Stranger Things Season 5 Episodes 3 & 4: A Satisfying Conclusion?

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>> Sarah : Foreign. Greetings Nerds. This is Scene N a Nerd.

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I'm your host, Sarah Belmont, and with me as

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always, is our Mr. Producer, will Will Polk

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How are you doing tonight, Will.

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. Happy Monday evening to

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you. Looking forward to talking about volume one

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of Stranger Things to the last two episodes.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. The Turn, Bow Trap and the Sorcerer.

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Those are the two episodes we have.

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>> Will: Yeah, we had two episodes. And then just as you

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know, was. As we wrap up these two. I know.

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Netflix dropped the volume two posters today. had,

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non character posters that they like shared. And I

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love the like for, for audio listeners of you. You

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probably, you probably seeing them on your

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socials. But Netflix, did a nice thing of like

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putting together like all nine posters together.

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And they have, they have the groupings with, with

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the, with the characters, with Mike and 11 and

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Will and, And the rest of the gang. But yeah. So,

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you know, December 25th. I mean, the holidays. I

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know what I'll be doing over the holidays.

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>> Sarah : Why does Mike look like. He. He looks so

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different.

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>> Will: He does. I noticed that. I. Yeah, I noticed that

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today when I was looking at the poster. I don't

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know, I was like. Yeah, I don't know where the

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artist was. Like, this doesn't look like Van

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Wilfart. Like, they like, they got like a double

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or something like that.

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>> Sarah : Right? It just. It. I mean, okay, no, I won't. I

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won't say it, but. But it just. It's funny. And

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then I start to look at everyone else and I'm

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like, yeah, the, the. The facial features are

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there. And then I Mike back to Mike and I'm like,

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who are you? Because you're not Finn Wilhard.

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Like, I'm so confused.

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>> Will: Yeah, it's. I don't know if it's like the

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perspective where they're like looking up at Mike.

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So maybe it's. Maybe. Maybe that's. Maybe that's

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the thing that, is what is interesting about his

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likeness in, in this poster. But, yeah, I don't.

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>> Sarah : I just feel like they used a very different photo.

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It's just everyone else looks exactly like how

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they appear in the show, for better and for worse.

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And I just. And then you go to Mike and it's just

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like, did he pay someone? I don't know. But you

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know, it's the poster, so it'll be speaking.

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>> Will: Speaking of the poster too. I was. I'm glad they

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put a, a bandana on Lucas because it. As an

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African American man and as someone who, who in

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whenever I was a teenager and in, in the late 80s,

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early 90s trying to do a box cut and it never

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worked right on my head. I feel like I felt, I

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feel bad for my brother. I, I really do. Because I

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do. This is like, you know, this is, you know, I

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think back to like hearing with the, when the SAG

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actor strike was going on and I know a lot of

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several. I remember there was the actress Michelle

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Hurd who plays Rafi on Star Trek, Picard. And one

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of the things she was really talking about was

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like making sure they had ethnic appropriate

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people in the, in the make hair and makeup room.

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And so, so as soon as I, so whenever I meant to

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mention this last week when we were talking about

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the, the first two episodes and, and just, and

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seeing Lucas's haircut and the line and the bad

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box and it just looks like a, you know, it was

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like he couldn't style it just right, you know. So

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I feel like they just got a wig and like plopped

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it on his head and, and didn't bother with like,

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you know, making it look neat and clean and, and

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it just really. And, and I feel for the brother

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because I'm like I, I, I know that look. I tried

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my best to do the, the look but I couldn't do it.

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I, and, and so that I'm having great like empathy

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for, for Lucas and his hair.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: So I'm glad to put a bandana on the, on the, on

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the poster here. So I don't know if they like

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heard some feedback from folks or what, but you

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know, appreciate. I'm appreciating the, the

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bandana on the, on the character poster for volume

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two.

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>> Sarah : See, I'm glad you pointed it out and gave like the

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cultural perspective on it because to me, I don't,

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I don't think it was necessarily feedback so much

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as. Looking at characters who are black in this

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genre and from the 80s, like the more actiony we

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get, the more you see those characters wear

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bandanas like that. So. Yeah, especially,

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especially with the few because Lucas didn't get a

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lot during these two episodes. He, he honestly

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didn't. But he, he was very much like, I'm a

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sniper. Sniper could chews gums. I'm a badass in

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this. So seeing him, I'm just, it's, it's as if he

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was ripped from a Predator movie, you know?

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So it's, it's very military, but also not more of

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a, of a renegade. and And Mike too. Like, I

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shouldn't even call him Mike. I should be like

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imposter Mike on this screen. I don't know. And

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I'm, I'm just gonna call spade a spade. Where's

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the love for the females? The females and their

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wardrobes, they're getting nothing. I mean, they

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put Nancy in one of the most God awful wigs ever.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of wigs. Yeah, yeah, that was

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the other thing, I think. Yeah. I mean, I know, I

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know we're supposed to be like, you know, talking

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about the show, but I just, I just this, this

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poster just like really offended me. It was, it

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was cool. But it was also like, had to like just

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talk about, you know, whenever you went on with

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Mike, I was like, yeah, I gotta get my Lucas thing

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in because I just, I just. Yeah. And, and the same

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with, with Nancy and, and her. This, the, the

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styling that they did for, for her.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I just, I mean, between her and Jonathan,

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I'm like, I don't know which one's worse and more

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offensive. I really, it's just very distracting to

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me. they finally will also get to glow up here.

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And in my opinion, we are talking about the show.

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We, we really are talking about the show here and

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these two episodes because, because I know that

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this is, these are posters for volume two. But

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those images, I mean, let's call a spade a spade.

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These kids aren't changing their clothes in

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between episodes. We've maybe gone through the

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course of three days within the last four

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episodes, if that. it's moving at a very rapid

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pace, which I'm not complaining about at all. but

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I, I just, I just wish that there was a little bit

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more thought into the styling. And, and so with

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the volume one poster, there was no teaser of the

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characters, right?

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>> Will: I don't think so. I mean, I know I've seen like

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various things out there. Just looking for assets

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for, for like thumbnails and whatnot. I know one

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of the, one of the more of, you know, there was

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scene that we did get in the third episode. yeah,

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I've seen this one quite a bit. for our audio,

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it's the Home Alone, moment. that was, that was

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definitely out there a lot.

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>> Sarah : so, okay, that was the reference because for me, I

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couldn't help but thinking, and I put this in my

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notes about this episode, the Turnbow Trap

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episode, because I was just, I was like, okay, so

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they knock out the entire family and, and how long

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are we supposed to believe it? Took them, to

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single handedly destroy their house. Like, like

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it. Because it's still night by the time they m.

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They take everyone to the barn and everything. And

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I'm just like, so is it midnight at this point? I

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mean, how late were they eating dinner? Because it

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felt really late and they were already on dessert

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and so, and then, and then the waking up of Derek,

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but nobody else is awake. And, and I'm just like.

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And now, now that I even put that out there, I'm

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thinking I'm like, so, so what happened to the

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rest of the turn, Bow?

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also this was a, it was also a

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reference to Nightmare on Elm street as well. as

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far as the trap, it was, you know, I think it was

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inspired. Duffer's made it very clear that they've

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inspired this. The whole sequence, you know, from,

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from the house trapping sequence in, in that

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movie. but also like I said, I mean, you know, all

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the physical things that was happening to the

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Demogorgon also just like I said, reminded me so

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much of Home Alone, which is also late 80s.

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>> Sarah : So. Yeah, yeah, no, I, I mean we, we briefly

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talked about the nostalgia factor of this show and

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I think that's what really this season is on full

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cylinders. And it's because maybe it's because

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we've had such a time away from the show that to

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return to it after such a period, a period of time

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has passed, it's a reminder. It's like, okay, this

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is the last season and yet we're, we're feeling

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the highs of that nostalgia from season one.

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because these characters in this world is all

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based on those movies that. It's funny. I, I like

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to say I grew up on, But I'm a 90s kid, so. But

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technically, if I was born in the 90s, I did grow

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up on 80s films. So like these, these characters

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are, are character, types from that era. And, and

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now you're bringing up movies that certain

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sequences and scenes are references. And I mean

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some of the, some of the sequences in the lab, it

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felt very alien. Like it felt very claustrophobic.

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And, and you're dealing with species and creatures

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and you have a scientist who's trying to

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understand them. And, and there's a, and is not

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realizing that the 11 is an ally and not the

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perpetrator. So, so it's, it's, it's, it's so

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familiar. Yet, yet it's, it's fresh and it's new

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and it's a reminder also of why people have been

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obsessed with this show for so long.

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>> Will: Yeah, totally. Totally. Yeah. I mean, I was, you

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know, I was thinking about that as I was watching

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it. Just, you know, even, you know, thinking about

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even in that fourth. Yeah, I guess it was the

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third episode. No, the fourth episode. Whenever,

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with, you know, with Derek and the GI Joe lunchbox

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and, and and. And you know, I was like, I have

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that lunchbox and I remember, you know, and it's

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the thing, you know, and even like the, you know,

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using the rainbow bright. I mean, I had, you know,

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when I was a kid, I had one of those things and.

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>> Sarah : Absolutely.

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>> Will: And, and so whenever the Demogorgon comes and you

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start to see the thing flashing, it's just like,

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oh, yeah, that's a, that's. That's a great way of

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how you can use nostalgia in a way that services

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to story. And it's not just, oh, look at this

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little cool thing here. I mean, that, that, that's

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what I think where the show really excels in doing

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that. I mean, yeah, there's the definite, like,

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moments where it's just like, well, we'll have it

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there for nostalgia's sake. But most of the time,

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whenever it's in these episodes, it is there to

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serve the story right.

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>> Sarah : And, to just continue on with dipshit Derek. He.

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He. He was a highlight at first. He was very

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annoying. But, then the more I reflect on these

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two episodes in particular, the more I'm just

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like, derek, you are the man. Because you are also

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a character that is found in so many movies from

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this era. Oh, yes, there's always that heavy set.

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And now sometimes the heavyset friend can be more

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of a dusty didn't type, but. And more of like the

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smart and the funny and the kid who gets picked on

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and everything. But then you have that other

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version and he's bully. He's bully. Okay, go back

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and watch Heavyweights. I think that might be a

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90s movie. Is Heavyweights a 90s movie or a 80s

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movie? I think it's the 90s.

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>> Will: I think it's a 90s movie. But even. Yeah, but I

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mean, it's still. Your point's well taken because

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I was thinking that too. I was thinking that as

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well when with Derek and I was like, oh, man, he's

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like every. Yeah, you know, fill it. Like you

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said, he is the archetype of like Goonies and the

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heavyset Kit, you know, and Luke and. And was it

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Lucas? or, or. Ah, no, I'm Thinking Stand By Me,

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you know, as well, as far as like the kid, the

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heavyset kid. I guess. I guess the Stand By Me was

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Jerry o'. Connell. yeah. And So, yeah, that, that.

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everything else is. He was spot on.

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>> Sarah : So, and how he. He's connected to this group

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through siblings and, And I like how they kind of.

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They made the older sister the. And her. Her and

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Erica had it off. I would have. I would have

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appreciated to seen the cat fight that occ. Erica.

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her because she wouldn't eat the pie, which. That

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was the other thing running through my mind

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through that sequence. I was like, what. Can

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somebody name what kind of pie it is? It's driving

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me crazy because it kind of looked like pumpkin,

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which would be very Thanksgiving. However.

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However, it wasn't orange. It was white. I could

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have sworn. So I was very confused about what kind

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of pie. And I really needed to know.

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>> Will: I. I needed to know too, I think, because even

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whenever they were like just pushing the cake, the

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pie, a plate across the table. Eat it, eat it. it

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was just like, it really looked. It really did

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look like a pumpkin pie. So I'm. I'm gonna go out

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there on a limb and say it was pumpkin, but.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, but, yeah, I. So. So overall with the

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turnbow traps, and the turnbow is a reference to

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the last name of the family, of Derek's family

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because they're trying to save Derek but also use

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him. Him as bait for the Demogorgon. And I. E.

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Vecna. Because they want to. They want to know

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where Vecna is in the Upside Down. So it's this

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whole, it's this whole trap. But what did you

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think about the, the planning and the execution of

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this trap?

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>> Will: So, you know, so there are a couple cool things.

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One, it was just great to see Erica back because I

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was. I was wondering what happened to her. And so,

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so the whole sequence there when, they were trying

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to convince her to, to join and, and you know, she

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was rightfully like, you know, upset because

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they've been going on all these crawls and not

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invited her. and Lucas basically was like filling

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at every turn. But then when, whenever they were

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able to convince her to come, you know, it was.

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one who saves the day. So that was, you know, so

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that was. Oh gosh. Yeah, so that was. That was

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really cool. The the plan was really. I like the

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plan. and, you know, and you know, hearing all,

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Again, hearing the local references too, as I

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mentioned last week. So, like, there's, you know,

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to, so we'll end up at McCorkle Farm. And so like,

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for example, McCorkle Farm is named after a friend

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of mine, actually Mac McCorkle, who lives. Who's

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here, who's here in town. But then, you know, how

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they were just sort of piecing together. you know,

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what they were going to, you know, how they were

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going to use Derek as debate and then, you know,

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getting all the accessories for Murray, to, you

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know, so. Because I, you know, it was good to see

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Murray back and, you know, playing the role that

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of being the, being a supplier and how difficult

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it is to like, you know, get all these things,

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especially given that the town is occupied. you

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know, seeing it all come together and, and, you

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know, really, really, really worked well for me.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I, I like, like the momentum that, this

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episode and then even the second episode, Sorry,

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the third and the fourth episode have. Because

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both of them revolve around these. A trap and an

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escape. Tom, Dick and Harry. Yep. And, and, and so

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you. It's a good working set piece. Now, I do have

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to say I was more impressed the first two episodes

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with, in terms of, let's just say screen time

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distribution.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I felt like especially this was, this is very much

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felt in and is a critique of the fourth episode

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because I, I, I swear. What, what was Dustin and

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Steve's contribution and Nancy and Jonathan

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contribution to the fourth episode? All they did

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was they followed the Demogorgon into the apples

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upside down and Steve drove his car into the wall

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and then, and then Dustin out of nowhere. And I

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don't, I don't know if this scene was needed in

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this episode because they were such a, the

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afterthought, but the whole scene of him being

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like the wall isn't like a wall, it's a circle.

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And it's, it's a matter of what's in the middle of

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the circle. I just feel like that is such a big

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revelation and.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : But I feel like as a viewer, I'm gonna need that

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in like the fifth episode. Putting it in this

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episode felt more like we need to remind everyone

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before we leave what these characters are doing

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because we haven't seen them in about 20 to 30

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minutes.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : But, yeah, yeah, it just, it just felt very, it

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felt very off to me. Granted, there was so much to

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doing, especially Because. And, Because of the max

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stuff that happens in the fourth episode that

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we'll get into in a minute. But.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, I. So I'll. I have a different view. I

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was actually okay with the, With the wall in a

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circle and it, you know, leading back to the

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Hawkins lab. I mean, that just. Again, totally. I,

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totally hear your point. but I think it was. I

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think it was good in a sense that it just really

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just reoriented us as far as like, what all this

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is about. And. And I know we'll get to the max

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piece of it, as well. And. And also what. You

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know, and of course in the things that will

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learned also, in. In these episodes. But, Because

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otherwise I gotta just be. You know, the one thing

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that I did like about the Steve. Dustin

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interaction was, when. When. When Steve rightfully

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called Dustin out for, lying to his friends about

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what really happened.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: that. But otherwise, the bickering and all that

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kind of stuff, it's just sort of like Nancy and

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Jonathan. It's just like. It takes me. I just get

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bored with it, to be honest.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, because you. It's that it's been going on so

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long. For so long. Like the whole. The whole

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conversation in the third episode between Murray

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and Jonathan. I think it's the third episode and.

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Yeah, I. I could. I thought they were talking

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about sex and. And then the next thing I know,

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there's a ring and I'm like, And also what. I'm

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confused about where you think this relationship

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is headed. And I think Nancy is too. This, For me,

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the whole like, Nancy, Jonathan, Steve love

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triangle thing.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : The show doesn't need it. The show does not need

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it. It needed it for maybe the first two seasons

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just to get these characters involved, but Steve

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has evolved away from it. And I swear to God, the

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best ending at this point with those three

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characters, none of them end up together.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Or Jonathan and Steve end up together. But, I

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mean, I. I think for Nancy in particular, her. Her

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ending is getting out of Hawkins.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they allude to that. I

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mean, as far as like, you know, going back to the

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whole Nancy. Nancy Drew thing. I mean, she, you

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know, That. That's. That's. You're right. I mean,

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her investigative. You know, she was doing the

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whole investigative journalism thing and all that,

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so. I completely agree. I mean, I think her. Her

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arc definitely is, you know, after all this is

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over, get as far away from Hawkins and this sad,

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you know, Mopey. Jonathan. And she can.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. And it's also Jonathan for him, like, like

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these three characters, because we meet. We meet

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Steve in particular, like, as a senior, and I

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think Jonathan and Nancy are both juniors. And now

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they've grabbed. They. They're all graduated, as

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far as I know. I. I could be off in my timeline,

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but three years have passed, so it's about them,

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like, getting out of the town and also just

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embracing adulthood more so than anything else.

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And, and, right now, because of what's going on

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with siblings and people that they care about in

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Hawkins, they are also having to. They. They have

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a foot in both worlds. And I'm not talking about

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the upside down. I'm talking about adulthood and

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childhood.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : And. And. And. And honestly. To go into the

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maximum stuff. Yeah, that's really an interesting

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point to bring up, considering we meet Max. Well,

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we, as in, Holly, meets. Meets Max in, what we

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learn to be a memory, and specifically Henry's

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memory. And it's a memory mind. I'm so glad we

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watched Severance before this, because. She'S just

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running. She's just running like, like, like them.

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so, so. And. And. So. And. And then they're.

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They're in one of the memories she stumbles upon

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is. And this one took me about back and stuck,

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out. Really. It was a memory when she walks into

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the high school and you see. And you see, God damn

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it.

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>> Will: was it the Harrington or the Oklahoma?

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>> Sarah : Well, you see here. Yeah. You. You see all of

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that? You see the references to the children's

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parents?

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : I'm blanking on Winona Ryder's character's name.

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That's why it was Joyce, you see. Joyce. And then.

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Now, correct me if I'm wrong here, Will, but she

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looks at the flyer and the flyers for Oklahoma,

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and at the bottom you see Henry. Right. So.

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>> Will: That's right.

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>> Sarah : We're. We're meant to believe Henry was a

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attended, school there.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Okay. This is totally Carrie.

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>> Will: Yeah, it is. Apparently. Yeah. Yeah, it's totally

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Carrie. And I want to say I think this is also

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Todd there. You know, there's a stage play for

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Stranger Things. I think it was called Stranger

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Things the First. Oh, gosh, I can't remember the.

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The. The tagline. But apparently, apparently

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there's a reference to some of the things that we

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saw in Henry's memory here that, do play in. With

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plate. That do play into that, into that play.

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>> Sarah : right. But, yeah, there. There. There has to Be.

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And, and. And just the fact that we have the

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Harrington reference and the Joyce refere. Also

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was started thinking. I'm like, did we ever get an

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explanation on who Will's father is?

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>> Will: I don't think like.

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>> Sarah : And does Will and Jonathan have the same father?

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>> Will: I don't. You know, I don't know. I don't know.

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>> Sarah : Because to me. And not to completely go into the

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Vaknan Will say stuff because we have not even

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finished talking about Max. But to me, I base

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because we saw this memory and like we know

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Henry's been in this world.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : and experienced some very deep childhood trauma

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that we have yet to fully see. I just, I just

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wonder like they kind of allude to it even at the

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end there where he's like, you know, why I chose

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you and why I chose them and all this stuff. And

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I'm like, no, no, that, that's great. I don't care

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about the little kids right now. I need to

479
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:05,830
understand why specifically you took Will like you

480
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:09,760
specifically took him. And yes, he he. He is weak.

481
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,720
Or he was weak and he, he is. He who was the

482
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,870
weakest. But I just wonder if there's another

483
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:21,190
reason, you know, because. And I wonder if Henry

484
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:25,150
knew Joyce because Joyce was handing out the

485
00:27:25,150 --> 00:27:29,430
flyers, wasn't she? So I, I just, I think there's

486
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:34,390
something there which is again such a trope from

487
00:27:34,390 --> 00:27:36,630
this genre in this era of movies.

488
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:41,000
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I completely agree. And. And it was,

489
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,840
you know, it was, it was really. I'm glad. I know

490
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,920
we've been wondering how we're going to bring

491
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,480
reintegrate Max back into the story. And I really,

492
00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:54,600
you know, really liked how they did that with one

493
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:59,120
using this. Learning that she was, you know, in

494
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:02,520
Vecna's mind. To your point about Henry's mind, as

495
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,080
far as. To your point about severance. but also,

496
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,760
but also all this time when Lucas has been sitting

497
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,800
there with her in a hospital. I'm glad they

498
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,800
answered that. Answered the question like. Could,

499
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,920
you know, could she hear what was going on there?

500
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:25,440
And, and, and then, you know, we learn why she,

501
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,080
you know, how. And why she could. She. She was on

502
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:34,560
her way out and then you know, basically. Again

503
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,040
going back to nostalgia. You know, the old

504
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,750
fashioned tape player failed us here. because you

505
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:42,870
know, the tape ran out and you know, he had to

506
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:46,030
rewind the thing and, and that led to her, you

507
00:28:46,030 --> 00:28:50,060
know, having to Whenever she was ready to come out

508
00:28:50,060 --> 00:28:52,740
of her. Out of the coma, having to run back to.

509
00:28:54,820 --> 00:28:58,140
Safety and. And finding. And finding a hiding

510
00:28:58,140 --> 00:29:00,060
place and finding that cave, which, you know,

511
00:29:00,060 --> 00:29:03,100
whatever is special about that cave, you know, is

512
00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:07,140
the place that Henry, you know, is. Is afraid of.

513
00:29:07,870 --> 00:29:12,160
And. And. And, you know, I don't know what. What

514
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,280
it is or. Or, you know, because he was talking

515
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,040
about how he had the terror on his face and, you

516
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:16,240
know.

517
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:16,920
>> Sarah : Exactly.

518
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:18,440
>> Will: Really scared. So.

519
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:25,490
>> Sarah : Yeah. And, well, we also see in that episode and a

520
00:29:25,490 --> 00:29:28,610
few scenes prior, when Holly is preparing to go

521
00:29:28,610 --> 00:29:34,950
into the woods. she. She finds, like, what looks

522
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:36,190
like Boy Scouts.

523
00:29:36,510 --> 00:29:36,990
>> Will: Yeah.

524
00:29:38,590 --> 00:29:43,630
>> Sarah : And so. So. So. So to me, I feel like that picture

525
00:29:43,710 --> 00:29:46,190
is connected to that cave. And there was an

526
00:29:46,190 --> 00:29:50,350
incident and, again, childhood trauma, and there.

527
00:29:51,310 --> 00:29:54,630
What we don't know, if you really think about the

528
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:58,690
history of this show, is we know that. That Henry

529
00:29:58,690 --> 00:30:00,290
is number one. Right.

530
00:30:00,370 --> 00:30:01,250
>> Will: Yeah. Right.

531
00:30:01,410 --> 00:30:07,090
>> Sarah : But how. How was he created? And. And what it

532
00:30:07,090 --> 00:30:10,610
looks like is it seems like he had a life before

533
00:30:10,770 --> 00:30:15,850
being number one, and then he was taken now with

534
00:30:15,850 --> 00:30:19,970
11. And people, again, who have watched this,

535
00:30:20,130 --> 00:30:22,650
these seasons over and over again, and Will might

536
00:30:22,650 --> 00:30:24,930
even, be able to correct me, too, if I'm wrong

537
00:30:25,010 --> 00:30:29,250
about this. It seemed like. It seemed like L is

538
00:30:29,250 --> 00:30:32,410
more of a product of the lab and the experiment

539
00:30:32,410 --> 00:30:33,010
itself.

540
00:30:33,810 --> 00:30:35,090
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

541
00:30:35,490 --> 00:30:38,850
>> Sarah : So which. Which are different things. I mean, to.

542
00:30:39,170 --> 00:30:42,610
To talk. To bring up Gen V, which we finished a

543
00:30:42,610 --> 00:30:47,620
few, months ago. you though Desa Pro project,

544
00:30:48,270 --> 00:30:51,350
Right. Like, there's a difference between shooting

545
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:55,350
up a kid with, With Gen V or.

546
00:30:56,550 --> 00:30:58,790
>> Will: Yeah, Compound V. Yeah, yeah.

547
00:30:59,590 --> 00:31:02,510
>> Sarah : Versus what happened with Odessa product. You get

548
00:31:02,510 --> 00:31:06,710
a certain type of soup after that. So I think. I

549
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:11,030
think that's maybe what they're gonna get into,

550
00:31:11,030 --> 00:31:16,920
more in part to volume two, to kind of put, Put a

551
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,240
bow on Vecna's story, because there are some gaps.

552
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,800
>> Will: Yeah, there are some gaps. And. But also, just,

553
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,320
you know, before we close out with Max, you know,

554
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,399
we. We. Another important part of the whole vision

555
00:31:29,399 --> 00:31:31,760
was, you know, her in the. In the Rainbow Room.

556
00:31:32,980 --> 00:31:34,160
>> Sarah : M. Yep, exactly.

557
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,720
>> Will: Yeah. And. And seeing the things that transpire

558
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:42,120
there and, you know, and how. How. How that. What

559
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,160
is transpiring in present day in this story, you

560
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,880
know, relates back to. To what we saw in the

561
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,040
Rainbow Room. And,

562
00:31:49,910 --> 00:31:51,510
>> Sarah : Well, how does that relate?

563
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:56,510
>> Will: Well, I mean, because. Yeah, go ahead.

564
00:31:56,510 --> 00:32:00,550
>> Sarah : The. The rainbow Room, and it's specifically like

565
00:32:00,550 --> 00:32:06,500
that room, but also, it was clearly the. The. The

566
00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:09,740
night that Eleven created Vecna.

567
00:32:10,140 --> 00:32:10,620
>> Will: Yeah.

568
00:32:11,740 --> 00:32:17,060
>> Sarah : So. So, like, that is. And. And, does she wake up

569
00:32:17,060 --> 00:32:20,380
in that room? Does Max wake up there?

570
00:32:20,940 --> 00:32:22,740
>> Will: Yeah, because I think that's where she was hearing

571
00:32:22,740 --> 00:32:24,740
the music. And, you know, she tore down the. You

572
00:32:24,740 --> 00:32:27,020
know, she went to the wall there, tore down the.

573
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:30,820
The barrier because that was, when she could hear

574
00:32:31,140 --> 00:32:33,580
Lucas playing, Kate Bush.

575
00:32:34,380 --> 00:32:38,540
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's like, that's.

576
00:32:38,540 --> 00:32:42,100
That's. After there she goes on a loop. Like, she

577
00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:45,180
doesn't immediately do that, but then she ends up

578
00:32:45,180 --> 00:32:47,180
on a loop. She goes there and that's when she

579
00:32:47,180 --> 00:32:51,140
starts hearing, which leads to the next set of. Of

580
00:32:51,140 --> 00:32:54,220
memories, specifically about her being captured.

581
00:32:54,380 --> 00:32:57,810
But I. But I think. I think you're right that

582
00:32:57,810 --> 00:33:01,290
there is a reason why we kind of start the memory.

583
00:33:03,370 --> 00:33:06,730
We start with Max going through Henry's memories

584
00:33:07,290 --> 00:33:09,690
the moment he became Vecna.

585
00:33:10,090 --> 00:33:10,650
>> Will: Yep.

586
00:33:10,730 --> 00:33:14,650
>> Sarah : That awful night. And then later we're shown a

587
00:33:14,650 --> 00:33:19,710
random, like, sequence in the high school. we're

588
00:33:19,710 --> 00:33:25,129
shown how. Then we go on a tangent because we go

589
00:33:25,129 --> 00:33:28,289
through him taking Max.

590
00:33:28,929 --> 00:33:29,150
>> Will: Right.

591
00:33:29,150 --> 00:33:32,019
>> Sarah : she. She uses a certain word, but. But that

592
00:33:32,099 --> 00:33:37,819
kidnapping occurs and, and put her, Her becoming.

593
00:33:38,010 --> 00:33:42,419
Ah, cursed. She calls it a curse. So this is when

594
00:33:42,419 --> 00:33:45,179
he cursed me. And so then we see that whole

595
00:33:45,179 --> 00:33:48,059
sequence that we. We've already seen in season

596
00:33:48,139 --> 00:33:50,659
four, but arguably from a different perspective

597
00:33:50,659 --> 00:33:53,930
and just a reminder of how awesome Max is and how

598
00:33:53,930 --> 00:33:58,450
heartbreaking her story is. Then we go. We wind up

599
00:33:58,450 --> 00:34:06,050
in the cave and, and which I. I m wonder if the

600
00:34:06,050 --> 00:34:10,490
cave, whatever memory the cave holds is more of

601
00:34:10,490 --> 00:34:14,650
the memory of that, like, is the prequel to it

602
00:34:14,650 --> 00:34:22,100
all, because I don't. I don't think Henry's story

603
00:34:22,260 --> 00:34:25,780
starts in the Rainbow Room. That's Vecna's story.

604
00:34:26,180 --> 00:34:30,340
I think Max has. Has stumbled upon the start of

605
00:34:30,340 --> 00:34:31,300
Henry's story.

606
00:34:32,260 --> 00:34:33,940
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right.

607
00:34:35,140 --> 00:34:35,540
>> Sarah : So.

608
00:34:36,020 --> 00:34:39,220
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think you're right. I mean, I

609
00:34:39,220 --> 00:34:40,940
think that's. And I think that's. That'll be one

610
00:34:40,940 --> 00:34:43,340
of the, you know, hanging threads that we have

611
00:34:43,340 --> 00:34:45,940
here now that will. That Will. They'll get more

612
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,600
information about in volume two.

613
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:56,910
>> Sarah : Yeah. And. again, I. I'm loving Will this season,

614
00:34:58,190 --> 00:35:02,790
but I have to say, the writers did him a solid and

615
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:06,030
they're like, will, we know we've been benching

616
00:35:06,030 --> 00:35:06,350
you.

617
00:35:07,070 --> 00:35:07,550
>> Will: Yep.

618
00:35:07,550 --> 00:35:10,650
>> Sarah : Yep, we're gonna pair. We. We've, We've, We've

619
00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:14,930
kind of weighted you down with all of this 11 and

620
00:35:14,930 --> 00:35:18,330
Mike stuff. So now we're gonna pair you with Robin

621
00:35:18,330 --> 00:35:19,210
and whoop.

622
00:35:20,730 --> 00:35:24,570
>> Will: I. That has been a glow. Yeah. That. Honestly, the

623
00:35:24,570 --> 00:35:28,290
Robin Will pairing has been my favorite this

624
00:35:28,290 --> 00:35:31,370
season because, I mean, I've always enjoyed Robin

625
00:35:31,370 --> 00:35:34,770
And Steve. But this is like, next level as far as

626
00:35:34,770 --> 00:35:38,000
my enjoyment of. Of. Of the characters, their,

627
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,130
interactions. you know, the. The whole, you know,

628
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:45,440
you know, within. With episode two, where they.

629
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,920
They, you know, they. They leave the radio station

630
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,000
and go off on the adventure. And then how this

631
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,280
episode starts and they're, you know, riding their

632
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,760
bikes back. And of course, Joy, you know, Joyce

633
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,920
sees them and, you know, and, you know, they have

634
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:02,120
the whole conversation in the car, and I, love

635
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,520
Robin was just like, you know. You know. You know,

636
00:36:04,890 --> 00:36:06,890
I'm paraphrasing, but inadvertently insincere.

637
00:36:07,530 --> 00:36:12,050
Yeah, but, But. But it was very important because

638
00:36:12,050 --> 00:36:15,410
I think it led to a very important conversation

639
00:36:15,410 --> 00:36:19,090
that Will and Joyce needed to have. As far as

640
00:36:19,170 --> 00:36:21,850
just, you know, he just. Don't protect. You know,

641
00:36:21,850 --> 00:36:23,930
don't. Don't protect me anymore, Mom. Don't be

642
00:36:23,930 --> 00:36:27,690
overprotective. I. You know, I. I'm like, our plan

643
00:36:27,690 --> 00:36:30,490
worked. You know, if we had gone. Done your plan,

644
00:36:30,490 --> 00:36:34,060
you know, you know, we. We can't hide anymore.

645
00:36:34,060 --> 00:36:37,460
And. And I think it's. And I think the other

646
00:36:37,460 --> 00:36:38,940
thing, I would think too, as far as this whole

647
00:36:38,940 --> 00:36:41,300
thing about hiding and whatnot, I mean, it plays

648
00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:44,700
into their. The sexuality of it all.

649
00:36:45,740 --> 00:36:47,420
>> Sarah : Oh, before we go there.

650
00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:47,900
>> Will: Yeah.

651
00:36:47,900 --> 00:36:53,710
>> Sarah : Can I just wanna. Because, I think again, also,

652
00:36:54,430 --> 00:36:58,030
Joyce has needed this season to happen because

653
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,440
what I thought was probably arguably the most

654
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,720
powerful Joy scene I have seen in this entire

655
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:10,000
series is when she's explaining to him her ptsd.

656
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,160
And then I. It's like a light turned on for me. I

657
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,520
was like, okay, that makes sense. You're. You have

658
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:22,200
mom guilt to the extreme right now, and I have not

659
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,520
recognized it. And I am sorry, Joyce. I just

660
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,720
thought you were really annoying. But no, she. She

661
00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:34,120
is stuck on that night, and she's just like, I

662
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:39,160
will not. I lost you for eight hours. Like, I did

663
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,560
not. And it's not. I lost you. I did not know you

664
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,200
were missing for eight hours. It's the shame and

665
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,240
the guilt of that. Like, it could have been an

666
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:53,280
hour and she would have still been acting this

667
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,360
way, but. And for her, being a single parent, from

668
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,760
what we've seen, it. It's just magnified. And then

669
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:06,280
it's like, okay, I get why you're. You're extra

670
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:12,720
careful with him because. You. You looked away and

671
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:15,800
he was gone and he didn't even know, and he just.

672
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,150
That. That's a lot of trauma to carry around with.

673
00:38:20,540 --> 00:38:24,220
But I like how in that moment, you finally

674
00:38:24,220 --> 00:38:28,540
understand her perspective and you understand his

675
00:38:28,620 --> 00:38:31,860
and again, I think why a moment like that stands

676
00:38:31,860 --> 00:38:34,540
out is because it's something that we were talking

677
00:38:34,540 --> 00:38:37,580
about last week with this show. These, these m,

678
00:38:37,580 --> 00:38:40,420
these characters shine when they're finally saying

679
00:38:40,420 --> 00:38:43,180
the things the viewers have been saying for years.

680
00:38:44,060 --> 00:38:45,020
>> Will: Yes, yes.

681
00:38:46,300 --> 00:38:51,840
>> Sarah : Or in this case they're saying something that we

682
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,400
didn't think about or consider but makes sense in

683
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,250
terms of the sequence of events these characters

684
00:38:59,250 --> 00:39:01,850
have been through. So it's like that is a logical

685
00:39:01,850 --> 00:39:04,050
explanation for your behavior. And I accept.

686
00:39:05,170 --> 00:39:08,810
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, that's a very good point. That's a

687
00:39:08,810 --> 00:39:09,410
very good point.

688
00:39:10,450 --> 00:39:13,410
>> Sarah : Yeah, but, but, but you're right. Like I didn't

689
00:39:13,410 --> 00:39:17,250
think about the hiding. And we start this season

690
00:39:17,650 --> 00:39:22,910
with Will hiding. and, and how that's also a

691
00:39:22,910 --> 00:39:26,630
metaphor for his own coming out story that we're,

692
00:39:27,110 --> 00:39:30,510
we're full speed ahead on in this season in

693
00:39:30,510 --> 00:39:30,790
particular.

694
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:35,350
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just really, you know,

695
00:39:35,350 --> 00:39:38,020
whenever he and, and M. Will and Robin were

696
00:39:38,020 --> 00:39:40,700
talking and, and you know, finally, you know,

697
00:39:40,700 --> 00:39:43,060
they, again to your point about people saying

698
00:39:43,060 --> 00:39:45,440
things that needed to be said, you know, it's, you

699
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:51,320
know, how many kids have that bull haircut. But

700
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,520
you know, it took a humorous moment, you know, to

701
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,640
really get into, you know, just Robin's coming out

702
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,120
story and how she, you know, you know, talked

703
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,210
about you know, her first experience and, and

704
00:40:03,210 --> 00:40:08,240
when. when she was head over hills over someone

705
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:11,200
and then she like introduces them to Steve and she

706
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,260
was like, you know, they, and I think I do

707
00:40:13,260 --> 00:40:15,020
remember this was maybe the third or fourth

708
00:40:15,020 --> 00:40:17,310
season, where they had that moment,

709
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,640
>> Sarah : Oh no. Was it Robin introduced in the second

710
00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:22,120
season?

711
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:23,080
>> Will: Yeah.

712
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:27,800
>> Sarah : Or maybe they had that whole moment with like her

713
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,560
and Robin or Robin and Steve became a dynamic duo

714
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,360
in the second season. And, and we got the, we got

715
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,970
the the other version of the story, I guess you

716
00:40:38,970 --> 00:40:39,970
would say, but continue.

717
00:40:40,050 --> 00:40:43,290
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but, but I just liked, you know,

718
00:40:43,290 --> 00:40:46,370
but you know, but I, I, it was, you know, that

719
00:40:46,370 --> 00:40:48,410
moment in the episode where they were, they were

720
00:40:48,410 --> 00:40:51,370
talking about it and, and, and you know, she was

721
00:40:51,370 --> 00:40:55,050
just sort of leading him through and, and you

722
00:40:55,050 --> 00:40:57,170
know, the feelings of falling in love and you

723
00:40:57,170 --> 00:40:58,970
know, and usually we're always, we're just so used

724
00:40:58,970 --> 00:41:03,500
to the hetero heterosexual story art with that.

725
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:06,340
But then, you know, but you know how, you know

726
00:41:06,340 --> 00:41:08,940
how, how universal these things feelings are,

727
00:41:08,940 --> 00:41:11,100
whether it's a heterosexual homosexual and also,

728
00:41:11,660 --> 00:41:13,740
like I said, really getting back to my point about

729
00:41:13,740 --> 00:41:16,700
the hiding, you know, Will's been hiding so many

730
00:41:16,700 --> 00:41:22,420
things and this is one of them. So. Yeah, so in

731
00:41:22,420 --> 00:41:24,740
addition to, you know, what we will eventually see

732
00:41:24,740 --> 00:41:28,950
later in episode four. But I think as far as him

733
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:32,590
coming to grip comfortable, coming to re. Grips

734
00:41:32,590 --> 00:41:36,470
and understanding himself and you know. And of

735
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:38,260
course, you know, his. I mean, honest, you know,

736
00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:40,700
they just went right to it. I mean, you know, the

737
00:41:40,700 --> 00:41:44,140
feelings he has for Mike, which I'm like, that's

738
00:41:44,140 --> 00:41:46,020
going to be complicated because, you know, Mike's

739
00:41:46,020 --> 00:41:49,980
all about. About 11. But, you know, but be it as

740
00:41:49,980 --> 00:41:54,100
it may, I really like the way they framed that in.

741
00:41:54,180 --> 00:41:57,040
In this episode and these two episodes. And

742
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:01,040
looking, forward to not only that, you know, not

743
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,200
only the things that we see in episode four, as

744
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,160
far as the, you know, just go ahead and stay at

745
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,240
the powers, but also him just growing up and

746
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:10,840
accepting his. His sexuality as far as who he is.

747
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,140
>> Sarah : Right. To touch on the powers.

748
00:42:16,540 --> 00:42:17,100
>> Will: Yeah.

749
00:42:18,700 --> 00:42:26,540
>> Sarah : Okay. So. So. Says at the end, not all minds

750
00:42:27,100 --> 00:42:30,380
belong in this world. Right. And I chose these

751
00:42:30,380 --> 00:42:33,660
children because they're weak and they're. And

752
00:42:33,660 --> 00:42:35,580
their minds are easily.

753
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:36,340
>> Will: They're.

754
00:42:36,340 --> 00:42:40,730
>> Sarah : They're weak physically. And. And In their minds

755
00:42:40,730 --> 00:42:42,890
are weak and they're easily broken. And you are

756
00:42:42,890 --> 00:42:45,570
the first. And you broke so easily and you showed

757
00:42:45,570 --> 00:42:49,070
me what was as possible. Like, Will, I hate to

758
00:42:49,070 --> 00:42:51,870
tell you, but I. Or I love to tell you, but you're

759
00:42:51,870 --> 00:42:55,750
the. You're the reason this is all happening. but

760
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:59,990
he also says, like, not all minds belong in this

761
00:42:59,990 --> 00:43:03,790
world. They belong in mine. And then he. He also

762
00:43:04,190 --> 00:43:09,070
points to his mind when he says that. Yeah, so.

763
00:43:09,070 --> 00:43:14,190
And we know Max is in Vecna's mind. Vecna, slash

764
00:43:14,190 --> 00:43:17,150
Henry's mind. Like, she's going through these

765
00:43:17,150 --> 00:43:22,430
memories. So. So this may be your prediction or

766
00:43:22,430 --> 00:43:25,500
just, Just wanting to see where your thoughts are

767
00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:25,980
on this.

768
00:43:26,380 --> 00:43:26,860
>> Will: Yeah.

769
00:43:26,940 --> 00:43:30,860
>> Sarah : I know going into the season, this. The odds are

770
00:43:30,860 --> 00:43:38,150
pretty high Will's going to die, but, And I love

771
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:45,440
Max. I. I would argue if they end the show with m.

772
00:43:45,590 --> 00:43:48,770
With. With, Will dying, Max has to die too,

773
00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:52,530
because. And. And then a part of me is also

774
00:43:52,609 --> 00:43:55,930
thinking all of these kids that have now been

775
00:43:55,930 --> 00:44:03,220
taken. They have to like. Like there's. It just

776
00:44:03,220 --> 00:44:06,780
makes me think like. No, no, they've crossed over.

777
00:44:07,900 --> 00:44:11,370
They. They, They've been injected with this stuff

778
00:44:12,170 --> 00:44:17,530
and they're. They're only alive in his mind. And

779
00:44:17,610 --> 00:44:21,610
if he dies, then they die as well.

780
00:44:22,810 --> 00:44:28,060
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, to. Yeah, to that point, you

781
00:44:28,060 --> 00:44:30,620
know, with. We've seen like, for example, with

782
00:44:30,620 --> 00:44:34,060
Will and the Demogorgon, whenever, you know, the

783
00:44:34,060 --> 00:44:36,580
physical pain about. While the. While the army

784
00:44:36,580 --> 00:44:41,460
Was, attacking the. The Demogorgons. You know, he

785
00:44:41,460 --> 00:44:43,980
was. You know, the manifestations of that were

786
00:44:44,620 --> 00:44:46,700
happening to Will as well. So.

787
00:44:46,700 --> 00:44:47,100
>> Sarah : Yeah.

788
00:44:48,460 --> 00:44:50,700
>> Will: Yeah. So. Yeah, so you're. Yeah, so you're right.

789
00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:54,530
I mean, I think if Vecna dies, I mean, these other

790
00:44:54,530 --> 00:44:56,530
kids are, you know, who are linked to him. And.

791
00:44:56,530 --> 00:44:59,750
And also, you know, we were. I was talking earlier

792
00:44:59,750 --> 00:45:01,910
about Dustin and the. And, you know, everything

793
00:45:01,910 --> 00:45:04,670
leading back to Hawkins, but also Will mapping out

794
00:45:04,670 --> 00:45:06,670
what he's been seeing and, you know, and then

795
00:45:06,670 --> 00:45:08,869
marking off the kids and stuff. So it's, you know,

796
00:45:08,869 --> 00:45:11,870
the hive mind is. You know, it's a hive mind. So,

797
00:45:12,510 --> 00:45:15,750
you know, the happy ever after ending would be the

798
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:17,910
kids are freed and, you know, from the hive mind

799
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:20,600
and. And they survive. But, you know, someone's

800
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,480
going to have to die here. And it's just a matter

801
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,080
of, like you said, is it Will? Is it going to be

802
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,730
Max? you know, they did the head 11.

803
00:45:28,970 --> 00:45:33,690
>> Sarah : Yeah, it very much. Well should and could be 11.

804
00:45:34,809 --> 00:45:40,090
But I. I also. I also question, like, are we too.

805
00:45:40,170 --> 00:45:42,290
Thinking too small about it? Is it just one person

806
00:45:42,290 --> 00:45:47,060
or is it a lot of people? And, I randomly stumbled

807
00:45:47,060 --> 00:45:51,580
upon a clip of a show, a podcast, and I don't even

808
00:45:51,580 --> 00:45:56,720
know what it's called. But, they had some super

809
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,280
Stranger Things, fans and, talking about it. And,

810
00:46:00,420 --> 00:46:05,740
they did drop a theory that m. I like, and their

811
00:46:05,740 --> 00:46:08,540
theory is this is going to end, like, no way home.

812
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:13,510
People are gonna live, but no one's going to

813
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:18,470
remember what happened. And why I like that theory

814
00:46:19,350 --> 00:46:24,970
is because I have not said this yet, or mentioned

815
00:46:24,970 --> 00:46:29,010
this, but for whatever reason, while watching this

816
00:46:29,010 --> 00:46:33,130
and dealing with imaginary friends or Matt. Yeah,

817
00:46:33,130 --> 00:46:35,970
imaginary friends and the kidnapping and torture

818
00:46:35,970 --> 00:46:40,760
of children. Children. It has it written all over

819
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:41,080
it.

820
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:42,360
>> Will: Oh. Yep.

821
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:49,080
>> Sarah : And. And again, that whole legend is also like,

822
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,760
the adults don't know what's going on, and it only

823
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,200
happens so many years. And. Yeah, there. So. So.

824
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,280
Makes me. Having already thought about that

825
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,550
reference, makes me subscribe more to this theory

826
00:47:06,190 --> 00:47:11,830
that. That potentially, like, a lot of them could

827
00:47:11,830 --> 00:47:15,590
die, but. And nobody's going to be remembered,

828
00:47:15,590 --> 00:47:20,790
which. Which makes. Also to just add on one more

829
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:24,590
thing with that is considering where we saw

830
00:47:25,630 --> 00:47:28,790
Eddie's legacy at the start of this episode as a

831
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:32,570
casualty in this war, and he's being, like,

832
00:47:32,570 --> 00:47:36,330
completely pissed on and tarnished, and Dustin is

833
00:47:36,490 --> 00:47:39,850
pissed off about it and is wanting to uphold,

834
00:47:40,170 --> 00:47:43,970
like, the importance of, like, no, this is a

835
00:47:43,970 --> 00:47:46,570
reality. This is a real thing that's happening.

836
00:47:47,050 --> 00:47:47,450
So.

837
00:47:48,650 --> 00:47:51,970
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I Mean, you know, I liked. I

838
00:47:51,970 --> 00:47:54,410
like your theory there, especially the no Way

839
00:47:54,410 --> 00:47:58,050
Home. reference that you. That you. That you put

840
00:47:58,050 --> 00:48:01,440
there. Because, you know, again, you know, we.

841
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,320
Throughout the series, we have seen people all

842
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,680
these things happening in Hopkins, and it gets

843
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,730
dismissed, for, you know, whether it was Mike's

844
00:48:11,730 --> 00:48:16,650
parents, m. And. And other things as well. So, I

845
00:48:16,650 --> 00:48:20,690
mean, the. The past is prologue here. I mean, as

846
00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:23,890
far as. Just like, that could be a way that. That.

847
00:48:23,890 --> 00:48:27,730
That. That. That all. How all of this ends. So,

848
00:48:28,220 --> 00:48:30,460
yeah, I mean, I. I think that's. I mean, we're

849
00:48:30,460 --> 00:48:32,580
definitely at the end of the day, someone is, you

850
00:48:32,580 --> 00:48:36,500
know, we're going to lose some people. and it's

851
00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:39,580
just a matter of. Of how many and who and. And.

852
00:48:39,580 --> 00:48:41,380
And. And like you said, I mean, I think it's as

853
00:48:41,380 --> 00:48:44,660
far as, like, moving forward. You know, how. You

854
00:48:44,660 --> 00:48:46,920
know, how. You know, what. What these characters,

855
00:48:47,150 --> 00:48:48,870
whoever. The people that we lose, what their

856
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:50,030
legacies are going to be.

857
00:48:50,510 --> 00:48:51,710
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah.

858
00:48:51,710 --> 00:48:53,470
>> Will: It's not gonna. It's not gonna be like. Barb.

859
00:48:54,190 --> 00:48:56,910
>> Sarah : Yeah. For a moment, I thought we were gonna lose

860
00:48:56,910 --> 00:48:59,670
Hopper. I. I did. Okay. I. I was.

861
00:48:59,670 --> 00:49:01,470
>> Will: See, I knew that was. Yeah.

862
00:49:02,030 --> 00:49:06,070
>> Sarah : I. For, For whatever reason, I was like, how dare

863
00:49:06,070 --> 00:49:11,830
you. Dare you. I just went on a whole tangent

864
00:49:11,830 --> 00:49:14,660
about how this is the only reason why I'm okay

865
00:49:14,660 --> 00:49:17,500
with 11 storyline is because he. She stuck with

866
00:49:17,500 --> 00:49:21,420
Hopper and you're gonna take him away. I can't

867
00:49:21,420 --> 00:49:24,860
stand for this. And. And so, yeah, the. The. That

868
00:49:24,860 --> 00:49:30,780
was good. I did. I did have an early thought, and

869
00:49:30,780 --> 00:49:33,260
I might have mentioned this even last week, during

870
00:49:33,260 --> 00:49:37,370
last week's discussion, but, about the others.

871
00:49:38,260 --> 00:49:41,820
And, like, we. We met the others, so where are

872
00:49:41,820 --> 00:49:45,060
they? And. And then we see her. Her and Hopper

873
00:49:45,060 --> 00:49:49,710
find. Find Eight, in the. Now. Now here's where I

874
00:49:49,710 --> 00:49:54,870
need some correcting and some help. So was 8 being

875
00:49:55,030 --> 00:50:00,230
used to create that. That frequency sound that

876
00:50:00,390 --> 00:50:04,420
caused, like, Hopper refers to it as 11 square

877
00:50:04,490 --> 00:50:08,210
kryptonite, or were they using that on her to kind

878
00:50:08,210 --> 00:50:10,730
of neutralize her and run tests and everything?

879
00:50:12,330 --> 00:50:15,330
>> Will: I think she was. I think. I think they're doing it

880
00:50:15,330 --> 00:50:18,330
for both. I mean, I think they used her to,

881
00:50:20,030 --> 00:50:24,670
basically test to see what. How they could disable

882
00:50:24,990 --> 00:50:28,640
these, you know, these psychic kinetic abilities

883
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,300
that. That. The Hawking, you know, that the

884
00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:35,100
Rainbow Room kids had. but also one of the, you

885
00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:39,000
know, one of the powers that, Eight has is, You

886
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,880
know, and they probably talk about. Talk about a

887
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,000
deep reach. I mean, she's. You know, we saw her

888
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:48,590
in, like, Season two. And you know, you know, she

889
00:50:48,590 --> 00:50:52,470
has the ability to create illusions and, and you

890
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:54,410
know, and. And altering people's perspectives,

891
00:50:55,850 --> 00:51:00,650
perceptions on things. So you know, so there,

892
00:51:00,650 --> 00:51:03,410
there were multiple, you know, so I think there

893
00:51:03,410 --> 00:51:05,730
are multiple things that, you know, Dr. K. And

894
00:51:05,730 --> 00:51:08,850
the, and the team was, was utilizing her to, you

895
00:51:08,850 --> 00:51:09,130
know.

896
00:51:09,130 --> 00:51:09,530
>> Sarah : Yeah.

897
00:51:09,530 --> 00:51:10,490
>> Will: For. Yeah.

898
00:51:11,370 --> 00:51:15,370
>> Sarah : Now how many of the others have we met? Like.

899
00:51:15,690 --> 00:51:18,850
Because, Because I don't know. I. I mean we got an

900
00:51:18,850 --> 00:51:20,680
11 and we got an eight and we got a one.

901
00:51:20,830 --> 00:51:21,070
>> Will: One.

902
00:51:21,630 --> 00:51:23,230
>> Sarah : Who. Who is the rest?

903
00:51:23,390 --> 00:51:25,790
>> Will: Where the rest. I think the rest are. The rest are

904
00:51:25,790 --> 00:51:27,830
all, you know, all perished in the room, if I

905
00:51:27,830 --> 00:51:28,270
recall.

906
00:51:28,510 --> 00:51:29,070
>> Sarah : Okay.

907
00:51:29,390 --> 00:51:30,270
>> Will: That. That night.

908
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:35,684
>> Sarah : yeah. Yeah. Okay. So that's where 7 6. 7 6, 5 4,

909
00:51:35,778 --> 00:51:36,200
3.

910
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,080
>> Will: I guess there were a dozen kids in the room. And

911
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,600
so of course, you know, going back to my comment

912
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,880
about the, the. The. The Rainbow Room, you know,

913
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:49,700
and what the. Now the military, you know, or a

914
00:51:49,700 --> 00:51:51,420
couple things Vecna wants, you know, he's pulling

915
00:51:51,420 --> 00:51:53,860
these kids. And then of course the military is

916
00:51:53,860 --> 00:51:55,900
also replicating this project too because you

917
00:51:55,900 --> 00:51:58,180
know, they were like rounding up all the kids in,

918
00:51:58,180 --> 00:51:59,540
in Hawkins.

919
00:51:59,780 --> 00:52:01,060
>> Sarah : They could protect them.

920
00:52:01,140 --> 00:52:03,940
>> Will: They're going to protect them. But but we also You

921
00:52:03,940 --> 00:52:07,620
know, but I also think that they, they. They had

922
00:52:07,620 --> 00:52:09,060
some other plans for them as well.

923
00:52:09,700 --> 00:52:13,460
>> Sarah : Oh, I don't think so. I, I think because Case says

924
00:52:13,460 --> 00:52:15,360
it. K says that's true.

925
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:15,760
>> Will: Yeah.

926
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,240
>> Sarah : That. That 11 is taking them. They were trying to

927
00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:21,240
use them as bait.

928
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:23,000
>> Will: Okay.

929
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,930
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. For 11. Because she she. She again

930
00:52:27,010 --> 00:52:29,290
thought come. Is coming out this from the

931
00:52:29,290 --> 00:52:32,030
perspective that 11 is the one. Yeah.

932
00:52:32,030 --> 00:52:32,490
>> Will: Ah.

933
00:52:32,490 --> 00:52:35,170
>> Sarah : Doing the harm. And they, they don't know what

934
00:52:35,330 --> 00:52:40,130
Vecna is or. But now they do. Yeah.

935
00:52:40,380 --> 00:52:42,300
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah. Because that's

936
00:52:42,300 --> 00:52:44,500
right because they had the whole scene. She. Kay

937
00:52:44,500 --> 00:52:46,540
and the sergeant had that whole conversation.

938
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:49,800
>> Will: And how he was just like, you know, isn't it wrong

939
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,800
to use these kids to spate. That's right. Yeah.

940
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,720
>> Sarah : Right, Right. Which. Which again is a parallel

941
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:59,440
conversation to, to us getting understanding my

942
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,880
Joyce. A single parent is okay with these kids

943
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,680
knocking out an entire family and destroying their

944
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,710
house. And it's. And kidnapping seen children as

945
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:14,710
well. So it, it is. Everyone is a kidnapper on

946
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:17,310
this show. But yeah, but to go back to the

947
00:53:17,310 --> 00:53:19,870
military being confronted by Vecna and the

948
00:53:19,870 --> 00:53:24,100
Demogorgons. I mean this is why Derek was on a

949
00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:27,180
full redemption arc because of his whole line is

950
00:53:27,180 --> 00:53:29,820
like, excuse me officer, I've seen what these,

951
00:53:29,820 --> 00:53:32,700
these things. What's coming for us. And I can tell

952
00:53:32,700 --> 00:53:36,080
you, you, you cannot protect us. Nope. Nope. You.

953
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:40,640
You can protect. So I'm gonna go. So you're gonna

954
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,240
let us go now, right? Okay.

955
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,760
>> Will: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that, that night too,

956
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,650
with the, you know, when, when the Demogorgons and

957
00:53:49,650 --> 00:53:52,290
Vna. Did you know that. I have to say that that

958
00:53:52,290 --> 00:53:58,070
whole sequence, with the, with that just the

959
00:53:58,070 --> 00:54:02,220
action and you know, and the kids, you know, you

960
00:54:02,220 --> 00:54:06,060
know, trying to protect the kids from, from being

961
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harmed and Yeah, I mean that, that, that I, I,

962
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that was one of my favorite moments, I think, of

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the five seasons. seeing, seeing that moment. And

964
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then of course, you know, Will, you know, having

965
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his, his emergence as far as his powers and, and

966
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protecting, you know, not only, you know, you

967
00:54:24,330 --> 00:54:26,130
know, we've seen him like looking through all, you

968
00:54:26,130 --> 00:54:28,770
know, Vecna's eyes before and another in the

969
00:54:28,770 --> 00:54:31,850
Demogorgons and now, you know, using that to like,

970
00:54:31,850 --> 00:54:36,400
you know, save Mike and Lucas and and all

971
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whenever, you know, whenever they were in there

972
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,760
and, and Robin as well, whenever they were, you

973
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,840
know, all trying to help those kids escape. So,

974
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you know, that was, that was one of my, one of the

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highlight moments, for me, for, for, for this, for

976
00:54:47,710 --> 00:54:49,830
this, this, this volume one. And also just really

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for the whole series.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I, I have. I think I've said everything I

979
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,260
wanted to say about this Volume one. but I, I

980
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don't think I've said it enough. I think that

981
00:55:06,220 --> 00:55:09,460
this, this first volume, it's really starting off

982
00:55:09,460 --> 00:55:14,900
the season strong, with, in terms of pace and

983
00:55:14,980 --> 00:55:21,090
structure and progression and it. I also

984
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appreciate how like, like there's a reason we're

985
00:55:25,810 --> 00:55:28,530
not going down episode by episode. We're all over

986
00:55:28,530 --> 00:55:31,850
the place on this show. It's just because these

987
00:55:31,850 --> 00:55:37,330
episodes are. Bleed into each other so well that.

988
00:55:38,930 --> 00:55:43,730
You really can't talk about a full character's arc

989
00:55:44,210 --> 00:55:47,210
without going into all of the episodes you've

990
00:55:47,210 --> 00:55:52,320
seen. so, so which just says like it was written.

991
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,920
Yes, for binge module model TV show, but it's also

992
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,080
written like a movie and it's a popcorn movie.

993
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It's easy. And I, I think that for a show with

994
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such a long history and a fondness, it's good that

995
00:56:13,390 --> 00:56:16,070
it seems like they're gonna go out on a high and

996
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not a low.

997
00:56:17,390 --> 00:56:22,130
>> Will: Yeah. so I completely agree. I mean it was like.

998
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It's, it's like a really is like building up to a

999
00:56:25,330 --> 00:56:30,040
crescendo. and, and, and this first volume ended

1000
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:34,340
on a very high note. and And yeah, and in just a

1001
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few weeks we'll, a couple weeks we'll, we'll be

1002
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you know, riding this wave as far as the second

1003
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volume. And then and then of course the grand

1004
00:56:41,110 --> 00:56:44,990
finale, for, for New Year's. And yeah, I'm, I, I'm

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00:56:44,990 --> 00:56:46,950
gonna try to see if I could find a screening

1006
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:49,230
nearby because I, I think I do want to watch this

1007
00:56:49,230 --> 00:56:51,590
one on, on the big screen. As far as the finale,

1008
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well, you'll.

1009
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>> Sarah : Have better luck than me. But, but yeah, Be

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wrapping up our discussion post New Year's in

1011
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:13,020
2026. so, so that is be on the lookout for that in

1012
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:19,030
early 2026, everyone. next week we will talk more

1013
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:24,910
about what's ahead for 2026 as well as a lovely

1014
00:57:25,150 --> 00:57:30,220
list discussion of our some of our highlights of

1015
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2025. So next week will be a fun, we won't

1016
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necessarily have any shows to talk about, but

1017
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we're going to talk about like I don't know how

1018
00:57:40,370 --> 00:57:42,210
many different shows next week.

1019
00:57:42,770 --> 00:57:45,130
>> Will: Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing, seeing what

1020
00:57:45,130 --> 00:57:49,020
your tops of 2025 are. because I, yeah I'm

1021
00:57:49,020 --> 00:57:50,540
starting to put together, putting together at

1022
00:57:50,540 --> 00:57:53,400
least my, my, my list and probably be like you

1023
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,760
know, sub list a lot of honorable mentions.

1024
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>> Sarah : I, I, I'm gonna, I'm gonna spoil alert. I don't

1025
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:06,709
think I'm gonna have any honorable mentions. And

1026
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I, as always, if you've been listening us to us

1027
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all year round, you should have an idea of what my

1028
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,140
list will be. If we're talking top five favorite,

1029
00:58:16,530 --> 00:58:20,450
shows of the year and favorite. It's open to

1030
00:58:20,450 --> 00:58:22,530
interpretation. Okay, that's correct.

1031
00:58:22,530 --> 00:58:22,970
>> Will: Yep.

1032
00:58:23,210 --> 00:58:27,880
>> Sarah : So, so it's, it's open to interpretation. And but,

1033
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:33,410
but yeah, I, and I, I don't, I don't think anyone

1034
00:58:33,410 --> 00:58:37,410
should be that surprised by what's on my list and

1035
00:58:37,410 --> 00:58:42,070
what's not on my list. but, but it always will.

1036
00:58:42,070 --> 00:58:45,070
And if anyone who has listened to our show do

1037
00:58:45,070 --> 00:58:48,150
these end of year recaps before because we've,

1038
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:50,710
this is I think our third, third or fourth time

1039
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:53,860
doing them. you will know that the discussion then

1040
00:58:54,260 --> 00:58:57,420
will, will really quickly turn into me trying to

1041
00:58:57,420 --> 00:58:58,740
guess what's on Will's list.

1042
00:58:59,060 --> 00:59:03,220
>> Will: Yep. Yep. Yeah.

1043
00:59:03,380 --> 00:59:07,540
>> Sarah : And then be mad because I feel like I've been

1044
00:59:07,540 --> 00:59:10,820
duped and I think he just, he knows I'm gonna do

1045
00:59:10,820 --> 00:59:13,900
that. So then he puts random stuff in random

1046
00:59:13,900 --> 00:59:17,700
places and I'M like, this isn't a list. I want the

1047
00:59:17,700 --> 00:59:18,300
real one.

1048
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>> Will: Oh, yeah, I'm checking it once and checking it

1049
00:59:23,300 --> 00:59:26,130
twice. But, I'm looking forward to this. Yeah.

1050
00:59:26,130 --> 00:59:28,530
Like I said, there was one last. I think there was

1051
00:59:28,530 --> 00:59:31,300
one. I should have, like, known. And I. And I,

1052
00:59:31,300 --> 00:59:33,780
like, had a brain fart. And. And then when he told

1053
00:59:33,780 --> 00:59:36,300
me, I was like, I can't believe I, like, missed

1054
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that. So, yeah, be sure to tune in, y'.

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>> Sarah : All.

1056
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>> Will: It'll be a fun show.

1057
00:59:42,260 --> 00:59:44,620
>> Sarah : All right, on that note, will want to tell our

1058
00:59:44,620 --> 00:59:46,100
listeners where they can find you.

1059
00:59:46,659 --> 00:59:49,560
>> Will: Yeah, before you, before I get my social stuff,

1060
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,520
don't forget we're still doing our, doing our food

1061
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,950
drive. We're, we're. Our goal is 200 and so we've,

1062
00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:57,880
we're getting there. we, have had a few donations,

1063
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,690
so help, us out at least, at least to get to our

1064
01:00:00,690 --> 01:00:03,850
first hundred. We're only like 20 or 30 away from

1065
01:00:03,850 --> 01:00:07,330
that. But, you know, scan the, QR code. And also

1066
01:00:07,330 --> 01:00:09,680
you can always go to our website, as well.

1067
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,440
There's, there's a link there and we'll always

1068
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,530
have the link in the show notes. But, again, help

1069
01:00:13,530 --> 01:00:16,050
people out here during the holidays. And with

1070
01:00:16,050 --> 01:00:18,930
that, you can always find me on all the socials at

1071
01:00:18,930 --> 01:00:23,020
Will and Polk. W I L L E M M P O L K. And you can.

1072
01:00:23,020 --> 01:00:26,380
>> Sarah : Find me there too, at SJ Belmont, sjblmnt. Please

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01:00:26,380 --> 01:00:28,940
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1074
01:00:28,940 --> 01:00:32,030
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1075
01:00:32,190 --> 01:00:35,390
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1076
01:00:35,390 --> 01:00:37,710
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1077
01:00:37,710 --> 01:00:41,470
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1078
01:00:41,470 --> 01:00:43,510
importantly, rate, follow and comment on Apple

1079
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Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube or wherever you get

1080
01:00:45,350 --> 01:00:46,960
your podcast. Good night. Geek out. You're

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01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:47,360
welcome.