X-Men '97 Ending Explained + NEW Live-Action Cast Reaction

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>> Will: Foreign.

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>> Sarah : This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host Sarah Belmont

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and with me as always is our Mr. Producer will

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Will Polk Carry doing tonight, Will.

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. Looking forward to talking

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some X Men 97 Season 2. We're coming back to it.

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>> Sarah : We are Talking X Men 97 Season 2, Episode 5,

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Weapon X Lies and DVDs. Wolverine and Morph team

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up with a ragtag, ragtag band of former enemies to

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take down Weapon X newly newest deadly creation in

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this action packed mutant showdown. Will, what did

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you think about this episode?

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>> Will: Yeah, well as far as this episode, I know we are

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covering the, the last five last episodes, five

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through nine here this evening. And so you know, I

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think you know whenever we took a break from it,

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we you know we saw Wolverine going back to sort

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of. It was really a follow up to one of the

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episodes from the original series as far as X men

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from the 90s and it was the one I think Weapon X

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Lies and videotape and so you know, to

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contextualize it with, with some of the clips in

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this new episode with, with, with, with the DVDs.

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And so really the thing that I really thought

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about this episode, it really got to Wolverine,

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you know, trying to get as Adam Adam back and you

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know he's getting M Team Buck back with the

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Weapons X group which was the, you know, the black

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ops group that he was, that he was a part of with

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Sabertooth and and a few other characters that you

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know that, that, that was a part target of that

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Weapons X program. So you know it was really

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exploring some of Wolverine's you know, fight with

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I guess some of the dehuman de, you know,

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humanizing impacts from, from the Weapons X

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program. That really stood out to me in this

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episode and also just morphs relationship with,

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with Wolverine. You know, was it, was was he doing

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these things out of friendship or was it out of

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you know, infatuation or some other motivation? So

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those are some of the things I thought about this

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particular episode.

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>> Sarah : I did not interpret anything that he was doing out

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of anything more than friendship.

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>> Will: I think there has been some discussions about his

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sexuality and whatnot. But you know, but I think

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if that is the case, you know, you could

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definitely read things as like I said, pearly

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friendship.

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>> Sarah : So which I mean leads into my overall thought

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about this episode. Will told me that this episode

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sucked. And I watched it and I was entertained. He

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was like, he's like yeah, episode was five. It was

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fine.

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>> Will: And I said stop. And I said it was fun. It wasn't

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like, you know, it was, it wasn't like the most

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earth shattering episode, but it was, it was, you

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know, exactly.

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>> Sarah : Which I could say about, most of the season. So I,

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I went in with low expectations and I did check

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out a few different times. But then again, lines

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like some of us can only be one thing that Morse

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says to Wolverine, I thought was really nice and a

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lot of their interactions was really interesting

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and it didn't feel like a retread of themes that

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we've seen and heard before from these characters.

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So I, I appreciated that. I, I kind of in a way

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wish that we got a little bit more about like this

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storyline in the season, but the season started

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with Apocalypse, it ended with Apocalypse, and it

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snuck in Rogan Gambit there.

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The, the other thing like leading into episode

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six, danger.exe. I do see where fans of not only

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this show, but the, the original show have really

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enjoyed it because it did feel like a villain of

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the week episode while simultaneously exploring a

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character we haven't explored before. The

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character I'm, referencing is Polaris, of course,

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Magneto's daughter. And just the fact that we end

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the big Apocalypse opening arc with Magneto's

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death to now have his daughter push the forefront

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with a very complicated relationship that did

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allow for exploration of some interesting themes

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about grief. I mean, we can, we can only get a

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grieving Xavier so much. So I, I like that pivot

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to then use Polaris as that counterpoint, who is

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dealing with her own set of grief. So I, I like

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that. And it's also just goes back to the

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presentation of this is a school for the gifted,

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you know, and, and that whole concept that we're

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very familiar with in terms of these, this

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character, these Marvel characters in particular.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. I mean, I did like the whole Danger

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Room concept, you know, to the next level and, and

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to the place where the room feels physically

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becomes a being to your point, as far as this

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being a villain of the week. but it also just some

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of the real world things as far as with AI too

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where you're seeing the worst fears of the

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computers really rising up and taking over and in

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this context, coming up and taking over something

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that's a real challenge to Xavier to the point

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where he had, you know, come up with that is

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psionic suit to be able to, to, to defeat it

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because it was just so powerful.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah.

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And then at the end of the episode we see

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Apocalypse revive Gambit, have a new host, which

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leads us into episode seven, Strange Land Savage

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Heart, which is centered around Nightcrawler and

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Creed because Creed gets kidnapped and is taken

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hostage and Nightcrawler comes to hold court,

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which Nightcrawler just. Just gives us some great

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lines at the end of the day. I mean, born of one

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original sin is sin, a hatred of mutants. And

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Which. Which is not a Nightcrawler line. But like,

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brother, you may not be a mutant, but you are very

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much your parents. Son. essentially Cooper, he.

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His whole defense of Cooper was that, Cooper has

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abandonment issues because he. He was a human. He

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was treated differently by his parents. And. And

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that mu. That mutated into a hatred for all

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mutants. So I really like that. I thought it was

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really interesting. But what about you, Will?

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, giving. Getting

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really get digging into Nightcrawler, you know,

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and. And Creed's shared history there, given that,

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you know, Mystiques being their mother, Sabertooth

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being Creed's father. And, you know, he did not

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get to mutate a gene, you know, and having, you

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know, having. It was great seeing Colossus back,

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you know, and Colossus because of, you know,

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earlier about things. People being driven by

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grief, you know, Colossus being driven by grief of

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his sister's death and which led him to, you know,

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join with. With, Exodus and that group. And then,

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you know, and then how the episode really did, you

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know, really got into the whole philosophical

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debate as far as their redemption versus inherited

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trauma and inherited hatred. And. And so it. I. I

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really, you know, of course they had a great

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fight. They had the fights too. And of course, you

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know, we did have the fight with, you know, with

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Nightcrawler and Exodus and all that and. And all.

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But you do. I thought that the, you know, this.

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What I really liked about this episode, it really

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did get to the philosophical core that, you know,

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X Men always will. Why is, you know, so resonant

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with people as far as. As far as the comic book

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property. because, you know, because it does ask

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these questions. And. And then even, you know,

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even, you know, after. With the trial, Kurt, you

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know, ex Colossus, like, you know, what was your

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verdict? And. And, you know, Colossus is like,

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well, you know, I was going to, For, you know, for

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Exodus and all that. And. But also Nightcar did

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make a judgment too, where he was just like, I'm

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not going to kill my brother, but I'm not going

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to. You know, but I'm just going. I'm not going to

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help him either. He just like left it. In the, in

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the wasteland. So, so, yeah, it definitely left a

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lot of things, you know, explored a lot of things.

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And it did have the resolution as far as Colossus.

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And then as far as a viewer, you know, I, I have

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to say Kirk made some very compelling arguments as

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far as why his brother should have been spared.

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>> Sarah : Right, right. I mean, he did leave him in a place

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where he did eventually get found. It wasn't a

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complete wasteland. He could have left him in some

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other bigger hiding spots. So I, I, I don't know.

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He, he pretty much saved him despite leaving him

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in, in the frozen tundra. And, and I agree with

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you, and I think you raise an interesting point

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that I didn't consider before, but with that,

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Coloss, Colossus and grief connection and now

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heading into, like, what was teased in the

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previous episode.

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And then I noted again at the end of this episode,

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this return of Gambit, who is very much Sy Ganosha

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as a whole. And that loss was talked about and

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discussed at the beginning of the season, and now

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it just continues to manifest into episode, eight,

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the Dead Man's Hand. Rogue has nightmares of an

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undead Gambit. X Force brings Apocalypse's corpse

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to X Core. Ganosha, and the two groups join forces

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to track down Gambit, resurrected as the Horsemen

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of Death. My only complaint about this episode is,

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oh, it was annoying at the beginning. It started

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to get a little bit like, okay, all right, that's,

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that's enough of the card puns. But, you know, I

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love me some Remy and Rogue action, so I, I am

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fine with this. I think that we could have even

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explored Remy a bit more. I, I kind of wish, now

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that I'm talking out loud about this season, I

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think what was missing for me was a flashback

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episode of Gambit, something to. Because we, we,

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we know what happened in Genosha and that loss,

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and also we know the relationship between him and

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Rogue, but I guess as an individual, and also his

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connections with everyone outside of Rogue, I just

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think that it would have been better had we felt

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more of a connection directly to Remy as an

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individual, as opposed to what they really focus

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in is on Remy and his connection to Roque. So, so

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I, I think then it would have been stronger

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because the stakes would have been higher.

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>> Will: Yeah, he became a vessel for Apocalypse as well,

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you know, so I think having that, you know, like

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you said, having at least maybe eight episode or,

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or even a part of an episode prior to this, this,

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Apocalypse is, you know, using him to become the

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you know, the Horsemen of Death would have, would

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have like, added some deeper, more, I guess, more

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emotional stakes to it than, than what we got.

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But, you know, but I guess they used it more to

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like, you know, really focus it on, you know,

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Apocalypse's journey. Of course, you know, and

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also where he was trying to, like, quickly to, you

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know, takes. Take the external, you know, pulling

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the, you know, that stone out of her. And also,

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you know, also getting, you know, getting back to,

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you know, cable, you know, his overarching thing

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with this season, just, you know, meeting his, you

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know, his destiny to take out Apocalypse as well.

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>> Sarah : Right.

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>> Will: Ah, right.

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>> Sarah : Which I, I enjoyed that too. It's, it's hard. I

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don't feel like the storylines got muddled. Yeah,

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I, feel as though the way they structured it felt

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like we had a big focus on cable for the first

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two, three episodes. Then we went away and, and

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then we, we focus on Polaris or we focus on

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Wolverine, and then we slowly get back to Gambit.

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And so, so what I'm saying is it, it's not like

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things got muddled because it was a lot of the,

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the. In these last two episodes in particular

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with. Oh, my God. Who are.

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>> Will: We were talking about Gambit and. Oh, oh, oh. We

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were talking about cable.

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>> Sarah : Cable. Like, you haven't met my parents. Yeah, I

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just, just, I, I liked that and I liked seeing

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that as a reminder of where we started this

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season. But I don't know, it just felt like there

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wasn't enough of a check in to really, make it

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feel like a strong through line. It felt like they

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had multiple through lines, so none, of them were

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super strong. They were all like, even if that

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makes sense.

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>> Will: Yeah, I hear it. Yeah. I mean, I think this. There

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were like phases throughout these nine episodes.

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>> Sarah : Right, right. Exactly.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. So, like, the, the first few episodes

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was really that, you know, going back in time,

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sort of, you know, seeing the creation of, inside

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manure becoming Apocalypse. And then, you know,

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then like. Yeah, then episode five was sort of the

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drop in on Wolverine. And then the seventh

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through, you know, episode six and seven really

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felt like, you know, we were just talking about

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the grief angle of things and, and then these last

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two, it's just like, oh, yeah, now we're back to

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the. We're not only we're back to the. Yeah, we

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did all of these things, plus we're going to get

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the politics and all the other things too,

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because, you know, we haven't talked about even

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like with, you know, with Xavier setting up X

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Core, you know, and all the things that are going

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on with. With the US Government, with X Force and

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Cooper, you know, she trying to like, revile.

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Trying to, you know, keep the mutants under.

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Under. Under control. And like, screw that. You

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know, X Men company called X Core, where y' all

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can't have. No. You have no jurisdiction over us

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as far as what we do.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. No, it's pretty wild.

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I, I think though, grief is. Is the strongest

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storyline because that touches on. On everything

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in very different ways.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And all of these storylines, I mean, the grief of

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Cable never having parents.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Like, and then the grief of time constantly

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separating. That. So like the grief Gene and

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Cyclops feel towards. Towards their son and like

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having to give up that time with him for. For

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various reasons as well as morph the. The grief of

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his own abilities and the Lose the loss of others

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around him and need to save other friends as well.

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So I, I think overall grief is strongest through

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line, which, which is why, like, the loss of

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Gambit in the first season was the. Was the big.

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Almost a climactic moment in that season. And so

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to return to that, to have that character come

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back in this unfortunate situation where. Where

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now he's back, but the. Their. Their enemy is

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taking hold of him and they have to do they have

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him, but it's still. They don't have him yet. It

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is in hindsight, a, very well done. I'm just, I'm

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just saying that these storylines all mixed

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together, it still doesn't feel like we spent

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enough time.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I mean, to take it with. From Cable, it never

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feels like enough time. But then again, I think

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that's always the issue with X Man, is that

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there's such an ensemble, there's so many

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characters that yeah, you get a Polaris episode,

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but that also means you don't get to check in with

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half of the cast during that episode or you get a

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random Wolverine and Morph adventure. Again, you

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don't get a check in with half of the cast. So

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thematically they can all center around grief.

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But. But they also tend to be not sticking with

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like one overarching arc, just one overall theme.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, but, yeah, but, you know, but to that

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point about the grief and also, you know, and then

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also the issues of sacrifice. you know, looking at

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the final episode because, you know, of course,

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you know, they go to ship and you know, Hank and

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Kurt are there with Rogue and Work, you know,

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talking with the Celestial. And then it was, you

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know, pretty, pretty brutal as Far as her, like,

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you know, she, you know, she went into the

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Celestial and into to, to negotiate and you know,

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seeing her body, you know, her arms, I mean, skin

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getting ripped off and stuff, I was like, it's a

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bit much for little kids that you're watching

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that. But, but you know, to the larger, you know,

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to the larger point of, grief and then, you know,

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and how, how we deal with grief and you know,

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Rogue's choice to, to basically sacrifice herself,

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so that, so that she and the Gambit can come back

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and she gets that, that amazing suit and, and you

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know, they have, they have the moment, and then,

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you know, everything gets resolved and then she's

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fine. You know, of course Gambit's there. He was

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able to, you know, get extricated from Apocalypse

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as well. But, but, you know, they learned that

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Kurt's gone and you know, he sacrificed himself

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and he made a deal for. Made it, you know,

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exchanged his life for his sisters. And so, yeah,

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you know, so yes, it was, you know, to that point

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about what we're discussing grief. Yeah. You know,

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the team was able to succeed and, and, and, and,

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and all. But again, you know, it comes at such a

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price. And you know, of course now they're having,

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you know, grieved the loss of, of, of another. Of

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a friend.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. They was the watch in every episode.

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>> Will: you know, I have, I, don't recall. I, I have to go

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back and look again. I think it was. He did.

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>> Sarah : He, he, he was in like the last two.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : There, There is one moment in particular like, I'm

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like, okay, what are you gonna. I, I forget if it

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was the last episode or the second to last episode

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that, there's that clear. M. So, so I'm just

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curious if he was even in the first season.

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>> Will: I remember him. Yeah, I do think. Yeah, I do

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remember him showing up in the first season, but

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I, Yeah, but I have to go back and look and see if

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he appeared. You know, of course, you know, the

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times you talked about. But there were any during

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the first half of the season that. Where he

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appeared.

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>> Sarah : Right, right. No, I agree with you. It was a good.

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Did I completely understand what was happening

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with Celestial? No, I, I didn't really understand

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that. I was also very confused when Rogue just

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walked out. And I'm like, I thought this came with

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the cost of your life, but. Yeah, so, but then

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there was the swap later, so. So I, I get what

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they did and everything you said is, is very

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Valid. I. I also, the. The Stinger at the end is

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that Mystique is back and she kind of takes over

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Dr. Cooper, takes on Dr. Cooper's life. So. So we

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even get a tease. But. But it is.

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And that's the other thing. Like a classic comic

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book, like a classic episode of television in this

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genre. The heroes win, but it comes at a cost.

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>> Will: Yeah, big cost. Because. And they really set it up

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really well because, you know, we. You know,

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early, you know, we. Earlier in the season, we

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have Creed running for president. And then, of

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course, you know, for folks who may or may not

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know the backstory, as far as Creed and

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Nightcrawler and Mystique and Sabertooth, you

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know, being their parents, as far as, you know,

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Creed and Nightcrawler. And then, of course, you

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know, whatever, you know, now he gets, you know,

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we learned that, you know, before, you know,

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Val's, like, watching the news and she sees that

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Creed is successful in winning the election. And

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then, of course, Mystique does come in and, you

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know, shoots her and of course, pulls the dossier.

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And so again, you know, it's really cool. They,

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like, you go through her background. You can see

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in the dossier, edc, you see, like, you know, Anne

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Marie, you, know, which. That's Rogue. And then

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you see great, you know, Crease grading, his name

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is blacked out. And Kirk Wagner, of course, is

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Nightcrawler. So, you know, so it was just a lot

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of. Just Easter eggs that they, like, packed into

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that. Into that end credit. But also they set a

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lot of those Easter eggs up throughout the season

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and also building towards what's going to be the

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big. You know, obviously Mystique's going to be

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clearly the big bad for. For season three. And.

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And also the Brotherhood of Mutants coming back as

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well, because at San Diego Comic Con, they did

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announce who all the. Who all the, Who all. As far

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as the Brotherhood is coming back. Blob, Pyro,

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Avalanche, Toad. Is there going to be the. The

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Brotherhood of Mutants who are, you know, the evil

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team. Come. You know, that will be. That'll be

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present in that third season. So. And so it'll be

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interesting to see if, like, you know, Creed

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legitimizes them as far as, you know, being a, you

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know, part of the government and, you know, and

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especially now given Mystique is taking over Val,

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who was head of X Force. So, you know, so there's

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a lot of cool things that they have that they

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really set up for for the third season.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. What Makes you more excited for the upcoming

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live action movie. Is it this show or is it Spider

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Man? Brand new day.

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>> Will: Oh, good question.

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>> Sarah : Just curious.

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>> Will: You know, both of them. I don't want to do the

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weasel out and say both. Do you think the, this

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show reminded me of how rich that the X Men

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tapestry is to something you said earlier. How

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much is this in ensemble? So it does, you know, so

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you're right. There is. It is very hard for them

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to balance like all of these various stories and

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characters. And you do have situations where, you

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know, we will, you know, have the Wolverine story

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and we'll check in on Charles dealing with, you

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know, fighting with, you know, with the danger

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room personified. But yeah, so I think I had to go

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with X Men 97 by it. Yeah. As. As got. Got me a

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little bit more hype for it than, than. Than

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Spider Man. As far as just the X Men movie coming

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out that we got news, you know, from D23 coming

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up.

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>> Sarah : I. So I, I, agree with you because I love Sadie

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Sink. I love her. That also we didn't get a lot of

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Jean Gray. We. We got just enough for service of

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that movie that wasn't really an X Men movie. I am

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excited to hear about that Speculation though, if,

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if St. Spidey is going to show up in the X Men and

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just. I mean, they all are in New York apparently.

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Anyway, that's neither. Here. There.

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What I was going to say is why I think that this

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show has made me more excited is because of the

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whole Adam Driver of it all and Mr. Sinister.

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Having watched the first season, I am, When they

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announced that. Do I agree with the way they

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announced that? No. That was awkward as hell.

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They. They did not. That did not play the way they

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thought that would play. It was just completely

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missed. But I do like, because, at first I was

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really pissed. Will I have to tell you, I was

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like, really? I don't see that at all. Bang. No,

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no, I didn't see it at all. And then as soon as

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he. He said the other name and it was Mr.

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Sinister, you're like, okay, I see that a whole

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lot more. That makes a lot more sense. And it

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also. It's very much the fact that we're getting

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Mr. Sinister, Emma Frost. I just like this idea.

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We're not going to spend another movie about

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Magneto and Professor X. Okay. I'm sure we're

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going to get Magneto eventually, but we've been

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inundated and have to bring Spider Man. Brand new

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day Back up, because that's all anybody's talking

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about right now. And the fact of the matter is, is

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that we got Osborne, but we got Osborne in a very.

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In the same way we had him before. So, like. Like,

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what I'm getting at is the Tom Holland movies have

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not done a retread of those villains. And somebody

482
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on a podcast pointed this out, and I thought it

483
00:24:46,460 --> 00:24:48,790
was genius. and I never thought about it before.

484
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:53,270
None of the Tom Holland Spider man movies feature

485
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:58,670
a true nemesis of, Ah, Spider Man. The closest we

486
00:24:58,670 --> 00:25:01,270
get is no way Home.

487
00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:02,630
>> Will: Yeah, I was gonna say.

488
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:06,750
>> Sarah : Well, that, that. But he's. Again, from the Tobey

489
00:25:06,750 --> 00:25:08,230
Maguire movies. Oh.

490
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:11,030
>> Will: Oh, I. I get you. So you mean. So Tom Holland's

491
00:25:11,450 --> 00:25:11,890
Spider Man.

492
00:25:11,890 --> 00:25:12,650
>> Sarah : Spider Man.

493
00:25:12,970 --> 00:25:15,450
>> Will: Like, I think the closest is Scorpion, maybe.

494
00:25:16,410 --> 00:25:19,650
>> Sarah : Yeah, even that. That's the Reach, and I'll allow

495
00:25:19,650 --> 00:25:24,810
it because, I mean, sure, but it's. It's. Scorpion

496
00:25:24,810 --> 00:25:26,170
isn't front and center.

497
00:25:26,490 --> 00:25:27,290
>> Will: No, he's not.

498
00:25:27,610 --> 00:25:30,850
>> Sarah : No. It's. So. It's very interesting. And. And it's

499
00:25:30,850 --> 00:25:34,330
not like Jean Gray hates Spider Man. Spider man

500
00:25:34,330 --> 00:25:36,490
just is getting in her way of finding out the

501
00:25:36,490 --> 00:25:37,490
truth about her sister.

502
00:25:37,490 --> 00:25:37,530
>> Will: Yeah.

503
00:25:38,500 --> 00:25:42,540
>> Sarah : So. So we're. It's a very. It was a very

504
00:25:42,540 --> 00:25:45,460
interesting point that. That is done on purpose

505
00:25:45,540 --> 00:25:49,540
because this character and those villains, we have

506
00:25:49,540 --> 00:25:52,300
seen so many iterations, and yet we still come

507
00:25:52,300 --> 00:25:56,160
back for more. And so. So it was kind of a, almost

508
00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:01,040
like a reboot, refresh in a way. And now, given

509
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,950
the current state of that character, you can bring

510
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:10,510
on the big nemesis and, like, the stakes are

511
00:26:10,510 --> 00:26:14,750
there, the need, it feels more earned, I guess, as

512
00:26:14,750 --> 00:26:18,830
a hero, especially as, like a legacy hero. But.

513
00:26:18,830 --> 00:26:21,870
And. And I'm excited about that potentially being

514
00:26:22,030 --> 00:26:24,350
on a similar path of what they're doing here,

515
00:26:24,830 --> 00:26:27,470
where there's been plenty of TV shows, there's

516
00:26:27,470 --> 00:26:30,510
been plenty of movies about the X Men. The movies

517
00:26:31,140 --> 00:26:35,340
arguably not really done right. So there. There's

518
00:26:35,340 --> 00:26:38,500
a lot of pressure for this to go good. But. So I.

519
00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:41,100
From that long rant, I guess everybody knows my

520
00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:44,500
opinion about Adam Driver being cast as Mr. Yeah.

521
00:26:44,500 --> 00:26:47,099
>> Will: Well, to that point too, when I did see the Adam

522
00:26:47,099 --> 00:26:50,580
Driver was bent, was named Mr. Sinister, I was

523
00:26:50,580 --> 00:26:52,890
happy that they went that route because, yeah, it

524
00:26:52,890 --> 00:26:55,370
definitely plays better, not only from the

525
00:26:55,370 --> 00:26:57,330
character and again, just because of what we've

526
00:26:57,330 --> 00:27:01,050
seen about Mr. Sinister in X Men 97. For. For

527
00:27:01,050 --> 00:27:03,030
folks who may have not read, you know, you, know,

528
00:27:03,030 --> 00:27:05,910
I. I will freely admit I haven't read as many X

529
00:27:05,910 --> 00:27:08,270
Men comics, so I'm not like, steeped in the lore

530
00:27:08,270 --> 00:27:10,750
there. But you know, but you know, my entry and

531
00:27:10,750 --> 00:27:14,430
my, you know, my knowledge of X Men, you know,

532
00:27:14,430 --> 00:27:17,310
again, you know, comes from a lot from the, the

533
00:27:17,310 --> 00:27:20,550
comic, you know, the cartoon adaptation of. Of X

534
00:27:20,550 --> 00:27:22,350
Men. And I know that, you know, just like they do

535
00:27:22,350 --> 00:27:24,470
in live action, they will adapt, you know,

536
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:28,100
storylines from, you know, from, from the comics.

537
00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:29,900
Like even like X Core. I mean that was something

538
00:27:29,900 --> 00:27:33,500
that was adapted for, you know, not. It wasn't a

539
00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:36,620
one for one, you know, adaptation from. Into the

540
00:27:36,620 --> 00:27:38,900
show. It never is. But they'll, they'll, they'll.

541
00:27:38,900 --> 00:27:40,860
They'll draw inspiration from the source material.

542
00:27:41,260 --> 00:27:44,140
But what I saw. But you know, to that point about.

543
00:27:44,220 --> 00:27:47,020
I'm glad he's not Mysterio. I mean Magneto. Excuse

544
00:27:47,020 --> 00:27:48,620
me. I was thinking Mysterio because I stick a

545
00:27:48,620 --> 00:27:50,580
Spider Man. I have. I'm still like hung up on that

546
00:27:50,580 --> 00:27:52,700
point. That, ah. That person that you said about

547
00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:55,480
the, you know, Tom Holland not having a true

548
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,400
village. I'm like, yeah, fine, I'll, I'll.

549
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,520
>> Sarah : Mysterio. Hate Tony Stark.

550
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,950
>> Will: Yeah. And even like, I guess even with Tony Stark.

551
00:28:04,110 --> 00:28:06,670
Tony Stark. Yeah. Yeah. So it's. Yeah, even though

552
00:28:06,670 --> 00:28:09,110
they did show up in, in the Spider man movie.

553
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:13,310
>> Sarah : So I, I'm not saying like his rogues gallery isn't

554
00:28:13,310 --> 00:28:14,910
present. That is not the argument.

555
00:28:14,910 --> 00:28:16,590
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I know that's not different

556
00:28:16,830 --> 00:28:18,960
>> Sarah : things, which is it's very unique.

557
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:22,480
>> Will: Yeah, sorry. Yeah, I digressed a bit because. But

558
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,860
bottom line is the casting as. As Adam Driver

559
00:28:25,860 --> 00:28:28,380
there for as. As M. As Mr. Sinister calls this.

560
00:28:28,380 --> 00:28:29,740
Spot on. Yeah. Question.

561
00:28:29,820 --> 00:28:34,020
>> Sarah : Okay. Question is what are your thoughts on the

562
00:28:34,020 --> 00:28:35,980
Professor X casting?

563
00:28:36,220 --> 00:28:37,740
>> Will: Well, let's, yeah, let's just run through the

564
00:28:37,740 --> 00:28:38,700
whole casting. So.

565
00:28:39,020 --> 00:28:41,460
>> Sarah : Well, can I get, can I get your thoughts on this

566
00:28:41,460 --> 00:28:43,340
one? We're going to run through the whole casting.

567
00:28:43,340 --> 00:28:45,900
I just want to specifically know because this one

568
00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:50,830
was the one where I had the most, arguably the

569
00:28:50,830 --> 00:28:54,110
most interesting. Just because it came. I, I know

570
00:28:54,110 --> 00:28:58,070
it was rumored and. But it, it's also, it's a very

571
00:28:58,070 --> 00:29:00,950
different name. It's a much younger Charles

572
00:29:01,270 --> 00:29:01,950
memories.

573
00:29:01,950 --> 00:29:04,070
>> Will: Yeah, that's the place where I was kind of like.

574
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:06,630
Because honestly I. Honestly a lot of the

575
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:09,790
speculation and all the Internet chatter and

576
00:29:09,790 --> 00:29:13,230
stuff, I've really just not really tuned into it

577
00:29:13,230 --> 00:29:17,550
at all. So what I, so I came. So whenever the

578
00:29:17,550 --> 00:29:20,430
announcements were made at D23 this past weekend,

579
00:29:20,430 --> 00:29:23,400
I was I didn't have any feelings strongly one way

580
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,000
or another other than what I texted to you over

581
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,400
the weekend. It was what it was. You know, it Was

582
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,760
nice to see a chocolate storm, but, but beyond

583
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,160
that, as far as far as, you know, what direction

584
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,040
they were going to go, I didn't have any feelings.

585
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,090
I will say though, you, know, I haven't, I didn't

586
00:29:39,090 --> 00:29:43,290
watch Girls, so. And I was looking at Abbott's

587
00:29:43,290 --> 00:29:46,880
IMDb just to see, you know, if I was familiar with

588
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,080
any of his work prior to this and, and honestly

589
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:50,960
I'm not.

590
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,320
>> Sarah : So outside of Girls, that's the only thing I've

591
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:55,600
really seen him in.

592
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,520
>> Will: Yeah, but, but the age limit there, given that

593
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,840
he's only, you know, he's only in his late 30s,

594
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,680
early maybe, I think maybe early 40s at most

595
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,360
>> Sarah : that, you know, 40. He was born the same year as

596
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:08,880
my brother.

597
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,840
>> Will: Okay. So the age difference, you know, given that

598
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,680
we've always seen Charles being more of a paternal

599
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,140
influence. X Men, I wonder how they're going to

600
00:30:19,140 --> 00:30:21,700
handle that given, you know, he's, he's only, you

601
00:30:21,700 --> 00:30:24,220
know, he's only a few years older than a lot of

602
00:30:24,220 --> 00:30:25,660
these characters, these other actors.

603
00:30:25,820 --> 00:30:29,260
>> Sarah : Well, some, not all. There are a lot of young 20

604
00:30:29,660 --> 00:30:33,700
year olds on this cast as well. And makeup does an

605
00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:37,260
amazing thing. Yeah, I mean I watched Mandy Moore

606
00:30:37,260 --> 00:30:40,040
in her late 30s play a six year old woman. Okay.

607
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:43,230
on this Is Us. So there are ways to make these

608
00:30:43,230 --> 00:30:48,780
actors look old, look older. But I, I, I do, I, I

609
00:30:48,780 --> 00:30:52,100
did watch Girls and so it's just like, man, this

610
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:53,380
is a girl's costume.

611
00:30:53,380 --> 00:30:54,860
>> Will: Adam Driver. Yeah, yeah.

612
00:30:55,420 --> 00:30:59,580
>> Sarah : But I also, I just, I like it because to go to

613
00:30:59,580 --> 00:31:02,090
back to your point about Storm casting with my

614
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,090
boy, that's a theater actor, a virtual unknown on

615
00:31:06,090 --> 00:31:09,010
the big screen. So that brings a lot of interest

616
00:31:09,580 --> 00:31:10,460
and intrigued.

617
00:31:10,460 --> 00:31:14,300
And then you have you. I think the only one,

618
00:31:14,940 --> 00:31:17,780
arguably we're not talking about Sadie Sink. Okay.

619
00:31:17,780 --> 00:31:21,500
But the only one speculation wise that I felt

620
00:31:21,820 --> 00:31:26,170
pretty confident and was Kit Connor as the whole

621
00:31:26,330 --> 00:31:29,570
Navarretti situation with Rogue. I remember

622
00:31:29,570 --> 00:31:33,610
bringing up to you that casting months ago when

623
00:31:34,090 --> 00:31:36,970
session was out and people were starting to fan

624
00:31:36,970 --> 00:31:41,280
cast and the fan casted her so. But then the

625
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,320
conversation changed. And Katie, she was in Beef

626
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,120
Season 2. Is it Kaylee Sweeney or is it.

627
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:50,560
>> Will: I think that sounds right.

628
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:55,680
>> Sarah : Yeah. She from, from Alien Ramanous as well. She

629
00:31:55,920 --> 00:32:01,360
was apparently making strong pitches and effort to

630
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,690
get that role. Both of them are short. I'm just

631
00:32:04,690 --> 00:32:06,850
going to put that out there because I've heard

632
00:32:06,850 --> 00:32:09,450
some people do complaints about the height. Both

633
00:32:09,450 --> 00:32:13,410
of them are short. So honestly with Speedy. Having

634
00:32:13,410 --> 00:32:15,810
watched Beef Season 2 earlier this year, I was

635
00:32:15,810 --> 00:32:18,250
like do not, do not. Because she's way too short.

636
00:32:18,330 --> 00:32:22,810
But Indy Navarretti is also very short. So here or

637
00:32:22,810 --> 00:32:27,450
there. Anyway, I'm, I'm not mad at the indie

638
00:32:27,530 --> 00:32:30,770
Navarretti of it all because when I heard that fan

639
00:32:30,770 --> 00:32:34,030
cast seen before, I was like, okay, well if she's

640
00:32:34,030 --> 00:32:36,590
gonna get an Oscar this year for her part in

641
00:32:36,590 --> 00:32:39,870
Obsession, then of course she's gonna get cast in

642
00:32:39,870 --> 00:32:41,590
the next big Marvel movie.

643
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:43,830
>> Will: Yeah, that was definitely one of the cast. Yeah. I

644
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:46,470
mean, as far as like, I guess Feige doing the.

645
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:48,710
We're going with a name because you know, getting

646
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:51,070
a name, you know, right as it's going to like

647
00:32:51,070 --> 00:32:53,270
really pop. Yeah. So that, that, yeah, so I'll

648
00:32:53,270 --> 00:32:55,470
give him that one for, for, for Indy. And of

649
00:32:55,470 --> 00:32:57,030
course, you know, we, you know, we're very

650
00:32:57,030 --> 00:32:58,990
familiar with their work from, from Superman and

651
00:32:58,990 --> 00:32:59,410
Lois.

652
00:32:59,410 --> 00:33:02,410
>> Sarah : yeah. Yeah. And I never had an issue with her as

653
00:33:02,410 --> 00:33:04,770
an actress. I want to make that clear. I always

654
00:33:04,770 --> 00:33:07,250
had an issue with the character she was playing

655
00:33:07,410 --> 00:33:11,980
and how she was written. and. And ah, I am I'm

656
00:33:11,980 --> 00:33:14,579
very much for those wondering. I'm very much on

657
00:33:14,579 --> 00:33:17,400
the fence and I'm going, I, probably will before

658
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,960
the year's out. Watch Obsession. I feel like I

659
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,880
know what it's all about and I feel like I know

660
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,540
how the story is going to go. So. So I, I kind of

661
00:33:27,540 --> 00:33:30,700
still want to distance myself. But I, I do need to

662
00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:33,860
watch it. And especially because with my Paramount

663
00:33:34,260 --> 00:33:37,820
account it's free, so there's no reason not to

664
00:33:37,820 --> 00:33:38,180
watch it.

665
00:33:38,180 --> 00:33:39,860
>> Will: Yeah, you need to watch it. A friend of mine

666
00:33:39,860 --> 00:33:41,340
watched it. They said they thought the movie was

667
00:33:41,340 --> 00:33:43,100
overrated, but I gotta just make my own judgment

668
00:33:43,100 --> 00:33:43,460
for that.

669
00:33:43,940 --> 00:33:46,420
>> Sarah : See that's. But that's the thing. Like of course

670
00:33:46,420 --> 00:33:48,780
it's overrated because the only people who think

671
00:33:48,780 --> 00:33:51,620
that it's gonna be rated are those who watched it

672
00:33:52,150 --> 00:33:56,160
like, like opening weekend or the first ones at

673
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,400
this point. So, so that's why I'm like, I need

674
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,560
distance from all the conversation.

675
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,710
>> Will: Yeah. what do you think about Kid? I mean again,

676
00:34:03,710 --> 00:34:04,750
it's the person I have.

677
00:34:04,750 --> 00:34:08,910
>> Sarah : I'm not familiar with his work. So. Yeah, I, I've

678
00:34:09,150 --> 00:34:12,750
my thoughts about casting was like that name is

679
00:34:12,750 --> 00:34:14,830
the one that was. I've seen the most.

680
00:34:15,310 --> 00:34:15,429
>> Will: Yeah.

681
00:34:15,429 --> 00:34:17,700
>> Sarah : throwing out there. So I'm not surprised that it

682
00:34:17,700 --> 00:34:20,860
went. Went to him. So that was my thought about

683
00:34:20,940 --> 00:34:21,420
Kit.

684
00:34:21,420 --> 00:34:24,420
>> Will: Yeah. Emma Frost. As far as M. Samara Weaving, you

685
00:34:24,420 --> 00:34:26,780
know, I think that's a good. Pretty solid casting.

686
00:34:26,780 --> 00:34:29,380
>> Sarah : I think there visually I think that's solid. And I

687
00:34:29,380 --> 00:34:31,620
say visually because I'm not very familiar with

688
00:34:31,620 --> 00:34:32,140
her work.

689
00:34:32,380 --> 00:34:34,620
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, same. I mean, I think I've seen her.

690
00:34:34,700 --> 00:34:37,380
Yeah, yeah, that's just it. I mean all of these

691
00:34:37,380 --> 00:34:40,580
actors, other than Adam Driver, I haven't really.

692
00:34:40,580 --> 00:34:42,490
I mean, obviously, you know, clearly Maya, because

693
00:34:42,490 --> 00:34:45,650
I know she was theater actress and Juliet, she's

694
00:34:45,650 --> 00:34:48,770
been. She was doing. She just premiered and filmed

695
00:34:48,770 --> 00:34:50,790
with Taj, Pete Hender Anderson and Cedric the

696
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:53,310
Entertainer. Debbie. It's a Debbie Allen directed

697
00:34:53,310 --> 00:34:55,710
film called Joe. Let me write. See, I wrote it

698
00:34:55,710 --> 00:34:59,310
down. Joe Turn, come, come. Joe's turn. Come and

699
00:34:59,310 --> 00:35:02,110
gone. It's August Wilson play that's been adapted

700
00:35:02,110 --> 00:35:04,350
for the screen. That's her first screen credit. So

701
00:35:04,430 --> 00:35:07,030
it just released. So. But you know, she was an

702
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:10,190
angel yet and you know, doing eight shows a night

703
00:35:10,350 --> 00:35:13,350
on Broadway so ratios a week or whatever. So on

704
00:35:13,350 --> 00:35:15,670
Broadway. So, you know, she definitely brings the

705
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:18,190
acting chops there. And they did definitely cast,

706
00:35:18,190 --> 00:35:20,590
you know, for. Definitely seems like they cast for

707
00:35:20,590 --> 00:35:23,690
the look and they. And you know, finding best act,

708
00:35:23,690 --> 00:35:27,730
best actor actor for the role and. And I can't,

709
00:35:27,730 --> 00:35:27,970
you know.

710
00:35:27,970 --> 00:35:31,170
And speaking of podcasts, I, I overheard a funny

711
00:35:31,170 --> 00:35:33,970
conversation that took us back to when we watched

712
00:35:33,970 --> 00:35:36,410
the studio and Van Lathan on the Higher Learning

713
00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:39,010
Today. I was listening to that podcast. So he was

714
00:35:39,010 --> 00:35:40,890
talking about the episode in the studio where they

715
00:35:40,890 --> 00:35:42,820
were. Remember when they were like casting the.

716
00:35:43,210 --> 00:35:45,290
>> Sarah : Yeah, it was my favorite episode of the season.

717
00:35:45,610 --> 00:35:47,690
>> Will: Yeah. And they had. Yeah, they were getting all

718
00:35:47,690 --> 00:35:50,330
twisted in knots because of like, you know, oh,

719
00:35:50,330 --> 00:35:52,490
you know, we can't cast this person because we'll

720
00:35:52,490 --> 00:35:54,830
have, you know, we got tick all the boxes for like

721
00:35:54,830 --> 00:35:57,030
all these representative groups. Yeah. And it

722
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:59,590
reminded me of that, you know, whenever I texted

723
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you over the weekend about you know, the whole

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biracial, you know, conversations that's been

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around storm with, you know, Halle Berry in the

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past and what was the name? I think Alexander

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Schiff who played her and some of the. Played a

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younger version of the character and some of the

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Fox movies earlier in the. In the 20. 20, 22

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thousands. But it was. I was thinking that same

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thing and. But I think overall people are pretty.

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You know, I have to say Kevin Feige nailed it this

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time. You know, getting, you know, having an

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African American actress who's not a biracial play

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it. I mean, it's just colorism is a thing that's a

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big thing in the African American community. So.

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So I'm, I'm glad that they went that route. And I

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think overall people are pretty happy with that

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not only because of just that aspect of it, but

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she definitely seems to have the chops. And yeah,

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it's also some commentary. Commentator. No, like,

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you know, it could be like the next few Jackman,

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you know, type casting. When they, when they cast

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him as X as a Wolverine for the first X Men movie

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back in the, when it, when it did that live action

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version.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I heard that comparison about Indy because

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there's been so much backlash about her casting.

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Yeah. So you, could say that about anybody because

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they're Abbott's biracial.

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>> Will: So the biracials got there.

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>> Sarah : There is such noise out there about casting,

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casting. And at the end of the day, this is just

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casting. So there's got to be a good script and

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everybody has to deliver. So we shall see on 55

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28.

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>> Will: But I will say, you know Jake Schreier, who

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directed Thunderbolts, which we both really,

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really enjoy.

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>> Sarah : I liked it more than Will.

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>> Will: No, no, no, I. No, no, no, don't go. I'm, not

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going to do that. I freely admit I went into that

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movie with very low expectations, but I came out

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of it with. I really enjoyed that movie. So. Not

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gonna let you do that.

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>> Sarah : He also doesn't like Florence Pugh, everyone. But

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anyway, continue on with what you're saying. So

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we.

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>> Will: This way. It's late and I, like I said, I, I do.

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No, I'm just very. I think he'll do a good job

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directing his film. It's bottom line. So.

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>> Sarah : No, I, I appreciate that you bring up the director

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as well. And thank you for reminding me that he is

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the director of Thunderbolts. And yeah, I, I think

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it's gonna be interesting. It's. It's already been

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an interest with Spider Man. Brand new day. And we

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got Doomsday coming.

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>> Will: We got the doomsday. We got the In Game encore

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too. So.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, so. And then Vision Quest as well. So

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things are coming. And then 20, 20, 28, it'll be

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another like onslaught for sure. But on that note,

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Will, why don't you tell our listeners where they

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can find you.

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>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at, Will

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and, Polk W I L L M P O L K. And you can

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>> Sarah : find me there too at SJ Belmont S J B L M M O N T.

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You're welcome.

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>> Will: Sam.