A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms 1x04 & Wonder Man Eps 1-4: A Dual Dive into Fantasy and Fame

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>> Sarah : Foreign. Nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your

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host, Sarah Belmont, and with me, as always, is

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our Mr. Producer, Will Polk How are you Doing

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tonight, Will.

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. Happy Monday.

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>> Sarah : Happy Monday to you as well. We are back in our

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regular time slot. and, and we will. Well, by the

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end of the month, we'll be shifting to Tuesdays.

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>> Will: We will be shifting to Tuesday. So, yeah, paradise

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will be premiering, the 23rd. So, we will be

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shifting to Tuesdays to continue our discussions

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of Night of the Seven Kingdoms, which we're going

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to be talking about tonight. But also pick up

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Paradise Season 2.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, but there's not. Oh, yeah. Okay. yeah, so a

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Night of the Seven Kingdoms, Season one, episode

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four, seven Dunk, angers the Targaryens and

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demands trial by combat. When Aryan calls for a

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trial of seven, Dunk must find six warriors to

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join him in a battle. Will, what did you think

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about this episode?

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>> Will: So my overall thoughts to, to kick us off is, you

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know, this to me was just a true lesson and how

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you build expectations and the payoff was executed

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masterfully. As far as the, the conclusion to this

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episode. And, and I have to say, I, I, I, I knew I

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was wondering when we were going to get this

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payoff. As far as, in the novella where we, you

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know, we do have the tournament and everything.

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And I have to say, it, it took the source material

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and just took it to the next level. And I have to

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say, give, give Peter Claffrey the, the nods for

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the Emmy right now because I really think he just

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really excelled as Dunk in this episode. So I,

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really, really, really enjoyed it.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, it's a, it's another solid episode. I mean,

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this show so far has just been consistent, very

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consistent with everything that it's doing. and,

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and we, we start the episode with Duncan in his

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cell, and then we have an interaction with Egg,

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and ultimately what really is the, what I consider

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the truer cold open of this episode, which is

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Duncan's conversation with Baylor. and because if

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you're paying attention to that conversation, it's

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the end. The end reveal of Baylor being on

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Duncan's side is not surprising.

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>> Will: Right.

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>> Sarah : However, it's, it's done in a way where it is a

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twist in the sense that he is a Targaryen. So

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it's, I don't, I think what they're doing so far,

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is they are, they are not executing to go back to

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paradise. The paradise twist, which has you

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believe you're being told one story and within the

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last five minutes it turns it on its head and it's

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like, no, no, that's not what this story is about

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at all. It's about something else entirely. That's

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not what this show is doing. This show is taking

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characters and taking specifically a family that

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we are well accustomed to, given a House of Dragon

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and, and Game of Thrones and then putting in this,

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this hedge night in the middle of this very

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political, very birthright driven family that has

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a lot of infighting. So and, and honestly what I

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kept thinking about, throughout the entire

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episode, the entire episode is specifically after

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his com. Duncan's conversation with Baylor is the

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look that Baylor gives Aryan after the joust.

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Because there is a look exchanged between the two

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of them and I'm like, oh yeah, that, that uncle

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wants you dead. Uncle does not like you. Does not

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like you one, bit. And you don't like. Because I.

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Aryan. His whole display also tarnished Baylor. So

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you're, you're, you're dealing with like a nephew

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not liking his uncle, but his uncle supersedes him

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in terms of power and hierarchy because yeah, so

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it's, I, I just, I, I, I find it I find it very

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interesting how like I said last week, they

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continue to be able to tap into this world that we

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are very familiar with and just continue to find

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new ways of showing perspective.

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>> Will: Yeah, you know, it's interesting that you had with

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your take on Baylor and, and Aryan because you

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know, thinking back to the conversation that you

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talked about with, with between Dunk and, and

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Baylor and during that, during that conversation

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they were discussing how good of a knight are you,

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you know, as far as his skills. And because you,

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because again during this time period in Westeros,

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things are, are rel. Relative peace. I mean there

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hasn't been any war. And, and so the only way that

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knights can really show their prowess is, is

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through these tournaments. So so thinking to when

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they do get to the scenes where they're all

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sitting there at the table, Baylor, Maker, Aryan

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and the others. And you know, he's sitting there

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like cr. You know, crunching the, crunching the

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walnuts and stuff, Baylor also gave him an out in,

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in the sense that, you know, because of the

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impression that like you noted Dunk made on him as

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far as being an honorable man.

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>> Sarah : And what do you mean he gave him an out?

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>> Will: He I think he was, you know, I think he may have

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suggest whenever they were trying to decide the

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judgment whether or not to take a, a hand and, and

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a foot or another.

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>> Sarah : Well, yeah, he, yeah. Baylor knew in that

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conversation that ah, Duncan does not know his

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options. So he was playing lawyer.

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>> Will: Lawyer. And also he, you know, given that he

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didn't know his, didn't know honestly Duncan's

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skill. I mean, you know, you have Aryan who's a

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Targaryen, who, you know, they, we've seen in, in

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House of the Dragon, how they, they trained. And,

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and also he was also probably thinking let, you

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know, let me just dig out this old, old method of.

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From the, you know, from the Andals and.

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>> Sarah : Well, that wasn't Baylor.

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>> Will: No, no, no, no. I'm saying. I know, I know Aryan

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said it, but my point is I think, I think Baylor

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off screen or you know, maybe hinted to, to Aryan.

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>> Sarah : I don't, yeah.

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>> Will: That this is, this is because. Or I mean. Or it

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could just be that, you know, the Targaryens just,

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you know, know their stuff.

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>> Sarah : And, and yeah, I think, I think Aryan, based on

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both his uncle and his father's react, I thought

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his father's reaction was even more interesting to

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that whole thing. They were not pleased. And, and

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I could hear Baylor just be like, damn it. He knew

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about that. Because I think the whole convers a

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good night. Like how good of a night are you? Is

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kind of like, are you good enough to take out my

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nephew?

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Because I think one on one size, get him off the

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horse. Yeah. So it's, it's ah, it's ah. I, I, I

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think that that came out of left field. I don't

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think that was intended because now, that, that

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even forced Baylor to make a decision, to really

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make it clear whose side he's on. And he can say

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all of the honor crap he wants, but his brother

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knows the truth. So. Yeah, it, it won't, it won't

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end well. there was something else you said that I

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wanted to touch on, but I forgot.

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>> Will: Was it as far as.

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>> Sarah : Oh, it was, it was about the Targaryen trainings

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that you brought up. And, and that was another

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thing. because we, we've seen Arian in action and

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we, we know how much of an ass he is. We know

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which side of the tree his apple fell on from the

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Targaryen tree. but we're also introduced to yet

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another. We're properly, we've already seen him,

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but we're properly introduced to another brother

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of eggs. Darren, who is almost like. Are you sure

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you're not Baylor's? Are you, Are you Sure. I. I

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see the blonde hair, but Are you sure who. Who

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will it. Who. He first lies. But he had to. And we

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understand, given. Given our knowledge about

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especially Targaryen fathers. We get it. but that

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lie even works, against Duncan, which pushes him

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further into this, situation that he now has to

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fight his way out of. And. And then he brings Egg

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and. And talks, ducking, and basically tells him,

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just. Just let me have one good lot look, and just

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knock me on the head. Just. Just. I don't want any

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part of this. Go ahead and kill my brother. But

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it's. It, I think it just, again, shows because

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he's not Egg. Because he did lie. I mean, Egg

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lied, too, but he. He is also. He's definitely not

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his brother. it's, similar to some of the stuff we

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saw early on in House of the Dragon with the

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brothers.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: On.

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>> Sarah : On the wrong side of history. Yeah, just.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, another. Yeah, another thing about

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Darren, too. He also has that Targaryen, gift of,

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At least with. Of, Dreams. Yeah. Like. Like Helena

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I thought about as soon as I was. Whenever he was

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talking about that in the. In the. In this

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episode, I was like. I immediately thought of

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Helena, but I think he, you know, but he was m. A

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little bit more definitive in his. In his,

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prescience than, Than she was, because I think she

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more talked in. In sort of concepts, whereas he

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was like, yeah, we're. We're gonna have a. What

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was it? What was the quote? yeah, it's putting in

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the notes. Oh, gosh. Yeah. Well, he had a vision

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of Duncan alive and a giant dragon dead. So. Yeah.

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Yep.

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>> Sarah : I wonder if he told his uncle that vision. It's

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possible because he doesn't like his father. Yeah.

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So I. I wonder and if that further pushed Baylor

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to. To, step in at the end of the episode.

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>> Will: Yeah, well, I think. I think there are a couple of

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facts. I think that's definitely a factor.

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>> Sarah : Oh, yeah, and there's. There's thousands with

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Baylor and his decision.

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>> Will: Yeah, for sure. So, speaking of. I know you

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mentioned the lies and stuff, and. And. And I

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really. I know we quickly touched on, Dunk, an egg

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in the. Whenever he was in the cell. But I really,

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you know, really with that scene, just a betrayal

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that Dunk felt, because, you know, he really. I

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think he really had grown to, you know, really

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like this kid. You, know, when I, you know, I

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think about, like, the scene last. In last week's

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episode, where, they, you know, at first it was

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kind of annoyed, but then he's like, let me teach

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you how to properly, like, you know, you know, sew

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up this. This jacket and. And all that kind of

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stuff. I mean, you know, throughout the series

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they have like, you know, grown this relationship

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between the two characters. And so I, will say

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that, the. The. The hurt that was per. That was

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shown there, it was even more, you know, more

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vivid than. Than what was even in the. In the. No,

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the Hedge Night. So I, I liked where, you know,

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that's where this show has also excelled and,

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like, taking the source material and like, making

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it even more dynamic, which, you know, it's a fun

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read anyway, but, you know, it just takes watching

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it definitely, and seeing how they've interpreted

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that in this adaptation to me, really, you know, I

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texted you over the weekend. I was like, I

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absolutely love this episode. So that's one of the

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reasons why too.

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>> Sarah : so I want to touch on Egg and something else. I. I

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kept going back to the episode before. It's. It's

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really interesting because in this episode, as we

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talk about Egg and we see what he's doing and the

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role he's now in and. Or the position he's now in,

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I kept thinking about the. The joust again with

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Aryan, but this time at the beginning when, Or I

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don't know if it was Aryan's joust or if it was

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the joust beforehand when, Egg screams kill him.

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>> Will: It might have been because. Because whenever he

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was jousting with Sir Humphrey, whenever he. When

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, because if that's the case, then,

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that, because I heard someone talk about it in the

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sense that, like, his. He clearly was enjoying the

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brutality until it got to be too much. And. But

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because. Because he said kill him. Like he was in.

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On the action. But if it was in fact the Aryan

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joust, he was specifically telling Aryan's

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opponent. Because he makes it very clear in this

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episode to Duncan. He's like, yeah, yeah, I. I

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need you to kill him. Because, like, this is. This

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is what my brother did to me when I was even

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younger than I am now. He attempted to make me his

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sister so he could marry me. The. Yeah, yeah, so.

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So that takes incest to a whole new level. A whole

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new level. But I. And it. And it's m. It reminded

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me. I don't know if I don't Think you're that far

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in Game of Thrones, so. But it reminded me of a

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story that Tyrion Lannister tells of his sister,

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Cersei. So I, I, again, like, it's, it's

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interesting how the justifications that these

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characters give for the decisions that they're

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making. And with Duncan, he's learning as he goes

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because you're, you're right. There was a lot of,

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first is talking to Egg. But the. By the time he

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gets to Baylor, which is not that not much time in

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between, he's suddenly defending Egg. and, and in

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a very protective way. So it's, it's. And, and,

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and I think that's what Egg expected in a way. I

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did, I did really like the line though. because

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again that whole conversation is like just great

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prepping for Baylor's ultimate decision, which

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arguably every scene Baylor is in so far in these

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episodes. Again, just a build up until. To that,

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pinnacle decision to fight alongside Duncan.

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because he tells, he tells Egg, you should have

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come to me when the puppet stuff like. And it does

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make a viewer think.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : If you were Egg, knowing your family, knowing the

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consequences and knowing Duncan does not

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necessarily think first. Okay. He just goes with

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full, full emotion.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : You're gonna go to him before your uncle. Who. You

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know, your uncle. I bet you Egg also knows his

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uncle does not really care for Aryan that much. So

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I, I just, I thought that was an excellent point

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that I hadn't thought about. And it does make me

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question Egg and being. I mean, I know he's like

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what, seven years old?

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>> Will: I think he's nine. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Nine. But he's still a little bit tiny. Like.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I. It just makes you question. Hm. You thought a

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lot of. You were very strategic and then you. I

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don't know if that was the right choice, my

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friend. I don't know. because either way your

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freedom is out the door, like either way. But it,

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it's, it's interesting to think about that. That

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the reasoning, Eggs reasoning, I don't know. And

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you can tell me if they explain his reasoning even

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more or if that whole concept is new for the show

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and wasn't really explored in the book.

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>> Will: For the most part, this episode with a few, very

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few deviations pretty much tracked what happened

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in the book.

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>> Sarah : Okay. Ah, but do they explore it a little bit

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more? That idea that like why Egg chose to go to

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Duncan and not Baylor in that moment?

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>> Will: A little bit. Yeah. Yeah. but, But, yeah, I think.

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But it was one of those things. And even in the

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show too. Just keep it in the show context. I

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mean, I think here is where I think, Egg is trying

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to, like, regain the trust, I guess, of. Of Dunk.

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and so I think that, you know, so when he. When

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he, you know, so. And to your point too, I mean,

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he. Egg knows his family, so, So I think, you

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know, and. And so, you know, I think that was.

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there also.

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>> Sarah : Okay.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Anything else you want to talk about? I said

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everything I wanted to say.

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>> Will: Oh, gosh. I mean, we were. Yeah, we had y. To me,

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I, do want to go to the actual. I mean, Dunk

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having to, you know, we get the choice to build,

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you know, to do the. The seven and. And just the

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whole scene of how all that played out. As far as,

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you know, of course we have, You know, we have Sir

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Stefan who. Who basically, at first he was going

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to fight with Dunk. And then of course he's, you

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know, of course he saw the opportunity. He was

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like, saw an opportunity and. And, you know,

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switched sides and. And then the whole dynamic

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too, where I think was really pivotal was when I

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really wanted to touch on Dunk and his hesitation

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and 19, Runyon. Because, I mean, I think that was

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really getting to the core of. Of some of the,

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Some of the imposter syndrome that Duck was

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feeling, that we've seen throughout the series and

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even like going back to the beginning whenever he

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was even just trying to get on the list and. And

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really drives home the point, I think the. The

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thing, you know, because there was a. There was a

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flashback, I don't know if you called it, during,

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that moment when he had to flashback to Sir Arlen.

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and I think it was really driving home the point

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that, you know, the having the taps on your

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shoulders is not really what makes you a knight.

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conversation with Baylor, you know, looking out,

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you know, having honor, looking out for the

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commoner, looking out for the weak among us. And,

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you know, that was really driven home, to me in

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this episode that, Dunk was still feeling that

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imposter syndrome there for a bit when he was

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hesitating there, making a night. So when Sir

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Lionel came, over and. And did it, you know,

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definitely gave. Gave him the opportunity to, you

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know, again, you know, try to recruit, one more

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person to go to the crowd. And I mean, and that

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was just. That scene was just so. So that's the.

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What I. When I referenced earlier about why I

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thought he should be considered for, Emmy

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consideration, that was sort of. That, you know,

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how we had the Viserys moment in House of the

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Dragon. This, to me, was like that kind of

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defining moment in a series where, Where we had

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Duck giving that speech, trying to, you know,

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browse up the. Rouse up the folks and. And, you

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know, get someone to fight on his. On his side.

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And really, you know, again, it was a good

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exploration of where. Where things are in this

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world at this time in Westeros. And. And, you

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know, when a guy stood up and, you know, you know,

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we had our one fart joke. You got to have one

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every episode of Night, Night of Seven Kingdoms.

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But I really thought after that moment. And then,

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of course, you know, Baylor. Baylor was like, you

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know, off getting suited up because he, you know,

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Dunk made an impression, whenever they had that

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earlier conversation. So that when he came out

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there and, you know, chose. Chose to fight with.

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With Dunk, with. With the seven, it. It felt like

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an earned moment.

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>> Sarah : Was he shown in the stands listening to the

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speech?

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>> Will: No. I don't know.

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>> Sarah : Okay. No, I think his decision was definitely

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already made.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it

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was. It was.

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>> Will: Yeah. I mean. Yeah. I mean, I can't, Yeah. I was

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really surprised you didn't want to talk more

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about hearing this. I guess for me, what m. Really

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just cemented. That scene was like when I heard

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the. The Game of Thrones theme and. And all it

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just. It was just like, perfect. I mean, it was

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just. You couldn't craft it any better.

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>> Sarah : I don't know. It. At least for me, this is. This

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is. This may be sounding mean after all of that,

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and, But for me, it felt very copy and paste. And

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I just say that because I've heard speeches in

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these kind of shows and. And, And, movies like.

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It's very Brave Heart. It's Very Brave Heart. I. I

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watched Brave Heart as a lot. As a girl because it

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was one of my dad's favorite movies, but whatever.

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So. So it. It just. I. I don't know. I thought

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his. His acting was more interesting in the

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opening scenes. just because he. There's a lot

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more, The acting he did in the first two scenes

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was a lot about. More about listening.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And in that final moment, it was a lot more about.

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Here's a monologue. A really hefty monologue. And

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I agree. Like, I'm not saying that the actor isn't

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doing a good job. No, no, no. Do not get me wrong.

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He's. He's nailing it. but I also like the. The

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way this. I am glad it worked for you. That kind

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of scene. It. I don't know, it's just. I mean, I,

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I didn't. There's. There wasn't that many nuances

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that I could dig into or that stuck out while all.

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There were so many other nuances and, and

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different conversations that were happening. I'm.

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I'm very big with conversations.

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>> Will: Yeah, well, see, that's why it worked for me. To

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your point, the things that you just raised as far

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as the earlier scenes. So for me, I think it was

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like as. As I said stated before, it was building

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expectations. And, and, and so for it, to me,

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those earlier scenes laid the foundation and even,

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you know, even earlier scenes in, in the series

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itself. But, but in particular in this episode

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laid the foundation for, for that moment. So for

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me, that's. So it was. It wasn't just the moment.

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It was the totality of the. The episode. Yeah,

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yeah, just. Just to clarify. Yeah, yeah, but.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, but no, but like, I said other

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than that. I mean, that was just all really. I

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just really wanted to talk about that last, the

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last act of the episode because like I said, I

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think the payoff was just so, so rewarding for me

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as a viewer.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. all right, well, that brings

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us to Wonder Man. And, we've only watched the

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first four episodes and so we are able to talk

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about all four episodes. and I just want to start

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with an opening statement. Okay.

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>> Will: I.

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>> Sarah : And this is. This is kind of. Kind of goes into

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like my overall opinion about this show. I am so

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glad that Simon and Trevor are good actors. That's

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it. That's it. Will, what were you. I just. They

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are so. I like the idea that we are. We were. We

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are looking at two actors who are down on their

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luck, quote, unquote. they're not a list

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celebrities. One of them is getting fired from

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jobs. One of them get. Just got out of prison for

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a job. and the. Yet they. They are actually good.

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We see them in auditions, we see them talking

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about acting and they are good. And then you have

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these sequences and it's just. Oh, my God. There's

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one sequence in the second episode where they're

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just going back and forth like quote after quote.

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Yeah, Yaya. I, I've missed you. I have missed you

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on my screen because you are so good. And now

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you're paired with Ben Kingsley. Sir Ben Kingsley.

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It's just. Thank you mcu. Because I am the, the,

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the acting was just so well and these characters

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work so well with each other that I, I've been

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waiting, I, I, I've been waiting for something

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like this and I'm so glad it's here. but, but

477
00:29:23,611 --> 00:29:26,211
yeah, I'm just so glad they didn't make them bad

478
00:29:26,211 --> 00:29:29,531
actors. They made them actors who get in their own

479
00:29:29,531 --> 00:29:29,931
way.

480
00:29:30,731 --> 00:29:31,211
>> Will: Yeah.

481
00:29:31,851 --> 00:29:35,401
>> Sarah : And, and it's like their love of acting is, is

482
00:29:35,401 --> 00:29:39,521
almost their detriment and has put them into these

483
00:29:39,521 --> 00:29:42,921
situations. So on ah, that note, we'll take over.

484
00:29:43,641 --> 00:29:47,791
>> Will: Alrighty. So I, to me, this, the series, I felt

485
00:29:47,791 --> 00:29:53,071
like Kevin Feige and Seth Rogen sat down and they

486
00:29:53,071 --> 00:29:55,631
had at lunch and they said, you know what? Let's

487
00:29:55,631 --> 00:29:59,991
combine the Marvel Universe with the studio.

488
00:30:01,121 --> 00:30:02,321
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah.

489
00:30:03,361 --> 00:30:05,891
>> Will: Cause, it was just so meta. I mean it was just

490
00:30:05,891 --> 00:30:08,811
when I was watching this, I was like, I was

491
00:30:08,811 --> 00:30:11,851
enjoying it, but I couldn't help but like, with

492
00:30:11,851 --> 00:30:15,331
all the, all the name drops and everything else

493
00:30:15,331 --> 00:30:20,621
and it was just, it really was just giving off the

494
00:30:20,621 --> 00:30:23,621
studio vibes for me so, so much and I really

495
00:30:23,621 --> 00:30:27,391
enjoyed that show. but you know, you know, it, it

496
00:30:27,391 --> 00:30:29,871
worked. This series so far, at least the four

497
00:30:29,871 --> 00:30:32,681
episodes that we've watched, to the point, to this

498
00:30:32,681 --> 00:30:34,601
point, you know, it's, you know, it's under the,

499
00:30:34,601 --> 00:30:36,201
it's under the Marvel spotlight.

500
00:30:37,181 --> 00:30:39,581
>> Sarah : it's the best spotlight they've done so far.

501
00:30:40,061 --> 00:30:44,391
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, it is, it is. And and, and so I, I, I,

502
00:30:44,391 --> 00:30:47,351
I'm I'm kind of glad that, you know, yeah, there's

503
00:30:47,351 --> 00:30:50,241
some ref, you know, they're clearly in references

504
00:30:50,241 --> 00:30:53,831
to the, the main mcu, you know, obviously with the

505
00:30:53,831 --> 00:30:57,391
Mandarin and the whole Iron Man 3 and all, all

506
00:30:57,391 --> 00:31:00,621
that. But with the 3 or 2, I'm trying to dismiss

507
00:31:00,621 --> 00:31:04,821
it along, but, but, but yeah, I just really,

508
00:31:04,821 --> 00:31:07,781
really, yeah, really enjoyed it. And we were

509
00:31:07,781 --> 00:31:10,821
talking about the actors and, and, and, and you

510
00:31:10,821 --> 00:31:13,101
know, thinking about the episode too, when Joey

511
00:31:13,101 --> 00:31:13,541
pants.

512
00:31:14,221 --> 00:31:14,501
>> Sarah : Yeah.

513
00:31:14,501 --> 00:31:18,561
>> Will: Trevor. Yeah, and, and how insulted they, you

514
00:31:18,561 --> 00:31:23,851
know, they were when, you know, what, how, how,

515
00:31:23,851 --> 00:31:26,771
you know, how Joey Vance was like, treated,

516
00:31:26,771 --> 00:31:31,011
treated the profession and, and, and all. But, but

517
00:31:31,011 --> 00:31:35,601
just from this, just from the start too, how what

518
00:31:35,601 --> 00:31:40,481
I really, what I really liked was, how Simon, you

519
00:31:40,481 --> 00:31:43,641
know, he was doing all this like, all this prep

520
00:31:43,801 --> 00:31:46,641
for, you Know, he was a day player and doing all

521
00:31:46,641 --> 00:31:50,871
this prep and notes and trying to get to the get

522
00:31:50,871 --> 00:31:53,751
to the psyche of this character and, and then just

523
00:31:53,751 --> 00:31:55,751
sort of seeing things just sort of play out. And

524
00:31:55,751 --> 00:31:57,471
again, that's where I was. Like the studio vibes

525
00:31:57,471 --> 00:31:59,111
came in because it reminded me of like Matt Remick

526
00:31:59,111 --> 00:32:01,311
doing that kind of stuff, you know, being a

527
00:32:01,311 --> 00:32:03,031
producer. But then like I want to, I got all these

528
00:32:03,031 --> 00:32:05,931
notes I want to give it to, you know. Yeah. So I

529
00:32:05,931 --> 00:32:06,811
really like this show.

530
00:32:07,451 --> 00:32:12,511
>> Sarah : So, so you touched on early the idea that there,

531
00:32:12,751 --> 00:32:16,511
there, it's very meta, but it's also not

532
00:32:16,511 --> 00:32:20,111
necessarily MCU meta.

533
00:32:20,431 --> 00:32:20,831
>> Will: Right.

534
00:32:21,471 --> 00:32:24,591
>> Sarah : And, and, and I think that's why it works so well

535
00:32:25,311 --> 00:32:33,041
because it's, it's meta to the studio and to how

536
00:32:33,041 --> 00:32:38,121
Hollywood works. But the, the, in the, the

537
00:32:38,121 --> 00:32:43,801
references have maybe been 5% or less MCU related

538
00:32:44,041 --> 00:32:50,561
and like 90, 95% are actually about Hollywood in

539
00:32:50,561 --> 00:32:53,161
the way things work. Like my, one of my favorite

540
00:32:53,161 --> 00:32:58,191
lines from the Joey pants episode is yeah, yeah,

541
00:32:58,191 --> 00:33:00,471
if I was British they would have knighted me.

542
00:33:00,711 --> 00:33:01,271
>> Will: Yes.

543
00:33:01,991 --> 00:33:08,951
>> Sarah : I mean like, so it's so clever and, and just, just

544
00:33:09,111 --> 00:33:17,471
like. Yeah, yeah, okay. He has this ability. He's

545
00:33:17,471 --> 00:33:25,321
a big man. So the, the car scene, I just, I, I

546
00:33:25,321 --> 00:33:26,881
think the car should have been a little bit

547
00:33:26,881 --> 00:33:29,961
smaller. But it was, it was very funny to me to

548
00:33:29,961 --> 00:33:34,441
watch him park and then have to get all the way

549
00:33:34,441 --> 00:33:37,761
over into the passenger seat and then squeeze his

550
00:33:37,761 --> 00:33:42,241
way out of there. And, and like that's one

551
00:33:42,241 --> 00:33:47,411
instance of physical comedy. And yet constantly I

552
00:33:47,411 --> 00:33:52,531
feel as though we're watching him in these, trying

553
00:33:52,531 --> 00:33:56,051
to get the lines down. Not necessarily memorize,

554
00:33:56,051 --> 00:33:58,971
but trying to understand them so they become off

555
00:33:58,971 --> 00:34:03,691
as natural. That whole process that he has, it

556
00:34:03,691 --> 00:34:07,131
feels like you're watching a giant man trying to

557
00:34:07,131 --> 00:34:08,491
make himself smaller.

558
00:34:09,131 --> 00:34:09,611
>> Will: Yeah.

559
00:34:10,331 --> 00:34:14,401
>> Sarah : And it's funny. It's, it's, it's very funny. And

560
00:34:14,961 --> 00:34:20,571
he, he has this ability to to do humor. But it's

561
00:34:20,571 --> 00:34:25,211
not like slapstick either. It's very much not.

562
00:34:25,371 --> 00:34:30,931
And, and the way he bounces off of Trevor who

563
00:34:30,931 --> 00:34:34,531
honestly has more one liners. But even Ben

564
00:34:34,531 --> 00:34:37,651
Kingsley can't come off as like, and now I'm going

565
00:34:37,651 --> 00:34:40,171
to tell my joke. And here's the punchline. No,

566
00:34:40,171 --> 00:34:45,331
because they are just reacting to the world and

567
00:34:45,331 --> 00:34:50,051
these circumstances that they're put in. And, and

568
00:34:50,291 --> 00:34:54,231
like the again the, the whole, the self tape

569
00:34:54,231 --> 00:34:57,911
episode was just great because when that, when

570
00:34:57,911 --> 00:35:01,031
Marcy comes in and tries to do the off camera

571
00:35:01,031 --> 00:35:01,511
lines.

572
00:35:01,751 --> 00:35:02,151
>> Will: Yeah.

573
00:35:02,151 --> 00:35:06,371
>> Sarah : And they're both, they are both like, seriously?

574
00:35:06,931 --> 00:35:07,411
>> Will: Yeah.

575
00:35:09,411 --> 00:35:13,691
>> Sarah : Like, really? Why. Why are. But the. You know what

576
00:35:13,691 --> 00:35:17,491
the irony is there to go back to that opening

577
00:35:17,491 --> 00:35:20,331
sequence with Simon on the set of American Horror

578
00:35:20,331 --> 00:35:23,611
Story. He was kind of pulling a Marcy. Yeah, he

579
00:35:23,611 --> 00:35:24,691
was pulling one.

580
00:35:25,171 --> 00:35:25,731
>> Will: He was.

581
00:35:26,211 --> 00:35:34,161
>> Sarah : Yeah. So it's. It's, So. So I guess. What. What

582
00:35:34,161 --> 00:35:36,561
was your favorite episode out of these four?

583
00:35:36,881 --> 00:35:40,081
Because I know what my least favorite was.

584
00:35:42,001 --> 00:35:47,101
>> Will: So my. Interestingly enough, And I'd heard people

585
00:35:47,101 --> 00:35:52,061
talk about it, but I have to say, my m. The one

586
00:35:52,061 --> 00:35:59,281
that I really got locked in was Doorman. just

587
00:35:59,361 --> 00:36:03,361
because, you know, whatever. Whatever. Simon went

588
00:36:03,601 --> 00:36:08,231
to do the, To the one audition for. Audition, and,

589
00:36:08,231 --> 00:36:09,871
you know, they referenced the. You know, the

590
00:36:09,871 --> 00:36:14,321
doorman waiver and stuff. And. And I, was like,

591
00:36:14,671 --> 00:36:18,671
So. Yeah. So what. What's. What's it about, this

592
00:36:18,671 --> 00:36:21,351
doorman waiver? And, you know, of course, you

593
00:36:21,351 --> 00:36:23,231
know, it had the NDAs and all that kind of stuff

594
00:36:23,231 --> 00:36:28,421
too. But I think it. I mean, I liked all. You

595
00:36:28,421 --> 00:36:32,221
know, I think overall I liked all of the episodes,

596
00:36:32,301 --> 00:36:35,181
but it was something about Doorman. It was just,

597
00:36:35,881 --> 00:36:38,731
Simon, you know, shows up there at the end, but

598
00:36:38,731 --> 00:36:44,131
just to see the evil. Why this waiver happened and

599
00:36:44,131 --> 00:36:47,531
then. And also why the Department of Damage

600
00:36:47,531 --> 00:36:53,521
Control is, I guess, you know, to the larger. I

601
00:36:53,521 --> 00:36:55,761
guess to the larger Marvel universe or whatever.

602
00:36:56,401 --> 00:36:59,521
It does play back into that, because I think we

603
00:36:59,521 --> 00:37:02,471
saw that. That department and some of the, post,

604
00:37:03,711 --> 00:37:08,791
post endgame films and TV shows, just like, the

605
00:37:08,791 --> 00:37:12,751
exploration of, like, how this. How this affable

606
00:37:12,751 --> 00:37:17,711
guy just, randomly ended up, you know, taking the

607
00:37:17,711 --> 00:37:20,391
trash out, ends up with Powers and then all, you

608
00:37:20,391 --> 00:37:22,351
know, and Josh Gad and all, you know, it's just

609
00:37:22,751 --> 00:37:26,071
all the things that was going on there and then

610
00:37:26,071 --> 00:37:29,630
just the. It was like. It reminded me of, like,

611
00:37:29,630 --> 00:37:33,191
the old behind the music shows on VH1.

612
00:37:33,191 --> 00:37:33,551
>> Sarah : Yeah.

613
00:37:33,551 --> 00:37:36,831
>> Will: Where you had the rise and the fall of someone.

614
00:37:37,311 --> 00:37:40,111
>> Sarah : Yeah. They did that very well with Mario Lopez.

615
00:37:40,781 --> 00:37:41,981
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

616
00:37:43,021 --> 00:37:43,421
>> Sarah : I,

617
00:37:43,561 --> 00:37:45,711
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. So I think that's why that one really

618
00:37:45,711 --> 00:37:46,911
worked for me. Really worked.

619
00:37:46,911 --> 00:37:50,001
>> Sarah : Yeah. Ironically, this was my least favorite.

620
00:37:50,321 --> 00:37:50,881
>> Will: Yeah.

621
00:37:50,881 --> 00:37:53,521
>> Sarah : And. And that's not to say it's a bad episode.

622
00:37:53,521 --> 00:37:56,881
It's. It's a good episode because you. We needed a

623
00:37:56,881 --> 00:38:00,321
break from the main story, but at the same time,

624
00:38:00,481 --> 00:38:02,241
the whole time was like, oh, we're doing a

625
00:38:02,241 --> 00:38:04,321
flashback to this. Okay, that makes sense. We're

626
00:38:04,321 --> 00:38:06,601
gonna explore this because they've mentioned it

627
00:38:06,601 --> 00:38:10,731
now a few times. So, writing wise, it makes sense.

628
00:38:10,731 --> 00:38:13,411
But then it kept going and kept going And I was

629
00:38:13,411 --> 00:38:17,691
like, oh, this is the entire episode. Okay. But.

630
00:38:18,011 --> 00:38:22,321
And and it was fine. And like I said, I, I really

631
00:38:22,321 --> 00:38:25,441
adore this show. So me saying that was my least

632
00:38:25,441 --> 00:38:28,961
favorite is not saying that much at all. It just,

633
00:38:29,281 --> 00:38:32,841
it just was. And it's more or less the oddball in

634
00:38:32,841 --> 00:38:34,881
the fact that there were not a lot of scenes

635
00:38:34,881 --> 00:38:38,721
between Ben Kingsley and. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, I

636
00:38:38,721 --> 00:38:43,541
was like, okay. but I, I think that the, to your

637
00:38:43,541 --> 00:38:49,221
point, it, there was a dual purpose that doesn't

638
00:38:49,221 --> 00:38:52,341
immediately, you don't immediately understand as a

639
00:38:52,341 --> 00:38:54,261
viewer, but now that we're talking about, it's

640
00:38:54,261 --> 00:38:58,351
kind of been, highlighted for me is that it first

641
00:38:58,831 --> 00:39:05,361
serves a purpose of recognizing why Simon, views

642
00:39:05,361 --> 00:39:10,511
how he views his powers. especially when he, he's

643
00:39:10,511 --> 00:39:12,831
not, he's not someone with powers who wants to be

644
00:39:12,831 --> 00:39:14,951
a hero. He wants to be an actor.

645
00:39:15,431 --> 00:39:15,951
>> Will: Yeah.

646
00:39:15,951 --> 00:39:21,351
>> Sarah : And yet that very thing now, as a result of the

647
00:39:21,671 --> 00:39:26,691
whole Doorman saga is prohibited. it's not

648
00:39:26,691 --> 00:39:29,411
condoned and it puts him at risk and it's put him

649
00:39:29,411 --> 00:39:33,971
on a list now too. and then, and that's the flip

650
00:39:33,971 --> 00:39:38,611
side of it. It also explores more about what

651
00:39:38,611 --> 00:39:42,661
they've been hinting at in terms of the damage,

652
00:39:43,091 --> 00:39:47,051
control department in LA and their incentive to

653
00:39:47,131 --> 00:39:51,691
have more control over these, these super powered

654
00:39:51,691 --> 00:39:55,881
individuals. so I mean, we're dealing with la,

655
00:39:55,961 --> 00:40:00,681
we're dealing with Hollywood. So of course. And

656
00:40:00,681 --> 00:40:04,921
you know, the police protect those with money, so.

657
00:40:06,201 --> 00:40:10,521
They do, they do. So it's, it's, it's a very good

658
00:40:10,681 --> 00:40:14,211
thing. very well done. And that's the other thing,

659
00:40:14,991 --> 00:40:18,041
besides the acting that I could go hours and hours

660
00:40:18,041 --> 00:40:23,621
on about, but the, the writing. Yeah, they are

661
00:40:23,621 --> 00:40:27,301
doing a very similar thing to what we've been

662
00:40:27,301 --> 00:40:29,381
talking about for the last few weeks with A Knight

663
00:40:29,381 --> 00:40:34,821
of the Seven Kingdoms where there are lines that

664
00:40:35,221 --> 00:40:38,621
they, they don't like suddenly play music to make

665
00:40:38,621 --> 00:40:40,901
sure the viewer understands this is an important

666
00:40:41,141 --> 00:40:44,961
thing. No, there's just subtleness happening where

667
00:40:44,961 --> 00:40:48,601
there's little hint set stuff and, and so you have

668
00:40:48,601 --> 00:40:51,321
it in the back of your mind. But other, other

669
00:40:51,321 --> 00:40:55,201
hijinks ensue and before you know it we're, we're

670
00:40:55,201 --> 00:40:59,001
talking to Joey Pants and, and then you forget

671
00:40:59,001 --> 00:41:02,321
about it. And, and then the. But it's something

672
00:41:02,801 --> 00:41:05,921
that they are going to definitely bring up again

673
00:41:06,561 --> 00:41:10,981
because everything's important there. I don't

674
00:41:11,701 --> 00:41:14,781
grant it. Granted, it's a half hour show much like

675
00:41:14,781 --> 00:41:16,981
A Night of the Seven Kingdoms, so there's not a

676
00:41:16,981 --> 00:41:21,541
lot of time to fluff But I love this because

677
00:41:23,701 --> 00:41:27,781
everything's important. You're so. You have to pay

678
00:41:27,781 --> 00:41:31,561
attention. But at, the. Simultaneously, it's a

679
00:41:31,561 --> 00:41:36,001
very simple story, just like. And so that was the

680
00:41:36,001 --> 00:41:39,281
other big takeaway I had. I was like, wow. I, I

681
00:41:39,281 --> 00:41:41,521
can't wait for Will to watch this because, man,

682
00:41:41,521 --> 00:41:44,561
when he does. We did it again. We're watching two

683
00:41:44,561 --> 00:41:49,001
shows. Could be in very different universes, yet

684
00:41:49,001 --> 00:41:53,920
somehow they're doing the same thing for their

685
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,311
respective, universes. Very well.

686
00:41:58,871 --> 00:41:59,431
>> Will: Yeah.

687
00:41:59,591 --> 00:42:01,271
>> Sarah : And it's just so refreshing.

688
00:42:02,151 --> 00:42:05,471
>> Will: It really is. It really is. And. And the other. I

689
00:42:05,471 --> 00:42:09,051
think Doorman was my favorite, like I said. But

690
00:42:09,291 --> 00:42:12,171
the other episode, the third episode where they're

691
00:42:12,171 --> 00:42:16,641
in, Pacamonia, Passimonia. The, town, with the

692
00:42:16,641 --> 00:42:17,161
birthday party.

693
00:42:17,641 --> 00:42:19,761
>> Sarah : The. Cleveland with palm trees.

694
00:42:19,761 --> 00:42:21,841
>> Will: Cleveland. The Cleveland with palm trees. Yeah.

695
00:42:21,841 --> 00:42:24,641
And probably, I'm sure I'm mispronouncing the name

696
00:42:24,641 --> 00:42:27,321
of the town, but, you know, seeing Simon's family

697
00:42:27,321 --> 00:42:29,001
because, you know, we did get, you know, we, you

698
00:42:29,001 --> 00:42:31,361
know, early in the first episode, we, you know, we

699
00:42:31,361 --> 00:42:34,471
see the. And I like the way they use the

700
00:42:34,471 --> 00:42:36,391
flashbacks just to, like, frame things.

701
00:42:36,711 --> 00:42:37,271
>> Sarah : Yep.

702
00:42:37,431 --> 00:42:41,111
>> Will: And. And so, you know, we see him the. The B movie

703
00:42:41,111 --> 00:42:44,141
Wonder Man. just to sort of put, you know, just

704
00:42:44,141 --> 00:42:48,741
the whole framing of this is Simon, you know,

705
00:42:48,741 --> 00:42:50,501
sitting there with his dad eating popcorn and

706
00:42:50,501 --> 00:42:55,751
stuff. And then, And then we get the. This story

707
00:42:55,751 --> 00:42:58,911
about the. You know, the. We. We learn about the

708
00:42:58,911 --> 00:43:03,421
powers because he had the incident with the stove.

709
00:43:04,221 --> 00:43:07,501
And then. And then we see it with the fan, you

710
00:43:07,501 --> 00:43:10,261
know, the family and the brother and, you know,

711
00:43:10,261 --> 00:43:13,341
the dynamics between Simon and his. And his

712
00:43:13,341 --> 00:43:16,691
brother. and just the. And when are you going to

713
00:43:16,691 --> 00:43:18,851
get a real job? And, you know, just all the

714
00:43:19,011 --> 00:43:22,211
things. And he, you know, Simon bringing Trevor,

715
00:43:22,211 --> 00:43:24,251
you know, Trevor. Trevor got an invite to the

716
00:43:24,251 --> 00:43:28,841
cookout, you know, and. And. But, you know, the.

717
00:43:28,841 --> 00:43:34,251
The invite was. It was, You know, it was there to

718
00:43:34,251 --> 00:43:34,571
like.

719
00:43:34,811 --> 00:43:37,291
>> Sarah : Be kind of a. Yeah.

720
00:43:37,531 --> 00:43:40,371
>> Will: He was for. Well, both, you know, Trevor had his

721
00:43:40,371 --> 00:43:42,371
reason. Trevor had the damage control reasons. But

722
00:43:42,371 --> 00:43:44,811
also, you know, Simon had his reasons that he just

723
00:43:44,811 --> 00:43:46,731
needed a buffer because he was just trying to,

724
00:43:46,731 --> 00:43:48,971
like. Because he knew, you know, especially once

725
00:43:48,971 --> 00:43:50,891
we saw the. That he was getting from his brother,

726
00:43:51,401 --> 00:43:53,521
he didn't want the whole thing about the American

727
00:43:53,521 --> 00:43:55,681
Horror Story to, like, come out because his mom's,

728
00:43:55,681 --> 00:43:58,601
you know, mom's. Mom's excited and. And.

729
00:43:58,761 --> 00:43:59,161
>> Sarah : Right.

730
00:43:59,161 --> 00:44:01,921
>> Will: And all that. And. And yeah, so there was that.

731
00:44:01,921 --> 00:44:05,161
And it also just, you know, they really just, you

732
00:44:05,161 --> 00:44:07,561
know, went deep, went into the the fact that

733
00:44:07,561 --> 00:44:09,601
they're Haitian, they didn't try to hide it. You

734
00:44:09,601 --> 00:44:10,441
know, as far as their.

735
00:44:10,681 --> 00:44:15,351
>> Sarah : That's what I was gonna bring up. Like, I, I and I

736
00:44:15,351 --> 00:44:18,751
had captions on and so I really appreciated

737
00:44:18,751 --> 00:44:21,801
whenever they spoke in Haitian it would just say

738
00:44:21,801 --> 00:44:24,841
Haitian. So I don't know what they say.

739
00:44:24,841 --> 00:44:26,641
>> Will: Yeah, no, I got it too. It's a Haitian Creole.

740
00:44:26,641 --> 00:44:29,641
>> Sarah : I was like, okay, yeah, I was just like, damn it,

741
00:44:29,881 --> 00:44:33,081
I want to know what they're saying. But all of

742
00:44:33,081 --> 00:44:37,041
those, all of their responses now I don't. It was

743
00:44:37,041 --> 00:44:39,361
made very clear to me that Simon didn't

744
00:44:39,361 --> 00:44:41,681
necessarily want Trevor there. Even though. Yeah.

745
00:44:41,681 --> 00:44:46,121
He said after the whole idea was raised by, by

746
00:44:46,121 --> 00:44:48,801
Trevor to go, he was like, oh, you could be my

747
00:44:48,801 --> 00:44:54,121
buffer. But yeah. Simon also clearly didn't even

748
00:44:54,121 --> 00:44:59,241
understand how to utilize Trevor as a buffer. And

749
00:44:59,241 --> 00:45:02,121
that goes to something his mom brings up in the

750
00:45:02,121 --> 00:45:06,521
episode is this is the first time my son has ever

751
00:45:06,521 --> 00:45:13,281
brought a friend. And so I, the, I found it really

752
00:45:13,281 --> 00:45:17,691
interesting. I think they're doing a great job

753
00:45:17,691 --> 00:45:20,651
with just the exploration of who Simon is.

754
00:45:21,051 --> 00:45:21,531
>> Will: Yes.

755
00:45:21,931 --> 00:45:25,771
>> Sarah : Because we continue. Because it's an evolution.

756
00:45:25,931 --> 00:45:31,551
And his powers. We don't even necessarily see his

757
00:45:31,551 --> 00:45:36,271
powers until the second episode.

758
00:45:36,801 --> 00:45:41,791
>> Sarah : We see hints and we know but, but we don't see it.

759
00:45:41,791 --> 00:45:44,471
And it's just this evolution. And then the third

760
00:45:44,471 --> 00:45:49,271
episode opens with the 13 year old flashback not

761
00:45:49,271 --> 00:45:52,311
to the fire, but to the events after the fire.

762
00:45:52,711 --> 00:45:58,311
And, and which is kind of not just a very

763
00:45:58,311 --> 00:46:02,071
important moment for Simon, but as you can see,

764
00:46:02,231 --> 00:46:05,191
his relationship with his mom and his brother.

765
00:46:05,941 --> 00:46:06,221
>> Will: Yeah.

766
00:46:06,221 --> 00:46:10,301
>> Sarah : Because the resentment didn't start when they

767
00:46:10,301 --> 00:46:13,181
were, when they chose career paths. It started all

768
00:46:13,181 --> 00:46:18,421
the way back then. And, and then his mom continues

769
00:46:18,901 --> 00:46:27,661
as parents tend to do, we ignorant. And even if

770
00:46:27,661 --> 00:46:30,101
they know, they're like, I don't want to know, I

771
00:46:30,101 --> 00:46:36,991
just want my, and, and the, but the mom says I, I

772
00:46:36,991 --> 00:46:39,871
don't think that there was a scene between her and

773
00:46:39,871 --> 00:46:46,631
Simon that really stuck out as a great mom and son

774
00:46:46,631 --> 00:46:49,831
moment. And yet we still understand his

775
00:46:49,831 --> 00:46:53,311
relationship because of everything she tells

776
00:46:53,551 --> 00:47:00,511
Trevor. And so in that sense, from, from a viewer

777
00:47:00,511 --> 00:47:03,311
perspective, Trevor did a great job as a buffer.

778
00:47:04,111 --> 00:47:07,551
Yeah. Because. Because we learned so much about

779
00:47:07,551 --> 00:47:09,791
Simon through those conversations.

780
00:47:10,511 --> 00:47:14,150
>> Will: Yep, agreed. Yeah. That was, that was what I

781
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:16,311
really liked. That was another standout moment

782
00:47:16,311 --> 00:47:19,911
for, for me as well as far as really getting to

783
00:47:19,911 --> 00:47:22,561
know this character. through, through that

784
00:47:22,561 --> 00:47:26,491
conversation. And then, and then we, you know,

785
00:47:26,491 --> 00:47:30,211
the, the and then also just like you said, it was

786
00:47:30,211 --> 00:47:34,441
clear that the tension between Two. The two

787
00:47:34,441 --> 00:47:38,401
brothers was, was that didn't just start as adults

788
00:47:38,401 --> 00:47:41,451
then. And yeah, and this was sort of stand. Those,

789
00:47:41,451 --> 00:47:43,251
those family dynamics. I mean, it was just very,

790
00:47:43,251 --> 00:47:46,251
very, it was very, very authentic as far as like,

791
00:47:48,691 --> 00:47:52,401
you know, whenever, whenever Simon gave his mom

792
00:47:52,401 --> 00:47:54,481
the birthday present and you know, and then

793
00:47:54,561 --> 00:47:57,481
brother was just like, you know. Oh, yeah, yeah.

794
00:47:57,481 --> 00:47:59,921
Well, you know, you know, just all the things

795
00:47:59,921 --> 00:48:03,641
that, you know, felt came from that. And so. Yeah.

796
00:48:03,641 --> 00:48:07,821
But, yeah, so that, you know, that was a really

797
00:48:07,821 --> 00:48:10,101
strong moment for this. I mean, it really is just

798
00:48:10,101 --> 00:48:13,901
like, you know, Marvel, it really. I just feel

799
00:48:13,901 --> 00:48:17,531
like. I know it took us. We didn't watch this

800
00:48:17,531 --> 00:48:19,691
first because we were finishing up Fallout, but,

801
00:48:20,161 --> 00:48:26,381
but I, you know, Marvel, Disney did undersold this

802
00:48:26,621 --> 00:48:28,421
series. I don't know if they didn't know how to

803
00:48:28,421 --> 00:48:32,541
market it or where, where the failing was. I mean,

804
00:48:32,541 --> 00:48:34,381
I mean, we just saw yesterday with the super bowl

805
00:48:34,381 --> 00:48:37,261
how difficult it can be with marketing things,

806
00:48:37,551 --> 00:48:42,751
with Mando. But, but I feel like I, I did. I've

807
00:48:42,751 --> 00:48:44,471
been pleasantly surprised because I really didn't

808
00:48:44,471 --> 00:48:47,551
have any expectations going into this show at all.

809
00:48:47,551 --> 00:48:51,151
I mean, I don't know hardly anything about this

810
00:48:51,151 --> 00:48:53,951
character as far as from the comics. and I mean, I

811
00:48:53,951 --> 00:48:56,351
know they did a race swap and stuff, but, but be.

812
00:48:56,351 --> 00:49:00,231
But as far as beyond that, I really don't know

813
00:49:00,231 --> 00:49:04,391
anything about Simon Williams. So I have been very

814
00:49:04,391 --> 00:49:07,151
pleasantly surprised by this series so far. And

815
00:49:07,151 --> 00:49:09,151
I'm hoping that definitely, you know, with the

816
00:49:09,151 --> 00:49:11,611
next four episodes, it, you know, it, it sticks to

817
00:49:11,611 --> 00:49:15,401
landing because, is really good and I'm hopeful,

818
00:49:16,041 --> 00:49:18,201
you know, if it does indeed stick to landing. I'm

819
00:49:18,201 --> 00:49:19,961
hoping we'll see this character show up in some

820
00:49:19,961 --> 00:49:25,081
other either season two spotlight shows or in,

821
00:49:25,081 --> 00:49:29,601
into larger universe. But, but keeping, but

822
00:49:29,601 --> 00:49:32,401
hopefully keeping the, keeping what we've gotten

823
00:49:32,401 --> 00:49:34,601
of this character so far if he does like show up

824
00:49:34,601 --> 00:49:35,641
in a larger mcu.

825
00:49:37,171 --> 00:49:41,571
>> Sarah : So I need a episode to explain the Porter potty

826
00:49:41,571 --> 00:49:44,841
explosion that happened on the set of the Rookie M

827
00:49:45,491 --> 00:49:48,971
mentioned. I, I took note of that. I, I need more

828
00:49:48,971 --> 00:49:53,911
details and understanding. classic Trevor line was

829
00:49:54,151 --> 00:49:56,631
then I took a role to pose as a terrorist.

830
00:49:56,631 --> 00:49:59,591
Terrorist to pay for my drug and prostitution

831
00:49:59,591 --> 00:50:00,151
debts.

832
00:50:00,391 --> 00:50:02,031
>> Will: Yeah, that's another great line.

833
00:50:02,031 --> 00:50:07,541
>> Sarah : Get explicit. Thank you, mommy, for loving me.

834
00:50:07,701 --> 00:50:12,661
Great line. And, and just the whole, whole aspect

835
00:50:12,741 --> 00:50:17,711
of, a mother who again. And, and she even calls

836
00:50:17,711 --> 00:50:21,511
herself out on it. She's like, I, I, I didn't

837
00:50:21,511 --> 00:50:26,231
realize how alone he was and that he felt it. And

838
00:50:26,791 --> 00:50:30,271
oh, it's just that was such a good moment. Very,

839
00:50:30,581 --> 00:50:33,351
well acted. and then that later on in that

840
00:50:33,351 --> 00:50:35,831
episode, you get the. Maybe it's time to admit

841
00:50:35,831 --> 00:50:38,111
that it's never going to be me. I'm no wonder,

842
00:50:38,111 --> 00:50:41,461
man. yeah, okay.

843
00:50:41,461 --> 00:50:42,061
>> Will: But also.

844
00:50:42,061 --> 00:50:45,021
>> Sarah : Yeah, wait, I got more. Will, I got more.

845
00:50:45,341 --> 00:50:46,701
>> Will: Okay, okay, go ahead, go ahead.

846
00:50:46,701 --> 00:50:49,421
>> Sarah : Here you go. Here you go. I'm sorry. I forgot

847
00:50:49,421 --> 00:50:54,031
about this one. How could I forget? I'm here. Code

848
00:50:54,031 --> 00:50:55,031
switching and everything.

849
00:50:55,831 --> 00:50:59,031
>> Will: Oh, yes. Yeah.

850
00:51:01,351 --> 00:51:04,551
>> Sarah : That's so good. I already said the. Trevor pants

851
00:51:04,551 --> 00:51:07,671
the. It's the single most consequential thing

852
00:51:07,671 --> 00:51:13,511
anyone could do with their life. It's so

853
00:51:13,511 --> 00:51:19,821
important. It's so important. Oh, my God. just.

854
00:51:19,821 --> 00:51:24,981
Oh. Oh. This is a classic Vaughn Kovac one Human

855
00:51:24,981 --> 00:51:28,181
and Spectacular. And that's where this film needs

856
00:51:28,181 --> 00:51:33,141
to live. Human and spectacular. Spectacle should

857
00:51:33,141 --> 00:51:37,451
be spectacle. Just say, shout out. I. I'm.

858
00:51:37,691 --> 00:51:41,571
Hopefully we see musical.

859
00:51:41,571 --> 00:51:45,341
>> Will: Yeah, but, yeah, ah, one. One doorman that, was

860
00:51:45,341 --> 00:51:48,141
Josh Gad. And it's like I can't act and it's never

861
00:51:48,141 --> 00:51:49,581
stopped me from being an actor.

862
00:51:49,661 --> 00:51:51,941
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. Yep, yep.

863
00:51:51,941 --> 00:51:52,541
>> Will: Yeah.

864
00:51:55,041 --> 00:51:59,241
>> Sarah : Go through me. Go through me. Yeah, I think he's

865
00:51:59,241 --> 00:52:03,391
saying to go through him. Yeah, yeah. it's just

866
00:52:03,471 --> 00:52:06,381
the. The writing. The writing. some point. The

867
00:52:06,381 --> 00:52:09,621
acting's on point. And so far, within the first

868
00:52:09,621 --> 00:52:14,861
half of the season, it's consistent. And he. Based

869
00:52:14,861 --> 00:52:17,581
on our previous conversations about A Night of the

870
00:52:17,581 --> 00:52:20,941
Seven Kingdoms and other shows, when we use that

871
00:52:20,941 --> 00:52:23,701
term in relation to a show, it's a good thing.

872
00:52:24,181 --> 00:52:31,381
It's what we want. because some seasons of TV have

873
00:52:31,381 --> 00:52:34,301
great episodes and that's all people think about.

874
00:52:34,711 --> 00:52:37,511
But then you look at the full length of the season

875
00:52:37,831 --> 00:52:42,351
and it's like, yeah, but that was one of seven. So

876
00:52:42,351 --> 00:52:46,151
when you can have consistency, that's a strong

877
00:52:46,311 --> 00:52:47,591
season of television.

878
00:52:48,151 --> 00:52:50,231
>> Will: Indeed it is. It really is.

879
00:52:51,191 --> 00:52:53,241
>> Sarah : Well, on, that note, Will, why don't you tell our

880
00:52:53,241 --> 00:52:54,721
listeners where they can find you?

881
00:52:55,521 --> 00:52:57,711
>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at,

882
00:52:57,691 --> 00:53:01,951
WillImpolk WIO L M P O L K. And you.

883
00:53:01,951 --> 00:53:05,271
>> Sarah : Can find me there too, at SJ Belmont sjblmon M T.

884
00:53:05,351 --> 00:53:08,911
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