Andor & The Last of Us - Deep Dive into S2 E7-9 & E2 x 5

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>> Sarah : Foreign

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nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont, and with me, as

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always, is our Mr. Producer, Will Polk How are you doing tonight,

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Will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. Happy Tuesday. Hope you're

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doing well.

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>> Sarah : Happy Tuesday indeed. I am doing

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fine. I am here. We're making

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our way through May.

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>> Will: Yeah, Making our way through May.

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Yeah. Making our way through May. It's of course we

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got the, the Last of Us tonight that we're talking

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about, of course, andor which season two, episode

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seven through nine, which I think everybody's talked about, but hopefully we

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can add our, our unique spin to it. I know

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as we were, we were talking before you had share some

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thoughts about the pivotal scenes

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in episode eight, but we'll, we'll get into that, and

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how commercials don't help.

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But but yeah, but I, I, I, before we got to that, I did have

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some quick note news notes that we haven't, haven't had a news

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segment last week. so wanted to hit a couple things

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that, that dropped

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this week if, if you're.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, cool. Oh, the way you

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said it, I thought you were gonna go into it, so that's why I was

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like waiting.

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>> Will: No, no. Ah, yeah, see. Yeah, we have

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some news this week that we have the

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upfronts that the every. I

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guess it's been a while since they've had really, really big

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upfronts. But it's the big advertising,

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thing that all the networks and now streamers put on as

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far as, sharing, you know, the upcoming

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items for the next, season. And

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so, the first one, the big one today that we got was

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news that Criston, Ritter is going to be

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returning to the

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Marvel Universe and Daredevil Born Again Season

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two. She's going to be, which

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premieres in March. I think they're, I think

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they're, I think they, I think they have finished production as far

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as filming. So I guess it's in post now. But yeah, we got

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that news today. And then also

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another quick item, Fallout, which was all

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in Amazon's presentation. we got

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word that this show has been renewed

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for a third season and also

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that season two will be dropping on the

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platform in December of this year.

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So looking forward to seeing that. also

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Amazon dropped word, a little teaser

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for the Nicholas Cage Spider man noir,

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show, which that character of course was in the comics, but

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also most recently we saw him in

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the first Spider Verse film and

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yeah, and so basically this is going to be a live action

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show, that will star Nicholas Cage as the aging

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superhero set in the 1930s. And

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he's as he tries to grapple with his, his,

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his life as a, the one and only superhero

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in, in 1930s New York. So that

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show's going to be dropping next year

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first on the MGM plus platform

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and then it will then air the

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next day on Amazon Prime. So

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that's the update with Spider, man

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noir, or I guess Spider Noir I think is going to be the

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title of that show. also got word that

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the Bear season four is going to be returning on the Hulu

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presentation today, coming June

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25th and they will be dropping all

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episodes at once. So I'll get around to them right before

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season five premieres.

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And this wasn't part of the upfronts, but

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the Peacemaker Season 2 trailer dropped I

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guess, I think over the weekend. I

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think it was. I haven't watched it actually, but I know a lot of

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people have. and

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>> Sarah : You haven't watched it. You put it on the rundown.

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You put it on the rundown. So I got on

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early and I saw it and I was like, oh

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well, Will's gonna ask me if I watched it, so I

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might as well. I watched one minute of the two minute trailer. I,

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I saw too much. I saw too much. Okay,

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I, I just, I,

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within, within 10 seconds I was like telling

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myself, abort, abort. Like,

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but yeah, I,

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I'm going to see it. So I don't, I

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honestly don't want to know what's

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going on. Like, I really don't. And,

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and also like, I will tell

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you like the clear, clear tie

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ins with whatever happens in Superman.

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So remember like a few months ago

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when there was this whole Chair saga

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and people pointed out that even though they

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spent like half a day just watching trail,

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chairs with their names be revealed, they

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were like pointing out how the MCU is basically

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spoiling the state fakes of all the movies that

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are in between Doomsday.

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well, in my mind I'm like, well, having watched

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one minute of the Peacemaker trailer,

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basically DC just did the same thing.

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They kind of just did the same thing

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in a way with a few of their ancillary characters

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who they're introducing in Superman.

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So I mean, granted I've already,

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I've already pretty much shit on this Superman

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marketing campaign already because I feel like I've Seen

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the whole movie at least twice now. but

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yeah, I just, I can't,

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I, I just. Why? Two

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minutes? It's a TV show. Yeah.

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And, and it's a TV show that already has an

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audience. And you know you're gonna get more

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with Superman. And you also know

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that people like, still have yet to see

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Superman. So I think there could have been

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some much more interesting and

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strategic, marketing for

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both properties. but then

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again, I mean, as long as I don't

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think anything spoiled the most important

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thing, which is the opening title sequence of

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Peace Season 2.

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>> Will: That's the, that's the important thing. Just don't

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spoil the opening. But anything else.

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Yeah, I, I don't need to see it because I'm

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already, I'm already locked in and invested. And so,

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speaking of Superman, there will

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be a, apparently a new trailer

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tomorrow. we're recording Tuesday night. So

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on, on Wednesday, the

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14th of, of May, we will get a,

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a new Superman trailer. This, is the teaser poster that

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I think they dropped, either yesterday or today,

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for the, And I think they did a teaser. They did a teaser.

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A teaser for the trailer. To

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your point about marketing, but, I,

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I, I am not going to watch it, but I just wanted to share

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for our, for our, our listeners

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that if you do want to watch the

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trailer, if you're listening to our podcast tomorrow

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when we, or tonight as we, after we drop it,

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Superman, trailer is coming. And,

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you will be able to, if you want to watch it, you

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can, but don't come. I mean, I'll just be

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completely, transparent. We, we will. Neither one of

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us will probably watch it and just enjoy it when it comes in

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July.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, we're, we're on a ban of all things

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Superman until July. Like,

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I, I, I really think, like

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to go back to our conversation last week,

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at least 50 of why I felt

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the way I did about Thunderbolts was because

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I knew very minimal information.

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I had seen very minimal

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footage. Maybe I should have led with that. Like,

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I'd watched one trailer about

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like the first trailer that came out, and that

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was like a good six months, five months ahead of

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time, and then didn't really see anything

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else. So like, I, I

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want to preserve that. However, I will

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warn you, it's already lost on

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Superman. I've already seen too much.

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I already feel like I've failed. And I'm pretty

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sure DC is going to come after me and I'm going to be

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bombarded with trail of that thing.

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And I'm getting close with Fantastic Four, you

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know. Yeah,

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yeah, but whatever.

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>> Will: Yeah, but speaking of that. So they are, like,

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bombarding us with trailers for

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things that we are most likely going to go see.

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But then I'm still waiting for

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the Ironheart trailer for a show

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that's supposed to be dropping in June, but

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you know that. But I'm still. I mean, it's gotten to the

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place now where fans are like,

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yeah, where is. Where is it? And. And, you know, and fans,

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are doing their own promotion for this show because

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Disney and Marvel are just falling down. I mean, it's

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just like almost a month away. And I think we

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may m. Have gotten a teaser for it, but I don't even

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recall that. Maybe a poster or something. But. Yeah,

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so, you know, so I'm, kind of

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like, what's up, y' all? I mean,

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really?

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>> Sarah : Yeah, it's not a

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good sign if they're not putting marketing towards

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a property like that.

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>> Will: It.

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>> Sarah : It bodes that they don't have faith in that

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property and they just want people

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to free, like, they have to release it because they put

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all that money into it. but they.

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They also don't. But maybe it's

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also something else is going on and it'll get

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moved, and that's why they're not doing

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marketing right now, because they already know that they have

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to move it for a different reason or a different purpose.

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>> Will: But.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, but that's a. That's a good point. That, like,

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even though we get bombarded by some things, there are

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other things where it's just like, why are you waiting

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so long? I mean.

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>> Will: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, you know, and not

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to get all conspiracy bro theory or whatever, but as I has

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a black female lead, are they, like, worried about the W police

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coming after them? Or. I mean, what is it? I mean, I just.

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It's just. I'm just. I'm. I'm,

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befuddled by why there's. There hasn't been

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any. Hardly anything about this

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show.

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>> Sarah : So. Yeah, well, Well, we. We

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will. In time. The cards

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will play out.

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>> Sarah : But that brings us to the first big topic of

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tonight. The Last of Us. Season two, Episode five,

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Feel Her Love. The. The

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WLF makes a dangerous discovery at a great

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cost. Later, Ellie must decide whether to continue with

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her plan and risk putting Dina in danger

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or give up on her quest for justice.

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that's actually a very good summary of this episode, I have to say.

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I just. I want to Start with the Cold Open again. Because I

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find that the way they're

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utilizing the Cold opens are really,

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interesting mainly because

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it takes, it takes a bit for you to

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figure out that this isn't a flashback.

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This is the current day. we. We

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see the same WLF member

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who we saw in the Cold Open last

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week. And she at the time

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was basically inducting

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Isaac into the fold. but

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now we see her completely military out

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in the hospital and questioning one of the

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officers. And we get told a

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story about the hospital and

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the lower levels of the hospital and

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the fact that that This

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officer had to lock her men

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down there because it was in

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the air. And

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>> Will: They.

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>> Sarah : They barricaded the lower levels. And,

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And I really like the whole. Like at the

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beginning of the conversation she

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mentions what is Leon. And

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then by the end of the conversation,

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says. Says I'm sorry about your son.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And. And like, like I, that's. It's great

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dialogue because it's not direct,

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but it's also set up that you can infer

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that Leon was her son. So

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she, she had to

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sacrifice her son for the good of

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the own. And her son even wanted her to do that,

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based on what was going down, in

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those lower levels. But I guess to

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start us off. Will, what. What were your thoughts

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about this whole cold open sequence?

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>> Will: Cold open sequence work worked again

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for me. I think that's one of the,

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now that we're postal and

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Cold opens in the past as well. But

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this last week and this week opening that

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way just definitely does for me.

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the episode in a way that

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it leads for intrigue and wondering. Like,

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especially as someone who hasn't played the game,

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it, it helps sort of,

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sort of set the table for like, okay,

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what's going to be the, the threat

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or, or. Or that

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as we are now in Seattle.

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to deal with? And so, you know, this,

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this was. I do. I do know that the,

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you know, quarter steps in the game

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transmission was different, was. Was

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airborne from the get. whereas they adapt. When they adapted the

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tv, they did change it to make. Make it first

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a bite. Now they have like

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ratcheted up the. The threat of the quarter

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steps by being an airborne transmission.

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But so, so to me that was just like,

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oh, okay, here, here.

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Here's another challenge that, that our characters are going to have to face,

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sort of like, you know, I guess, and I guess it is sort of like a video

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game in that respect where, you know, as you, as you progress in

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the game, different thing, different challenges

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do come come up. So sort of

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TV Watcher is sort of that same kind of thing as well.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. It's also just

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good world building we have going

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on. I mean, between both of these cold opens this

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week and last week have to do with the WLF

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and nothing to do with Jackson, nothing to do

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with Ellie, Joel, none of that. It's

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honestly something that also sticks out to me with

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these cold opens that they have nothing to do with Abby.

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I mean, arguably, just because she's

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currently a member of the wlf, they don't talk

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about her. She's not, she's not seen,

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we haven't seen her in episodes.

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And yet we, we are in Seattle and,

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and we just, like Ellie and Dina

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are also piecing together

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what exactly is happening there. And

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so we, we've got in the

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breadcrumbs and we see it fleshed out even

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more here in this episode.

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The, the, the battle, the war that's

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going on between the, I want to say

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scars, but that's not technically their name, the

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Seraphites and, and the

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wlf. And, and

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now also with this cold open, it's also

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like they're not just fighting each other. Remember,

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they, they, they still

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got infected and they got, they got,

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clickers, they have stalkers. All,

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all sorts of the different versions,

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that are coming to life are, are

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definitely found in Seattle. So

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while this war between living

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people still exists as well. So

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it, you, you're spot on with like the different

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levels of a game. That's what we're

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experiencing. And, and we, and

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Ellie and Dina are even experiencing that

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as they figure out a way to get to the hospital.

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And well, Dina does

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because, Ellie is not school oriented.

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Not school oriented. I really like that. And,

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and which brings me to one of my first points of this

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episode. Isabella Merced,

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where have you been? And also I'm so glad

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you've arrived because my God,

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between this and I know you're going to be in Superman,

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which we just talked about and based on

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the one minute I saw, Peacemaker, FYI,

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are going to be in that too. But

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you are having a year. And to start it off

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like I, I, her performance

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is just so good this season

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that I don't want to say it's carrying

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the show because the show is really good as a

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whole, but it is a

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definite highlight for me so far.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, I. I agree. that. That.

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Honestly, that was so. I. I have to be honest. I

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was Feel this episode after the

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cold open, and I like. I

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like the opening moments there with Ellie and. And.

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And Dina with the triangulation and.

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And some of the. You know, there were some

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good moments, but her.

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Her. And it has. It has nothing to do with performances because. And

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that's why I want to make it very clear. Her performance,

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whenever she was talking, for example, jumping ahead

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to when they were walking down there and. And she. She

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was sharing her. Her. Her backstory as

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far as the who. The

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first person she killed.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: Yeah. I mean, that worked. I mean

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that her performance really took just

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a ex. Exposition dump and.

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And made it like I was dialed

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in.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: but the rest of the episode, I don't know, it just,

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It was. It felt empty to me in some.

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Some regards where usually I feel like there's a tension

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or. Or just escal.

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Escalation of things, but it just. I don't know. I

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just. It just. Just felt very

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artif. Hollow for. For whatever reason,

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but it's not close to the performances.

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>> Sarah : It's interesting you say that because I will be honest.

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Like, after first watching it, like,

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that night, I was like, this is probably one of the

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weaker episodes. But the more I think about

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this episode, the more

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I actually think that

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there are some. There

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are some. They. They are doing things

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for. With, like, intention.

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And. And I think that.

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I don't think it's the best in any way, shape or

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form, but I do think

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that it's not. It's not

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awful. Hollow might be a good word for it.

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It might just be like. Like

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there. Because we have yet to

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see Ellie finally meet.

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Meet Abby again.

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We're just. We're just like, okay, it's day two in

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Seattle, and. And I'm just gonna call

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this out. I think it was very

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noticeable, more so in. Than any other

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episode I've seen of this series. How

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convenient things were.

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Yeah, like, they.

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Convenient. Like Jesse shows up

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at the most convenient time to

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stop the stalker from,

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killing Ellie. and then all

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of the other ones as well from. Because there was

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like, maybe right around 10 in there

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with them. I don't know. But between

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that, then they managed to conveniently get into

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the park where. Where they witness

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what we actually witness.

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how. How the. How the Seraphites

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treat the WLF members. I mean, we saw the

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aftermath of it, but to actually see the

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blade and the Hanging and how that all works.

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It was like, whoa.

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Yeah, yeah, whoa. But, but then,

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but then they conveniently escape from m. Them

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as well because they realize like, and

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then, and, and then they have to

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separate and Ellie conveniently

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finds her. So I, I agree. Like,

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to me that was one of the reasons why

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I've. This episode I don't

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think works as well as it should or could

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have is because of all of the plot

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conveniences that occur.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. I mean this is the first time. I mean,

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yes, there's always plot armor in these shows,

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but to me it just really just felt very

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apparent this week. And you're right. I mean it's not that. I'm not saying

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it's a bad episode, but,

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but in when I'm, when I'm measuring it

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against other. Within the, within the

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live action version of the the Last of Us,

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this just to me. This just to me just felt like it was.

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And, and it was

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just sort of a set piece. It was

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just getting us from A to B to C.

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And, and I, I don't know.

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Yeah, kind of. I mean there's some, there's some. They explore some things. Like,

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to your, to your point, one of the reasons why the Cold Open

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works so well is because we

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do have, we do have a parent who is,

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who is making that

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choice that Joel and Ellie had

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before. So as far as

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choosing the good of the mini versus to go to the one.

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So whenever, you know, so

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whenever those things were happening, I was

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rocking with the show. That was where I, Even in this episode

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I was like, I'm, I'm dialed in.

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>> Will: But then, but then the stuff

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in the. Like I said, when the clickers,

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the. I guess when Ellie and

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Dina were in the. The smart. The

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stalkers were in the, in the warehouse and stuff,

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it just like I felt like, okay,

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we saw. Yeah. I don't know, it just, it just felt

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repetitive at this point.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Just felt

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like another,

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another scene to show how

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our two lead characters, our two

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heroes, are. Are just

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finding like getting themselves put in these

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worst situations and will conveniently get out of

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them. Like we. That's not, that's

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not what this show is about. This show needs. There needs to

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be more human conflict. I mean some of

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the. What was it like episode three

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this season? We didn't see an infected at all. And I

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was like, this is great. This is great. But now between

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this sequence and the sequence last week with the

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train, it's like, okay, so how

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many times will Dina and Ellie

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figure out a plan to get from point A to

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point B, but have to go through an area that

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WLF is not protecting for an

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obvious reason.

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>> Will: Exactly.

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>> Sarah : Like, I, I, completely agree with you,

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like, to that extent that this, this is

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a very. And, and why I

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say I can't say for sure that this

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is about getting from point A to point B, because they

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backtrack because they, they're just

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gonna end up back at the theater at the end of

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this. I mean, who knows what Nora

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ends up telling her? because she's

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dead. Either way. I mean, in one way,

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and, and honestly, either way is agony,

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arguably. So, so because

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the core steps and, that actress,

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you know, if you're gonna go out, you might as well go out

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like that. I, I thought she did a good job

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of, of initially

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trying to, like, say, I agree

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that was awful. I don't think you should have seen

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it. And then when she does the whole,

516
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like, yeah, but Joel, got what he deserved. It was like.

517
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,280
And, and I like it because of Bella's

518
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,960
reaction. M. Because, you

519
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,520
see, Bella's reaction means

520
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,640
she fell for it just the

521
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,360
way I think. I think some of the, like,

522
00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:25,320
viewers were falling for it too. Was just like,

523
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,120
was like, okay, okay. But then

524
00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:30,840
that flip, and it catches her so off guard, she

525
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,700
doesn't even shoot her. And in time. And

526
00:25:33,700 --> 00:25:36,580
then that leads to the chase down to level

527
00:25:36,580 --> 00:25:39,100
B2, which we'd already known

528
00:25:39,660 --> 00:25:42,460
was where all of the cordyceps were. But,

529
00:25:42,620 --> 00:25:45,620
But I will. As cool as it was to

530
00:25:45,620 --> 00:25:48,190
see Ellie go full, full

531
00:25:48,190 --> 00:25:51,110
murderer, for lack of a better word,

532
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:53,270
torturer. I,

533
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:56,950
I, I did leave this, this episode

534
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:59,840
thinking to myself, are they gonna explain

535
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,840
how Ellie will conveniently escape the

536
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,600
hospital from

537
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,400
that place, to

538
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,320
go to the theater, return back to

539
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,840
the theater, which she knows is where Jesse

540
00:26:14,239 --> 00:26:17,040
took Dina, and they're meeting up with,

541
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:17,880
Tommy.

542
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:19,160
>> Will: Right, right.

543
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,160
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, that's,

544
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,440
Yeah. I, and I also, I'm just gonna say I kind

545
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,390
of wish it was Tommy and not Jesse. I kind

546
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:31,150
of wish it was Tommy. Not just because I

547
00:26:31,150 --> 00:26:33,600
was. I, I, I, want to see

548
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,240
Tommy. Like,

549
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,840
I, I, we haven't explored too much

550
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,680
of his feelings about all of this. Right, right.

551
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:43,479
>> Will: Right.

552
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:46,440
>> Sarah : So, so we're, we're headed into

553
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,240
episodes. Episode, ah, seven.

554
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,840
And, and that's the penultimate episode of the season.

555
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,460
And yet we have not spent a lot of time with

556
00:26:55,460 --> 00:26:57,540
Tommy and, and he

557
00:26:57,780 --> 00:27:00,500
arguably has is just as many

558
00:27:00,820 --> 00:27:03,660
complex emotions about the loss of his brother

559
00:27:03,660 --> 00:27:06,410
as Ellie, if not more so, because

560
00:27:06,490 --> 00:27:09,050
of the Whole town situation and,

561
00:27:09,450 --> 00:27:11,890
and his. His complex

562
00:27:11,890 --> 00:27:14,810
relationship with Joel from the get go. So.

563
00:27:15,610 --> 00:27:18,290
So I. I don't know, going into next week,

564
00:27:18,290 --> 00:27:21,260
which I inadvertently saw a

565
00:27:21,260 --> 00:27:23,930
thumbnail. So, I'm. I can't. I'm pretty

566
00:27:23,930 --> 00:27:26,930
suspicious that next week will be a full on flashback

567
00:27:26,930 --> 00:27:28,130
episode. I'm just saying.

568
00:27:28,130 --> 00:27:30,650
>> Will: Yeah, yeah,

569
00:27:31,850 --> 00:27:34,250
yeah, we got the ending, of course, and you know. But

570
00:27:34,810 --> 00:27:37,730
yeah, I. I saw. Yeah, I think. I don't know if I

571
00:27:37,730 --> 00:27:40,430
watched the, Did I watch? No, I did not. But I. I have

572
00:27:40,430 --> 00:27:43,110
seen some. Seen a few still photos and

573
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:45,440
yeah, it's flashback. Yeah.

574
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:46,720
>> Sarah : Yeah. So.

575
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:47,440
>> Will: Yeah.

576
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,560
>> Sarah : So I don't know when we're gonna get Tommy

577
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,480
present day is what I'm. What I'm

578
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,990
saying. But, Yeah,

579
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:59,470
so, I mean, I

580
00:27:59,470 --> 00:28:02,230
mean really, I just kind

581
00:28:02,230 --> 00:28:04,870
of marathon ran through everything

582
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:06,390
that happened and

583
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,520
I. I mean, unless there was anything else.

584
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,360
I mean, you did raise a good point about the col.

585
00:28:14,220 --> 00:28:16,540
Opening, like the sac. A parent

586
00:28:16,540 --> 00:28:19,540
sacrificing their child for the

587
00:28:19,540 --> 00:28:21,930
better of others. I don't know if you

588
00:28:21,930 --> 00:28:24,570
intentionally said it or not, but you did say that

589
00:28:24,810 --> 00:28:27,050
like Joel and Ellie had that choice.

590
00:28:27,930 --> 00:28:29,450
Ellie did not have a choice.

591
00:28:29,450 --> 00:28:32,010
>> Will: No, no, no, no, no, no.

592
00:28:33,210 --> 00:28:36,090
I guess I may zip through to what I was saying. The

593
00:28:37,290 --> 00:28:39,960
Joel. The choice that Joel had with. With

594
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,240
Ellie is what I'm saying.

595
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,000
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah. The choice Jewel made for

596
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,540
Ellie. that. That is, what the record

597
00:28:46,940 --> 00:28:49,580
shows. yeah. So thanks.

598
00:28:51,820 --> 00:28:52,620
And yeah,

599
00:28:54,610 --> 00:28:57,490
>> Will: Yeah, but I mean, really, like I said, it was. It was. It was.

600
00:28:57,810 --> 00:29:00,810
It was m. Again, when I say it left

601
00:29:00,810 --> 00:29:03,800
me hollow. Left me kind of me. It's

602
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,630
just. I'm, judging it against everything else in the last of us. And there's

603
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:09,630
plenty. There's. There's like

604
00:29:09,630 --> 00:29:12,110
we. As we just discussed. I mean, there's good

605
00:29:12,190 --> 00:29:14,750
moments where they do get into the.

606
00:29:15,390 --> 00:29:18,320
The More into the. The choice. And

607
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,190
then of course, you know, Ellie just going full

608
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:24,140
on ballistic, to, you know,

609
00:29:24,140 --> 00:29:26,300
with. With torches, torturing,

610
00:29:27,130 --> 00:29:29,450
Nora before. You know.

611
00:29:30,170 --> 00:29:33,090
You know, I guess it was one of those things just like I'm gonna get

612
00:29:33,090 --> 00:29:36,080
the answer or I'm, just gonna draw this out like you guys did with

613
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:36,480
Joel.

614
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,280
>> Sarah : Exactly. Yeah.

615
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,200
>> Will: Yeah. So. Yeah. So not very sympathetic

616
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,520
character at this point, but you know, it's.

617
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,800
But you can understand, you know, it goes. It does get to

618
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,400
the discussion that Elliot and. And Dina had as they.

619
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,560
As they were walking as far as like justice

620
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,240
and revenge and all that kind of stuff. So they're, you know, so there were the

621
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,800
themes of what we have dealt with all,

622
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,750
all season. But, but, you know, but

623
00:30:01,750 --> 00:30:04,470
like I said, I think, you know, it was the short. I think it was the

624
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:07,470
shortest episode for the season, so I think it did what

625
00:30:07,470 --> 00:30:10,470
it needed to do. And we'll get the, we'll go to

626
00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:12,340
the, flashback episode next week.

627
00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:18,580
The penultimate. Yeah. I will say one thing, though. I think

628
00:30:20,410 --> 00:30:23,130
we're now a few episodes in,

629
00:30:23,650 --> 00:30:26,080
with Pedro not being on the show.

630
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,040
And it,

631
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,040
I didn't. How does. I don't want to.

632
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,240
It's, it is. It is.

633
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,840
Thankfully, Isabella Merced is just

634
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,970
killing it. Bella's killing it. But, but

635
00:30:42,970 --> 00:30:45,930
I do. And you know, I think a few weeks back I was like, I felt

636
00:30:45,930 --> 00:30:48,050
like this was almost like a second pilot

637
00:30:49,250 --> 00:30:51,970
when we were discussing the, the post Joel world

638
00:30:52,930 --> 00:30:55,770
and, and, and some, you know, so now that we're a few

639
00:30:55,770 --> 00:30:58,610
episodes in, I, I, I do go

640
00:30:58,610 --> 00:31:01,570
back to that comment and say, and, and you know, it's,

641
00:31:01,570 --> 00:31:04,570
yes, it's the same show and

642
00:31:04,570 --> 00:31:07,530
maybe pilot's not the right word, but I do feel like it's

643
00:31:07,530 --> 00:31:10,370
like, it is like a reset into another chapter

644
00:31:10,530 --> 00:31:13,350
of, of, of, clearly it's another chapter,

645
00:31:13,810 --> 00:31:16,680
for this story. And, and so I, so

646
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,160
as still trying to get myself

647
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,560
oriented around that.

648
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,360
>> Sarah : So you still m. You miss Pedro and

649
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,329
think that, his absence has, has left

650
00:31:27,330 --> 00:31:30,260
like a big, a big, ah,

651
00:31:30,260 --> 00:31:32,330
hole in this for me.

652
00:31:32,330 --> 00:31:32,690
>> Will: It does.

653
00:31:34,050 --> 00:31:36,850
>> Sarah : Yeah. I can, it's, it's hard for me

654
00:31:36,850 --> 00:31:38,880
to say for, for sure. If,

655
00:31:40,180 --> 00:31:42,940
I, I will say that I

656
00:31:42,940 --> 00:31:45,940
think. Hey, hey, hey.

657
00:31:45,940 --> 00:31:48,900
I, if, if you're not gonna go there, I will go there.

658
00:31:49,940 --> 00:31:52,780
I honestly, I don't have as big of

659
00:31:52,780 --> 00:31:55,620
a problem with Pedro not being around as

660
00:31:55,620 --> 00:31:58,550
I do with. I think people are giving, Bella

661
00:31:58,550 --> 00:32:00,750
Ramsey a bit too much credit.

662
00:32:01,790 --> 00:32:04,550
I don't think she's as good this season as she

663
00:32:04,550 --> 00:32:07,260
was last season. M.

664
00:32:07,530 --> 00:32:10,530
So, So I guess I could make the argument

665
00:32:10,530 --> 00:32:13,250
that people saying that this

666
00:32:13,250 --> 00:32:15,690
season is not as good because

667
00:32:15,770 --> 00:32:18,330
Pedro gets killed off in episode two.

668
00:32:18,890 --> 00:32:21,729
Well, I think what they're missing is

669
00:32:21,729 --> 00:32:24,170
Bella works really good with Pedro.

670
00:32:24,730 --> 00:32:27,530
I think that's, and even though I

671
00:32:27,530 --> 00:32:30,530
will say the chemistry between Ellie and

672
00:32:30,530 --> 00:32:33,380
Dina, really good. Really

673
00:32:33,380 --> 00:32:35,660
good. But that's not what this show is about

674
00:32:36,940 --> 00:32:37,900
in some moments.

675
00:32:38,540 --> 00:32:39,020
>> Will: Yeah.

676
00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:44,100
>> Sarah : So I, I just, I, I, I

677
00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:46,980
feel like people are giving her a

678
00:32:46,980 --> 00:32:49,820
bit too much credit. And I don't

679
00:32:50,060 --> 00:32:52,900
like, even in this episode, I, I gave her one

680
00:32:52,900 --> 00:32:55,180
shout out, but by the end of it,

681
00:32:55,580 --> 00:32:58,440
she, she's, she's too dead in the eyes

682
00:32:58,970 --> 00:33:01,850
sometimes. Like and that's what gets

683
00:33:01,850 --> 00:33:04,490
me is where I, I love actors

684
00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:07,330
who I can see their emotions play out in the

685
00:33:07,330 --> 00:33:10,130
eyes, and for whatever reason, she

686
00:33:10,130 --> 00:33:13,050
is too dead in there, where

687
00:33:13,690 --> 00:33:16,450
I just, I'm just like, I don't

688
00:33:16,450 --> 00:33:19,410
know how you're feeling, but this is how you're

689
00:33:19,410 --> 00:33:22,370
behaving, which, in one episode it's being a

690
00:33:22,370 --> 00:33:25,290
complete brat. In another episode, she's a complete liar.

691
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,760
So, So I don't. I

692
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,310
don't know. but, but yeah, I, I.

693
00:33:31,550 --> 00:33:34,550
And, and I will. I'm just gonna put this out

694
00:33:34,550 --> 00:33:37,430
here. No, I've never played the game. We all know this. But

695
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:40,270
I have seen all the couch cutscenes. and I do know

696
00:33:40,270 --> 00:33:43,190
what happens, and I do have fondness for the story.

697
00:33:43,270 --> 00:33:46,090
Overall. Both. Both, Game One and Game

698
00:33:46,090 --> 00:33:49,050
Two, everything that

699
00:33:49,050 --> 00:33:51,890
viewers who have no experience with the game,

700
00:33:52,930 --> 00:33:55,930
specifically Game Two, are going through with all

701
00:33:55,930 --> 00:33:58,890
of their emotions is exactly what a lot of

702
00:33:58,890 --> 00:34:01,010
people playing the game felt as well.

703
00:34:01,490 --> 00:34:01,970
>> Will: Yeah,

704
00:34:06,850 --> 00:34:09,170
completely. Yeah, I think, yeah, that. That is

705
00:34:09,170 --> 00:34:12,050
completely. Yeah. What I, what I think I am

706
00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:14,930
feeling now as someone who's just experiencing this world via live

707
00:34:14,930 --> 00:34:17,760
action. But, I have read a few. I have. I have

708
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,740
read some, things about it. Maybe they even mentioned that on.

709
00:34:20,820 --> 00:34:23,300
Oh, no, they didn't mention on the official podcast. But,

710
00:34:23,690 --> 00:34:26,650
but I have seen that sentiment out there. It's like, yeah, just welcome to whatever

711
00:34:26,650 --> 00:34:28,090
all the game players felt, part two.

712
00:34:28,570 --> 00:34:31,330
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, it's just like. It's just like

713
00:34:31,330 --> 00:34:34,020
Game of Thrones, when watching,

714
00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:37,100
watching that show, a lot of people pointed out

715
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:39,860
like, oh, you finally got to that episode. Cool,

716
00:34:41,460 --> 00:34:43,780
welcome. That was me 10 years ago.

717
00:34:46,410 --> 00:34:49,210
So it's just the.

718
00:34:50,250 --> 00:34:52,890
When you have characters and they,

719
00:34:53,210 --> 00:34:55,970
they die, of course there's going to be

720
00:34:55,970 --> 00:34:58,490
absence and holes and everything,

721
00:34:58,650 --> 00:35:01,650
but it's just. It's

722
00:35:01,650 --> 00:35:04,450
just if the characters that remain, if

723
00:35:04,450 --> 00:35:07,180
you're still curious, which. And.

724
00:35:07,180 --> 00:35:09,820
And that's another thing. They're very much focused on

725
00:35:09,820 --> 00:35:12,320
Ellie and Dina. We've got a lot of led.

726
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,440
I already mentioned earlier, haven't seen Tommy.

727
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,120
No. No Abby sighting at all.

728
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:22,640
None. Like, we're learning

729
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,000
Isaac has been in two scenes,

730
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,960
maybe like three scenes. So there's a lot

731
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,920
of characters. And I think, I think to your point about

732
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,560
the whole, like, second pilot,

733
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,040
what we've gotten sent Post Joel

734
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,840
Post Jackson is a lot of world building.

735
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,160
The world of Seattle, this battle between

736
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,760
the WLF and the Seraphites.

737
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,000
And, And I think, I think that

738
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,320
it's a lot of setup.

739
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,720
that that is really going

740
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,840
to. Is all working towards. Not the end of the

741
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,720
season, but it's mainly working towards what will

742
00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:03,040
happen in season three. Three.

743
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,480
>> Will: Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Which is.

744
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,290
Which I think, is. I think as Bellamer said, this share some

745
00:36:09,290 --> 00:36:12,250
info about when they're starting they're going to film that. So it might

746
00:36:12,250 --> 00:36:15,090
be. It's going to be a moment before we get to season three.

747
00:36:15,330 --> 00:36:17,570
Ah, maybe like 2027. So

748
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:20,700
based on schedules and everything else. So.

749
00:36:21,820 --> 00:36:23,340
>> Sarah : Well, yep.

750
00:36:25,580 --> 00:36:27,900
I'm very curious about season three.

751
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:29,430
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

752
00:36:29,830 --> 00:36:32,590
>> Sarah : But. All right, well that leads us

753
00:36:32,590 --> 00:36:35,430
into Andor episode seven,

754
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:38,630
Messenger. Episode eight. Where

755
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:41,550
are you? what is episode eight called?

756
00:36:41,710 --> 00:36:42,070
>> Will: Who.

757
00:36:42,070 --> 00:36:44,990
>> Sarah : Who are you? Who are you? Episode nine.

758
00:36:44,990 --> 00:36:46,350
Welcome to the Rebellion.

759
00:36:47,740 --> 00:36:50,740
now, now we already agreed we were gonna go

760
00:36:50,740 --> 00:36:53,400
through this, plot point by plot point and

761
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,160
we're just going to start with the Gorman event.

762
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,920
so, so Will, what are your thoughts about this event?

763
00:37:02,900 --> 00:37:05,610
>> Will: you would have to start with Gorman, but I, I,

764
00:37:05,850 --> 00:37:08,770
Well, I'll just step back just for. Well, I will

765
00:37:08,770 --> 00:37:10,250
say this about the Gorman event.

766
00:37:12,970 --> 00:37:14,730
So whenever we

767
00:37:16,330 --> 00:37:19,090
learned that this block of episodes

768
00:37:19,090 --> 00:37:21,290
was going to be the

769
00:37:23,850 --> 00:37:26,650
episodes top

770
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line was 2 BBY.

771
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So fans of Star wars

772
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who, who watch Rebels are familiar

773
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with it. That that was the

774
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year that Mon Motha

775
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has leaves a speech as gives a speech

776
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and leads to rebellion. and if

777
00:37:47,340 --> 00:37:50,180
folks who watched that,

778
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this, who watched Rebels is fully familiar with it.

779
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I know as I, After I watched these three episodes,

780
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I immediately went to watch

781
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Rebels again because I wanted to see this

782
00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:04,430
episode 318, called Secret Cargo.

783
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and go. Go check it out if you are interested

784
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in seeing what she says, whatever

785
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she is finally

786
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with the Rebellion, and pulling everyone together as

787
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far as the Alliance. So

788
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I, you know, so this episode, you know, so this

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00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,190
scene, the whole. Everything about it

790
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basically fully.

791
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It was as, as. As much as I

792
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imagined how bad it was going to be.

793
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They, it. It from the emotional

794
00:38:38,970 --> 00:38:41,660
standpoint, from the The whole

795
00:38:41,660 --> 00:38:44,460
setup with it. As far as an episode. You know,

796
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we've, We've. The preceding episodes have like

797
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built up to this as far as the arcs. As far as we

798
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saw the, you know, I, I

799
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laid, you know, they laid the foundation with the

800
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With the propaganda machine as far as just talking about

801
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the You know, the gore.

802
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The gore. And And you know,

803
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we see it in the beginning of this EP

804
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with the media, you know, parroting

805
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the. The. The scripted line as far as, you know,

806
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the, the insurgencies and the people there

807
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and all that, so all the things were just building up

808
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to this moment. And then of course, both part of Gas and

809
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Lutheran using their, you know, the

810
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isb, having their plan to like, get this,

811
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to set this moment off. And then of course Lutheran also

812
00:39:31,230 --> 00:39:33,890
doing his things as far as wanting

813
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the wanting this event to happen.

814
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and even, you know, he would even been disappointed if like, by some

815
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chance that Mon Motha was successful in the Senate to

816
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like, you know, be able to get the

817
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legislation passed to like,

818
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get this, you know, get the Empire, you know,

819
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off the, the, you know, setting

820
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things in motion to, to mind the cocaine.

821
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So everything about it was just

822
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executed flawlessly. And,

823
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and, and it had the, it had the, it had the, the

824
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visceral brutality of it all

825
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as far as, you know, as they were lining everything up and in

826
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the prior episodes and then basically putting, putting the

827
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barricades up and just basically marching these poor souls into a

828
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kill box. And so everything about

829
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that, it just worked

830
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really well to the point where even after, after,

831
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you know, watching episode eight, I, I, I,

832
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I, I, you know, Cassian was leaving

833
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and you know, shed that tear. I was, I was,

834
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I was doing that too because I, I was truly,

835
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truly

836
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captured the, the emotions of, of the moment

837
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and just the, these, the intensity of

838
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it all. And, and I think it was just, and the reason

839
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why it was such, was

840
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set up so well that when it did

841
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finally happen, it had the

842
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emotional impact that, that, that it was intended

843
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to have.

844
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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, it, it had an impact

845
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on people.

846
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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, well, yeah,

847
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I know, I know. Commercials messed up your,

848
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your experience with it.

849
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>> Sarah : Well, I don't know if I, that wasn't the only

850
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thing. I mean, I, I have Disney plus with

851
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,000
commercials, so it kept interrupting and every time

852
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we'd go back to it, I would see their

853
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cereal standing in the middle of the

854
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whole scene, just looking out

855
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bewildered and, and, and

856
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shots firing, but never hitting Cyril

857
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and then, or Cassie and just, just

858
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like wandering around also never

859
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getting shot. It's

860
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like, like that's the thing with Star Wars.

861
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The Stormtroopers and the Imperial,

862
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they, the Empire, they are not good

863
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marksmen because the main

864
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characters never get shot.

865
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The people who aren't. It never ceases.

866
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So, so there was that. And also

867
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I, I, I, I know what you're

868
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,000
saying about the setup and everything. Setup didn't work for

869
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me mainly because I guess

870
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I just, there

871
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was something, how it all played out in the,

872
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these episodes. I like a portion of it,

873
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mainly the propaganda stuff about it. I

874
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,920
thought that was Pretty smart and an interesting angle,

875
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:42,190
but. But by the end, where even rye

876
00:42:42,190 --> 00:42:45,030
lands, goes in there and. And is

877
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looking around and it's like, oh, oh, well, this is a

878
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trap. And he starts to warn people. Nobody takes

879
00:42:50,990 --> 00:42:53,790
them seriously by that point. So I'm just

880
00:42:53,790 --> 00:42:56,790
thinking to myself, I'm like, oh, you're all gonna die. So,

881
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like, I'm just curious of how

882
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Cassie is gonna get out of this the

883
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whole time. Like, I don't know. There was something

884
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about it, which. Which for me, who

885
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doesn't know I haven't watched Rebels, you know, this.

886
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,240
I. I don't have that much stake in the whole

887
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history here. I

888
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also, in terms of

889
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production, I thought it was really

890
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weird or really strange how they

891
00:43:25,420 --> 00:43:28,100
didn't play any. Any sort of

892
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instrumental. Like, yes, you heard.

893
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You heard the rioting calls. which also

894
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changed halfway through. And then I was

895
00:43:36,810 --> 00:43:39,650
just left trying to figure out, well, why didn't you lead with

896
00:43:39,650 --> 00:43:41,770
that one? Like, your actual,

897
00:43:42,330 --> 00:43:44,890
like, home language. That would have been more

898
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like, I think more of a. Of

899
00:43:48,490 --> 00:43:51,320
a, of a war cry. But no, they led

900
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with a different one, which

901
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,040
led me down to different. I spiraled about for a different

902
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,800
reason that I'm not going to get into. But. But

903
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,720
yeah, there. There was stuff about it where it

904
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:04,440
didn't work. Now.

905
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Now, the. The more interesting thing to me

906
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,240
is, of course, zero. And that's another

907
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,260
reason why I'm, mad, is because they

908
00:44:14,260 --> 00:44:16,980
killed him, but they also killed him in the best way

909
00:44:16,980 --> 00:44:19,860
possible. Like, I.

910
00:44:20,020 --> 00:44:22,900
Like the. I. I've heard some people talk

911
00:44:22,900 --> 00:44:23,460
about this.

912
00:44:24,270 --> 00:44:24,510
>> Will: The.

913
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>> Sarah : The fact that this character we have

914
00:44:27,710 --> 00:44:30,550
spent so much time with for a

915
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:33,070
season and a half, and we've never really

916
00:44:33,150 --> 00:44:36,070
liked him. We know he's working on the

917
00:44:36,070 --> 00:44:38,950
wrong team, but he's able

918
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:41,830
to, in this. These three episodes too, or

919
00:44:41,830 --> 00:44:44,590
these two episodes that he's a part of, at least

920
00:44:45,230 --> 00:44:47,950
become woke and aware.

921
00:44:48,750 --> 00:44:50,990
And then the disillusionment,

922
00:44:52,260 --> 00:44:54,820
I. I thought was really interesting. And I also,

923
00:44:55,700 --> 00:44:58,260
I. I honestly wish we had.

924
00:44:59,460 --> 00:45:02,380
I'm sorry. You guys can say I'm cold. I am dead

925
00:45:02,380 --> 00:45:05,300
inside. But honestly, I.

926
00:45:06,340 --> 00:45:09,220
Again, I find what they do with the Empire

927
00:45:09,460 --> 00:45:12,460
so much more interesting than anything else going on

928
00:45:12,460 --> 00:45:15,300
in this show where I was.

929
00:45:15,460 --> 00:45:18,460
I was taken aback when we even saw Deirdre

930
00:45:18,460 --> 00:45:21,030
break down at the end of the episode.

931
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:24,110
Like, I was like, why aren't we spending more time

932
00:45:24,110 --> 00:45:26,950
exploring what's going on there? I mean, you see

933
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:29,870
bits and pieces, and maybe that's why I like it where

934
00:45:29,870 --> 00:45:32,510
it's not overdone. And overly

935
00:45:32,510 --> 00:45:35,270
communicated what's going on? But,

936
00:45:35,590 --> 00:45:38,550
but I was just like, okay,

937
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:41,790
so, so you, you do know what you're

938
00:45:41,790 --> 00:45:44,550
doing is like, what's happening is bad.

939
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:46,740
Okay, okay, so what does that mean?

940
00:45:47,460 --> 00:45:49,780
What does that mean for you as a character, though?

941
00:45:50,340 --> 00:45:52,660
and the same thing with Cyril. So,

942
00:45:53,060 --> 00:45:55,900
like, I just did a full stream of consciousness. I

943
00:45:55,900 --> 00:45:58,820
hope, I hope y' all were able to follow everything I have

944
00:45:58,820 --> 00:46:01,740
to say. but, but Will wasn't chiming

945
00:46:01,740 --> 00:46:04,500
in to take me off course, so. No,

946
00:46:04,980 --> 00:46:06,260
what I'm doing right now.

947
00:46:07,300 --> 00:46:10,190
>> Will: No, no, I, I, I was, I,

948
00:46:10,270 --> 00:46:13,110
I think you're right in the sense to your

949
00:46:13,110 --> 00:46:14,750
point. They,

950
00:46:16,030 --> 00:46:18,710
what they did, and I think this is why I think it

951
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:21,550
works so well, is they do

952
00:46:21,630 --> 00:46:23,470
make, they don't make these

953
00:46:24,270 --> 00:46:27,230
just traditional mustache twirling villains.

954
00:46:27,870 --> 00:46:28,270
>> Sarah : Right?

955
00:46:28,990 --> 00:46:31,950
>> Will: And, and they really did show

956
00:46:32,750 --> 00:46:35,750
the impact of this event. You

957
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:38,740
know, for example, with Cyril, you know, he, you

958
00:46:38,740 --> 00:46:41,580
know, once he, you know, he, once he realized, like, you know, we

959
00:46:41,580 --> 00:46:42,900
go back to episode seven,

960
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,440
and in episode eight, as far as just the set

961
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,280
pieces with the event, like, whenever

962
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,800
he is, you know, whenever he is on there,

963
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,120
and, and whenever

964
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,120
Cyril starts to question, dead real, like, he realized, he started

965
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,040
to realize, like, you're not telling me everything.

966
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:02,160
>> Sarah : Right.

967
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,280
>> Will: And, and, and so it's that realization, like,

968
00:47:05,810 --> 00:47:08,610
oh, all this time, Cyril's like a very law and

969
00:47:08,610 --> 00:47:11,570
order kind of guy. You know, he's, yeah, he, he.

970
00:47:11,570 --> 00:47:14,490
And, and, and it's that pat. It

971
00:47:14,490 --> 00:47:17,290
is, it's, but it, but he also

972
00:47:17,290 --> 00:47:20,050
had, I guess his, his moral center of order

973
00:47:21,090 --> 00:47:23,970
is not, you know, he starts to see

974
00:47:23,970 --> 00:47:26,890
through the, you know, he's starting to see that he's being manipulated.

975
00:47:26,890 --> 00:47:29,730
He's starting to see, like, wait a minute, they're doing these things.

976
00:47:30,130 --> 00:47:33,050
And even the person that I love, that I'm in love

977
00:47:33,050 --> 00:47:35,850
with also, it's been manipulated

978
00:47:35,850 --> 00:47:38,850
me. And, and, you know,

979
00:47:38,850 --> 00:47:41,810
he's been playing along all this time, but then he backs the questions. It's

980
00:47:41,810 --> 00:47:44,730
like, you know, whenever she, like, says this, when Deadra

981
00:47:44,730 --> 00:47:47,130
says, this year, good things are waiting for us, we will be for work

982
00:47:47,130 --> 00:47:50,130
rewarded. And then he, like, question, he's like, for what?

983
00:47:50,130 --> 00:47:51,330
What have we accomplished?

984
00:47:51,490 --> 00:47:51,850
>> Sarah : Yeah.

985
00:47:51,850 --> 00:47:54,730
>> Will: And so, yeah, so, so

986
00:47:54,730 --> 00:47:57,570
to your point, why. That's why that

987
00:47:57,570 --> 00:48:00,380
storyline is working and it's working for you,

988
00:48:00,380 --> 00:48:03,180
is because they're making them fully realized

989
00:48:03,180 --> 00:48:05,180
people instead of just like mustache

990
00:48:05,820 --> 00:48:07,980
villains who are just evil for evil's sake.

991
00:48:08,700 --> 00:48:11,540
>> Sarah : Right, right. Which, which they showed with the

992
00:48:11,540 --> 00:48:12,620
other members.

993
00:48:14,300 --> 00:48:16,900
>> Will: Oh, yeah. Oh, Captain Kaido. Yeah. I mean, yeah,

994
00:48:16,900 --> 00:48:18,220
yeah, yeah, yeah.

995
00:48:20,060 --> 00:48:22,980
>> Sarah : And it was even more highlighted, I think, in

996
00:48:22,980 --> 00:48:25,730
the, In the next episode, welcome to the

997
00:48:25,730 --> 00:48:28,610
Rebellion. Because, I mean, I

998
00:48:28,610 --> 00:48:31,050
pointed out all the conveniences that

999
00:48:31,050 --> 00:48:33,450
occurred during the last of us.

1000
00:48:34,170 --> 00:48:37,080
And, And as much as I. I

1001
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,920
did, like. I did really like, welcome to the

1002
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,160
Rebellion, but there were a lot of

1003
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,640
conveniences happening.

1004
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,520
I was like, I don't know why

1005
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,480
we. Like, this is. I don't feel

1006
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,420
any urgency right now. I knows she's gonna

1007
00:48:54,420 --> 00:48:57,420
leave. I know. Like, like, it just. And. And

1008
00:48:57,420 --> 00:49:00,340
I was just, like, thinking in my head. They

1009
00:49:00,340 --> 00:49:02,100
just spent arguably

1010
00:49:03,540 --> 00:49:05,940
six episodes, if not more.

1011
00:49:06,660 --> 00:49:09,459
All these episodes kind

1012
00:49:09,459 --> 00:49:12,420
of. Kind of showing. And we were talking about

1013
00:49:12,420 --> 00:49:15,350
this a little bit last week with, Pat. Cigar. Pat

1014
00:49:15,350 --> 00:49:18,110
Sager, whatever. Pat. I'm gonna call him

1015
00:49:18,110 --> 00:49:21,090
Pat. Patrick. Yeah, I'm gonna call him Pat.

1016
00:49:21,970 --> 00:49:24,210
Like, how strategic

1017
00:49:24,770 --> 00:49:27,250
the Empire was being, especially with

1018
00:49:27,250 --> 00:49:30,210
Gorman, and how, like, the spy

1019
00:49:30,370 --> 00:49:32,610
and the espionage that was occurring

1020
00:49:33,170 --> 00:49:36,050
last week and then the build up here where

1021
00:49:36,210 --> 00:49:39,130
by the time people figured out what was really going on, it was

1022
00:49:39,130 --> 00:49:40,930
all too late. Like, they had won.

1023
00:49:42,130 --> 00:49:45,090
Well, in episode nine,

1024
00:49:45,330 --> 00:49:48,290
it just felt like every. Like, like,

1025
00:49:48,930 --> 00:49:51,490
like we're just gonna also show you how

1026
00:49:51,490 --> 00:49:54,330
stupid the Empire can be and

1027
00:49:54,330 --> 00:49:57,090
how easy it is to get around all of

1028
00:49:57,090 --> 00:49:59,930
these safeguards they have in place that

1029
00:49:59,930 --> 00:50:02,880
conveniently go awry, when they

1030
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,760
want to get Mon Mothma, like, to give her speech

1031
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,640
and then get out of there without any problems. I

1032
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,500
was just like, what are we doing here?

1033
00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:15,270
Like, like, two steps for forward, three

1034
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:17,710
steps back. It's just like,

1035
00:50:19,150 --> 00:50:22,070
be. Because it's also, like, to

1036
00:50:22,070 --> 00:50:25,030
your point, about, like, they're creating the villains. That's not

1037
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:27,150
Mustach. Well,

1038
00:50:27,390 --> 00:50:30,189
Cyril's dead now, and

1039
00:50:30,189 --> 00:50:32,830
Deidra we don't see at all in the next

1040
00:50:32,830 --> 00:50:35,070
episode. Like, like,

1041
00:50:35,630 --> 00:50:38,430
there's another reason why those characters work as

1042
00:50:38,430 --> 00:50:41,270
villains is because we see. Seen them. We've gone

1043
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:44,230
along with them. Like, like, it

1044
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:46,750
allows them to get flushed back. And now in

1045
00:50:46,750 --> 00:50:49,550
episode nine, the villain is

1046
00:50:49,550 --> 00:50:52,230
the emperor. Is the Empire.

1047
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:55,430
Like, it's more of a collective, as

1048
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:58,270
opposed to these. These characters who

1049
00:50:58,270 --> 00:51:01,230
you can truly like point at and be

1050
00:51:01,230 --> 00:51:04,030
like, I don't like you, even though I understand where

1051
00:51:04,030 --> 00:51:04,870
you're coming from.

1052
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,440
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, as far as welcome to the

1053
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,400
Rebellion, I think the. The. I. I

1054
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,600
get what you're saying about the,

1055
00:51:14,180 --> 00:51:17,130
conveniences. And. And they were. But I

1056
00:51:17,130 --> 00:51:19,890
think, you know, that, you know, I think Lutheran and.

1057
00:51:20,050 --> 00:51:22,210
Yeah, because, you know, like, here's what, you know, Lutheran

1058
00:51:23,010 --> 00:51:24,930
set a lot of these things in motion,

1059
00:51:25,970 --> 00:51:28,840
way back, you know, for Example having Lot. You know,

1060
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,640
having Lonnie's, The empty

1061
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,020
m. The. The mole in the

1062
00:51:34,020 --> 00:51:36,850
isb, have his agent be part of

1063
00:51:36,850 --> 00:51:39,530
Bell Organis team. You know, and he, you know, so

1064
00:51:40,090 --> 00:51:42,730
making sure that that per. You know, it was.

1065
00:51:43,690 --> 00:51:46,570
All the things were like set up so that

1066
00:51:46,890 --> 00:51:49,810
as the tent. Because I. You know, for me, episode nine had

1067
00:51:49,810 --> 00:51:52,450
had a lot of good tension and stuff. Even though I knew the

1068
00:51:52,450 --> 00:51:55,370
outcome, all the execution of it

1069
00:51:55,370 --> 00:51:58,190
was just to. Yeah, it was just

1070
00:51:58,430 --> 00:52:00,900
a What I would call payoff for

1071
00:52:01,380 --> 00:52:04,380
all the things that have led to that moment. So.

1072
00:52:04,380 --> 00:52:07,380
Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. They were.

1073
00:52:07,540 --> 00:52:09,620
They were clear

1074
00:52:09,700 --> 00:52:12,500
conveniences of. But.

1075
00:52:12,500 --> 00:52:15,500
But to me it was sort of like is. Here's the. You

1076
00:52:15,500 --> 00:52:18,300
know, they have been looking forward to this moment and

1077
00:52:18,300 --> 00:52:21,300
of course it. And even to the point where when

1078
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,680
Bill Organa and. And my month that

1079
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,530
were talking, that he's like, you know, I won't see you

1080
00:52:27,530 --> 00:52:30,290
on Yavin because I gotta stay back here and

1081
00:52:30,290 --> 00:52:32,770
continue the work here in the Senate to like.

1082
00:52:33,890 --> 00:52:36,770
Because the time. The Things aren't

1083
00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:40,170
yet right for us to. To strike. As far as

1084
00:52:40,170 --> 00:52:42,930
the. The Alliance. So for me, it was just a

1085
00:52:43,250 --> 00:52:46,170
really good. Yes, there was conveniences, but it. But

1086
00:52:46,170 --> 00:52:48,990
it was earned conveniences because they had laid the foundation

1087
00:52:48,990 --> 00:52:49,510
for it.

1088
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:54,480
>> Sarah : what else do you want to talk about?

1089
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:59,390
>> Will: well, I mean, there's obviously the protagonist

1090
00:52:59,390 --> 00:53:02,390
himself. I mean Cassian and. And his. His journey.

1091
00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:05,990
you know, when we. When we first see. See them

1092
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:08,560
on. In episode seven, to go back to the

1093
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,200
messenger. and his role as far as,

1094
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,400
The question of whether or not, you know, something that

1095
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,760
kept going up back and forth

1096
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,520
with. In that episode is. Is

1097
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,240
whether or not it's fate or

1098
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,030
destiny. you know, we do finally do get some.

1099
00:53:26,190 --> 00:53:28,830
You know, we get the. The force healer

1100
00:53:29,870 --> 00:53:32,660
and You know, in the. In the episode.

1101
00:53:32,660 --> 00:53:35,660
In this episode. And. And. And. And you know,

1102
00:53:35,660 --> 00:53:38,060
and I like. I like Cassian's reaction to it because

1103
00:53:39,170 --> 00:53:41,090
not only was. He's, you know,

1104
00:53:42,590 --> 00:53:45,520
skeptical of it, because, you know, he. You know, he

1105
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,360
remembers back to, you know, when Marvel was ill

1106
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,200
and they tried to use these force healers and stuff. It was just like a

1107
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,119
scam and all that. So. And then whenever she

1108
00:53:54,119 --> 00:53:56,960
sees that, you know, whenever she touches him and.

1109
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,720
And. And you know, and it helps

1110
00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:02,560
provide her clarity and stuff. Even though at that moment

1111
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,380
it didn't provide clarity for Cassian, it did provide

1112
00:54:05,380 --> 00:54:08,260
some clarity to. For Bix as far as, you

1113
00:54:08,260 --> 00:54:11,020
know, that his.

1114
00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:13,420
Their journeys are not.

1115
00:54:14,060 --> 00:54:16,940
Their journeys are in Order for the rebellion to go

1116
00:54:16,940 --> 00:54:19,890
forward. She's, gonna. They're gonna have

1117
00:54:19,890 --> 00:54:21,370
to sacrifice their relationship,

1118
00:54:23,350 --> 00:54:25,350
in order for him to. To continue

1119
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:28,950
the. The path towards rebellion. Because, I mean, all throughout the

1120
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:31,910
episode, Cassian's like, I'm done. I'm tired. I'm ready to just

1121
00:54:32,260 --> 00:54:35,220
bell on this kind of stuff. You know, he's done with Lutheran.

1122
00:54:35,540 --> 00:54:36,660
He's done with it all.

1123
00:54:36,820 --> 00:54:37,220
>> Sarah : And.

1124
00:54:37,620 --> 00:54:40,340
>> Will: And so I really liked how they.

1125
00:54:40,740 --> 00:54:43,300
How they framed that to. To really,

1126
00:54:44,020 --> 00:54:46,950
you know, show, You know, you know, again,

1127
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:49,670
to go. One of the themes that I've. That I've

1128
00:54:49,830 --> 00:54:52,750
seen throughout this series is. Is. Has been the theme of

1129
00:54:52,750 --> 00:54:55,720
sacrifice. And, you know, so of course we saw the

1130
00:54:55,720 --> 00:54:58,480
sacrifice with M. Mon and episode nine, as far

1131
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,360
as you finally hit the

1132
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,360
realization that she, you know,

1133
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,360
when given that speech, she was, you know, basically sacrificing her

1134
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,220
career, her family, you know, other. Other,

1135
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:13,830
Other things. But, you know, for the

1136
00:55:13,830 --> 00:55:16,470
rebel, for, you know, for the cause,

1137
00:55:16,550 --> 00:55:19,470
and Cassian was having to do the same thing too. And then, of course, when

1138
00:55:19,470 --> 00:55:22,310
we get to. To the final episode, when Big Sleep gives him that.

1139
00:55:22,310 --> 00:55:25,030
Gives him that. That. That message, it.

1140
00:55:25,110 --> 00:55:28,020
It definitely, you know, really, you

1141
00:55:28,020 --> 00:55:30,540
know, reinforces, you know,

1142
00:55:31,020 --> 00:55:34,020
that. You know, that there's no way that. That for

1143
00:55:34,020 --> 00:55:36,930
now they're gonna have to like, So she's gonna have, you know,

1144
00:55:36,930 --> 00:55:39,810
they're gonna have to sacrifice their happiness for. For. For the

1145
00:55:39,810 --> 00:55:42,570
calls, for the. For the win. And so for me, it just

1146
00:55:42,570 --> 00:55:45,210
really, really resonated with that. And also. I know,

1147
00:55:45,450 --> 00:55:48,430
I know last week you were saying as far as it was hard for you

1148
00:55:48,430 --> 00:55:51,430
to, you know, get invested with Cassian and Bix, as far

1149
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:54,430
as. I'm paraphrasing here, of course, but, you know, you thought they

1150
00:55:54,430 --> 00:55:56,870
were there the moment at the end of Rogue One.

1151
00:55:57,510 --> 00:56:00,470
Was he. Whether or not he was cheating or not on picks.

1152
00:56:00,470 --> 00:56:02,880
I mean, clearly he wasn't. He's just, She.

1153
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,240
>> Sarah : Was cheating on Vix.

1154
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,000
>> Will: Well, yeah, but,

1155
00:56:09,110 --> 00:56:11,820
>> Sarah : I didn't know how much time, how much I could spend

1156
00:56:11,820 --> 00:56:14,620
invested in their dynamic when I

1157
00:56:14,620 --> 00:56:17,420
knew she wasn't around for Rogue One. And

1158
00:56:17,580 --> 00:56:19,260
so I felt.

1159
00:56:21,100 --> 00:56:23,980
Me. I felt more like,

1160
00:56:23,980 --> 00:56:26,900
oh, so. So they knew viewers

1161
00:56:26,900 --> 00:56:29,860
would suspect that Bix is gonna die. Like I was

1162
00:56:29,860 --> 00:56:32,780
suspecting by the end of this. This show because

1163
00:56:32,780 --> 00:56:35,620
she's not in Rogue One. So instead we're gonna do

1164
00:56:35,620 --> 00:56:38,560
this other thing and randomly. And I'm

1165
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,480
gonna say randomly because I. I thought it kind of came

1166
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,360
out of nowhere. I mean, I. I'm. I'm

1167
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,360
not Stupid. I. I can. I did watch

1168
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,480
the episodes, so I do know the

1169
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,280
foreshadowing that they did, but I don't think they did

1170
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,160
enough of it. And I don't think it was very clear.

1171
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,960
But this is, again, a problem I've had with

1172
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,480
this whole relationship since the first

1173
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,440
episode. This season is where it has felt

1174
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,370
very like, I don't know if I'm

1175
00:57:06,370 --> 00:57:09,210
supposed to be rooting for you guys or against each other, because

1176
00:57:09,210 --> 00:57:11,730
in one moment you're kissing, in the next moment you're.

1177
00:57:11,890 --> 00:57:14,800
You're fighting. And, there's a lot of, like,

1178
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,440
anger and distrust and. And Bix had to work through

1179
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,280
her ptsd, and it seemed like, in

1180
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,160
a way, she got what she needed, and then she

1181
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,160
bailed. Like. Like. And

1182
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,880
I get it, the whole sacrifice, but Cassian

1183
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,800
didn't sacrifice it. Bix made that choice for him.

1184
00:57:33,390 --> 00:57:33,630
>> Will: And.

1185
00:57:34,350 --> 00:57:37,230
>> Sarah : And it's also like. Like,

1186
00:57:37,470 --> 00:57:40,430
we. We get introduced to Cassie, and he's trying to find a

1187
00:57:40,430 --> 00:57:43,350
sister, so. So

1188
00:57:43,350 --> 00:57:46,310
now he's gonna try to also be trying to

1189
00:57:46,310 --> 00:57:48,510
find Bix for three episodes,

1190
00:57:49,070 --> 00:57:51,870
but he's not gonna find her. Like,

1191
00:57:52,510 --> 00:57:54,430
I don't know where I'm going with this.

1192
00:57:54,830 --> 00:57:55,390
>> Will: I don't.

1193
00:57:55,630 --> 00:57:56,230
>> Sarah : But, yes.

1194
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:59,150
>> Will: Yeah. No, I mean, to your.

1195
00:57:59,150 --> 00:58:01,880
I mean, to. What you said there was very important.

1196
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,800
I mean, she. She knew that he could not make the choice, so she

1197
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,800
had to make that choice because otherwise he

1198
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,800
would not. He would not stick around

1199
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,720
and go. And, you know. And the episode kind of

1200
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,600
ends with that, with, you know, whenever they want

1201
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,910
him to, come to, you know,

1202
00:58:20,030 --> 00:58:23,030
see the reactivation of K2. It was like, you know, they address

1203
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:25,990
him Captain. Captain Andor. So, I mean, it was. It

1204
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:28,250
was, you know, so they.

1205
00:58:29,130 --> 00:58:32,090
She had, you know, she had to nudge him to. To do it.

1206
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:32,880
so.

1207
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,600
>> Sarah : Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1208
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,480
I. I'm not arguing that at all. It just.

1209
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,720
I thought it was kind of an easy way

1210
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:42,960
out for the writers

1211
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,120
to. To make sure she wasn't in the. In the

1212
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,720
next three episodes or in Rogue One.

1213
00:58:52,260 --> 00:58:52,660
sure.

1214
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:53,760
>> Will: Yeah.

1215
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,640
>> Sarah : And to resolve this relationship, which we should

1216
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,640
have been rooting for, but I have been questioning this

1217
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,560
whole time, so I was more

1218
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,000
on board with Deidre and Cyril.

1219
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:06,360
>> Will: Well, yeah.

1220
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:07,400
>> Sarah : Better.

1221
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,200
>> Will: Yeah. I mean, as far as relationships go in the. In

1222
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,080
this series, they. You know, they definitely. I

1223
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,960
think that's part of whenever she was having her panic attack. You know,

1224
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,890
not only did she. And I think she had. You know, I

1225
00:59:19,890 --> 00:59:22,130
think Dedra did have some realization, too.

1226
00:59:22,530 --> 00:59:25,530
She. She does have some blood on her hands because you know, she

1227
00:59:25,530 --> 00:59:28,450
was thinking Kaido would be the one to like, you know.

1228
00:59:29,010 --> 00:59:31,890
Yeah, you know, he had a purpose there. But at the end of the day,

1229
00:59:31,890 --> 00:59:34,770
you know, he would find out, told her it was like, look, I'm here,

1230
00:59:34,850 --> 00:59:37,850
but you're going to be the one that's giving the order here. It's going to be you

1231
00:59:37,850 --> 00:59:40,810
that's going to have the blood on your hands, not me. I'm just falling. You know, he's doing

1232
00:59:40,810 --> 00:59:43,610
the Nuremberg defense. I'm just like, I'm just here. I'm just

1233
00:59:43,610 --> 00:59:44,370
following orders.

1234
00:59:45,770 --> 00:59:48,620
>> Sarah : Yeah, well, I don't know. There's something in the

1235
00:59:48,620 --> 00:59:51,580
way she, they performed it and portrayed it that I

1236
00:59:51,580 --> 00:59:54,420
felt like there was something else going on than just

1237
00:59:54,420 --> 00:59:56,980
like I wasn't supposed to press the button.

1238
00:59:57,140 --> 00:59:58,900
Like, oh, like

1239
00:59:59,790 --> 01:00:02,710
which, which we had spent so much

1240
01:00:02,710 --> 01:00:05,150
time with Cyril and that's why everyone

1241
01:00:05,230 --> 01:00:07,870
understood like the, the,

1242
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,720
the irony with his

1243
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,280
out out outcome and everything

1244
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,000
and the who are you? Of it all.

1245
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,450
But, but with her, I was like, if

1246
01:00:20,450 --> 01:00:23,290
we had just spent a little more time with her, we

1247
01:00:23,290 --> 01:00:26,130
could then see a bit more of the layers that

1248
01:00:26,130 --> 01:00:28,650
were going on. And arguably, even

1249
01:00:28,970 --> 01:00:31,850
with them as a couple, we got barely any

1250
01:00:31,850 --> 01:00:34,740
scenes between them as a couple to too.

1251
01:00:35,300 --> 01:00:37,860
So. And, and like I said earlier,

1252
01:00:38,100 --> 01:00:40,900
maybe, maybe I was more on board with that because

1253
01:00:41,540 --> 01:00:44,340
I feel like sometimes with Star wars writing

1254
01:00:44,500 --> 01:00:47,220
they belabor things they

1255
01:00:47,540 --> 01:00:50,340
over to explain things they over

1256
01:00:50,419 --> 01:00:53,220
explain. And arguably this, this can be

1257
01:00:53,220 --> 01:00:55,060
said for a lot of like,

1258
01:00:55,860 --> 01:00:58,760
like I want to say fantasy

1259
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,680
genre shows. I mean I think Game of Thrones does

1260
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,520
it too. But, but there, there's a

1261
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,160
belabor of, of points where

1262
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,280
it's like, okay, you've explained to me that three

1263
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,280
times in three different ways.

1264
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But, but you're allowing no

1265
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,559
nuances or, or little

1266
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:21,360
nuances. Like, and maybe that's why

1267
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,880
I have a problem like knowing

1268
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,600
where this is going. Like.

1269
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,480
And yes, I'm supposed to be on board for the

1270
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,020
journey, but

1271
01:01:33,500 --> 01:01:36,460
I don't feel like they're fully taking

1272
01:01:36,540 --> 01:01:38,940
advantage of the,

1273
01:01:39,740 --> 01:01:42,620
the journey and exploring the nuances

1274
01:01:42,860 --> 01:01:45,340
as much as they could. So much as like,

1275
01:01:45,740 --> 01:01:48,540
I mean Will spoiled the Gorman thing for me

1276
01:01:48,940 --> 01:01:51,780
back in episode one, so I was

1277
01:01:51,780 --> 01:01:53,500
like, oh, so that's where we're going.

1278
01:01:54,540 --> 01:01:57,430
So, so how involved? And then to see

1279
01:01:57,430 --> 01:02:00,390
that play out, I don't, I don't know. It's just. It

1280
01:02:00,390 --> 01:02:02,750
feels more like we're being told history

1281
01:02:03,870 --> 01:02:06,710
than actually sitting

1282
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:09,550
in the moments and sitting with some of the people

1283
01:02:09,790 --> 01:02:12,750
where we can, we can really feel. Feel

1284
01:02:12,750 --> 01:02:15,470
it. I Think I got a little bit more out of

1285
01:02:15,470 --> 01:02:18,270
that during season one than I am this season.

1286
01:02:19,140 --> 01:02:22,030
>> Will: M. Well, I hear it. I, I, I, I, I,

1287
01:02:22,030 --> 01:02:23,700
I, I could see that point.

1288
01:02:24,660 --> 01:02:27,500
especially romantic relationships. I see. I think

1289
01:02:27,500 --> 01:02:30,450
for me, I do think that they did some, I mean, it was in a

1290
01:02:30,450 --> 01:02:33,210
weird, you know, they're very Cyril

1291
01:02:33,690 --> 01:02:36,530
Deadra way of like, showing

1292
01:02:36,530 --> 01:02:39,410
affection and stuff, which, whenever she like, laid that, hey, when she

1293
01:02:39,410 --> 01:02:42,370
laid that haymaker, that big kiss on him there in the hall

1294
01:02:42,370 --> 01:02:44,730
in episode seven, I was just like, wait a minute, this is like,

1295
01:02:45,130 --> 01:02:48,050
you know, you know, this is, this is coming from the lady who told

1296
01:02:48,050 --> 01:02:50,460
her, you know, told Zero to turn off the lights.

1297
01:02:50,780 --> 01:02:53,180
So, so, yeah,

1298
01:02:53,500 --> 01:02:56,220
so, yeah, so we did see those nuance

1299
01:02:56,300 --> 01:02:59,240
and, and on the nose moments in their relationship. so

1300
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,240
I, I would take a little exception that they would. We

1301
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,040
didn't get a glimmer of their, you know, we didn't get layers

1302
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,160
of, of their, of their relationship there.

1303
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,280
>> Sarah : I didn't say we didn't at all. I just said like

1304
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,920
I was trying to more make the point that

1305
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,800
because there was few and far between,

1306
01:03:17,130 --> 01:03:20,010
I felt like I took more of an interest and

1307
01:03:20,010 --> 01:03:22,930
curiosity of what's really going on there than

1308
01:03:22,930 --> 01:03:25,130
I did with Bix and Andor.

1309
01:03:26,010 --> 01:03:28,730
>> Will: Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, I mean,

1310
01:03:28,730 --> 01:03:31,650
yeah, I mean, I hear what you're saying. I mean, I guess for Bix and

1311
01:03:31,650 --> 01:03:34,330
Andor, for me, as far as their relationship, it seemed,

1312
01:03:34,730 --> 01:03:35,610
it seemed

1313
01:03:37,690 --> 01:03:40,250
believable to me for two people who

1314
01:03:40,490 --> 01:03:43,490
are trying to have a normal, trying to have

1315
01:03:43,490 --> 01:03:46,280
a normal as, as normal a relationship as

1316
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,600
freedom fighters, you know, and people who are

1317
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,880
in this, in this, in this situation

1318
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,030
can have, with all the constraints

1319
01:03:55,030 --> 01:03:57,990
that, that, that surround it. So, you

1320
01:03:57,990 --> 01:04:00,910
know, every, every time they were, they would try to have a woman, like when

1321
01:04:00,910 --> 01:04:03,830
he was there, just even on Yavin at the beginning of episode seven,

1322
01:04:03,830 --> 01:04:06,830
they were trying to have a nice moment and then Wilman shows up. So it's

1323
01:04:06,830 --> 01:04:09,280
just like, you know, there was,

1324
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,640
they, they had their moments, but it, you know, it

1325
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,880
wasn't like the, I guess,

1326
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,440
typical TV romance or whatever, for lack of a

1327
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:19,720
better description of it.

1328
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,600
But yeah, but I mean, but you know, but to your point too, I think, you

1329
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,580
know, with Deadra and her, her, panic,

1330
01:04:27,580 --> 01:04:30,460
you know, let's go back to that for a

1331
01:04:30,460 --> 01:04:33,420
moment. I think the other thing too was just her realization that Cyril

1332
01:04:33,420 --> 01:04:35,980
was probably killed out, out there on the Right,

1333
01:04:36,380 --> 01:04:39,350
you know, in the, when the, when the things went

1334
01:04:39,350 --> 01:04:42,110
down in the streets. So I think it was a very, Again,

1335
01:04:42,510 --> 01:04:45,190
I Think very layered reaction, to.

1336
01:04:45,270 --> 01:04:48,150
To many things. And maybe her also realization that she also

1337
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:50,870
got played. Just thinking about some of her, you know, her,

1338
01:04:50,950 --> 01:04:53,350
her transmissions of Paragus throughout the episode.

1339
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:56,440
>> Sarah : well, this was her idea from the get go.

1340
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:57,400
>> Will: Yeah.

1341
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,680
>> Sarah : Whether. Whether it played out and, and

1342
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,490
sometimes. And maybe that's really what we

1343
01:05:03,490 --> 01:05:06,450
were seeing with her is like I had this

1344
01:05:06,450 --> 01:05:07,050
idea.

1345
01:05:07,530 --> 01:05:08,050
>> Will: Yep.

1346
01:05:08,050 --> 01:05:11,050
>> Sarah : This is how it's playing out. Like,

1347
01:05:11,770 --> 01:05:14,090
like when I had the idea,

1348
01:05:14,570 --> 01:05:17,530
it seemed like I couldn't

1349
01:05:17,530 --> 01:05:19,690
put faces to people or anything.

1350
01:05:20,310 --> 01:05:22,680
it like. Like there, there's.

1351
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:26,600
I'm. I'm arguably the most curious.

1352
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,430
I'm thing I am, interested in seeing

1353
01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:32,390
in these last three episodes is what they do with

1354
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:35,270
that character because they have spent so much

1355
01:05:35,350 --> 01:05:38,310
time over the course of two seasons

1356
01:05:38,310 --> 01:05:41,110
with her. And for Cyril to be gone

1357
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:44,710
M. You better get more than like one

1358
01:05:44,710 --> 01:05:47,590
episode with her. Like,

1359
01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:50,230
she needs to go out in a very similar

1360
01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:53,110
way that like we need some

1361
01:05:53,460 --> 01:05:56,420
satisfying way for her to go

1362
01:05:56,420 --> 01:05:59,390
out. on the same lines of Cyril. Now I don't think

1363
01:05:59,390 --> 01:06:01,910
they can drop Ciro's death, but,

1364
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,840
they. They need to. They need to

1365
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:08,120
have a full circle moment. I mean, I will

1366
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,960
be honest though, because I saw some like

1367
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,240
stills and I seen like Cyril

1368
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,120
banged up and, and I, and I put down

1369
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,690
together the rundown way before watching the

1370
01:06:18,690 --> 01:06:21,450
episodes. A part of me was like, oh,

1371
01:06:21,530 --> 01:06:23,930
is Cyril gonna join the rebellion?

1372
01:06:24,250 --> 01:06:27,170
Is that what. But, but

1373
01:06:27,170 --> 01:06:29,770
see, hear me out. Like, honestly,

1374
01:06:30,730 --> 01:06:33,290
there were a lot of moments where he

1375
01:06:33,370 --> 01:06:36,250
clearly wanted to. He clearly

1376
01:06:36,250 --> 01:06:38,890
was like, like going to.

1377
01:06:38,970 --> 01:06:41,890
But then he sees Cassie and that like that was

1378
01:06:41,890 --> 01:06:44,590
such a good scene. So like,

1379
01:06:44,670 --> 01:06:47,390
that was a good thing. Like, I can, I

1380
01:06:47,390 --> 01:06:50,270
can have my grievances with this

1381
01:06:50,270 --> 01:06:53,180
show and everything, but, when

1382
01:06:53,180 --> 01:06:56,020
I do like something, I really do like it,

1383
01:06:56,130 --> 01:06:58,630
about andor as a whole. So.

1384
01:06:59,110 --> 01:06:59,590
>> Will: Yeah.

1385
01:06:59,590 --> 01:07:02,430
>> Sarah : And then it keeps me through to watch the final

1386
01:07:02,430 --> 01:07:03,750
three episodes. So.

1387
01:07:03,910 --> 01:07:06,790
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree that that was a good scene. I mean,

1388
01:07:06,790 --> 01:07:09,629
just because seeing him short circuit and then

1389
01:07:10,749 --> 01:07:13,749
all that was just happening around him and then, you know, he gets

1390
01:07:13,749 --> 01:07:16,549
locked laser focused again when he sees Cassian and it's the

1391
01:07:16,549 --> 01:07:19,229
brutality of that fight. And then he also has.

1392
01:07:19,309 --> 01:07:22,229
And then he short circuits again when Cassian's

1393
01:07:22,229 --> 01:07:24,989
like, who are you? Because, you know.

1394
01:07:25,069 --> 01:07:25,709
Yeah. And.

1395
01:07:25,789 --> 01:07:28,749
>> Sarah : Yeah, and he has the moment where he,

1396
01:07:28,749 --> 01:07:31,629
he like you. You can see it. Like, it's

1397
01:07:31,629 --> 01:07:34,600
beautifully acted. It's. It. It's so.

1398
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,240
It's so good that,

1399
01:07:37,709 --> 01:07:40,590
it's so. But I'm also. I'm not

1400
01:07:40,590 --> 01:07:43,430
sad that we don't get any more Cyril

1401
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:46,790
because it's such a satisfying ending for him.

1402
01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:49,950
Like, I'm like, if you're gonna take him out, that's the way to take him

1403
01:07:49,950 --> 01:07:50,230
out.

1404
01:07:50,230 --> 01:07:51,390
>> Will: That's the way to take him out.

1405
01:07:51,390 --> 01:07:53,480
>> Sarah : So perfect. so,

1406
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,680
yeah, anyway, I think that's a great.

1407
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,080
>> Will: That's a great place to finish our discussion tonight.

1408
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:02,480
>> Sarah : Yep. And on that note, Will, why don't you tell our

1409
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:04,040
listeners where they can find you.

1410
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,300
>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at, Will and

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01:08:07,300 --> 01:08:10,060
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And you can.

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01:08:10,820 --> 01:08:13,820
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