JON BERNTHAL JOINS SPIDER-MAN 4! + The Studio Episodes 8-10 BREAKDOWN

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>> Will: Music

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>> Sarah : Greetings Nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont, and with me,

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as always, this is our Mr. Producer, Will Polk How are you doing tonight.

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Will.

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. How you doing this evening?

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>> Sarah : I'm doing good.

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I'm. I'm in cooler temperatures. You're in a

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heat dome, you know.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. My. My

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sweaty. My sweat is sweating. So.

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So dag on hot down here right now. and I think pretty much

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anybody who's listening, like, in the eastern United States

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or central United States, definitely understands what.

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>> Sarah : Where.

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>> Will: What. What I'm saying there. yeah, it's. It's definitely

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not. Not very pleasant right now. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Okay. So over

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the weekend, or like last Thursday, Friday,

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Amazon dropped this show called,

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We Were Liars, and it's

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based off of a book that was very popular

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during the pandemic, and it's produced by

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Julie Pleck, who

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produced and probably the showrunner. I don't know all of the

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credit she has, but Julie Pleck is the mastermind,

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behind Vampire Diaries and the originals and that

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whole thing, so I'm very familiar

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with her. and I

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kept seeing on my for you page, like,

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little clips and everything. and

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everyone was like, it's so sad at the end. It's so

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sad at the end. Okay. No. No, it's

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not. If you really

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think about it, people, if you really think

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about the story that we were told,

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it is not that sad because

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it actually makes your main character look like a freaking

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idiot. It's just.

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It's just so stupid. But. And.

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And I. I had known something was

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off for a while. I didn't exactly

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predict it, so I can't say I didn't see the twist

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coming. And then, of course, the night before, I watched the last

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episode, which there's only eight episodes, so it's not that

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long at all. I'm just like.

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I randomly see a clip, and I kind of.

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I didn't fully get the explanation, but I was

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like, oh, that's where this is headed. Got it.

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Okay. Okay. So now I

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just have to watch the last episode, which is so stupid.

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It. Yeah, I. I was.

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I'm a bit angry about this show

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because it's one of those shows where

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I started watching it and then quickly found

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myself. Like, it was noise in the background.

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Okay. And then as

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I get to the end, like. Like the. Finally

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the reveal of what happened to,

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Cadence, the. The summer before

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which she's been trying to figure out this whole

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thing. I mean, she ends up with trauma

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to the Point of PTSD and

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amnesia that is trauma

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responsive. So

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you, you find out what happened.

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Like, I can see how it would be. I

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can see reading the book. This is a very good

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story to tell via book.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : I have some issues with how they explained it, how they

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tell it via show. And, and

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I, I saw a lot of Julie Pleck.

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Just like, I'm like you. I see what you're

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doing here and you

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definitely want this show to continue,

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but I don't think that's the way the book works. I

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know that there's somewhat of a sequel called

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the Family of Liars, but.

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Or Family of Liars, but at the

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same time I'm just. And they, and they kind

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of set it up through a few different things in the

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finale. But I'm thinking in my head, I'm like,

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why do I even care? Because the

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current story should be over. It

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should be over. And then they did this

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weird thing that makes, it makes you think.

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It's not. It's just in

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comparison to other quote unquote

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young adult shows that I've watched recently.

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This is, this is not up there. I

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mean from what I hear, this was in

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competition to Netflix's his new show called the

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Waterfront, which is trying to be a new

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Yellowstone. So it was either we were liars of

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Waterfront, from what I understand. I chose the

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better of the two.

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>> Will: Okay. Yes. Well, I haven't heard of the

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Amazon show. I have, I have seen promos

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for, for the Netflix show the Waterfront.

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>> Sarah : But.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, but now I was, I was all.

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This weekend was, watched. Well watch

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the NBA Finals, you know, so. But

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as far as other other television programs,

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I actually, I saw

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Oldie but Goody, at

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the local performing arts center was the

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something like the Hot the Musical. And you know,

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it's it's the stage adaptation of the old

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1959 film that starred Tony Curtis, Jack

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Lemmon and Marilyn Monroe. which it

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was a big fit of nostalgia for me because when I was in

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college actually in my acting class,

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we actually actually performed a scene,

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from that, from that movie. And

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and, and so the basic

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story is it's like these two, two friends,

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two guys who basically see a mob hit

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in Chicago have to go on the run and they have

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to, they have to. And. And they

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stole away on a

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trip, cross country trip with a all girl

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chorus. And of course they, they had to dress up. They

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disguised themselves as, as women. So

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it was Joe and Jerry. And Joe and Jerry

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became Josephine and Daphne. So

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I, I played the Jack Lemon character and the one

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I play. well, in the one scene that we did back

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in the college and I actually did, even though

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there's a photo of it somewhere out there,

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there is a photo of me dressed up as Daphne.

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M. playing. Playing, you know, Jerry's character,

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as Daphne in the scene that we did from very, very

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early in the movie. But, I think the photo has probably been lost to Tom

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somewhere. but, yeah, I had a little. I had a little

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trip down nostalgia lane this weekend.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, it sounds like it.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Speaking, about oldies but goodies, it

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was announced that Jon Bernthal will appear as

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Punisher in Spider Man. Brand new day.

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and my only, my only thought is,

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okay, so we should get Daredevil too. Right?

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I mean, Matt's already appeared

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in, no Way Home.

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So, so like,

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like, I, I, I definitely

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want to understand. And then, and then I go into

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this thought process. Well, if you're gonna do,

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then based on how Daredevil

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Born Again ended,

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Spidey has to show up for it to make

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any sense in the second season.

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>> Will: Yeah. You know. Yeah. So I've been thinking about

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this too, especially since I saw the news. I think it dropped over the

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weekend. And, and of course

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there is, you know, as far as, like, in the comics, there is the Amazing,

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spider man, 129, which was when

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Daredevil, excuse me, not Daredevil, but the Punisher was

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first introduced in, in into

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the Marvel universe. And so just

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to get back into the comic book lore, the

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Jackal, who was a, enemy of Spider man, actually hires

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Frank to, to kill Spider man. And in

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this particular comic. And, and so

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a lot of things happen at the end of the, you know, Frank

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and, and Spidey have a couple

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showdowns and stuff. But, at the end of the day, Frank

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realizes that the, the Jackal actually was manipulating

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him. And, and then the sort of, you know, and it

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sort of takes them on the path, you know, of course, eventually

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we all know that, you know, Frank, is the anti hero,

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but, you know, but is friendly towards like, Spider man and other

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people in the. As far as. As far as in the Marvel

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universe. So. But I wonder, you know, so when I saw this

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news, I was like, are they going to adapt that story? Or to your point,

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like, you know, given that what we saw in.

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At the end of, the last Spider man movie, you know,

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Peter's mind is like white bus strange already.

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Gonna, like, have some kind of mentor, mentee type of

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relationship, you know, to fill in that void that, you know,

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that Tony played and then, of course, later, Strange played

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in the mcu. So, you know, I was just like,

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yeah, I'm starting a theory spiral, too. And also to your point about,

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you know, Will. Will he show up? Will Spidey show up in Daredevil?

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>> Sarah : He has to. Okay, this

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can't be a question. Okay, Feige, if you're

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gonna do a universe and you're gonna tell

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me that Fisk is basically create. Has

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created his own island, that is New York,

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M. Okay. Because somehow the mayor

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has all of this power to do that, and he

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manipulated the system, and Spider man is

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in New York, and he doesn't help. He

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doesn't help. Makes no sense. Makes no

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sense. And this is. This is part of the issue with

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shared universes. But, like, like,

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you. You have to give us something,

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and then you can give us everything in Spider Man.

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A brand new day.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. I might

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be making this up, but didn't this. In this past season of Daredevil,

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Born again? They referenced Spider Man. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Like. Like, I,

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I, I do. And. And we

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even see, Daredevil show up in,

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In the Spider man show that we watched

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earlier this year. Yeah, yeah,

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yeah, yeah. So. So,

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like, all the pieces are here. And. And yes, I

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am more curious about Spider

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man and Frank's dynamic than Spider

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man and Max dynamic, but

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I just. And also,

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oh, while we're taking requests, because obviously

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this is. This is what we're doing here. Karen

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Page. Karen Page. We.

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We need resolution about what happened.

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Okay? And by. And by we,

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I mean all of us who are still

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holding a torch for

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Frank and Karen. Okay. Give us a

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damn kiss, people.

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>> Will: See, this is where. This is where, you know, I don't have any rooting

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interest one way or another with. With the shipping there,

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so I'm. I'm just sort of like, you do.

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>> Sarah : You do. You're on my side. Okay? Just. Just

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call it. Your vote has already been

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cast. I've already signed it over. Okay.

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>> Will: All right. I handed over a proxy to you. Okay. Okay.

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Yeah, I gave him a proxy. Okay.

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>> Sarah : That's the way this works. Okay.

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I just. I mean, I have. I have wanted

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the Daredevil crossover, and we're getting

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pun. It's just all the pieces are there, and

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it's kind of cool because, yeah, like. And

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I'm sure a lot of people have talked about this aspect of it is

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that Tom Holland was Shooting a movie with

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John Bernthal when he was trying, when

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he was doing, they were doing the Spider man casting.

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And so Tom Holland read lines with

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John Bernthal that ultimately led to him

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getting the part. So it's, it's very full

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circle. And then that just tells me you better

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do some sort of mentor mentees thing,

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happening. Even though I, I don't.

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This, this just means that Daredevil

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season two has so much

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set up, so much it has to do

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because the Frank that we left

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off and we met in season

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one, I, I hope

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he's, he's a little bit more, how do we put it

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before he goes and meets young Peter Parker.

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hope, some, some blocks are

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put in place, so to speak. So,

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okay. Mahershala, Mahershala,

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gotta let it go.

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I'm sorry. I see you in these Jurassic

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park trailers. I see you in ScarJo,

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and I'm just thinking in my head, what are they doing

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in that movie? And if I, I don't,

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was. If, like, how, how long ago was

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it announced now? Six years. Because it was announced

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in 2019. Right?

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>> Will: That's right. Yep.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, it was the

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last great hurrah before every, like the world

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changed, completely. So,

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so. And he's still, he's still

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like. You can play Blades, Blade's father

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funny. So not only. Yeah, because he, you know, he did mention, I

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guess to your point about the, Jurassic, what it was. What's

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the title for the new Jurassic park movie? I don't know. I, I'm

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not, I'm completely off of that universe. But,

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but he just basically is like, call Marvel, let them know I'm ready. But

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for Wesley Snipes. I was reading, I was reading

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interview with him and you know, and of course, you know, people

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now really associate him more with DC because of all

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the work that he's done, you know, with

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dc, projects, also that think that other

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one but you know, but he, but he did cut

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his teeth on Blade as far

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as he's like look, I'm, I'm here if y' all, if

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y' all need me to write a script, I'm here. So who knows?

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anything of Bleed, they're like we're

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here.

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>> Sarah : But well it's it's Marvel in general.

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I mean Marvel or dc, anytime you're

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associated with any big franchise and even though

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you're promoting a different product project, it's always like

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association is even a stretch. It's like

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you're just on the list of people potentially

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to get this part

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for some reason those like less than five

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minute interviews, they seem to run out of

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questions very quickly about the actual project of

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promotions.

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but yeah, what that project.

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we get it Mahershala, technically you were ready

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five years ago and that's great.

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But that also tells me you

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haven't aren't reading the script. And,

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and I'm I'm not going just to see you as

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Blade. I would actually like to see a good movie.

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>> Will: Exactly exactly.

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>> Sarah : Like like are you, have

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you seen some of the pieces of trash that have been

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produced when you just

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are just like just put something together?

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Madame Web.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah.

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know, I know next week we'll start start talking

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about Ironheart which M is premiering tonight and

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seeing things seen seen

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mixed reviews about it but you know, so,

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but I'm glad that a lot of folks are

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really just pushing it. You know I think fandom

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and just really were

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put you know been pushing the, the, the

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advertisement for it. I will say watching NBA Finals given

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that it's all you know, they, that the

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result ABC is owned by Disney. I will say I did see

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more a lot of advertisements during, during the, during the

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basketball playoffs for the

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for the show. So looking forward to catching it this,

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this, this this week. And then I guess they're dropping

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first three tonight and then they're dropped the

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next the remaining three next Tuesday. So.

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>> Sarah : Yep yep. Oh the

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remaining three next Tuesday.

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>> Will: Yeah yeah, they just. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Oh they changed it again.

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>> Will: They changed. Yeah yeah so they changed.

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Yeah yeah so yeah, I know we didn't get a chance. I didn't,

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I didn't mention it on our, on our show. May have posted

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on our socials. But yeah, the, the the

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slate is the first three tonight, and then the next three

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next week. So just.

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>> Sarah : That actually works in our favor, so.

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>> Will: Yeah, exactly.

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>> Sarah : I'm all for it.

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>> Will: Yeah. I already adjusted our. I already adjusted our schedule. I was like,

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okay, just, you know, we know. We know our content

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thing going into, you know, the next two weeks. Going into Superman.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, Superman. And then this

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other little film called, Fantastic Four. It's just an

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indie project. It's gonna be very small.

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>> Will: Yeah. Very, very small.

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>> Sarah : Very, very small. Yeah, we. July.

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July, is looking bright.

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but before we get there, we have to close out

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the studio. Season one,

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starting off with episode eight, the Golden

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Globes, which,

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out of the three, this was my favorite episode.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I love the ongoing gag

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of all of the acceptance speeches

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thanking, Sal. I really like

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that. I thought that was. That was

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honestly so great.

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Towards the end, it got a little overplayed, but I was still

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just, like, there for it.

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>> Will: Yeah. And.

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>> Sarah : And I. I, think this

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continues to go back to

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some discussions that we've had in the past. And.

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And Matt. Matt is very.

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He. They. They did an interesting thing with

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his character because there

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is so much ego, but

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it's maxed by

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this naiveness that I think

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viewers can see themselves in. Matt.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : while. While they're able to

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also take that. That good quality about

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him and then kind of twist

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it and then also bring out

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the. I'm the big man at the top of the

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pyramid,

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like. Like I deserve

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respect, even though I don't know

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how to get it until I ask the other person

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and they tell me, well, you gotta write it in their

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contracts.

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>> Will: There was so. Yeah, there was

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so many things with that scene with him and Tess

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Arandos, who wrote. Who was the CEO of Netflix.

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>> Sarah : Right.

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>> Will: So. Yeah. And. And yeah, that.

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That, To your point, that's one of the things that

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made this episode for me probably of the

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bunch might agree, my favorite of the

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last three that we. That we watched this week. and

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the other thing, too, is I thought about as I

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was watching the episode and, you know, and they were having the. The.

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The. The M. Interviews, and of course, Zoe Kravitz is there,

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and of course she's one of the front runners. But, you

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know, when Matt was walking on the red carpet and having the junket

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interviews, there was also, like, all the influencers. And I

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couldn't help but think about our conversation that we had

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last week, about. Yeah, you know,

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how they'll just show up but,

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you know, do their thing. But also you know,

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you know, they're just there on the carpet. But they don't actually. Actually go into

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the, Into. Into the ceremonies themselves. They just do their thing

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and just move on. But also just, again, how influence of culture is

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just really. Is really driving the train so much

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these days as far as. As far as films

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and TV and casting.

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>> Sarah : Right, right. But they weren't even allowed in the ceremony.

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It's like this weird thing. They're.

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They're. They're definitely part of

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media and attention and word of

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mouth and that whole thing which, which the

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movies need. So you. So

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you see Matt walk through and,

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and suddenly it's like, oh, well, I'm

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used to the old media and how. But I don't

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understand this. This new wave of new

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media. And then I go through the

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golden gates and get into this place where these

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people I've worked with and I

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admire and all. And like, the

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artists, like, all of this emphasis on.

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On him going to an award show

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where they celebrate work.

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And Matt told us from day one, like,

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his job is to decide

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which movies get made.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And so what we're finding over the course

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of the season and really drives home in this episode

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is like, how much

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that deciding what movies get made is a

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big deal. However,

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does that really put you on the team of

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the creative artistry

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that is filmmaking?

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and. And I thought that was. That was really good

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because it also parallels

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the episode from last week,

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with the. At the charity event where

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then he's like, he. He's the

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spokesperson for the arts.

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And. And we see him rejected in that

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world because they're all science people.

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Right. And now you see him, kind

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of rejected in this artist world

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because it's like, no, you just count the beans. You're just the

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bean counter.

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>> Will: You're just the bean counter.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, Sal deserves

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more recognition than you.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. And

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Patty too. I mean, Patty, you know, because. Because

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the fact, you know, she got fired as head of the

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studio. Studio. And then, you

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know, he. Going back to the beginning where he begs her to come

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on board to, you know, to help with the,

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G. Lee movie, as a producer. And,

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you know, she, you know, they have that whole conversation. This is like, you

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know, you know, she can, you know, because she is

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the, the producer and the

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creative, you know, not she, you know,

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she can go up on the stage and, and with the rest of the

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folks. But, you know, but to your point, I mean, the

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bean counter and, and. And so, and so, of course, going Back

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to the comment that he and Sarandos has.

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It's like, you know, you know, Sarandos is like, looks at him kind of incredulous.

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Like, what do you mean? You're, you're part of the.

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You're, you're, you're, you're, you know, you're an artist. He's like,

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really, dude, You're a bean counter. Yeah, no, just don't blur.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, right, right. I think it's

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also more like

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like the old, old dog being like, oh

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boy, you, you have no idea.

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You, you don't. You haven't figured it out yet

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that like we're,

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we're, we're. We're not, we're

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not fully in this circle. It's,

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it's just an interesting thing considering.

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this is a kind of a

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documentary style

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type show or work

508
00:24:19,890 --> 00:24:22,690
workplace scenarios show

509
00:24:22,930 --> 00:24:25,570
that is centered around filmmaking. And yet

510
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the, the characters, the, the staff who we

511
00:24:28,900 --> 00:24:31,220
are following, they're not the artists.

512
00:24:31,620 --> 00:24:33,700
They're not the actors, directors,

513
00:24:34,530 --> 00:24:37,410
or even writers. They're, they're the,

514
00:24:37,730 --> 00:24:40,210
the producers who

515
00:24:41,170 --> 00:24:43,680
do very is. It's very hard to

516
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,360
describe what actually is their

517
00:24:46,500 --> 00:24:49,450
their job, what they're responsible

518
00:24:49,450 --> 00:24:49,850
for.

519
00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:53,180
>> Will: I mean, yeah, you have Matt, the executive who like

520
00:24:53,180 --> 00:24:55,980
picture, you know, is that this

521
00:24:55,980 --> 00:24:58,580
bean counter, you know, the big, the picture of

522
00:24:58,580 --> 00:25:01,540
Patty, you know, the, the studio, you know, she's, she's a

523
00:25:01,540 --> 00:25:04,420
producer. So you know, so yeah, it's making sure that the production

524
00:25:04,420 --> 00:25:07,220
runs on time and, and you know, acquiring,

525
00:25:07,300 --> 00:25:09,300
helping to acquire the talent and

526
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:10,680
you know.

527
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,480
>> Sarah : Well, yeah, but she's not also casting

528
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:14,560
director either.

529
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:15,680
>> Will: No, no, no.

530
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,400
>> Sarah : But like, like producers,

531
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,400
they, they do a little.

532
00:25:22,140 --> 00:25:24,900
Understand, but they also like, it

533
00:25:24,900 --> 00:25:27,860
varies and then you have executive producers and

534
00:25:27,860 --> 00:25:30,700
then at the end of the day they're just the people

535
00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:33,660
who end up putting money forward to fund the project.

536
00:25:34,300 --> 00:25:35,100
>> Will: Right, right.

537
00:25:35,340 --> 00:25:37,980
>> Sarah : Yeah, exactly. So they're, they're the,

538
00:25:38,220 --> 00:25:40,940
the AMEX card. The, the

539
00:25:40,940 --> 00:25:43,740
other thing about this episode that I

540
00:25:43,740 --> 00:25:46,380
find and I, of course I'm saying this as

541
00:25:46,380 --> 00:25:49,140
Zoe Kravitz appears in three, all

542
00:25:49,140 --> 00:25:51,710
three of these episodes. It's an

543
00:25:51,710 --> 00:25:52,870
ongoing thing.

544
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,480
I noticed that if you think about it,

545
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,440
over the course of this season he,

546
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,880
Seth has pulled in more director

547
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,320
talent than any other

548
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,440
like any other like actors

549
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,200
or, or even when he brings in actors

550
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,200
like Olivia Wilde or even Zoe Kravitz, who

551
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,930
directed her first movie last year year with Blink

552
00:26:19,930 --> 00:26:22,830
Twice. She like there, there are

553
00:26:22,830 --> 00:26:25,670
also actors and actresses who have directed before.

554
00:26:25,670 --> 00:26:28,450
I mean Zach, Zac

555
00:26:28,450 --> 00:26:29,690
Efron and

556
00:26:32,780 --> 00:26:35,100
the, The Franco brother who. I'm blanking.

557
00:26:36,860 --> 00:26:39,420
I was gonna say Dan for some reason, but Dave

558
00:26:39,420 --> 00:26:42,420
Franco. Those two make sense because

559
00:26:42,420 --> 00:26:44,780
of their relationships with Seth Rogen.

560
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:48,590
Clearly photo friendly, but

561
00:26:48,590 --> 00:26:50,390
I, I find that. And,

562
00:26:51,270 --> 00:26:53,920
and am I right that, did

563
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,400
Seth direct more of these

564
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,840
episodes than actually write these episodes?

565
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,200
>> Will: So he and his partner Evan was Elvin

566
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,920
Goldberg. I think it's. Yeah, so they,

567
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:09,120
I think, I think they split duties. I think

568
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:12,120
Evan really did a lot of the writing over the course of the

569
00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:14,790
season. To go back and look at the credits. Seth, I think

570
00:27:14,790 --> 00:27:16,990
directed some, but he was,

571
00:27:17,790 --> 00:27:20,590
I think he was more, you know, more

572
00:27:20,670 --> 00:27:22,030
in front of the camera,

573
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,280
this disco than, Than behind it. Of course,

574
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,960
obviously they're both producers on that and. But you're right,

575
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,400
it truly is like phone a friend. Because

576
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,650
not only that, but another thing that really struck me about this

577
00:27:35,650 --> 00:27:37,310
episode was, the

578
00:27:39,230 --> 00:27:42,150
cross. You know, using cross talent from other,

579
00:27:42,150 --> 00:27:45,150
Other streaming services. Like, I mean, obviously you had Adam Scott, you

580
00:27:45,150 --> 00:27:47,870
know, severance clearly there, but then, you know, you had,

581
00:27:48,270 --> 00:27:50,270
you had your boy Antony Starr,

582
00:27:51,050 --> 00:27:53,960
and, and and Aaron Morati show up.

583
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,960
You know, there's again, another Seth Rogen. Pretty show

584
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,960
with the boys. But in, you know, you know, so, you know, we

585
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:02,900
saw that, you know, twice. We see, you know,

586
00:28:02,900 --> 00:28:05,660
whereas in the past in the old traditional

587
00:28:05,660 --> 00:28:08,060
broadcast model, you would rarely see across

588
00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:11,580
pollination between networks like this. But here,

589
00:28:11,580 --> 00:28:14,390
you know, you, you do, with this, with

590
00:28:14,390 --> 00:28:17,380
this, with this show, which I, you know, which

591
00:28:17,380 --> 00:28:20,380
also really just kind of, you know, stuck out to me a little bit. But you're

592
00:28:20,380 --> 00:28:23,340
right also about. With the directors too, because, you know, he had Zack Snyder show

593
00:28:23,340 --> 00:28:26,340
up as well, so Quinta Brunson, I mean, it was

594
00:28:26,340 --> 00:28:28,850
just like it, it truly was like, you know,

595
00:28:29,250 --> 00:28:31,490
a lot of these creatives, as you, as you were saying,

596
00:28:31,980 --> 00:28:34,700
have. Have worn both hats of both not only working

597
00:28:34,780 --> 00:28:37,650
in front of the camera as far as acting, but also, have

598
00:28:37,650 --> 00:28:39,570
directed various projects as well.

599
00:28:40,370 --> 00:28:42,290
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah.

600
00:28:43,380 --> 00:28:46,260
and then it's. It's hard with the next two

601
00:28:46,260 --> 00:28:49,220
to really talk about them separately because they just go hand

602
00:28:49,220 --> 00:28:51,950
in hand. But we have, we have

603
00:28:51,950 --> 00:28:54,830
Cinemacon, which is the full setup.

604
00:28:54,930 --> 00:28:57,810
essentially, the crew is headed to Las

605
00:28:57,810 --> 00:29:00,650
Vegas for Cinemacon, where they're gonna give

606
00:29:00,650 --> 00:29:03,210
a big presentation and,

607
00:29:03,210 --> 00:29:05,690
Matt's idea about an old school

608
00:29:06,010 --> 00:29:08,770
Hollywood. Hollywood, party

609
00:29:08,850 --> 00:29:11,490
go sideways. And

610
00:29:11,570 --> 00:29:13,970
he ends up getting high along with,

611
00:29:15,090 --> 00:29:17,490
Zoe Kravitz and, and,

612
00:29:17,730 --> 00:29:20,690
yeah, and, and pretty much the

613
00:29:20,690 --> 00:29:23,570
entire crew. And then

614
00:29:23,730 --> 00:29:26,570
that leads to the presentation which

615
00:29:26,570 --> 00:29:28,850
is where, when they actually give their

616
00:29:29,250 --> 00:29:32,220
presentation, at Cinemacon. What,

617
00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:35,100
what I didn't understand is like you guys had

618
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:37,100
a 7:30 call time.

619
00:29:37,660 --> 00:29:40,660
Yeah, like, like

620
00:29:40,660 --> 00:29:43,660
and then you're in a party. I, I, I didn't

621
00:29:43,660 --> 00:29:45,820
understand the logistics about that.

622
00:29:47,380 --> 00:29:50,260
but yeah, it's just,

623
00:29:51,300 --> 00:29:54,060
I don't know. I, I still have to figure out

624
00:29:54,060 --> 00:29:56,940
what my gripes are and why these

625
00:29:56,940 --> 00:29:59,140
two episodes, it just felt long.

626
00:30:00,180 --> 00:30:03,180
It felt long and tired for

627
00:30:03,180 --> 00:30:03,460
me.

628
00:30:04,020 --> 00:30:07,020
>> Will: Well, I, I, you know, I, the bit

629
00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:10,050
with the shrooms wore very thin for me

630
00:30:10,050 --> 00:30:13,050
after a while. Yeah, I think that was my biggest,

631
00:30:13,050 --> 00:30:16,010
I mean the whole Cinemacon stuff. I mean, you know,

632
00:30:16,170 --> 00:30:19,050
I've said this before about this, about the studio

633
00:30:19,050 --> 00:30:21,970
and especially, you know, you and I both list, as I

634
00:30:21,970 --> 00:30:24,880
said before and I'll I'll just repeat it real quick. You know, you know, I listen

635
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,240
to entertainment podcasts in this space.

636
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,880
You know, kind of funny. You know, Rocha

637
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,720
and Snyder and Kristian, all, you know, all these

638
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,240
talking, his campia, all these folks talk about

639
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,920
CinemaCon. So it was kind of, you know, so for,

640
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,120
so was interesting. And I was

641
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,970
listening to the Ringer, tv. They,

642
00:30:44,970 --> 00:30:47,850
you know, they had Matt Baloney who, who was,

643
00:30:47,850 --> 00:30:50,690
who, who hosts the talk, the Talk podcast.

644
00:30:50,690 --> 00:30:53,450
Who's that? You know, he was an actual, he's an actual entertainment

645
00:30:53,450 --> 00:30:56,170
reporter who actually appeared in, in, you know, they

646
00:30:56,250 --> 00:30:58,810
had him voice a couple

647
00:30:59,130 --> 00:31:02,090
his things during the season and then he actually

648
00:31:02,090 --> 00:31:04,810
showed up in these, in this episode because they're trying to keep

649
00:31:04,810 --> 00:31:07,810
guilt, you know, keep Griffith, away from him. But

650
00:31:08,690 --> 00:31:11,650
they were just talking about how in many ways this was

651
00:31:11,650 --> 00:31:14,530
kind of a peek behind the curtain for CinemaCon because you know

652
00:31:14,530 --> 00:31:17,090
we've all heard about, because we, you know, we listen to these

653
00:31:17,090 --> 00:31:19,850
podcasts and these things we've heard about Cinemacon

654
00:31:19,850 --> 00:31:22,849
and you know, you know, the footage to get shown

655
00:31:22,849 --> 00:31:25,730
there and stuff and reactions to it and all that. So,

656
00:31:25,810 --> 00:31:28,610
you know, so from that standpoint, I did like the episodes

657
00:31:28,610 --> 00:31:31,490
because I felt like it was kind of a peek behind the curtain

658
00:31:31,490 --> 00:31:34,490
as far as a compressed version of what happens there as far as

659
00:31:34,490 --> 00:31:37,250
like, you know, as far as the presentation aspect of it. I don't know about the

660
00:31:37,250 --> 00:31:40,130
parties and all that, but you know, the, the, the actual

661
00:31:40,130 --> 00:31:43,090
presentation that, that Maya put on and

662
00:31:43,090 --> 00:31:46,050
that in the execs that where they were like planning

663
00:31:46,050 --> 00:31:48,810
to, you know, to, to roll out the slate

664
00:31:49,130 --> 00:31:52,050
of films that the studio had, you know, I,

665
00:31:52,050 --> 00:31:55,050
I did get a sort of flavor like. Oh yeah, I read all about this. So I

666
00:31:55,050 --> 00:31:57,530
think, you know, so if that's how it is, because

667
00:31:57,530 --> 00:31:59,980
Cinemacon is, you know, where the,

668
00:32:00,380 --> 00:32:03,140
you know, the studio showed to the motion

669
00:32:03,140 --> 00:32:06,060
picture trade association, the theaters, I should say

670
00:32:06,060 --> 00:32:09,020
movie theaters association, where they, you know, preview

671
00:32:09,020 --> 00:32:11,780
the films for the year. So, you know, so I did like that

672
00:32:11,780 --> 00:32:12,780
aspect of the episode.

673
00:32:13,660 --> 00:32:16,060
>> Sarah : Yeah, I. I'm right there with you. Where

674
00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:18,780
I, I like the, the

675
00:32:18,780 --> 00:32:20,700
concept of it, but

676
00:32:21,820 --> 00:32:24,260
the shrooms of it all. And then the

677
00:32:24,260 --> 00:32:26,910
Griffin part where.

678
00:32:26,990 --> 00:32:29,790
And I love Bryan Cranston. I just. I was

679
00:32:29,790 --> 00:32:32,550
like, not. Not in on

680
00:32:32,550 --> 00:32:35,390
this gag that would never end, and.

681
00:32:35,790 --> 00:32:38,270
And we knew that they would pull it off. And I,

682
00:32:38,910 --> 00:32:41,150
I. I don't know. I kind of.

683
00:32:43,070 --> 00:32:45,470
I kind of feel like what was also

684
00:32:45,630 --> 00:32:48,190
missing was

685
00:32:50,350 --> 00:32:53,180
it can't m. I don't know how

686
00:32:53,180 --> 00:32:56,140
you're gonna feel about this comparison, but I'm gonna throw it out here.

687
00:32:56,220 --> 00:32:57,180
>> Will: Yeah, go ahead.

688
00:32:57,260 --> 00:33:00,140
>> Sarah : Honestly, looking back on it,

689
00:33:00,300 --> 00:33:03,300
I think my feelings are just all a little

690
00:33:03,300 --> 00:33:05,900
ambiguous because it reminds me about

691
00:33:06,060 --> 00:33:07,420
the Bear season three.

692
00:33:08,540 --> 00:33:10,980
>> Will: That's good. Yeah, that's a very good call. Very good

693
00:33:10,980 --> 00:33:11,580
comparison.

694
00:33:11,900 --> 00:33:14,860
>> Sarah : It's hard to see, like, okay, well,

695
00:33:14,860 --> 00:33:17,660
now we're at the end, and we have this big, like,

696
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:20,790
technically, part one and part two finale.

697
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:23,910
And yet what has Matt learned?

698
00:33:24,390 --> 00:33:27,110
Like, what has the arc been? And

699
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:29,830
granted, this is season one, so it's more about

700
00:33:29,910 --> 00:33:32,630
all of these characters and really for us to

701
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:35,270
understand what's going on. But

702
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:39,710
I. I still feel like he thinks he's a bit more of

703
00:33:39,710 --> 00:33:42,310
an artist than he should. Yeah,

704
00:33:43,710 --> 00:33:46,630
I. I don't. I don't know what overall

705
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:48,320
his, arc is.

706
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:49,600
>> Will: Yeah.

707
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,120
>> Sarah : And. And that's why it kind of felt

708
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,000
unsatisfying of how they ended it. It's just

709
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,480
because, like, he had this good

710
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,240
speech. He talks at the. In

711
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,080
episode nine, at the beginning with his mom and

712
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,880
about his loneliness a little bit. And

713
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,560
then during the presentation, he

714
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,170
acknowledges, like, like,

715
00:34:11,170 --> 00:34:13,970
his friends and these people he surrounded

716
00:34:14,130 --> 00:34:16,530
with him, himself with

717
00:34:16,770 --> 00:34:19,490
are like, the true loves of his life.

718
00:34:19,970 --> 00:34:22,770
Not. Not just movies, but I.

719
00:34:22,770 --> 00:34:25,610
I don't know. It just. It didn't land the way I

720
00:34:25,610 --> 00:34:27,730
needed it to. And I think also

721
00:34:28,770 --> 00:34:31,610
over the course of this season, for it

722
00:34:31,610 --> 00:34:34,370
being a comedy and these days,

723
00:34:34,690 --> 00:34:37,450
especially with the streaming ones, I mean, to bring up the

724
00:34:37,450 --> 00:34:39,740
bear again, you.

725
00:34:40,620 --> 00:34:43,300
Comedies are good not just because

726
00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:46,300
they're able to get you to laugh,

727
00:34:47,180 --> 00:34:50,100
but they also have the tendency to

728
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:52,940
every now and then give

729
00:34:52,940 --> 00:34:55,660
you a sad clown and.

730
00:34:55,900 --> 00:34:58,740
And really hit you with a

731
00:34:58,740 --> 00:35:01,660
big dramatic moment. That. That

732
00:35:01,660 --> 00:35:04,260
is like a gut punch. Now, maybe

733
00:35:04,260 --> 00:35:06,980
that's, like. Maybe I'm thinking about long

734
00:35:06,980 --> 00:35:09,900
term comedies where they pull out those kind of things

735
00:35:09,980 --> 00:35:12,140
in seasons two or three.

736
00:35:12,940 --> 00:35:14,780
But at the same time,

737
00:35:15,820 --> 00:35:17,900
I don't know, I feel like this show

738
00:35:17,980 --> 00:35:20,940
mechanically has a lot going for it,

739
00:35:21,820 --> 00:35:24,380
but subsequently,

740
00:35:25,350 --> 00:35:28,130
it's lacking a bit in terms of

741
00:35:28,130 --> 00:35:30,730
like, okay, well, I went on this ride.

742
00:35:31,210 --> 00:35:33,210
I don't really know where I ended up though.

743
00:35:33,930 --> 00:35:36,730
>> Will: Yeah, well, yeah, you know, it's,

744
00:35:36,730 --> 00:35:39,730
it's interesting, interesting that you say that because, you

745
00:35:39,730 --> 00:35:42,600
know, when I look back on this, on this show, and

746
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,440
maybe as part, you know, part where you're talking about

747
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,440
like an arc or journey or, or

748
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,400
whatever. On

749
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,160
the one hand, I felt like in many ways this,

750
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,400
this, this, this first season was very

751
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,170
episodic where there was

752
00:35:59,170 --> 00:36:02,090
no like you know, to, you know, you're, you're saying like,

753
00:36:02,090 --> 00:36:04,530
you know, where was the growth or where was the

754
00:36:04,530 --> 00:36:07,170
evolution or those kind of things. You know,

755
00:36:07,650 --> 00:36:10,410
to me it was like each. Even

756
00:36:10,410 --> 00:36:13,249
though they were like. Because, you know, whenever

757
00:36:13,249 --> 00:36:16,130
we first started watching it, like with the Kool Aid film,

758
00:36:16,450 --> 00:36:18,770
you know, it wasn't like they, it was a

759
00:36:18,770 --> 00:36:21,570
serialized. We, you know, we

760
00:36:21,570 --> 00:36:24,490
start from the casting and then we go to this and we

761
00:36:24,490 --> 00:36:27,450
go to that. It wasn't like, you know, every episode

762
00:36:27,450 --> 00:36:30,170
had its own like sort of standalone story. Yeah, there's like the

763
00:36:30,170 --> 00:36:32,770
bigger issues going on with the studio behind it,

764
00:36:33,090 --> 00:36:35,850
you know, but you know, it

765
00:36:35,850 --> 00:36:38,810
wasn't until like really the. These last three where

766
00:36:38,810 --> 00:36:41,610
it was sort of like, okay, yeah, we're pulling, you know, all these little things that happen

767
00:36:41,610 --> 00:36:44,450
throughout the season. Now we're going to pull it together. And then we had this two part

768
00:36:44,450 --> 00:36:46,850
finale that felt like a kind of a

769
00:36:46,850 --> 00:36:49,820
serialized story. so it, you know, so it

770
00:36:49,820 --> 00:36:52,670
felt like for, for me it was kind of like all of a sudden it

771
00:36:52,670 --> 00:36:55,470
felt like it was like a, like a, A hard pivot

772
00:36:55,470 --> 00:36:58,430
from like episodic to like, almost to like. Oh yeah, we,

773
00:36:58,430 --> 00:37:01,310
we did have this sort of through line throughout the season as far as

774
00:37:01,310 --> 00:37:04,110
not through line, but we did have these underlying stories and they just

775
00:37:04,270 --> 00:37:07,230
all kind of wrapped them up in a little bow here at the end with

776
00:37:07,230 --> 00:37:09,230
the Cinemacon and the presentation.

777
00:37:09,790 --> 00:37:12,750
>> Sarah : Well, I don't even know if it's,

778
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,040
because. Okay, one of the better episodes

779
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,880
of the season is the, the war,

780
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,360
okay, between Sal and

781
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,400
Emma. and

782
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,200
I got her name right, right?

783
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,410
>> Will: S. And Quinn.

784
00:37:30,809 --> 00:37:33,690
>> Sarah : Quinn. Quinn. Sal and Quinn.

785
00:37:33,930 --> 00:37:36,850
Yeah, they. And. And yet when I

786
00:37:36,850 --> 00:37:39,610
think about it, it's like,

787
00:37:39,770 --> 00:37:42,650
okay, so we never, like that was episode five. We

788
00:37:42,650 --> 00:37:44,890
never circled back to them. I still don.

789
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:48,310
>> Will: Was like Episodic. It was just like.

790
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:51,510
>> Sarah : Yeah, it's, but, but what I was, what I was getting

791
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:54,150
at is like even the, when you say

792
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:56,310
stories like wrapped in together,

793
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:59,990
I, I just look at them all as callbacks, like

794
00:37:59,990 --> 00:38:02,670
call back to this movie. Because of course it's a

795
00:38:02,670 --> 00:38:05,110
studio. Like we're, they're doing

796
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:08,390
so many different projects that are all at different states in

797
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:11,110
production that you're gonna get.

798
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:13,910
I thought it was a clip, clever thing to do

799
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:17,310
to sprinkle in like those names and

800
00:38:17,310 --> 00:38:20,230
then bring them out as like

801
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:22,990
this is our new slate of, of films.

802
00:38:22,990 --> 00:38:25,830
Us knowing like where, where

803
00:38:25,830 --> 00:38:28,629
they are in production. I mean Black Wing hasn't even

804
00:38:28,629 --> 00:38:31,510
filmed. It's just like this is the announcement

805
00:38:33,590 --> 00:38:36,270
but it's still character wise,

806
00:38:36,270 --> 00:38:39,040
like not even putting Matt out of the

807
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,010
picture. All of the characters, the ensemble

808
00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:45,450
didn't really have a, a clear arc

809
00:38:46,030 --> 00:38:48,740
either. So that's

810
00:38:49,220 --> 00:38:52,180
looking at season two. That's something

811
00:38:52,820 --> 00:38:55,780
that I hope that they develop more of.

812
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,760
especially with Matt and now that

813
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,520
they've established the team, the

814
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,140
workplace, what Continental

815
00:39:05,220 --> 00:39:08,060
is, I, I

816
00:39:08,060 --> 00:39:10,020
just, I, I want to see

817
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,280
more, more of an arc.

818
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,560
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I can see that. I mean, yeah, I mean I

819
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,320
think the other thing too is this,

820
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:20,920
you know, the,

821
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,560
you know, will they follow up? For example, like, you

822
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,440
know, one of the big things they dropped in this episode was

823
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,230
the whole issue of the studio possibly

824
00:39:31,230 --> 00:39:34,190
being bought by, you know, by a tech company which is kind

825
00:39:34,190 --> 00:39:37,070
of, you know, again another meta reference given that the show

826
00:39:37,070 --> 00:39:39,960
is airing on a tech company. But you know,

827
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,919
platform but you know, but you know, well

828
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,360
those are some of those like

829
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,520
you know, we'll, you know, to see what the, see what the fallout

830
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,760
like you said from and when I think

831
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,510
about it too, it's like, okay, what's, you dropped this big

832
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:58,350
bombshell that like you're trying to hide

833
00:39:58,350 --> 00:40:00,990
that you know, they're trying to keep the

834
00:40:01,310 --> 00:40:04,270
you know, Matt baloney from like finding out that Amazon

835
00:40:04,830 --> 00:40:07,310
or was was thinking about buying Continental.

836
00:40:07,830 --> 00:40:10,820
>> Will: And you know, will they follow up on that? And you

837
00:40:10,820 --> 00:40:13,620
know, you know, because it seemed,

838
00:40:13,620 --> 00:40:16,420
you know, that it seemed like the presentation went

839
00:40:16,420 --> 00:40:19,320
really, really well and. Yeah. And so

840
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,320
will they follow up on those kind of things? And you know, like you said, some

841
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,200
of the callbacks to some of the earlier stories, will those

842
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,200
things start getting pulled forward or, or were they

843
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,760
truly just one offs that that

844
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,880
happened and we just won't reference them again?

845
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,240
>> Sarah : Right, right. I, I, I think they'll follow

846
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:39,240
up. From what I've seen I don't

847
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:41,760
know how they're going to do it though. And

848
00:40:43,930 --> 00:40:45,530
I had a thought and I lost it.

849
00:40:46,730 --> 00:40:49,530
I hate when that happens. But,

850
00:40:49,850 --> 00:40:52,570
but I think, I think they, they have some,

851
00:40:52,570 --> 00:40:54,570
some good, good follow through.

852
00:40:54,890 --> 00:40:55,370
>> Will: Yeah.

853
00:40:55,370 --> 00:40:55,930
>> Sarah : Yeah.

854
00:40:56,730 --> 00:40:59,690
>> Will: Yeah. I mean, one thing that did to you as far

855
00:40:59,690 --> 00:41:01,850
as like, stories and just

856
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:05,200
We'll think it back to episode eight with the Golden

857
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,120
Globes was Matt and Patty's conversation about like, when

858
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,760
she was crying in the car. And I did like

859
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,920
how they did, you know, show

860
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,850
that kind of low. that was, I guess if there was

861
00:41:16,850 --> 00:41:19,730
like a lowest point for like Matt in the season, that was probably

862
00:41:19,730 --> 00:41:22,490
it. You know, whenever he was, you know, he leaves the

863
00:41:22,490 --> 00:41:25,010
award show and, and then of course,

864
00:41:25,250 --> 00:41:28,010
you know, with the, with the presentation at the end

865
00:41:28,010 --> 00:41:30,850
there and there, you know, he's bailing out Griffith

866
00:41:31,170 --> 00:41:34,090
after he like, you know, uses the Kool Aid rig to

867
00:41:34,090 --> 00:41:36,970
come down and stumped there on the, on

868
00:41:36,970 --> 00:41:39,840
the, with the teleprompter or movies, you know, that. That was

869
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,720
sort of like that celebratory moment that. So I, I

870
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:45,720
like the way that the season ended, especially when you had that

871
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,680
earlier low that he had was he was just, you know,

872
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,400
alone in his limo just, just, Just crying away.

873
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,160
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. Or after,

874
00:41:56,130 --> 00:41:57,090
Ron Howard.

875
00:41:58,050 --> 00:41:58,530
>> Will: Yeah.

876
00:41:58,610 --> 00:42:00,050
>> Sarah : Verbally assaulted him.

877
00:42:00,450 --> 00:42:01,010
>> Will: Yeah.

878
00:42:01,810 --> 00:42:04,050
>> Sarah : Or. Or after he

879
00:42:04,910 --> 00:42:06,910
leaves the charity event in a,

880
00:42:07,570 --> 00:42:10,530
>> Will: Oh, ambulance. Yeah, that was pretty. Yeah. He says he's had some pretty

881
00:42:10,530 --> 00:42:13,250
low moments. Come to think of it, now I feel like.

882
00:42:13,250 --> 00:42:15,930
>> Sarah : I feel like every, A lot of the episodes end with

883
00:42:15,930 --> 00:42:18,810
Matt alone and in a bad

884
00:42:18,810 --> 00:42:21,810
situation mentally, physically. You

885
00:42:21,810 --> 00:42:22,130
know.

886
00:42:27,730 --> 00:42:30,210
>> Will: He had his triumphant at Cinemacon.

887
00:42:31,220 --> 00:42:34,060
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, he definitely had a, had a

888
00:42:34,060 --> 00:42:36,340
moment of triumph then. And

889
00:42:36,740 --> 00:42:39,470
that, that's really, Now that I have

890
00:42:39,470 --> 00:42:42,310
my thought back, is that something. That's something

891
00:42:42,310 --> 00:42:44,510
that bothered me is

892
00:42:45,550 --> 00:42:47,710
okay, they, they find out

893
00:42:48,430 --> 00:42:51,190
that there's an offer for

894
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:53,630
Amazon to buy the Continental

895
00:42:53,870 --> 00:42:56,030
Studio. And,

896
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,600
and so then they think, but if we deliver a

897
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,360
good presentation, that

898
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,080
deal will, will be done.

899
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,020
I, I don't understand that logic.

900
00:43:09,020 --> 00:43:11,820
>> Will: No. So. No. So no, if it,

901
00:43:11,820 --> 00:43:14,700
if it had flopped. So

902
00:43:14,700 --> 00:43:16,500
that their idea is that.

903
00:43:17,380 --> 00:43:20,340
>> Sarah : Right, right. Like that if it had

904
00:43:20,340 --> 00:43:22,900
flopped, then that deal would be done.

905
00:43:23,950 --> 00:43:26,790
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, they're. Yeah.

906
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:28,430
Well, I think the biggest thing is they, they.

907
00:43:28,430 --> 00:43:30,590
>> Sarah : I guess they didn't want to be bought by,

908
00:43:31,150 --> 00:43:33,470
by Amazon, right?

909
00:43:33,470 --> 00:43:36,470
>> Will: Well, yeah, they wanted. Well, I think, I think that they're trying

910
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:39,070
to basically show that this studio is still.

911
00:43:39,230 --> 00:43:42,040
Still relevant. So, that it

912
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,640
just, I guess if it goes off

913
00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:47,560
successfully, the value of the. Of the studio

914
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,490
becomes so high that, you know, that the tech company is just going

915
00:43:50,490 --> 00:43:53,490
to be like, scared off from buying it and they save their jobs

916
00:43:53,490 --> 00:43:56,370
because if they get bought up, they get bought out, obviously they're

917
00:43:56,370 --> 00:43:59,370
all, you know, they're all gonna get like, you know, eliminated.

918
00:43:59,370 --> 00:43:59,690
So.

919
00:43:59,930 --> 00:44:02,890
>> Sarah : Okay, I. That. That's a little bit better.

920
00:44:04,650 --> 00:44:07,490
>> Will: It's like, it's like. Yeah, it's like all the Paramount stuff

921
00:44:07,490 --> 00:44:10,450
that's going on with Skydance, you know, it's just. It's paralleling a lot

922
00:44:10,450 --> 00:44:12,250
of the things that are happening.

923
00:44:12,250 --> 00:44:14,810
>> Sarah : I understand what it's. What it's paralleling.

924
00:44:15,370 --> 00:44:17,290
I just don't know if

925
00:44:18,090 --> 00:44:20,450
the projects that they were

926
00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:22,850
promoting was enough for like, the

927
00:44:22,850 --> 00:44:25,650
Continental. But I also don't have a

928
00:44:25,650 --> 00:44:28,570
good sense of like, what the Continentals

929
00:44:28,810 --> 00:44:30,650
worth was at the start

930
00:44:31,530 --> 00:44:34,490
of the. The season either, if, you

931
00:44:34,490 --> 00:44:34,730
know.

932
00:44:34,810 --> 00:44:37,730
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it

933
00:44:37,730 --> 00:44:38,010
was,

934
00:44:40,620 --> 00:44:43,220
I think it was sort of. It was sort of in flux, to be

935
00:44:43,220 --> 00:44:46,000
honest. you know, because it seemed like

936
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,640
it, you know, I guess

937
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,960
it was sort of like. I guess like Paramount, you know, they

938
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,760
have these big tent pole, you know, they have these big splashy things,

939
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,010
like, you know, Top Gun and a couple other films

940
00:44:58,010 --> 00:44:59,410
in our. In our universe.

941
00:45:01,730 --> 00:45:04,690
and, you know, it goes back to old legacy Hollywood because, you

942
00:45:04,690 --> 00:45:07,430
know, they still have their old, you know, they still had their big,

943
00:45:07,830 --> 00:45:10,470
you know, production lot and everything like that.

944
00:45:12,570 --> 00:45:15,370
but Griffin was able to, like, you know, he. I guess he was a venture

945
00:45:15,370 --> 00:45:18,010
capitalist or something like that, and he was able to like, you know,

946
00:45:18,010 --> 00:45:20,930
acquire them, print on the cheap. So they were just. He was

947
00:45:20,930 --> 00:45:22,970
just trying to make it a very profitable company.

948
00:45:24,330 --> 00:45:27,130
Yeah, yeah. So I think the idea

949
00:45:27,130 --> 00:45:29,930
was, you know, if they, you know, with. With the slate of

950
00:45:29,930 --> 00:45:32,800
films, they'll just be. They can like, push back

951
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,040
on the narrative that they're just limping along that, you

952
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,000
know, a big predator like Amazon can just come

953
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,560
in and like, just take them over. Like. Like what happened with

954
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:42,160
mgm.

955
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:44,880
>> Sarah : Right, right, yeah.

956
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:45,600
>> Will: Right, yeah.

957
00:45:46,780 --> 00:45:49,700
>> Sarah : well. Well, that is a wrap on the

958
00:45:49,700 --> 00:45:52,170
studio Season one. a good

959
00:45:52,650 --> 00:45:55,650
break and refresher from our. Our

960
00:45:55,650 --> 00:45:58,450
usual stuff, which we will have an

961
00:45:58,450 --> 00:46:01,190
onslaught of throughout, the rest of June

962
00:46:01,510 --> 00:46:04,430
through July or. Honestly.

963
00:46:04,430 --> 00:46:07,270
Yeah, because we're. We're recording on July 1st,

964
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:10,270
right? Yeah, y. Yeah, yeah, July 1st.

965
00:46:10,270 --> 00:46:12,950
So starting in July, the onslaught begins.

966
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:16,630
Back to your normal program, people.

967
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:19,790
>> Will: Yeah, Yep. Back to your normal. Yeah, we. We

968
00:46:19,790 --> 00:46:22,730
were. We dipped our toe into some prestige

969
00:46:22,730 --> 00:46:25,570
tv. Well, we always do. I mean, we're going to be going talk. We'll be

970
00:46:25,570 --> 00:46:28,160
talking about the bear next month as well. But, But yeah,

971
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,040
yeah, but we'll get back to your regularly scheduled

972
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:31,680
nerdom.

973
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,560
>> Sarah : And on that note, Will, why don't you tell our listeners where they can find

974
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:36,880
you?

975
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,290
>> Will: Yes, you can find me at, Will on

976
00:46:40,290 --> 00:46:43,020
all the socials at Will W I L L M P.

977
00:46:43,020 --> 00:46:45,820
>> Sarah : O L K. And you can follow me there too at

978
00:46:45,820 --> 00:46:48,620
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979
00:46:48,620 --> 00:46:51,490
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980
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981
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982
00:46:57,660 --> 00:46:59,020
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983
00:46:59,020 --> 00:47:01,860
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984
00:47:01,860 --> 00:47:04,740
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985
00:47:04,740 --> 00:47:07,580
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986
00:47:07,580 --> 00:47:08,300
You're welcome.

987
00:47:16,540 --> 00:47:31,900
>> Will: Sam.