The Boys Series Finale: Did It Stick the Landing? + Punisher One Last Kill Review

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>> Will: I gotta tell you, it was perfect. Perfect? Was it

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perfect? Stick around to hear our thoughts. Coming

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up now,

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>> Sarah : this is seen in Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah

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Belmont, and with me, as always, is our mystery

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producer, Will Will Polk Carry doing tonight,

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Will.

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. How you doing this

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Thursday evening?

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>> Sarah : I'm doing good, but, I feel like I have been

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withholding something from you.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : Because I was thinking about it and I'm like, I

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never told Will that. A few weekends ago for

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Mother's Day, my mom and I went to go see Michael

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in theater.

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>> Will: Oh, what did you think? What did you think? I have

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not seen Michael.

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>> Sarah : Okay, so here's overall thoughts without trying to

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give away things about a biography cgi. Really?

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Really, guys? Really? That was necessary. There's

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two points. One's an animal and one's a place that

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happens twice. And. And it's so noticeable to me

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that I'm like, yeah, I don't believe that. That's

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like, how can LA and. Or Vegas, I forget some

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place in North America look exactly like London?

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Okay, So I don't know why the CGI was necessary.

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Point number one. we. We did miss the first ten

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minutes, but that was fine. it's going to get a

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sequel.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : they. They wrote it in a way where it sets it up

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for it. it's a. We. Music is the highlight. The

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dancing, the recreation of those iconic

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performances are the highlight.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : The getting into his psychology, they don't go

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that deep, in my opinion. They do not go that

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deep. And. And then when you sit back and start to

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think about, well, the family is behind this, and.

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And all of that, we got a very small surface

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level, in my opinion, of the journey now. It's

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fun. My mom had a great time. My mom, like. Like,

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she grew up in this era and she just. Yeah, yeah.

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And then she. She got so lost in it at. At certain

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points, she was like, oh, I forgot about that. And

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even though she. She knows the story by heart

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because she also lived it to an extent. So it's,

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So that was interesting. but, yeah, and. And it's

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weird because it didn't blow me away, but I will

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say I still think about it weeks later. And I

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always know that that's when it's like, okay, I. I

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may have been like, oh, that was okay. But the

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fact that something sticks with me is very telling

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for actually the. What I experienced in the

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theaters. So.

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>> Will: Okay, fair enough.

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>> Sarah : I don't think you have to watch it in theaters by

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the Way. But that's just me.

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>> Will: Yeah, I was planning on just catching it, when it

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comes out on streaming. and. And to your point, I

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know they. It does gonna. It's gonna be a sequel

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one, because I think it ends in. Was it with the.

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Was, The Bad tour is where the movie ends.

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>> Sarah : His. His first tour as a solo, artist. Yeah.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : That's where it ends. That's where.

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>> Will: Well, yeah, well, the first. So Michael's just

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like, you know, as far as his solo career.

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>> Sarah : Oh, now we're. Now we're getting nitpicky. Will.

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I'm not gonna be able to tell. I think it was 88.

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I don't know. It was Sometime, Will.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 88 was bad. I think 88 was bad,

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so. Because off the Wall was like his first solo

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album and that was in the late 70s.

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>> Sarah : Well, yeah, but his first. Did he do a tour after

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that?

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>> Will: Did a little tour, yeah. Yeah. He wasn't with the

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Jackson 5 at that point, but it was.

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>> Sarah : It was kind of. Well, yeah, anyways, so.

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>> Will: But I think the thing about Bad was it was the

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first big tour after. After Thriller. So I think

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that's the thing that, like, you know, because

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obviously Thriller is like the pinnacle of. Of. Of

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Michael, and M as far as commercially and all that

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kind of stuff. I mean, you know, there's some

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other things too. I mean, I guess people may quote

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about that, but. But yeah, I think that was one of

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the things about, the Bad tour, because it was

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just a really big thing. And I think they, like,

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cut it off. Because I know there, you know, a lot

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of stories about why they got it off, cut the film

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off. And part of is just, you know, the Jackson

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estate signed off on this film. But two, I think

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there was some licensing issue. There were some

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issues with. They were getting into stuff in the

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90s.

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>> Sarah : I don't buy any of having watched the movie and

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what they do at the end. They're setting it up for

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a sequel.

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>> Will: Yeah. Oh, yeah. And yeah, to tell more story.

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Yeah, to get into some of those other things.

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>> Sarah : Right. There's like two halves of this story, so.

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>> Will: Yeah, but I haven't seen it.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You. You didn't see

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it. but I just wanted to put out there that I did

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end up going to see it as a Mother's Day gift. and

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now we shall move on to. And I was thinking about

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this earlier. It's been a hot minute since we've

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actually sat down to discuss a Series finale.

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Yeah, I, mean it's. I'm m. Like, when was the last

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time? Like, I feel like there's been some shows,

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but lately, like, I don't. We didn't even finish

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Doom Patrol.

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>> Will: We did finish Doom Patrol. Yeah, we finished Doom

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Patrol. I think the last. So I won't count andor.

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Because it was.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. Like in a really of highly like

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multiple. Multiple seasons. I mean the Arrowverse

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is a big one.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Superman. Yeah, that's fair. I forgot about that.

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>> Will: Superman and Lois. I think that was the last one.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah. But. But to. To now sit down to

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discuss the series finale. The. Of the boys after

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five seasons of just. I don't know how to describe

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it. Trauma, Blood and bone, if you will, which is

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the title of this last episode. the IMDb summary

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is. With everything at stake, the boys abandoned

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it all for one final diabolical showdown. so I

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think the best way to go about this is to kind of

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just go through the episode and as characters

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appear and then we'll just go track their

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journeys. Like, like Sister Stage, for example.

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Because, because at first I'm typing and I'm like,

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oh, they, they don't know if Kamika. If it worked

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on Kimiko. And then the moment Sister Stage comes

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out and yelling at her, I'm like, oh, you're

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trying to trigger it. and then she did give one of

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the. One of her most iconic line reads in that

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whole sequence. I'm just as fucking stupid as you

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all. I'm just stupid like the rest of you guys. I,

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I really like that.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I, I think that they, I don't know. I didn't see

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that one coming. But it made sense with everything

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we know about Sister Sage that, that she would all

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of a sudden the noise would stop in her head and

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she, she would actually be able to live and she

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would become very childlike. but what did you

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think about how they use Sister Sage in this

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opening of the episode?

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>> Will: Yeah, so of course, you know, we do have the

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fallout and the opening episode, with, with you

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know, they have the funeral for Frenchie and all

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that. and you know, and one of the things about

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Sage, when you think, you know, of course there's

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her send off, but there is, you know, with that

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Frenchie's funeral. She's, you know, she's back

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from the group because, you know, she's really not

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a part of that core group of the boys.

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>> Sarah : No, no, I mean she, she helped, she helped them

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Execute the. The final step. Yeah, I like. I also

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liked it when she reminded them, even in her

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stupid state, hey, I. I did stuff. Okay. Didn't do

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everything right.

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>> Will: Right. Yeah. So, yeah. So Frenchie and her working

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together did, you know, create this situation. So

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one of the things I liked about the way they

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structured this. This finale. And I'll. And I'll

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just go ahead and just jump out and say it at the

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get. I thought they stuck the landing. I really

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enjoyed this finale. I think it understood the

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assignment. And one of those parts of the

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assignment, since we are talking about Sage at

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this point, was, okay, her. Her. Her story has

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ended. And. And she. She did her part. She always

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>> Sarah : It had to be somebody to test it. Yeah. Like. Like

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I was. I was immediately thinking that I'm like,

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oh, Annie's gonna become human.

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>> Will: Right.

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>> Sarah : Because there was a lot of talk about powers and

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mortality with Kimiko and Annie. And, So I thought

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they were gonna go there. Yeah. And maybe because

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I thought that I was like, oh, well, yeah, I don't

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know if Sage was the best choice, but. But yeah,

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that's what they did.

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>> Will: That's what they did. You know. And of course,

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Butcher, of course, is sets the whole thing up.

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And. And. And this is probably Sage's last big

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thing where she was just like, okay, how am I

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going to get my ending of going. You know, at the

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end of the day, she ended up going to Disney

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World. I was thinking about. I was thinking about

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this. Yeah, very Harry Potter. Harry Potter Land.

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I was just thinking like, you know, I was thinking

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about those old Super Bowl Disney ads where

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they're like, you know, what are you doing? You

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just won the Super Bowl. What are you going to do?

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I'm going to Disney World or Harry Potter World.

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But, But, I think that. That being the. How.

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Utilizing her. And I think her. This is where her

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genius, like, kind of kicked in. and. And as she.

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Cause she noticed that, you know, even with

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Frenchie's funeral, I think they did cut to her

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whenever she saw the ground starting to move.

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during. During. While they were. While they were

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burying Frenchie and so just carrying it to the

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next.

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>> Sarah : During. During the. The whole thing.

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>> Will: It happens. No, but that there is a moment when

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Kimiko is green and Frenchie at the very beginning

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of the episode. Okay, yeah, I noticed it then. I

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was like. I was like wondering what that was all

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about. And then. But, to your point, it happened

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again whenever. Whenever Sage was throwing all

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that stuff out at her. And then of course, she

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like after.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, what about. So then she's out of the plan

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because she's like, I'm too stupid to handle this.

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>> Will: One last thing. Whatever she want.

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>> Sarah : Okay. Okay, I take it. So, so the plan is to go to

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the White House and have ah, a siege. I don't know

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what is wrong with me, but anytime we're dealing

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with superpower people and the White House, my

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mind automatically goes to the opening sequence of

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X2. I don't know. I, That's. That opening sequence

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had such an impression on me, with Nightcrawler

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that I still to this day I'm like, oh, we're in

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the, we're in the White House and we have super

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power people. Just, that's the counterpoint. I do

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think that from, start to finish, it is a very

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solid sequence and execution of just so many

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character interactions and action sequences and

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barriers getting to that final showdown, in the

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Oval Office on camera that I, I, thought it was

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plotted out very well and there was a lot of. It

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was well paced and everything. the first, like, I

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think the first barrier, if you will, that they

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encounter is the deep. Right. Yep. Because they

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encounter him crying.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : After, After Homelander, acknowledges the truth

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about why he has lived this long. And it's just

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because he, he, he enjoys, he wants. He knows that

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death is one thing, but just the fear, torment of

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his uselessness, will destroy heaven. And, and

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that leads to a showdown that is very true to the

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show. That, and a dynamic that we've been missing

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for seasons but came to surface and I think in a

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really good way because I don't. I think it was a

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smart decision to a, have given what happened in

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season one and like the little reminders and

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callbacks throughout this season of season one.

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fight wasn't really Annie versus Homelander. That

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was a butcher thing. So you needed to remove her

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but also have her own enemy to take down. and that

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was, that was Kevin. That was the deep. And, and

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they set it up perfectly in the previous episode.

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>> Will: They, they really did. Especially, you know, they

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set up several things very well in that previous

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episode. One, obviously Sander and having them

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say, look, you jump in the ocean, you're dead.

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The, the. To, when the moment we talked about this

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last week, the moment where, you know, Kevin had

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mult. He's had multiple times to redeem himself.

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could have, he could have done it Again. And then

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to have Homelander do that just cut down this

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week. And it, just to see Kevin just, I mean,

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that, that look on his face where you see. It's,

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it was like the thing in the Simpsons. I, I saw

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someone say this online, and I completely agree.

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It was like the scene in the Simpsons where Lisa,

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like, you know, tells Ralph that he's, you know,

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that doesn't want to be her boyfriend or whatever,

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her girlfriend. And, like, you can see it like, in

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Bart, like, crush, like, rewound. That scene of,

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like, Ralph, like, him, like, heartbreaking. It's

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the same with, like, deep. Whenever Homelander

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said that stuff to him, because he's just thrown

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and thrown himself at Homelander all the, all

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these times. And so that was just such a great

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payoff for this, you know, character who, you

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know, there was that cut. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : They even, they even, hinted at the way he would

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die with a tentacle, given how he took out that

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director of the Donald.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : Like, it was the same thing. It was so gross.

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>> Will: Yeah. And then they brought, yeah, and they

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brought back the ambrosia of it all. You know, you

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know, another, another big casting. You know,

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Tilda Swinton did the voice for Ambrosia, and,

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and, and, and whenever he, whenever Annie did,

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like, cast him out into the sea and, and all the

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creatures fish and everybody came. The shark,

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sharks, and the giant squid came. I mean, they

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were like justice for ambrosia. So, I mean,

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whatever. Whenever I saw the previously on and

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they, like, referenced that scene, I was like, ah,

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let's see where it's coming. I see where they're

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going.

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>> Sarah : Oh, I, I, I skip those as much as possible because

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I'm like, I don't want to know, but, I don't want

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to be reminded. I want to be in the moment.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : and then, and then, Ashley, Ashley, between her

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and oh Father, I think that there was such good

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ambiguity with them. And Ashley, we've been seeing

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that through honestly throughout the entire show,

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the entire series. I mean, she is, has never been

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powerful, but she still is able to be utilized

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and, and, and survive in this way. And you, and so

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it makes sense. It makes sense given her history

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with Homelander after five seasons, her history of

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thought that she is looking sideways and trying to

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figure out, like, okay, well, somebody has to take

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him out because this is, this is going too far.

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We're, we're, we're past. And then I like that

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whole thing with oh Father, her, her husband,

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because it, because both of them, we even started

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to see it last episode with him is that this, this

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can work over time. But Homelander's no man of

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patience. And, and what he, what. Homelander's

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impatience leads to death. And, and so you see,

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oh, Father. And then you hear him in this episode

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and say, even I just want Butcher and the girl.

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And to me, that was a very clear thing of, he just

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wanted them because he wanted to take Homelander

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out, too.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I love the ambiguity that

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they had, their relations, their scenes together,

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and, you know, and just the, the cat and mouse

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game. So they were going. Who was going to be the

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one to blink first as far as, like, to share their

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doubts about Homelander? Because, you know,

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because Ashley, you know, she was trying to get

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Ashley to, to come back and, and please, please,

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please, you know, even, like, you know, whenever

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she went to, whenever she sent to get the wine and

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stuff, and

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>> Sarah : then she, she makes the decision to save the boys

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because, because she knows that they have the

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ability to take out Homelander. And she, she, she

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always gives me, like, a great, memorable line,

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too. And this, no, he'll rip my tips from my

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vagina.

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>> Will: Yeah, I wasn't saying.

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>> Sarah : Wow, that just rolled off your tongue. Okay, Took

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me a second. I was like, okay, all right. Because,

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because that's still her. She's like, no, no, no,

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I, I got you out of this situation. I'm going that

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way. You guys go that way.

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>> Will: Yeah, she's like, left, Left.

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>> Sarah : Yep. Yeah. yeah, she, she, she can only go so far.

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I mean, that's how she survived thus far. And I,

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I, I did. The writers know what they're doing,

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because the moment I was writing like, oh, Ashley

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remains president. Oh, no, she doesn't. Because I

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was like, okay, so now that that's done, Ashley's

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still in charge. And, and then we see the press

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conference and then immediately headlines like,

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and she has been removed.

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>> Will: Yeah. You know, it's just a great moment. Like a,

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unanimous act of Congress. of Congress. Yeah,

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yeah. Just so on point and. Because, And, you

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know, and it was so fitting in that scene because

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Ashley was like my c. At the CIA. You know, at my

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direction, we're doing this. That, you know, that

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and the other. And yeah, that, that was, that was

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a great moment.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. Huey and Mm. take out oh, Father.

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While Kimiko and Butcher head to the Oval Office

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and showdown with, with Homelander. And so, so

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here. What, what did you think about the, the

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Frenchie bit in this, the scene of her, her lost

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love, to give her the strength to, to dial in and

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deliver that final blow.

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>> Will: So I watched episode twice because first one was

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just. I just, just wanted to see it. Then second

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time, both times, I have to say, it actually

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worked for me. It actually, it actually did. I

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was, I was. You know, it was one of those things

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where I fault if you know, we talked about this

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some of the penultimate and just a relationship

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and you know, I'll bring it up again. They needed.

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It was a, it was a true payoff not only of his

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sacrifice last week, but also the relationship

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that they built up and. Yeah, and, and also

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thinking back about the conversation with, with

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that Sage had whenever they were trying to get

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around up to, to, to just be angry. But it really

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did pay off the fact that, you know, they did have

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this true love for one another and, and that

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goodness that you know that you know, we, we

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talked. I talked about it last week where you

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know, whereas before everybody was. Was in the

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place of saving Frenchie in earlier seasons, this

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season in the roles were reversed and he was the

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one like was. Was saving his is his comrades and

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you know, and, and reminder of that love. And you

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know, for example, she had gone back to. She had

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reverted and stopped talking again and went back

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to sign language and all that. him showing up in

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that moment was just like. It was, it was very

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poetic that their love would be the thing that

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would conquer this narcissist in the other side of

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the room.

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>> Sarah : Weren't there two narcissists on the other side of

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the room?

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>> Will: Yeah, there were. Yeah. We'll get the book. Yeah,

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we'll get the book.

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>> Sarah : Ye. So, so we have that moment and she delivers

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final blow. Also Ryan, Ryan shows up. He, he, he

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also has an early moment on in the episode with

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his father. and, and it's what this show has

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gotten so right and I think is really the

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highlight of this final season is the whole father

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son dynamics between Soldier Boy and Homelander

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and then the Ryan out of it all. It's like let's

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put the father on ice and bring in the kid.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : But, but at the end of the day, Homelander, he, he

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is never going to be that have that son father

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relationship either m. Direction. And that is made

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very clear between what happened previously with

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Soldier Boy and then this final, this final

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conversation with his own son.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : It's. It's just like it doesn't matter. And that's

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why I thought it was very, very beautiful and very

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well done. In terms of the trip up is on the word

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father.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Like, like Homelander is in the zone. He's doing

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his thing. He's spewing the BS like he's done a

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thousand times. And then that single word and, and

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he suddenly is like, oh, no, no, no, I can't. I. I

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have to. I have to show them who I'm really.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And it, And. And it's. And it's so subtle that

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it's like his face doesn't change, but. And it's

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not even that his tone of voice changes. You just.

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There, there's a look in the eye, and then. And

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then he starts his own unconscious rant and, and,

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or subconscious rant. And, and, And so the

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slipping of the mask, even before Butcher and

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Kimiko come into the room, I thought was great

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because. Because all of this emphasis on doubt.

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and so, so I really like that, Ryan, because.

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Because. And then I like the reminder throughout

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all of the fight. Fight sequences. This is being

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televised. Yeah.

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>> Will: Yes. Beautiful.

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>> Sarah : Like, like, at what point does Vaught, think to

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themselves, maybe we should cut the stream? The

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stream. But we keep going and going. Yeah, this

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Homelander is going to get out of it.

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>> Will: That, you know what that was? That was probably

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their biggest fear.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, it would have had to been, because if they,

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if he got out of it and they had cut it, he would

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have been pissed because then there's nothing to

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prove. but. But then again, the slipping of the

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mask already happened, so I thought that. And then

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that, of course, allowed for Ryan to see what was

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going on and then him to head over into action as

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well. And so Kimiko, rightfully so, doesn't just

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end up hitting Homelander, but both Ryan and

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Butcher also, lose their powers. And so I guess

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before we get into the Butcher of it all, we, What

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are your thoughts about Butcher's vengeance on

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Homelander as a human?

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>> Will: Daddy's. Daddy's home. I, think a couple things

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with the, with the short circuit, and I was

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thinking about this, you know, thinking about the

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earlier in the season where they had the plane

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moment, but also when, they had the video of it

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that they tried to spread out to, to the inner. To

483
00:23:19,809 --> 00:23:23,409
the stream and to the public consciousness and

484
00:23:23,409 --> 00:23:26,489
thinking, you know, every season this was a. We've

485
00:23:26,489 --> 00:23:28,889
had those short circuit moments of Homelander, you

486
00:23:28,889 --> 00:23:31,669
know, like going back, way back to season one. You

487
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:33,709
know, to use the plain example again, we, we.

488
00:23:33,709 --> 00:23:36,799
We've had, we had that, we had that moment. He, He

489
00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:39,439
and, and no one would ever believe it. And, you

490
00:23:39,439 --> 00:23:42,399
know, we got. We finally, you know, ultimately,

491
00:23:42,879 --> 00:23:45,319
you know, this show talks, touches so many things,

492
00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:48,319
and one of it is the power of media. And here,

493
00:23:49,199 --> 00:23:53,119
here, once and for all, the power of media truly

494
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,759
was able to break the health, how it could shape

495
00:23:56,759 --> 00:23:59,559
and mold public opinion. And, and, and we've, you

496
00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:01,839
know, we've seen throughout the seasons how things

497
00:24:01,839 --> 00:24:04,199
have been manipulated, you know, to. For these

498
00:24:04,199 --> 00:24:06,559
soups. And then the very thing that like, built

499
00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:09,759
these soups up was the you was like, to your

500
00:24:09,759 --> 00:24:12,199
point, since they didn't cut the feet, was live

501
00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:15,479
for the whole world to see what. Who this man

502
00:24:15,479 --> 00:24:18,039
really is when he short circuited, which I thought

503
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,809
made to. To answer your question, so that when he

504
00:24:21,809 --> 00:24:26,299
was depowered and groveling there, with Butcher

505
00:24:26,299 --> 00:24:29,539
and this whole world to see who this sniveling

506
00:24:29,939 --> 00:24:34,699
narcissist little man is, was just, just. I, It

507
00:24:34,699 --> 00:24:37,219
was like Chef's kiss. I mean, I know we've talked

508
00:24:37,219 --> 00:24:39,219
about. We, you know, this was inevitable as far as

509
00:24:39,219 --> 00:24:40,379
Homelander, the end game.

510
00:24:40,699 --> 00:24:41,019
>> Sarah : Yeah.

511
00:24:41,019 --> 00:24:42,939
>> Will: As far as him dying. But, you know, we, we, We've.

512
00:24:43,099 --> 00:24:46,499
We've had scenarios. Where would it be, you know,

513
00:24:46,499 --> 00:24:49,339
would it be him just living on as a mortal, normal

514
00:24:49,339 --> 00:24:54,089
man? Would that be the greatest pun? or, or him

515
00:24:54,089 --> 00:24:57,209
to, like, get taken out like Butcher did? And to

516
00:24:57,209 --> 00:25:01,169
me, having those moments of him groveling like

517
00:25:01,169 --> 00:25:04,929
that as his last, last memory of his existence,

518
00:25:04,929 --> 00:25:07,648
Chef's kiss, I, I think that's the most perfect

519
00:25:07,648 --> 00:25:11,289
way to, like, end this in Homelander. I thought,

520
00:25:11,529 --> 00:25:14,209
yeah, it really was a super poetic. And ah. I

521
00:25:14,209 --> 00:25:17,209
just, I just. That really was just very earned

522
00:25:17,759 --> 00:25:20,039
moment. I don't know if I would. I don't. I

523
00:25:20,039 --> 00:25:22,719
appreciated what they did in that sequence.

524
00:25:23,189 --> 00:25:27,809
>> Sarah : and so, and so then we cut to, See, at this point

525
00:25:27,809 --> 00:25:30,049
in the episode, I'm like, okay, so we're gonna

526
00:25:30,049 --> 00:25:33,449
start our epilogue now. But we don't. We then go

527
00:25:33,449 --> 00:25:38,329
back to the house and we, we crack open some beers

528
00:25:38,489 --> 00:25:41,949
and we, we start talking. And then the next time

529
00:25:42,099 --> 00:25:45,339
thing, you know, Butcher realizes that terror's

530
00:25:45,339 --> 00:25:50,279
dead. And then he, he takes, the virus. And I.

531
00:25:50,759 --> 00:25:53,239
It's funny because in the back of my mind, during

532
00:25:53,239 --> 00:25:56,319
this whole episode, I was like, we spent so much

533
00:25:56,319 --> 00:26:01,799
time talking about that freaking virus for, for

534
00:26:01,799 --> 00:26:04,479
that not to be the thing to take Homelander out

535
00:26:04,479 --> 00:26:07,679
and for them to like, go shift to plot B. I'm

536
00:26:07,679 --> 00:26:10,759
like, that virus has to come back up again. Right,

537
00:26:11,349 --> 00:26:15,649
right. and. And it does. Because now in his mortal

538
00:26:15,649 --> 00:26:18,489
state, his best friend Just died. There's a

539
00:26:18,489 --> 00:26:24,089
realization that his purpose for the past X amount

540
00:26:24,089 --> 00:26:28,449
of years has. Has been complete. And so what we're

541
00:26:28,449 --> 00:26:32,129
witnessing at the end of this show is really a

542
00:26:32,369 --> 00:26:36,519
purposeless, human called Butcher who has done

543
00:26:36,519 --> 00:26:40,619
some horrible things. and. And. And in a way, it's

544
00:26:40,619 --> 00:26:41,819
just a suicide mission.

545
00:26:41,819 --> 00:26:42,259
>> Will: Yeah.

546
00:26:42,629 --> 00:26:46,439
>> Sarah : because he. He goes to the tower and he. He, he

547
00:26:46,439 --> 00:26:49,889
says he puts it in the sprinkler system. and. And

548
00:26:49,889 --> 00:26:54,049
then. But Huey also shows up and they. They end up

549
00:26:54,209 --> 00:26:57,409
verbally sparring and then physically sparring.

550
00:26:57,489 --> 00:27:01,499
And in the midst of it all, Huey, he. He. Huey

551
00:27:01,499 --> 00:27:04,239
shoots him and. And he bleeds out. what. What did

552
00:27:04,239 --> 00:27:06,949
you think about those choices with Huey being the

553
00:27:06,949 --> 00:27:09,589
one to, at the end of the day, just put. Put

554
00:27:09,589 --> 00:27:11,229
Butcher out of his misery. Misery.

555
00:27:11,229 --> 00:27:14,269
>> Will: It had to be Huey. I mean, this was Huey's. At the

556
00:27:14,269 --> 00:27:17,229
end of the day. This. This. This whole suit thing

557
00:27:17,309 --> 00:27:20,629
started with Huey's moment there outside the store

558
00:27:20,629 --> 00:27:23,509
and when a train ran through his. His girlfriend

559
00:27:23,509 --> 00:27:26,109
and, you know, and, you know, and we've talked. We

560
00:27:26,109 --> 00:27:29,829
talked. We've talked about how, their dynamics,

561
00:27:29,989 --> 00:27:32,189
you know, that's always been the hardest of the

562
00:27:32,189 --> 00:27:35,219
show. Huey, Butcher, you know, and. And their

563
00:27:35,219 --> 00:27:38,569
relationship and the, you know, I think, you know,

564
00:27:38,569 --> 00:27:41,449
season three, we had them both taking a compound B

565
00:27:41,449 --> 00:27:44,049
and all. All of that. And it kind of, you know,

566
00:27:44,049 --> 00:27:46,729
we. It kind of got pushed to the back a little

567
00:27:46,729 --> 00:27:48,569
bit. But then like, you know, in the penultimate

568
00:27:48,569 --> 00:27:50,969
episode when they were in that room and, And. And

569
00:27:50,969 --> 00:27:53,769
the Kessler image came back up, it brought it back

570
00:27:53,769 --> 00:27:57,509
to the full force, their relationship and. And

571
00:27:57,509 --> 00:28:01,279
their dynamics. So, whenever they were having the

572
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,199
verbal back and forth, like, you should have

573
00:28:03,199 --> 00:28:06,099
brought an army, he was like, no, it's just me and

574
00:28:06,099 --> 00:28:09,499
all, you know, I'm paraphrasing. But this moment,

575
00:28:10,539 --> 00:28:13,539
Huey was always the moral core of the voice. And

576
00:28:13,539 --> 00:28:16,179
so it had to. Whenever they had this final

577
00:28:16,179 --> 00:28:18,539
confrontation, so many things were going on there.

578
00:28:18,859 --> 00:28:22,549
and then whenever. And. And Butcher have. Huey was

579
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:24,669
like that. It was the one thing that could, like,

580
00:28:24,669 --> 00:28:27,309
help Butcher find that one last little shred if

581
00:28:27,529 --> 00:28:31,129
mit. So when the moment did happen, and one of the

582
00:28:31,129 --> 00:28:33,809
things that really struck me when it. Whenever

583
00:28:33,809 --> 00:28:36,409
Huey did shoot Butcher was there was no sound. It

584
00:28:36,409 --> 00:28:38,689
was just a muzzle flash and Butcher's reaction,

585
00:28:38,689 --> 00:28:42,009
and it was just so impactful. And also, you saw

586
00:28:42,169 --> 00:28:44,809
Butcher as I was talking about his last shred of

587
00:28:44,809 --> 00:28:47,289
humanity. Huey got to him because he was started

588
00:28:47,289 --> 00:28:50,049
to, like, release his. The pressure on the trigger

589
00:28:50,049 --> 00:28:53,009
point for the. For the, for the virus. so it all

590
00:28:53,009 --> 00:28:57,899
went down. I got. I teared up. I will freely admit

591
00:28:57,899 --> 00:29:00,259
that, you know, their. Their relationship, you

592
00:29:00,259 --> 00:29:02,059
know, I really was invested in these characters.

593
00:29:02,059 --> 00:29:04,499
And so whenever that whole thing went down, you

594
00:29:04,499 --> 00:29:07,619
know, I was sad for. Sad for that. That things had

595
00:29:07,619 --> 00:29:09,979
to go that way, and it was inevitable that was

596
00:29:09,979 --> 00:29:12,019
going to go that way. But it was still very sad.

597
00:29:12,019 --> 00:29:15,939
But also, it was somewhat. I don't want to say

598
00:29:15,939 --> 00:29:19,819
cathartic, but it was. It was somewhat fulfilling

599
00:29:19,819 --> 00:29:23,319
to see that Huey did, at that last moment, touch

600
00:29:23,319 --> 00:29:26,279
Butcher and admit that, sorry, I did not want to

601
00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:28,259
do that. but, you know, it was just. It was just

602
00:29:28,259 --> 00:29:28,979
well executed.

603
00:29:28,979 --> 00:29:31,659
>> Sarah : Okay. So if I'm being honest, it felt clunky to

604
00:29:31,659 --> 00:29:33,659
me, so I'll just leave it at that.

605
00:29:33,979 --> 00:29:35,859
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. No, no. I mean, we just.

606
00:29:35,859 --> 00:29:39,539
>> Sarah : I agree it had to be Huey, because I think last

607
00:29:39,539 --> 00:29:42,099
week some of my comments were misconstrued. And I

608
00:29:42,099 --> 00:29:44,379
just want to. So I want to make sure that I am

609
00:29:44,379 --> 00:29:47,299
clear in my thoughts about the episode. And I am

610
00:29:47,299 --> 00:29:51,819
not saying that the choices to, have Huey kill

611
00:29:51,819 --> 00:29:55,739
Butcher or Brad or Wrong. I am just saying the way

612
00:29:55,739 --> 00:29:59,299
it was executed felt clunky because I was very

613
00:29:59,299 --> 00:30:02,379
confused. I was like, oh, wait, Huey suddenly has

614
00:30:02,379 --> 00:30:05,139
a gun. Oh, wait, he just shot him. And then I hear

615
00:30:05,139 --> 00:30:07,219
the line, sorry, he didn't want to do that. And I

616
00:30:07,219 --> 00:30:10,019
was like, but what do you. What do you mean you

617
00:30:10,019 --> 00:30:11,699
didn't want to do it? What did you think was going

618
00:30:11,699 --> 00:30:14,259
to happen when he pulled the trigger? So. So there

619
00:30:14,259 --> 00:30:17,669
was some beats there that. I don't know. I've only

620
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:20,909
watched it once, but I was just like, wait, did I.

621
00:30:20,909 --> 00:30:25,159
Did I miss something? But, But yeah, yeah, Butcher

622
00:30:25,159 --> 00:30:28,119
had to die just as much as Homelander had to die.

623
00:30:28,119 --> 00:30:31,399
We. That. That was kind of in the inevitable fate.

624
00:30:31,479 --> 00:30:31,879
>> Will: Yeah.

625
00:30:31,879 --> 00:30:32,599
>> Sarah : Of it all.

626
00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:35,199
>> Will: Yeah. And it was so, you know, and I think the

627
00:30:35,199 --> 00:30:37,399
setting of it all, too, being in Vault Tower,

628
00:30:37,399 --> 00:30:40,999
where, you know, where Butcher and Homelander

629
00:30:41,419 --> 00:30:44,899
first met, years ago when, Ah, I thought about

630
00:30:44,899 --> 00:30:48,709
this with Becca. so, yeah. So everything about it,

631
00:30:48,659 --> 00:30:50,669
really. And I agree with you as far as, like, the

632
00:30:50,669 --> 00:30:53,049
fight, the back and forth, because, I mean, it was

633
00:30:53,049 --> 00:30:55,409
like, a lot. It was very con. Whenever they were

634
00:30:55,409 --> 00:30:58,289
tussling over the gun and the trigger for the. For

635
00:30:58,289 --> 00:31:01,249
the virus, it was. It was a lot. I mean, it was

636
00:31:01,249 --> 00:31:03,849
hard to, like. To like, honestly follow, but it

637
00:31:03,849 --> 00:31:06,329
was very. It was very frenetic. And so I could see

638
00:31:06,329 --> 00:31:08,489
where. Yeah. Clunky. I think it was just the

639
00:31:08,489 --> 00:31:10,759
Emotion of it, maybe for. At least for me, that

640
00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:12,759
clunkiness. So that's why it worked for me. But I

641
00:31:12,919 --> 00:31:14,519
could. I can see where you. I can see where you're

642
00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:15,319
coming from. That.

643
00:31:15,319 --> 00:31:19,069
>> Sarah : Yeah. So then we cut to yet another funeral, and

644
00:31:19,069 --> 00:31:22,789
yet another ridiculous. It can only be said in the

645
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:25,929
boys funeral speech. and. And then that, that

646
00:31:26,089 --> 00:31:29,729
kicks off the epilogue portion where we find all

647
00:31:29,729 --> 00:31:33,399
of those who are still living, and where their

648
00:31:33,399 --> 00:31:37,189
whereabouts, including them now. He's remarrying.

649
00:31:37,449 --> 00:31:40,049
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he is. Yeah. His family is

650
00:31:40,049 --> 00:31:40,689
getting back together.

651
00:31:40,689 --> 00:31:43,089
>> Sarah : Yeah, that's. That's what I thought. I just wanted

652
00:31:43,089 --> 00:31:46,369
to make sure Ryan's there. As his best man, I

653
00:31:46,369 --> 00:31:49,379
thought he was gonna give his, MM's daughter a

654
00:31:49,379 --> 00:31:54,059
look. that did not happen. Kamiko goes France. She

655
00:31:54,059 --> 00:31:56,499
also picked up a mutt along the way. That was

656
00:31:56,499 --> 00:32:00,029
interesting. Bob Singer is president. we met Bob

657
00:32:00,029 --> 00:32:01,989
Singer earlier in the series, Correct?

658
00:32:02,449 --> 00:32:02,849
>> Will: Correct.

659
00:32:03,009 --> 00:32:03,489
>> Sarah : Correct.

660
00:32:03,569 --> 00:32:04,529
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

661
00:32:04,529 --> 00:32:07,899
>> Sarah : And. And it is a, infamous supernatural Easter egg

662
00:32:07,899 --> 00:32:10,539
for us all because they just have to put them in

663
00:32:10,539 --> 00:32:15,269
there. And, and, not only is he president, but he

664
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:18,909
also gives Huey a job offer, which he declines.

665
00:32:19,149 --> 00:32:23,259
And if we find out Annie is pregnant and, yet

666
00:32:23,419 --> 00:32:26,979
still going out to play hero. So. So despite it

667
00:32:26,979 --> 00:32:30,279
all, she still wants to be a hero. So she did not

668
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:33,769
have Kimiko blast her as well. and. And the final

669
00:32:33,769 --> 00:32:36,889
line is, go and take care of your mom, Robin. So,

670
00:32:36,889 --> 00:32:40,689
so that is a wrap. What, what did you think about,

671
00:32:40,929 --> 00:32:42,689
about those character endings?

672
00:32:42,689 --> 00:32:45,569
>> Will: Hey, you know, like I said it, as I said earlier,

673
00:32:45,569 --> 00:32:48,879
I thought they stuck the finale. and also, I just

674
00:32:48,879 --> 00:32:51,999
think, you know, we've seen the show just really

675
00:32:51,999 --> 00:32:54,679
be a game changing show. I mean, it's. It, it, it

676
00:32:54,679 --> 00:32:59,059
really did change the landscape as far as heroes.

677
00:32:59,059 --> 00:33:02,019
And you know, we think about, you know, poking fun

678
00:33:02,019 --> 00:33:04,899
at, at the Marvel. Un. Marvel of it all and the DC

679
00:33:04,899 --> 00:33:06,739
of it all. And then of course, the political

680
00:33:06,739 --> 00:33:09,179
satire that we've talked about multiple times and

681
00:33:09,179 --> 00:33:12,699
just the critiques of media and, and everything. I

682
00:33:12,699 --> 00:33:15,499
think all of these, all of these endings in this

683
00:33:15,499 --> 00:33:19,139
episode or, or payoffs for all for the journeys

684
00:33:19,139 --> 00:33:21,899
that these characters went on so that we were, we

685
00:33:21,899 --> 00:33:24,499
were fully, you know, we were invested in these

686
00:33:24,499 --> 00:33:27,349
characters. And so. Yeah, and were there bumps

687
00:33:27,349 --> 00:33:29,189
along the road? I'm not gonna, yeah, there were. I

688
00:33:29,189 --> 00:33:30,629
mean, I'm not gonna sit here and like, you know,

689
00:33:30,629 --> 00:33:32,869
blow sunshine up everybody's ass and say, oh, this

690
00:33:32,869 --> 00:33:34,759
show wasn't, you know, wasn't, didn't have it

691
00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:36,719
didn't have its, you know, hit stumbling blocks

692
00:33:36,719 --> 00:33:39,959
along the way, but, but the, the, the creative

693
00:33:39,959 --> 00:33:42,799
team understood the assignment as far as what this

694
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:47,039
show needed to do. They really got all the other

695
00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:49,119
supporting characters and, and other people

696
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:51,639
resolved earlier in the season or throughout the

697
00:33:51,639 --> 00:33:54,319
season or even earlier in this episode. Like, I'll

698
00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:56,579
just bring up the Gen V of it all. People were

699
00:33:56,579 --> 00:33:58,939
very disappointed that, you know, the Gen V

700
00:33:58,939 --> 00:34:00,619
characters didn't get more. But it's not their

701
00:34:00,619 --> 00:34:04,109
show, it's the voice. So, so with all that being

702
00:34:04,109 --> 00:34:05,869
said and, you know, it's just, you know, I can say

703
00:34:05,869 --> 00:34:07,429
that's our last time. We'll probably talk about

704
00:34:07,429 --> 00:34:10,789
this iteration of the, of these characters. And I,

705
00:34:10,789 --> 00:34:13,909
I was like, I was really satisfied with, with how

706
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:16,969
they, how they wrapped things up. And, and it's,

707
00:34:17,289 --> 00:34:21,249
and been thinking about over the seven years that

708
00:34:21,249 --> 00:34:24,229
this show's been on and just how things in the

709
00:34:24,229 --> 00:34:26,709
culture have changed and, and, and the show has

710
00:34:26,709 --> 00:34:30,179
had to adapt with it, I think, because real life

711
00:34:30,179 --> 00:34:33,179
events sometimes happened before things even aired

712
00:34:33,179 --> 00:34:35,019
or sometimes it happened the same week that it

713
00:34:35,019 --> 00:34:37,059
aired. But I think the show really, you know,

714
00:34:37,139 --> 00:34:40,979
really is a part of the cultural zeitgeist. And I

715
00:34:40,979 --> 00:34:43,219
mean, hell, of course we know all the memes. I

716
00:34:43,219 --> 00:34:45,139
mean, even folks who haven't watched the Boys,

717
00:34:45,299 --> 00:34:47,259
they're familiar with the Homelander means. So,

718
00:34:47,259 --> 00:34:50,629
you know, so it has left a mark, for. In the

719
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:53,429
culture. So I, I really, really did enjoy this,

720
00:34:53,429 --> 00:34:55,549
this finale and I really thought that it stuck the

721
00:34:55,549 --> 00:34:55,909
landing.

722
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:59,739
>> Sarah : So, now that we have listened to Will wax poetic

723
00:34:59,739 --> 00:35:03,149
about the finale and the series as a whole, I will

724
00:35:03,149 --> 00:35:08,439
share my 2 cents on this. I think that the final

725
00:35:08,439 --> 00:35:12,039
season is they, they did stick the landing in the

726
00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:15,829
final episode. They also, more importantly, I

727
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:19,069
think it's a solid final season of a show and I

728
00:35:19,069 --> 00:35:23,749
think why it stands out is because, yes, when they

729
00:35:23,749 --> 00:35:26,869
went political, I was like, okay, but they've done

730
00:35:26,869 --> 00:35:30,469
that for four seasons. I think that the strength,

731
00:35:30,869 --> 00:35:34,469
of the season is actually the religious aspect,

732
00:35:34,859 --> 00:35:38,399
that I did not see coming. That makes perfect

733
00:35:38,399 --> 00:35:43,259
sense. And they used it to the utmost degree. And,

734
00:35:43,739 --> 00:35:46,859
and there, there are so many papers you could

735
00:35:46,859 --> 00:35:50,579
write on this final season in terms of the, the

736
00:35:50,579 --> 00:35:54,539
religious aspect and how that plays into a whole,

737
00:35:55,469 --> 00:35:59,709
satire about our, Our praise of fictional

738
00:35:59,709 --> 00:36:00,429
characters.

739
00:36:01,309 --> 00:36:01,579
>> Will: Yeah.

740
00:36:01,579 --> 00:36:04,299
>> Sarah : because we've talked about it before in terms of

741
00:36:04,939 --> 00:36:09,179
why, why comic books and the characters from them

742
00:36:09,259 --> 00:36:14,609
are so fasc. Embedded in our culture. And, and

743
00:36:14,609 --> 00:36:18,519
it's because they are the myths of this time. and

744
00:36:18,759 --> 00:36:22,759
they are. So you. You may have never watched a

745
00:36:22,759 --> 00:36:25,519
Spider man movie, but I feel like people just in

746
00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:27,159
general know who Peter Parker is.

747
00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:27,959
>> Will: Yeah, exactly.

748
00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:31,119
>> Sarah : People know who Bruce Wayne is. Like, you, you

749
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:34,199
don't have to have. So you, you hear about these

750
00:36:34,279 --> 00:36:36,919
characters and you feel like you know their

751
00:36:36,919 --> 00:36:40,019
stories, even if you've never actually picked up a

752
00:36:40,019 --> 00:36:43,099
piece or watched a single thing of their content.

753
00:36:43,659 --> 00:36:49,569
So I think that in terms of, and that, that and

754
00:36:49,569 --> 00:36:53,579
how they took, it ended. The whole spin in terms

755
00:36:53,579 --> 00:36:57,419
of this religious aspect, I think is not enough

756
00:36:57,419 --> 00:37:01,219
people are giving that a shout out in terms of how

757
00:37:01,219 --> 00:37:04,859
they are perceiving this final season. but I think

758
00:37:04,859 --> 00:37:07,779
in retrospect, that's why it really worked,

759
00:37:07,779 --> 00:37:11,099
because it was new, it was different, and it was

760
00:37:11,099 --> 00:37:14,869
really executed well. so on, that note, that is

761
00:37:14,869 --> 00:37:17,539
our final discussion about the boys. we will

762
00:37:17,539 --> 00:37:21,029
definitely be returning to, that world eventually.

763
00:37:21,439 --> 00:37:24,079
there are shows in the pipeline and shows around

764
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:28,079
the corner, but we are about to jump ship to the

765
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:31,799
MCU with the Punisher special presentation. One

766
00:37:31,799 --> 00:37:35,079
last kill. The IMDb summary reads, follows Frank

767
00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:38,799
Castle, a PTSD adult veteran who returns to action

768
00:37:39,439 --> 00:37:42,799
when Ma Ganucci, a wheelchair bound crime

769
00:37:42,959 --> 00:37:46,079
matriarch, seeks revenge after he killed her son

770
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:49,439
for forcing him to fight off the city's criminals

771
00:37:49,439 --> 00:37:52,399
descending upon him. So, okay, I watched this,

772
00:37:52,399 --> 00:37:55,519
guys. I did, I watched it. Did I check out during

773
00:37:55,519 --> 00:37:57,799
the action sequences? Yeah, of course I did. I'm,

774
00:37:57,799 --> 00:38:00,449
I'm me. and then I did listen to a few things

775
00:38:00,449 --> 00:38:03,469
about this, this special presentation. And it's

776
00:38:03,469 --> 00:38:07,109
one of those things where I like people talking

777
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:10,149
about it who are more familiar with the Punisher

778
00:38:10,149 --> 00:38:13,109
lore than I am. And I think I actually enjoyed

779
00:38:13,109 --> 00:38:15,109
watching it myself. Does that make sense?

780
00:38:15,269 --> 00:38:16,229
>> Will: That makes total sense.

781
00:38:16,229 --> 00:38:20,309
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. Because watching it myself, I, I was

782
00:38:20,309 --> 00:38:23,469
like, okay, I, I totally understood what was going

783
00:38:23,469 --> 00:38:27,869
on there, but I think the layers that people who

784
00:38:27,869 --> 00:38:30,949
are much more knowledgeable about the Punisher can

785
00:38:30,949 --> 00:38:33,689
dive into, like, they should be talking about

786
00:38:33,689 --> 00:38:36,289
this. I don't know if I, I should be talking about

787
00:38:36,289 --> 00:38:39,679
this whole thing, but I will say, the. One of the

788
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:43,599
strengths and one thing that kept me engaged was

789
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:49,289
the use of sound was very clever. I, mean,

790
00:38:49,289 --> 00:38:54,209
obviously the, the standout scene, that first

791
00:38:54,209 --> 00:38:56,049
comes to mind after you've watched us and I

792
00:38:56,049 --> 00:38:58,889
mentioned the word sound is the scene of when he's

793
00:38:58,889 --> 00:39:02,829
in the streets, streets walking, and the sound of

794
00:39:02,829 --> 00:39:06,949
chaotic broken city turns into the sound of war.

795
00:39:07,269 --> 00:39:12,869
And. And you. It is, it is so immersive and just

796
00:39:13,269 --> 00:39:16,939
so well done. That, that really kept me engaged. I

797
00:39:16,939 --> 00:39:20,329
was like, that's fascinating. and then just, just.

798
00:39:20,329 --> 00:39:23,329
And then that allowed me to really listen more

799
00:39:23,329 --> 00:39:28,449
clearly to the sound of this world. And, and I

800
00:39:28,449 --> 00:39:30,969
think that you have to. While you're watching

801
00:39:30,969 --> 00:39:33,809
this, remember you are really being shown

802
00:39:33,969 --> 00:39:37,249
something through like, first person. This story

803
00:39:37,249 --> 00:39:40,369
is told through first person, and that's really

804
00:39:40,369 --> 00:39:42,649
hard to do in this medium. And that's why there's

805
00:39:42,649 --> 00:39:46,009
some quibbles here and there. But I think that if

806
00:39:46,009 --> 00:39:49,289
you understand that you're really seeing this

807
00:39:49,289 --> 00:39:53,369
world and through Frank's eyes, the, the messiness

808
00:39:53,369 --> 00:39:55,529
of it all makes a lot more sense. Sense.

809
00:39:55,529 --> 00:39:58,609
>> Will: Yeah, I hear you. Yeah, you know, I, I texted you

810
00:39:58,609 --> 00:40:01,209
Sunday evening after I watched it and I was like,

811
00:40:01,209 --> 00:40:03,369
well, I watched that. Yeah, yeah, that was the

812
00:40:03,369 --> 00:40:03,969
exact quote, y'.

813
00:40:03,969 --> 00:40:04,169
>> Sarah : All.

814
00:40:04,449 --> 00:40:09,079
>> Will: but after I sat with it for a day, I, it. And, and

815
00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:12,569
to your point too, I think, this, you know, did

816
00:40:12,569 --> 00:40:17,169
check out a few commentaries about it and all. But

817
00:40:17,249 --> 00:40:19,809
even before that, you know, because I think part,

818
00:40:19,809 --> 00:40:22,009
you know, to your point about the sound, it was a

819
00:40:22,009 --> 00:40:25,729
lot to. I mean it was just 40 plus minutes of just

820
00:40:26,049 --> 00:40:29,849
sheer overload. Because the first part of the

821
00:40:29,849 --> 00:40:31,529
episode, the first part of the special

822
00:40:31,529 --> 00:40:34,329
presentation was just getting into Frank's mind.

823
00:40:34,329 --> 00:40:38,369
>> Will: And you know, and the PTSD and, and just where

824
00:40:38,369 --> 00:40:41,889
this character is at this point when we encounter

825
00:40:41,889 --> 00:40:45,129
him in this special presentation. Because the last

826
00:40:45,129 --> 00:40:48,209
time we saw Frank Castle, he was. It was Daredevil

827
00:40:48,209 --> 00:40:51,539
Born Again Season one. And he was, you know, he,

828
00:40:51,619 --> 00:40:53,579
he, you know, that was that, you know, and we, you

829
00:40:53,579 --> 00:40:56,539
know, we had his. Where he was with the journey

830
00:40:56,539 --> 00:40:58,739
and then of course, he got captured by the victim.

831
00:40:58,739 --> 00:40:58,979
The,

832
00:40:58,929 --> 00:41:01,689
>> Sarah : Yeah, and then he escaped.

833
00:41:01,689 --> 00:41:04,969
>> Will: So whenever you jump into this episode and he is

834
00:41:04,969 --> 00:41:07,729
completely, you know, we're going through the

835
00:41:07,729 --> 00:41:11,249
psychology of, of Frank and you know, the Nucci

836
00:41:11,249 --> 00:41:13,849
family has doubt and.

837
00:41:13,849 --> 00:41:17,089
>> Sarah : Yeah, it's. It's exactly what we just were talking

838
00:41:17,089 --> 00:41:20,049
about with Butcher. Like he's finished his

839
00:41:20,049 --> 00:41:21,729
purpose. So now what?

840
00:41:21,969 --> 00:41:25,529
>> Will: Yeah, so. So I, So going into this cold and you

841
00:41:25,529 --> 00:41:27,969
know, and what I just said earlier about where we,

842
00:41:27,969 --> 00:41:30,999
where we last saw him, I, I was not, I don't you

843
00:41:30,999 --> 00:41:32,359
know, I wasn't mentally there.

844
00:41:32,359 --> 00:41:32,839
>> Sarah : Oh yeah.

845
00:41:32,839 --> 00:41:35,359
>> Will: To like, to process this show. And then to your

846
00:41:35,359 --> 00:41:37,319
point, yeah, there was a lot of the video game,

847
00:41:37,319 --> 00:41:41,079
you know, the broken down of the city of, of

848
00:41:41,049 --> 00:41:45,009
little Sicily and, And just like the, you know,

849
00:41:45,009 --> 00:41:47,209
speaking of, speaking of, we're talking about

850
00:41:47,209 --> 00:41:50,249
animals and the dog and like the, the. The guys

851
00:41:50,249 --> 00:41:53,249
like killing the dog. And it was just like, oh, my

852
00:41:53,249 --> 00:41:56,089
God. I was like. So by the time I got done with

853
00:41:56,089 --> 00:41:59,858
it, I was just like, okay, I just need, Need to

854
00:41:59,858 --> 00:42:02,179
step away for a moment before I. Like, that was my

855
00:42:02,179 --> 00:42:03,979
true reaction to. Like I said earlier.

856
00:42:03,979 --> 00:42:07,049
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah, it. It, I think that was a lot

857
00:42:07,049 --> 00:42:10,489
of people's reaction after. Well, I just watched

858
00:42:10,489 --> 00:42:13,049
that and I'm still processing it. but that's.

859
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:15,159
That's. That's his kind of story. But I like how

860
00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:18,159
you brought up, like, when we last saw him because

861
00:42:18,159 --> 00:42:21,439
in. In retrospect, thinking about this special

862
00:42:21,439 --> 00:42:24,559
presentation, it. I'm. I'm glad we watched it now

863
00:42:24,879 --> 00:42:28,759
because when we lost all him, it was still hunted.

864
00:42:28,759 --> 00:42:32,229
Frank Castle from, the Netflix universe, it was

865
00:42:32,229 --> 00:42:35,869
still him seeking vengeance, even though he got

866
00:42:35,869 --> 00:42:39,739
vengeance and everything. it. And. And. But there

867
00:42:39,739 --> 00:42:43,339
was still more. So. So it was kind of like, okay,

868
00:42:43,339 --> 00:42:46,179
guys, we're. We're gonna. We're gonna wrap up

869
00:42:46,259 --> 00:42:49,629
this. This, this prequel that we gave y' all

870
00:42:49,709 --> 00:42:53,669
between him showing up in Daredevil season two to

871
00:42:53,669 --> 00:42:56,629
now, and then we're also, by the end of it, full

872
00:42:56,629 --> 00:42:59,829
comic book year attire, and we're gonna be like,

873
00:42:59,829 --> 00:43:03,509
and this is why he's gonna be a brand new day. It

874
00:43:03,509 --> 00:43:06,469
was that. It was. It was almost a metamorphosis

875
00:43:06,779 --> 00:43:10,699
where. Where you. You couldn't continue having him

876
00:43:10,699 --> 00:43:13,699
on this quote unquote vengeance. He can be a

877
00:43:13,699 --> 00:43:17,139
vigilante, but, this vengeance has to wrap up

878
00:43:17,139 --> 00:43:22,579
because that can't be his purpose. And. And so I,

879
00:43:22,979 --> 00:43:26,819
I think that for people who have been following

880
00:43:26,979 --> 00:43:32,179
this character in this MCU universe thus far, this

881
00:43:32,179 --> 00:43:35,359
is very much a bridge of, being like, okay, we're

882
00:43:35,359 --> 00:43:38,319
wrapping up that. Those beats for this character

883
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:42,079
while at the same time pushing him into this

884
00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:46,519
character who can suddenly fight alongside Spider

885
00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:50,599
Man. Now, hopefully they'll still be a little bit

886
00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:54,359
about the moral ambiguities of the philosophy,

887
00:43:54,359 --> 00:43:57,199
but. Because I, I really want to see that. But

888
00:43:58,319 --> 00:44:02,319
he's also much more animated in that final

889
00:44:02,479 --> 00:44:06,459
sequence of, getting the dog back and. Or. Or

890
00:44:06,459 --> 00:44:09,699
getting. Getting vengeance for. Even though he.

891
00:44:09,699 --> 00:44:11,899
He. He ends up killing the guy at the end of it.

892
00:44:11,899 --> 00:44:14,989
But yeah, yeah, still, he. He's very much. And,

893
00:44:14,939 --> 00:44:17,549
you also brought up the video game aspect because

894
00:44:17,789 --> 00:44:21,269
I swear this is a. This is a special short

895
00:44:21,269 --> 00:44:24,429
presentation. At least a half hour of it. As soon

896
00:44:24,429 --> 00:44:28,069
as. As soon as the fire starts, it is literally,

897
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:31,229
you're watching. You're watching a. It is a

898
00:44:31,229 --> 00:44:34,459
literal video game and it's just one after

899
00:44:34,459 --> 00:44:38,419
another. And it is. I mean, if I were to mute it,

900
00:44:38,419 --> 00:44:40,779
because at that point, I couldn't take that. That

901
00:44:40,779 --> 00:44:43,459
music. I'm sorry. That's not my metal, is not my

902
00:44:43,459 --> 00:44:46,009
taste. I'm sorry. Apologize. it fits perfectly for

903
00:44:46,009 --> 00:44:49,719
this character. It's not for me, though. I, I

904
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,199
could then concentrate on the choreography,

905
00:44:52,439 --> 00:44:55,639
because, again, the fight choreography was on

906
00:44:55,639 --> 00:44:55,959
point.

907
00:44:56,119 --> 00:44:57,559
>> Will: It was on point. It was. Yeah.

908
00:44:57,559 --> 00:45:00,359
>> Sarah : I. I mean, the kills are just clean. There.

909
00:45:00,359 --> 00:45:04,349
There's something about it. The kills. and it's

910
00:45:04,349 --> 00:45:07,999
just. There's momentum and there's energy. and.

911
00:45:07,999 --> 00:45:10,679
And did. Did you know, going into it that John

912
00:45:10,679 --> 00:45:12,879
Bernthal wrote this? Because I didn't.

913
00:45:12,879 --> 00:45:15,159
>> Will: I did. I think we. Yeah, whenever we. Whenever we

914
00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:18,799
got word about it, I guess about a year or so ago,

915
00:45:19,369 --> 00:45:22,699
I did, on one of our news blurbs that he was, you

916
00:45:22,699 --> 00:45:24,819
know, writing, I think M. Also, I guess, producer

917
00:45:24,819 --> 00:45:25,619
credit on it too.

918
00:45:25,859 --> 00:45:31,739
>> Sarah : Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure. I. I think that I. I

919
00:45:31,739 --> 00:45:34,019
really appreciate that, because then I think

920
00:45:34,019 --> 00:45:38,899
that's why so much of it felt true to the Frank

921
00:45:38,899 --> 00:45:43,089
we've seen before. and consistent. and I love. I'm

922
00:45:43,089 --> 00:45:45,539
sorry, I'm gonna bring it up. one batch, two

923
00:45:45,539 --> 00:45:50,019
batch. Thank you. I. I have. I've forgotten about

924
00:45:50,019 --> 00:45:52,619
that. And as soon as I saw the book, I was like,

925
00:45:52,619 --> 00:45:55,059
one batch, two batch. Let's do this. Because that

926
00:45:55,059 --> 00:45:58,139
was such a critical thing when we're first

927
00:45:58,139 --> 00:46:00,499
introduced to this character in this universe.

928
00:46:01,089 --> 00:46:04,049
and. And it's very important. And hear me now, my

929
00:46:04,049 --> 00:46:07,169
rating of Brand New Day will go down a point. If

930
00:46:07,249 --> 00:46:10,249
Frank doesn't say, one batch, two batch. Okay. He

931
00:46:10,249 --> 00:46:12,099
needs to say it. in Brand New Day. I'm just

932
00:46:12,099 --> 00:46:17,299
saying. So. So, Yeah, but the family stuff was

933
00:46:17,299 --> 00:46:20,529
great. I. I think. I think it's, Again, it just

934
00:46:20,529 --> 00:46:23,329
goes back to people who fell in love with this

935
00:46:23,329 --> 00:46:27,549
character of Daredevil. I think there's a. There's

936
00:46:27,549 --> 00:46:32,779
a payoff to an extent. There is also a shift. I'm.

937
00:46:32,779 --> 00:46:35,979
I'm, able to push this further beyond just Hell's

938
00:46:35,979 --> 00:46:39,499
Kitchen and beyond Daredevil and into a more

939
00:46:39,499 --> 00:46:42,459
cinematic place where our burnt burn fell should

940
00:46:42,459 --> 00:46:46,929
be. And. And. And so. So did I. Did I have the

941
00:46:46,929 --> 00:46:50,769
most fun watching this? No. Yeah. Do I think that

942
00:46:50,849 --> 00:46:53,809
if I had been somewhat, as you put it, more

943
00:46:53,809 --> 00:46:57,229
mentally prepared for. Digested better? Probably.

944
00:46:57,659 --> 00:47:02,099
but I. I think that this presentation is something

945
00:47:02,419 --> 00:47:06,339
that is, again, as you hear people who understand

946
00:47:06,659 --> 00:47:10,299
more of this character talk about it, there are

947
00:47:10,299 --> 00:47:14,579
probably so Many layers that we have not been

948
00:47:14,579 --> 00:47:18,089
able. We don't understand to it. and at the same

949
00:47:18,089 --> 00:47:21,369
time, I think just like in talking about it after

950
00:47:21,369 --> 00:47:24,619
the fact, I'm like, yeah, there is a lot to there.

951
00:47:24,619 --> 00:47:27,699
And that's why it was like, okay, I feel like I

952
00:47:27,699 --> 00:47:30,339
just got hit by a car, I think.

953
00:47:30,419 --> 00:47:32,859
>> Will: Yeah. I mean, to that point, you know, one of the

954
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things too, that you brought up earlier, was the

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metamorphosis. Yeah. He's. He. He, you know, he

956
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still. He still, for example, got vengeance for

957
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the. On the guy who killed the dog for the

958
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disabled, that homeless pet. but whenever things

959
00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:52,809
were just going to hell and the, And in the shop,

960
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you know. Yeah. He had a chance to take out my

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neuchi then.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Will: But he, you know, but. And. And it was. And you

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mentioned it earlier too. Like, earlier, you know,

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when he's walking through little Sicily and the.

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The world is literally on fire around him and

967
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things are falling apart.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: He doesn't care. So then we see that, you know, it

970
00:48:15,729 --> 00:48:18,009
was like, okay, whenever, you know, she in a

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00:48:18,009 --> 00:48:20,479
virgin, her. She. She gave him that purpose that

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he was. That he was missing. And I think that was

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really. Yeah, it was allowed.

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>> Sarah : I don't. I. I think that when you say she gave him

975
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the purpose, she sent out all these people, to get

976
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him to kill him. What she did not calculate,

977
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though, was. I think what you're getting at is

978
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that. Is that those people also are crazy

979
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lunatics. So they're not just going to kill Frank

980
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Castle. They're going to kill anybody. Norway. And

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they're. They're just, ravaged dogs.

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>> Will: Yes.

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>> Sarah : So him seeing other people, other people lose

984
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loved ones, death for no reason because of him,

985
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that's what fuels him into becoming more of the

986
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Punisher, who, serves as a vigilante for others

987
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because he doesn't want the tragedy of his family

988
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to be fallen on anybody else. So that. That's

989
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really, Where. Where she kind of miscalculated m.

990
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To an extent because they, they. They were. They

991
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were clear. They were just going in every single

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apartment.

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>> Will: Oh, yeah. Yeah. They. Yeah. it was just. Yeah, it

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was wild. But. But like I said, I mean, think, at

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the end of the day, after having some time to sit

996
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with it and all, even with the wonky, like, you

997
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know, you know, with the video with the guy, like,

998
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a lot of people poke fun at the scene where he,

999
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like, falls onto the little, box or whatever. But.

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But after sitting with it, I, I really, you know,

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I Because I actually enjoyed it. I, I really did

1002
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it. You know, for what, for what it was trying to

1003
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do. I think it, it achieved, it achieved that,

1004
00:49:56,909 --> 00:49:59,229
that mission. And to your point about Barenthal, I

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mean he knows his character so inside and out. So

1006
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the, the, his version of Frank Castle, he, he

1007
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base, he, he, he delivered on his understanding of

1008
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what this character is and, and, and, and, and

1009
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this character's motivations. So you know, when

1010
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Marvel does these, I like these, these special

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00:50:18,328 --> 00:50:20,849
presentations because it's just a one off and you

1012
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know, it's not like, you know. Yes, well, it's not

1013
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going to. Yeah, there's things we'll see Franken

1014
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characters again, but you know, it, it's telling a

1015
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self contained story and, and here is, is it's

1016
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about why when we do see Frank again and it's

1017
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brand new day, it's like, you know, why is this

1018
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character acting and, and doing the things that

1019
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he's doing.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, playing hero instead of playing with

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Daredevil. yeah, well that is our thoughts on the

1022
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special presentation. we are not going to be

1023
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taking a break from the MCU anytime soon as next

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week we are not only returning to the MCU with,

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with Spider Noir, start that discussion with

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Nicolas Cage, but we're also returning to Star

1027
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wars and we're gonna give our thoughts about the

1028
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new Mando movie. so, so be on the lookout for

1029
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that. And, and yes, Invincible is coming. I know

1030
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people want it. I know Will really wants to talk

1031
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about it. we have not watched it though. We will

1032
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be getting to that in July. that has been decided.

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So fun summer ahead on. And on that note, Will,

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why don't you tell our listeners where they can

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find you?

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>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at Will

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and Polk W I L L M P O

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>> Sarah : L K and you can follow me there too at its Joe

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