Spider-Noir Episodes 2-4 Review: Are We Still Loving It?

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>> Will: All right, so after watching Spider Noir episodes

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two through four, I think we have to ask the real

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question. Are we still loving this show or is the

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shine starting to come off the web? Because

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episode one gave us the Bob, Nicholas Cage black

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and white noir hardball, detective energy, Marvel,

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Witness. All of that worked. But now that we're

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deeper into the season, the question becomes, does

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Spider Noir have a strong enough story to match

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the style? We're talking Ben Riley, Cat Hardy,

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Robbie Robertson, Silvermane Tombstone. And

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whether this show is building real momentum or

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just giving us a really cool looking mystery box,

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let's get into it.

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>> Sarah : Greetings, nerds. This is seen in Nerd. I'm your

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host, Sarah Belmont, and with me, as always, is

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our Mr. Producer, will Will Polk Carry. Doing

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tonight, Will.

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>> Will: Doing very well, sir. How you doing this evening?

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>> Sarah : I'm good, I'm good.

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>> Will: That's good.

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>> Sarah : You know, it's, it's June.

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>> Will: It is June. Happy June. Happy pride month. Happy,

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happy summer. Happy everything. Right?

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I mean, it's snow everywhere. And I have

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green grass. I have some green grass. I've done

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yard work in preparation and I was pretty angry

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last Wednesday when I was doing yard work and I

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saw my first bee and I was like, damn it, my

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serenity has ended. Because I can't, I can't do

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bees. I can't do flying things because they're

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hard to kill. Okay. A, spider is easy to kill.

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>> Will: Hey, spider. You're saying, oh, hey, don't be like

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this. Don't be like, you know, the, you know, the

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swatting of the spider there in the episode two.

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>> Sarah : Well, well, it is. And I didn't even know I was

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gonna go there

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>> Will: when you did. I was just like. Yeah, as soon as I

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was like, I just thought of that image. Sorry.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, no, no worries. I just. So we are here

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it is June, and we're talking, Spider Noir, season

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one, episode two, Tread lightly. You're an

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investigator. Investigator Gate. Will, do you

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think that given what happens in season or in

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episode two, does the show work beyond the pilot?

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>> Will: Yeah, I think so. I mean, I think the. Not only

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this episode, but all three episodes, to me, just

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intrigue definitely is like ratchet up, ratcheted

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up for me this week. now that, you know, we, we

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definitely have that, I feel like in many ways the

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show feels a bit more grounded. And I'll, you

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know, expand on that, thoughts as, as we, as we

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discuss the, the, the, three episodes that we're

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talking tonight. and then also we're seeing Ben

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become more of a PI. So, you know, so there's

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episode one, Set the table, and then two now,

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really starting to dig into more of the, mystery

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and, and. And the beats as far as how all these

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characters, like, interconnect. So, yeah, I feel

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like it was. I think things are starting to

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advance with this. With the second episode maybe.

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>> Sarah : Did anything really stick out to you about the

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second episode?

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>> Will: Yeah, so one, One thing that did stick out to me

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and it really was with. With Robbie and and

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whenever he went to go see Vera and. And one of

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the things as far as what I was talking about

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groundedness of the, of these episodes, again, as

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we know it, it is in the, in the 1930s. And then

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whenever he went to go see Vera and it was this.

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And also some, Some. One other thing. But one of

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the elements is whatever she was. Whenever he

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could. They were talking about Addison and and she

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starts to. She was like screaming, about, you

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know, black man coming into her apartment there.

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At the, at the, at the hotel. There was that. And

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it also, The, also the whites only. I mean, it was

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just, it just really. Even though this isn't a

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comic book world and, and all it, it definitely

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did. What I appreciated about it was it did not

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ignore the fact that this show is set in the 30s

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and there is a segregated America. And that has

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really, really appreciated that plot, that, that,

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that point. And then also whenever they were in

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the hall and, you know, she's like, I'll scream.

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And you know, thinking about like, you know, Jim

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Crow and, you know, and some of the terrible

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things that happened when, you know, with, during

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that time period, with, with. With. With

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situations. I, I. And then how Robbie like,

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countered it as far as, like, you know, yeah, you

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could, you could do that. But, you know, you know,

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you may, you may saw. You may solve compound, one

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problem for another. I really appreciate how they,

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how they, how they showed that in, in this

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episode. I mean, I know there's other things that.

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That were going in there, but that was definitely

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one point when I was watching it that really did

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stick out to me. because in so many times when you

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do these genre pieces, they may ignore that piece,

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but I liked how the showrunners, you know, faked

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real history into, into their shed.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, no, that's, Those are good catches,

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because they don't draw too much attention to it

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either.

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>> Will: Right, right. But yeah, but it was there. Yeah,

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it's like, whites only. I mean, it was just, you

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know, whenever Robbie talked to the, bellhop,

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there, he was like, yeah, you know, here's how you

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get it. Here's how you can get into this, you

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know, into this, into this hotel and stuff. So it

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was cool. Things like that.

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>> Sarah : And you said, like, that was one of two things

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that made it feel more grounded. What was the

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other thing?

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>> Will: Oh, I was also just along those same lines.

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Whenever, Ben and Robbie and Janet were. Were.

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Were talking about the photo that Ben finds in

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Flint's apartment and showing that they were. They

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were, you know, of course, they were captured in

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the first World War in Germany.

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>> Sarah : And.

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>> Will: And then, you know, and. And anyway, reference

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Ben's service, but then Ben also noted that, the,

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units were segregated at that time. And so for all

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these. So. And that, you know, Janet then figured

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out, well, you know, these. And they all figured

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out this. This must means that they were POWs, and

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of course, yeah, does lead to some of the other

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things as far as, like, well, you know, the

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experimentation and that kind of stuff. For why

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these three individuals that we've been introduced

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to have powers.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. And our. The Rogues Gallery that we're

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familiar with. All too familiar with with, Spider

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Man.

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>> Will: Oh, yeah.

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>> Sarah : I mean, we. We get introduced to Lonnie. Lonnie

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Lincoln, AKA Tombstone. so. And I think that's

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really what stood out, not just about this

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episode. because I think out of these three

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episodes, the second episode's the weakest for me.

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Ah. But. But in terms of jumping off points, in

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terms of my perception about the show so far, I. I

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can appreciate how they are interweaving the,

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Spider man mythos into this show without drawing

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too much attention to it. it's like there are

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Easter eggs, but not the Easter eggs. They are not

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executed the way that in the past, Marvel

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specifically has executed Easter eggs given, like,

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there's no wink to the camera. It. It just. It's.

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And. And they. They go about it in a way where

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you. You have to look it up. You have to be like,

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okay, so who really is this person? I mean, last

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week I was like, so who is Cat Hardy? Just so I

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understand. And. And you reminded me that she was

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Black Cat at one point. So you. You start to put

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the pieces together a bit more. And. And I just. I

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can appreciate that. I do think that it's. It's

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just so of this genre to have, these individuals

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who are superpower be part of the War. Because.

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Because we've seen that a lot over the past. Like,

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like, it's just innate that those world wars,

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whether it's two or one, they to. To ground the

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origin story. They. They start them off as

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soldiers and then they become, they get captured

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and experimented on. So I was like, okay, we've

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seen that a bit before. but at the same time, I

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think it's clever to use that space specifically

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for the Rogues gallery. Because unlike X Men,

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which is an ensemble crew.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Spider man has the exact opposite issue. It's just

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Spidey. And with the. The number of rogues and.

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And the only other, arguably the only other hero I

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equate it to is Batman with his Rogues Gallery. It

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gets to the point where sometimes the. The

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villains are more popular and known than even the

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hero. I mean, Joker and Batman, but that's dc. So

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I, I just, I can appreciate how it's being used as

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the device to, to populate New York with these

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other superpower, people. Now, question for you,

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because I might have missed this. did we, we. Did

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Ben at any point say that he served in the war?

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>> Will: Janet brought it up, so.

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>> Sarah : He did.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Okay. He served in war.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : We don't know if, during his service, that's when

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he got, bitten by a spider.

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>> Will: Right, right. They haven't answered that question

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yet as far as how he got his powers. But he did,

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but he did serve. And he also, you know, because

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even there was a line in, in this episode, or

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maybe it was a third episode, but even noted,

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like, oh, yeah, when he discovered the. When he

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discovered the photograph in, In Flint's

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apartment. And then he. He notes how there were

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just, you know, you know, many, many soldiers in

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the area. And, and, and, and that's also whenever

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he also noted that the units are segregated. And

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so that's how he put it together. That, that's how

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they all put it together, that Lonnie Addison and

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Flint, were POW together at that camp, in that

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photograph when they were liberated.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. They're using the search for Addison,

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which Addison kind of kicks off all of this chain

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of events and they're intertwining it now with a

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search for Flint as Janet has paid Riley to

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investigate Flint's disappearance. And then, And.

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And so it's also good that they're having arguably

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these very parallel investigations that are, we

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know, are interconnected. but. But it gives, like,

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Robbie in particular reason, Ah, to be around.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : and to be Utilized like he can go off and

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investigate over here and then Ben can go this way

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and have his whole back and forth with Janet. and

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then Silver Main is just always lurking, which by

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the end of this episode, Ben steps in it a little

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bit as he. He prevents. so make sure I get this

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right. So, yeah, we learn at the end of this

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episode that someone tipped off the cops about a

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Silver Main booze exchange because again, thirt of

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prohibition. But someone stopped him from coming,

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>> Will: so.

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>> Sarah : And it was Ben who stopped Silvermane from coming

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because of their interaction. Right.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. So. So I e. There is a rat in the crew.

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>> Sarah : And I think. I think everybody knew who it was.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wonder who that. I

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wonder who the guy is. I wonder who it is. But.

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>> Sarah : Guy.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Guy or girl?

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>> Will: Guy or girl? Because again, yeah, I love how they

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like, really structured that. You know, structured

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like you were saying all these with the second

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episode, you know, we, you know, we do have Cat,

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hiring Ben defined Flint. You know, at the same

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time we're having Winston and Silver Main up there

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on the. On the rooftop. And I watched. I have to

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say this real. Just digress for like 30 seconds. I

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watched both of these in color and black and

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white. I have to say that I'm like, tied now as

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far as the. As far as which version I like better

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because they. They both work for different

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reasons. But getting back to Winston and. And

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Silverman on the rooftop, you know, Silverman,

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Winston is like sharing all these stories about,

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the Canadians, you know, with. With the drop and.

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of, you know, tread lightly as far as thinking you

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could take me out even though this, you know, and

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they also just note how, you know, how the city

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has gotten more maybe complacent because the

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spider's been gone for five years. And so, you

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know, so there's. There's that story that was

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going on there. And then of course, when, you

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know, of course Ben going to the, the apartment

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and you know, finding the. The photo and of course

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Misson, you know, going in there and you know, you

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know, right. They were tailing him and like right

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behind. Right. Not tell him at that point, but

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they also go to the apartment too. And of course,

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of course we have the hiding in the closet, you

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know. But the funny thing about it, even though,

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thing to happen, it. It still like, worked, for

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the un, the universe that we're in and the show

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that we're in, and then just, you know, again

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showing how Ben has to use this again saying it

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without saying it. You know, he has the organic we

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web spinners. He doesn't. You know, he's not like

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Peter, where at, least one, you know, the earlier

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versions of Peter, before the Sam Raimy of it all

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with the organic spinners and, the movies in the

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early 2000s. But you having the organic spinners

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and, and using that to like, keep Winston from

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like finding them there in the closet. So things

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like that, where those are like little fun little,

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the second episode.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I didn't like the closet scene. Not because

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like him being in there or anything. I just was

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like, Winston, really, you're. You. It's obviously

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locked or something and you're not going to try a

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bit harder. I thought he gave up. I thought he

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gave up. Way too simpler. That's just my nitpick.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. But also I think too. But the thing

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is, if you like it forced it, then they would have

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given it away that someone had been in there.

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>> Sarah : So I don't think they really care. they shouldn't.

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I mean, they're mobsters. So.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : that leads us into episode three.

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>> Will: Yeah. Before we drop, before we leave there,

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though, there was one thing too. As far as just,

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Ben suiting back up and, and one of the things I

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liked about him, I was. I was surprised that they

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had him suit up so early in the series. I was

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thinking we would get a little bit later. I mean,

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I know we've seen him like, you know, utilize his

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powers and stuff, but, but for him to, to. To do.

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To suit up and to. To be able to, stop. Stop the

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raid. And then the precipitating event was just

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some, you know, was after they roughed up Janet

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and stuff there in the, in the, in the office, it

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really showed the dimensions as far as like, get

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it. Putting people in peril. Got them back in

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document, back in the game.

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>> Sarah : Yep.

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>> Will: Hey, y', all, it's Will real big favor to ask. If

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that, thank you so much. Let's get back to the

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discussion.

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>> Sarah : So now that brings us to episode three, Double

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cross. The quicker you prove it, the quicker they

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die. so here, the mystery and the character work.

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Does it get stronger, Will?

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>> Will: Definitely, definitely. I. I think here's where

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we. Where I was referencing earlier, seeing Ben,

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do the detective work, like, whenever we, you

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know, going. Going around talking to the various

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policemen in the. In the. In the hospital, and

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having them. You tip each other's, you know, get

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one piece of the story from one person, then

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builds on it to get it from another person, and

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then, you know, continuing. Continuing on,

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especially as they try to figure out, you know,

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who was the one who tipped off what, you know,

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what happened there, at the, you know, with. With

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the raid. And so, yeah, so to me, that was

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definitely a place where the things that

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definitely did get a little bit. Get started to

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get deeper.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I think it was. So I watched episode three

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and four in black and white. I take your

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recommendation, and I agree with you that I. I

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think that episodes should be watched in black and

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white. because you were right. The lighting is

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definitely strong enough. So it's not like you're.

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You can't see things. And, the use of shadows,

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really, it's. I mean, that's film noir. So it. It

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really allowed me to actually view it from that

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perspect. I don't know if that was a good thing,

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though, because then my mind started to question,

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okay, so why are you using that angle here? And I

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don't know if they just got a little bit crazy

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with the editing because it felt like we were

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jumping around for no good reason. sometimes I

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like editing for purpose, especially with film

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noir. I mean, there was a scene in particular that

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stood out. So. So the more I thought about it was

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more I was like, okay, I. I get it. I mean, this

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is the gimmick of the show. It's noir. It's spider

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noir. So. So that's why we're doing it. But the.

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But they. They do create beautiful images, in

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black and white. I mean, they're. I. I kind of

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wanted. I kind of like. I think it's in episode

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two, after he comes back to the office as the

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spider. They chose this. This, off offset angle.

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And they chose it because he's in costume,

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returning to the office of a PI, but as a spider.

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And so it felt very crawly, if that makes sense.

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The crawley is not a word. But it felt like we as

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a viewer were crawling into the office. So I

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appreciated that. I also appreciate in the third

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ep, or not the third episode, but in the fourth

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episode when Kat Hardy jumps out the window, the

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fall, the. Watching that in black and white was

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beautiful, Very beautiful. yeah, they, so, so I,

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I, I, I do. Like I said before, I, that it should

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be in black and white. Now the other thing, and

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this is why I really went on this tangent, is

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because you brought up the whole sequence of him

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interviewing people. And it was during this

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sequence where I got somewhat of the ick. Okay. I

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love Nicholas Cage. I do, I do. And I, I loved

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hearing his voice in the, Cross the Spider Verse

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movies. However, it was during this sequence where

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I was suddenly like, is he just doing an

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impersonation of Jimmy Stewart? Because, and then

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as soon as I heard it throughout the rest of the

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episodes, I was like, oh, God, this annoys me to

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no end because. Just feels like an impersonation.

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And, then again. Or, or is my brain messing with

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me because I'm like, because I equate. Because I

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was also like. Or is that more Gregory Peck? I

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don't know. I think it's Jimmy Stewart, though.

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>> Will: I mean, I will sit here like Cagney.

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>> Sarah : What?

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>> Will: Cagney? You know, as far as another film noir.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, Yeah, I just, I guess I, I go, I go, Stuart.

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I've seen way too many of Stuart's movies, so.

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>> Will: Yeah, but, yeah, I, I hear what you're saying,

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though, because I had that same, Especially like,

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whenever, when, when Winston and, and Ben were,

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were, were talking there in the bar and, and you

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know, part of it was the ver. Trying to, using

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some of the vernacular at a time. But it, but

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you're right, I mean, there were, it was, there

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was Nicholas Cage leaning into, like, leaning into

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what, you know, what we know about Nicholas Cage

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as far as an actor, and, and really playing up

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that, you know, playing into his strengths of,

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like, taking it to the, to me taking it to the

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edge, like, with, like he said, with the, with the

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intonation. But, never for me, at least, I never,

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I don't think he ever went to, like, parody, but

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it, you know, but he came dangerously close to it.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I mean, it, it went beyond just that

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sequence for me.

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>> Will: Yeah. So, yeah,

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>> Sarah : that's where I was like, okay, okay. It's just

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that during that, it was so fast that I, I, was

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like, wait a second. And then my, I, Then as the

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episode continued, I was like, oh, great, I have

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the ick I can't unearth. what, what else stood out

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to you about this episode? Episode three.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. So what I, the other thing I really

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enjoyed with, episode three, I Think it was where

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they, they started picking up the thing about the

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mark bills. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Because that's how he manages to get. To

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save Cat and get Winston killed.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. So it was that and then of course, you

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know, again breaking into Silver Main's apartment

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that night. And, and, and I loved seeing how he,

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he, he used his spider powers to like, you know,

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to hear the tumblers with the safe in there. And

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also I, think, you know, last week we were just

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discussing as far as the spidey sense, as far as

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like, was it broken or not. And it seems, it seems

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in these episodes the spidey sense is definitely

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more, more attuned, because, things that were

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happening he was able to, to anticipate. So maybe

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the Ed. Maybe getting back in the game, thing seem

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to be working better for him.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I think, I think it's more. He's more

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attuned. I think the spidey sense has always been

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there, but ever since the chain of events,

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especially knowing he, he kind of screwed up

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during, at the end of the last episode, he. His

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responsibility, you gotta use that word when

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you're talking about Spider man, leads him to be

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more attuned to that sense and to all of these

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connections. And I mean, that's where you see the

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detective come out and start, start to put, put

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the pieces together. I mean, he, I, I can

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appreciate that they're not making Ben dumb. He,

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he is very smart and, and arguably none of the

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characters are dumb. not, not even with Winston to

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an extent. He's just an. There's a difference.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And so I, I can appreciate, I can appreciate that

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so far we have no dumb characters. Now will that

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stand for the second half? I don't know. You

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always know. They tend to sneak their way in there

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and then they're like, what the heck? But, ah, but

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yeah, the, the bills and, and just the, the cat

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and mouse game of it all was an interesting thing

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to present in terms of Winston chasing Ben and Ben

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trying to save Cat while while at the same time

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trying to like, get them out of this situation

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because she's clearly the rat. and, and, and then

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finding himself working for Silvermane. I mean

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that was another good wrinkle is where suddenly my

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enemy, who, Who I know won't hurt me because of

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the threat from the spider that he delivered, but

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simultaneously like, he doesn't want to be working

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for him either. So.

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>> Will: Right.

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>> Sarah : And, And I think it's, also goes back to the whole

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30s recession and like marking of the bills.

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There's a lot of lines in this episode about

482
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following money, not people. and. And there's also

483
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:41,370
a lot about the class divide because there,

484
00:27:41,450 --> 00:27:45,050
there's a line. Money and power. Not a lot of that

485
00:27:45,050 --> 00:27:47,450
going around these days. But here you are in your

486
00:27:47,450 --> 00:27:53,130
ivory tower and that's Ben to Silver Main. So. So,

487
00:27:53,270 --> 00:27:57,140
and then you have Winston's, ah, arguably his last

488
00:27:57,140 --> 00:27:59,940
line, which was. What did I tell you? You can, you

489
00:27:59,940 --> 00:28:03,100
can't dress up as stray dog. It will. It will

490
00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:05,660
still bite you and it will still bite you. And

491
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,880
that's in reference to. To Kat. Now I, I just want

492
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,360
to put one thing out there. We don't have to delve

493
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:18,080
into this. Okay. I just want to say I would have

494
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,240
thought it would have been more interesting if

495
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:20,530
they did.

496
00:28:20,530 --> 00:28:23,740
>> Sarah : Had a different relation dynamic occur between Cat

497
00:28:23,740 --> 00:28:27,820
and Winston because there was a look in, I want to

498
00:28:27,820 --> 00:28:30,700
say the second episode when she's trying on

499
00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:36,560
dresses for Silvermane and his reaction made me

500
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,320
think there was some sympathy. And that just went

501
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,280
right out the window in episode three.

502
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,520
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

503
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,200
>> Sarah : I. I feel like they took the easy way out there.

504
00:28:48,159 --> 00:28:50,440
>> Will: Yeah. I'm glad you brought that up because I was

505
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,800
thinking when I was watching that scene whenever,

506
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,760
when, whenever she was you know, basically like,

507
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,520
you know, treated her like a doll. Read to me like

508
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:07,270
sympathy, but also was, you know, but also,

509
00:29:08,020 --> 00:29:11,300
>> Sarah : Like I thought at one point they were together and

510
00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:13,060
she left him for Flint.

511
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,920
>> Sarah : Like I created. And without one look, I created a

512
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:23,440
whole nother story going on. I mean, yeah, there

513
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,120
was, you knew that. There was definitely tension.

514
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,910
>> Will: There was tension. I. Yeah.

515
00:29:28,910 --> 00:29:31,230
>> Sarah : Yeah, we just. You just couldn't figure out what.

516
00:29:31,230 --> 00:29:34,950
And I don't really think we ever got a good reason

517
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:38,790
for those two to not like each other.

518
00:29:39,270 --> 00:29:40,910
>> Will: Yeah, that was going to be what I was going to

519
00:29:40,910 --> 00:29:44,710
say. You read it as sympathy also. I read it. What

520
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:46,390
the word I was looking for was discussed.

521
00:29:46,910 --> 00:29:49,980
>> Will: whenever he was looking at her, whatever, she was

522
00:29:49,980 --> 00:29:52,820
trying on those things. But it was discussed. But

523
00:29:52,820 --> 00:29:56,430
also. Yeah, but also, but, but there was also

524
00:29:56,430 --> 00:29:58,990
some, maybe a little bit of lust there as well.

525
00:29:59,710 --> 00:30:02,470
just because whenever Cat just, you know, turned

526
00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:06,080
around and was, you know, walking. you know, it

527
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,720
definitely like played into the, the film noir

528
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,400
trips with the femme fatale and, you know, this.

529
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:16,040
The hypersexuality of the scene and all also. So,

530
00:30:16,330 --> 00:30:18,150
Yeah, so there were a lot of. There was a lot of

531
00:30:18,150 --> 00:30:20,430
things going on in that, in that moment for sure.

532
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,800
>> Sarah : Yeah. It's just a very thin line between love and

533
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:25,440
hate.

534
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:26,500
>> Will: Yeah.

535
00:30:26,500 --> 00:30:31,220
>> Sarah : the. Yeah. The other big thing that happens in

536
00:30:31,220 --> 00:30:35,380
this episode is Robbie witnessing the Harlem

537
00:30:35,460 --> 00:30:40,200
police raid and finding not only Flint, but also

538
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,200
Lonnie and. And they use their powers to fly fight

539
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,760
off the pool lease. any thoughts about that whole

540
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,840
sequence and. And Robbie's investigation that

541
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,320
occurs throughout this episode?

542
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,400
>> Will: Yeah. So, you know, you brought up about the. The.

543
00:30:55,480 --> 00:31:00,029
The class of And the depression and you. And so

544
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:05,760
Again bringing all that up in this episode. And

545
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,490
then you know, and also just Robbie, you know,

546
00:31:10,290 --> 00:31:12,610
Robbie trying to get his job back at the Bugle.

547
00:31:12,690 --> 00:31:16,010
And you know, now that. Now that these people are

548
00:31:16,010 --> 00:31:18,610
back, you know, clearly we have the spider who is

549
00:31:18,690 --> 00:31:21,050
reemerged. We have these people with powers and

550
00:31:21,050 --> 00:31:27,000
Robbie is trying to You know, trying to get us.

551
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,000
He's like, you know, I remember him like talking

552
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,560
to the editor's assistant, trying, you know, like

553
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,040
look, I'm. You know, I have a story here. Just

554
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,000
give me a chance. And then of course he gets all

555
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,240
those photos and I'll. And to your point about

556
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:44,190
the. The. The Cinematography and stuff, they. They

557
00:31:44,190 --> 00:31:47,110
did a. This was another scene where I think they

558
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:51,110
definitely took advantage of angles and Just

559
00:31:51,270 --> 00:31:53,910
great. Just great composition of scenes when

560
00:31:53,910 --> 00:31:57,670
Robbie was taking those pictures of. Of the fight

561
00:31:57,830 --> 00:32:01,250
going down. but also again, just getting into the

562
00:32:01,250 --> 00:32:04,260
class of it all and And just, you know, how

563
00:32:05,690 --> 00:32:09,210
Treating people during this. During this time

564
00:32:09,210 --> 00:32:12,850
period. So again, you know, this show, like I was

565
00:32:12,850 --> 00:32:16,070
saying with. With. With some of the You know,

566
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:20,510
showing the. The. The segregation of things of. Of

567
00:32:20,510 --> 00:32:23,990
the time period is also you know, again showing,

568
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,520
You know, showing and not necessarily telling but

569
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:32,450
just by. By. By util. Utilizing a story. They are.

570
00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:35,980
They are sharing many things, that. That we can.

571
00:32:35,980 --> 00:32:38,420
We. We get as a viewer without it being like you

572
00:32:38,420 --> 00:32:41,380
know, overly preachy or anything like that. But it

573
00:32:41,380 --> 00:32:43,180
just. Again just sort of sets the tone.

574
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,190
>> Will: And again, I agree with you. this is where the

575
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:50,150
black and white really does accentuate that. Those

576
00:32:50,150 --> 00:32:50,590
elements.

577
00:32:52,510 --> 00:32:57,030
>> Sarah : Yeah, I. That sequence, I wasn't really impressed

578
00:32:57,030 --> 00:32:59,500
by the angles. So so much as, The way it was

579
00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:04,060
edited felt like with every flash of the camera it

580
00:33:04,060 --> 00:33:07,700
almost was like there was a pause. And so it felt

581
00:33:07,780 --> 00:33:12,460
like a flip, book of images. Very, very comic

582
00:33:12,460 --> 00:33:14,820
booky, but in black and white. I don't know.

583
00:33:14,820 --> 00:33:17,460
There. There were. And given that Robbie's the

584
00:33:17,460 --> 00:33:21,200
journalist, which again, Journalism and

585
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,640
investigation is a very prime thing in terms of

586
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,910
Spider Man. So we. We have we have Ben as the

587
00:33:29,910 --> 00:33:35,870
investigator but, but Robbie also investigates and

588
00:33:35,870 --> 00:33:40,030
you still have the, the pictures and, and the, the

589
00:33:40,030 --> 00:33:44,270
proof of it all of this actually occurring. So I,

590
00:33:44,350 --> 00:33:46,440
I, I, I appreciate that.

591
00:33:47,410 --> 00:33:50,650
>> Will: yeah, and then, oh yeah to that point about you

592
00:33:50,650 --> 00:33:52,570
know, the proof of the telling the story and then

593
00:33:52,570 --> 00:33:55,050
of course the story getting twisted by the editor.

594
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:01,730
You know that the focus is on the Flint, and

595
00:34:01,810 --> 00:34:05,130
Sandman and Tombstone and the whole police

596
00:34:05,130 --> 00:34:08,410
brutality of it all was just completely white

597
00:34:08,410 --> 00:34:12,130
washed away because, and whenever, because I, I

598
00:34:12,130 --> 00:34:14,650
knew that the editor was going to, I was going to

599
00:34:14,650 --> 00:34:17,010
do something with Robbie's story. He wasn't just

600
00:34:17,010 --> 00:34:19,330
going to like, you know, tell the story that

601
00:34:19,330 --> 00:34:24,940
Robbie wanted to tell. But, but I did, but and I

602
00:34:24,940 --> 00:34:28,610
guess that was where I was going earlier. you know

603
00:34:29,330 --> 00:34:33,210
them really not telling the truth there. It was

604
00:34:33,210 --> 00:34:35,530
just more the sensational aspect of like oh we've

605
00:34:35,530 --> 00:34:39,010
got these, we got these monsters back with powers

606
00:34:39,010 --> 00:34:41,530
and, and the whole police brutality and think of

607
00:34:41,530 --> 00:34:43,730
course you know we have that backdrop of all this

608
00:34:44,050 --> 00:34:47,210
with the, with the re election of the mayor and

609
00:34:47,210 --> 00:34:51,730
you know learning his, you know, how he's trying

610
00:34:51,730 --> 00:34:54,210
to. Yeah, yeah yeah.

611
00:34:54,210 --> 00:34:57,050
>> Sarah : Because I just want to chime in on this because I

612
00:34:57,050 --> 00:35:00,170
think the the more interesting thing about that

613
00:35:00,170 --> 00:35:03,050
whole exchange is it's a reminder. We still don't

614
00:35:03,050 --> 00:35:06,210
know why Robbie lost his job to begin with. We

615
00:35:06,210 --> 00:35:09,870
know at one point he was investigating the spider

616
00:35:10,030 --> 00:35:14,710
and he was that point person. But, but then the

617
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:18,490
spider went away and so suddenly you start to put

618
00:35:18,490 --> 00:35:22,650
together some of the pieces of likely Robbie's job

619
00:35:22,650 --> 00:35:26,690
was all dependent on that because, and so the,

620
00:35:26,690 --> 00:35:30,130
there's, there's a bittersweet of sense of irony

621
00:35:30,130 --> 00:35:34,610
here given that he, he experienced this police

622
00:35:34,690 --> 00:35:38,370
brutality thing that just so happened to include

623
00:35:38,850 --> 00:35:45,720
people with these unnatural abilities. but, and he

624
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:49,400
presented that story yet the editor took it,

625
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,320
sensationalized it. Which is the very thing that

626
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,160
I'm led to believe as a viewer he was known for

627
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,400
doing with the spider. So who knows what kind of,

628
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:06,890
so it's I, I, I wonder how long the where they'll

629
00:36:06,890 --> 00:36:09,890
go with the ethics of journalism with Robbie and

630
00:36:09,890 --> 00:36:14,850
that idea that yes you do have these, these people

631
00:36:15,650 --> 00:36:20,650
who have that. But that doesn't diminish the, and

632
00:36:20,650 --> 00:36:24,610
this may the non superhero stories that still

633
00:36:24,610 --> 00:36:28,130
occur in New York that are very worthy of being

634
00:36:28,530 --> 00:36:33,910
told. sometimes that, that, that can get just

635
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:37,830
missed because of the, the bigger headline is just

636
00:36:37,830 --> 00:36:43,990
this crazy thing. So but that leads us to episode

637
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:47,790
four, the midpoint of this season A mistake I'll

638
00:36:47,790 --> 00:36:51,950
never make again. I don't know. I think he still

639
00:36:51,950 --> 00:36:54,870
got it is the IMDb summary. And I'm sorry, y',

640
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:57,470
all. I just realized I haven't been saying you

641
00:36:57,470 --> 00:37:03,600
said things. But, but if you go back, I, I do it

642
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:08,400
at the start, so, so put one and two together. so

643
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:11,560
I'm gonna start with this one just because I have

644
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,520
to get this off my chest. And I, I'm sure y' all

645
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,000
know where I'm gonna go with this because y' all

646
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,800
know that I love me a ship. Do I ship Cat and Ben?

647
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:29,030
No. And here's why. I think it was too fast. I

648
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:35,120
think that, It annoys me how we have these great

649
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,680
moments, these really interesting moments with Cat

650
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:45,240
and Flint in the previous episodes and we there or

651
00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:48,400
even in this episode. And there's just this. You

652
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,720
get the sense that they were going to be together.

653
00:37:51,980 --> 00:37:56,940
She did this for him, and yet he is sick. And,

654
00:37:57,980 --> 00:38:02,540
and, and so there, there is a lot to unpack there.

655
00:38:03,260 --> 00:38:06,810
So, so then to proceed to, quote, unquote, unpack,

656
00:38:07,180 --> 00:38:09,860
it. And it just be like, yeah, that's just a

657
00:38:09,860 --> 00:38:14,340
fantasy. And then for, for Ben to get in the

658
00:38:14,340 --> 00:38:17,350
middle or seemingly in the middle. I don't know,

659
00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:20,380
like it. I don't like it. I don't, I don't like

660
00:38:20,380 --> 00:38:23,900
it. I didn't like the kiss at the end, so. Because

661
00:38:23,980 --> 00:38:28,620
it just felt while I was sensing that that turn

662
00:38:28,860 --> 00:38:32,620
was too quick where I was like, wasn't it like 2

663
00:38:32,620 --> 00:38:35,820
days ago you were still in love with Flint? It was

664
00:38:35,820 --> 00:38:39,580
also simultaneously the recognition of how much

665
00:38:39,660 --> 00:38:42,900
they, they messed with Flint as a character

666
00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:47,100
because one minute he hates Silvermane. maybe

667
00:38:47,100 --> 00:38:50,060
hate's a strong word, but he, he wants that life.

668
00:38:50,060 --> 00:38:53,660
And then the next thing I know, he, he witnesses

669
00:38:53,980 --> 00:38:58,800
a, conversation and he goes off and suddenly he's

670
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,920
Silvermane's right hand man again. So yeah, it,

671
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:10,080
like, it just annoys me. And I get it. We have

672
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,810
eight episodes. But then, then I feel like, well,

673
00:39:15,050 --> 00:39:18,410
why did we witness all those other scenes where we

674
00:39:18,410 --> 00:39:21,130
can see the humanity and the love between these

675
00:39:21,130 --> 00:39:25,530
two characters only for like the very next episode

676
00:39:25,530 --> 00:39:27,600
for this all to happen. I'm like, I don't know

677
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,840
about that. So, so I am not a man. And Cat Shipper

678
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:36,720
and, and the like, that honestly took up a lot of

679
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:39,480
my brain power while watching the fourth episode.

680
00:39:41,150 --> 00:39:44,810
Okay, but, what are some of your thoughts about

681
00:39:44,810 --> 00:39:46,170
the fourth episode, Will?

682
00:39:46,490 --> 00:39:49,210
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I, I was, I was there with you,

683
00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:51,900
because I'm glad you brought up the third episode.

684
00:39:52,380 --> 00:39:55,900
The moment that that Cat and Flint did have there

685
00:39:55,900 --> 00:39:59,620
in the. In the apartment and how he was, you know,

686
00:39:59,620 --> 00:40:04,820
like you said he was. They had. They were said was

687
00:40:04,820 --> 00:40:06,820
going to leave it all and just get away from it

688
00:40:06,820 --> 00:40:11,620
all. And then, and then now, she. That Ben and Cat

689
00:40:11,620 --> 00:40:13,940
have this conversation there at the stage, you

690
00:40:13,940 --> 00:40:21,140
know, on the stage. And for me that was part. That

691
00:40:21,140 --> 00:40:25,420
was part of. Problematic for me there also two. It

692
00:40:25,420 --> 00:40:29,340
was, you know, we, you know, we get more details

693
00:40:29,340 --> 00:40:34,820
about what happened with Ruby. Yeah, exactly. And

694
00:40:35,210 --> 00:40:39,730
in that sequence. And so I know we're at the

695
00:40:39,730 --> 00:40:47,050
midpoint, but I. For him to. I don't know, I was

696
00:40:47,050 --> 00:40:51,369
almost like. I don't know if it was where I was

697
00:40:51,369 --> 00:40:52,860
shipping, feeling the shipping vibes. it was

698
00:40:52,860 --> 00:40:55,140
almost like he was getting into, you know, was

699
00:40:55,140 --> 00:40:59,980
that true protector mode as much as falling in

700
00:40:59,980 --> 00:41:02,760
love with her? Like, I mean, I guess it was

701
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,320
falling in love with her too, but also it was

702
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,840
like, oh, here's the opportunity to make things

703
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,760
right with Cat. That I did that where I messed up

704
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,680
with. With Ruby. And when we, when we get that.

705
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,240
That backstory so.

706
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,160
>> Sarah : Well, because he denies that. Well, because he.

707
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:22,600
>> Will: I know he denies that.

708
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,760
>> Sarah : Yeah, I don't. I don't think that. And I also

709
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,990
don't think that it's love. I think it's just

710
00:41:30,990 --> 00:41:37,230
lust. And. And I say that also given that when we

711
00:41:37,230 --> 00:41:41,350
learn more about Cat in the theater after and

712
00:41:41,350 --> 00:41:45,110
which prompts us to learn more about Ruby, Cat

713
00:41:45,110 --> 00:41:47,590
tells us about a dentist. She doesn't tell us

714
00:41:47,590 --> 00:41:51,550
about Flint. She tells us about a dentist and her.

715
00:41:52,430 --> 00:41:55,710
And. And that guy. Her falling in love with him.

716
00:41:55,950 --> 00:41:59,250
And so. So there's a pattern. I mean she's the

717
00:41:59,250 --> 00:42:03,120
femme, fatal. She. She doesn't fall in love there.

718
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:08,840
These people are used. And. And this again is what

719
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,400
annoys me because you totally got me with the

720
00:42:12,479 --> 00:42:17,120
Flint and Cat love affair. Only to then suddenly

721
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,090
I'm like, oh, she's a femme, fatale. So. So she.

722
00:42:21,330 --> 00:42:26,220
All of these men, our devices are being used to

723
00:42:26,220 --> 00:42:29,460
get her out of. Out from under Silvermane.

724
00:42:30,180 --> 00:42:30,620
>> Will: Yeah.

725
00:42:30,620 --> 00:42:34,490
>> Sarah : So she like, she She thought Flint. She could get

726
00:42:34,490 --> 00:42:36,930
out with Flint. She thought she could get out with

727
00:42:36,930 --> 00:42:39,810
this dentist. Both of them have been removed now.

728
00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:44,370
And now she has Ben who just protected her and

729
00:42:44,370 --> 00:42:47,730
saved her. And she's like, I hm, wonder if he can

730
00:42:47,730 --> 00:42:50,360
manipulate these situation to get me out of. Of

731
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,600
here. because it's just an. It's just an escape.

732
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,560
And she knows her allure she, she knows. And

733
00:42:57,720 --> 00:43:00,480
that's what a femme fatale does, is they like

734
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:05,000
capturing the wed because of lust, and then they,

735
00:43:05,260 --> 00:43:08,070
they will sacrifice you to get what they want,

736
00:43:08,070 --> 00:43:09,870
which is mainly freedom.

737
00:43:10,590 --> 00:43:12,950
>> Will: Yeah, that's, that's true. That, that's a good

738
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:15,190
point. I, I, I did not think, I did not think

739
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:17,630
about that. But now that you, now that you mention

740
00:43:17,630 --> 00:43:23,730
that, that, that, that then as you, you brought it

741
00:43:23,730 --> 00:43:25,770
up earlier. But of course, the way this episode

742
00:43:25,770 --> 00:43:30,040
ends, with her figuring out, putting two and one

743
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:30,600
plus one.

744
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:31,240
>> Sarah : Yes.

745
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,589
>> Will: Together. as far as, you know,

746
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:38,190
>> Sarah : again, no dumb characters. No dumb characters.

747
00:43:38,190 --> 00:43:41,780
>> Will: No dumb characters at all. but, but now with your

748
00:43:41,780 --> 00:43:45,940
framing of it with these next four episodes, that,

749
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:53,240
well, will she use that to her advantage over, you

750
00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:56,900
know, with respect to Silvermane or, with Ben?

751
00:43:56,980 --> 00:43:58,700
Yeah, we'll do, we'll just sort of see how that

752
00:43:58,700 --> 00:44:01,510
all, how that all plays out over the next, next

753
00:44:01,510 --> 00:44:02,350
few episodes.

754
00:44:02,910 --> 00:44:06,270
>> Sarah : Oh, yeah, I think it's definitely. She's tying

755
00:44:06,350 --> 00:44:12,260
herself more to Ben given what she knows now. now

756
00:44:12,820 --> 00:44:18,820
the benefit all. Well, we'll see. He, he's a bit,

757
00:44:19,060 --> 00:44:22,610
he's in a bit, clouded judgment is a polite way of

758
00:44:22,610 --> 00:44:27,481
putting it. So, yeah. but I also, I mean, just

759
00:44:27,481 --> 00:44:32,761
that one line of her trying to say, you, what

760
00:44:32,761 --> 00:44:37,121
you're doing did for me was redemption for Ruby,

761
00:44:37,121 --> 00:44:39,921
and he's like, no, no, that can never be redeemed.

762
00:44:40,401 --> 00:44:46,751
So I, I, I kind of, and, and Ben is still very

763
00:44:46,751 --> 00:44:51,671
much a character who to an extent, is

764
00:44:51,671 --> 00:44:52,711
underdeveloped.

765
00:44:53,511 --> 00:44:53,911
>> Will: Good.

766
00:44:54,551 --> 00:44:57,031
>> Sarah : And rightfully so, because he's our main

767
00:44:57,031 --> 00:45:00,591
character. So you gotta have a bit more intrigue

768
00:45:00,591 --> 00:45:04,091
with him. So, so I, I don't think I will have a

769
00:45:05,051 --> 00:45:09,011
full assessment of who Ben Riley is as a man, as a

770
00:45:09,011 --> 00:45:12,171
person, as a hero until the end of the season.

771
00:45:12,971 --> 00:45:14,091
>> Will: Yeah, I agree.

772
00:45:15,051 --> 00:45:19,491
>> Sarah : So, so I, and, and maybe not even then because, I

773
00:45:19,491 --> 00:45:23,091
mean, it's only a season one and there's a chance

774
00:45:23,091 --> 00:45:24,971
that it'll get picked up for a second season.

775
00:45:25,051 --> 00:45:26,171
>> Will: But yeah.

776
00:45:26,371 --> 00:45:30,691
>> Sarah : what else we. There, there's a card game. We, we

777
00:45:30,691 --> 00:45:33,251
kind of already talked about this loosely, but

778
00:45:33,651 --> 00:45:39,371
this episode, Robbie and Janet learn some more of

779
00:45:39,371 --> 00:45:44,211
the, history with the POWs, from Lonnie regarding

780
00:45:44,211 --> 00:45:47,731
the Germans capturing them and doing this to them.

781
00:45:47,891 --> 00:45:51,091
And now they need to go and talk to Dr. Faber

782
00:45:51,581 --> 00:45:57,111
about it. Riley also tips off Robbie, and Robbie

783
00:45:57,111 --> 00:46:01,101
gets a breaking story, when the spider fights

784
00:46:01,261 --> 00:46:03,901
Electro in the streets of New York. And this is

785
00:46:03,901 --> 00:46:07,311
like the big public experience, appearance of the

786
00:46:07,311 --> 00:46:10,991
spider. That there is. And I just love, I love the

787
00:46:10,991 --> 00:46:16,311
line, no, no, we're not a team. No, the mayor was

788
00:46:16,311 --> 00:46:21,531
trying. I thought that was like, okay, okay, there

789
00:46:21,531 --> 00:46:26,531
was that. Which, which also reminds me, some of

790
00:46:26,531 --> 00:46:31,411
the interactions between Robbie, not the spider,

791
00:46:31,411 --> 00:46:35,491
but Robbie and Silvermane. There's a lot about,

792
00:46:36,211 --> 00:46:40,371
there's a lot of suggestion about his wit. And

793
00:46:40,851 --> 00:46:43,811
like you, there's a line in particular he says,

794
00:46:43,811 --> 00:46:47,091
oh, you've got a mouth on you that'll get you into

795
00:46:47,091 --> 00:46:51,491
trouble. And, and, and then that just. That's

796
00:46:51,491 --> 00:46:57,371
really interesting because we know the Spidey is

797
00:46:57,531 --> 00:47:02,651
very known for him being a non stop yapper while

798
00:47:02,651 --> 00:47:07,081
fighting. but here the, the comments is mainly

799
00:47:07,081 --> 00:47:12,931
made about Robbie himself as the PI. Like, like

800
00:47:12,931 --> 00:47:15,531
it's, it's a, it's a good twist to have. And

801
00:47:15,531 --> 00:47:18,891
again, these three episodes, that's the biggest

802
00:47:18,891 --> 00:47:22,851
thing that stood out to me is like the, the, the

803
00:47:22,851 --> 00:47:26,891
natural use of the mythology that we've seen so

804
00:47:26,891 --> 00:47:32,051
many times and yet integrated into this very

805
00:47:32,131 --> 00:47:37,041
specific point in history. and it, very specific

806
00:47:38,281 --> 00:47:42,801
New York City version of New York City. It's just,

807
00:47:42,801 --> 00:47:45,401
it's, it's really well done. It does remind me a

808
00:47:45,401 --> 00:47:49,201
lot about the cartoon, series, the Animated Series

809
00:47:49,201 --> 00:47:52,241
we watched last year, the Amazing Spider Man.

810
00:47:52,881 --> 00:47:53,361
>> Will: Yeah.

811
00:47:53,651 --> 00:47:56,881
>> Sarah : because, because we had similar reactions to that

812
00:47:56,881 --> 00:47:59,481
as well with how they were using the characters,

813
00:48:00,071 --> 00:48:00,971
and mythology.

814
00:48:02,341 --> 00:48:05,061
>> Will: For sure. For sure. One, one quick thing. So it

815
00:48:05,061 --> 00:48:08,861
wasn't Electro, it was Megawatt. It was the.

816
00:48:09,101 --> 00:48:11,661
What's the character here? And, and this, and this

817
00:48:11,821 --> 00:48:15,421
spider noir speaking, of characters. but I

818
00:48:15,421 --> 00:48:17,741
completely agree with you with. I have the same

819
00:48:17,741 --> 00:48:20,501
reaction with the mouth comments. And also, even

820
00:48:20,501 --> 00:48:23,621
just whenever Ben was like fighting, in, in the

821
00:48:23,621 --> 00:48:27,551
spider costume, fighting Megawatt there in the

822
00:48:27,551 --> 00:48:29,871
street talk, you know, talking smack and even,

823
00:48:29,871 --> 00:48:32,471
even way back in episode two when he first dons

824
00:48:32,471 --> 00:48:37,571
the costume. yeah, that, you know, we, we did

825
00:48:37,571 --> 00:48:41,411
have, we did have some of those callbacks to, to

826
00:48:41,411 --> 00:48:43,851
other, other iterations of Spider man. But yeah,

827
00:48:43,851 --> 00:48:47,211
you're. I definitely, I did like, I did like how

828
00:48:47,211 --> 00:48:50,131
they again take elements that we're familiar with,

829
00:48:50,131 --> 00:48:52,571
like you said, and then put it into, into this

830
00:48:52,571 --> 00:48:54,451
construct of this, of this universe.

831
00:48:57,061 --> 00:48:59,461
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah.

832
00:48:59,781 --> 00:49:02,981
>> Will: So, and then, yeah, and I know just real quick, I

833
00:49:02,981 --> 00:49:05,701
know we, I know we're coming up on time, but I

834
00:49:05,701 --> 00:49:08,821
know we, we did put a pen in there about the, the

835
00:49:08,821 --> 00:49:12,601
mayor of it all. and, and I, you know, and I know

836
00:49:12,841 --> 00:49:17,601
the mayor was trying to be like, latch on the

837
00:49:17,601 --> 00:49:20,481
spider to help him with his reelection. Reelection

838
00:49:21,601 --> 00:49:23,921
methods. but, you know. But there was the. The

839
00:49:23,921 --> 00:49:26,521
interaction, you know, between the mayor, Silver

840
00:49:26,521 --> 00:49:30,551
Main and the police chief. And, you know, of

841
00:49:30,551 --> 00:49:34,231
course, the. The mayor. You know, Silver. The

842
00:49:34,231 --> 00:49:38,871
mayor is trying to, like, take over, you know,

843
00:49:38,871 --> 00:49:43,311
basically, like, you know, give. Give Silver Main

844
00:49:43,551 --> 00:49:46,431
the. The husman as far as. Just like, look, I'm

845
00:49:46,431 --> 00:49:48,331
the guy in charge here, but Silver Main's like,

846
00:49:49,121 --> 00:49:53,381
no, remember, who got you here? so. Yeah, so

847
00:49:53,381 --> 00:49:55,581
there. There's that. That whole interaction

848
00:49:55,581 --> 00:49:57,381
between. You know, the triangulation there that

849
00:49:57,381 --> 00:49:59,251
was happening there at the, At the club between

850
00:49:59,251 --> 00:50:01,931
the mayor, the police chief and the. At Silverman.

851
00:50:01,931 --> 00:50:04,531
It was another. Was another thing that was a

852
00:50:04,531 --> 00:50:07,401
highlight for me for, this. This fourth episode.

853
00:50:11,241 --> 00:50:18,151
>> Sarah : Yeah, I think I've said everything I've wanted to

854
00:50:18,151 --> 00:50:22,151
say about these three episodes, and we will be

855
00:50:22,151 --> 00:50:25,351
covering the second half of the season next week.

856
00:50:27,231 --> 00:50:29,831
unless. Is there anything else you want to say

857
00:50:29,831 --> 00:50:31,231
about these three episodes?

858
00:50:32,111 --> 00:50:34,471
>> Will: No. You know, I think. I know we talked. I know

859
00:50:34,471 --> 00:50:36,951
you talked about the card game. I mean, we touched

860
00:50:36,951 --> 00:50:39,351
on it. I think, though, really the one thing that

861
00:50:39,351 --> 00:50:41,871
I did appreciate about that scene with Robbie,

862
00:50:42,141 --> 00:50:48,041
Janet and. And, Lonnie Tombstone, was even going

863
00:50:48,041 --> 00:50:53,201
back to when Robbie and Lonnie first met. And. And

864
00:50:53,201 --> 00:50:55,561
Robbie was like, hey, brother. You know, it was

865
00:50:55,561 --> 00:50:59,601
just trying to. That. Trying to do the. The. The.

866
00:50:59,601 --> 00:51:05,281
The kinship kind of thing. and, you know, Lonnie

867
00:51:05,281 --> 00:51:08,291
just not having it. and then, of course, what was

868
00:51:08,291 --> 00:51:11,251
really interesting too was just, you know, they.

869
00:51:11,891 --> 00:51:16,611
The positioning in that scene because Robbie was,

870
00:51:16,611 --> 00:51:20,411
like, sitting over Lonnie, like, you know, in a

871
00:51:20,411 --> 00:51:23,651
position of, like, dominance. And. And it just

872
00:51:23,651 --> 00:51:26,211
caused Lonnie to, like, just shut down. But, you

873
00:51:26,211 --> 00:51:28,851
know, it was Janet and just. Just very

874
00:51:29,091 --> 00:51:32,011
disarmingly, just say, hey, let's just. Just play

875
00:51:32,011 --> 00:51:35,831
a game of cards. Was. Was. Which really like, you

876
00:51:35,831 --> 00:51:40,141
know, got him to relax and, be able to. You know,

877
00:51:40,141 --> 00:51:42,661
he just started talking and, you know, they got a

878
00:51:42,661 --> 00:51:46,341
lot of information. you know, just. Just from.

879
00:51:46,981 --> 00:51:50,381
Just. Just reshifting the. The. The elements there

880
00:51:50,381 --> 00:51:53,861
in the room, I thought was another really cool

881
00:51:53,861 --> 00:51:57,221
thing that they did. I just like the way that

882
00:51:57,221 --> 00:51:59,141
scene was shot and just sort of how. How it all

883
00:51:59,141 --> 00:52:01,781
played out and. And. And just, you know, again,

884
00:52:02,421 --> 00:52:04,621
showing. You know, we talked about it earlier just

885
00:52:04,621 --> 00:52:09,861
showing the. The. How class and other things even,

886
00:52:09,941 --> 00:52:12,181
you know, within the various communities within

887
00:52:12,181 --> 00:52:16,901
New York just sort of play out here in the 1930s.

888
00:52:16,981 --> 00:52:18,901
So I thought that was a really cool thing as well.

889
00:52:19,621 --> 00:52:23,821
>> Sarah : Definitely. All right, well, Will, why don't you

890
00:52:23,821 --> 00:52:25,861
tell our listeners where they can find you?

891
00:52:26,911 --> 00:52:30,221
>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at, Will

892
00:52:30,221 --> 00:52:33,681
and, Polk W I L L M P O O L K. And you

893
00:52:33,681 --> 00:52:36,561
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