token as he's fa figured out over the few seasons with Ryan, he will

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never be loved as a father.

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No.

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Especially as Ryan confronts him and calls him out and says, you, you raped my mom.

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Like

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I am not, I am not the product of a loving relationship. Now, at the same time,

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I could understand, and I know this is a stretch, because I'm gonna say the unspeakable,

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I can understand from Homeland's perspective how he probably doesn't view it as rape,

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because he does not,

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because she probably did say Yes, not, and he wasn't thinking, oh, she's only saying

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yes, because it's either that or I kill her.

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So

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like, like to, to him, consent was given,

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so, right. Yeah.

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Yeah. So, but it's, it's,

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it's knowing that Ryan has that different version

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and that because he's views it in that other context,

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he's realized he's,

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he's, he will always be the villain in Ryan's story.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I mean, yeah, I completely agree. Yeah. And it, it,

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yeah, he is the villain in Ryan's story. I mean, and, and to your point about,

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the assault on, on,

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Ryan's mother

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Yeah. You know, it wasn't, again,

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is is his, his his

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desire for control. I mean, that's essentially what this is. So,

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and he's always seeking that, you know, and then going back to Ryan, and

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even though

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even at this point, he's probably at his most dominant, you know, the cracks are,

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are there,

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you know,

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because he's seeking that validation from Ryan, and then when Ryan, like you said,

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threw it back in his face about what he is, who, who, who he really is.

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And when it,

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it just, it, it shattered him because he's just,

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he, he, you know, he, he,

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again, like we've seen

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throughout these, these episodes, every time something happens to people, he quote

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and home, you know, he quote unquote, loves

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they die, or, or things happen to them. And, and he's like, well, why did, you know,

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why, why, why? And he's just, you know, he's, he, he just

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doesn't realize that,

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you know, it's,

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it's his,

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it's his actions that are, that are causing these things, but his, but again, blaming

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everybody else for his failures. Right, right. And it's also,

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to an extent,

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to go back to Butcher. I mean, they, they very purposely had that scene of him going,

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killing his father.

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And, and then

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you are also, we're also confronted with Maverick, translucent son. Yeah. And you

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have, and we know Huey also played a part in the killing of his own father.

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Yeah. Yeah. There is a lot of killing,

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lot of Pat

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thought in this show. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Fathers and Sons beware. Okay. Yeah.

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I mean, I like how the third episode is called,

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the Son,

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every one of You Sons of Bitches. And in my mind, I'm like, well, I could have named

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it every one of you Sons of Assholes.

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This is really about fathers and sons, but Butcher is also,

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and I think this is why the, the stuff with the actual

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boys

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arguably was a little bit more interesting, and then had a little bit more, more

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momentum going on in these first three episodes for me. Mm.

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but it was because

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consequences,

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because we're in the final season.

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Yeah. I didn't get a sense of, we, we've always been on the same mission.

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Yeah. Prince Day one, kill Homeland, kill Homer. So, wrapping up loose threads, that's

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kind of like, I don't know about that. We're still on the priority number,

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but what we're more seeing is these people

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encountering the consequences of seasons worth of actions

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With the, with the idea, with the righteousness that it'll all be worth it because

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we're gonna save the world and kill homeland.

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Yeah. I mean, at this point, five seasons later, we're witnessing Butcher who can't

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even go into the safe house of, or Stan, Stan Edgar's safe House, because he is,

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he killed his daughter, and Zoe is on a vendetta against him. And even, even Huey

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and Annie question, if they could, if they should even be aligned with him. And yet

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he is still,

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he

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even as on, on the V, he is

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more and more like homeland. People are more afraid of him. The moment, a moment

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with Frenchie that stuck out to me is when,

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butcher was about to attack Kamiko. And Frenchie, who has no powers, but understands

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the leverage and understands that Butcher is not completely insane. It's just like,

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no, no, no,

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you do not butcher, or I do not make new virus. Okay, bye-bye. Bye-bye. Yeah.

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This is my one token, and I shall play it. Okay. Yep. Yep.

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So, but, but my point being is that

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the,

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the heroes,

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because they're facing consequences, and because the end is near the whatever happens,

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the, the, this won't continue forever.

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It's kinda

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like, okay, so was it all worth it?

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Yeah. And Will and will it be all worth it?

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Because Yeah. And I think that's what we're really seeing,

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happening, like in Annie's mind.

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For sure. For sure. Yeah. I mean, I think she, she's definitely feeling that,

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you know, and even, you know,

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thinking about, you know, going back to Frenchie and Annie, where else,

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not French and Annie fr Frenchie and,

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Kako, and, you know, to your about,

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because I know it was very fru. I know you were very frustrated with that storyline

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last season, but I think we are getting the payoff, you know, now, you know, Camico

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is speaking, which I love everybody's reactions when they, when they see her. Like,

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you can talk now, you know?

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but,

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one of the things that stood out to me in the third episode, especially as we talk

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about wrapping up story, is, you know, Frenchy, she,

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it really is you,

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like what you just said, really is playing out there because, you know, Frenchie

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is like,

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doesn't,

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you know, when this all all said and done, he, he wants to just go to a nice island,

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get away from it all, travel the world. Kamika was like, you know, you dont wanna

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start a family and, and put down roots. And, you know, because,

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because in her, her, in her mind, this is her, I guess

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validation or may this, all of this taking out the, the E Homeland

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and, and, and Vault is worth it because I will have a better world where I will feel

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comfortable bringing, bringing a child and bringing a family into this world. Because

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what we're doing is making a difference.

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And, and also

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for the last few seasons, that is all she or, and Frenchie has known

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Is being on the run. Yeah. Like, yeah, you're not, you're not on vacations. Yeah.

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But you're literally traveling around

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and it's just like the stability that a home and Roots would allow.

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I think that's what she's craving.

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I'm, I'm a bit on the fence about Kamiko talking this season.

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However, the, in the third episode as, as I keep going back to, there was the line

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about like

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enough with the porn.

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Yeah.

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I was like, I was at like, but my favorite, my favorite line in any of these three

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episodes has to be, and, and I'm, I'm blanking on who, who said it, but,

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when they referred to Stan Edgar, I think it was Mothers Milk as the Black, Mr. Spock,

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I was like,

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that is genius. I never thought about that. But yes, I see it, and I can't, I can't

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unsee slash hear it now. Yeah. I can't either. I can't either. Yeah. It was so good.

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That was, that was very good that the whole, the whole scene between Mothers milk

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and, and Stan too

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again,

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was a, was a very,

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that was another scene that stood out to me in, in the third episode,

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with,

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you know, you have two African American males and you know, you have Stan, you know,

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you know, we, we learned about Mothers Milk's father being an advocate and a,

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and a and

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fighting for civil rights and stuff. And then they're having their inter their back

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and forth and, you know, stance is basically like, you know, yeah. Well, we, you

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know,

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we, you know,

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your dad spent all these hours and stuff,

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you know, fighting these cases and keeping lawyers busy and da da da da da. And,

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and, but it, but, but, you know, the Mother's miracle's, like, well, again, to my

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earlier point about is this worth it? He, you know, he, he thinks this, you know,

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this is the, you know, everybody has their motivations. And, and so

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for, for Mother's Milk to continue this fight, you know, he, he, he, he does want

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to take down the, the, the evil corporation and stands over there already, like,

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you know, his, his means to an end here is getting rid of Home Lander and helping

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'em to do this is not because of any altruistic thing. He's just trying to like,

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you know, claim, claim the reins of power and

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hold up this, the system. And you know, that,

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and, you know, they talk about how, you know, in stand size, we're both cogs in a

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will, and we have a role in all, you know,

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we, I have a, yeah. We have a role in keeping this machine going. So I, it was just

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very interesting just sort of seeing the, you know, two people of color having,

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having this discussion and, you know, and, and from different political perspectives,

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you know,

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that you would, you would, you would think, you know, it gets to the, gets to me

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was kind of one of those things where all, you know,

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skin folk and kinfolk

471
00:25:11,230 --> 00:25:14,20
when I, when I was watching that sort of interplay, you know, happen between the

472
00:25:14,20 --> 00:25:14,440
two of them.

473
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,310
Yeah. I, I really enjoyed the scene as well,

474
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:20,200
because Mother's milk

475
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,980
for these first three episodes is in a very different place.

476
00:25:23,980 --> 00:25:28,810
Very different place. And you can see it both physically and through his actions

477
00:25:28,810 --> 00:25:34,990
and the drinking and other stuff. You, you just like know that even he is gone, like

478
00:25:34,990 --> 00:25:40,540
these characters are not the same as when we met them in the first season. Right.

479
00:25:40,540 --> 00:25:45,160
And that's really being highlighted here in the start of the final season.

480
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,420
And that tells me, like, oh, we have been on a journey.

481
00:25:48,420 --> 00:25:48,600
Yeah.

482
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,600
but to go back to this scene in particular, a few things,

483
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:57,300
my notes, game of Thrones. Okay. Yeah. Anybody except for Will, 'cause he hasn't

484
00:25:57,510 --> 00:26:01,200
seen these seasons, but there's a scene between Denarius and

485
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:01,860
Tarian,

486
00:26:01,860 --> 00:26:08,730
that forever I will, anytime someone references cogs in a Wheel, I go to that scene

487
00:26:08,730 --> 00:26:14,250
because they, they're talking about the Game of Thrones. They are talking about this

488
00:26:14,250 --> 00:26:20,370
machine and, and these families. And now as Will has watched House of Dragon

489
00:26:20,370 --> 00:26:22,140
And neither of the Seven Kingdoms.

490
00:26:22,140 --> 00:26:27,630
Yeah. You can go 200 years and the the cog is still there.

491
00:26:27,630 --> 00:26:32,40
Yeah. In the machine. It doesn't matter which family is on top, because it just keeps,

492
00:26:32,40 --> 00:26:34,620
it continues to be a game. And,

493
00:26:34,620 --> 00:26:38,490
so my mind instantly goes there. But I also,

494
00:26:38,490 --> 00:26:42,150
I, from my perspective in this exchange,

495
00:26:42,150 --> 00:26:45,450
because it's also coming off of this realization

496
00:26:45,450 --> 00:26:47,40
that now

497
00:26:47,40 --> 00:26:54,360
yes, mothers Mon has been after Homeland, however, his big, like, I need to kill

498
00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:56,880
him is Soldier Boy, unless I'm mistaken.

499
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:03,870
And, and so, and so the, this conversation occurs after the realization that,

500
00:27:03,870 --> 00:27:07,770
and the explanation that Soldier Boy was injected with V one

501
00:27:07,770 --> 00:27:15,610
The, the best and most pristine version, and no, it does not transfer to your children.

502
00:27:15,610 --> 00:27:16,30
Nope. So

503
00:27:16,30 --> 00:27:17,800
you embryos are fucked.

504
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:17,980
Yep.

505
00:27:17,980 --> 00:27:22,840
Like it's this supreme DNA version for a superhero to have.

506
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,550
and it basically allows for immortality. And so that idea, like, I've been after

507
00:27:27,550 --> 00:27:33,910
this person who you're now telling me I cannot kill, and then Stan needs to do another

508
00:27:33,910 --> 00:27:36,400
one up and be like, even if you kill him,

509
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,140
VA still will live.

510
00:27:38,140 --> 00:27:44,950
Yep. And, and so it doesn't matter which one of these soups and that,

511
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:49,120
you take out, VA continues to live now, then again,

512
00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:53,590
and, and he does even say this, like even if you take out all the soups with this

513
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:54,400
virus,

514
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:55,540
good and bad,

515
00:27:55,540 --> 00:28:01,990
the corporation is still a corporation essentially saying, our economy is what makes

516
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:03,460
the world a horrible place.

517
00:28:03,460 --> 00:28:05,770
It was a pretty blister critique of capitalism.

518
00:28:05,770 --> 00:28:06,440
Capitalism

519
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,730
is what makes the world go round, yet also go to hell.

520
00:28:10,730 --> 00:28:10,910
Yep.

521
00:28:10,910 --> 00:28:11,540
Good product at

522
00:28:11,540 --> 00:28:12,60
the end of the day,

523
00:28:12,60 --> 00:28:13,770
just the product, which,

524
00:28:13,770 --> 00:28:15,600
goes back to season one, I think. Yeah. Well,

525
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,100
yeah, product,

526
00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:24,110
it, it goes back to season one. We've, we see it in, in Gen V for those two seasons.

527
00:28:24,110 --> 00:28:25,100
but, but yeah.

528
00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:26,630
there was that scene.

529
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:31,190
we haven't talked a lot about Annie and Huey. I, I do wanna say,

530
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:32,30
I, I guess

531
00:28:32,30 --> 00:28:32,600
for me,

532
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,110
their relationship kind of slows things down.

533
00:28:36,110 --> 00:28:36,620
Yeah, yeah. It does.

534
00:28:36,620 --> 00:28:37,280
It does.

535
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,90
Yeah. And I'm like,

536
00:28:38,90 --> 00:28:43,130
I dunno why, like, everyone else is moving and grooving to an extent, but

537
00:28:43,130 --> 00:28:49,130
I don't, I feel like we've seen this tango before, and, but I did like it in season,

538
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:54,920
in the episode three when not only she snaps the neck, but then it's kind of like,

539
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,130
I, when Huey, you're, when you're here with me,

540
00:28:58,130 --> 00:29:01,880
I do the most horrible things because I need to protect you.

541
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:07,480
So you're not making this, this situation any easier for me by being here.

542
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,440
You make it worse. And then the question is, well then why did he help break him

543
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,490
out of the Freedom Camps? Yes. And yet you needed Frenchy. You really Yeah. You needed

544
00:29:16,490 --> 00:29:21,220
Frenchy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Which she did make a choice. It was a very strong choice

545
00:29:21,220 --> 00:29:22,240
to, to get,

546
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:28,150
Huey out there. So I feel like it's, it's, we're, we're gonna get some future really

547
00:29:28,150 --> 00:29:31,660
good scenes with them. Yeah. It's just was the start was a little,

548
00:29:31,660 --> 00:29:35,260
rough there where I was like, okay, come on. Yeah. Sounds melodramatic.

549
00:29:35,260 --> 00:29:39,490
Yeah. That, that, that's a good way to put it was very, very melodramatic and

550
00:29:39,490 --> 00:29:39,640
Yeah.

551
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:40,240
For,

552
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:45,820
yeah, for me it was just like, okay, we've been around this. Yeah. We've been around

553
00:29:45,820 --> 00:29:46,360
around.

554
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,150
I think to your point though, we did get some

555
00:29:49,150 --> 00:29:55,150
mo forward momentum with the story wise with her snapping the, the soup's neck there.

556
00:29:55,150 --> 00:30:00,370
and, and then, so of course the question is, is she gonna fly off to, to, to get

557
00:30:00,370 --> 00:30:00,730
the,

558
00:30:00,730 --> 00:30:04,540
Marie and the, you know, some of the other kids from Gen V, because, you know, we've

559
00:30:04,540 --> 00:30:08,380
had these, we've had for, for folks who haven't watched Gen V, you know, they've

560
00:30:08,380 --> 00:30:11,140
been dropping these names of characters like Marie and others,

561
00:30:11,140 --> 00:30:12,670
or, or, or having,

562
00:30:12,670 --> 00:30:14,200
Maverick come over,

563
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:14,950
to,

564
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:16,890
to, to tie the two, two things to

565
00:30:16,890 --> 00:30:17,820
shows together,

566
00:30:17,820 --> 00:30:18,900
beyond, you know, but

567
00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:23,490
so she going off to do that or she just, you know, or is she going back to what some

568
00:30:23,490 --> 00:30:26,340
of the things that she was really struggling with before as far as when they were

569
00:30:26,340 --> 00:30:27,780
talking about Breaking Huey out of the,

570
00:30:27,780 --> 00:30:31,470
out of the prison to begin with, where, you know, maybe the safest place for him

571
00:30:31,470 --> 00:30:36,510
is to be in that be, you know, is to be there not, or us to be apart basically.

572
00:30:36,510 --> 00:30:41,40
because, because at that point she said she has that strong protective streak for

573
00:30:41,40 --> 00:30:41,340
him.

574
00:30:41,340 --> 00:30:41,760
she,

575
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,90
you know, she will literally kill for him. But that to that point though,

576
00:30:45,90 --> 00:30:50,160
well, they'll, they'll kill for each other. But at the end of the day, Annie clearly

577
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,420
made a choice

578
00:30:51,420 --> 00:30:53,190
At, in the first episode. Like,

579
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:58,710
to me, it's homeland over even my own life. And even over yours. Yeah. Yeah,

580
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:59,430
yeah. Yeah. So,

581
00:30:59,430 --> 00:31:04,650
so, and I think she's still trying to reconcile that with herself because the closer

582
00:31:04,650 --> 00:31:11,550
you get to actually killing, like executing that, knowing your own life is at a risk,

583
00:31:11,550 --> 00:31:13,860
are you really willing to give that up?

584
00:31:13,860 --> 00:31:19,540
And or may maybe she's also trying to put a distance because she knows, like by sacrificing

585
00:31:19,540 --> 00:31:20,350
herself,

586
00:31:20,350 --> 00:31:21,450
Huey's left alone.

587
00:31:21,450 --> 00:31:21,690
Yeah.

588
00:31:21,690 --> 00:31:23,430
So like,

589
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:28,480
I, I think, yeah, there, there's, there's a lot. Now will they explore all that we

590
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,270
have yet to see, but they got five episodes.

591
00:31:31,270 --> 00:31:33,400
Yeah, we got five. We got five to go.

592
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:33,690
Okay.

593
00:31:33,690 --> 00:31:39,830
I'm so glad I did not watch like, really any previews, any trailers for this final

594
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:41,480
season. I already knew we were gonna watch it,

595
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:46,460
because I was totally caught off guard when I saw, oh, father, oh,

596
00:31:46,460 --> 00:31:46,750
it's,

597
00:31:46,750 --> 00:31:49,680
it's sad. And then I was like, yeah, that, that is,

598
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:49,920
yep.

599
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:55,650
He's just having the time of his life. He's like, I'm like, man, you take the man

600
00:31:55,650 --> 00:31:56,610
out of Hamilton.

601
00:31:56,610 --> 00:31:59,310
He just goes right back in, in soup form.

602
00:31:59,310 --> 00:32:03,300
Just so good. I I love seeing him. I love that he is married to Ashley, who's also

603
00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:06,930
the vice president and also is seeing, talking to

604
00:32:06,930 --> 00:32:08,130
the back of her head,

605
00:32:08,130 --> 00:32:08,820
yeah. For,

606
00:32:08,820 --> 00:32:09,750
with, with every,

607
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:10,560
yeah. Everything,

608
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,510
fire firecracker.

609
00:32:12,510 --> 00:32:13,20
Okay.

610
00:32:13,20 --> 00:32:18,420
So to go back to the third episode Yeah. Yeah. There was, or, or maybe this happened

611
00:32:18,420 --> 00:32:19,380
in the second episode,

612
00:32:19,380 --> 00:32:20,100
storm Front.

613
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:27,600
There, did you catch this little something that happens when it's brought up that

614
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:32,220
Storm Front who Soldier Boy would have known as Liberty?

615
00:32:32,220 --> 00:32:32,280
Yeah.

616
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:39,930
that, that she also had V one and Yeah. And I, I'm pretty sure even Homeland clocked

617
00:32:39,930 --> 00:32:45,630
it, like the reaction to that name Liberty or, or

618
00:32:45,630 --> 00:32:49,830
her, I think they used her actual name in that instance Yeah. To Soldier Blood. Like

619
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:51,270
they clearly hooked up. Yeah,

620
00:32:51,270 --> 00:32:52,120
yeah. Yeah. So then

621
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:58,270
fast forward to the scene where Firecracker and Soldier Boy are in bed together and

622
00:32:58,270 --> 00:33:02,240
firecracker and bits. Yeah. I've never actually slept with your son. Yeah.

623
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:02,420
And so I'm like,

624
00:33:02,420 --> 00:33:06,950
yeah, yeah. But he has definitely slept with someone you have slept with,

625
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:07,170
so

626
00:33:07,170 --> 00:33:08,760
I don't think we're out of this.

627
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:13,680
but, but I, that, that scene is probably one of my favorite scenes from Firecracker

628
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:20,340
because she, she admits never sleeping to Soldier Boy, but she also

629
00:33:20,340 --> 00:33:22,830
kind of explains to him

630
00:33:22,830 --> 00:33:27,150
his own relationship to his son because

631
00:33:27,150 --> 00:33:29,400
For, for an entire episode. It's just like,

632
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:35,490
you are the weirdest fucking person on the planet. And yet, and, and you, and I think

633
00:33:35,490 --> 00:33:41,100
it's also him processing the fact that his own son sent him on that suicide mission.

634
00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:41,340
Yeah. Yeah. And,

635
00:33:41,340 --> 00:33:46,650
and then reconciling that with like, oh, he doesn't care about me. Oh, no. Actually

636
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,570
he cares a lot about you. Yeah.

637
00:33:48,570 --> 00:33:48,860
Yeah.

638
00:33:48,860 --> 00:33:56,960
but he, he's all screwed up. And, and so I, I just, the, it was a really interesting

639
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,730
moment because

640
00:33:58,730 --> 00:34:02,300
firecracker, we haven't seen,

641
00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:06,990
we haven't been able to see a lot more of her,

642
00:34:06,990 --> 00:34:09,150
actually understanding

643
00:34:09,150 --> 00:34:10,500
what's really going on.

644
00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:14,550
Yeah. She, if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. I think

645
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:14,670
it

646
00:34:14,670 --> 00:34:15,660
is, you know, again,

647
00:34:15,660 --> 00:34:16,500
try not to like

648
00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:18,330
do too many parallels to the real world.

649
00:34:18,330 --> 00:34:22,830
But, but I mean, it, but it, it is sort of like in the, in the, in the, what we're

650
00:34:22,830 --> 00:34:25,500
seeing happen in the, in the MAGA movement,

651
00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:26,580
here with

652
00:34:26,580 --> 00:34:28,560
very prop. I, I think the, the, the

653
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,250
analog for me for firecracker is Marjorie Taylor Green

654
00:34:32,250 --> 00:34:34,260
and her and her separation from Trump.

655
00:34:34,260 --> 00:34:36,360
and I see firecracker

656
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,370
in, in that, in that somewhat in that role where she was a true believer

657
00:34:40,370 --> 00:34:42,470
all, you know, and, and had a, had,

658
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:42,890
was

659
00:34:42,890 --> 00:34:46,970
doing the thing as far as getting, being a messenger and all that kind of stuff.

660
00:34:46,970 --> 00:34:51,20
And, you know, and as she, you know, and, and, you know, all these, all these soups

661
00:34:51,80 --> 00:34:52,160
and, and, and Vault,

662
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:52,820
all want,

663
00:34:52,820 --> 00:34:55,370
you know, power and, and, and, and, you know,

664
00:34:55,370 --> 00:34:57,80
you know, their various motivations for,

665
00:34:57,80 --> 00:35:01,730
you know, climbing the, climbing a corporate ladder. But, you know, I think Firecracker

666
00:35:01,730 --> 00:35:03,860
is starting to, you know, see the realization that

667
00:35:03,860 --> 00:35:05,300
again, you know, she's

668
00:35:05,300 --> 00:35:06,440
just a, she's just a,

669
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,410
she, she, she's not going to get what she wants.

670
00:35:09,410 --> 00:35:13,740
And, and her and, and Homelanders just basically like, you know, treat, you know,

671
00:35:13,740 --> 00:35:17,610
like I said earlier, just treats her like, like dirt, you know? Especially now that

672
00:35:17,610 --> 00:35:21,150
her usefulness is no longer there for him because she can't

673
00:35:21,150 --> 00:35:21,930
produce the,

674
00:35:21,930 --> 00:35:24,90
you know, she can't produce the, all the breast milk for him.

675
00:35:24,90 --> 00:35:28,710
So, you know, he, he's used her up and he just spit her out. And so now I think she's

676
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:30,00
like realizing that. So,

677
00:35:30,00 --> 00:35:34,980
you know, so, but you're right. I mean, the conversation that, that she and, and

678
00:35:34,980 --> 00:35:36,180
Soldier Boy have there,

679
00:35:36,180 --> 00:35:40,320
after they hook up is, is very, very illuminating for, for both characters.

680
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,330
you know, 'cause you know, gets he,

681
00:35:42,330 --> 00:35:43,950
you know, we, we definitely,

682
00:35:43,950 --> 00:35:46,290
you know, soldier Boy, like a mid midwife slept wither.

683
00:35:46,290 --> 00:35:49,620
He is. I just wanted to like, you know, fuck with his head. And,

684
00:35:49,620 --> 00:35:53,490
and, and, and so I, I thought that was a really good, that that was another, another

685
00:35:53,490 --> 00:35:54,750
very revealing scene as well.

686
00:35:54,750 --> 00:36:01,860
Yeah. I, I just, I think that she to an extent has always understood that the political

687
00:36:01,860 --> 00:36:02,520
game of

688
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:02,670
Yeah.

689
00:36:02,670 --> 00:36:08,820
and she's still playing it. She's very similar to Ashley. Yeah. I, for me, the scene

690
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,10
stood out because

691
00:36:11,10 --> 00:36:11,400
it is,

692
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:18,00
we've had this, this scene is only scene I recall where she isn't doing the satire

693
00:36:18,00 --> 00:36:18,300
bit.

694
00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:22,870
Yeah. She, she isn't playing that of, of us. She's actually

695
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:25,30
in that moment just saying

696
00:36:25,30 --> 00:36:27,820
soup to soup person to person.

697
00:36:27,820 --> 00:36:33,310
This is actually how your son views you, and this is how your son views me. And this

698
00:36:33,310 --> 00:36:40,220
is the reality of who we are, not as sups, but as quote unquote people. People. Yeah.

699
00:36:40,220 --> 00:36:43,830
if you could, if you could qualify Homeland as a person, yeah. I don't know. It's

700
00:36:43,830 --> 00:36:44,550
still debatable,

701
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:48,660
but, but one thing too about this weird, this dynamic that,

702
00:36:48,660 --> 00:36:51,120
soldier Boy and Liberty and Homeland

703
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:52,200
as far as this triangle,

704
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,280
you know, Soter boy still does, does not know that she was the Nazi,

705
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,950
you know, when they hooked up. 'cause you know, she, you know, so because Stormfront

706
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:59,940
was, was,

707
00:36:59,940 --> 00:37:02,340
you know, of course he knows her about Liberty, and of course Liberty was,

708
00:37:02,340 --> 00:37:04,290
Vaught, the, the OG Vaught,

709
00:37:04,290 --> 00:37:05,460
that was, it was his wife.

710
00:37:05,460 --> 00:37:07,770
right, right. Yeah. So,

711
00:37:07,770 --> 00:37:11,100
Homeland of course is what, you know, he did discover that

712
00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:15,90
she, who, you know, who she really, who she, who she really is.

713
00:37:15,90 --> 00:37:16,890
and it was kind of repulsed by it,

714
00:37:16,890 --> 00:37:19,80
which is, which was very interesting because,

715
00:37:19,80 --> 00:37:20,910
but I ironically, you know, he was trying to,

716
00:37:20,910 --> 00:37:23,700
you know, he was hopeful that, you know, Ryan was gonna like,

717
00:37:23,700 --> 00:37:27,390
do the equivalent of the, of the Hitler youth, you know, with, with as far as,

718
00:37:27,390 --> 00:37:30,870
you know, being a messenger for, for the, for the young people,

719
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:32,430
to, you know, create the legions of

720
00:37:32,430 --> 00:37:35,580
young sups to, to take on, you know, the, the, you know,

721
00:37:35,580 --> 00:37:35,910
the,

722
00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:40,890
the Starlight of the world. So it, it, to me, that was just another, you know, just

723
00:37:40,890 --> 00:37:41,250
a very

724
00:37:41,250 --> 00:37:45,390
interesting thing with, with their dyna with the dynamic there, given what Homeland

725
00:37:45,390 --> 00:37:48,630
knows about, truly about storefront and, and what, what and what

726
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:50,600
know about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

727
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,560
and especially given that this is setting up for the, you know, of course the, the

728
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,940
spinoff show that they're gonna have with Soldier Boy Liberty. Yeah.

729
00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:56,30
And,

730
00:37:56,30 --> 00:37:57,500
yeah. And as well, so

731
00:37:57,500 --> 00:38:02,570
Yeah, exactly. That's what I was gonna mention is that it all, that all plays into

732
00:38:02,570 --> 00:38:03,830
that. I mean,

733
00:38:03,830 --> 00:38:07,610
we've been so positive, so of course I need to bring up the negative.

734
00:38:07,610 --> 00:38:07,670
Yeah.

735
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:10,10
like everything that we've been talking about

736
00:38:10,10 --> 00:38:16,490
thus far. Brilliant. Makes a lot of sense. Now as we talk about clear setup for the

737
00:38:16,490 --> 00:38:20,120
spinoff episode, and then also

738
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:25,760
to what you brought up earlier with the Gen V of it all is characters Reid mentioned

739
00:38:25,820 --> 00:38:30,950
have, have they been renewed for a season three? No, they have not. I don't think

740
00:38:31,250 --> 00:38:38,180
if we do, if we are to get a season three of Gen V, the renewal won't come until

741
00:38:38,180 --> 00:38:42,320
after the end of season five. And I think they're doing that on purpose. Yeah, agreed.

742
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:42,740
Because,

743
00:38:42,740 --> 00:38:47,960
because in a shared, shared universe, it's really easy to lose stakes when you have

744
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:48,740
characters

745
00:38:48,740 --> 00:38:51,900
not appear. So I, so,

746
00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:58,380
so that's my thoughts on that. But at the same time, something that I just bothered

747
00:38:58,380 --> 00:38:58,950
me,

748
00:38:58,950 --> 00:39:00,630
especially in the first episodes,

749
00:39:00,630 --> 00:39:06,840
was all of the freaking exposition. I felt like at the second episode, we were explained

750
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,990
what V one was at least five times.

751
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:12,540
And I'm like, I get it. Why are

752
00:39:12,540 --> 00:39:17,580
because, and it, and, and it felt like that, because we had to go through different

753
00:39:17,580 --> 00:39:22,830
scenes of different characters learning about it, and it just, it kind of understood.

754
00:39:22,830 --> 00:39:26,580
Yeah. It carried on a bit. And I was like, okay. Yeah. Yeah.

755
00:39:26,580 --> 00:39:30,870
So, well, you know, V yeah, I agree with you. Well, but the v the Vs is always the

756
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:33,150
McGuffin each season. 'cause you know, the first,

757
00:39:33,150 --> 00:39:37,480
you, you know, every season we, you know, we, we, we get some, you know, we, we,

758
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,140
you know, we, the first few, couple we learned that soups aren't born,

759
00:39:41,140 --> 00:39:43,930
they were manufactured with the V then.

760
00:39:43,930 --> 00:39:45,820
Then we had Huey and,

761
00:39:45,820 --> 00:39:49,870
and Butcher doing a temp V for, what was that? Was that season three?

762
00:39:49,870 --> 00:39:53,920
Yeah. And then of course, yeah, then Butcher, you know, saw the then, but then know,

763
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:59,200
then we learned about this, the v the, the virus, you know, in Gen V and carry it

764
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,130
over to, you know,

765
00:40:00,130 --> 00:40:04,990
season four. So now we got the OGV. So it's just, that's just the, I think that's

766
00:40:04,990 --> 00:40:06,670
just the big McGuffin for, for, for

767
00:40:06,670 --> 00:40:07,690
that that's there.

768
00:40:07,690 --> 00:40:10,990
That they need to, you know, that. But to your point though, it does lead to a lot

769
00:40:10,990 --> 00:40:11,590
of exposition.

770
00:40:11,590 --> 00:40:14,250
It, it leads to a lot of exposition.

771
00:40:14,250 --> 00:40:15,660
first episode,

772
00:40:15,660 --> 00:40:18,750
it wasn't really exposition, but we had to do all the check-ins,

773
00:40:18,750 --> 00:40:22,560
checkins with where people were and what was happening, and a reminder of what has

774
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:22,860
happened.

775
00:40:22,860 --> 00:40:25,10
Yeah. Yeah. So, but

776
00:40:25,10 --> 00:40:27,920
yeah, the more we talk about it though, the more,

777
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:33,720
I, I think this is a strong start to a final season. And I just keep harping on the

778
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:36,90
fact that this is a final season, because

779
00:40:36,90 --> 00:40:40,650
it is very evident in how these first three episodes are written

780
00:40:40,650 --> 00:40:43,740
and not in a, oh my God,

781
00:40:43,740 --> 00:40:49,650
you are telegraph. It's not in an annoying way. It's in a very much like,

782
00:40:49,650 --> 00:40:52,290
okay, this is, this is nuanced.

783
00:40:52,290 --> 00:40:54,30
it feels as though

784
00:40:54,30 --> 00:40:59,70
things are being brought up, not just for the sake of it, but because no things are

785
00:40:59,70 --> 00:41:05,340
built have built up to this moment, and now is the time when consequences will be

786
00:41:05,340 --> 00:41:09,960
faced for both the, the bad characters and the good characters. Yeah. Because

787
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,10
at the end of this chapter, like, this is it, and

788
00:41:14,10 --> 00:41:17,250
what does that mean? And so it's, it's a very,

789
00:41:17,250 --> 00:41:19,140
it is a very interesting,

790
00:41:19,140 --> 00:41:25,50
way to set up a final season that I haven't seen in a, in a, in a long time. Yeah.

791
00:41:25,50 --> 00:41:28,680
or has it resonated quite like this in, in,

792
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:29,100
a while.

793
00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:33,720
Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I mean, I think the writer's room definitely, as we talked about

794
00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:34,290
before,

795
00:41:34,290 --> 00:41:36,330
knew they, they, they understood the assignment.

796
00:41:36,330 --> 00:41:38,190
They definitely, yeah. I mean, granted,

797
00:41:38,190 --> 00:41:41,490
we still have five episodes and it can completely go off the rails. And even in,

798
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:45,900
I mean, another meta thing about this show, whenever Butcher and the Worm were talking,

799
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:49,200
'cause Butcher, you know, the Worm was like a, was was a former writer,

800
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:49,580
and he

801
00:41:49,580 --> 00:41:53,840
had a, and he had the in, in the meta comment about finale, not like, you know, being

802
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:54,320
satisfied.

803
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:54,730
Yeah. Yeah.

804
00:41:54,730 --> 00:41:55,900
And, and you know what the,

805
00:41:55,900 --> 00:42:01,140
I, I don't think I've ever really made this comment before, and I don't know why

806
00:42:01,140 --> 00:42:04,350
I haven't thought about it before, because we all know Cryp Key

807
00:42:04,350 --> 00:42:05,940
is the Man Behind Supernatural.

808
00:42:05,940 --> 00:42:06,90
Yep.

809
00:42:06,90 --> 00:42:07,260
Supernatural.

810
00:42:07,260 --> 00:42:13,560
Yes. It has a shit ton of episodes, but there are, there is, they have some very

811
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:18,330
satire esque episodes within that season to the point where

812
00:42:18,330 --> 00:42:20,370
the leads Jared and Jensen

813
00:42:20,370 --> 00:42:25,130
literally played themselves. Yeah. Because like, like there is,

814
00:42:25,130 --> 00:42:29,810
so, I don't know why, it's just dawning on me. Like, yeah, this show does satire

815
00:42:29,870 --> 00:42:34,160
beautifully. I'm like, well, the precursor was all there and Supernatural

816
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,820
all there. But, and also,

817
00:42:36,820 --> 00:42:38,530
to go back to like

818
00:42:38,530 --> 00:42:44,140
not bringing up things for the sake of it, just when you thought that, oh, we're

819
00:42:44,140 --> 00:42:47,890
never gonna hear about Flight 37 again. Nope.

820
00:42:47,890 --> 00:42:52,330
Very first episode that is brought up again, be because,

821
00:42:52,330 --> 00:42:56,380
and it, and it's interesting, the more I think about that moment, I remember talking

822
00:42:56,380 --> 00:43:00,460
with you about the first season and that episode occurring and us just being like,

823
00:43:00,690 --> 00:43:06,310
wow, that wow. Yeah, this is different. Yeah. And then yeah, throughout the seasons

824
00:43:06,310 --> 00:43:12,520
it's been, we've gone back to that same well, but even in the fifth season, they

825
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,410
bring it up in the best way.

826
00:43:14,410 --> 00:43:21,190
Yeah. That because it, it hits so hard initially and set the tone for so much of

827
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:27,340
what this show is. Yeah. That, to go back to it and back to it and back to it just

828
00:43:27,340 --> 00:43:27,790
means

829
00:43:27,790 --> 00:43:30,250
it, it hit hard for a reason. Yeah.

830
00:43:30,250 --> 00:43:35,470
and, and we got on board with the show as a result of that for a reason. Yeah. So,

831
00:43:35,470 --> 00:43:37,510
all right. Well I think that is,

832
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:43,510
it for us tonight with The Big Boys binge. We will continue our discussion next week,

833
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:49,520
and we will also be returning to Hell's Kitchen next week. Next week. Yes, we will.

834
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:49,610
Yes.

835
00:43:49,610 --> 00:43:50,570
Yes, we will.

836
00:43:50,570 --> 00:43:53,720
so Will, why don't you tell our listeners where they can find you?

837
00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:59,540
Yes, you can find me on all the socials at Will and Polk, W-I-L-L-M-P-O-L-K.

838
00:43:59,540 --> 00:44:04,430
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839
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841
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