House of the Dragon S3E7 REACTION: "The Dragon in Winter" — Sheepstealer's Fight, Aemond & Alicent's Poison Plot, Sunfyre Returns

0:00 >> Will: Foreign. >> Sarah : Nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont, and with me as, ah, always, is our Mr. Producer, will Will Polk Carry. Doing tonight. >> Will: Doing very well, Sarah, I have to say. Sapphire said, let the me fire. Allison said, let me poison my son. I feel like this is a episode where I'm watching Fishes from the Bear. >> Sarah : How long have you, like, written all of that down? >> Will: Oh, I've been thinking about that all day. I mean, as soon as I'm actually even last night, I was just like. After I watched an episode, I felt like this is like the family reunion of, you know, especially, like, with, you know, with the fight there with poor, you know, sheep Steep Stiller getting scapegoated again. Poor sheets. I saw like, the Best of Day, which is someone did with.

0:53 With sheep steer. And it was Kevin on stage at this where. Where I saw it, he had reposted. Someone had made this, and he is like, sheep stealer, like, talking about the fight and how Craxes basically, like, jumped him and then Sex and Seasmoke. Just basically, you know, he's like, I. I'll get him again. I'll get him again. Because, you know, I'm gonna bring that snook next time they go, you know, they sucker punch me this time, but I'm coming back. >> Sarah : well, well, let's get into that. That scene alone. Because that scene, I was initially when they were attacking Rhaenyra's dragon, Sera, I was like, whoa, buddy, slow down. I don't want another Rhaenyra. Can't afford to lose another dragon here. But then by the end of it, I was like, I don't like this. I don't like watching what's happening right now. It was brutal to watch them.

1:48 Them take down Sheep Stealer and. And heartbreaking. And I thought that was done very well because that was. I was feeling that way even before Raya realized what was happening. And like, before she, like, had the. That part of me is being killed right now, and there's nothing I can do about it in that. In that heartbreak. But it's also very interesting because I. I was not expecting that to occur at all. And. But it makes a lot of sense because in this episode, you have Daemon off on some errand, and we see him at the Veil and we understand as well as he does that Rhea is not where she should be and is going off to try to pay some penance by either killing Vhagar or die trying. And meanwhile, Baela and Adam. So see that sheep stealer has a new rider and they report back. And then that leads to Rhaenyra being like, well, I'm gonna do this myself because I can't trust no one. And. And she arrives. But the funny thing is, until the dragons start to really fight each other, you don't realize there's so much size disadvantages. You may have a dragon, but some of you, you don't have the. The best dragon out there. But we saw that in last season also with the Sunfire as well, so. But I also love that it's all preemptive. More

3:21 importantly, by, like, part two of this conversation that have started earlier this season between Damon and his daughter, he admits he has spent far too much time neglecting. And this is really his fault at the end of the day. And he. And I can appreciate, like, him even saying, I will help you, and then him bringing up, like, this idea. Again, the parallel between him and Aemond, they just keep coming because he admits, like, like, I didn't have a dragon when I was young and my mother died when I was three years old because you have to put in that, like, reminder that Damon has mommy issues. So again, all to parallel his nephew. But I really like the scene. Even though, like I said before, my gut reaction while watching was I don't like what's going on right now. This is. This is a bit much. I don't know why. Like, I. I just. I really was like, I do not like watching these. These creatures fight each other like that.

4:29 >> Will: Yeah, it was pretty intense. I. I had the same reaction too with whenever. Whenever they were going down. One. I. It is still. Yeah. One. Because she still truly was. It's just. It's out there in the veil, minding. Minding its own business. And. And of course, you know, one of the things too, that with. With this scene leading up to it was Damon going to, you know, going to, you know, basically beg Lady Jane not to, like, tell Rhaenyra about this too. Getting to your point about, you know, again, this is his fault and, you know, all these things happening. So it was. Yeah. But, it was very disquieting for me seeing even though I know these are CGI battle, whatever, but it was just. It's just anytime you have animals in peril, whether it's, you know, dogs or dragons, it's hard to watch that. And so. And just how intense the fight was, with these creatures. And.

5:26 And one of the things. I think they really did a good job with the steam just giving you the scale again. To your point about Veigar, Sunfire, like last season and this season, you know, with the standoff here, it's just the size of these creatures and the power of these creatures and. And. And even, you know, I couldn't help but think too, like, you know, some of the discussions that Ormond's had about, you know, the whole. With his whole thing about the target and is this bad magic or whatever. And even. Yeah. So all those things that sort of came together in this scene, and I thought it was very effective. >> Sarah : See, I keep thinking about how they've done such a good job this season of really, like, the show is called House of the Dragon. So these. We're focused on a family of dragon riders, and some, have dragons and some don't. And that. That sense of belonging, once you find it, like Rhea explains earlier this season, like, I am finally fulfilled.

6:22 I'm complete. So in watching the dragons fight like that, it's almost as if their riders are fighting. So I think that's why when Cerex was getting attacked so much at the beginning of the battle, I was. My heart was breaking because that's Renaer. Like, part of her is dying. And then. And then on the flip side, like, to see someone cornered the way sheep stealer slash Rhea was in that moment, you're just like, it's unfair and you want to root for the underdog and. Or the underdragon. but. But it's. It's. They. They got the emotion because of work that they've done, whether. Whether it's what you brought up with Ormond's perspective or just the perspective of the Targaryens themselves on their. On their kinder with these beasts.

7:16 But this also leads into a bigger. Another theme, because we. We never do one theme at a time. But another dynamic that has been at play for the past several episodes this season was between White Worm and Damon. Because what like miserys has known from the very beginning that that skull is not sheep stealer rider. She didn't know that it was Rhea and what Damon was trying to protect, I should say other. And that at the end of the day, he actually was doing a good and right thing, even though it was deceptive in nature. And so through this understanding about, oh, their sheep stealer has a new rider, quote, unquote, new and white white worms suddenly, like, again renews her or not renews. That's not the word. Returns to her soapbox of, Damon is an awful person. I don't know why you're with him. I should be your consort instead.

8:18 >> Will: Yeah, yeah, they. They went there. It's Damon. Yeah, that. And they have a kid. Yes. >> Sarah : But they. >> Will: Yeah. >> Sarah : After. More importantly, the conversation she has with her old. I don't know what we would call her. Madame or. I don't know. >> Will: Oh, was that late? Because I was lady. That was like Lady Fry. Or was. I couldn't tell. I couldn't remember if that was Lady Fry from the. Whenever they were in the throne room. >> Sarah : Yeah. >> Will: Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The family, basically. Yeah. I mean, basically, like your high morals to see you as a whore. You know, once a whore, always a whore. >> Sarah : Right, right. Once a. Always a whore. But there. There was a better line even before that, in the sense that, like, what power do you have? In truth, these people are not your own. Like, this idea of, like, you don't realize how much you being in this position for so long and around these people and in these castles and houses, that has changed you. Because for this season, we've seen White Worm sit at that council and continue to be like, no, no, no, you guys don't understand.

9:30 Take it from me, I'm a commoner too. >> Will: Yeah. >> Sarah : This is what's going on. But her own greed and ambition for power and status. Over time, like, as she receives whatever this is, like, that perspective also goes away because we also have seen her over the past several episodes, whether it be her finding about. Out about Helena first or. Or this. This continued need to just kick Damon out of the house. >> Will: Yeah. >> Sarah : For lack of a better word. Like, she is, As, She is very much playing. Playing the game as well.

10:12 Even though at the end of it, no, she will always be seen as the. And so that's why I, like, in that moment when she is initially starting as the White worm that we have seen this season and counts over, and then she suddenly, like, it's just like, well, at the end of the day, you just want sex for me. So you ain't getting it from Damon. Or you're not. You're not giving Damon any. Like, if this is my role, then, like, so be it. Like, there. There's an interesting, accept that occurs in that moment. >> Will: I think it was. I mean, there was this. You know, there was the sexual tension and. And that's been sort of a subtext throughout the season between the two of them.

10:57 >> Sarah : Even last season. >> Will: And even last season. You're right. But I think there was also the. The power. You know, I. You, Know, I read there were several things going on there. Because, I mean, she's also had relations with Damon as well. >> Sarah : Yep. >> Will: And it was a weird, like, love triangle. Try, you know, triangulation. I mean, there were just so many things when I was, like, watching that scene through as far as, like, you know, what are her motivations here? Yeah, there is the course, the attraction, and just, you know, basically being the sex worker for. For. For the highborn. So there's that aspect of it, but then, there is that. That power dynamic too, where, you know, was she feeling some level of equalness to. To reward, just, you know, or that. Or closeness beyond just being this vessel to. For. For sexual pleasure? So it was.

11:49 Yeah, I just. I just. There are a lot of things going on there when. Whenever that all went down. >> Sarah : I don't believe the latter. I don't. I. I think that in a way, as you. As you brought up, like, it's a weird triangle. Right. You've now been with both sides of the married couple, and we're not talking about a threesome. It's a very strange thing, however, like, Rhaenyra and Daemon's relationship is very strange. She is his niece, okay, by blood. So it's almost as though she's been around the Targaryens long enough where, if I create my own little weird dynamic and. And that kind of closeness allows for more pillow talk.

12:36 Yeah, more. More secrets, like, mysterys. Re recognizes her job of whisperers, but it can be on both sides where you can have people talking to you about what's going on in King's Landing, and then. But now she's at, She's able to figure out, okay, what's going on with the Targaryen, like, at the end of the day, what are their secrets? Because if you can get a hold of those secrets, then you can wield that to even get further in this game, this political game. And. And it can be used as a safety net. So I think, again, using. Using sex to just get closer to these people, to get that secrets and to. To be vulnerable and allow them to lower their guards.

13:26 >> Will: So, yeah, I think that that's a very good point. I mean, I think that's. Yeah, I think that's a very astute point that you made there. And I think that. I think that is part of it as far as her being the master, the mistress of, Whispers and in the Red Keep. >> Sarah : Let's talk about Ormond and King Darren. Okay, so there are 20,000 soldiers marching their way, and it's like they've known what I've Wanted to see they share Kristian's head on a stick. I was just like, yeah. >> Will: And it's not even just like. I mean, I was like, they couldn't get him the mold or maybe it's just, you know, I guess. Yeah, yeah. But also too that. Just real quick, I noticed they updated the tapestry at the beginning of the episode, too, to have Kristian in this story there. He did get his moment of glory. He's. He's in the tapestry at the beginning of the show.

14:13 >> Sarah : We also. And you were right. So Corliss just got captured at the end of last week's episode. And that is the. Well, that is maybe one. But as we find out at the end of the episode, not the only piece that Ormond has on the chessboard that is being brought in over to his side. Now. Corliss is against his will. That's very, very clear in this exchange that they have as he's captive. And I just. His question is just so good. What do you see in them? and the Targaryen element. Why do you continue to align yourself with the brutish and the incurious? I also. I wish that it wasn't as poetic and. And I really just wanted him to say, but this is so not Mormon. But just be like, you realize that they took everything from you. Your.

15:09 Your loss. Like, you're. They're no longer the strong ally here. But what is that tie? And I think it was a smart writing decision to have Corliss not say anything and to be like, I need. I want to go back to my chamber. I'm done with this conversation. Because he knows all of this. He has that with Frenera early on this season. And yet he still. Because at the end of the day, he still has granddaughters and now sons who are on that side. >> Will: It doesn't matter. I mean. And, you know, to your point about the writing decision for Corliss not to say anything, I mean, that. That. That said everything. It was, you know, to look, you know, to your point, you know, we haven't mentioned facial acting in a while here on the pod, but Corliss the act. Yeah, Steve, Just saying, he plays Corliss. Like, the facial acting there was just like, get. Get my wife's name out of your mouth. Yeah, yeah.

16:05 >> Sarah : In the moment you brought up the wife, I was like, ormond, you need to like, you. You. You had it. You had him. You. You touched the button. And that wasn't the card to play, sir. Because even though Corliss was unfaithful he still. We, we know how much love there was between those two. >> Will: Yeah. And yeah, he's yeah. And even with all that, he's not going to betray them. But we were right about Corlys being captured, but we were wrong about the whispers. Whisperers. And in King's Landing who was going to get the stories back to Foreman about what happened. But to your point, there was another piece of the chessboard. >> Sarah : Well, I. Wait, we were wrong? >> Will: Well yeah, because remember we thought Corliss. We thought that Ormond was going to try to like you know, you had heard about. I took that scene of Corlys of Ormond, not knowing about the conversation between and Corlys as far as like the bastards conversation. Yeah. But I do. But he did.

17:01 But we do learn later that whenever he and Ulf were, were sitting there having having Ls together, that word did get back about Damon. Basically embarrassing Ulf in, in, in Old Town, but in the commoner's area of of King's Landing. So, so there were you know, so we, we, we had the right faults, but it was just it was just someone else instead of Corlys. We were as far as the spies getting word back to Ormond about what's going on there at King' admit to >> Sarah : no being wrong about things. >> Will: So I, I, I have, I am not afraid to say when I'm wrong and I will drop. >> Sarah : Will says we. He means him. So I, I just want to go back to that. I feel like I was wrong about one thing but not the other thing that you're trying to say. And so that's why I'm just.

17:47 >> Will: No, no, no no. Don't don't even go there. Because you, you thought Corliss was dead. You did. >> Sarah : Yeah, I know. And I said we were wrong. I've admitted that I didn't think he was wrong. Aware of when I was wrong. You've lost me in some of this thread. So to go back to the Alpha at all. It didn't surprise me though. Like the whole exchange it made complete sense in terms of what we were seeing. And there, there we knew that Ulf was not all in he been the cry. He, he's been pretty much given the Allison treatment in King's Landing and with Ray, he keeps moaning about that. And then the incident between Damon and him last week, it makes all the sense in the world. And you kind of also. There was just him and his realization like he'll never get a castle or a title. So they've been Very clear. And in fact, this season, the writers have done a good job about making sure we understand the motivations for all of Ren. Allies, because those motivations at one point were strong and that's why they fled to her side. But over the course, ever since she has sat, on that throne, there's been nothing but shakiness and shaky ground between her and the allies. So. And Oramond Ormond, knowing that there's a political game at

19:18 play, he. He is using. And I mean, Aemond even says it in this. In this episode. Those riders that Rhaenyra has are commoners. >> Will: Yeah. >> Sarah : So. So there's not as much. The loyalty of blood is all, will always be stronger than just. And. And the irony is there's technically is blood there. However, they were not raised as nobles or lords, so. So they're. They're in it like it's a. It's. It's very different. So. I like that scene and I like that mom. Like, even more though, was the scene between Wayne and his nephew because it just echoes.

20:05 And this whole idea, like, you can tell in these moments how much of an impact Sir Kristian had on Gwen. we don't. We didn't really get a lot of him before this season. However, I do feel like his time there with alongside Sir Kristian, like, really has changed him. >> Will: Yeah. >> Sarah : And, and, and just this, this lovely idea of the dreams some have of covering themselves in everlasting glory, of somehow transcending humanity's common fate, which can be applied to basically every single character because we. We see that whether it be wanting, the wanting something or someone to tell her the gods did want this. Like she wants that confirmation and she wants that. That righteous being appointed righteously or. Or even Aemond or even Aegon. And then you have Alicent who's like a mother who's just trying to protect at least one. Like she. A mother who is. Who's been basically torn, cut up, put back together, Frankenstein and is just like, I don't know anything anymore. She's like completely untethered in this moment. But. But it's all about like, how will they remember me at

21:36 the end of the day? And I mean, if Gwain really wants a lesson from Sir Kristian, if anything's gonna happen in Westeros, if there's any truth, you ain't. It ain't gonna end the way you want it to. >> Will: Exactly. Yeah, I thought that. Yeah, I really enjoyed it. I know they weren't featured too deeply in this episode as far as the screen time, but it was a pretty powerful conversation between Darren and. It also. And Orman and. Excuse me, Darren and Gawain about Ormond as well as the motivations of. Of Orman and, you know, Gawain having. And Darren in particular having realizations as far as, like, you know, one of the things that stuck out to me with Darren was like, I don't want, you know, he was like, I'll be fine without the crown. You know, he. He. Yeah. You know, and so that, you know, so I really liked. We got a real glimpse into Darren understanding, you know, what the plan is here between, you know, they're there with. With Ormond and you know how he was just trying to use them for his own, you know, to. For his own end.

22:32 >> Sarah : Yeah. No, and. And you're right, like Darren. And we knew it. We've. We already know that Darren was like, I don't. I don't like where this is going. But there's a few things of why. And that's one, he's being forced into it by Ormond. Two, he's grown up outside of King's Landing. >> Will: Yeah. >> Sarah : And he's been around someone. Ormond, who has basically probably been. Just been like, yeah, you go there and then this happens. Like, if you're an intelligent kid, you're probably looking at the whole situation going on in Kingsland and being like, I am perfectly fine right here. I don't want any of that. I don't need to. My brothers are killing each other. I don't want any part of that.

23:19 So I'm just gonna be over here. >> Will: I'm just gonna sit over here, just me to Sarah, and we're just gonna do our thing. >> Sarah : And he also. He also isn't willing to leave Tumbleton to ruin. He's not willing. Like, he may despise Ormond and if it was just Ormond, he would leave. He would have left Ormond ages ago. But it's the other men who are there who are sworn quote, unquote, loyalty to him, that he's just like, I can't abandon them. And. And I think that's where Gwain, as we've said before, given his tutelage under Sir Kristian, understands that now where I think he wouldn't have before prior to his battle experience. But yeah, I think we. We get just enough of what's going on in Tumbleton each episode because we know they're going to be heavily featured in the finale. So. Yeah. Yeah.

24:16 Allison, let's talk about the murder. so a few things about this, it got my laugh out loud moment of the episode was Alice's reading a, wine delivery of, idiot. >> Will: Yeah, he really is. Yeah. >> Sarah : But I also the. When she gives him the poison, they have this exchange. And he says before taking it, like, but I killed my. But I tried, all right? But I killed my brother. And I feel like in that moment, by him saying that, by him taking this moment of, being like, she tells me, you can't be trusted. But I also tried to kill my own brother.

24:58 So I'm gonna take this poison because I feel like he knew what it was. And he's like, by me taking this, you can never hold. And if I recover and survive this, you can never hold the fact that I tried to kill Aegon over my head. Like, it was like, mother, I know you're mad at me, but you can't be mad at me anymore because FYI, you are trying to kill me in this moment, and I'm accepting it. >> Will: I don't know if I, thought he knew that she was trying to poison him. I mean, I did cross my mind, but you know, with the drink. But I, you know, Heron hall does some strange things to people. But, you know, hats off to Alicent to recognize the berries whenever she, whenever she did leave the castle. And I guess Helena, or somewhere she, you know, maybe I think it was Helena that like, you know, they were picking up those things to know that that was, you know, poison. But, yeah, I did. I don't know if I read it that way. I, I, I, I think he's just, you know, like we were, as you were saying earlier, so we, we get these, you know, Damon and even have these parallel things happening to them. And so, you know, in this Harrenhal moment, he was just, I don't know, you know, he was. His mommy issues or whatever were taken over there and he was just, you know, having this weird, like, we're going to have this big happy family here. You know, Mom's here. I have my, you know, the woman who's gonna bear my kids and, and myself here that to. In this castle.

26:27 >> Sarah : See, See, that would have been mine read if she had done it like before when they were all eating dinner and then they get into an argument and she realizes, but if you. Because, and I didn't have this read initially, I had to think about this, but it did stick out in my mind. Why did he say that? Why did they have the character in that moment when this is him and his mom? Aegon is like far off in the distance, like a memory far away. He brings up and acknowledges the fact that at the end of the day, he did try to murder Aegon to his mom. He acknowledges that.

27:08 >> Will: Yes. >> Sarah : So the very fact that they had him say that, that's why I started thinking about it and thinking, like. I think that's a sign that he knew. >> Will: Yeah. >> Sarah : He also knows what Alice is capable of. So I think he. And the fact that they had the berries, like, she didn't wander outside of the castle. They were basically within the walls. She was just like. They weren't very far. Okay. At the end of the day, so. So Alice. And Alice has been there her entire life and knows exactly what's growing. And she probably planted seeds. I. I think she has a cure right away. And that's also why she just said idiot, because she knew. Knows how to fix this. So I. That is my interpretation. But, they did get me. Unfortunate. Well, they did, but they didn't.

27:59 Okay. And here. Here's my case for it. The whole Allison arriving at Heron Hall. Okay. Right. When Allison appears, I think to myself, I literally had this thought. I was like, how the fuck did she not get by Alice? Like, are we gonna see that interaction? Because any time up until this point, we have seen all sorts of people try to get into Heron hall and immediately get confronted by Alice. Right. >> Will: Yep. >> Sarah : So. So the fact that they didn't show, that stuck out in my mind. Then when they started kissing, I was like, whoa, this is Alice. Allison. I was like, I don't know if you want to do that before you stab him. I. I don't know. And then it was kind of like, like, okay, I understand now. That is Allison.

28:51 >> Will: Yeah, they got me. Yeah. Yeah. Got. Yeah. You know, again, the parallels. >> Sarah : Right, Right. >> Will: Yeah. Since Damon had had division last year, now we got this. And I was like, Ah, yeah, yeah, but that's a good but. Yeah, but that's a good flag there, that general. Yeah. Usually Alice does catch the people trying to come into the hall, but she was otherwise occupied when Allison first arrived. >> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. No, and it was my honest to God first thought, because we all know that I'm still on the side. Helena should have went. I wanted to see Alice and Helen interact. But no, Helena did not go to kill her own brother. Instead, we have Helena remaining captive, a very important person in this episode. The episode is kind of named after her in a way, because the episode's name is the dragon in Winter.

29:44 And we start. We start and we end with a dream. I really I really kind of wish they would have legitimately ended with this whole dream sequence. But we start with a dream that Helena is having and she's woken up by Ren. And then they have a conversation about their father because he will always be remembered. and it's a similar to. Again, it's a lot of conversations that are had in these later episodes are returning to previous conversations because they are continuing to weave these themes and these ideas of perspective and what you want versus the reality of having it.

30:24 and. And in this. In. In this exchange, it's about his perspectives that has also been previously discussed on dragons. And, it's kind of been like he didn't. This. Basically, Helena says he, meaning Viserys, did not wish to be changed. And then Rhaenyra says, you believe the dragons alter us in some way. And then Helena, who. Who very much is serving in Allison's role right now. Like, you don't get a Rhaenyra Allison exchange in an episode move in Helena. >> Will: Yeah. >> Sarah : And because she says you now have many dragons, are you yourself not altered? But that also goes to. What Allison has continued to try to explain to Rhaenyra is that just by sitting on that throne, you are changing and have changed. And there's a denial, continued denial from Rena that we finally really start to see expressed by her verbatim, where she is like, no, I'm. I'm pretty much the same. It's a similar moment later when she's confronting Damon about Rhea and is like, you tried to protect her from what? Like, what am I like? You. You view me as this monster, and it's kind of like, well, Rhaenyra, did you see yourself grieving? You're. You're still also not over it.

31:49 Like, so I don't know. But protect me from. Protect me from what? And then you also. There's. There's, When she confronts White Worm, also towards the end of the episode, she says, I know what you've been doing, which I love. A very love acknowledgment that Rhaenyra has known that, White Worm was basically trying to paint her in her image. Like, you're counseling me, but so that I can be more like you, not the other way around. Well, you're around people. They naturally grow on you, but it's just. It's just good. What. What did you think about Helena and in this episode?

32:30 >> Will: Yeah, I mean, the, The. Obviously there's. There was some foreshadowing for sure, but I really. Whenever I was just listening to talk about the conversation that and Helena had and just about the change, you know, as far as. I mean, you nailed. I mean, I don't really have much more to say there because you really did nail it really. Well, as far as, like, how we. We. We've seen over the course of, this season how Rhaenyra is getting. Is changing. And really she's coming to the place where it's like, well, maybe Damon was right about how. How to rule. Because, you know, because, you know, we learned in this episode too, where, you know, she's like, the queen is not going to have any more petitions right now. And.

33:14 And, you know, I think, you know, we really touch on the court too, you know, that where the. The guy was like, you're so, you know, he was like, you're setting me up to be the scapegoat here as far as the taxes and no money. So, I mean, all these things are like, she is starting to, like, get more and more, more. Stronger. Stronger touch on her rule than. Than she had. Had originally had hoped. >> Sarah : So it's kind of like a lot of what Mr. Has said to do has brought her no good. Like, she's, Mr. Is one who said, you need to set up somebody as your fall guy for. For the lack of money. And that's what she did. And now even that's not working. And she's. She's even directed them towards the fall guy and. And she's still hearing complaints. It's not like they suddenly found the money. Mr. Says, Listen to the people. Well, we've seen her a few times, quote, unquote, listen to the people. And she can't handle it because it's all noise and it's all like, hey, that's that. I'm sorry you guys are poor right now, but I need to go get revenge for my sons. Okay, so take it.

34:25 >> Will: Yeah. yeah. And the people are also, you know, listen to the people. Listen to this. And the people are feeling even more unsafe in King's Landing. So everything Messaria has, like, tried to counsel Rhaenyra to do is not working. So now Rhaenyra is like, so the comic. Going back to our, you know, to your question about Atlanta. Yeah. So Rhaenyra is sort of like. And I love how they frame it with using the best of focal point, for obvious reasons, she's realizing like, yeah, I got it. You know, tell me the answer. You know, you know, she and Rhaenyra realizes that Helena does have that ability to see visions. And so she's just like, tell me, do you Know, do the gods, you know, am I going to prevail here? >> Sarah : And. >> Will: And you know, and it does cut to. Cuts to the future. I mean, you know, with the, with the horse, you know, and you see the pale horse and you can't help but think the religious industry there as far as the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse and, you know, you know, being a harbinger. Harbinger of death. Especially when, you know, whenever Helena's other dream is, you know, we. The clear foreshadowing of winter is coming. So like you said, I mean, the title pretty much, tells us what's going to happen here. So.

35:31 Yeah, so, you know, you have those moments and then the other imagery and dreams that Helena had, as far as seeing Dreamfire and melting dream fire for some. Maybe some future battle and, you know, in the childbirth, you know, so you had that image as well. And clearly it was a male error because, you know, soldiers took him away. So there was just so many things packed into Helena. The only thing that I wish, like you said, I wish we could have was this a scene with Helena and Alice. >> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, it was. The. The last scene is when it goes from the child being taken away to Dream Fighter and her sighting against an army to a very calm, peaceful field that suddenly goes from like summer to winter in a matter of minutes. Yeah, and. But. And I like how you said foreshadowing of winter is coming and I'm like, yeah, that's.

36:16 That's long foreshadowing because that's like 200 years in the 200 years. >> Will: But, but Danny is a descendant of Raniera, so. >> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, but like you're talking about foreshadowing 200 years. >> Will: Yeah, I know you're cool. But they did it last. They did it last season two with the, with the Starks on the wall. So, I mean, you know, they've been doing it with Jace, so always do it. Let's do it. Yeah. >> Sarah : We want to talk about Aegon. Aegon. What to say? He. He makes his stand. He gives his speech, his rally cry. And you know, we should have believed him earlier when he said that Sunfire was still alive because Sunfyre has risen. And, it was a beautiful moment for Aegon. I love Aegon, so. I mean, I don't love him, but he. He. I'm sorry, he is. Mangled face has a very secret, like, special place in my heart.

37:09 >> Will: I have to say. As, ah, the season has progressed, he has grown on me. I'm not quite ready to go, you know, change Shirts from team black to team Green. But, but. But he had. He has definitely grown on me. And I love the interplay there between the Three Stooges. You had Tylan, at the end of the day, being the real one, you know, he's Master Coin. I couldn't help but also think when Aegon was a little kid, you know, he was the one when Aegon was, like, messing with. With Tyler when they had to put the little stone. And so there was that, you know, and then, of course, he was the one that stood by him. Of course, Laris. Laris was Laris. And this Sal. Picture that we' tell good stories about you and stuff. But it was. It was really, really cool scene, I have to say. >> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, it. And like, even. Like you said, even Lannister is growing on me in this moment when he chooses to stay with Aegon. And I. I love Larys because Larys is like, I'm out. And then you're. You're like, really, dude? And then he gives his logic, and even Aegon accepts Epson.

38:10 He's a cripple. He. He. He will do nothing. Just like I'm gonna do nothing in this fight. But I. I get it. So I just. Their understanding of each other is really beautiful. And, you know, Lars is gonna come. Come back, and I. I just. I'm very. I. I'm very interested to see where. Where these three go and navigate, especially now that they have a dragon on their side. And you know what? In my opinion, rooting for Aegon, you're not rooting for Team Green because Team Green tried to kill Aegon. Okay. >> Will: True. Yeah. Team Aegon now. Yeah. So it's fully Team Aegon. >> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. All right, well, that is it for us in House of the Dragon, >> Will: Sam.