Severance Season Episodes 7 & 8: The Terrifying Truth

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>> Sarah : Foreign. Greetings Nerds. This is Scene and Nerd.

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I'm your host, Sarah Belmont, and with me, as

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always, is our Mr. Producer, will Will Polk

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How are you doing tonight, Will.

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. How you doing this

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evening?

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>> Sarah : Doing good, you know, it's good. We are, we are

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over the hump with severance.

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>> Will: Yes, we are.

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>> Sarah : We are. And it's full scale. Full, full on to the

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end, to the finish line next week. So.

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>> Will: Yeah, I know. It's like, really has gone by fast.

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I was just, I was just thinking that this evening

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as I was, doing a little bit of prep, and I, was

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like, yeah, we're already at, like, we're, you

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know, we're talking episode seven and eight

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tonight, and then, you know, we'll have, you know,

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we'll have the last two next week. And, I, you

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know, I'm glad, like I said before, I'm glad that

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we. We have picked up, the show and, and talking

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about it. So, yeah, it's been fun. So again, good

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call. Good call.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. It took us like, what, seven, eight months

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to get around to it, but, hey, when it was

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supposed to happen, it happened. So here we are.

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It's not like either one of us got spoiled either.

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>> Will: No, no, I have. Yeah, that's the great thing about

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it. I have not had a single, single, single

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spoiler. Even, Even. Even now as, doing prep and,

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you know, watching recaps or whatever, haven't. I

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haven't gotten spoiled yet. So the algorithm has

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been friendly to me.

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>> Sarah : So. So the first episode we're talking about

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tonight is episode seven of season two, Chikai

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Bardot. Did I say that right?

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Okay. Okay, cool. An old romance intersects with a

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deadly present threat. So I have to say now, we

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haven't finished this season, but, watching this

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episode, I think that it might be my favorite

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episode of the show.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I was just fully engaged in it there and, and last

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week I kind of mentioned, and I don't know if I

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articulated it right, there was so much dialogue

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last week between both episodes, and there was a

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lot going on and there were a lot of characters

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who were moving forward on their own paths. But

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this week, and, with this episode, it is very

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clearly telling Mark and Gemma's love story while

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at the same time giving us context, more context

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than we've ever had before about GEMMA and Slash,

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Ms. Casey on the severed floor and the exports

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floor, and then while simultaneously giving us

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Mark's perspective, too, on things. And so there

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was, there. There was critical dialogue but there

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was so much silentness that I just focused more on

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the aesthetics. And there, there was a lot of

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really interesting choices, between the editing

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choices and also just the camera lenses. Because I

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noticed early on in the episode when we're seeing

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Gemma and the nurse in the hallways, we. There's.

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They use a fish lens. I'm pretty sure that's what

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they call it. And so it makes us look like as if

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we are monitoring Gemma through the surveillance

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because the outer edges of the screen are a bit

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darker and fuzzier. So it's like, it's like a

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peephole almost effect where it's like you're,

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you're intru. Like you're, you're definitely

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watching from an angle where the character, the

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person, you're observing doesn't or isn't aware

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that they're being watched. You know, like, like

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that perspective. So I thought that was

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interesting. but, but yeah, so. And, and you seem

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to be on the same page with me on this.

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>> Will: Oh yeah. 100. So the, so this episode was, was

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directed by Jessica Lee Gagne, who is actually the

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show's. It was her first directorial debut. It was

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her directorial debut. And she's also the show's

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cinematographer.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, that, that makes complete sense.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. So whenever you start. Yeah, and that,

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and that, and that was, that was my impressions of

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just as far as this, the style, stylistic choices

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that were made in direction and, and, and editing

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in this episode. I completely agree. I was, I was

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thinking that too as, as I was watching episode.

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And you know, because of course the story in and

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of itself, you know, we also up to this point

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we've always focused the story through, through

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Mark's point of view. and, and, and then, so this,

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you know, so now we finally, for me it was like,

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okay, they have like talked about their, their

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relationship. You know, they've, they've. We've

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seen old photos, we've seen, you know, we, we've.

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Mark has learned that that Jim is alive. but now

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we get to finally, we finally get her perspective

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on things. And I like the framing of it because

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especially in the memories throughout the episode

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we see things from her perspective as far as their

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backstory.

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>> Will: Because all up into, you know, all earlier, you

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know, like I said earlier, we've always seen it

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through Mark's perspective. So, so now it, we saw

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it through her perspective and then I think for me

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really gave life to their love story as far as

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like now I get why Mark was so, Why Mark decided

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to undergo the severance procedure.

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>> Sarah : Interesting.

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>> Will: And why we should care. And why we should care. We

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should. Yeah. Why we should care about this. I

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mean, I.

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>> Sarah : Well, I. I say. I say interesting, because I don't

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think I had the same takeaway. I. I had this

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saying to an extent, I should say, because I think

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it's very smart of them to have a Gemma focused

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and albeit a telling the love story. Ah, the love

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and the tragedy of this relationship between Gemma

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and Mark. Because so far as a viewer. I'm sorry,

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I'm gonna call spade a spade. We're rooting for

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Helly R And Mark. We're rooting m. For them

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because. Because we know Heli. We've spent time

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with her, and we've seen their bubbling romance.

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Like the viewer has been able to. To, view that as

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the. The yearning for relationship, that these two

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people need to figure it out so they can be

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together while simultaneously we've been like.

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Every time. Especially in the Outtie, from Mark's

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Outtie perspective, it's like the loss of it all

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and the tragedy of what he had with his wife. And

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so now we're able to see that motivation and. And

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albeit I didn't think of it more as like, oh, so

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it makes sense why he got severed. I thought of it

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more as, okay, so this is why he's reintegrating.

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This is why despite any feelings with Heli are

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like him just knowing he has a wife. Like we were

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talking last week with the scene between Mark S.

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Mark and Helena, like, those two in the outer

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world are still drawn to each other. Like. Yeah,

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it's. It's very. It's very interesting how. And.

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And albeit with that drawnness too, we see that

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even more with Gemma because despite all of these

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doors she's going through and all of this, these

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simulations, if I dare say, with Dr. Muir, who's

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clearly obsessed with her and stalker. yeah, he,

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like, he tries to erase Mark and yet he can't

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because. And that right there proves to the

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viewer, oh, it's not that simple. Like, Mark just

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can't go be with Heli R. Like, right? No, because

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now I'm sympathetic to. To Gemma, especially at

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the end. And. And. And I want to see how now. Now

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I'm. I'm also on Team Mark and Jenna, Gemma's side

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as well. So that. That's what I, Where I was

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coming from.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I got that too. I mean, I think

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that's. What was that That I think that's what was

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the genius about this episode. because it's just

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so there are multiple takeaways you, you can you

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get from it, as far, you know, as far as the

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framing device. Because, you know, like I said

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earlier, we are getting Jim's perspective, but

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then whenever we do, you know, whenever we are

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seeing the scenes of, of Mark, when he is, when he

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is lying there on the couch and the reintegration

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is continuing to, to, to take hold, you know, we,

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we do get, we, we do get moments where he, where

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we're seeing his perspective on things as well.

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well.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I was like, just to delve into this a little

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bit more so the, the context that were provided

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with their relationship. So there was a

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miscarriage, you know, that happened like.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And then there's fertility treatments. Now here's

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my question, because I, I, I couldn't, I couldn't

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tell when they're in the doctor office. That's for

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the fertility treatments, right?

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>> Will: Yeah, that, yeah, because that was, yeah, caused,

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you know, and I like the way, because they set

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things up. And again, we, beautifully set things

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up as far as, picking up a line that Devin noted

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earlier from season one as far as how she felt

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about the loss of, of Gemma and their relationship

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where, where, you know, when they're, the four of

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them are having dinner and, and you know, Gemma,

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like, whenever Devin like, goes to pour a glass of

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wine, she like, covers the glass and you know,

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they have that moment of knowing, like, so, you

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know, so I think, you know, so again, so it, it

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does expand not only what, you know, the

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connection between Mark and, and Gemma, but also

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Devon and Gemma. And so whenever we get to your.

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So yes, they are trying for the baby. okay, they

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do lose, yeah, they do lose the baby in the

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miscarriage. And then we do go to.

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>> Sarah : I thought, yeah, sorry, I, I thought, I thought

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they lost the baby and then they end up, end up at

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the doctor's office. Fertility treatments, which,

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which are lumen fertility treatments. That's

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correct.

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>> Will: Yeah, that's right. That's where I was going.

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>> Sarah : And then there's a male and she's. I, I, I said

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that wrong. And then there's something that

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arrives in the mail and, he doesn't understand why

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she's wasting her time with it. And I took it as

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like, oh, okay, I don't know how far it, like they

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didn't give us any context in terms of timeline,

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exact timeline for these things. So she's clearly

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depressed and Going through issues because of the

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struggle of fertility. So I also got the

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impression because. And that's why I questioned

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the doctor's office because I'm like, well, wait,

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we saw this one scene and Mark was acting a bit

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strange and, and so. And he says something to her

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as she's filling out the form, which I'm like.

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Makes me double think, like we're. Was she signing

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up for therapy or was fertility. I think it's

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fertility, but she ends up in therapy too.

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>> Will: So. Yeah, I mean, I think as far. So they. They.

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They have. I think because whenever they first go

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to the doctor's office for the fertility

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treatments, they're still, you know, the, The. The

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stress and strain of the whole situation hasn't

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crept in yet. So I think they were both. If I

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were. If I were. If I recall.

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>> Sarah : Oh, I think it has.

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>> Will: No, no, no. I mean, I think they're disappointed.

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I mean, I think it's more of a situation where,

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you know, they are, you know, maybe it's a.

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They're frustrated, I guess, from that standpoint

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of, Like, yeah, you know, we. We are frustrated in

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the sense that they are having fertility, you

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know, fertility problems. But I don't think they

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were like. But, but, you know, whenever they like,

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got, you know, to that point where you're talking

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about in the kitchen, where there was much more of

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a strain. I think by that point. Yeah, I mean,

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there was definite, like. Yeah, because that, that

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place. But I think early on in the. In the. In

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the. In there. I think that was a sort of the

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entryway that Lumon was able to like, you know,

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find. Find her as an potential subject for. For

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their. For these tests that they're going to end

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up doing on her.

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>> Sarah : Well, it's interesting you say that because

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considering the actual first realization that we

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have that we're witnessing, like, I, I want to say

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it's the first scene, but I could be wrong about

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that. Is the blood drive and the blood drives for

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Lumon as well?

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : And they're both giving blood. So. So I. In a way,

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they. They also very cleverly put us in. There was

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a Lumon presence with all the doctors. and that.

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That allowed for excellent editing to occur and

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also allowed for. For a Lumon to have a presence

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while. Albeit not in those. Those, Those, memory

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sequences to. To not be forebod. Like, not, not

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this be like, let me find all the Lumon Easter

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eggs, but more just like Gemma has been

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intertwined with Lumon for. For a while and, And I

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don't. I don't know what it also means. Like, she

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gave blood that day, but so did Mark. And. And.

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And anyway, so, yeah.

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>> Will: Yeah. I mean, as far as the blood, I mean, that.

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That could just be kind of happenstance or also,

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you know, it also just sort of the framing device

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too, as far as, like, you know, he was the, You

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know, he's the history teacher. We learned that

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she's a Russian history instructor as well, and

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they shared, you know, names of books and that

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kind of stuff. So I think. I mean, I think it.

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It's a framing of just their introduction, but

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also. I think it also is just showing how,

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omnipresent lumen. It looms over everything in

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this. In this. In. In this, In this show and in

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this world. Pharmaceutical company, so.

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>> Sarah : Exactly. That's where I was gonna go with it.

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Like, they. They do medical stuff. And so if you.

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If you're sick or if you're fertility. Which the

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other brilliant thing is. Is another thing we

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talked about last week with the potential that,

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heli. Slash Helena is pregnant. And now to

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understand like, that. That adds a whole nother

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layer. so. So to. To step back but still talk

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about Gemma. what are your thoughts on the

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hallways, the procedures, like the. And Dr. Mer of

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it all? Meow.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. So the. The whole. The hallway, the.

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You know, just. I guess it just shows how this.

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How freaking cool, cruel this company is. but it

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also deepens the, Doing the experiments that they

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were. That they were conducting on Gemma, You

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know, it further. and having her go to all the

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multiple rooms down the hallway and the different

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experiences that they were trying to. To test out

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to. Like, as you referenced earlier, how, you

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know, each. You know, each just separate. You

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know, multiple. She. She has basically multiple

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innies at this point, we know at least six or

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more. because, I mean, because they. I think they

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were like, you know, each week she was asking,

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like, how many, You know, how many. How many rooms

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today is like six. Or.

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>> Sarah : And.

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>> Will: And. And, you know, we saw the names of some of

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those. All the various rooms, and they all. I

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think they all have like, you know, different,

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Each room had, you know, different, different

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meanings. Like, I think the. The Wellington room

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was like the, you know, where the dental office

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was. And. And, you know, and they were doing these

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things, you know, to see like what. What. What.

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What will any. You know, any. Know about things

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that are going on. you know, I guess translating

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from one person, one, One. One thing to Another.

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And I guess it gets to like what we were talking

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about earlier with Mark, Scout and Helena. even

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though, you know, the. The Any personality is, you

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know, a distinct, you know, individual, there is

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that carryover of that, I guess the core. The core

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person that's there. And. And so it's like, you

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know, they were just doing all these experiments

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to, like, you know, see how. How far they could

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take this. And it was just, you know, this just.

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Everything about it was just very cruel. And then,

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of course, you know, the doctor himself and like,

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the sick fantasies that he was having, you know,

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you know, I did like the drunk when Drummond,

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like, called him out, called out the. Called, out

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the sweater that he was wearing for the. The

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holiday room when they were doing the. Yeah, yeah,

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the Christmas cards.

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>> Sarah : And that was right before Drummond. Right after

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Drummond said to him, you know, once Cold harbor

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is done, which Mark is stuck at 96, then you're

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gonna have to let her go. So. So now we know,

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like, Cold harbor is not just important for Mark

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and Lumon, but it's. It also could potentially

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unshackle Gemma, which. So we get the. We get the

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Christmas room and we get the. The, thank you

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cards, which very much parallel what we just

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witnessed with Milchick and the paper clips,

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which. Which I'm like. I'm like, okay, okay. So.

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So I feel like I. Hm. Wonder if Milchick went

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through this, what Gemma's going through. And so

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that means. That means that it's like they're an

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evolved severed, Okay, because all what you just

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talked about with all the different innies. And

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then there Drummond was always asking, how are the

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severed bonds holding up? So it's like, Ah. So. So

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depending on the environment, do you carry over

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what you previously experienced or will the

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technology work to block that and allow you to be

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a whole, like, whole new you in this other

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environment and then to walk out just fine. So. So

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Because. Because there. There is something going

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on with. With Milchick, Ms. Hong and Natalie.

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That. And. And just that those scenes parallel to

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each other. I'm just like, that's very

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interesting. I like that. I like that. But then

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he. He tells her, like, he. After that, that

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whole, things he. For. Forces her to say I love

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you. Which mirrors. And this is the other thing

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that they did. And I'm gonna keep saying it. Very

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well done. Because this is the best episode of the

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show for me. because you have that moment and. And

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the awkwardness of like. And that need and. And

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then later when it's authentically portrayed

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through Mark and Gemma as their final exchange

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before she unfortunately dies, it's. So then once

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you find that out, you look back at this exchange

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between Doctor. The Doctor and Gemma and you

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realize. Or. Or it just becomes much more

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apparent. Like he literally has access to all of

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her memories. So the manipulation that can occur

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is just outrageous and just so gross. Because.

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Because he could, he could. He very well could

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make her forget Mark.

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>> Sarah : if he just hits the right chords and plays the

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right tunes. And that's, that's so disturbing.

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but. But there's something going on which they

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just cannot penetrate that to completely erase

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someone's affection or to. To authentically like,

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show. So I, I thought that was great. And then of

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course, out. Out of that room, he tells her. He.

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He gives his lie to. She doesn't believe it. And

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then we get, we get what I can only say as. And

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pretty much looking at all of these sequences,

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it's, it's there. But it really becomes apparent

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when we see her in the Exports hallway trying to

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escape after hitting the elevator that we've seen

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before. And it just was very. Between the

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cinematography and the direction and her walking

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down the hallway to the door only to be confronted

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by Milchek who turns her away. Like they, they

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managed to capture what it would really feel like

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to be a rat in a cage.

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>> Will: Yes, yes, they really did. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I

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think that was so. As much as I love this episode,

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I was also feeling like, very, very frustrated.

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>> Sarah : Oh, heartbroken.

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>> Will: Yeah. yeah. I mean, I was just like. When I

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finished it, I was, I was angry.

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>> Will: I mean, it literally. And I did, you know, and it

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took me a minute to. First I was just. It took me

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a minute to just sort of like what was I so angry

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about? And I think you just captured a lot of it,

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which was, you know, the, the how they tried to

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wipe away Mark and used her memories against her

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and use that last experience with her. And you're

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right that. I mean, I think I was sick to my

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stomach whenever, you know, whenever. Because I,

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you know, clearly whenever, you, know. Because it

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was one of those things. It was. Yes, it was

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telegraphed with that conversation and how he was

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distracted. I knew it was coming, but when it was,

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I think the execution of it and we. And when you.

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When you put it up against the early scene with

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the Doctor, it just. It's just so damn effective.

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And I was just so angry. and that the whole

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situation and like the depths that this company

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will go to like, achieve whatever they're, you

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know, this, this, this sick. Ended. They're.

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They're going for. Towards. With. With severance.

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And I guess, you know, it is a company so you

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know, I guess with all these various experiments

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that they're doing, like with the dental. You

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know, the dental, experiment that they're doing on

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Gemma and, and you know, and we talked about it

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before that. Yes, they are pharmaceutical

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companies. So, you know, is. Are they going to try

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to market, you know, the severance procedure now

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for like if you have an anxiety to go to the

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dentist? You know, we'll, we'll, we'll, you know,

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we will just, you know, have your. Any go to the

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appointment now so, you know, so your audio

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doesn't have to deal with it. I mean, it's just

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when you start to think about the levels of like.

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Of where they, where to go, where they're going to

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go and where this company could go with what. With

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this procedure. It's just, it's just gross and

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really scary.

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>> Sarah : Is it really scary? M. Two things.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Like, I agree with you, it is really scary, but I

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think it's really scary because as a person who I

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feel like we make it our, Part of like a big

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motivation in life is to never experience pain.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Whether it be physical or mental. So, so right

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there you're like, the scary thing is there's a

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market for it.

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>> Will: Yes.

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>> Sarah : Like.

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>> Will: Yes.

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>> Sarah : Like it wouldn't be. But I, I also think on top of

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it, what they did well with. With the Doctor is.

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And his dynamic with Gemma that kind of evolves or

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we. We see bits and pieces is the, They were able

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to almost give us an impression. It was as if

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every time she'd go through a door there was a

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potential. And in some sequences it almost felt

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like a violation and like she was being almost

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like mind raped. And. And so that was just very

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upsetting and very much like when it's one thing

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the company is scary and what they could do with

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it and the potential. But I think what they did

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with the Doctor in particular is like. And then

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they're going to give this technology, I. E. This

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power to people who then could do horrible things.

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Because I don't think some of the, the, the. The.

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I don't think that Christmas scene was completely

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going on the Keir Guy Guide book.

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>> Will: No.

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>> Sarah : You know what I'm saying? I. I don't. I think he

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went off script.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And Drummond calls him out

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on it. I mean, you know, like.

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>> Sarah : Well, that's like before he. He says that. Which

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kind of pushes him to go off script.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, I think, but they, I

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think that. I think the point of that scene, you

484
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,280
know, to, I mean it res. It goes. Carries beyond

485
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:07,940
that scene as far as just like how, you know, how,

486
00:29:07,940 --> 00:29:13,020
how perverse attachment and that. That the doctor

487
00:29:13,020 --> 00:29:16,380
has. And it's almost. I mean, it's. You. You said

488
00:29:16,380 --> 00:29:19,540
it earlier how it's like, you know, that I'm

489
00:29:19,540 --> 00:29:21,220
paraphrasing, but Jim is a lab rat.

490
00:29:21,820 --> 00:29:26,090
>> Will: And. And so, you know, he, you know, so yes, the

491
00:29:26,090 --> 00:29:28,250
doctor does have this perverse like, obsession

492
00:29:28,250 --> 00:29:31,120
with her, but I don't know if it's like genuine

493
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,480
affection or if it's like affection for. Or it's

494
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,640
like more just the fascination. Obsession of just,

495
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,680
you know, carrying out these experiments to their,

496
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,640
to their fullest extent. And you know, why Cold

497
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:46,200
harbor, getting Mark back and to finish Cold

498
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,880
harbor so they can do this next room, whatever

499
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,580
that. Whatever is going to be in that room, is so

500
00:29:53,580 --> 00:29:54,420
important to them.

501
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,360
>> Sarah : we already talked about. Well, I did mention what

502
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,520
this episode was named and it is mentioned in the

503
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:10,760
episode itself as she's, I think it's her cards

504
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,520
that she's looking at. And Mark, has a question

505
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,920
about it and it's like, is it the same guy

506
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,580
fighting, fighting himself or is it like a twin or

507
00:30:22,580 --> 00:30:25,470
another guy? well. And then she gives the

508
00:30:25,470 --> 00:30:28,030
explanation that it's the same guy fighting

509
00:30:28,030 --> 00:30:31,670
himself to defeat ego. What. What was your

510
00:30:31,670 --> 00:30:35,670
takeaway on that exchange in terms of context for

511
00:30:35,670 --> 00:30:36,750
the entire show?

512
00:30:38,190 --> 00:30:40,430
>> Will: So we've seen these cars before because Dylan

513
00:30:40,990 --> 00:30:43,310
snagged a card in the first season.

514
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:44,240
>> Sarah : Okay.

515
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,710
>> Will: and so, I mean, you know, so the, the, you know,

516
00:30:47,710 --> 00:30:52,490
so the title of the episode is basically it's, you

517
00:30:52,490 --> 00:30:57,949
know, it's sort of, you know, basically part of

518
00:30:57,949 --> 00:31:00,630
Buddhism and it's sort of, you know, moment of

519
00:31:00,630 --> 00:31:02,670
death. I mean, I've seen different translations of

520
00:31:02,670 --> 00:31:04,550
it, but essentially it's just like, you know, it's

521
00:31:04,550 --> 00:31:11,550
a part of the rebirth cycle potentially. and you

522
00:31:11,550 --> 00:31:13,430
know, what we've just discussed here, the last,

523
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:16,550
you know, 30 minutes or so is as far as like the.

524
00:31:16,550 --> 00:31:21,830
Any versus Outtie, the arena, you know, the

525
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:24,470
reintegration of Mark, as far as, you know, his,

526
00:31:24,550 --> 00:31:29,750
his two separate path parts into one. what we're

527
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:32,150
seeing with Gemma and the others. You know, I

528
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:36,790
really, I really think that this is just, I mean,

529
00:31:36,790 --> 00:31:40,550
it's a dual. It's really like, Like a duality of.

530
00:31:40,550 --> 00:31:45,830
Of. Of. Of who you are. And it's something that

531
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:48,070
we've seen throughout, you know, throughout this

532
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:51,520
series. It's like, you know, what makes you m.

533
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:56,550
What makes you you. And. And we see that with the.

534
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:58,910
With the splitting up of the Innies and the

535
00:31:58,910 --> 00:32:02,730
audience. at the end of the day, it is you as a

536
00:32:02,730 --> 00:32:06,530
person, but I feel like it's just different

537
00:32:06,530 --> 00:32:10,070
aspects of your personality that, like, you know,

538
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:16,870
where it, you know, the motivations for the Outtie

539
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:19,070
is like, you know, trying to escape, like we were

540
00:32:19,070 --> 00:32:21,430
saying before, like, pain, whether it's physical

541
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:24,270
pain, whether it's emotional pain. And. Whereas

542
00:32:24,270 --> 00:32:27,440
any really wants to, like, you know, where we've

543
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,760
seen these. These. Any characters really want to

544
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,520
experience life. And at least like with. With

545
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,480
Helly and, you know, with Dylan, are we, you know,

546
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:42,800
we see the, you know, what they. What they want

547
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,160
and have, you know, their life. So.

548
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:48,640
>> Sarah : Have you,

549
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:49,210
>> Will: Yeah.

550
00:32:49,210 --> 00:32:51,570
>> Sarah : Have you seen the movie Eternal Sunshine of

551
00:32:51,570 --> 00:32:52,330
Spotless Mind?

552
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,680
>> Will: I saw it once a long time ago. Yeah.

553
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,240
>> Sarah : You only saw that once.

554
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,000
>> Will: I only saw it one time.

555
00:33:00,590 --> 00:33:01,890
>> Sarah : you, might want to revisit it.

556
00:33:02,530 --> 00:33:04,770
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. I've been thinking that. I've been.

557
00:33:04,770 --> 00:33:07,170
Here's. Yeah. For people like, you're referencing

558
00:33:07,170 --> 00:33:08,890
that. That movie and I'm like, yeah, I need to go

559
00:33:08,890 --> 00:33:10,450
watch that because it's been. That's probably.

560
00:33:10,770 --> 00:33:12,450
It's been forever since I watched it.

561
00:33:12,930 --> 00:33:16,530
>> Sarah : I. I was obsessed with it. I was obsessed with it.

562
00:33:16,530 --> 00:33:21,650
I. To the point where I do have the dvd. but I

563
00:33:21,970 --> 00:33:24,650
can't play the DVD because I don't know how to

564
00:33:24,650 --> 00:33:31,770
take it off. Director's commentary. but I bring it

565
00:33:31,770 --> 00:33:37,210
up because of the. That that movie basically

566
00:33:37,370 --> 00:33:43,570
encapsulates this idea that if two people, like,

567
00:33:43,570 --> 00:33:46,870
fall in love but go through a breakup, have all

568
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:51,630
their memories erased, like that decision to then,

569
00:33:52,910 --> 00:33:55,670
like, they're now missing, but they're still drawn

570
00:33:55,670 --> 00:33:59,550
to each other. So I, I feel like if you watch that

571
00:33:59,550 --> 00:34:03,430
movie and put it in context, some of the themes

572
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:05,870
that are going on and playing out here, especially

573
00:34:05,870 --> 00:34:10,270
with relationships and love relationships, it.

574
00:34:10,670 --> 00:34:14,190
It's very. It's very similar in terms of like,

575
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:18,310
would you do it all over again, even though you

576
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:20,310
knew it didn't work out the first time around?

577
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:25,830
And, and it's. And. And here's the thing, though,

578
00:34:25,830 --> 00:34:29,550
with Severance and Mark and Gemma, it's not that

579
00:34:29,550 --> 00:34:34,190
it didn't work out. She died. Okay. Now, they were

580
00:34:34,190 --> 00:34:37,590
fighting, but she died. That's a very different

581
00:34:37,670 --> 00:34:42,270
thing. So it's. It's it's interesting. The other

582
00:34:42,270 --> 00:34:46,790
thing that I was thinking about. We will talk

583
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:50,790
about episode eight. We will, I swear. But, but,

584
00:34:50,870 --> 00:34:55,670
and okay. And I, and I'm not and you guys have

585
00:34:55,910 --> 00:34:58,350
like listened to me long enough so I don't always

586
00:34:58,350 --> 00:35:02,140
bring up K Pop, but I have to in the sense. and I

587
00:35:02,140 --> 00:35:10,260
have to bring up bts. BTS have, has a, they, they,

588
00:35:10,340 --> 00:35:14,440
they have a a series of albums within their full

589
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,040
discography. The Love Yourself albums,

590
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,960
specifically the last one, Map of the Soul 7. And

591
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,960
why I bring up Map of the Soul 7 album is because

592
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:30,950
there are three tracks. they're solos by three

593
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:35,670
different members. it starts off with RM's Persona

594
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:41,470
and then it goes into Suga's ah, shadow and then

595
00:35:41,470 --> 00:35:46,710
it ends with J. Hope's ego. So what you were just

596
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:51,030
talking about in terms of Persona and identity and

597
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:55,510
all of that. So all I could think about was, was

598
00:35:55,590 --> 00:36:00,110
those three songs, as well as this idea. Okay, so

599
00:36:00,590 --> 00:36:03,470
here we're talking about the ego in this episode.

600
00:36:04,270 --> 00:36:07,350
Does that mean that the innie is the ego or is the

601
00:36:07,350 --> 00:36:10,110
any the shadow? Because there are different

602
00:36:10,190 --> 00:36:13,580
things, they're different aspects. and I would

603
00:36:13,580 --> 00:36:16,500
have to brush up on the meaning of each of those,

604
00:36:16,820 --> 00:36:23,110
those aspects of, of a soul, of a person. but, but

605
00:36:23,110 --> 00:36:26,230
I, I think that they are. And then it goes back

606
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:30,150
into the question that the, the Bert dinner

607
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:35,110
brought up was also like, well, at what point does

608
00:36:35,110 --> 00:36:39,190
the innie itself start to become like have its own

609
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:44,710
Persona, its own ego and its own. Because yeah, I

610
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:48,410
still think that what separates the any from the

611
00:36:48,410 --> 00:36:53,850
Outtie is just experience. You have, you have the,

612
00:36:53,850 --> 00:36:59,070
the Outtie who has been through, who has but like,

613
00:36:59,070 --> 00:37:05,510
like just so, so then you have the same person but

614
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:08,470
in this, who just lives in this bubble, this

615
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:13,010
confined space and that's all they know. And, but

616
00:37:14,290 --> 00:37:18,490
last season we, we now have four, four innies who

617
00:37:18,490 --> 00:37:21,810
have been through the overtime contingency

618
00:37:21,810 --> 00:37:25,410
experience, who have been through a creepy

619
00:37:25,570 --> 00:37:31,020
retreat. they're starting to go through some stuff

620
00:37:31,020 --> 00:37:34,600
and the, the relationships too that are at ah

621
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,660
play. The longer people around each other, the

622
00:37:37,660 --> 00:37:41,050
loyalty develops, love event develops, friendship

623
00:37:41,050 --> 00:37:47,050
develops. So, so I, I think maybe that's also

624
00:37:48,420 --> 00:37:50,500
where they're getting at as well.

625
00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:55,260
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I, I, I agree. And, and those, yeah,

626
00:37:55,260 --> 00:37:58,420
and, and, and I guess you know, with these

627
00:37:58,420 --> 00:38:01,300
experiments and, and, and you know the question is

628
00:38:01,300 --> 00:38:03,300
like are the severance. You know, think of drum

629
00:38:03,380 --> 00:38:05,940
saying it. Art of severance, bonds hold, holding.

630
00:38:07,650 --> 00:38:09,930
and what you said earlier about, you know, and

631
00:38:09,930 --> 00:38:12,370
what we discussed last week with. With Mark, Scout

632
00:38:12,370 --> 00:38:15,610
and. And Helena. You know, the affection and the

633
00:38:15,610 --> 00:38:18,610
love that was like, building between Heli and

634
00:38:18,610 --> 00:38:23,730
Mark. S. You know, you know, Will. Will that.

635
00:38:23,970 --> 00:38:26,850
Will. That affection and love transcend the

636
00:38:26,850 --> 00:38:29,850
severance procedures, which I guess is also what

637
00:38:29,850 --> 00:38:32,210
we're seeing now with. With Mark and Gemma.

638
00:38:33,090 --> 00:38:38,570
>> Sarah : Well, well, I, I like how we. We hear that line at

639
00:38:38,570 --> 00:38:41,730
least once or twice in the episode while

640
00:38:41,810 --> 00:38:45,330
simultaneously. We're not just watching Gemma this

641
00:38:45,330 --> 00:38:48,930
whole time. Mark is in fact journeying himself

642
00:38:49,490 --> 00:38:56,780
because the reintegration. he. He, He becomes,

643
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,190
Anyway, anyway, I want to say unconscious, but

644
00:38:59,190 --> 00:39:01,390
he's not really unconscious or.

645
00:39:02,190 --> 00:39:02,990
>> Will: Yeah, he's.

646
00:39:02,990 --> 00:39:07,930
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah, he has, So. And. And that leads

647
00:39:07,930 --> 00:39:13,530
to Devon. Devon to make a call and unknowingly

648
00:39:13,530 --> 00:39:17,210
makes a choice. Azell, you're out. Cobel, you're

649
00:39:17,210 --> 00:39:21,220
in. Which takes us to episode eight. Sweet vital

650
00:39:21,940 --> 00:39:25,060
discoveries are made. And this is the Cobel

651
00:39:25,220 --> 00:39:28,900
episode. And, Will, what did you think about this

652
00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:29,540
episode?

653
00:39:31,220 --> 00:39:32,820
>> Will: So I.

654
00:39:34,740 --> 00:39:37,140
>> Sarah : Oh my God, we are so on the same page.

655
00:39:37,860 --> 00:39:43,500
>> Will: Yeah, this did not need a full 30. I, mean, this

656
00:39:43,500 --> 00:39:46,020
is not even a full 37 minute episode. I'm sorry.

657
00:39:46,020 --> 00:39:47,220
It just, it just.

658
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:49,510
>> Sarah : It was so boring.

659
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:54,070
>> Will: Yes. They could have really cut a lot of this,

660
00:39:55,420 --> 00:39:57,020
into. They could have interspliced this

661
00:39:57,020 --> 00:39:59,260
throughout. Sprinkle these little. This

662
00:39:59,260 --> 00:40:02,380
throughout. They really could have. I mean. Yeah,

663
00:40:02,380 --> 00:40:02,780
it.

664
00:40:04,140 --> 00:40:10,460
>> Sarah : A part of me is glad it was one episode because I.

665
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:14,870
>> Will: It's my least favorite one.

666
00:40:15,110 --> 00:40:18,990
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, I see. See, this is why we're on the

667
00:40:18,990 --> 00:40:22,390
same page this week. So. Because I was like. I was

668
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:26,390
like. A part of me is glad that I watched these

669
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:29,830
two back to back. But another part of me is mad

670
00:40:29,830 --> 00:40:32,510
because I went from like my favorite episode of

671
00:40:32,510 --> 00:40:37,430
the show to, to this, which I kind of. I, I was. I

672
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:41,240
was definitely like checking my watch, like, come

673
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:44,160
on, get this over with. I don't know. I don't. I

674
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,360
don't care. And it's funny because I, I mentioned

675
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,040
at the top of the discussion for episode seven,

676
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,600
like, the silence in it. There was too much

677
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,480
silence in this episode.

678
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,890
>> Will: Yeah, I mean. Oh, yeah, I will say, is. I know

679
00:41:01,890 --> 00:41:04,010
before we started recording it, I was talking, I

680
00:41:04,010 --> 00:41:07,710
was sharing with you my, My, my, My experience

681
00:41:07,710 --> 00:41:09,750
with the Carolina Panthers this season where, you

682
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:12,070
know, like, last week it was like we went from the

683
00:41:12,070 --> 00:41:14,150
lowest of lows because it was a game we should

684
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:16,750
have won. It had great momentum going. And then

685
00:41:16,750 --> 00:41:18,950
this week we. We take care of business in Atlanta.

686
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:20,630
And I felt like that's what this episode, these

687
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:23,630
two episodes back to back, because it was like we

688
00:41:23,630 --> 00:41:25,990
had just an awesome momentum. It was like, you

689
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:27,710
know, to your point, as you're discussing about

690
00:41:27,710 --> 00:41:30,140
episode, you know, six, seven, you know, bringing

691
00:41:30,140 --> 00:41:32,540
up the Burt conversation from six, we had all this

692
00:41:32,540 --> 00:41:34,820
momentum coming with the show, and I just felt

693
00:41:34,820 --> 00:41:36,420
like it just came to a screeching halt.

694
00:41:36,580 --> 00:41:37,020
>> Sarah : Yeah.

695
00:41:37,020 --> 00:41:40,220
>> Will: For something that. That. That. Yes. I mean, it

696
00:41:40,220 --> 00:41:43,460
was cool. You know, visually, it was interesting

697
00:41:43,620 --> 00:41:46,099
seeing the town again, just having different, you

698
00:41:46,099 --> 00:41:48,300
know, different look and everything. Because we

699
00:41:48,300 --> 00:41:50,220
have been. You know, I mentioned earlier in the

700
00:41:50,220 --> 00:41:53,560
season, whenever we were, at the, When they went

701
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,500
on the, the excursion, m. It was nice to get out

702
00:41:56,500 --> 00:41:58,420
of the plant because it was just like, after a

703
00:41:58,420 --> 00:42:02,260
while, it was just so claustrophobic and so, you

704
00:42:02,260 --> 00:42:04,460
know, so there was interesting framing here,

705
00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:08,380
especially with, like, you know, again, we talk

706
00:42:08,380 --> 00:42:13,020
about how Lumon is omnipresent, and we see. We see

707
00:42:14,700 --> 00:42:17,500
the omnipresence of Lumon and how this. This

708
00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:21,250
company came into this town above, of Salt Snack

709
00:42:21,250 --> 00:42:26,290
and had the factory and. And, you know, but at the

710
00:42:26,290 --> 00:42:28,410
same time, you know, whenever she was talking to

711
00:42:28,410 --> 00:42:30,720
Hampton, about. About their experiences with the

712
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:33,720
child labor and. And. And the company moving out

713
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:35,720
and moving on, you know, it just decimated the

714
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:37,850
town, which you sometimes see, you know, so.

715
00:42:37,930 --> 00:42:42,820
>> Sarah : Yeah, well. So, the factory was for what, exactly?

716
00:42:43,860 --> 00:42:45,060
>> Will: I think it was the ether.

717
00:42:45,140 --> 00:42:46,750
>> Sarah : Was it an ether?

718
00:42:47,950 --> 00:42:50,230
>> Will: Yeah, well. Well, now I don't know if it was an

719
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:52,230
ether factory. I know that, you know, they had

720
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:55,830
the. The lore of, The legend of Kier meeting his

721
00:42:55,830 --> 00:42:59,070
wife in the ether, in the ether vats and that kind

722
00:42:59,070 --> 00:43:01,709
of stuff. So it was some type of pharmaceutical.

723
00:43:01,709 --> 00:43:02,950
You know, clearly it was some type of

724
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:06,630
pharmaceutical plant drugs. I just don't. Yeah,

725
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:07,110
yeah.

726
00:43:07,110 --> 00:43:11,630
>> Sarah : Which. Which drugs were drugs? Numb. And. And

727
00:43:11,630 --> 00:43:14,630
that's why, like, we learned through Hampton and

728
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:18,970
other people, in this town. I, mean, we see it

729
00:43:18,970 --> 00:43:21,450
right away when she's pulled over, brushing her

730
00:43:21,450 --> 00:43:24,210
teeth, which I thought was, like, interesting.

731
00:43:26,250 --> 00:43:31,110
dental hygiene. Very important. you can't. You

732
00:43:31,110 --> 00:43:35,470
can't take her too far away from Lumon, but. But

733
00:43:35,550 --> 00:43:40,030
you. You. She then watches someone get high, and

734
00:43:40,030 --> 00:43:43,400
then that. That is kind of like lingering, like,

735
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,320
more so than even omnipresent Lumon in this

736
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:53,050
episode. Like, just the. The drug, and the. The

737
00:43:53,050 --> 00:43:58,850
need for numbing of. Of pain and escapism, which.

738
00:43:59,250 --> 00:44:03,610
Which is. Does play into this idea of what we were

739
00:44:03,610 --> 00:44:06,130
just talking about in terms of, like, the

740
00:44:06,130 --> 00:44:13,870
marketability of Severed to. To isolate and to not

741
00:44:13,870 --> 00:44:19,320
Feel pain. and. And with. With the drugs that

742
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:24,040
we're familiar with that are. Are thankfully not

743
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:28,280
technology advanced. Technological advanced. They.

744
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:34,710
They. They cause more physical, disruption. Ah,

745
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:38,820
I'll say. and mental degradation, of course. But.

746
00:44:38,820 --> 00:44:42,140
But still, you see a lot more physicalness. And I

747
00:44:42,140 --> 00:44:44,740
think that's. That's mirrored not only in the

748
00:44:44,740 --> 00:44:48,820
people We. We seen this town, but as well as the

749
00:44:48,820 --> 00:44:53,500
town itself. There's a. Clearly, like, it's. It's

750
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:59,030
next to nothing at this point. the. The other.

751
00:45:00,470 --> 00:45:03,710
And. And. And see, See, I did watch the episode. I

752
00:45:03,710 --> 00:45:07,070
did not fall asleep because I did take note. As

753
00:45:07,070 --> 00:45:10,670
soon as I heard the line Winter Tide, I was like,

754
00:45:10,670 --> 00:45:17,670
yep, Ms. Hong. Okay. Because we. We learned that

755
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:21,190
this was something. A fellowship that Cobell

756
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:25,190
herself also did. And, the big thing, the big

757
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:28,750
reveal in this episode, if you call it that, is

758
00:45:28,750 --> 00:45:33,750
that. Is that Cobell is the actual inventor of

759
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:34,470
severance.

760
00:45:35,110 --> 00:45:35,590
>> Will: Yeah.

761
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:40,660
>> Sarah : And that technology. And Keir and them, or Egan

762
00:45:41,300 --> 00:45:46,660
took her ideas during the fellowship and have now

763
00:45:46,660 --> 00:45:50,250
mass produced and have made a fortune. So that

764
00:45:50,250 --> 00:45:53,810
also tells me more Cobell episodes to come in the

765
00:45:53,810 --> 00:45:54,050
future.

766
00:45:55,010 --> 00:45:59,690
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, and I guess that,

767
00:45:59,690 --> 00:46:04,000
you know, so. Because, you know, we were. I,

768
00:46:03,950 --> 00:46:07,260
think, like I said, even though I, mean there.

769
00:46:07,260 --> 00:46:13,420
There's still this episode. Yes. It had. It was

770
00:46:13,420 --> 00:46:16,070
not my. It was not my favorite at all. it was. You

771
00:46:16,070 --> 00:46:18,390
know, it was very. It was. It was very boring.

772
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:22,110
but. But even as we talk here, I mean, it did have

773
00:46:22,110 --> 00:46:24,710
some important. It did lay the foundation for some

774
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:27,110
important things, or maybe not lay the foundation,

775
00:46:27,110 --> 00:46:29,790
but answered some of the questions and. And. And

776
00:46:29,790 --> 00:46:34,390
did provide some of the. Give us some. A little

777
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:38,390
bit more understanding of where Cobell's head is.

778
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:44,420
And I guess for me, you know, given where we saw

779
00:46:44,420 --> 00:46:48,020
Harmony before, where she was just such an acolyte

780
00:46:48,020 --> 00:46:48,420
for.

781
00:46:48,900 --> 00:46:49,460
>> Sarah : Yeah.

782
00:46:50,020 --> 00:46:58,690
>> Will: For, here. And. And then, you know, when she. I

783
00:46:58,690 --> 00:47:00,690
don't, you know, coming back and then, like, you

784
00:47:00,690 --> 00:47:03,770
know, encountering having her. Her confrontation

785
00:47:03,770 --> 00:47:06,760
with her. With her aunt, and we learn all. You

786
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,160
know, we learn more about her backstory and, you

787
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:10,440
know, and I think, you know, one thing you did

788
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,800
point out is just the. The. The sadness and the

789
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:14,760
pain of this town.

790
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:15,620
>> Sarah : Yeah.

791
00:47:15,620 --> 00:47:19,590
>> Will: you know, so, you know, so we. So we see that with

792
00:47:19,590 --> 00:47:21,790
the town. We see that, you know, we see the backs.

793
00:47:21,790 --> 00:47:24,430
We learned that her mom actually was, you know,

794
00:47:24,750 --> 00:47:30,150
Was. Was not a fan of Kier at all. And it was

795
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:31,990
really the aunt who was, like, pushing all this.

796
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:34,750
And after mom got sick, you know, she was, you

797
00:47:34,750 --> 00:47:37,410
know, Sissy was the one that pushed her to go the

798
00:47:37,410 --> 00:47:38,970
school because, you know, the.

799
00:47:38,970 --> 00:47:39,250
>> Sarah : The.

800
00:47:39,250 --> 00:47:42,610
>> Will: The. The is like definitely like full on cult

801
00:47:42,610 --> 00:47:42,970
member.

802
00:47:44,250 --> 00:47:48,570
>> Sarah : Yeah. M. Which. Which I think the cultness and the

803
00:47:48,570 --> 00:47:49,850
religious aspect.

804
00:47:50,410 --> 00:47:50,810
>> Will: Yeah.

805
00:47:51,980 --> 00:47:55,060
>> Sarah : that. That was again, something that was kind of

806
00:47:55,060 --> 00:47:59,580
also alluded to during the Bert dinner last week.

807
00:48:00,140 --> 00:48:03,420
Like, and. And that you. You mentioned too. And I

808
00:48:03,420 --> 00:48:05,880
think even previous episodes, like the. There.

809
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:10,000
There is an undertone of religion here with Kier

810
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,770
and. Specifically with Kier. and. And then we have

811
00:48:14,770 --> 00:48:18,770
figures like Egan and then Lumon as a whole, so

812
00:48:18,930 --> 00:48:21,930
we're still. I. I feel. I don't know if everybody

813
00:48:21,930 --> 00:48:24,690
feels this way. I still am like trying to paint

814
00:48:25,330 --> 00:48:29,010
the. The tree and figure out the different

815
00:48:29,010 --> 00:48:34,540
branches here. But I, I think it's. I think that

816
00:48:34,620 --> 00:48:38,660
it's interesting just how they dressed Sissy in

817
00:48:38,660 --> 00:48:42,780
this episode. Very much like a nun figure. The.

818
00:48:43,340 --> 00:48:47,740
The. The things in her bedroom gave you. Like.

819
00:48:48,780 --> 00:48:53,020
But. But that's what happens too. Like, religion

820
00:48:53,020 --> 00:48:56,780
and cult behavior occurs because people are

821
00:48:56,780 --> 00:49:01,220
desperate. People need some kind of hope. So. So

822
00:49:01,220 --> 00:49:06,140
which is another thing that. That very much like

823
00:49:06,380 --> 00:49:12,780
drugs and technology, if you use it in a way, you

824
00:49:12,780 --> 00:49:16,700
could give false hope. You could. And. And then.

825
00:49:16,700 --> 00:49:20,180
Or create a cult. Not really a religion, but a

826
00:49:20,180 --> 00:49:24,740
cult. There is a difference. but. But some of the

827
00:49:24,740 --> 00:49:31,730
methods is eerily similar. so I, I agree with you.

828
00:49:31,730 --> 00:49:34,890
Like, it's. It's. I think what's frustrating about

829
00:49:34,890 --> 00:49:40,290
this episode is they. They. They glaze on a lot of

830
00:49:40,290 --> 00:49:43,120
different things, that thematically have been

831
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,960
playing on in background. I don't think the

832
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,840
execution is nearly on par, especially when we

833
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:54,520
compare it to episode seven. And, And I also think

834
00:49:54,600 --> 00:50:04,440
that they didn't. They didn't do something that

835
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:12,270
allows the viewer to, For me, the most. The most

836
00:50:12,270 --> 00:50:16,000
curious thing I, I, The most curious thing about

837
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:22,720
Cobell for me is m. Her dynamic with Mark. So, so

838
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:25,560
to me it's like, okay, so we're learning more

839
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:30,280
about here and Lumon and, And this town, but what

840
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,640
does that have to do with Mark? Like, that's all

841
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,760
I'm thinking. I'm. I'm just like, so when are we

842
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,240
gonna. Around to Mark or Gemma, you know, or. Or

843
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:43,100
there's a they. They didn't do they. If they had

844
00:50:43,420 --> 00:50:46,180
added more. I mean, the closest thing we got was

845
00:50:46,180 --> 00:50:50,380
Winter Tide. Okay. Yeah, but that, but it wasn't

846
00:50:50,380 --> 00:50:54,100
enough to really make you think to yourself, okay,

847
00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:57,980
this was worth it because we got a big reveal and.

848
00:50:57,980 --> 00:51:00,420
And in a way we were just like waiting for it

849
00:51:00,420 --> 00:51:03,100
because she kept. She was clearly looking for

850
00:51:03,100 --> 00:51:05,980
something and. And to come out with the plans and

851
00:51:05,980 --> 00:51:08,550
like, I'm the creator of Severance. I'm like, I

852
00:51:08,550 --> 00:51:10,910
don't think this was the time for that reveal.

853
00:51:11,710 --> 00:51:15,270
>> Will: Yeah, I just. Yeah, I just. Yeah, I just didn't

854
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:18,310
feel like it was like there was no. There's been

855
00:51:18,310 --> 00:51:23,030
nothing to, like, late. That. That. That. I mean,

856
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:27,670
I guess there has been some things in. I mean, it

857
00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:30,070
makes sense now as far as, like, you know, when we

858
00:51:30,070 --> 00:51:33,150
saw earlier in the season, whenever she. Whenever

859
00:51:33,150 --> 00:51:35,590
she went, when she and Helena had that

860
00:51:35,590 --> 00:51:38,770
conversation. you know, and I guess. Was it the

861
00:51:38,770 --> 00:51:40,850
second episode? Yeah, yeah, it was when we were.

862
00:51:40,850 --> 00:51:46,440
When we, Before she, like, left and. And, you

863
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,000
know, tried to get her job back and, you know,

864
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,080
whenever they were like, they wanted her to go do

865
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,640
something else, and then she was like, no, no. So.

866
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,080
But. But. But from a technical standpoint, I just.

867
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:02,040
I just didn't. I'm like, I didn't see, like, where

868
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,150
does she get this. The skill set to, like, come up

869
00:52:05,150 --> 00:52:09,710
with this technology to do this? I mean. I mean,

870
00:52:09,710 --> 00:52:11,710
yeah, we saw the sketches and all that kind of

871
00:52:11,710 --> 00:52:14,670
stuff, and. And, yeah, she was valid. You know, we

872
00:52:14,670 --> 00:52:16,190
saw what this. You know, whenever she was looking

873
00:52:16,190 --> 00:52:18,110
through the yearbook. She was valedictorian in the

874
00:52:18,110 --> 00:52:20,630
top of her class at the. At the. At the Lumon

875
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:24,470
school. But there. There was that piece. And then,

876
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:30,200
I. It just. But I think you're. But. But I think

877
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:31,880
that was the other thing, too. I think that was

878
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,120
very frustrating for me about this episode. It did

879
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,550
feel very disconnected from. From. From the whole.

880
00:52:39,310 --> 00:52:39,670
>> Sarah : Yeah.

881
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:42,270
>> Will: You know. Yeah, it just like, okay, yeah, we're.

882
00:52:42,590 --> 00:52:45,870
Again, it would have been. You know, I think they.

883
00:52:46,190 --> 00:52:48,670
You know, I say this now because I'm like, I've

884
00:52:48,670 --> 00:52:54,340
seen, you know, all these other episodes, but, at.

885
00:52:54,340 --> 00:52:56,820
At this juncture in the story, I don't know if I

886
00:52:56,820 --> 00:52:58,980
needed this, like, Harmony backstory.

887
00:52:59,940 --> 00:53:00,340
>> Sarah : Right.

888
00:53:00,860 --> 00:53:03,870
>> Will: M. It didn't add it for me at this. At least for

889
00:53:03,870 --> 00:53:06,150
now. Now maybe the next two episodes will.

890
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:06,470
>> Sarah : It.

891
00:53:06,550 --> 00:53:10,110
>> Will: We'll get the ultimate payoff. But as of now, I

892
00:53:10,110 --> 00:53:12,430
don't. I didn't feel like I needed all of this. I

893
00:53:12,430 --> 00:53:13,910
didn't need 37 minutes of this.

894
00:53:14,450 --> 00:53:20,050
>> Sarah : no. Yeah, yeah, no, no, I. I agree. It. I mean,

895
00:53:21,490 --> 00:53:25,290
when we got the call at the end, I mean, Devon

896
00:53:25,290 --> 00:53:29,030
was. Devin was calling her the whole time, but she

897
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:31,470
finally answers. But we already knew what that

898
00:53:31,470 --> 00:53:37,550
was, so. Yeah. Yeah, it. It definitely feels like

899
00:53:37,630 --> 00:53:41,470
more of a pause than it should on the season. But,

900
00:53:41,850 --> 00:53:45,650
But yeah, the caveat is who knows? Who knows what

901
00:53:45,650 --> 00:53:48,250
will happen in these last two episodes that will

902
00:53:48,730 --> 00:53:52,130
then reflect back on this episode? I mean, I. I

903
00:53:52,130 --> 00:53:55,510
can honestly say it's like I've seen worse. I

904
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:57,950
didn't fast forward. Forward through anything,

905
00:53:58,430 --> 00:54:03,790
unfortunately. I kind of regret. But. But I also

906
00:54:04,110 --> 00:54:07,820
am just like, not. Not one of my favorites in the

907
00:54:07,820 --> 00:54:08,460
slightest.

908
00:54:08,750 --> 00:54:11,330
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. And. And the other last thing I'll

909
00:54:11,330 --> 00:54:13,690
have to say too, about with. With the ending of

910
00:54:13,690 --> 00:54:18,170
the episode, which again, and maybe it's because

911
00:54:18,170 --> 00:54:20,690
of, like, going back to her hometown and like, you

912
00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:22,850
know, just weeping there into bed and, you know,

913
00:54:22,850 --> 00:54:26,390
getting high with. With that kind of stuff. It.

914
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:29,430
Whenever she had the turn there, she went from

915
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:32,910
like, you know, I was going to touch on it, touch

916
00:54:32,910 --> 00:54:36,870
on earlier, but you know, you know, she went, try.

917
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:40,230
You know, she was such an acolyte for Lumon and

918
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:45,270
Cure, and now she's like, maybe. Maybe I'm over

919
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:47,230
reading it. But now whenever she gets. When she

920
00:54:47,230 --> 00:54:50,030
gets to call and, you know, and finds out Raabi

921
00:54:50,030 --> 00:54:53,610
was successful and reintegrated Mark, was she,

922
00:54:53,610 --> 00:54:56,290
like, ready to tear it all down? Or she just. Or

923
00:54:56,290 --> 00:54:59,560
is it just more curiosity as far as, that. That it

924
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,280
worked and. And Mark survived because, you know,

925
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:02,560
because.

926
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,680
>> Sarah : Well, she knows how important Mark is to Lumon.

927
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:07,160
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

928
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,160
>> Sarah : So I think. I don't. I don't think it's curiosity.

929
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,840
I think it's. I think it's tear it all down. But

930
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,630
also, remember, Will, she invented the technology,

931
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:21,710
so now she also knows there's a way to undo it, in

932
00:55:21,710 --> 00:55:26,950
a sense. So. So like. Like, I think. I think that

933
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:29,670
there. There's a few different layers to her

934
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:30,310
motivation.

935
00:55:31,189 --> 00:55:32,670
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Because she does. She does have

936
00:55:32,670 --> 00:55:36,310
leverage now. Whereas before, you know, before,

937
00:55:37,830 --> 00:55:39,990
whenever she had that prior meeting with. With

938
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:42,280
Helena, she didn't have that leverage, but now

939
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,040
that she knows that it can successfully be undone

940
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:48,720
as long as Mark, you know, doesn't turn out like

941
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:51,600
Petey, then. But she won't because he's the lead,

942
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:52,240
so.

943
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,840
>> Sarah : Well, Helena made her an offer.

944
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:57,240
>> Will: Yeah.

945
00:55:57,240 --> 00:56:00,640
>> Sarah : Let's not forget that. But then she. The last time

946
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,560
we really saw Cobel was after that offer was made.

947
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,760
And then it looked like there was a fake out

948
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:08,680
because it looked like she was going to go through

949
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,540
with it. And then she just screams out of nowhere

950
00:56:11,540 --> 00:56:16,030
as runs into her car and then leaves. So, So see,

951
00:56:16,110 --> 00:56:18,630
that was the other thing I kept thinking about

952
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:20,910
that scene throughout this entire episode being

953
00:56:20,910 --> 00:56:23,790
like, okay, so when are we going to the payoff for

954
00:56:24,110 --> 00:56:27,830
and you can say, well, she, like, they screwed her

955
00:56:27,830 --> 00:56:31,390
over before, but I don't know, I, I need something

956
00:56:31,390 --> 00:56:34,760
more tangible that I can really succinctly be

957
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,560
like, okay, now I understand her behavior in that

958
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:41,280
moment, which I still don't really. And I still, I

959
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,600
mean, I don't think the Cobell from season one has

960
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,400
even really been explained despite having a full

961
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:51,880
episode dedicated to her. So, yeah, it's, it's,

962
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it's bit frustrating.

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>> Will: It was, it was, I just didn't, yeah, like I said,

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it just, Yeah, I mean it. Patricia Arquette, she,

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she, she could play crazy, she could play these

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characters wonderfully, but it just, it just

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really felt like, as we discussed before, really

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just felt disconnected from, from the overall. And

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it just kind of killed the momentum that they had

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built up. So, so, so. Well, which, you know, maybe

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if even if I had watched, I think I still would

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have had the same reaction. Even if I had this,

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like, watched this real time, like what we. From

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week, from week seven to week eight, I probably

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still would have felt this, I think I would have

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felt the same way because this episode just, just

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didn't, didn't ring right.

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>> Sarah : It would have been worse. It would have been worse

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because then you have to wait another week to get

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like, like any, you didn't even have episode seven

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to pair it with necessarily. Like, it would have

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been worse.

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>> Will: But in some ways we still have to still, in some

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ways, since we are playing, you know, since we are

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doing the rules, we don't watch ahead. I, I, you

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know, I guess gotta, you know, I, you know, I

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doubt I'll get to this episode until closer to

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next week when we record again. So I guess I'll

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feel, yeah, so, I'll still have that, a little bit

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of that experience.

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>> Sarah : All right, well, on that note, Will, why don't you

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tell our listeners where they can find you?

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>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at. Ah,

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willmpolk W I L L M M P O L K. And you.

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>> Sarah : Can find me there too at SJ Belmont. Sjblmnt M.

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