Ironheart: Why It's Worth Watching (Episodes 1-3 Analysis)

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>> Will: Music

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>> Sarah : Greetings, Nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont, and with me, as

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always, is our Mr. Producer, Will Polk. How are you doing tonight, Will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. Happy July 1st.

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>> Sarah : Oh, my God. Thank God June's over.

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Yeah, just felt long.

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Like, usually July feels long to me, which I

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am fully prepared for it to be the never

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ending month. But June this

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year felt like somehow there was

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an extra week.

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It was like. It's like, all right, all right,

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let's. Let's. Let's get going.

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>> Will: Yeah, but, but, yeah,

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yeah, but, yeah, but July, it's like, oh, you know, I

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was posted, on our blog as far as, like, all the content. It's

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like, I know earlier this year when we had, like, the

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overlap of, like, the Last of Us and then

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Andor and Daredevil. Now this month, we have,

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like, all. Now we've got, like, another big month

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of just, like, stuff. And then we're talking

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Iron Heart tonight. And then, and then, of course, we

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got, you know, a couple little small films coming out this

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month. and then.

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>> Sarah : And also, yeah, there's

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stuff this month, but I was thinking about it

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before we got on. We.

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There isn't a lot of overlap.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So. So it's, It's. It's an interesting

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comparison to what happened in the,

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I don't know, like, Collision Course that

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was March through April through me.

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Like, okay, calm down, people.

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But, but, Because they decided

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to change the release order of Iron

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Heart, we're gonna get that out of way and then head to the

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movies and then get back for the Bear, which

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got, renewed for a fifth season. I'm not, I'm

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not. Like, this is news to Will

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for me. I was like, it's already gonna get.

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>> Will: You know, I, you know, I. Given the

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lack of fanfare that

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this fourth season has gotten, I mean, you know, I

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honestly, you know, it was one of those things. Speaking of

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June, it was like it was coming, and I knew it was, like,

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going to come at the end of the month. And maybe to your point about, you know, June

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being a long month, it just kind of snuck up on me.

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But when it was released, I was like, oh, yeah, the pair

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came out. Or maybe it's because we're going to wait

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to cover it, you know, this month. Maybe that's why

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I was just sort of like, well, I know I'm gonna watch it in. In a few

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weeks. I'm not going to watch it when it drops in the. You know.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah. I Think it's

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more about that and also trying to stay

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away from anything, for

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spoilers or for even just like.

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No, I want to go into this form my own

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opinions. I don't want to have anyone,

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like, an idea of what I should expect.

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Like, I don't want my expectations

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hampered. I mean, I watched.

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Okay, I know what to expect.

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>> Will: Yeah, but. Yeah, but it was. Yeah,

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but, you know, but usually. But the thing is, especially with streaming

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shows these days, usually when it's a

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sure bet for renewal, I mean, you know,

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it's not uncommon for things to get renewed, even, you know, either

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day of premiere or a few days before the

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premiere. And I guess that's where it was. And also, just.

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Honestly, just the cast, everyone is

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really just going to be so busy with upcoming projects. I mean, you got

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Jeremy Allen White. I know he's doing the Springsteen. I think

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he's, Is it also going to be in, the, upcoming

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Star wars film? that. With Ryan Gosling, you know,

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IO she's got stuff going, you know, I mean,

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everybody's just super busy. So it was just like,

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will they have time to film it? But season five

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was officially.

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>> Sarah : will they have time to film the fifth season?

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>> Will: Yeah, they're gonna film it.

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>> Sarah : They give a release date

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2026. So next year. Okay, next year.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. The only reason why they had time to do a lot

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of the projects that are getting released for these actors is

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because they filmed season, three and season four back

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to back.

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>> Will: Sure. True.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. So. So they had already figured that

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out. And so, yes, they have projects, but

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for most part they're in other than that, Star Wars

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1, they're probably in the

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promotional area which allows them

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to, to, be open for filming

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of that show. And they're probably all contracted for at least

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five to six seasons, so.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: And a good thing about it too is like, I mean, post production on the show,

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it's not like one of the sci fi shows where you have like a bunch

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of special effects and stuff either. So they can really turn it around.

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>> Sarah : Yes.

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what else? Ah, Dene Ville New is set

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to direct the next James Bond movie.

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>> Will: Yeah. So this was

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a big Bond person, but I. But I am. And when

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I. When I saw this, When I saw this news, I, was

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pretty excited, actually. I know this is the first

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project that since the acquisition

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of the Bond franchise by Amazon,

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from. From the MGN and the Broccoli family.

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So, so I know there was a lot of discussion about Whether or

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not Christopher Nolan was going to do it or, or

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someone else. But, Yeah, but then he was,

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signed to do it and now we'll just sort of see who's going to be

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the next Bond.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, that, that's, that's the question that I really

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want answered, especially with Dene on

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board to direct. so

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that, That'll be interesting. What direction they go with

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that. Christopher, Nolan's the

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Odyssey trailer has leaked online.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, Nolan

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really, really likes to have his

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trailers released, you know,

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cinematically. But. But

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apparently the, the trailer dropped.

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Was leaked today. this is a screen grab from it and

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I did not pull it because I didn't want to get a copyright strike

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on our, on our show, because

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Universal's pretty, pretty aggressively going after

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it. But it, was, I think about a 70s, about a

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minute and a half long teaser trailer. yeah,

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it had, you know, clearly Matt Damon is playing

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dcs. John, Barenthal was also in this

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trailer with a mystery character. Tom Holland, of course, is in it

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as well. And, I think, several. Many other other

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folks. But, yeah, it did drop

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and if you, if you're lucky enough to. If you want to see it,

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it is out there on, On Twitter and, tick

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tock. And. But, but I know Universal is

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very aggressively struck, striking those,

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sites down who are, putting

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copyright strikes on them. So, you know, if you see it,

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great. If not, you know, just be like the rest of us and

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wait for it when it comes out. But this film is actually,

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slated to come out in 2026 as well.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, in July.

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>> Will: In July. Yep.

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>> Sarah : Yep. Nolan loves

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his July release date.

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>> Will: He does.

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>> Sarah : So, and then Matt Reeves and co

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writer Matson Tomlin have finished the

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Batman 2 SC script. And all I

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have to say about that is, who cares?

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Like, like, honestly, I'm not a big fan of

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the first movie that came out, even though I love

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the casting that occurred. But,

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I mean, the Penguin,

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like, I even forgot about that. But,

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but I, I love the Penguin is my favorite,

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show I watched last year.

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But that doesn't necessarily mean, like,

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oh, yay, the Batman too. Because

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all I can really think about this is

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it just makes me question things

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because you're telling me

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way back, like 5,000

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years ago, because it feels like

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it's been so long since the Batman

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first came out. Like,

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they didn't, they didn't think that it was gonna

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do good enough to already have an idea for the

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sequel. Like they didn't

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like. I, I just, I just wonder.

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and, and from what I vaguely recall

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of the ending, you didn't already have an

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idea of where the character was gonna go for

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sequels? Because it's Batman. Like

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it's going to do well. It's

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just, Sorry, I just For me, I

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just question why so long? Why did

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it take forever to get made? And especially

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with all of the talk about spin offs

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and all of this other stuff. And the only thing that really

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came of anything regarding all of

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that talk was the Penguin, which

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also took a while to

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get developed and in production and finally shot

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and then aired last year. So.

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>> Will: Yeah, well, from what I understand, it was a

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part of. It was. I think Matt had some things happen in his personal

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life that interrupted him

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drafting the, the, the

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sequel. Plus, plus there was also

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the writer strike. I mean that also added

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time, where they could. Where pins were down. So,

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so I think there were some extenuating circumstances

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that delayed

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getting the, the final script

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ready. But he finally did finish it and

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it'll be hopefully, I guess they'll be

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really moving towards production and I think currently the, the film

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is slated to come out in I think October of

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2027.

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>> Sarah : So I'll believe it when I see.

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>> Will: It.

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>> Sarah : When I see it. because, because the

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original was slated for an October date and it got

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pushed back to a March. But.

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>> Will: Yes, yeah, yeah, but Warner, Warner does

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that though, see, with a lot of their films.

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>> Sarah : Yes, they do. Yes, they do.

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another trailer I did not see was Eyes on

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Wakanda which, dropped and It's a

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new four episode animated series in

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that is coming to Disney plus on August

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27th.

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>> Will: Yep, yep. So yeah, that's the

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animated. That's the other Ryan Coogler.

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and I've also developed this

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and it looks like, I think it's a prequel, if I recall, for, for some of

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the backstory for, for

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Wakanda. And Yeah, I think all four episodes

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are dropping at once. So I did see, I did see the little teaser that

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they dropped today. It looks really good. Looks really good.

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>> Sarah : That's good. Yeah, that's good. And it makes sense that

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you drop that,

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while people are watching Iron Heart.

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I know the, the

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second half of the season dropped

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today. tonight we're just talking about the first three

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episodes and next week we'll wrap up with the final three

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episodes and all that. I'm M

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thinking about is the fact that we didn't talk about how we're going to do

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this during the pre show.

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So, I'm just gonna go through

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each episode's IMDb

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summary. Okay. And then I'll

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circle back and just say an

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overall thought that, that can

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get us started. Okay. I don't think we need to

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break down necessarily episode by episode, but

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that's just me. so, so

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episode one is called Take Me Home. MIT

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student riri Williams builds an advanced armor

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suit inspired by Tony Stark. While dealing with

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challenges as a young black woman in tech, she

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confronts a tech based threat and must decide

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if she's ready to become iron heart. The

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second episode, will the real Natalie please

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stand up? RiRi's new AI dredges

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up, painful men at Murray's ahead of her first

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heist with Parker and his crew in

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episode three, We Endanger Girl. RiRi

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is uncomfortable being part of Parker's crew.

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Two more heists, Max, and she's out,

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she promises. So,

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Will, what is like

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an overall or an opening

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thought that you have about

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RiRi and these, these three

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episodes?

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. So my overall first thought

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is, you know, Disney really like

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screwed the pooch with the lack

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of publicity for this show because

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I, I actually really did enjoy the, these

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three episodes overall. Did they blow me away?

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you know, no, but, but,

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you know, but it also, but they were very solid.

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I also think that just, I'll just go ahead and just put

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it out there as far as some of the, the review

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bombing that was happening by, a lot of neck

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beards and people, you know, in bad faith. What, you know,

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review bombing the show before it even aired. I mean, we

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just call it for what it is. It's a bunch, you know, it was just a bunch of

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misogynist, racist. And so,

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and you know, I think it's. And so when I did

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see the 86 rotten

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tomato score, I mean, for, you know, for folks who do put

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stock in those things, I was just like, you know, some, you know, and I do

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use it as a barometer. you know, certified fresh. I was

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like, you know, that was a nice fu to all those review bombers,

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right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, but I do

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have it too. What, As I said earlier, I, I, I'm glad. You

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know, I know, it was a lot of grassroots,

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organic, you know, publicity that

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people did for this show. I do. But I also

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do think that it was very wise of them to,

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to do this, this, this Release structure.

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How. How they. How they rolled it out with the three

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and three. Because obviously, like you said, we

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haven't watched the. The final three episodes that

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are airing tonight as we were. As we're recording this.

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But I, I, they, you know, as a

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miniseries, I think they. The three

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stories do work very,

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like a little mini movie, which, you know, is. I think it's

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more common these days. Whenever series do, you

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know, get rolled out, they'll do it this way. And.

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And I think that really did complement the. The show very

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well to do it that way. because I will say,

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you know, the sec. The. The first episode, you

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know, I've watched, I watched. Watches the

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episodes twice because I wanted to be really, just

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to be fair, I try to always watch things twice if I can.

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And you know,

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the first episode. The first episode when

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I first watched it, like I said, didn't blow me

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away, but I was just like, this is entertaining.

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but watching everything again, this show has

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a lot in it and a lot. And I don't know, whenever we get in more

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detail, breakdown on some of the. Some of the

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aspects of it, you know, it

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really is a very solid and very, very good show in my opinion. I

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like. Honestly, I'll just put it out there. I like the better in Daredevil.

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Born Again.

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>> Sarah : Wow.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Interesting. I like this

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show. I'm not in love with this show. I. I

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think it has a lot of flaws.

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I, I have. I have issues with it.

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and I, Yeah,

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I. I think. I think Disney did a horrible

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job at promotion, but also I

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think based on the job that they did and what

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they delivered, I feel like they just wanted to.

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To hide it. They wanted to bury it almost.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : because they didn't believe in it. and so.

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But

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overall it's. It's interesting

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because since watching the three episodes,

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I like, I was. I was pretty engaged

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through most of it.

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and. But I'm a bit biased. And

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I'm biased and I say that because I'm

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biased towards the actress who plays

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Natalie

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because that actress, whose name

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is Lyric, she played a very

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pivotal character on this Is Us. okay.

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And I recently watched her

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on the that Was Us podcast because she

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comes on and I love her

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relationship, like, both on and off screen with

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Sterling K. Brown. So

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I'm a bit biased to like that character,

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and root for. And it's. It's weird

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because when. When I talk about riri,

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I liked her Riri more in Wakanda. Forever

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than I do in this show. And.

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But it's also

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strange to say that because

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I find her relationship with

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Natalie Verse and

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her relationship with Joe,

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who. I mean, I know his real name,

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Ezekiel, AKA Ezekiel

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Stein, to be the best parts of the show.

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Like the. The. Her. The actress who

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plays Riri, her chemistry with both Lyric

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and Alden. Alden Reich. Like,

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those two dynamics

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work so well.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : And then everything else is,

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I would say,

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boring to me.

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Like I say in the sermons of like,

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okay, now we're entering after school special

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territory. But,

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>> Will: Yeah, see, see, here's the thing. This is why,

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Why it's like. And maybe it's just, I don't

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know, they're like where. I think this

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show where people. Because I know, you know, obviously we'll

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talk about the AI Piece and that was one of the things you and I messaged about over the

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weekend. But there was one element of the story

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with. With. With,

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the hood, with Parker and. And

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his. And his m. And his, you know, taking on the

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billionaires and stuff. And. And part of it is

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something that, you know, I hadn't heard any people reactors,

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at least the ones. Some of. Some of the big bigger ones talk

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about. But the whole thing with the whole,

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first mission with RIRI and the,

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With the tunnel. And you know, they

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talk about how, you know, the. The

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tunnel. One of the, you know, underlying things that's going to

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connect the city and all the. All these great things that the

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tunnel is going to do. And then, you know, I can't help but think about like,

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gentrification and also like. And seeing how

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like, freeways that are like, cut, through,

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like minority, black, you know,

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communities and stuff.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: And yeah, it's supposed to be all this great stuff and, and

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all that. And, and. And so when

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I see this thing about the tunnel, I think about an experience here, like in

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the town that I live in where everybody talked about how great the

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freeway is going to be cut through, you know, m. You know, going to be done. But of course

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they like, cut it right through the middle of the black neighborhood.

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And so, so for me, when I watch

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it, and maybe, you know, maybe it is a cultural filter kind of thing that

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maybe for. For. Maybe that's why it resonates with some

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audiences more than others. You know, they're. They're

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experiences that are built into the show

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that I can. That I, That I identify

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with because I'm like, oh, yeah, this reminds, you know, the. The

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tunnel and, and and, and, and the crew

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that, you know, whenever they were like talking about

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some of the. The. The

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why they were doing it, I was like, ah,

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yeah, you know, I thought about the Durham Freeway here in town. Because

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it's the kind of things that like that, you know, those are.

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It may not be like. And, and, and it's. And

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it's to be good writing because it's not like the over.

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Oh, you know, it's not the big

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exposition dump or beating you over the head with it.

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But, you know, those are some of the things that you can like, bake into the

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story that, you know, that, may, you know, that may

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miss. That some viewers may miss.

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>> Sarah : Right, right.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So you're saying that not a lot of people are talking about

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it.

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>> Will: I mean, not that. I mean, that's just. Well, I mean. Well, you know, a lot of

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things I've seen this is like, you know, the whole criminal. Is

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she a criminal? You know, the Robin Hood, the whole, you know, rich,

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Robin are rich. And you know, you

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know, of course there's like the. Scott, Scott, you know,

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the rear. He's doing criminal acts. And then, you know, there's the.

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Well, so, you know, Scott Lang was a felon, you know, as far as, you

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know. You know, so there's been some of that discourse out there,

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but, But I haven't seen

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anything as far as some of the, you know, that

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aspect of the tunnel. I mean, and maybe there is. I just, you know.

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>> Sarah : Right, right. No, I mean, you raised a

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very valid point.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : that. And obviously from where I

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grew up, like, I don't have that same

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experience at all. And that can be lost on me.

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But at the same time, hearing

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that and the few discussions I have

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heard overheard about this show,

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people have point out is like,

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considering we're talking about the hood and his

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vendettas, like this idea

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that you have a.

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Someone who. Whose power and ability

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lies in tech versus someone

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who's in the mystical realm, like,

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magic versus technology. That's very interesting,

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but for me as a viewer,

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they ain't selling

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doesn't. For some reason it does not. It

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falls flat. And, And I

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all. I mainly blame Antony

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Ramos, but I also know he's just performing

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what he. Like the script. But

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I, I just. There's something about it. Like.

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And I will be frankly honest, like,

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I mean, yes, we already established I

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don't have that experience with the tunnels to make that connection.

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even though there is a line in the show which

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did stand out to Me where they talk about like,

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yeah, but nobody seems to care about the communities that these

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tunnels are going to destroy.

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>> Will: That's it. That was.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, like, like that's a great line and a good point.

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But for some reason they, they

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should have done something where

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you actually see a community. You see.

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No, not a community. Something

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that really affects riri.

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>> Sarah : Like, this is, this is why I

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kind of just gave that general thing of

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like everything else is. Is. Because

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here's my, like

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an issue I have is,

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yes, the Hood

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Parker has these vendettas. This

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show is called Iron Heart.

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So we really are following

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riri. So we don't have time,

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like, there's not enough time to

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explore the vendettas, but

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also make it meaningful

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for, for riri. And, and if you, and

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if they had done that because say,

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say the first tunnel that was built

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disrupted, like the neighborhood where,

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where Natalie used to live. Okay. and

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you see that. And as a viewer, you

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pick up on like, why

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riri would, not only not

504
00:24:04,050 --> 00:24:07,050
just for the money, but also the personal

505
00:24:07,450 --> 00:24:09,970
side of it. And as a

506
00:24:09,970 --> 00:24:12,890
viewer, you, you start to empathize

507
00:24:12,890 --> 00:24:15,810
with that loss. So then all of a sudden,

508
00:24:15,810 --> 00:24:18,570
like you, that whole idea

509
00:24:18,570 --> 00:24:21,450
about criminal versus hero,

510
00:24:21,610 --> 00:24:23,550
like that gray area

511
00:24:24,510 --> 00:24:27,480
becomes broader and more, emotional

512
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,200
and, and just the motivations are more clear.

513
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,920
Like, I don't know, they're at there. I, I

514
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,800
find myself. The more I think about it and more I

515
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,440
talk out loud and rant, I think

516
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,720
there's like two different shows almost

517
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,760
happening. There's the Hood show and then there's

518
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,680
Ironheart. And I like the Iron

519
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,600
Heart show because with the Ironheart show,

520
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,840
I get to see her play off of

521
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,320
Joe and I get to see her play off of

522
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,280
Natalie. The Hood show,

523
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,400
I'm not, I'm not on board with.

524
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,950
>> Will: Yeah. And, and maybe. And I, I, I will agree

525
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:09,790
with you. I guess it really. As far as the

526
00:25:09,790 --> 00:25:12,630
hood, I mean, the hood,

527
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:15,530
the band, around him.

528
00:25:15,770 --> 00:25:16,250
>> Sarah : Yeah.

529
00:25:17,130 --> 00:25:20,070
>> Will: I, mean, I, I, you know, I actually, you know, those characters.

530
00:25:21,030 --> 00:25:23,640
Yeah. You know, you, know, are the oceans 11 or,

531
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,440
or spy Kids or whatever. Or whatever. You know, whatever.

532
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,320
You, you know, I, I've

533
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:30,760
seen like.

534
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,760
>> Sarah : It wasn't Spy Kids. It was. Are we Ocean's 11

535
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,760
or are we, Are we the Sopranos? Like, are we

536
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,490
gonna kill people or are we just stealing things?

537
00:25:41,050 --> 00:25:43,970
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll think of Spy Kids. I was thinking

538
00:25:43,970 --> 00:25:46,620
about Riri and Natalie to your point about, you, know, again,

539
00:25:46,780 --> 00:25:49,500
the strength of their relationship. Yeah,

540
00:25:50,060 --> 00:25:52,670
yeah. but you know, But I, I,

541
00:25:52,910 --> 00:25:55,390
I think it was the moments.

542
00:25:56,750 --> 00:25:59,710
Yeah. Maybe this is where the sixth episode,

543
00:25:59,910 --> 00:26:02,500
run time, you know, hurts the show.

544
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,400
because to, I, I agree with you that

545
00:26:08,060 --> 00:26:10,620
the, the motivations for, for

546
00:26:11,020 --> 00:26:11,820
Parker

547
00:26:13,580 --> 00:26:16,460
aren't they're, they're

548
00:26:16,460 --> 00:26:19,180
sort of surface level and,

549
00:26:19,260 --> 00:26:21,100
and not, you know, it's sort of like,

550
00:26:22,780 --> 00:26:25,780
I mean, I know, you know, part, you know, we get some of it with like, with

551
00:26:25,780 --> 00:26:28,780
the tattoos and the, you know, hiding the scales. You know, that,

552
00:26:28,780 --> 00:26:31,780
that clown, talks about, you know, John doing the, you know,

553
00:26:31,780 --> 00:26:34,700
the tattoos and all that kind of stuff. So we get, we get, we

554
00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:37,660
do get that there is some kind of Faustian bargain that he's made

555
00:26:37,660 --> 00:26:40,300
with probably Mephisto. But man, by the time this

556
00:26:40,300 --> 00:26:43,020
airs, you know, that maybe be confirmed by

557
00:26:43,020 --> 00:26:44,940
the, you know, by the time we,

558
00:26:45,950 --> 00:26:48,790
talk about it next week. But, you know, so there

559
00:26:48,790 --> 00:26:50,350
are, there's elements of it.

560
00:26:50,910 --> 00:26:53,430
>> Sarah : Yeah, I just. Okay. The, the

561
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:55,790
Mephisto of it. All right. Okay.

562
00:26:57,070 --> 00:26:59,710
I thought like, after the whole

563
00:26:59,710 --> 00:27:02,270
Wanda vision and then Loki

564
00:27:02,270 --> 00:27:05,210
debacle with Memphis, though, like,

565
00:27:05,850 --> 00:27:08,840
from, what I understand there's, there's issues

566
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,040
with actually utilizing that character because

567
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,040
of, like, this platform

568
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,680
is worldwide and they're not going to get

569
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:18,920
viewers over in China.

570
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,840
>> Will: I've heard that. But I also have heard that they actually

571
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,280
cast Ash Baron Crow Coin. Has Mephisto

572
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:27,560
show up in the show?

573
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,560
>> Sarah : Got it. Got it. Okay. All right. Spoiler

574
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:31,870
alert. Ruined.

575
00:27:33,070 --> 00:27:33,630
Okay.

576
00:27:33,950 --> 00:27:34,750
>> Will: Like, I don't know.

577
00:27:34,750 --> 00:27:37,470
>> Sarah : Yeah, I, I think they're, they're, they're

578
00:27:37,470 --> 00:27:40,110
teasing stuff with him. M. But

579
00:27:40,750 --> 00:27:43,630
we, we still don't have like, like

580
00:27:43,630 --> 00:27:46,510
at the end of, at the end of the last episode

581
00:27:47,149 --> 00:27:49,390
when, when his cousin dies

582
00:27:50,750 --> 00:27:53,310
and, and he's screaming the loss.

583
00:27:53,550 --> 00:27:56,350
I will, I will be honest. I was like, I don't, I

584
00:27:56,350 --> 00:27:58,320
don't care because I don't really,

585
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,160
I don't know their relationship

586
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:02,800
that well.

587
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,160
>> Will: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I hear you. I mean,

588
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,600
I know like, you know, there, you know, in the first

589
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,200
episode, whenever we were first introduced to

590
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,960
Parker and John, you know, when they see riri flying

591
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,440
over Chicago after she gets kicked out of mit,

592
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,080
you know, there was again, I, I get where you're coming from,

593
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,880
and I, and I agree. I mean, that's, that's one, you know, that's why I

594
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,600
said, I mean, I thought it was solid, but you know,

595
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,400
there's things that, I mean, not going to be like rose colored

596
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,280
glasses here. Yeah, there, that, that is an element that I

597
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,200
think is, is

598
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,840
not fully developed. I, I will, I will, I will. I

599
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,720
Will, I will agree with you there. There's elements. There's elements

600
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,640
of it there. We do see the relationship. We do know that

601
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,120
Park John was responsible for,

602
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,590
you know, taking Parker in whenever he was. When he

603
00:28:50,590 --> 00:28:53,590
was young and helped raise him and that kind of stuff. But there. So.

604
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:53,950
But,

605
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,680
>> Sarah : There. There's not really any emotional

606
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,600
attachment. And the other thing I have

607
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,760
with the whole hood

608
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,840
storyline is now

609
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,820
I like the. I, initially liked

610
00:29:12,980 --> 00:29:15,780
the. The band. I like the ensemble,

611
00:29:17,130 --> 00:29:19,890
even though they have some of the lamest powers. I'm

612
00:29:19,890 --> 00:29:22,170
talking mainly about the punching twins.

613
00:29:22,730 --> 00:29:25,690
But I, I don't.

614
00:29:27,770 --> 00:29:29,690
I. I just. What I.

615
00:29:31,290 --> 00:29:34,250
We're not seeing. They were

616
00:29:34,250 --> 00:29:37,090
introduced to them on with a job

617
00:29:37,090 --> 00:29:38,250
that goes wrong,

618
00:29:40,810 --> 00:29:43,630
and then they need riri, and she's

619
00:29:43,630 --> 00:29:46,150
really the only reason why the next one goes

620
00:29:46,150 --> 00:29:48,910
correctly. And so I'm just thinking

621
00:29:49,230 --> 00:29:51,750
like this whole time, especially every time

622
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:54,630
Parker, dibs come kind of pep talk. I'm just

623
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:57,390
like, how many jobs did you guys

624
00:29:57,390 --> 00:30:00,190
do together before we got here,

625
00:30:00,590 --> 00:30:03,070
before we recap? That went good.

626
00:30:03,390 --> 00:30:06,030
Because I don't. I don't. I don't see the track

627
00:30:06,030 --> 00:30:08,030
record that you're bragging about.

628
00:30:12,620 --> 00:30:15,540
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point. And. And

629
00:30:15,540 --> 00:30:18,420
I think that's the other thing too. I mean, Parker. I mean, he's not

630
00:30:18,420 --> 00:30:20,860
like, maybe he's not a criminal

631
00:30:20,860 --> 00:30:23,820
mastermind or. Or even, you know,

632
00:30:24,700 --> 00:30:27,580
and. And not even another thing too.

633
00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:30,860
That was a. That's a nitpick of mine. Just with these. With the,

634
00:30:30,860 --> 00:30:33,660
you know, with the. With the heist that they were doing and this

635
00:30:33,660 --> 00:30:35,500
whole contract thing. I mean,

636
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,760
you know, the. There. This contract,

637
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,760
as soon as these

638
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,360
barren capitalists of industry in Chicago, like, give

639
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,480
this to their lawyers or whatever, they would like,

640
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,870
immediately, like it's

641
00:30:51,870 --> 00:30:54,870
null and void because it was. You know, these things are signed under

642
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:57,790
duress. So I mean, so again, you know, so

643
00:30:57,790 --> 00:31:00,150
from that standpoint, just thinking through things,

644
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,760
your. To your point. Yeah. How do these things even go

645
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,720
successfully to begin with? And maybe that's. And that maybe that's a flaw.

646
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,520
You know, maybe that. That is to sort of highlight in the flaws of.

647
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,400
Of these characters. And. And why when riri,

648
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,790
when. Whenever they do do the, greenhouse

649
00:31:15,790 --> 00:31:17,660
heist, you know, her.

650
00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:22,220
Well, I guess it was her. It was actually her mistake that caused the problem

651
00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:23,500
that time. But, you know.

652
00:31:23,580 --> 00:31:24,780
>> Sarah : Yeah, that was all on her.

653
00:31:25,020 --> 00:31:28,020
>> Will: That was all on her. But. But the other. But the other two. You see.

654
00:31:28,020 --> 00:31:30,970
Well, actually, now that you think about it, even the. Was

655
00:31:30,970 --> 00:31:33,890
on her because Natalie, like, jumped

656
00:31:33,890 --> 00:31:36,330
in and caused us. Her to lose the thing. So.

657
00:31:36,330 --> 00:31:36,810
>> Sarah : Yeah.

658
00:31:37,290 --> 00:31:38,370
>> Will: Yeah. So.

659
00:31:38,370 --> 00:31:41,210
>> Sarah : But I, I also. I mean to your point about

660
00:31:41,210 --> 00:31:43,930
the contracts, there. There's something just

661
00:31:44,090 --> 00:31:45,370
not threatening.

662
00:31:45,930 --> 00:31:46,410
>> Will: Yeah.

663
00:31:46,410 --> 00:31:49,330
>> Sarah : About the Hood. And, And I, And

664
00:31:49,330 --> 00:31:52,330
I kind of understand because they want to present him

665
00:31:52,490 --> 00:31:55,410
as Robin Hood. And so

666
00:31:55,410 --> 00:31:57,930
you. You feel like, oh, he can't be that bad.

667
00:31:58,400 --> 00:31:59,840
But at the same time,

668
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,680
the, The. It's just

669
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,960
the. Like overall, the biggest.

670
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,720
My biggest issue, and I've said this about

671
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,520
other shows is especially in this

672
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,440
genre, I. I still believe

673
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,240
firmly that whether it's a movie or a TV show,

674
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,880
it's only ever as good as

675
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:22,720
the villain.

676
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:23,920
>> Will: That's. That's true.

677
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,520
>> Sarah : Be. And. And you can have like, like

678
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,760
you can have a really good strong

679
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,570
character, be your.

680
00:32:32,890 --> 00:32:35,260
Your Your hero, but

681
00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:38,380
their motivations often have to be

682
00:32:38,380 --> 00:32:41,060
intertwined with that villain character.

683
00:32:41,060 --> 00:32:43,980
And you have to understand what

684
00:32:43,980 --> 00:32:46,940
the villain is doing and why or else everything

685
00:32:47,180 --> 00:32:49,910
just feels basic

686
00:32:50,390 --> 00:32:53,180
and just like, yeah, this is, we've seen

687
00:32:53,180 --> 00:32:56,180
this story before and, and so you're.

688
00:32:56,900 --> 00:32:59,700
Yeah. So. So I, I think that's where

689
00:33:00,820 --> 00:33:03,780
really the. The root of my issues are

690
00:33:03,780 --> 00:33:06,660
because with what I call the Iron

691
00:33:06,660 --> 00:33:09,460
Heart storyline with Riri, Natalie

692
00:33:09,460 --> 00:33:12,380
and Ezekiel, I find that

693
00:33:12,380 --> 00:33:14,100
stuff to be fun and

694
00:33:15,580 --> 00:33:18,140
not. Not totally like,

695
00:33:19,580 --> 00:33:22,500
like blown away by anything, but I'm like, okay, I

696
00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:24,700
could. I could get on board with this.

697
00:33:25,260 --> 00:33:28,170
but. And it's not just because of

698
00:33:28,170 --> 00:33:31,050
the emotional attachment or anything. I

699
00:33:31,050 --> 00:33:33,750
just think that, the actress who plays

700
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:36,750
Riri has both good chem. On screen

701
00:33:36,750 --> 00:33:39,710
chemistry with those other characters. More

702
00:33:39,710 --> 00:33:42,220
so than anytime she's with

703
00:33:42,220 --> 00:33:43,380
Parker in the gang.

704
00:33:43,860 --> 00:33:45,780
>> Will: Yeah. And also, you know, other.

705
00:33:46,740 --> 00:33:49,660
I think the other thing too, like the relationships that she also

706
00:33:49,660 --> 00:33:52,460
has Xavier and her mother as

707
00:33:52,460 --> 00:33:53,540
well. I mean all.

708
00:33:53,620 --> 00:33:53,640
>> Sarah : Yeah.

709
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,160
>> Will: I mean I think those are like the emotional cores of like

710
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,880
that. That is the. The

711
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,830
driving definitely driving the show and the story. very

712
00:34:02,830 --> 00:34:05,470
well. And to your point about one thing we

713
00:34:05,470 --> 00:34:08,440
mentioned about the villains and, and. And. And their motivations

714
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,290
and stuff. you know, you know, because, you

715
00:34:11,290 --> 00:34:14,130
know, usually and maybe this is like

716
00:34:14,850 --> 00:34:17,250
with. With how the third episode and

717
00:34:17,410 --> 00:34:20,340
ended, with riri, you know, you

718
00:34:20,340 --> 00:34:23,140
know, pulling. Pulling a Bruce Wayne and Batman begins. I

719
00:34:23,140 --> 00:34:25,980
don't, you know, I don't have to. I don't. I won't kill you, but I

720
00:34:25,980 --> 00:34:27,340
won't. I won't save you either.

721
00:34:29,390 --> 00:34:31,630
with. With Joe or John.

722
00:34:33,820 --> 00:34:35,980
maybe that is sort of the catalyst that will

723
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:39,420
m. As the story turns.

724
00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:42,380
Will. Will. Will get that.

725
00:34:43,420 --> 00:34:45,660
That tension point between the two of Them,

726
00:34:46,430 --> 00:34:49,140
especially, when maybe when he

727
00:34:49,140 --> 00:34:51,740
figures out that she, you know, did steal a piece of the cloak

728
00:34:52,380 --> 00:34:55,170
and. And. And, you know,

729
00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:56,770
and was responsible for.

730
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:57,520
>> Sarah : For.

731
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,330
>> Will: For John's death, especially whenever

732
00:35:00,730 --> 00:35:03,370
whoever is manipulating the cloak,

733
00:35:03,730 --> 00:35:06,520
from the mystical side, you know, had, you know, had John

734
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,360
show up in the, you know, and. And

735
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,479
expose the betrayal about it on the

736
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:13,520
14. So.

737
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,680
>> Sarah : Even though he already told us who.

738
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,720
>> Will: Yeah, Yeah, I know it's

739
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:23,600
Mephisto, but just to give myself, you know, we've been burned by.

740
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,400
For so many times over the years.

741
00:35:28,460 --> 00:35:31,340
This was the show. Mephisto was supposed to show up in it.

742
00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:32,300
He didn't.

743
00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:35,500
>> Sarah : This was the show. No, this was the show. No,

744
00:35:35,980 --> 00:35:37,460
it was the show he was.

745
00:35:37,460 --> 00:35:39,100
>> Will: Supposed to show up in. Agatha. Nope.

746
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:44,710
>> Sarah : what else do you want to talk about?

747
00:35:45,350 --> 00:35:48,140
>> Will: Well, I know we touched on. I know over the weekend, we. We,

748
00:35:48,140 --> 00:35:51,060
you know, did talk about the AI of it all

749
00:35:51,140 --> 00:35:53,930
and, and having the, you know,

750
00:35:54,810 --> 00:35:57,530
the Natalie show up, you know, be to

751
00:35:58,970 --> 00:36:01,930
her image showing up. And, And I know for

752
00:36:01,930 --> 00:36:04,810
me it was just. I guess it was in the context of,

753
00:36:04,890 --> 00:36:07,849
I think earlier in either last week or a week before last,

754
00:36:07,849 --> 00:36:10,690
I was just sort of just reading, seeing some stories in

755
00:36:10,690 --> 00:36:13,600
the news about, there was AI generator out

756
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,200
there. Someone had like, put a picture of their deceased

757
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,170
family member and, you know, generated a video and

758
00:36:19,170 --> 00:36:21,650
stuff from it. And just, you know, just from the ethical

759
00:36:22,770 --> 00:36:25,730
standpoint of just, you know, just. It just

760
00:36:25,730 --> 00:36:27,730
really struck me and also, especially when

761
00:36:28,290 --> 00:36:31,250
Natalie and. And Ronnie had

762
00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:34,080
that moment, when, you know, when Ronnie,

763
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,960
what was, you know, doing the painting and, And Natalie like,

764
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,960
appeared work. You got away.

765
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,800
Worked away out of the laptop and projected herself

766
00:36:43,290 --> 00:36:46,290
and, and just the whole ethics of it all.

767
00:36:46,290 --> 00:36:49,170
And then also just thinking when Ronnie was asking, you know,

768
00:36:49,170 --> 00:36:52,160
riri, could. Could you. Could you make, make another

769
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:52,600
Gary?

770
00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:53,330
>> Sarah : And.

771
00:36:53,330 --> 00:36:54,850
>> Will: And, and, and, and. And

772
00:36:55,810 --> 00:36:58,400
riri said, no, sorry, I can't. Ah,

773
00:36:59,010 --> 00:37:01,810
just the whole ethics of, you know, just some of the whole thing

774
00:37:01,890 --> 00:37:04,850
around it too. Especially like, you

775
00:37:04,850 --> 00:37:07,650
know, the. The. The dynamic that riri had

776
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,990
initially, you know, with. With.

777
00:37:11,070 --> 00:37:13,670
With Natalie or the A.I.

778
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:15,710
natalie, very clear.

779
00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:20,100
just the. Just it was

780
00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:23,020
like she, you know, she. She was trying

781
00:37:23,020 --> 00:37:25,940
to like, you know, end it and, you know, kill the, you

782
00:37:25,940 --> 00:37:28,820
know, end the AI Race the AI. So it was

783
00:37:28,820 --> 00:37:31,700
almost like, you know, she. It was on. On some

784
00:37:31,700 --> 00:37:34,550
level she was like, this is wrong. But. But at the

785
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:37,550
same time, over, you know, as. As they,

786
00:37:39,150 --> 00:37:42,030
you know, needed her to, you know, rebuild a

787
00:37:42,030 --> 00:37:44,430
suit and, and all that kind of stuff, she began to

788
00:37:45,630 --> 00:37:48,510
begin to fall on it. But it just really just, you know, there's

789
00:37:48,510 --> 00:37:51,310
someone, you know, we've all in some form, you know, lost

790
00:37:51,310 --> 00:37:54,310
people. And just thinking about the ethics of it and this thing and also just

791
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:57,230
like in the mcu, like in the past with Jarvis, you

792
00:37:57,230 --> 00:38:00,070
know, becoming. Hm, with vision and,

793
00:38:00,070 --> 00:38:02,950
and just, you know, because this show I think

794
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:05,910
was made, I think it, you know, it was filmed

795
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:08,880
a few years ago. So now, when

796
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,600
it was and in the past in MCU when we had

797
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,599
AI was like this cool thing. But now that we're getting, you know, more,

798
00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:16,840
it's getting generative. AI is getting more mature

799
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,800
and seeing, thinking about that news article I read and like

800
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,750
people possibly regenerating, know old

801
00:38:24,750 --> 00:38:26,830
family members and you know, I guess

802
00:38:28,030 --> 00:38:30,910
it's interesting, you know, how

803
00:38:30,910 --> 00:38:33,790
people, how, how this could be used to deal with

804
00:38:33,790 --> 00:38:36,750
grief. And I'm thinking about Ronnie, you know, because she

805
00:38:36,750 --> 00:38:39,710
like, her reaction to Natalie was not like, oh God, this is like, you know,

806
00:38:39,710 --> 00:38:42,710
first it's like, you know, back away Satan. But then once you realize it wasn't a

807
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:45,630
ghost, it was like, you know, this is how that, you know, because of

808
00:38:45,630 --> 00:38:48,400
the drive by and stuff, it was like really, you know,

809
00:38:49,700 --> 00:38:52,700
you know, Ronnie was like very open to

810
00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:55,660
it and stuff, you know, so just to contrast and I think, I think you

811
00:38:55,660 --> 00:38:58,620
put in your notes, you know, as far as to talk about, like, why

812
00:38:58,620 --> 00:39:01,060
didn't she like freak out whenever she, you know.

813
00:39:01,330 --> 00:39:04,210
>> Sarah : so. So here. So

814
00:39:05,010 --> 00:39:07,410
I go back and forth about this whole thing.

815
00:39:07,810 --> 00:39:08,370
>> Will: Yeah.

816
00:39:08,530 --> 00:39:10,930
>> Sarah : Specifically with Ronnie, because

817
00:39:11,170 --> 00:39:13,690
I find that her

818
00:39:13,690 --> 00:39:16,240
reaction of asking

819
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,840
can you make Gary? Was very endearing, very

820
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,520
empathetic. Loved it.

821
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,000
Then I think about it

822
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,840
and I think about other things that occurred with

823
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,120
Ronnie in the show. Specifically

824
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,040
when the episode two begins and

825
00:39:35,930 --> 00:39:38,340
Natalie and Ariri

826
00:39:38,660 --> 00:39:41,340
wakes up and realizes what she's done in the

827
00:39:41,340 --> 00:39:44,120
kitchen. Can I just, can I make sure

828
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,960
everyone understands? Like, let's. If.

829
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,760
If only this was a visual podcast, we would have a

830
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,680
whiteboard and I would be explaining something to Will

831
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,680
on the whiteboard. Okay. So just imagine if you will.

832
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,680
Okay. That I have a whiteboard and I'm drawing. Because

833
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,680
this is an apartment, right, Will, that we're

834
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:01,960
in.

835
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:02,920
>> Will: Yep.

836
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,160
>> Sarah : Okay, can you explain to me

837
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,760
why during that moment

838
00:40:10,850 --> 00:40:13,650
Ronnie is yelling from somewhere

839
00:40:13,730 --> 00:40:16,570
what feels like on the bottom floor of a

840
00:40:16,570 --> 00:40:19,450
two story house? But I know they're in a

841
00:40:19,450 --> 00:40:22,450
one story apartment, but she seems

842
00:40:22,450 --> 00:40:25,090
very far away and for some reason

843
00:40:25,330 --> 00:40:28,050
won't go into the kitchen. And so,

844
00:40:29,010 --> 00:40:31,700
so Natalie And. Or, riri has enough time to get

845
00:40:31,700 --> 00:40:34,500
Natalie, the iron suit on,

846
00:40:34,650 --> 00:40:37,450
all out of the kitchen and into her room

847
00:40:37,610 --> 00:40:39,690
without her mom ever realizing,

848
00:40:40,410 --> 00:40:43,290
because her mom is still stuck somewhere and

849
00:40:43,290 --> 00:40:45,530
just yelling, what's going on?

850
00:40:49,290 --> 00:40:52,290
That stuck with me throughout the rest

851
00:40:52,290 --> 00:40:54,810
of the episode. So by the time the

852
00:40:54,810 --> 00:40:57,610
projection happens, then the thought

853
00:40:57,770 --> 00:41:00,490
before I get to the very endearing moment

854
00:41:00,490 --> 00:41:03,380
occurs. But then the thought, like, her whole

855
00:41:03,380 --> 00:41:06,100
Satan thing, I'm just like, how many.

856
00:41:06,340 --> 00:41:08,420
How much Like. Like

857
00:41:09,140 --> 00:41:11,420
how much weird stuff has

858
00:41:11,420 --> 00:41:14,340
riri built for her mom

859
00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:17,060
to see? Because her mom is acting way too calm

860
00:41:17,060 --> 00:41:18,900
about this. And I don't.

861
00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:23,020
There's just this weird stuff. And then. And

862
00:41:23,020 --> 00:41:25,860
then the more I think about that

863
00:41:25,860 --> 00:41:28,840
line about Gary, I also go to

864
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,600
the first episode where it's

865
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,520
very clear that her mom recognizes

866
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,200
that riri has not dealt with her grief

867
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,040
almost to the point where she says it as if

868
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,720
she has.

869
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,480
So then I go. I go

870
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,040
like, I. It's not. It's.

871
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,040
I'm not gonna say it's a very contradictory

872
00:41:53,490 --> 00:41:55,970
character because I've dealt with those on this show.

873
00:41:56,850 --> 00:41:59,610
But. But she's walking a fine

874
00:41:59,610 --> 00:42:02,490
line, and I really need a

875
00:42:02,490 --> 00:42:05,290
blueprint of the apartment. I need the

876
00:42:05,290 --> 00:42:08,210
writers to explain to me where she was when she

877
00:42:08,210 --> 00:42:10,690
was yelling, and then all things will be

878
00:42:10,690 --> 00:42:12,290
resolved. That's it.

879
00:42:13,890 --> 00:42:16,530
>> Will: Yeah. I mean. Yeah. I mean, but

880
00:42:16,850 --> 00:42:19,650
I think as far as something you said earlier about,

881
00:42:19,770 --> 00:42:22,620
you know, how many weird things built. I mean, you

882
00:42:22,620 --> 00:42:25,570
know. Yeah. I mean, I think they're very. They're used to. I mean, this

883
00:42:25,570 --> 00:42:27,920
is, This. Riri is clearly a prodigy.

884
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,800
>> Sarah : Right. But she's also been at mit,

885
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,800
and to me, I get that. I got the sense in

886
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,400
the first episode that she

887
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,160
hasn't been home too much over

888
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,080
since the shooting because she doesn't want to deal

889
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,560
with the grief. And I think that's

890
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,070
overall why the, the

891
00:42:48,070 --> 00:42:50,730
AI Ethics aside and everything,

892
00:42:51,770 --> 00:42:54,450
reality aside, I mean, this is a

893
00:42:54,450 --> 00:42:57,450
fantasy world. I know it's. It's almost too

894
00:42:57,450 --> 00:43:00,370
close, but at the same time, it's

895
00:43:00,370 --> 00:43:02,330
like, that's why it works. Because

896
00:43:03,050 --> 00:43:05,290
now, simultaneously, the.

897
00:43:05,690 --> 00:43:08,570
The. The lead is able to deal

898
00:43:08,570 --> 00:43:11,210
with her grief. That's a motivating

899
00:43:11,290 --> 00:43:13,690
factor to her becoming a hero

900
00:43:14,010 --> 00:43:15,930
while simultaneously

901
00:43:17,710 --> 00:43:20,680
creating, this. This AI that is

902
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,560
pivotal, like, that's an essential part of

903
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,000
a Iron man suit is the

904
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,920
AI. So. So

905
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,880
I. I like the building blocks. I. I just

906
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,760
need a sketch of the apartment, and I just need to understand

907
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:35,320
that.

908
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,470
But. But yeah, I. I, mean, their.

909
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:43,360
Their relationship is good. and

910
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,160
then. And then, you Have Stein,

911
00:43:46,100 --> 00:43:48,690
which. Which it sounded like you were very

912
00:43:48,850 --> 00:43:51,770
happy and satisfied with that parallel

913
00:43:51,770 --> 00:43:54,689
that they came up with. Did you see that coming

914
00:43:54,689 --> 00:43:56,610
or did you know about it beforehand?

915
00:43:56,930 --> 00:43:59,650
>> Will: No, I did not. I did not know about it at all. I mean,

916
00:43:59,810 --> 00:44:02,450
I, you know, but it was a nice

917
00:44:02,530 --> 00:44:05,450
connection to. To the. To

918
00:44:05,450 --> 00:44:08,070
the original. To the original, Iron man film.

919
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:11,070
and. And you know, and. And

920
00:44:11,070 --> 00:44:13,430
also, also, like, again,

921
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:17,750
it not only told us a lot about Ezekiel,

922
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:20,470
but also about riri as far as, you know,

923
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:23,630
the reason why she, you know, why she

924
00:44:23,630 --> 00:44:26,550
builds all these suits and stuff is because, you know, Gary was actually

925
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:29,110
the Tony Stark fanboy, you know,

926
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,410
and. And. And also, you know, so, you

927
00:44:32,410 --> 00:44:35,130
know, so I like that piece, but also I did like the tie and also

928
00:44:35,130 --> 00:44:38,050
just, you know, why Ezekiel is the way

929
00:44:38,050 --> 00:44:41,050
that he is as far as just the. Not

930
00:44:41,130 --> 00:44:44,110
really just trying to just stay under the radar, even to

931
00:44:44,110 --> 00:44:47,070
the point where he lets his neighbor's dog on his lawn and he

932
00:44:47,070 --> 00:44:49,670
just won't, you know, he just won't do anything about it.

933
00:44:50,940 --> 00:44:53,910
so, you know, so, so it. I.

934
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:56,870
I like that aspect of. Of the show. I did like that,

935
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:59,740
you know, the, The, That, you

936
00:44:59,740 --> 00:45:01,180
know, that. That piece of

937
00:45:02,940 --> 00:45:05,900
the tie, that's the throwback to. To. To

938
00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:08,700
Obadiah. And you know, I can't help you. I can't help but think

939
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:11,950
about, you know, how

940
00:45:12,110 --> 00:45:14,510
both Riri and. And. And

941
00:45:14,510 --> 00:45:17,150
Antonio are very similar in the sense that they

942
00:45:17,790 --> 00:45:20,590
did use the tools that they had to build these suits.

943
00:45:20,910 --> 00:45:23,830
You know, you know, I think about Badiah, like the line, you know,

944
00:45:23,830 --> 00:45:26,760
Tony Stark built, built, built this suit in

945
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,720
the cave with scraps and RiRi's going to like the

946
00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:32,640
scrap yard to like, build, you know, to

947
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,560
build her early suits and get parts for. To. To

948
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,520
fix, you know, to fix the suit that she. She flew back to back

949
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,879
home in, after getting kicked out of mit.

950
00:45:41,290 --> 00:45:44,180
so I did like that as those. Those parallels. and

951
00:45:44,180 --> 00:45:46,620
also, you know, will we see another

952
00:45:46,620 --> 00:45:48,990
parallel, with Ezekiel possibly,

953
00:45:49,820 --> 00:45:52,660
especially after going to such links and being very clear

954
00:45:52,660 --> 00:45:55,660
that he didn't want that mesh to get lost or anything, you know,

955
00:45:55,660 --> 00:45:58,620
the tick that, you know, or any of these parts to like, get traced

956
00:45:58,620 --> 00:46:01,600
back to him? you know, will that cause a. A

957
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,720
strain in their relationship that will, you know, we'll see in these next

958
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:05,440
three episodes?

959
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,440
>> Sarah : Yeah, well, that we know that that's going to cause a strain.

960
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:10,480
I mean, yeah,

961
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,880
highlighting. But how much of a strain and

962
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,760
ultimately if he's going to be a bad guy or a

963
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,350
good guy that has yet to be,

964
00:46:20,750 --> 00:46:23,620
yet to be seen. I want to go back to what you

965
00:46:23,620 --> 00:46:25,600
just said about Gary.

966
00:46:27,010 --> 00:46:29,890
and, and, and overall, just the,

967
00:46:30,290 --> 00:46:32,930
and I think this is like the final point that I

968
00:46:33,090 --> 00:46:35,730
wanted to touch base on, but just

969
00:46:36,050 --> 00:46:38,290
riri's motivation to build the suit.

970
00:46:40,530 --> 00:46:42,130
I, I, I, I

971
00:46:43,810 --> 00:46:46,630
like the fact that she acknowledges that

972
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:49,270
Gary, Gary was the Tony Stark

973
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:52,070
fanboy. I understand that. I

974
00:46:52,070 --> 00:46:55,070
also understand that there's something she has yet to say, which

975
00:46:55,070 --> 00:46:57,590
I think she'll say within the next three episodes,

976
00:46:57,990 --> 00:47:00,549
but that she's really building the suit for

977
00:47:00,549 --> 00:47:03,230
safety because she witnessed two people she

978
00:47:03,230 --> 00:47:05,590
loves gunned down in broad daylight.

979
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:06,390
>> Will: Yep.

980
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:09,350
>> Sarah : It's really kind of obvious, but

981
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:12,390
I, what drove me crazy

982
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,640
throughout these episodes is just

983
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,920
the constant, like, because I

984
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,800
can, and then I,

985
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,600
I, I, I, I don't know. There,

986
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,400
there's something about it where,

987
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,800
and, and as much

988
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,800
parallel that, that we talk about.

989
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,640
And I know she's not Tony at the end of the day,

990
00:47:38,290 --> 00:47:41,250
I know she's not, she's not supposed to be Tony or

991
00:47:41,250 --> 00:47:44,170
anything, but I

992
00:47:44,170 --> 00:47:47,110
find, more often in the show

993
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:50,070
than not a lack

994
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:52,630
of charisma from riri,

995
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:56,830
and, and like, she

996
00:47:56,830 --> 00:47:59,830
gets it when she, when she

997
00:48:00,070 --> 00:48:02,870
has dialogue with Joe or when

998
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:05,430
she has dialogue with Natalie.

999
00:48:06,860 --> 00:48:09,420
And, and then for me personally,

1000
00:48:10,220 --> 00:48:12,860
the rest of it, she doesn't have a lot of it,

1001
00:48:12,940 --> 00:48:15,740
like, there. I don't know why that is.

1002
00:48:16,740 --> 00:48:18,910
but, and, and I kind of

1003
00:48:18,910 --> 00:48:21,710
correlate this to the overall, like,

1004
00:48:21,710 --> 00:48:24,390
okay, but why the suit? And,

1005
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:27,230
and also, I'm gonna talk a little bit about

1006
00:48:27,230 --> 00:48:29,910
your time in Wakanda and what you learned from

1007
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:32,870
Shuri. Like, like, are we gonna, are we gonna go back there?

1008
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:35,830
I, I, I kind of wish. Like,

1009
00:48:35,830 --> 00:48:38,070
it, it's weird to me because

1010
00:48:38,550 --> 00:48:41,510
we, we meet her in Wakanda forever in

1011
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:44,430
mit. The first episode, within five minutes,

1012
00:48:44,430 --> 00:48:45,350
she's kicked out.

1013
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:46,390
>> Will: Yeah.

1014
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:49,710
>> Sarah : And then we hear about, like, this, this five

1015
00:48:49,710 --> 00:48:52,470
years prior, this emotional trauma that

1016
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:55,430
occurred. But I don't, I'm like, thinking in m. My head, I'm

1017
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:58,230
like, well, by that point she was already at mit,

1018
00:48:59,450 --> 00:49:02,370
so, so that. Did I miss something in

1019
00:49:02,370 --> 00:49:05,290
Wakanda forever? Was that brought up at all? And,

1020
00:49:05,450 --> 00:49:08,370
and also, like, I don't know, there's

1021
00:49:08,370 --> 00:49:11,170
just something weird with the timeline that I'm trying to

1022
00:49:11,170 --> 00:49:11,690
figure out.

1023
00:49:11,690 --> 00:49:14,330
>> Will: But yeah, I mean, I think the,

1024
00:49:14,770 --> 00:49:17,180
you know, it's been, I've only watched Wakanda forever maybe

1025
00:49:17,180 --> 00:49:19,940
twice, so. And it's been a long time. I think

1026
00:49:20,020 --> 00:49:22,260
when it first came out, then shortly for after.

1027
00:49:22,820 --> 00:49:25,740
But I mean, I do what I do remember about her in Wakanda

1028
00:49:25,740 --> 00:49:28,520
Forever and the characters, the car, you know, the

1029
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,190
specialness, the relationship there. yes.

1030
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,460
you know, so I do remember that aspect of it.

1031
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:37,230
as far as the charisma, I mean, I think there are

1032
00:49:37,230 --> 00:49:40,030
flashes. As far as what

1033
00:49:40,030 --> 00:49:42,990
the. I think whenever she was

1034
00:49:42,990 --> 00:49:45,950
with the, with the, with the Hoods

1035
00:49:45,950 --> 00:49:46,310
gang.

1036
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:48,430
>> Sarah : I.

1037
00:49:48,430 --> 00:49:51,310
>> Will: Think, I think it was the

1038
00:49:51,310 --> 00:49:54,260
directing choice to make her more muted there because

1039
00:49:54,260 --> 00:49:57,150
of the ethical, ethical dilemma that she was.

1040
00:49:58,030 --> 00:50:00,910
She knew it on some level that this was

1041
00:50:00,910 --> 00:50:03,230
wrong. And especially like when I think, you know, whenever,

1042
00:50:03,710 --> 00:50:05,710
you know, after they do the tunnel heist,

1043
00:50:06,820 --> 00:50:08,820
when she has the.

1044
00:50:09,620 --> 00:50:12,540
Both she and Natalie glitch because of the

1045
00:50:12,540 --> 00:50:15,340
panic attacks. I mean, I think that's just, you

1046
00:50:15,340 --> 00:50:18,150
know, that. And then, you know, later in the, in the

1047
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:21,070
show, you know, the other panic, the other major panic

1048
00:50:21,070 --> 00:50:23,910
attack and Natalie help her to come, you know, work, work

1049
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:25,310
through it in, in the shop.

1050
00:50:26,940 --> 00:50:29,820
I think it was, I think it was a, that

1051
00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:33,260
maybe that lack of charisma or whatever was, was

1052
00:50:33,260 --> 00:50:36,100
intentional, but versus, like the

1053
00:50:36,100 --> 00:50:38,980
relationships that she's have with Joe and Natalie

1054
00:50:38,980 --> 00:50:41,810
and Xavier and her mom. because, you know, because

1055
00:50:41,810 --> 00:50:44,290
I did see the charisma, especially like when she was giving the

1056
00:50:45,250 --> 00:50:47,810
story to the, to the, the Dean,

1057
00:50:48,850 --> 00:50:51,850
and she was just like, don't give me that. I

1058
00:50:51,850 --> 00:50:54,730
love that. That was, that. I think that was the moment where I was like,

1059
00:50:54,730 --> 00:50:57,650
oh, yeah, I'm gonna like this show. Because she was trying

1060
00:50:57,650 --> 00:51:00,600
to, like, do that. you know, because the Dean was like,

1061
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,520
look, I bent over backwards for your ass, and you just like,

1062
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,520
you squandered the opportunity here, so. No, don't, don't give me

1063
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:06,800
that.

1064
00:51:09,210 --> 00:51:12,200
>> Sarah : Right, right. I, I was, I,

1065
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,010
I like that the Dean called her out. yeah, yeah,

1066
00:51:15,010 --> 00:51:18,010
but I didn't, I didn't really. I thought more of the

1067
00:51:18,010 --> 00:51:20,170
Dean than I did of riri in that moment.

1068
00:51:24,490 --> 00:51:25,770
>> Will: Yeah, I did too.

1069
00:51:25,770 --> 00:51:27,530
>> Sarah : But also I'm like, wow.

1070
00:51:27,930 --> 00:51:30,770
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I thought more of the Dean too. Just, you

1071
00:51:30,770 --> 00:51:33,000
know, just. I mean, I, I, Yeah,

1072
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,560
I, I, Yeah, I get what you're saying though, because I, I

1073
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,240
will say in the, in those opening moments of the show,

1074
00:51:40,670 --> 00:51:42,750
yeah, the, the, the, the.

1075
00:51:43,870 --> 00:51:46,470
Even that, yeah, even like, you know, the

1076
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:49,230
flashback scenes that they had with, with, with Natalie.

1077
00:51:49,550 --> 00:51:52,430
Real, you know, real life Natalie and

1078
00:51:52,430 --> 00:51:55,230
Riri, Natalie just, she just sparkles. I mean, she just

1079
00:51:55,230 --> 00:51:58,030
really. And maybe that's, that's the point. I mean, that

1080
00:51:59,630 --> 00:52:02,590
Natalie was the, you know, the more outgoing

1081
00:52:02,750 --> 00:52:05,030
More, more

1082
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:07,590
charismatic part of the pair,

1083
00:52:08,260 --> 00:52:11,180
because she does, you know, she does pop. Even whenever they have

1084
00:52:11,180 --> 00:52:13,620
their scenes together within A.I. natalie,

1085
00:52:13,940 --> 00:52:16,940
she still pops. More than, more. More than

1086
00:52:16,940 --> 00:52:17,460
Riri.

1087
00:52:18,820 --> 00:52:21,380
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. Well, the A.I.

1088
00:52:21,380 --> 00:52:24,180
natalie, I think it's interesting

1089
00:52:24,260 --> 00:52:27,210
the subtleness that they're doing in terms of, of

1090
00:52:28,810 --> 00:52:31,650
it understanding that when

1091
00:52:31,650 --> 00:52:34,570
riri looks at her, it's bringing up

1092
00:52:34,570 --> 00:52:36,090
this emotional trauma.

1093
00:52:36,810 --> 00:52:37,290
>> Will: Yeah.

1094
00:52:37,610 --> 00:52:40,570
>> Sarah : Like, I love that. I, I think my favorite line

1095
00:52:40,650 --> 00:52:43,450
and scene was the whole, like,

1096
00:52:44,050 --> 00:52:46,300
It's only, that's only weird if you make it weird.

1097
00:52:47,900 --> 00:52:50,540
Like. Well, I mean, I mean,

1098
00:52:50,700 --> 00:52:52,860
it's, it's weird. Like. What?

1099
00:52:53,420 --> 00:52:55,100
Yeah, it's just weird.

1100
00:52:55,500 --> 00:52:58,380
>> Will: Yeah, it's just weird. Yeah. And that's the other thing too, about the

1101
00:52:58,380 --> 00:53:00,820
AI. I'm glad you said that too, because, you know,

1102
00:53:01,140 --> 00:53:03,590
and one thing I meant to say earlier we were discussing the AI,

1103
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,600
with these memories, you know, it's this projection is,

1104
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,720
it's your memory of that person,

1105
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:10,520
you know?

1106
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,000
>> Sarah : Right. And that's why, like, there are so many

1107
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,960
blank spots or things like, they don't know

1108
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,320
about, but things that they do. Because

1109
00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:22,560
for the genius that riri is, she hasn't made the

1110
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,100
connection that, like, girl,

1111
00:53:25,300 --> 00:53:27,700
the AI is only going to know your memories.

1112
00:53:28,260 --> 00:53:31,100
So she's gonna, she's gonna know, like,

1113
00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:33,940
if you did something together, she's gonna know about that,

1114
00:53:33,940 --> 00:53:36,820
but she's not gonna go know about something you did

1115
00:53:36,820 --> 00:53:39,619
alone unless you told her about

1116
00:53:39,619 --> 00:53:42,420
it. So, so that makes sense. But I

1117
00:53:42,420 --> 00:53:45,220
think that, for me, the more I think about

1118
00:53:45,220 --> 00:53:48,220
it is Natalie is very

1119
00:53:48,220 --> 00:53:50,460
similar, to,

1120
00:53:51,550 --> 00:53:54,460
wow, vision and

1121
00:53:54,460 --> 00:53:56,740
the idea of humanity,

1122
00:53:57,300 --> 00:54:00,180
because the longer she exists,

1123
00:54:00,980 --> 00:54:03,220
she's, she's going to want

1124
00:54:03,700 --> 00:54:06,180
to, to be human

1125
00:54:06,740 --> 00:54:09,460
and to have a life. And so

1126
00:54:09,700 --> 00:54:12,700
that, the more I think about that, that

1127
00:54:12,700 --> 00:54:15,530
is more appealing and a much more interesting story. Story,

1128
00:54:16,460 --> 00:54:19,340
than arguably someone who

1129
00:54:19,500 --> 00:54:22,220
is trying to create a suit

1130
00:54:24,380 --> 00:54:25,420
because she can.

1131
00:54:27,740 --> 00:54:30,580
So, So I, like, and I'm, and

1132
00:54:30,580 --> 00:54:33,460
I'm not saying it's a complete loss because you don't

1133
00:54:33,460 --> 00:54:36,060
get Natalie without riri and vice versa.

1134
00:54:36,620 --> 00:54:38,540
So, so, So I think,

1135
00:54:39,470 --> 00:54:42,150
overall, I, I, I think

1136
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:45,070
that the show has parts

1137
00:54:45,550 --> 00:54:48,430
and aspects that are good and like,

1138
00:54:48,670 --> 00:54:51,530
has potential, more so than

1139
00:54:51,530 --> 00:54:54,530
other of the weaker Disney plus shows

1140
00:54:54,530 --> 00:54:56,490
that we've talked about over the years.

1141
00:54:58,090 --> 00:55:00,170
But at the same time,

1142
00:55:01,470 --> 00:55:04,190
it, it does have, some weaknesses

1143
00:55:04,350 --> 00:55:07,090
that, that are just,

1144
00:55:07,330 --> 00:55:08,450
are just there.

1145
00:55:09,650 --> 00:55:12,530
>> Will: Oh, yeah, they are. I mean, yeah. I mean, then, yeah, like,

1146
00:55:12,530 --> 00:55:15,450
yeah, there's no, I mean, all of these Disney

1147
00:55:15,450 --> 00:55:18,370
plus shows, even, even I mean, even

1148
00:55:18,370 --> 00:55:21,170
the. The gold standard ones that,

1149
00:55:21,170 --> 00:55:23,680
like long division, you know, had. Had.

1150
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,820
Had had its flaws. So. But.

1151
00:55:26,820 --> 00:55:29,700
Yeah, but this. But this is not. This is not secret invasion either.

1152
00:55:31,260 --> 00:55:33,900
>> Sarah : Oh, no, it's. It's definitely. It's like mid tier.

1153
00:55:33,980 --> 00:55:36,980
It's mid tier. Not one of the better ones. It's

1154
00:55:36,980 --> 00:55:39,500
not the. One of the worst ones. It's. It's like mid.

1155
00:55:39,820 --> 00:55:42,820
>> Will: Yeah, I'll. Yeah, I'll reserve judgment as far

1156
00:55:42,820 --> 00:55:45,780
as, like, where. Where it ranks after. After the last

1157
00:55:45,780 --> 00:55:47,020
three. But. But, so far.

1158
00:55:47,020 --> 00:55:49,580
>> Sarah : Well, you already said that you liked it more than Daredevil.

1159
00:55:49,580 --> 00:55:50,060
Sorry.

1160
00:55:52,460 --> 00:55:53,420
>> Will: Yeah, I do.

1161
00:55:53,820 --> 00:55:56,780
>> Sarah : I like how you say that before you even seen the last three

1162
00:55:56,780 --> 00:55:57,420
episodes.

1163
00:55:57,930 --> 00:56:00,410
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I. I mean. But

1164
00:56:00,650 --> 00:56:03,620
yeah, you know, I. I guess I just didn't have that reverence

1165
00:56:03,620 --> 00:56:05,860
of the. The Netflix show that a lot of people had.

1166
00:56:05,940 --> 00:56:08,660
>> Sarah : So this is when

1167
00:56:08,740 --> 00:56:11,460
listeners, I expect you go back and. And,

1168
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,290
re. Listen to how Will talked about the show

1169
00:56:14,530 --> 00:56:15,330
at the time.

1170
00:56:15,970 --> 00:56:18,810
>> Will: Oh, yeah. Oh, like I said, I enjoyed it. It's.

1171
00:56:18,810 --> 00:56:21,690
It's not that I did not enjoy it. I'm just saying I like this

1172
00:56:21,690 --> 00:56:22,750
one better. That's all.

1173
00:56:24,190 --> 00:56:26,290
>> Sarah : Oh, interesting so far.

1174
00:56:26,850 --> 00:56:29,490
I'm gonna wait to say anything until

1175
00:56:29,650 --> 00:56:32,450
I've seen the full season, so.

1176
00:56:33,010 --> 00:56:35,890
Because I'm also. I'm. I'm also not

1177
00:56:35,890 --> 00:56:38,450
a defender of Daredevil.

1178
00:56:39,410 --> 00:56:42,330
I. I started high on that show, but by the end of

1179
00:56:42,330 --> 00:56:45,330
it, I was. I was checked out. I. I still have so many

1180
00:56:45,330 --> 00:56:48,260
questions about the way that show ended, but whatever.

1181
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,720
that seems to be a trend of mine this year with

1182
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:55,720
these TV shows is like, I start strong, and then by

1183
00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:58,240
the end of it, I'm like, what happened?

1184
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,240
What happened?

1185
00:57:01,940 --> 00:57:04,260
all right, well, that is it for us

1186
00:57:04,260 --> 00:57:07,060
tonight. Will, why don't tell our listeners where they can

1187
00:57:07,060 --> 00:57:07,620
find you.

1188
00:57:08,260 --> 00:57:11,000
>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at, Will and

1189
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,160
Polk. W I L L M M P.

1190
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,880
>> Sarah : O L K. And you can find me there too, at

1191
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,840
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1192
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1196
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,000
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1197
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,970
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1198
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00:57:37,890 --> 00:57:38,730
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