A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms 1x02 & Fallout 2x06 Review

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>> Sarah : Foreign. Nerds. This is Seen the Nerd. I'm your

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host, Sarah Belmont and with me as always is our

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Mr. Producer will Will Polk Carry doing tonight.

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Will.

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. Happy potiversary.

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>> Sarah : I Happy podiversary. Is it really eight years? For

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some reason I think I thought we were like at

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nine.

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>> Will: We are. Yeah. The start of our ninth year

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together. Yeah, yeah. We just completed year eight

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and start of year none.

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>> Sarah : Wow. Interesting. Interesting. yeah, it's, it's,

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it's ah, it's. We've covered so much. I feel like

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we, we're already at like the 10 year point.

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>> Will: It does, it does. I know. I was thinking it's like

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we started out with the Arrowverse and know we had

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a lot of folks who, who joined on our venture then

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and many of them are still around and, and we

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appreciate you all, but also all the new folks who

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have, who have come on the CNR train with our

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coverage of everything from Paradise. Of course

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now my Star Trek stuff, and Marvel, you know, we

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continue to. With the Marvel and DC and comic book

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shows, but also I know we've you know, dipped your

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toe into prestige television. And so yeah, I mean

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we, we have something for everyone. So sort of

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like. So whatever season, if you're not, if you

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don't feel us on the Prestige stuff, you can

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always come back for the Marvel stuff.

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>> Sarah : Which we will be cover covering Wonder Man. We're

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gonna do one or two episodes weekly. we know

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they're releasing it all at once, but we're, we're

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gonna stretch it.

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>> Will: Yeah, I think, I think our plan was what 4 and 4

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depend. Because I know we got paradise coming up

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next week as well.

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>> Sarah : I think it's 4 and 4. But, but anyways, we, you

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will, you will. We've figured it out. We just

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don't have the schedule in front of us and we

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weren't intending to talk about the schedule on

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this occasion. But we are here instead to talk

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about fallout episode season two, episode six, the

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other player. the tagline from IMDb is I remember

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good people. So I am going to continue to be such

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a broken record about this show and I'm sorry, I'm

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sorry, but I. For me, this episode just continues

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to prove the point that these. This was arguably

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the most choppy I, I've seen it this season. But

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it didn't feel like a complete episode. I felt

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like we were really. There is a really strong

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episode in here and that's featuring Barb. But

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then all. Every Time we jump back to the present

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day stuff. We're checking in on the ghoul, we're

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checking in on Lucy, we're checking in on Maximus.

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Out of nowhere, we're checking in on vault 30.

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That one really comes out of nowhere when you go

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back in the vault and you're just like, okay, so

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it just. In comparison specifically to last week,

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this really felt like a bunch of check ins while

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trying to move along this, this past idea of who

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really is to blame for, for the nuclear bombing.

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Like who was the catalyst. And at the end of the

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day, as a viewer, I will tell you, I don't care.

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I, I don't really care about who is behind it. I

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care more about understanding what happened to his

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wife and daughter. So I, I do see to an extent how

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through the writing what they've done is they've

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kind of counter packaged those mysteries where

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they, they really want that to be an important. In

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the past it to be really important to Cooper like

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that his wife isn't involved or like he gets his

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he, he is the good person and, and he knows who

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the bad people are. But, but, and then in the

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present it is all about like the motivation of

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trying to reunite with his family even after 200

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years. so, so I mean overall, like, I've only said

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this for majority of these episodes, but this is

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like the pinnacle of example of what I mean by. I

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feel like they have a lot of good stories going

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on, but for some reason they feel like they have

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to check in on each one of them every episode. And

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like I missed Maximus last week. So when we got to

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Maximus in this episode, I was like, wait, wait,

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wait, wait. We're just. This is just to check in

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with Thaddeus and Maximus so we can see how they

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end up reuniting with the ghoul. Really. That's,

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that's. There was so much going for the

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Brotherhood storyline and I feel like we just put

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it on pause and, and have now checked in on it.

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But, those are kind of my overall thoughts about

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this episode. Will, what about you?

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>> Will: Yeah, I'm in the same place. I, even as I was

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writing just my notes for, for tonight, right

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before we was, we were started here, I had, you

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know, I felt it was a solid episode. But I do also

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agree with you that there were just, there were

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bridge stories within. And I won't call. I mean I

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don't, I won't go as far. I mean you could, if you

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wanted to be like harsh, you could Say fluff. It's

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like the Vault stories. but I think it's. I think

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your, I think your point is better that they were

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more check in because it was like, you know, you

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said it perfectly about the, with Maximus and that

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and, Thaddeus and, And so I won't, I won't repeat

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that. But also, I think with the stories in, in

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the Vault, you know, we did, you know, for

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example, we, we, we learned that Woody is missing.

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And I was like. And so, yeah, I guess Woody's back

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at Lumon. But, but no, seriously though, he, he,

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you know, you know, they, they were picking up on

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the line because he had confronted Stephen about

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her, you know, the secret meeting that she was

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having with the Vault 31 overseer. And, and then

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we also did get to check in with. Speaking of the

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Vault 31, we get to check in with, Reg and the,

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the inbreds and the whole, support group and the

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snack budget and all, you know, all the things

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there. And of course they, they had really good

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tension there because you're starting to see even

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though they're having to ration the water in the,

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In. In the Vault because the, the filtration

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system or whatever is broken. they were, you know,

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they were. He was like, well, you know, screw

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that. We're still going to have our party. Even

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though the Volt overseer is like, no, you're

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having all these salty snacks. You're going to

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drink up all the water. So, so, so that, that and

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also Chet and, and Steph's like, shotgun wedding,

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all of those things. There's a lot of story there,

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but I felt like it gets short shrift because it

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truly is just a check in and doesn't get fully

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developed.

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>> Sarah : And also you paid way more attention than I did to

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what was going on because all my notes were about

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what happened in vault 33. was uranium fever and

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the whole interaction about this, support group.

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And I like how they led with, your snack budget

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has been revoked. And oh yeah, your, Your whole

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club is now suspended as well. And it also, it's.

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I think why it stuck out to me was the whole intro

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was this Uranium fever song and dance bit where

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it, it truly does feel like they are losing their

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minds due to the, the reduction in resources. But

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again, it's. We. We've. Over the years, we've

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covered a lot of shows that have had. I mean, to

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go back to where it all began with the Arrowverse.

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Those shows constantly had an A B And C. And one

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of our. Some of our biggest critiques of them was

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that the C story line felt too much like out of

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left field. It didn't mingle. And. And then you

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have separate characters. And in this show, to an

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extent, they're all interwoven because, I mean, a

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lot of it is overall world building. But I. I

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don't know. I. A part of me wants, like, the Vault

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stuff to have, be able to carry its own episode.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : But a part of me also has no care about what's

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going on in the Vaults. I mean, Lucy, who arguably

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is our central character, our main lead, she's not

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in the Vault, and. And neither is her brother.

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Now, when. When her brother was in the Vault, we,

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like, Norm was there. I could understand because

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of the whole father situation with Hank, but now

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that even Norm is out of the vaults, it's like,

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okay, you really need to make some hard pitches

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about why we should care about those people. And.

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And I also think, like, they could have easily put

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the Vault stuff aside and been. And been like,

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we'll. We'll return to the vaults in a later

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season. I don't know why it had to be in this

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season. Granted, we're. We're not at the finish

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line yet, so all shall be revealed.

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>> Will: Yeah, we do have two more episodes, but. Yeah, but

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I feel the same with the. With the Vault stuff,

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because, again, yeah, I mean, I guess it is. It is

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the AB A to B and C and D story, because to your

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point, yeah, Norm is out of the vaults. It is an

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extension of the Vault storyline. I mean, they're

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all. They All. Everything flows from the Vault

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stories. But. But the. The stories that are going

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on in the Vault right now are. You know, they're.

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There are really removed from what we're seeing

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happening in Vegas. What we're seeing happening,

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with. With Thaddeus and Maximus, you know, so it

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does feel like it could be tabled for. For another

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season.

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>> Sarah : Or it is.

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>> Will: Or rap. Or have a. Or. Or really just. If you're

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going to. If you're going to do it, just go ahead

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and just spend a net. Spend one of your eight

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episodes with that storyline.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Arguably, all of these storylines could have

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their own episode, and we could be at episode five

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or six right now and been like, okay, so. So now

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we're gonna get into part of the season where

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things. People start to meet up and Thaddeus is

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now paired with the ghoul. And. And. And so. But

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what. But what I was gonna add in there is. I. I

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did. And again, this is why my first note is

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uranium Fever is because in this episode we also

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check in with Hank as Lucy wakes up and her new

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surroundings. in this very eerie Pleasantville

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esque. Where these people are now basically

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sweatshop workers.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : With their mind control device. But they're

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singing and they're happy. It was very

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Pleasantville. And. And so I, A, Part of me is

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just mad at this episode because they should have

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gone full musical. We every. Every storyline

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should have had the musical cue because you

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already had one with the sweatshop workers and

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then you practically had one at a Fever Dream.

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show tune segment in. In the Vault. So I. I think

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maybe that's where my. My real frustration comes

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from is that they. They failed to commit to a full

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musical episode.

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>> Will: That would have been. That would have been a very

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interesting episode. Yeah. I mean, I'm there with

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you. Yeah. I would love to see Cal McLaughlin on,

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you know, singing the auto. With the auto tune. I

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mean, that would be.

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>> Sarah : I mean, you give. You give the ghoul a ballad as

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he tries to get himself out of the, the stick and

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he winds up with a hole. I mean, he could have

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done a whole. To call back to one of my favorite

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movies ever. Chicago. Mr. Cello fame. I'm, Mr.

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Cella fame. You can. Yeah, yeah. Trust me, guys.

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I. I know that inside and out because I had the CD

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as a kid and I. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I. I did

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also see it on Broadway, but I saw the movie

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first, so I just. I think. And. And it being set

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in Vegas predominantly come, on y'. All. We. We

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should have had a Barb solid episode. I also think

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that m. They could have committed to a full

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episode in the past. Between what was going on in

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the past last week and this week with Barb, you

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could have had an episode either. Either this

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episode or last week's episode been like. Like

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half of it was Hank and half of it was Barb. So

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you see both perspectives and. And none of this

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jumping back to the present. I think. I think

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that's also what's causing a lot of this

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stretching is if we see Ghoul in the past as

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Cooper, maybe we don't check in on him. in the

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present. I mean, but. But it was kind of. I did

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like to hear Ron, Perlman's voice as the other

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mutant and just like, yeah, uranium and all of

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this stuff. I. It's just. There's a lot of missed

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opportunities, Will.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. Well, I will say, you know, with. With

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speaking since we are talking about the Ghoul and

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then we'll. And then we can. We will then go back

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to the past and stay in the past with. With Barman

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and. And Cooper, but with Ghoul and. And the Super

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Mutant. Ron Perlman. I did like. I. I did like

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that story because one. It again, to your point

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about how it would have been great to have. Have a

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little at the Ghoul, like break out in the song.

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his Whenever he. It was very poignant to me in a

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sense when he was impelled there and was trying to

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scooch himself up that pole and he. I think this

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first time in. Think since In the two seasons that

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we've actually heard the Ghoul refer to his former

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self as far as in name Cooper Howard and. And how

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he. And you know, because we've heard how. How he

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is like his mission is to find his family. But I

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was really the top, you know, that was like him

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like all you know, pulling whatever of. Of Cooper

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it is left in him, you know, to the forefront and.

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And as motivation to get himself off that. Off

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that pole. and. And so, you know, especially

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before he went completely feral because that's why

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he has to take the drugs. So I really like that.

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That moment in that scene and then you know, once.

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know, and basically essentially try to recruit him

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to the. You know, we're. You know, they call us

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all abominations. So, you know. So again to your

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point about world building, it definitely laid

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the. Laid the. Laid the foundation for I guess,

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you know, whatever. Whatever. Either something

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that's going to happen at the end of this season

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or in future seasons as far as all these various

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factions and. And the now united, you know, the.

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against whatever. You know, whatever this coal

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fusion thing is because clearly it's. It is a

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through line that we have seen now between seasons

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one and two and. And it's very, very important

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because even the brotherhood was like fight.

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Fighting for this device.

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>> Sarah : Oh, well, I see. I wouldn't say groundwork because

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factions since day one and. And how so them coming

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together, I don't know because the Ghoul, it

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wasn't necessarily two factions coming together or

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that prep. It was just acknowledgment that there's

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even these super Mutants and they're a faction.

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the ghoul is a part of that. But. Yeah, but he

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kind of has a foot in both worlds because as you

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put it, like in this episode, he also refers to

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himself, by his namesake and his human identity.

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And so he. And he's still motivated. Because what

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I took away from it was. I'll be honest, I didn't

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really even hear him say his name, but I heard him

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say like, she's still alive. Like this idea that

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with Hank and everything that happened last week,

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he's slowly getting re. Motivated that there's a

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possibility that he can be reunited with not only

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potentially his daughter, but his wife as well.

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And, and so that allows him to be. That's a very

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human emotion. So he retains humanity through that

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even though, outwardly he. And for the past 200

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years he has been in, been turned into an

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abomination through the events of the nuclear

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bombing. And to go back into the past, which they

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cut to. And, And I also like the whole motivation

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when. With his daughter being alive because that's

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the central debate that occurs between Barb and

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Cooper in this episode is the, the very much what,

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what is now and will be moving forward. The last

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of us debate.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Saving. Saving the people you love versus by

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killing others. Is that justifiable? And, and what

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does that make you if you're willing to kill

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others just to protect the people? Like you're

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putting one human life above the others. So it

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was, And, and, and it's, and it's a very

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interesting debate. Like we've seen. It's. There's

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a reason why shows go into that, and really

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explore that because there's never a right answer

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and there's. It's so great. And thankfully most m

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of us can just sit back and be like, well, that's

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not my reality. So I'm gonna, I'm just gonna live

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my reality. I don't wanna. I'm not gonna dwell on

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that because that ain't happening right now. So I

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don't know. I'm not gonna make any choices. But.

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Yeah. What were some of your thoughts about the,

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the past with Barb?

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I liked how you, you

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framed it as the last of us debate. because it, it

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truly was that, that dynamic going on there. you

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know, because Coop especially we, we do get the,

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you know, whenever the episode starts, we, you

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know, we get the flashbacks and then we end up

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with you Know, with cooperation, you know, riding

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the mechanical bull. Very, very, Dr. Strangelove

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inspired visuals there. especially when you do

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also cut into this scene where this, this episode

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too, where they, you know, will zig. You know, we

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get a flashback as far as learning that Wilzig was

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the one that gave Barb the directive to get all

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the people in the. In the. The titans of industry

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in that room. And. And again, another Dr.

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Strangelove reference straight up from that movie.

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and so, yeah, so I, I really like that. And then,

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you know, and it, you know, becomes the question,

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who is. You know, you know, we. We. To our. Was.

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We were just talking about Cooper earlier. It's

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like, you know, who's the monster? Because, you

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know, now he is, you know, he looks very monstrous

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and stuff for. But Barb is also put into that

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place. Now back in the past where is. Is she a

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monster for basically roll. You know, being the

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person who like, gets the human race destroyed or

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for, you know, or sets off to war. Well, obviously

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people around or, Or. Or is she. Or is she just a

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pawn in. In a. In a larger. Larger game?

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I think. I think what struck me was we. We

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thought we understood when this whole interaction

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was occurring. but. So it caught me off guard in a

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good way when, she has that scene with. With Hank.

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Right? Is it Hank? no, no, no. Sig. Sig. Wilzig.

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When. When. When she has that scene. Because after

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that scene, and I'll return to in a minute, but

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after that scene, she then goes into the war room

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and we see her say what. What we heard her say in

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a flashback in the first season. And like, okay,

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we'll drop the bomb. So by them doing that and

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that whole exchange, she's totally upon. Because

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she's now been pushed and blackmailed. It's as if

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they found the weakness and then they. They. They

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twisted the knife and made it into like. Okay,

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we're gonna have her say that. Because they

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probably also already knew that Cooper was

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listening. So. So there it was. I don't. At this

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point, I don't think anything that Cooper has

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learned is by accident.

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>> Will: No, no.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. So. So. And in that elevator where we.

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We see Will Zig appear again, he says, you're just

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a very replaceable part in this machine, but if

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you forget your place in this company, you will

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die and so will your family. The leaders of the

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most powerful corporations will gather here and

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you will tell them the only way to guarantee

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results is by dropping the bomb ourselves,

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themselves. So. And this alludes to what the. What

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the title of the episode is. And that's the other

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player.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Now, lead. Going into this episode, I would.

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Because they hinted at another player in last

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week's episode. House did.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : And so I. I thought for sure we get answers. So

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again, I was disappointed when I'm like, oh, we're

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just kidding. Continuing this illusion that

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there's another player. but, yeah, so I, I thought

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it was a very smart thing because I thought that

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that had already happened, but we. We weren't

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there. So now, as a viewer, it's important to keep

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in your mind when we do go to the bathroom pass,

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we're not being told these flashbacks in

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chronological order.

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>> Will: That's. That. Yep.

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>> Sarah : Which. That never dawned on me before this

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episode.

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>> Will: Same, same. And it did. Not for me either. And.

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And whenever we got that, I was like, Okay. And.

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Yeah, this. This is where the episode was. Very

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solid.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, exactly.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I. I mean, yeah, there. There are definitely some.

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Some high highlights of this episode.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : But there. The. Every time we'd go back into the

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present, I'd be like, really?

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Or. And it's not just the present, because I

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thought Lucy and confronting, her dad, that was

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pretty good. I've already talked about the. The

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almost musical is scenes that played out in the

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present. but it. It just. I do think that it

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becomes choppy when you're doing too much. when

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you. When you're, almost forcing us to see

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characters in these episodes. I. And. But then

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again, I don't know what's ahead because we got

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two more episodes and. And now that Thaddeus,

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Thaddeus Maximus and, the ghoul are together, and

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we know that Maximus has this idea to propose to

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Lucy with. I'm just joking. with the, What. What

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does he have Again, it's that.

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>> Will: It's that same cold fusion man. That's another.

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>> Sarah : Fusion. Yes.

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>> Will: Yeah. Because, you know, it's that same little.

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That. That cold fusion capsule. And then, you

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know, we also saw. Speaking of Hank, just real

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quickly go back to the past, just for just a brief

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moment. we. We see Barb extract that same cold

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fusion capsule from Hank out of his neck, as the

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whole thing is holding around the briefcase. and

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it was just a thing to extract it. And then also

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tying it to. To Wilik in. In the first season. You

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know, they. They also, you know, that. That. And

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to bring it back to. To Thaddeus and Maximus the

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cold fusion that's that. That they, have, if I

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recall. I think that was the. No, no. Hank took

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the cold fusion from Wick's head. Right. Because

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that was in Wilk's head that. Lucy.

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>> Sarah : I. I don't remember. I do.

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>> Will: I'm trying to remember. I'm trying to remember if

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the one that. That Maximus has, that came out of

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Wilzig or the one that Hank has now is the one.

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But. But the bottom line is there. And listeners,

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if you. If you recall, you know, let drop in on

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the comment here on YouTube or. Or if you're

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listening on audio, just make a comment on our

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socials. I can't remember which. But the bot. What

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I, What I bring that all up is just like that.

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Again, to my earlier point this evening about how

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the cold fusion is. Is a very big MacGuffin for

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motiv as far as this show. And, and also to who.

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Who the other player potentially is, which seems

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to be, at this point, seems part of the answer is

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the enclave. I don't know if it's Mala or not,

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because, I mean, she was around in the past, but

483
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,370
she also somehow stuck around to the future. so

484
00:29:30,690 --> 00:29:33,730
maybe she's the one that's been the. The. The. The

485
00:29:33,810 --> 00:29:37,320
puppet, master pulling all these strings all this

486
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:37,640
time.

487
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:45,600
>> Sarah : Yeah. All right, well, that brings us to a Night

488
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:50,120
of the Seven Kingdoms, episode two, the hard salt

489
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,080
beef. the summer IMDb summary says the Dunk

490
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,360
appeals to various. Sorry. Dunk appeals to various

491
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,800
lords in order to gain entrance into the

492
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,400
tournament. Okay, so right here, I'm gonna stop

493
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,400
it. They should have used the word tourney. Okay.

494
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:07,960
Yeah, and they should have put, like, little

495
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,520
accent about it because I love the way they say

496
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:11,680
tourney in this show.

497
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:12,640
>> Will: Yeah.

498
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,040
>> Sarah : So to gain entrance into the tournament. But Egg

499
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,690
advises him to hold it, onto his pride. When the

500
00:30:18,690 --> 00:30:22,460
Targaryens arrive in at Ashford, Dunk seizes the

501
00:30:22,460 --> 00:30:24,180
moment with Prince Baylor.

502
00:30:26,510 --> 00:30:29,870
>> Sarah : I love this episode. I really did. I was engaged

503
00:30:29,950 --> 00:30:35,050
full time. I thought. I really enjoyed it just

504
00:30:35,050 --> 00:30:40,450
because everything that I liked about this show in

505
00:30:40,450 --> 00:30:46,100
the pilot episode, it just became magnified. I. I

506
00:30:46,100 --> 00:30:50,380
felt like it wasn't about setting up. It was. It

507
00:30:50,380 --> 00:30:55,980
was more about us really understanding who Dunk

508
00:30:55,980 --> 00:31:00,500
is. And they did it in a very clever way because

509
00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:07,460
they. They continued with the. Him telling stories

510
00:31:07,540 --> 00:31:12,920
about his mentor, sir. Sir Arland. But it wasn't

511
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:19,380
the childish memory. Memories. and I say childish

512
00:31:19,380 --> 00:31:22,210
just because of how they. How they, spoke about

513
00:31:22,210 --> 00:31:25,810
those. About the past beatings and everything for.

514
00:31:25,810 --> 00:31:30,170
For a Comedic effect. But this was told much more

515
00:31:30,170 --> 00:31:37,020
reminiscent of a, of a loved one. And, and I, I

516
00:31:37,020 --> 00:31:40,700
really appreciated the storytelling in terms of

517
00:31:41,260 --> 00:31:45,020
opening it up with the monologue. I, I, I do want

518
00:31:45,020 --> 00:31:49,980
to say we have now seen someone and piss in the

519
00:31:49,980 --> 00:31:52,460
beginning of each of these episodes. No more.

520
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:56,140
Let's, let's not continue this. Can we, can we

521
00:31:56,140 --> 00:31:59,430
stop it now? I, I will be deducting points if they

522
00:31:59,430 --> 00:32:04,420
continue because I don't need to see it. I don't,

523
00:32:05,460 --> 00:32:07,140
I don't need to see it at all.

524
00:32:08,260 --> 00:32:11,470
>> Will: Yeah, I think that's going to be the, yeah, you,

525
00:32:11,870 --> 00:32:15,270
well, maybe that's just a framing element that

526
00:32:15,270 --> 00:32:19,630
they do where we just start with not necessary a

527
00:32:19,630 --> 00:32:22,430
day, A day in the life of Dunk. where we, we see

528
00:32:22,430 --> 00:32:25,510
his. Yeah, we, we see some, something like this

529
00:32:25,510 --> 00:32:25,830
happen.

530
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:28,940
>> Sarah : But, because we didn't even see it to Dunk. We saw

531
00:32:28,940 --> 00:32:32,860
it to Sir Arin. Did not need to. Did not need to.

532
00:32:33,180 --> 00:32:36,300
And, and, and, and I know without a doubt I'm

533
00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:39,740
going to say this now because I, I know for sure

534
00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:42,940
they are not going to do that with egg. We don't

535
00:32:42,940 --> 00:32:48,140
need to see anything. Okay. I just, I just. Let's,

536
00:32:48,140 --> 00:32:54,460
let's Xn on the, the use of, relieving yourself.

537
00:32:54,550 --> 00:32:59,980
You. We don't need to. Well, but I do appreciate

538
00:33:00,540 --> 00:33:04,540
to, to go back see. And I don't even find it

539
00:33:04,540 --> 00:33:12,820
humorous. I'm just like, unnecessary. Like my, my

540
00:33:12,820 --> 00:33:16,460
favorite man. I'm jumping all over the place

541
00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:19,220
because what I wanted to say before I get into my

542
00:33:19,220 --> 00:33:22,320
favorite, line that actually did get me, make me

543
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,280
laugh out loud for the first time watching this

544
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:30,180
show was, what I wanted to say first was the

545
00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:37,860
opening monologue about Sir Arlen and then going

546
00:33:38,020 --> 00:33:43,100
into the closing monologue about Sir Arlen. And

547
00:33:43,100 --> 00:33:49,100
it, and what really stuck with me was the closing

548
00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:52,220
moment at that point, it's not necessarily about

549
00:33:52,220 --> 00:33:56,660
Sir Arlen. It is actually more about Dunk because

550
00:33:57,060 --> 00:34:00,780
through the interactions he has with Baylor and

551
00:34:00,780 --> 00:34:06,740
with others in this episode, he has a realization

552
00:34:08,340 --> 00:34:14,220
that of his identity thus far has been wrapped up

553
00:34:14,220 --> 00:34:20,389
in Sir Arlen. and he is the legacy. And so he now,

554
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:25,029
now that Sir Arlen has passed, he can still

555
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:29,909
preserve his identity by upholding that legacy and

556
00:34:29,989 --> 00:34:35,229
also like besting it and bettering it and proving

557
00:34:35,229 --> 00:34:38,949
that Sir Arlen was a good knight and a good mentor

558
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:43,509
because he may have lost every tourney, but I won

559
00:34:43,509 --> 00:34:50,139
one. Or, or I, I accomplished X. So I, I just, I

560
00:34:50,139 --> 00:34:55,459
thought that was very profound and very, very

561
00:34:55,459 --> 00:35:00,059
indicative into who I thought we were seeing

562
00:35:00,059 --> 00:35:05,419
glimmers of in Dunk in the first episode. So I

563
00:35:05,419 --> 00:35:09,179
don't know. I, I just, I, I really there there was

564
00:35:09,179 --> 00:35:13,709
a simplicity and there was more movement. I felt

565
00:35:13,709 --> 00:35:16,639
like there was, for whatever reason, a lot more

566
00:35:17,229 --> 00:35:20,919
slowness in the first episode. But I felt like

567
00:35:20,919 --> 00:35:25,759
this episode there was. It, it just felt better

568
00:35:25,759 --> 00:35:30,229
paced. and it felt like the world was a lot

569
00:35:30,229 --> 00:35:35,819
bigger. But Yeah, so, so you can go ahead.

570
00:35:37,139 --> 00:35:39,989
>> Will: Yeah, no, I, I, I agree with you that that this

571
00:35:39,989 --> 00:35:43,309
episode pacing was. I felt better this time. I

572
00:35:43,309 --> 00:35:49,389
mean I familiar with the book. So I you know, so

573
00:35:49,389 --> 00:35:53,069
there were. I like where they. One things I've

574
00:35:53,069 --> 00:35:56,549
really liked about this show is a lot of the

575
00:35:58,549 --> 00:36:01,269
narrative. things that were ha. That that happens

576
00:36:01,269 --> 00:36:05,319
in the book book where with, with Dunks, you know,

577
00:36:05,319 --> 00:36:08,019
for example, people calling him stupid and

578
00:36:08,019 --> 00:36:10,099
question his intelligence and even like with, with

579
00:36:10,099 --> 00:36:14,429
Sir Arlen, you, you know. M. Referencing that as

580
00:36:14,429 --> 00:36:20,079
well. I like whenever they use scenes that, where

581
00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:23,159
they will flesh out various scenes like whenever

582
00:36:23,159 --> 00:36:29,259
he was with the puppet, lady, Too Tall.

583
00:36:29,259 --> 00:36:30,539
>> Sarah : That's her name. Yeah.

584
00:36:30,939 --> 00:36:35,589
>> Will: Yeah. And you know, and they re. They refresh.

585
00:36:35,669 --> 00:36:38,309
They, they expanded something that, that whole

586
00:36:38,309 --> 00:36:40,749
sequence where you know, he was not comfortable

587
00:36:40,749 --> 00:36:46,069
with women. I mean I think it, and, and his his

588
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:49,499
lack of game that the egg bails him out. but they,

589
00:36:49,499 --> 00:36:52,039
they, they took that narrative that was playing

590
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:54,399
out in his head and they, they flesh it out here

591
00:36:54,399 --> 00:36:57,159
in live action. That really makes, it, makes it

592
00:36:57,799 --> 00:37:01,199
give us a better glimpse as far as who Dunk is as

593
00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:04,039
a person and, and, and what goes through his head.

594
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:07,639
So I really like how, how the show is, is doing

595
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:10,279
that and, and, and, and also just you know,

596
00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:13,639
expanding things where it needs to like even

597
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:15,559
whenever he meets the Targaryens. I mean those are

598
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:19,899
things that are a little, they take, they take

599
00:37:20,699 --> 00:37:25,259
those moments and, and adapt them to television in

600
00:37:25,339 --> 00:37:28,699
a more dynamic way that, that augments the source

601
00:37:28,699 --> 00:37:32,418
material in my opinion. So really overall, I think

602
00:37:32,418 --> 00:37:35,379
this the second episode, like I agree with you. I

603
00:37:35,379 --> 00:37:37,929
think, it definitely. Even though it's a smaller

604
00:37:37,929 --> 00:37:40,609
story as far as like, you know, there's no grand

605
00:37:40,609 --> 00:37:43,099
battles as far as for, for, for, you know, for the

606
00:37:43,099 --> 00:37:47,419
Iron Throne really is a good day in the life of,

607
00:37:47,419 --> 00:37:52,499
of Dunk and Egg. But but it's really, you know,

608
00:37:53,459 --> 00:37:57,219
shows it gives the perspective of this larger

609
00:37:57,219 --> 00:38:00,459
world from, from a you know, from a You know,

610
00:38:00,459 --> 00:38:05,769
based on a commoner's perspective. or even in this

611
00:38:05,769 --> 00:38:08,369
case or Hedge neit's perspective, which, you know,

612
00:38:08,369 --> 00:38:11,009
and the challenges that he has just trying to gain

613
00:38:11,009 --> 00:38:14,589
legitimacy, in this, in this, in Night Thumb, and

614
00:38:14,589 --> 00:38:17,749
then in this order and, and, and all these, you

615
00:38:17,749 --> 00:38:20,549
know, all these lords who, who dream of battles

616
00:38:20,549 --> 00:38:23,589
and stuff. But right now, under, King Darren, the,

617
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:27,149
the kingdom's pretty, is. Is. Is peaceful. So

618
00:38:27,149 --> 00:38:30,589
they're having to do tug of wars to like, you

619
00:38:30,589 --> 00:38:32,149
know, to be able to, you know.

620
00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:33,279
>> Sarah : Right, right, right.

621
00:38:33,279 --> 00:38:35,199
>> Will: Yeah. Bragging rights of one over one another.

622
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:46,719
>> Sarah : Yeah. So m. Okay, so what I was gonna say is that

623
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:53,719
the original show, Game of Thrones m And how they

624
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,319
set up Westeros, what was so good about it? And

625
00:38:57,319 --> 00:38:59,599
this will be ironic considering what we just

626
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:04,089
talked about as being the problem with Fallout was

627
00:39:04,089 --> 00:39:08,679
that, Game of Thrones had several different

628
00:39:08,759 --> 00:39:12,599
storylines going on. And so, yeah, to an extent

629
00:39:12,759 --> 00:39:16,839
people were vying for the throne. But then you had

630
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:21,439
someone like Arya Stark. She was never vying for

631
00:39:21,439 --> 00:39:24,559
the throne. She just wanted vengeance for her

632
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:27,929
family. Then you, you have Jon Star Snow who,

633
00:39:28,329 --> 00:39:34,879
reluctant and, and that whole situation. But you,

634
00:39:34,879 --> 00:39:38,079
you did see different angles and different,

635
00:39:38,319 --> 00:39:43,679
different people. I do agree that this show does

636
00:39:43,679 --> 00:39:48,639
focus on someone with, with no title, but very

637
00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:53,599
much like a Jon Snow. Dunk is someone who, who is

638
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:59,159
vying for legitimacy, vying for belonging in

639
00:39:59,159 --> 00:40:02,639
place. And that is something, a human emotion and

640
00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:05,399
a human desire that anyone watching can connect

641
00:40:05,399 --> 00:40:07,799
with. And so that's why he's a very lovable

642
00:40:07,799 --> 00:40:12,079
protagonist and very similar to Egg. I mean, Egg

643
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:16,359
is just pocket sized, so it's adorable. He's so

644
00:40:16,359 --> 00:40:20,269
cute. He also knows way more than he should and

645
00:40:20,509 --> 00:40:23,869
they're doing a very good job about subtly putting

646
00:40:23,869 --> 00:40:28,269
that out there. And, and Dunk is not stupid enough

647
00:40:28,269 --> 00:40:33,319
to not pick up on that. albeit I think he, he also

648
00:40:34,119 --> 00:40:37,769
brushes it off, and doesn't loom that much on it.

649
00:40:37,769 --> 00:40:41,769
But he, it's Dunk. He shouldn't loom on that. I

650
00:40:41,769 --> 00:40:44,249
think it would be kind of out of character for him

651
00:40:44,249 --> 00:40:50,569
too. because he does have a degree of being naive

652
00:40:50,569 --> 00:40:59,729
about people. so, so I, I just, I think that they,

653
00:40:59,809 --> 00:41:03,209
they've. They've. In this episode particular, I

654
00:41:03,209 --> 00:41:07,249
know we're only on the second episode, but they're

655
00:41:07,249 --> 00:41:13,819
really showing a good job of. Because, because,

656
00:41:15,099 --> 00:41:17,819
yeah, we're not talking about the Irish throne,

657
00:41:17,819 --> 00:41:20,379
but that's why we got House of Dragon come out in

658
00:41:20,379 --> 00:41:23,459
a few months to get into the political stuff. But

659
00:41:23,459 --> 00:41:27,099
there's still politics going on. There is still.

660
00:41:27,339 --> 00:41:30,499
And I think that's why this episode Drew me in

661
00:41:30,499 --> 00:41:34,839
more because it did reaffirm this idea of, okay,

662
00:41:34,989 --> 00:41:37,109
okay, what are the politics about a knight

663
00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:40,589
becoming legitimate? What does he have to do? Who

664
00:41:40,589 --> 00:41:42,029
does he have to talk to?

665
00:41:42,669 --> 00:41:43,069
>> Will: And.

666
00:41:43,069 --> 00:41:46,789
>> Sarah : And then you. You hear about these battles. That's

667
00:41:46,789 --> 00:41:50,908
another fascinating thing about Westeros and this

668
00:41:50,908 --> 00:41:55,789
world that has been built is that because of time

669
00:41:55,789 --> 00:41:59,269
and setting and what we know happens in the future

670
00:41:59,269 --> 00:42:03,279
and what we know has happened in the past, you

671
00:42:03,279 --> 00:42:06,399
hear all of these names and these battles and

672
00:42:06,399 --> 00:42:09,639
you're like, oh, yeah, yeah, I totally. I totally

673
00:42:09,639 --> 00:42:14,679
get that. Probably did like. Like, there it is. It

674
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:18,369
is fascinating. And I felt this when, I. We were.

675
00:42:18,449 --> 00:42:21,249
When I first watched Game of Thrones. In itself,

676
00:42:21,249 --> 00:42:26,049
it's. It's fascinating to me that simultaneously

677
00:42:26,209 --> 00:42:31,359
there is this fantastical world with these dragons

678
00:42:31,359 --> 00:42:36,239
and these beasts and these magical entities, and

679
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,839
yet, because of the history, because of the armor,

680
00:42:39,999 --> 00:42:44,319
because of the castles, it feels like Middle Ages.

681
00:42:44,639 --> 00:42:49,369
And so, like, you. You have to remember sometimes,

682
00:42:49,369 --> 00:42:52,609
and especially watching a show like this where.

683
00:42:52,929 --> 00:42:55,569
Where we haven't seen a dragon and we won't be

684
00:42:55,569 --> 00:42:59,729
seeing a dragon as far as I. I know you do feel

685
00:42:59,729 --> 00:43:02,829
like you're. You're just watching a piece, a,

686
00:43:02,779 --> 00:43:05,939
retelling of a tale that occurred in the Middle

687
00:43:05,939 --> 00:43:10,139
Ages. So. So it's great. I will tell you my laugh

688
00:43:10,139 --> 00:43:14,409
out loud moment. My laugh out loud moment was, him

689
00:43:14,409 --> 00:43:16,849
interacting with the Targaryens. And specifically

690
00:43:16,849 --> 00:43:19,679
at the end when it's brought up that, Is it make

691
00:43:19,679 --> 00:43:24,029
our two sons that are specifically missing? Yeah,

692
00:43:24,909 --> 00:43:28,189
so it's make our sons. And he and Dun just is

693
00:43:28,189 --> 00:43:32,429
like, well, I hope they're not dead. It's like,

694
00:43:32,909 --> 00:43:39,069
read the room, Dun. Read the room. It was at that

695
00:43:39,069 --> 00:43:42,629
moment when. And he knew. I also appreciated the

696
00:43:42,629 --> 00:43:46,149
fact that he knew it was at that moment he messed

697
00:43:46,149 --> 00:43:51,679
up and immediately got bailed out. but I. The. The

698
00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:56,499
whole rapport, back and forth between him and

699
00:43:56,499 --> 00:44:03,139
Makar and then him and Bael. Are it because of our

700
00:44:03,299 --> 00:44:06,819
time with the Targaryens in the past through House

701
00:44:06,819 --> 00:44:09,899
of Dragon, you're like, yeah, these two are

702
00:44:09,899 --> 00:44:11,219
totally descendants.

703
00:44:12,419 --> 00:44:14,899
>> Will: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.

704
00:44:16,149 --> 00:44:22,029
>> Sarah : Oh, my God, it's so good. Because when that tells

705
00:44:22,029 --> 00:44:24,949
you something about the characters in this world,

706
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:29,789
when we're talking 60 to 100 years removed and

707
00:44:29,789 --> 00:44:31,989
we're looking at the ancestry and we're like, oh,

708
00:44:31,989 --> 00:44:34,629
yeah, those genes got passed down because of

709
00:44:34,629 --> 00:44:36,629
Inbraid. They were inbred.

710
00:44:37,269 --> 00:44:40,109
>> Will: Yeah, well. Yeah, well. Well, the thing with

711
00:44:40,109 --> 00:44:42,349
Balor, you know, his. His actually, his mother is

712
00:44:42,349 --> 00:44:45,339
actually Dornish so. But. Yeah, but. Yeah, but the

713
00:44:45,339 --> 00:44:48,659
great. But the. The, you know, he's the great

714
00:44:48,659 --> 00:44:52,659
grandson of Damon and Rhaenyra, so. Yeah, so you

715
00:44:52,659 --> 00:44:54,659
definitely. You definitely get the. You know, just

716
00:44:54,659 --> 00:44:56,299
looking at the family tree, you definitely can

717
00:44:56,299 --> 00:45:01,599
see, like, you know, speaking of your, like, the

718
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:03,719
genes. Oh, yeah, they're definitely through.

719
00:45:04,279 --> 00:45:08,439
>> Sarah : Yeah, that. I like how you told me that he's

720
00:45:08,439 --> 00:45:12,229
Dornish, because. Okay, so he's got some Pedro

721
00:45:12,229 --> 00:45:18,509
Pascal in him. All right, all right, that. That

722
00:45:18,509 --> 00:45:21,829
makes. That makes sense. But. But is maker not

723
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:25,069
part Dornish, or are they both?

724
00:45:25,629 --> 00:45:28,229
>> Will: They both. They both are, but somehow. But the,

725
00:45:28,639 --> 00:45:31,359
The. The Dornish gene pass went Baylor, and I

726
00:45:31,359 --> 00:45:33,199
guess that's, you know. I guess, you know, like.

727
00:45:33,199 --> 00:45:35,719
Like with Jon Snow too. I mean, that. That

728
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,719
happened. But make our got. He got the gene that,

729
00:45:39,029 --> 00:45:41,909
definitely got that target silver hair.

730
00:45:42,149 --> 00:45:47,389
>> Sarah : I am so confused right now. So. Okay, there.

731
00:45:47,389 --> 00:45:51,789
There. I just. I just want to understand. I just

732
00:45:51,789 --> 00:45:56,269
want to understand. Are they both Dornish or are

733
00:45:56,269 --> 00:45:56,789
they not?

734
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:58,549
>> Will: Yes.

735
00:45:59,029 --> 00:46:00,069
>> Sarah : Okay. Okay.

736
00:46:00,069 --> 00:46:02,019
>> Will: Yeah, but. Yeah, but, you know. You know, but it's

737
00:46:02,019 --> 00:46:04,539
just like, you know, just some people that, you

738
00:46:04,539 --> 00:46:06,419
know, the dominant or recessive gene. I don't want

739
00:46:06,419 --> 00:46:07,219
to get into the genetics.

740
00:46:07,219 --> 00:46:09,579
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, no, no, that's not why I was

741
00:46:09,579 --> 00:46:11,669
questioning. I, wasn't even going with the hair.

742
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:14,309
>> Will: No bastards here.

743
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:17,509
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. I thought the reference to Jon Snow

744
00:46:17,509 --> 00:46:19,469
was about them being a bastard. And I was like,

745
00:46:19,469 --> 00:46:24,189
okay, I'm so confused, but. All right, so I'm glad

746
00:46:24,189 --> 00:46:26,229
we got that straight. Neither one are bastards.

747
00:46:26,229 --> 00:46:31,389
Both are Dornish. Makes sense. to. To even. Even,

748
00:46:32,559 --> 00:46:35,399
to an extent, how restrained they both were when

749
00:46:35,399 --> 00:46:37,039
they were interacting with Dunk.

750
00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:39,809
>> Will: yeah, well, too, but also restrained because

751
00:46:40,609 --> 00:46:42,209
something. As you mentioned earlier, there are no

752
00:46:42,209 --> 00:46:47,009
dragons now. So, you know, so they. They truly are

753
00:46:47,009 --> 00:46:50,129
living off a street cred and just a Targaryen name

754
00:46:50,129 --> 00:46:51,169
at this point in history.

755
00:46:51,649 --> 00:46:56,259
>> Sarah : So a lot of people are. People are living off of.

756
00:46:56,259 --> 00:46:57,059
In this world.

757
00:46:58,419 --> 00:47:01,059
>> Will: But I think it also explained. But it does also

758
00:47:02,179 --> 00:47:06,219
explain why Baylor and Maker, they're there

759
00:47:06,219 --> 00:47:09,059
because they do have to keep the. The good graces

760
00:47:09,059 --> 00:47:11,619
of the people. Whereas before, you know, you

761
00:47:11,619 --> 00:47:15,139
wouldn't see Viserius like, or any. Or Damon or

762
00:47:15,139 --> 00:47:17,359
anybody else like, you know, going to a, common

763
00:47:17,689 --> 00:47:21,089
Commoners tournament like this. I mean, they would

764
00:47:21,089 --> 00:47:23,089
be beneath that. Would be beneath them because

765
00:47:23,089 --> 00:47:26,369
they could be like it. Yeah, so. So I think that's

766
00:47:26,369 --> 00:47:30,369
another really cool thing I like about this world

767
00:47:30,369 --> 00:47:33,459
right now. because, you know, showing that. That.

768
00:47:33,459 --> 00:47:36,059
That that period between House of the Dragon and

769
00:47:36,059 --> 00:47:40,379
Game of Thrones and just really just showing us

770
00:47:40,379 --> 00:47:43,339
where, you know, where, you know, further

771
00:47:43,339 --> 00:47:45,569
contextualizes everything that. That, That we.

772
00:47:45,569 --> 00:47:48,209
That we know in this. In the. In the lore of this

773
00:47:48,209 --> 00:47:48,769
universe.

774
00:47:49,649 --> 00:47:52,369
>> Sarah : Can I make a rule for this show moving forward?

775
00:47:52,769 --> 00:47:53,249
>> Will: Yeah.

776
00:47:54,209 --> 00:47:56,849
>> Sarah : And this might be hard because you. You actually

777
00:47:56,849 --> 00:48:01,809
are reading the source material. But please, let's

778
00:48:01,809 --> 00:48:05,569
refrain from spoiling me about what is to come on

779
00:48:05,569 --> 00:48:10,019
House of Dragon because. Okay, I. I only know so

780
00:48:10,019 --> 00:48:13,099
much, and I would like to remain ignorant about

781
00:48:13,099 --> 00:48:14,219
what I don't know.

782
00:48:15,979 --> 00:48:17,659
>> Will: I don't think I spoiled anything major.

783
00:48:18,219 --> 00:48:21,259
>> Sarah : I don't think so. But you're walking the line. And

784
00:48:21,259 --> 00:48:23,508
I wanna. I'm, just putting this out there for both

785
00:48:23,508 --> 00:48:27,709
you and myself. You and myself is. Let's. Let's

786
00:48:27,709 --> 00:48:31,589
remember though, that technically the. What. What

787
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:33,269
happens in the past has yet to happen.

788
00:48:38,439 --> 00:48:40,679
>> Will: Yeah, well, we know the dragons, don't they? Yeah,

789
00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:42,519
they don't they. By the time of Game of Thrones,

790
00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:44,199
we know they're not there anymore. So.

791
00:48:45,399 --> 00:48:47,479
>> Sarah : Yes, yes, but that is way in the future

792
00:48:47,479 --> 00:48:51,479
technically too. So. But. So we don't know. We

793
00:48:51,479 --> 00:48:53,479
don't know. I won't.

794
00:48:53,479 --> 00:48:55,439
>> Will: I won't reference any bad. I won't reference

795
00:48:55,439 --> 00:48:56,799
anything that happens. I promise.

796
00:48:56,799 --> 00:49:00,679
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. So that. That is. That is

797
00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:03,879
the rule moving forward. Thou shall not reference

798
00:49:03,879 --> 00:49:08,119
the past. We will get there in a few months.

799
00:49:08,439 --> 00:49:09,559
>> Will: We'll get there in June.

800
00:49:10,359 --> 00:49:13,519
>> Sarah : Yeah, we. It'll. It'll be here before we know it

801
00:49:13,519 --> 00:49:18,729
in the summer. let's talk about the sigil. That

802
00:49:18,729 --> 00:49:21,769
was. That was a big thing in this episode is

803
00:49:22,169 --> 00:49:25,569
Baylor, points out that he cannot continue

804
00:49:26,049 --> 00:49:31,429
holding, wearing the same sigil of Sir Arlen. and

805
00:49:31,429 --> 00:49:37,119
so he has to get his, get a new sigil. And upon

806
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:40,959
discussion, Egg offers up an elm tree with a

807
00:49:40,959 --> 00:49:44,719
shooting star reference to the ending scene in

808
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:49,239
last week's episode. Very, very good scene. I also

809
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:53,599
like the scene. I mean, you brought up before.

810
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:59,599
Dunk has no. No women's skills. Well, duh. But

811
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:04,199
what I found most amusing was I don't think Egg is

812
00:50:04,199 --> 00:50:08,639
the best wingman. I really don't. I think he

813
00:50:08,639 --> 00:50:13,319
understood how to neutralize the situations, but I

814
00:50:13,319 --> 00:50:16,079
don't think he also was the biggest help in trying

815
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:21,679
to. To, push. Push his, mentor. but. But really

816
00:50:21,759 --> 00:50:25,629
this. The. The best scene between Dunk and Egg for

817
00:50:25,629 --> 00:50:32,669
me was, when. When for the first time, truly, we

818
00:50:32,669 --> 00:50:36,819
see Egg try to get some advice from Dunk. And,

819
00:50:36,769 --> 00:50:40,199
Dunk just says, well, you know, people used to say

820
00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:44,639
I was stupid. And, and for a moment I thought they

821
00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:48,589
were gonna do the reaction like, and you are. But,

822
00:50:50,029 --> 00:50:52,989
but no, it was just merely Egg being like. And.

823
00:50:53,709 --> 00:50:54,269
>> Will: Yep.

824
00:50:54,349 --> 00:50:59,149
>> Sarah : Are you gonna continue? Because. And, and what is

825
00:50:59,149 --> 00:51:04,389
so humorous about it is, again, we start this

826
00:51:04,389 --> 00:51:10,189
episode with a reflection of what Sir Arlen meant

827
00:51:10,429 --> 00:51:16,449
to Dunk and this. And, and him learning how to be

828
00:51:16,449 --> 00:51:20,089
a knight. But now the question is, based off of

829
00:51:20,089 --> 00:51:24,449
that scene alone, does Dunk really understand what

830
00:51:24,449 --> 00:51:29,409
it is to mentor someone else? Because he's now

831
00:51:29,649 --> 00:51:33,849
trying to get legitimacy as a knight himself, but

832
00:51:33,849 --> 00:51:38,089
because there's Egg who's now has this idea and

833
00:51:38,089 --> 00:51:40,529
has put this out there. Well, like, can I be a

834
00:51:40,529 --> 00:51:44,609
knight too? And, and I want this like, and. And

835
00:51:44,609 --> 00:51:49,769
somebody he has to look out after does. Was he

836
00:51:49,769 --> 00:51:54,449
given the same capabilities that Sir Arlen had

837
00:51:55,169 --> 00:51:59,729
when he kind of took Dunk under his wing that he

838
00:51:59,729 --> 00:52:06,659
can now use to kind of shield Egg? So, yeah, I, I

839
00:52:06,659 --> 00:52:09,869
really, I really like that moment, for all of

840
00:52:09,869 --> 00:52:12,579
those reasons. And, like I said at the beginning,

841
00:52:12,579 --> 00:52:17,319
this, this episode just really hit me. and, and I

842
00:52:17,319 --> 00:52:20,919
thought it was. I thought it was a lot. Very, very

843
00:52:20,919 --> 00:52:24,399
solid. It, like, it fulfilled a lot of the

844
00:52:24,399 --> 00:52:27,439
potential that I thought the pilot had. But I was

845
00:52:27,439 --> 00:52:30,759
very honest, probably because I watched it at the

846
00:52:30,759 --> 00:52:34,279
wrong time, but for whatever reason just didn't

847
00:52:34,279 --> 00:52:37,479
hit me. But this episode definitely hit me.

848
00:52:38,519 --> 00:52:41,479
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, it, it hit. Yeah. For me, it just

849
00:52:42,359 --> 00:52:44,719
further helped me, like. Yeah, I really, really

850
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,399
enjoy this show. And also too, like during the

851
00:52:47,399 --> 00:52:51,049
tournament, you know, whenever. When you were

852
00:52:51,049 --> 00:52:55,829
talking about Dunk being a mentor to Egg and, and,

853
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:58,589
and, and, and while the tournament was going on

854
00:52:58,589 --> 00:53:02,389
and you know, because they were all into it and

855
00:53:02,389 --> 00:53:05,029
then I know Dunk was having some. He was, you

856
00:53:05,029 --> 00:53:08,469
know, he was. The moments there where he was, they

857
00:53:08,469 --> 00:53:15,189
were doing some flashbacks and, and, and about

858
00:53:15,189 --> 00:53:18,429
being a mentor for, for Egg and, and, and thinking

859
00:53:18,429 --> 00:53:22,709
about, like, I think there was a scene where Dunk

860
00:53:22,709 --> 00:53:24,869
was asking, you know, whenever he was a squire to

861
00:53:24,869 --> 00:53:27,309
Arlen, one day I'm going to be a knight. And Arlen

862
00:53:27,309 --> 00:53:32,159
really didn't like, give him an answer. So I'm

863
00:53:32,159 --> 00:53:39,279
just looking. Yeah, I do. It will be. I will see

864
00:53:39,359 --> 00:53:41,999
how things will go progress too. Because even,

865
00:53:41,999 --> 00:53:44,239
like, I think you're referencing the conversation

866
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,709
about, Dunkin Egg and this, you know, people

867
00:53:46,709 --> 00:53:52,389
calling him stupid or whatever, and, and Eggs.

868
00:53:52,949 --> 00:53:57,139
Egg, you talked about his size and being a small

869
00:53:57,139 --> 00:53:59,299
guy and, and you know, our. And then Dunk was

870
00:53:59,299 --> 00:54:02,179
like, it'll grow. And you know, it was Just kind

871
00:54:02,179 --> 00:54:07,379
of like maybe I will. But it was just one. It was

872
00:54:07,379 --> 00:54:10,299
just a. I just really enjoy their. That their

873
00:54:10,299 --> 00:54:13,139
interactions and the. And the innocence that Dunk

874
00:54:13,139 --> 00:54:16,339
has in the naivety. Because it's not so much that

875
00:54:16,339 --> 00:54:19,219
he's dumb. I think he's. I don't think it's a dumb

876
00:54:19,219 --> 00:54:21,729
guy. He's just. He just likes. He. He just lacks

877
00:54:21,729 --> 00:54:25,329
people skills and, and is. And. And. And so. And

878
00:54:25,329 --> 00:54:28,409
reading social cues and stuff. So he. So maybe he

879
00:54:28,409 --> 00:54:32,129
has low intel. Emotional intelligence as far as

880
00:54:32,129 --> 00:54:37,909
that. But as far as, You. You. But you know. But

881
00:54:37,909 --> 00:54:41,029
he. He's street. He's savvy. He's. I won't say

882
00:54:41,029 --> 00:54:42,829
he's street smart because I mean a. Clearly it's

883
00:54:42,829 --> 00:54:46,819
just more street smart. but he has a way. He's a

884
00:54:46,819 --> 00:54:47,459
survivor.

885
00:54:47,779 --> 00:54:52,099
>> Sarah : He's just simple. He's a very simple person. And,

886
00:54:52,099 --> 00:54:55,099
And I don't. I don't even know if he's a survivor

887
00:54:55,099 --> 00:54:57,859
from what I've seen so far in these two episodes.

888
00:54:58,579 --> 00:55:02,739
He. He's. Because he's been given some good luck.

889
00:55:03,139 --> 00:55:03,699
>> Will: Yeah.

890
00:55:03,779 --> 00:55:09,659
>> Sarah : Everything he's been given, he. He fully. You're

891
00:55:09,659 --> 00:55:15,129
right. I. Dumb is probably too strong a word. But

892
00:55:15,449 --> 00:55:19,409
I also don't. He's not a mastermind. He's just a

893
00:55:19,409 --> 00:55:23,849
very simple person because he's. He's lived. His

894
00:55:23,849 --> 00:55:28,969
world is very simple. So he doesn't have these,

895
00:55:30,209 --> 00:55:34,169
This big plan or this big scheme and he doesn't

896
00:55:34,169 --> 00:55:37,889
view the world in that. And. And. And I think

897
00:55:37,889 --> 00:55:46,869
that's where. The. More. That's why it will, As

898
00:55:46,869 --> 00:55:49,989
the show continues become more fascinating to

899
00:55:49,989 --> 00:55:54,389
watch this very. This person who's been very

900
00:55:54,389 --> 00:55:58,149
simple. He sleeps under the stars. He shits on the

901
00:55:58,149 --> 00:56:01,389
side of a tree. He. He's.

902
00:56:02,029 --> 00:56:02,589
>> Will: Yeah.

903
00:56:02,989 --> 00:56:07,739
>> Sarah : Navigating the politics that we all know exist in

904
00:56:07,739 --> 00:56:14,699
Westeros like the. And so. So through this pursuit

905
00:56:14,699 --> 00:56:21,059
of legitimacy as a knight, he becomes. It will is

906
00:56:21,059 --> 00:56:26,379
taking it head on and unknowingly stumbling around

907
00:56:26,939 --> 00:56:31,429
this. This bigger than life game, that is being

908
00:56:31,429 --> 00:56:34,009
played between all of the, Among all of these

909
00:56:34,009 --> 00:56:39,159
nobles. So it's. So I think that's where the The

910
00:56:39,159 --> 00:56:44,969
interest in the story comes from. because it's

911
00:56:44,969 --> 00:56:49,049
too. It's a. It's a big world for a very simple

912
00:56:49,049 --> 00:56:49,769
individual.

913
00:56:50,489 --> 00:56:52,849
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And. Yeah. And I guess when I

914
00:56:52,849 --> 00:56:55,289
say yeah, I guess maybe survivor wasn't the right

915
00:56:55,289 --> 00:56:58,459
term. It's just more he. You know, he. He's. He's.

916
00:56:58,539 --> 00:57:00,419
He's making his way. I mean this thing when you

917
00:57:00,419 --> 00:57:02,659
like just trying to even get armor for, for the

918
00:57:02,659 --> 00:57:05,499
games for, the tourney. I mean, and, and, and

919
00:57:05,499 --> 00:57:08,019
having to do the barter. So, you know, he's trying

920
00:57:08,019 --> 00:57:11,859
to, you know, he had to sell his, his, his the

921
00:57:11,859 --> 00:57:14,409
sweetest horse. and, and then it was a very sweet

922
00:57:14,409 --> 00:57:16,289
scene where they had, whenever they were just, you

923
00:57:16,289 --> 00:57:18,049
know, he was like, I'll win you, I'll win the

924
00:57:18,049 --> 00:57:20,949
money back so I can, I can purchase you back again

925
00:57:21,099 --> 00:57:24,589
again. so, you know, so he is simple, but, but

926
00:57:24,589 --> 00:57:29,269
he's, but he, but he finds a way to, to be able

927
00:57:29,269 --> 00:57:33,699
to, to get what he needs. And, and, and then to,

928
00:57:33,699 --> 00:57:36,379
and at the end of the day, you know, it is very,

929
00:57:37,259 --> 00:57:41,899
it is a very noble quest to like, try to gain that

930
00:57:41,899 --> 00:57:45,139
legitimacy. That was so poignant that we saw with

931
00:57:45,139 --> 00:57:48,759
the bookends of his idealized notion of Arlen and

932
00:57:48,759 --> 00:57:51,559
then this and then the reflection that he had at

933
00:57:51,559 --> 00:57:52,479
the end of the episode.

934
00:57:53,599 --> 00:58:00,439
>> Sarah : Yeah. All right, well, we will talk again next

935
00:58:00,439 --> 00:58:02,589
week. and on that note, Will, why don't you tell

936
00:58:02,589 --> 00:58:04,309
our listeners where they can find you.

937
00:58:04,949 --> 00:58:07,829
>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at Will

938
00:58:07,829 --> 00:58:09,869
and Polk. W I L L M P.

939
00:58:09,869 --> 00:58:13,829
>> Sarah : O L K And you can find me there too@sjbomont sjblm

940
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:16,369
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941
00:58:16,369 --> 00:58:18,889
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942
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943
00:58:21,689 --> 00:58:26,165
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944
00:58:26,413 --> 00:58:29,449
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945
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946
00:58:32,049 --> 00:58:34,089
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947
00:58:34,089 --> 00:58:42,019
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