Severance S2 Episodes 5 & 6: Milchek's Shocking True Identity & Helena's Identity Crisis

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Greeting nerds, this is Scene Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont. I'm with me, as

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always, is our Mr. Producer. Will. Paul, how are you doing tonight? Will,

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doing very well. Sarah, how you doing this Monday evening?

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I'm doing good.

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question. Good.

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Yeah. W

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like,

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that was new intro music.

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Yeah. Yeah. It was one I had, had

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used before, but not with the new platform that we're using with,

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with Stream Yard here. So, figured I just mix it up a little bit.

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Yeah. It threw me, because I was used to

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the, the other intro music, and then when this one started and it suddenly went up

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a key, I was like, what is happening? What kind of party is Will throwing all of

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a sudden? Yeah. Yeah. I figured, you know. Yeah. It, I

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just wanted to try something different and I know Yeah. With,

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with the intros and,

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uh,

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see if keep, you know,

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keep you on your toes.

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Keep me on my toes.

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well, we are going to talk about Severance season two,

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episodes five and six, but before we do, I have a story to tell.

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Okay.

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heading into, I wanna say Thursday or Friday, probably Thursday,

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I was only watching one kdr Okay. On Netflix, would you Marry Me?

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that was the, that's the title of the K drama.

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and I, and I'm caught up on episodes, so I can't binge it or everything, and it just

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started. So

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then

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earlier in the week, I was seeing these tiktoks for some of these other K dramas.

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and one in particular really caught my eye. So the next thing you know, I'm on this

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website called Vicki, which is where

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you can find a lot of these, these dramas. And of course it's sub subscription. It's

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an app. So

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you, you have, they, they do a smart thing where they, they have episodes for free,

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and so you watch those and then it's the,

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you're like, huh. So, so this other drama called Dear X,

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which also is a, apparently on HBO, but I looked at the fine print in some countries

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and I'm pretty sure it's not ours.

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So I watched both of those episodes and then there was two more, and I was like,

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Ugh, I need to know, so we're gonna do this. So I paid for the subscription because

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in the back of my head I was seeing these edits for this other drama.

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You see where I'm going with it? This other K drama,

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called,

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oh my God, why, why am I Blank Spirit Fingers?

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I have three, I've collected three. Right.

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then,

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I also knew because anticipation of this other kdr called As You Stood By

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I knew was dropping or just starting this week, but this is also a mini series, so

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all eight episodes have already dropped.

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okay.

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So I also started that one. So now I'm at four,

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heading into Sunday, and then I watched these two episodes of Severance, but then

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I wanted to go back and watch some more episodes and get caught up on some of these

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shows that I've recently started. So

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it, none of these shows are also, also just, here's the funny thing,

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they are all so different

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that because collecting shows you can find like, oh, I,

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this is becoming redundant because the same thing is going on, but like, would you

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marry me? It's, it's a romantic comedy. That's, that's what it is.

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then you have Spirit Fingers, which is a romantic comedy, but

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it is also a high school drama.

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and I'm a little bit obsessed with the main actor in it because I just, I just don't

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know what it is. And I was thinking about this.

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I think

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it's very rare to actually see someone who has genuine comedic chops.

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Like, not only in terms of delivering aligned, but the physical comedy.

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I laughed out loud so many times watching this show because of the physical comedy

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that this guy does.

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there was just some, some, some looks in particular where I was like, oh my God,

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now it's also high school and it's, and it can be very childish. I totally understand

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that. But for whatever reason,

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Dunno why I really like it. It works for me.

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those are two. Right? On the flip side, you have Dear X, which is,

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how do I explain Dear X?

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the, the, the one thing that comes to mind is Black Widow, not necessarily the superhero,

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but more about the,

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the, the, the fem fatal that you think of when you think of somebody being called

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a black widow. Now she's younger, so she's not going after husbands, but she,

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she comes from

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an abusive household

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and that has totally fucked her up.

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And then you're watching her fuck up the lives of other people, specifically men.

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And, and I will put this out there. I am not necessarily watching this for her.

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but they, they introduce a

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Yeah, it is what a step sibling.

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They are not related, and it's, yeah, it's whole thing. And I am more interested

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in his storyline and how he navigates this whole situation because he's a bit, he's,

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he's in love with her.

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I, I saw this great meme go around about this show that defines this relationship.

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And it's like, she's clearly a red flag, but he's colorblind.

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So, so then there's that, and then there's the last one. As I stood by,

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again, this is all very different.

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This is probably the most mature.

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rightfully so, considering it's all about domestic abuse.

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And,

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and,

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I, in more than ways than one, which when I was watching the first couple of episodes,

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I was kind of surprised by Oh, so, so you, you do have, you do meet these two characters

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who are friends, childhood friends, and you see how

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one of them learns that the other is being abused by her husband.

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But on the flip side, you also learn about some of the family that one of the characters

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had, and then the legacy of that. And then it goes into a few different directions.

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And, and I'm kind of glad I'm taking that one by

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a bit slower than the others. Yeah. Just because that's the, that's heavy. That's

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very heavy.

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Yeah, I was gonna say, that does sound pretty, pretty heavy stuff to try to like,

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take in all at once.

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Yeah. Yeah. And

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I, I, I,

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looking back Sunday night, I was just thinking to myself, I'm like, wait till I tell

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Will how

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I, I made it pretty much majority of last week with only one K drama. And the next

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thing I know I have like collected all of these shows now. Yeah. I, I,

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full disclosure, because I know I don't always talk about some of the things that

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I'm watching specifically in the KDRs

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just because since the hi height of

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my curiosity about Korean dramas occurred a few years ago, I have noticed that I

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am very quick though to be excited about it, and then as the episodes go on, quickly

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be like, no, I, I'm done.

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Yeah. I, I, yeah. You know, it's funny, I,

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I was just thinking about that the other day that

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I, I had not heard you talk about, you know, any k dramas recently. So I was, it's

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funny that, you know, so it's funny that you bring it up tonight because I was gonna,

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I was gonna ask you, it's like, you know, what's,

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what's the latest in in Sarah's c drama adventures? Because you, you haven't talked

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about any recently.

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Well, I honestly have not been watching a lot of them. I, I've, I've started a lot

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of them, and then the only one I really finished was our unknown soul, and that was

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like back in June or something. And,

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I had one earlier this year,

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when the phone rings. And I will tell you, I still haven't watched the last episode

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of that. I know what happens.

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I was just,

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I, it some, sometimes

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what I found is

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KDRs can start off really strong.

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And then, because there's typically 16 episodes,

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they, they can go on too long,

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and I'm just done. And, and I've noticed some other things as well.

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but it, and, and I've also developed kind of like, Ooh,

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if I bring up that I just started one of them on the show, what are, what are the

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chances that that within like the next two weeks, I'll drop it because I'll just

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be kind of over it.

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So yeah. That's part of Yeah, that's true. And that's probably probably one another

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reason why I, I just

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don't bring it up, because

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chances are that was Will, what, it's what will happen with,

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with something you bring up here, so

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Right.

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It's like I'm,

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I'm the jinx.

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Well, and,

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I also wanna not,

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I've learned my lessons about recommending or,

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saying like, something's really good when I haven't seen it all the way through.

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Right. You know? Fair enough. Yeah.

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so, but, but

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yeah, so, so who knows Out of the four, I think at least I'll finish one of them.

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Well, no, I'm probably gonna finish all of those, but yeah. Who knows what what'll

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happen in the

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Yeah. In due time, right?

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Yeah. Yeah. In,

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In due time. But

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yeah, so, so that, that diversion brings us to severance. Season two, episode five,

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Trojans Horse Tensions emerge after the Team suffers a Loss.

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That's the summary.

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will, where do you wanna start with this episode?

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I went down the rabbit hole,

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uh,

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and I, and folks

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who,

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who probably watched a show and like, you know, and,

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especially season one, I guess there was season one, there was

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a,

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a companion piece that was,

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that was published called The Lexington Letters.

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I don't know if you've heard about this on any of the Yeah,

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yeah. So

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I was,

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I heard about this Lexington letter, and basically it's, it was

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a,

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it, it is a, you know, it came from the, the showrunner. It came from, you know,

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Dan Erickson and Ben Stiller. And it, it basically tells,

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about a,

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an employee who was employed at Lumen,

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who was a severed employee, and her name was Peg, and she underwent the severance

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procedure. And

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she,

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did, she was also an MDR refiner on the sever floor.

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And then she figured out a way to create a, uh, communications between her innie,

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and, and, and the outtie and,

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and attempt to expose some of Illumina's,

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inner workings only to end up dead in a car accident.

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So I, you know, so once I learned that Alice was, is like, Ooh, I gotta, like, you

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know, I gotta figure out more about this Lexington letter. So it's like a 43 page

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campaign, and I'm not gonna get into it all now, but there's some definite things

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that now, now that I've heard about this and some of the things that we're gonna

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talk about tonight, and also just other things. Just watching the first season definitely,

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like,

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adds to the adds, adds to the mystery of it all. But

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that being said, as far as just getting

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back into the context

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of, of these two episodes,

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uh, one of the one interesting thing, especially given how episode five,

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starts out,

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with the cold open of the guy, the mysterious person will, the cart down the,

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the hall and whistling the Edmund Citro,

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the day is November 10,

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2025 as we're recording this, and it's actually the 50th anniversary of the sinking

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of the Edmund Fitzgerald

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which was,

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yeah. So I was just like, huh, okay.

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this very, this is very funny that,

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'cause I had, I had this happen to see,

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something about that, the anniversary coming up today when I was watching episode

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episodes,

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over the weekend.

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And,

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I was just like, oh, I gotta make sure to make a note of, to bring that up tonight

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as we're watching, as we were watching the pod,

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discussing the podcast,

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here on the podcast about the episode. And,

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but as far as, you know, so it was just like, with that and just sort of the framing

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of the start of the episode as he's whistling and

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we get down to, you know, we don't see who he is. So, of course, you know, nothing

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is done in a show without intention. So

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we, we see, you know, so I was just like,

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I wonder what this, what's up with this character? And also just given, you know,

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one of the things about that song in particular,

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by Gordon Lightfoot,

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talks about how Lake Superior

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never gives up or dead. It was where the ship, it sank.

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and so,

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I was thinking about like, you know, all these mysteries,

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with Gemma and now with Irving

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be the, or any,

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you know, as far as, you know,

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what, is this a prescient thing that they're trying to like, tell us here? Or is

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this, I'm reading too much into it, but that was sort of my initial thoughts as far

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as episode five.

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given the context of all the things that are, that,

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is going on as far as the anniversary of the, the sinking of that ship,

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I wanna talk about Mil Check and Miss Hong.

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Yeah. Because I think,

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in both of these episodes, and I'm not gonna jump into at Till quite yet, but Okay.

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they stuck out the most to me.

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because,

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and I say that not to

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like

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say that I'm annoyed with the heli and Mark stuff.

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I just found that in the other storylines,

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specifically with this episode,

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there was a lot of saying of things,

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that as a viewer, I was kind of like,

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Yeah, we know. And I understand how you're basically this episode, you're, you're

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really watching Heli realize what occurred.

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and, and which is heartbreaking.

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at the same, and, and also Mark just kind of reorientating

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himself, like with the deceit of it all.

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and, and, and so that

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I gave him some credit because it was executed well, but I, I did find myself reaching

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for my phone. I was not glued to my seat in any way,

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because it just, it felt more like,

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okay, all of,

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a lot of very big things happened in the previous few episodes. So this episode is

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trying to get these characters to almost regroup and reset in a way.

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Yeah.

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which, which I think in terms of the characters, they completely needed that. I understand

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that as a viewer. I dunno if

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I needed that quite,

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because like what you just brought up with the cold open, I'm like, well,

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can we go look more over here?

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yeah.

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But, but I,

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and then you have, and I know how I like, was like, oh, we're gonna start here, and

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now I've completely diverted, and so I'm just gonna stay the, on this path with the

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mark and the heli of it all.

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You,

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it's in this episode that they have sex, right?

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It's the next one. See, that's the other thing about these two episodes that I thought

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was,

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stood out to me,

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especially when I think about last week, last week, it felt very much like isolated

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chapters of a book.

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These two episodes run, ran together for me,

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where it felt very much like

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not even a part one and a part two, but just a continuation of like, all these characters,

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a lot of the, these beats and just moving things forward,

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to a point where it's hard for me to remember what happened in one versus the other.

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So. Well, yeah. Well, let me, I'll jump in to, to help you out a little bit with

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that, because I, I, I do, I I, I do agree that this was a re sort of a reset of,

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of it all.

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especially, you know, before we even get to,

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with the reintroduction of

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heli back into, into the fold, we, you know, we do get,

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you know, we do get some answers

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from the prior episode and some of, you know, speculation as far as like

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what,

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you know, whether, you know, for example, was that

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retreat that they were on, was it in the inner world in, you know, on another floor

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in Lumen? Or was it actually like in the out outside and you, and we see, you know,

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it's been a, it's been a while since we've had,

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a situation where

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the

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Audi was given an explanation as far as like, what's going on? 'cause you know, mark

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just has a, you know, is a comment that, that, you know, he, you know, when Devin

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asked how, you know, how, or how, how the weekend, how the retreat went and stuff.

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And he's like, oh, well,

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you know, I, I was all wet.

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you know, 'cause I slipped off my rope. And so it was just like,

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so to your point about resetting things, it definitely, that was one of those, those

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devices that they used to help sort of reset everything. And then once I did, and

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then for me, once they did get into the,

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and, and, and, you know, into the, uh, back to Lumen

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and just the whole discussion that, um, you know, Helena had with, with

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Drummond and, and Natalie and them and her,

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you know, again,

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showing her disgust with the Nies, you know, and 'cause, you know, they called them

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animals and all that stuff. And, and, and you know, they, and Natalie's like, look,

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they're, he, mark, you know, we need you to go back in.

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And, and she wanted to go back in as, you know, and fake it. But,

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but, but because of all that, what's happened that is not, not, that's not an option.

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Now, she's gonna have to go back through,

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you know, become,

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have to go through, be severed

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employee, you know, Helly.

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And so to me that those were the elements of, of things

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that worked really well for me as far as just

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getting,

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sort of

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taking, you know, moving the story forward and stuff as far as like, okay, this has

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all happened. You know, Mark's 85% done. We're just so close. And, and I guess that's

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where like the Lexington Letters came in too, as far as like with, because with that

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letter it was, you know,

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also a special project

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that was being done called Lexington and that, so I started thinking about Cold Harbor

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and, you know, just getting us really focused back in on like,

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what, you know, some of these,

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the, the, the, the, any Audi dynamic and, you know, the larger story as far as like,

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you know, what's so special about Mark and, and why Mark is important. So to me,

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that's what really, I thought this episode did a good job of just sort of resetting

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some of those points.

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So to go back to Rek and Ms. Huang,

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so in this episode, they, uh, well, Dylan brings up, we want a funeral for Irving.

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Mm-hmm. And then later, as Rek is trying to comply, Ms. Swang says you shouldn't

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let them, she raises

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a question, you shouldn't let them have a funeral. It makes them feel like people.

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Mm-hmm.

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and, and then there's also, and then he corrects her about that being a statement

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that was unsolicited. And then she replies, your first performance review is today.

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Right. And that was a question. Yeah.

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so

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these scenes, why they stick out to me

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is mainly something that I brought up last week,

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because we are getting so much with the in and Audi dynamic,

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but

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I, I don't know if enough time is really being spent on

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who are,

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um, mil Check and Ms. Wong and Natalie,

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because

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they are,

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I don't,

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how do I put this?

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They are not severed

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right. From,

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we can tell, I mean, they,

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we've seen Mill Check at least on in the Audi world, and he's the same.

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Okay. We've seen him interact and we've also seen Natalie interact with people in

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Nty world very much the same,

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but

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there is something

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not normal about them.

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and I keep being fixated, like artificial intelligence is the one thing that comes

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to mind.

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and I don't know what that means because,

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or, or why,

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so it's just, it is just interesting to me that,

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I mean, we're talking about an episode called Trojan's Horse, where I feel like

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what, what the subtleness about those three characters throughout

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the seasons.

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It's like, there's, there's this other mystery that people, I don't, I don't know

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how much discussion has gone on about them because I don't look into it at all.

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trying to protect myself from Yeah. From,

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too much spiraling and too much loose ends, and also just stumbling upon spoilers

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that I did not want.

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Mainly that Yeah. It's, for me, that's the same. It's just, I don't wanna spoil.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do not wanna get spoiled, but I just, I, from, from the, the

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very few things that I have looked at, I don't know how much is,

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barely paid attention. And then the other thing that always has stood out to me,

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specifically with our conversation last week about Mil check is,

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him being a minority.

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Yeah. And then you also have Natalie as my, but don't forget, Ms. Wong is a minority

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as well, but there's also the fact that she's presented as a child

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Yeah.

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Is, which adds this other weirdness. And, and we learn that she's on a fellowship

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Yes. Of some sort, whatever that means.

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But the, it is just, it's just so interesting to me that those three ca, those three

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characters

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and

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I would hope that it was gly casting and just circumstance, but you just said it

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a few minutes ago, everything is done for a reason. Yeah.

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So I wonder if they were purposely casted as minorities

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To fit those specific roles

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just because of

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something they are trying to say with those, those three characters in particular

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who are clearly have quote unquote, freedom of some sort, because they can maneuver

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from the severed floor.

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Now, I know we haven't seen Ms. Wong outside of the severed floor, so let's move

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her aside, but those, except for last week. Yeah.

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yeah. So

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anyways, so those three characters outside of the severed floor, but they are also

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very much controlled.

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Yeah. Very controlled.

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yeah.

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Well, I think, you know, I think the, to miss,

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and, we'll,

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I don't wanna jump to ahead to the next episode because I,

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to the performance review with, with Milick,

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because I did, especially when,

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you know, we saw that dynamic between the, the two of them with Ms. Wong and, and

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Mil Chik as they were preparing to for the funeral. But, you know, whenever, go back

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to, you know, first to your point,

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what we discussed with

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Natalie

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and their

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interactions, because like last week,

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you know, when Natalie presented him the, the, the,

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the paintings, you know, she, she was very, very animated for Natalie. You know,

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she

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was really, you know, she, she wanted to know how he was, she, she smiled, you know,

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this time right before he went into the perform performance review was very cold,

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very business-like.

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and, you know, and, and, and he was asking a question, and I was like, to your, you

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know, as you were bringing up the,

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about being minorities, it, it seemed like it was on the tip of his tongue

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whenever he was like asking her,

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you know, how did you know whenever,

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when he reacts to, when he act, when when Seth asked Natalie, how did you feel when

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you received those paintings? And, and she just, you know, whereas before she was

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very open

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this week, she was very like, cold and business-like, and withdrawn. And, you know,

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and, and to your point about the control, I mean, that's, I think that's part of

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it. You know, there're big open space. They're in the lobby,

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and,

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that was one aspect of it. Go ahead. Yeah.

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I didn't view her as any different between those two scenes.

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Oh, it's,

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yeah,

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I did notice when he raised it raised the question

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I'd her reaction. Yeah. There, there was almost like, like you were saying, he, he

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was, it

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was on the tip of his tongue. Well, I think a tear

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was on the tip of her eyeball.

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So, but I,

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there, there's something about the way Natalie

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or the performance that,

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the actress is doing a phenomenal job.

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it always, it feels like she's tethered in some way to that, that intercom with the

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board.

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Yeah. Where, and that's why,

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that's why a rek couldn't like really say exactly what he wanted to and ask that

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question out loud.

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And, and, because she's also trying to tell him like, they're gonna hear it,

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or, or, or something like, you can't say it, and I can't say what I'm thinking, so,

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so I'm just going to smile. But it's gonna be more of a sad smile. So Yeah.

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the, that was the difference of performance that I noticed overall. I thought it

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was,

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in both ways. It very much feels like,

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and arguably she's more tethered than Mil check is, and that's what we kind of learn

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with the performance review.

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Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. And I think the performance review too, I think it like

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Yeah. You know, I did think about, you know, the things that they pointed out

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used too many big words, and then, you

483
00:27:21,650 --> 00:27:21,730
know,

484
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:23,850
we have to talk about that.

485
00:27:24,490 --> 00:27:24,770
Yeah.

486
00:27:25,300 --> 00:27:26,440
That, because

487
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:31,210
I'm so glad you started with that. Personally. I wanted to talk about the paperclips,

488
00:27:31,210 --> 00:27:32,290
but still

489
00:27:32,940 --> 00:27:37,800
oh, yeah. I'm gonna get to the paperclips too. Yeah. The, the, the use of, of big

490
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,890
words, which I rem I am,

491
00:27:41,670 --> 00:27:48,900
it was, it like, it's a sign of a good show because he, he says that line to Ms.

492
00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:53,820
Swang about childish things. And I wrote it down, and I was even thinking, I was

493
00:27:53,820 --> 00:27:59,280
like, oh my God, this man, he, he must be looking at his dictionary and the forests

494
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,320
all the time, like, he is so well read.

495
00:28:02,890 --> 00:28:08,500
And, and then they bring it up. And it's such a microaggression too, on top of that.

496
00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:11,310
Like, like it's just, it's so, but

497
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,600
what really got me was the

498
00:28:16,350 --> 00:28:19,770
h when he went to the mirror and said the line,

499
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:27,630
and then quickly adjusted and adjusted, because it, it felt like, and I haven't wa

500
00:28:27,690 --> 00:28:29,580
I never finished this show.

501
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:34,770
I only remember watching like the first one or two seasons of it, but Westworld

502
00:28:34,770 --> 00:28:36,900
Mm. It felt like

503
00:28:37,740 --> 00:28:42,990
a robot towards the end, especially with their repetition of grow, grow, grow

504
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,260
a robot that was malfunctioning.

505
00:28:46,260 --> 00:28:46,480
And

506
00:28:47,420 --> 00:28:55,130
it, it was, and it, and it's almost also to an extent, felt like it was a, a scene

507
00:28:55,130 --> 00:28:56,450
from a horror movie.

508
00:28:56,450 --> 00:28:59,00
yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Definitely.

509
00:28:59,00 --> 00:29:03,410
I completely agree. I will expand on a little bit more when we get to episode six.

510
00:29:03,410 --> 00:29:07,700
But I, you know, but thinking about this to performance review itself, because there

511
00:29:07,700 --> 00:29:10,220
was this, you know, the microaggressions that were there,

512
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:11,60
with,

513
00:29:11,690 --> 00:29:13,100
and then the other thing

514
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,730
with, you know, that confidence that he had going in,

515
00:29:17,330 --> 00:29:18,140
and

516
00:29:18,140 --> 00:29:20,750
I don't know if it was confidence, but, you know, he, you know, but you know, the

517
00:29:20,750 --> 00:29:21,800
thing about Milick,

518
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,330
he, you know, he took Harmony's place.

519
00:29:24,850 --> 00:29:26,430
Mm-hmm. And,

520
00:29:27,60 --> 00:29:27,780
and,

521
00:29:28,290 --> 00:29:32,520
and I think the third element of what they were talking about with the review,

522
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:33,810
especially when,

523
00:29:33,810 --> 00:29:35,220
you know, they raised the point like,

524
00:29:35,850 --> 00:29:39,150
you, you are here to accomplish this great thing,

525
00:29:39,150 --> 00:29:39,540
with,

526
00:29:40,410 --> 00:29:41,40
with the,

527
00:29:41,610 --> 00:29:42,480
cold Harbor.

528
00:29:43,230 --> 00:29:44,70
you know, I I,

529
00:29:44,70 --> 00:29:46,260
it was, it, it seems like

530
00:29:46,260 --> 00:29:49,710
it's the, the cult of, of the cult of Lumen,

531
00:29:49,710 --> 00:29:51,570
and the cult of care in particular.

532
00:29:52,80 --> 00:29:57,60
you know, when you, it is just, it just permeates, permeates around this whole thing.

533
00:29:57,60 --> 00:30:01,710
I mean, even thinking back to like, you see it there with the performance review.

534
00:30:01,860 --> 00:30:06,600
You think, you see it also there with the discussion between Helena and, and Drummond

535
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,320
at the beginning there, whenever they told her she had to go back and, you know,

536
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:15,330
it was like, father wants this. And so, you know, he said, drummer says that to Helena.

537
00:30:15,660 --> 00:30:19,680
And you know, when he says it, is it the father, meaning like father in the sense

538
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,850
of like biological father or father and the father of this, you know, the cultish

539
00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:26,820
cult of personality that is built up around

540
00:30:27,420 --> 00:30:27,720
Yeah.

541
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:28,650
Kiir. Yeah. Kiir, yeah.

542
00:30:28,650 --> 00:30:29,100
Kiir. Yeah. Excuse me.

543
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:29,340
Yeah.

544
00:30:29,340 --> 00:30:30,280
Yeah. Well, I, I,

545
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:31,180
I think with her,

546
00:30:31,180 --> 00:30:31,900
her father,

547
00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:35,770
yeah. But, but also I was just thinking, but, but lemme finish where I was going

548
00:30:35,770 --> 00:30:40,390
with that was, but it, whenever he also says father, so I was just thinking the other

549
00:30:40,390 --> 00:30:42,430
point is, well, maybe they're, maybe they're siblings,

550
00:30:42,430 --> 00:30:44,800
but I mean, it could be interpreted either way.

551
00:30:45,620 --> 00:30:45,910
Yeah,

552
00:30:45,910 --> 00:30:45,970
yeah.

553
00:30:48,50 --> 00:30:49,280
I just, the,

554
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:50,30
um,

555
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,720
the paperclips you wanted to talk about the paperclips? Oh,

556
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,250
no, it was just, I mean, well, we were wrapping up this beat.

557
00:30:56,250 --> 00:30:56,470
No,

558
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:58,30
I mean, other, I mean, it was just,

559
00:30:58,30 --> 00:30:58,990
again, just a,

560
00:30:58,990 --> 00:31:00,670
but again, another microaggression and

561
00:31:00,670 --> 00:31:01,930
just a weird thing that they,

562
00:31:02,620 --> 00:31:03,280
that,

563
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,610
they brought up. I, I had another thought, but I, I've lost it so we can move on.

564
00:31:07,80 --> 00:31:09,930
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Talk about the note.

565
00:31:09,930 --> 00:31:10,770
Oh, I think, yeah, well just,

566
00:31:11,490 --> 00:31:15,60
no, I was gonna say, well, I mean this, I mean, just the whole framing of, I mean,

567
00:31:15,60 --> 00:31:16,980
I guess to pick up Milick and,

568
00:31:17,550 --> 00:31:23,130
and, and Ms. Wong as far as just the whole conversation about, you know, not being

569
00:31:23,130 --> 00:31:26,610
nice to them. And, and that was the other thing too, I guess with the performance

570
00:31:26,610 --> 00:31:28,560
review. 'cause you know, it was,

571
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,380
you know, I came out of it. He's like, okay, I gotta start brain pull, pull, pulling

572
00:31:34,380 --> 00:31:38,580
it in and stuff. And, and it'd be more tougher with tougher with these, these folks,

573
00:31:38,580 --> 00:31:41,850
even to the point where he like, you know, shut Milick, shut it down whenever she

574
00:31:41,850 --> 00:31:44,220
was gonna try to sing her song, which I'm glad he did,

575
00:31:44,220 --> 00:31:44,700
but,

576
00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:49,20
but it was just the, the, the weirdness, I guess the thing with that scene in particular

577
00:31:49,410 --> 00:31:54,180
that just stood out to me was just like the, the weirdness of the, the, the head

578
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:55,680
of, of Irving

579
00:31:56,190 --> 00:31:57,150
with the Malaysian,

580
00:31:57,150 --> 00:31:58,290
black melon.

581
00:31:59,820 --> 00:32:01,980
I guess the whole like, metaphor of just like,

582
00:32:02,730 --> 00:32:06,30
the company just eating you literally, you know, they would,

583
00:32:07,20 --> 00:32:09,690
I guess it just like, worked with me on several creepy levels like

584
00:32:09,690 --> 00:32:10,760
that is creepy.

585
00:32:11,540 --> 00:32:14,840
My mind did not go there at all. But that is pretty creepy.

586
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:15,950
So what about the note?

587
00:32:16,730 --> 00:32:18,270
Oh, I mean, just basically,

588
00:32:18,270 --> 00:32:20,130
Irving, like, put it together. What,

589
00:32:20,130 --> 00:32:20,640
what,

590
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:21,810
with the hang in there with,

591
00:32:21,810 --> 00:32:22,20
when,

592
00:32:22,20 --> 00:32:23,250
when Irv when

593
00:32:23,250 --> 00:32:25,590
Dylan put it together, that what Irving was trying to tell him,

594
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:28,20
and, you know, at least leads to the, you know, directions

595
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:29,280
to the,

596
00:32:29,820 --> 00:32:30,660
export floor.

597
00:32:32,220 --> 00:32:32,730
Okay.

598
00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:33,540
Yeah.

599
00:32:33,540 --> 00:32:36,60
Because I mean, you know, that was the picture on the front side, and then on the

600
00:32:36,60 --> 00:32:38,760
backside it had all, all all the things. So, yeah. Yeah,

601
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,700
Yeah. Why do you think Dylan put it back?

602
00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:43,680
Oh, I, I think, you know,

603
00:32:44,190 --> 00:32:47,130
'cause he doesn't want, at the end of the day, Dylan didn't wanna lose his privileges.

604
00:32:47,130 --> 00:32:50,760
He doesn't wanna lose, you know, you know, because if he, if I think there were,

605
00:32:50,790 --> 00:32:53,160
I think that's one element of it, I think,

606
00:32:53,970 --> 00:32:56,370
yeah. 'cause I, I think, you know, he, he, he's really

607
00:32:57,330 --> 00:33:01,170
enjoy, you know, from what he is learned that we, you know, that we learned from,

608
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,00
from Gretchen as far

609
00:33:03,00 --> 00:33:03,540
and the,

610
00:33:04,260 --> 00:33:10,470
life that his Audi has. And, and any Dylan is very, very happy and content with,

611
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:12,600
with what he's got going on with Gretchen, with the,

612
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:13,800
with the visitation floor

613
00:33:14,340 --> 00:33:19,290
that has turned into conjugal visits. Yeah. Yeah. So, I, I, I,

614
00:33:19,290 --> 00:33:21,90
I don't think he wants to put that at risk. So,

615
00:33:21,660 --> 00:33:25,830
you know, if you, going back to the first season, if, if you like, have any like,

616
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:27,180
kind of contraband or stuff,

617
00:33:27,180 --> 00:33:29,70
on the separate floor that may

618
00:33:29,580 --> 00:33:32,250
be construed as an attempt to reach out to the Audis,

619
00:33:32,250 --> 00:33:32,610
you know,

620
00:33:32,610 --> 00:33:35,190
punishment will happen. So I think that's where that's coming from.

621
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:37,650
What about you? So the conjugal visit,

622
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:38,550
well,

623
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,200
you want you, you wanna switch over to episode six nine?

624
00:33:42,860 --> 00:33:45,170
Oh, we, we've already switched over. I know we talked

625
00:33:45,860 --> 00:33:49,940
about, but officially, do we wanna, I mean, anything else about episode five before

626
00:33:49,940 --> 00:33:53,490
we look? Oh, I'm sure we'll go back to episode five. Yeah. But

627
00:33:53,490 --> 00:33:56,490
like, so, so with Dylan and Gretchen,

628
00:33:57,90 --> 00:33:59,850
they're, they escalated very quickly,

629
00:34:00,420 --> 00:34:02,220
from a kiss to,

630
00:34:02,220 --> 00:34:07,380
it's, it is implied now. Is it implied that they had sex or just

631
00:34:08,130 --> 00:34:08,850
make out?

632
00:34:08,850 --> 00:34:09,330
I

633
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:10,750
I think they made out,

634
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:12,700
I think they made out Okay.

635
00:34:12,700 --> 00:34:15,490
Oh, actually, actually, now that I think about it, I think they had sex.

636
00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:19,780
Yeah. Because they, the editing was on point

637
00:34:20,590 --> 00:34:22,630
To, with the mishmash between them

638
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,550
and Mark and Heli who we know had sex. Oh, yeah,

639
00:34:27,550 --> 00:34:31,950
yeah, yeah. Definitely. Which, which all this really leads me to think about and

640
00:34:31,950 --> 00:34:34,950
question is, okay, so

641
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:37,710
what are the chances that heli is pregnant?

642
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:43,80
Oh, twice now, very, especially the comment later in the episode with the Right,

643
00:34:43,80 --> 00:34:43,920
right. With bills.

644
00:34:44,670 --> 00:34:44,960
Yeah.

645
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,430
to your point, like

646
00:34:46,940 --> 00:34:53,540
of course, that would be good storytelling because he also had sex with Helena. And

647
00:34:53,540 --> 00:34:58,820
then, so then if she, if they do make her pregnant, then the question is like,

648
00:34:59,810 --> 00:35:05,210
that mom responsibility, which leads to this whole other dynamic that we have not

649
00:35:05,210 --> 00:35:12,500
touched on at all. Like, like in terms of, I mean, you already have Hela heli talk

650
00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:19,880
about the fact like, this woman used me, used my body to spy on my friends

651
00:35:20,420 --> 00:35:25,130
and like, dress me and present me and like, I'm a puppet.

652
00:35:25,790 --> 00:35:25,910
Yep.

653
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:30,410
And, and you, you raised something about Helena that,

654
00:35:30,410 --> 00:35:34,100
I don't know why I always defend the bad characters, but

655
00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:38,450
because you talked about like her comment, fucking animals

656
00:35:38,450 --> 00:35:39,620
You have to keep in mind

657
00:35:40,580 --> 00:35:45,800
Yeah. Though, if I was Helena, I would probably feel the same way about the s considering

658
00:35:46,370 --> 00:35:48,50
my Annie tried to kill herself.

659
00:35:48,50 --> 00:35:48,560
Mm-hmm.

660
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,90
Iiv, IE

661
00:35:50,90 --> 00:35:54,140
tried to kill me in there, and then also they just

662
00:35:54,140 --> 00:35:55,370
tried to kill me.

663
00:35:55,370 --> 00:35:55,700
Yes. So

664
00:35:55,700 --> 00:35:56,900
I think it's warranted

665
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:57,940
Theron.

666
00:35:57,940 --> 00:35:58,320
Oh, yeah.

667
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:58,610
it's

668
00:35:59,300 --> 00:36:01,660
Very fair. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But,

669
00:36:01,660 --> 00:36:02,740
it's also

670
00:36:03,610 --> 00:36:08,800
very layered because on top of that, there's also well marks in any,

671
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:12,820
the mark that you had sex with willingly

672
00:36:13,660 --> 00:36:19,810
Is, is an any, and you knew that going down there. And so, so, and then, you know,

673
00:36:19,810 --> 00:36:23,980
it, walking into this chi random Chinese place

674
00:36:24,490 --> 00:36:26,830
and having a conversation,

675
00:36:26,830 --> 00:36:30,370
which I, I really, I did like that scene.

676
00:36:30,910 --> 00:36:36,430
I did like it. I did like it. Yeah. Yeah. I, I liked it because it,

677
00:36:36,430 --> 00:36:43,120
there, there was a lot more subtleness into things that were not said and what was

678
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:43,750
said

679
00:36:44,260 --> 00:36:48,310
versus, or versus what was said. And, um,

680
00:36:49,30 --> 00:36:50,620
and it, like,

681
00:36:51,160 --> 00:37:00,40
both of these characters are so multi-layer that, that it's like, and, and by multi-layer,

682
00:37:00,70 --> 00:37:06,40
I, I, I guess maybe that's the wrong articulation, because with this show and these

683
00:37:06,40 --> 00:37:08,740
characters, it's actually,

684
00:37:08,740 --> 00:37:10,480
oh my God, I just lost my thought.

685
00:37:11,20 --> 00:37:16,270
it's actually more of a sense of the motivational differences

686
00:37:16,270 --> 00:37:20,980
Or the, the contradicting motivations at play with these characters.

687
00:37:21,580 --> 00:37:28,150
That's what's really fascinating, because you have, you have the interest in love

688
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:28,930
and connection

689
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:36,250
But you also have the interest in I am a person mm-hmm. As an nanny.

690
00:37:36,370 --> 00:37:38,770
I am a person as an Audi,

691
00:37:39,340 --> 00:37:43,660
and, and then you have these v like

692
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:49,630
all of this other shit. I mean, with Helena and her father and Mark with his wife,

693
00:37:49,630 --> 00:37:52,270
his dead wife, or a alive wife, who knows

694
00:37:52,270 --> 00:37:53,50
Yeah. Where she's,

695
00:37:53,950 --> 00:37:55,90
that's the thing too.

696
00:37:55,90 --> 00:37:55,600
you know,

697
00:37:56,260 --> 00:38:00,700
with, with that, because, you know, I think thinking back to the fifth episode with,

698
00:38:00,700 --> 00:38:05,320
with, you know, when Mil check confronted Mark with, you know, you,

699
00:38:05,860 --> 00:38:07,270
you fucked her, you know?

700
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:07,770
And, and,

701
00:38:08,430 --> 00:38:10,440
and, and then

702
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,630
it's, it's like

703
00:38:13,620 --> 00:38:17,370
all these, to your point about motivations and stuff, because you know,

704
00:38:17,370 --> 00:38:22,80
Mo, you know, the reason why a lot of these folks have, you know, we, we, we with

705
00:38:22,80 --> 00:38:27,90
them mean we've seen it. I mean, the, the motivations for the Audi to like even go

706
00:38:27,90 --> 00:38:30,480
through this severe procedure is because they're trying to escape some kind of pain,

707
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:32,850
you know, mark with his wife,

708
00:38:32,850 --> 00:38:34,770
Dylan, because he's,

709
00:38:34,770 --> 00:38:39,690
you know, he's an he, he, he, he, he, he's always looking for something, but he's

710
00:38:39,690 --> 00:38:41,40
just, you know, he comes short.

711
00:38:41,40 --> 00:38:45,390
Well, it's how he got a job. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Phil, I guess the fillings of

712
00:38:45,420 --> 00:38:48,780
inadequacy and, you know, because he's just Phil, you know, and, and other things

713
00:38:48,780 --> 00:38:49,650
like that. And then

714
00:38:49,650 --> 00:38:50,820
You know, Irving,

715
00:38:50,820 --> 00:38:53,100
I mean, it seems multilayer with Irving at this point.

716
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:56,670
but I think part of it is, I think, you know,

717
00:38:57,270 --> 00:39:01,890
he's onto something as far as like, you know, when we, you know, whenever Drummond

718
00:39:01,890 --> 00:39:06,210
breaks into his apartment and like, you know, finds the list of names and he sees

719
00:39:06,210 --> 00:39:06,600
Bert,

720
00:39:07,380 --> 00:39:08,70
so I have a question.

721
00:39:08,670 --> 00:39:08,910
Yeah.

722
00:39:08,910 --> 00:39:10,350
When was Mark severed?

723
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:12,00
Was it before or

724
00:39:12,00 --> 00:39:13,860
after the death of Gemma?

725
00:39:14,460 --> 00:39:17,70
After the death of Gemma. And we know that for sure.

726
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:21,960
Yeah. Because that, remember he had, he had the conversation with his sister

727
00:39:22,590 --> 00:39:26,400
about the grief and the loss and stuff, so that it wasn't, well, you, it

728
00:39:26,980 --> 00:39:27,360
was a result. Yeah.

729
00:39:27,870 --> 00:39:32,310
you watched the first season more recently than I did. So, yeah. So that's why I

730
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:38,40
just ask and wanna make sure that that is a known thing and not something we've told

731
00:39:38,40 --> 00:39:39,610
ourselves. No, no,

732
00:39:39,610 --> 00:39:42,780
It's another thing. Yeah. Okay. It's, yeah. Yeah. Okay.

733
00:39:42,780 --> 00:39:43,50
so that was,

734
00:39:43,50 --> 00:39:49,990
Yeah. I, you know, I'm glad you brought up that scene where Rek was,

735
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:54,760
be because he was told during his performance review, like it's time to go back to

736
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,430
the basics to remember these severed employees,

737
00:39:57,430 --> 00:40:03,790
their true purpose and treat them as they really are. And then that leads to Seth,

738
00:40:03,790 --> 00:40:06,130
basically calling Mark out and,

739
00:40:06,130 --> 00:40:09,730
which is kind of also a human way to treat Mark and be like, you're, you're being

740
00:40:09,730 --> 00:40:10,930
a complete asshole right now.

741
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,830
you need to tell that woman that you, you slept with her

742
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:17,820
and

743
00:40:18,330 --> 00:40:22,470
IE just realized like the her was not the her.

744
00:40:24,250 --> 00:40:25,80
Yeah. So,

745
00:40:25,80 --> 00:40:26,40
you gotta do that.

746
00:40:26,40 --> 00:40:26,610
but

747
00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:28,710
my question,

748
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:31,170
and what I wanna explore about that scene

749
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,550
and talk a little bit more about Mil Check is,

750
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:41,190
so he goes from the performance review, all of the microaggressions that we talked

751
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:41,640
about.

752
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:46,400
All of the, and remember like, here's your carrot, you're gonna be a part of the

753
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:47,180
success.

754
00:40:47,180 --> 00:40:52,970
You have, but you have to like, treat these non humans. So I guess my overall question

755
00:40:52,970 --> 00:40:53,630
is

756
00:40:53,630 --> 00:40:55,310
why do you think

757
00:40:55,310 --> 00:40:57,830
he, he in particular Mil check

758
00:40:57,830 --> 00:41:02,270
Ha has kind of subtly been leading this reform

759
00:41:02,930 --> 00:41:05,570
on the severed severed floor.

760
00:41:05,570 --> 00:41:10,820
So, and this is where I think I'm glad I went down the, well, I'm, this is gonna

761
00:41:10,820 --> 00:41:14,540
get into Theory Spiral here, and it's just like fresh because it's, I Yeah. And it's

762
00:41:14,540 --> 00:41:18,230
fresh because, you know, this is where I'm glad I did find that Lexington letter.

763
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:20,690
So the Lexington letter,

764
00:41:20,690 --> 00:41:24,110
it was whenever, try when, when the any,

765
00:41:24,110 --> 00:41:25,580
Pam was, Peggy was

766
00:41:26,90 --> 00:41:29,450
sharing the, she, she shared the letters with the reporter, with the,

767
00:41:29,450 --> 00:41:32,150
with the Topeka Star, I think was the name of the paper.

768
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:32,600
And

769
00:41:33,290 --> 00:41:33,830
the,

770
00:41:34,450 --> 00:41:38,300
you know, the emails is always Jim m as far as who was the editor

771
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:39,530
of the,

772
00:41:39,530 --> 00:41:39,980
paper.

773
00:41:40,490 --> 00:41:42,620
and we learned in that letter that the,

774
00:41:42,620 --> 00:41:45,890
Jim m is Jim Milick.

775
00:41:45,890 --> 00:41:51,440
So I don't know if it's a coincidence that, you know, this person who is, you know,

776
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,510
there's sharing information about the severed

777
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:55,970
floor and things that are happening there in Lumen

778
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,980
and Seth Milick have, you know, they have the same surname. Is it coincidence, maybe

779
00:42:00,980 --> 00:42:05,300
if not, you know, but also, but just given how Milick has been like treating these

780
00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:10,100
folks, you know, is he going to like, help lead the revolution? Especially whenever

781
00:42:10,100 --> 00:42:14,510
we, you know, we didn't talk about, we, we touched on a little bit with,

782
00:42:14,510 --> 00:42:14,690
the,

783
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:15,510
with,

784
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:17,640
Devin's husband writing the,

785
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,500
He's, he's writing a novel with Natalie, you know, with Natalie and stuff.

786
00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:23,590
but you know, but he, you know, but you know, before it looked like he was gonna

787
00:42:23,590 --> 00:42:23,830
like,

788
00:42:24,460 --> 00:42:24,820
carry,

789
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,800
he was going to bring things down, but now he's really getting into, you know, you

790
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:29,980
know,

791
00:42:30,490 --> 00:42:33,940
Devin calls him out because he's just like parroting the company line.

792
00:42:33,940 --> 00:42:37,820
whereas before he was like, very revolutionary. I'm wondering if Yeah. You're talking

793
00:42:37,820 --> 00:42:42,550
about Ricken? Yeah, yeah. Rick Ricken. Yeah. Now I'm wondering, like, okay. Was,

794
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,170
you know, was Milick like

795
00:42:44,170 --> 00:42:45,520
possibly,

796
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,400
you know, sleeper agent in there too? Just trying to like,

797
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,750
you know, expose these things. 'cause like you said, I mean, w what we know as, as

798
00:42:52,750 --> 00:42:55,120
far as we know, he's, he's not a separate person.

799
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:55,690
so,

800
00:42:57,190 --> 00:43:01,420
and it's almost like, I wanna say he's not, not severed.

801
00:43:01,930 --> 00:43:02,530
Right? Yeah.

802
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,840
Like, there, there is something, because I don't know if he's human either.

803
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,240
Yeah. Well, like they, there, there is something, and

804
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:18,100
I mean, from what I vaguely recall, and you can correct me if I'm way off point with

805
00:43:18,100 --> 00:43:20,710
this, but his presence in season one,

806
00:43:21,460 --> 00:43:27,340
he also wasn't, he was, he's definitely a company man. Yeah. But

807
00:43:27,340 --> 00:43:35,470
like, he, he does clearly have, whether it be an affection for the, this particular,

808
00:43:35,470 --> 00:43:41,920
the MD department or for Anys as a whole has yet to be seen. Right.

809
00:43:42,700 --> 00:43:49,270
but I just, I wonder because my, my lack of knowledge about the information that

810
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:53,50
you just shared, but my, my mind goes to,

811
00:43:53,50 --> 00:43:55,600
well, what's the difference between him and Cobel?

812
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,960
Because with Cobel there was,

813
00:43:59,80 --> 00:44:04,30
there was much more of an obsession with Mark. We know that. Yeah. Yeah. But at a

814
00:44:04,30 --> 00:44:08,80
fixation and some very strange fixation there.

815
00:44:08,80 --> 00:44:10,330
But there's also,

816
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:12,730
oh, are, are they kind of,

817
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:18,910
how do I put this? Are they kind of also showing with the different supervisors we've

818
00:44:18,910 --> 00:44:25,150
seen now we've had experience with two, and now even Ms. Huang, and it'll be interesting

819
00:44:25,150 --> 00:44:28,840
to see where her character goes with this affection towards,

820
00:44:29,950 --> 00:44:37,450
The more time you spend on the severed floor, the more your own reality also warps.

821
00:44:37,930 --> 00:44:38,380
Like,

822
00:44:38,980 --> 00:44:45,700
because you're, you're in the office with them for X amount of hours of a day.

823
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:49,600
so to like, at what point it's like, oh,

824
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:50,80
that

825
00:44:50,740 --> 00:44:55,250
they're, they're meant for this. Like, they're not your normal coworker.

826
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:59,510
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think a couple things. I mean, I think getting back, you

827
00:44:59,510 --> 00:45:01,580
know, thinking about the performance review, you

828
00:45:02,110 --> 00:45:02,750
know, what,

829
00:45:03,250 --> 00:45:07,110
you know, Seth, you know, since Seth ascended to the leader of the floor of the

830
00:45:07,940 --> 00:45:08,600
floor,

831
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:08,810
because

832
00:45:09,380 --> 00:45:09,920
he,

833
00:45:10,820 --> 00:45:13,550
you know, two year, I'm glad you brought up the affection from the first season.

834
00:45:13,580 --> 00:45:17,210
'cause he did. He, he, he was, I mean, they had, you know, they had, I remember watching,

835
00:45:17,210 --> 00:45:21,680
like, they had a celebration party and a dance, you know mm-hmm. Part dance and all

836
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:27,440
that kind of stuff. And, and, and, and, and it was it a more affectionate treatment

837
00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:28,100
of the,

838
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:32,480
like you with, with these four SI mean, and, and like you said, it could extend to

839
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,430
all Nies, but in particular these four.

840
00:45:34,970 --> 00:45:39,290
Um, 'cause even whenever, you know, because even like the beginning of this season,

841
00:45:39,290 --> 00:45:40,520
when they

842
00:45:41,90 --> 00:45:43,250
brought in the other other group,

843
00:45:43,970 --> 00:45:44,870
you know, Seth

844
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:45,620
really, you know,

845
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,80
in some ways advocated

846
00:45:48,860 --> 00:45:49,550
for,

847
00:45:49,550 --> 00:45:50,960
he didn't push back whenever

848
00:45:51,770 --> 00:45:52,70
they

849
00:45:52,700 --> 00:45:53,900
Mark made the demand.

850
00:45:54,530 --> 00:45:59,450
Oh, no. He, he definitely was just like, yeah, they're replaceable. Yeah. Yeah. And,

851
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:00,680
and he, you know, whereas,

852
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:05,450
harmony would've pushed back, you know, and we saw, you know, she where, so I think

853
00:46:05,450 --> 00:46:05,810
it's,

854
00:46:06,740 --> 00:46:09,830
you know, so he was soft, softer towards them.

855
00:46:10,970 --> 00:46:11,600
and I think,

856
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,740
you know, especially, and, and so, so whenever he tells Ms. Wong that he's gonna

857
00:46:15,740 --> 00:46:18,980
have to pull the reins in, and then, you know, and they also like, you know, himself

858
00:46:18,980 --> 00:46:21,380
because he figures out he, she, she, that she

859
00:46:21,380 --> 00:46:26,420
was the one on the floor who basically like, you know, let the board know and what,

860
00:46:26,450 --> 00:46:31,580
what's, what's going on as far as being a, a Flo spy? Oh yeah. There's another Trojan

861
00:46:31,580 --> 00:46:37,850
horse. It's just like with his interactions with Natalie. Yeah. Like Seth, Seth never

862
00:46:37,850 --> 00:46:42,380
has an interaction that isn't gonna be scrutinized by management.

863
00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:43,220
Yeah.

864
00:46:44,90 --> 00:46:47,40
So I, I say all that to, to, to like,

865
00:46:47,40 --> 00:46:51,30
you know, it, it really does, it really does bring into question a lot of what, what

866
00:46:51,30 --> 00:46:52,950
are, what are his motivations. Mm-hmm. And,

867
00:46:53,460 --> 00:46:58,110
and, you know, and then, you know, and as he, as you brought up earlier about him,

868
00:46:58,140 --> 00:47:01,800
you know, with the grow, and he's, he, you know, that that scene where he's

869
00:47:02,730 --> 00:47:05,970
reeducated himself, and now I can bring up the paperclips while I was thinking about

870
00:47:06,330 --> 00:47:10,440
just the meticulous level to the point where his hands were like shaking because

871
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:10,460
Yeah,

872
00:47:11,100 --> 00:47:17,280
yeah. Of, of trying to get the corrective action. Um, it was just all the, it was

873
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:18,420
just, it was just

874
00:47:19,20 --> 00:47:22,530
gut wrenching for me watching that as far as just seeing how,

875
00:47:22,530 --> 00:47:22,680
you know,

876
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,260
getting into some of the larger things as far as company and,

877
00:47:26,10 --> 00:47:26,490
and, and, and

878
00:47:27,170 --> 00:47:27,840
perfection.

879
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,100
Perfection. Yeah. Yeah. It

880
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,690
was, it's just so many levels to that. And then as far as like the, like you said

881
00:47:33,690 --> 00:47:38,470
earlier in the episode tonight, grow, the, grow, grow, grow, I mean, it, it was just

882
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:40,150
it. Yeah. I mean, that was, to me, those

883
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:41,340
that,

884
00:47:41,850 --> 00:47:45,480
and, and, we'll, I know we'll talk about here, maybe get, we'll get here in a moment.

885
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,900
Bert and Irving's dinner, or the things that really stood out, and

886
00:47:49,650 --> 00:47:50,880
also to,

887
00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:52,530
when,

888
00:47:52,530 --> 00:47:55,110
heli had that moment on the hall,

889
00:47:55,110 --> 00:48:02,790
after she learned that she and Mark, well, Helena and Mark had sex and, and, and

890
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:05,670
really gets to, you know, and, and she lost that moment,

891
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:09,30
and, and wanted to have that moment. Those, those were the things that really stood

892
00:48:09,30 --> 00:48:10,170
out to me in these episodes.

893
00:48:10,770 --> 00:48:14,160
Yeah. Yeah. I, I liked how she put that, like, yeah,

894
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:15,270
I want my moment.

895
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:16,140
And well,

896
00:48:16,650 --> 00:48:21,870
she didn't realize it, but her moment was also on a ticking time bomb. Considering

897
00:48:21,870 --> 00:48:23,430
throughout these two episodes,

898
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:27,540
I, I kinda laugh because the way we were talking about it last week, we thought in

899
00:48:28,20 --> 00:48:30,60
reintegration would be instant, no,

900
00:48:31,50 --> 00:48:31,500
no, no, no.

901
00:48:32,130 --> 00:48:36,120
Trying process. So we have yet to fully,

902
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:41,10
see re or meet reintegrated Mark, whatever that means.

903
00:48:41,10 --> 00:48:41,370
but

904
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,550
we, we definitely are seeing the,

905
00:48:44,550 --> 00:48:46,470
physical manifestations,

906
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:46,920
that are,

907
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:53,550
very concerning, very zombie-like very undead like behavior with the hunger and the

908
00:48:53,550 --> 00:48:54,390
bleeding.

909
00:48:55,80 --> 00:49:00,120
and, and also just, I mean, which makes sense considering the medical

910
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:05,160
procedure that we witnessed, and I'm just thinking the whole time, that's not sanitary

911
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:06,570
at all, like of course. No, I know.

912
00:49:06,570 --> 00:49:10,490
Like get some kind of weird infection, like Jesus Christ. Yeah. Well, we do it here.

913
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:11,530
That to you. Yeah.

914
00:49:11,530 --> 00:49:15,10
yeah. I that to you. Yeah. Yeah. But also to think, yeah, go ahead.

915
00:49:15,10 --> 00:49:19,270
Oh, I was just gonna, I, you, you should probably finish your thought because I was

916
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:22,990
gonna go to a whole different point, but yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Just I was gonna,

917
00:49:22,990 --> 00:49:25,750
I'll just talk about the re inter integration and,

918
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:27,730
you know, just the, the coughing throughout.

919
00:49:27,730 --> 00:49:31,510
and I remember the sicks that that PD had in the first season.

920
00:49:32,80 --> 00:49:36,460
and we're seeing that reintegration, you know, coming through at Mark. And then also

921
00:49:36,460 --> 00:49:36,830
the, the, the,

922
00:49:37,340 --> 00:49:38,940
the, the, the, the, the, the,

923
00:49:39,650 --> 00:49:42,620
I know you, I don't know if you've watched opening credits, and I brought up a few

924
00:49:42,620 --> 00:49:44,420
weeks a few episodes ago,

925
00:49:45,380 --> 00:49:48,950
but just seeing, you know, for me it's like now having some of the payoffs of some

926
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:49,310
of the

927
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:53,120
things that are in that opening credits, like the weird funky

928
00:49:53,660 --> 00:49:53,900
egg,

929
00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:59,150
I guess egg drop soup looking concoction that Mark's drinking. I don't know what

930
00:49:59,150 --> 00:50:01,130
it is, but it's pretty gross in the pills

931
00:50:01,670 --> 00:50:03,380
that he is taken as far as just,

932
00:50:03,950 --> 00:50:04,850
you know, as,

933
00:50:04,850 --> 00:50:07,250
with the re-integration. And,

934
00:50:07,250 --> 00:50:08,940
and then also at the, with the funeral,

935
00:50:08,940 --> 00:50:11,880
earlier, I meant that was the other thing I was gonna bring up with the, the mugs,

936
00:50:12,570 --> 00:50:13,950
seeing the payoff with the mug,

937
00:50:13,950 --> 00:50:15,720
in the opening credit, and then we get it,

938
00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:16,200
with the,

939
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,10
with the funeral,

940
00:50:17,10 --> 00:50:19,170
there whenever they were having a funeral for Irving

941
00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:20,760
Irv B.

942
00:50:21,450 --> 00:50:21,870
But,

943
00:50:21,870 --> 00:50:25,920
but yeah, I mean, the, the reintegration piece is, is, is

944
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,50
as, as they get close as, as a, as

945
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,350
you said, it's not an instantaneous thing. And,

946
00:50:31,350 --> 00:50:31,740
and,

947
00:50:32,430 --> 00:50:33,900
and really learning what,

948
00:50:33,900 --> 00:50:35,970
riga's motivations because,

949
00:50:36,540 --> 00:50:36,870
you know,

950
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:38,310
she's not doing this.

951
00:50:39,90 --> 00:50:43,350
She, you know, she, she has a, she has a, a motivation for trying to make sure that

952
00:50:43,350 --> 00:50:46,740
this is successful, given that she was one of those sever, you know, she was a doctor

953
00:50:46,740 --> 00:50:48,780
who used to perform these several procedures.

954
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:52,110
you know, she does have

955
00:50:52,740 --> 00:50:57,780
a, a vested interest in, in trying to make sure that this re-integration like happens

956
00:50:57,780 --> 00:51:01,980
very successfully. And, you know, and, and warning Mark too, just like, don't rush

957
00:51:01,980 --> 00:51:05,730
it because, you know, we, we see what the result of that is at the end of this episode

958
00:51:05,730 --> 00:51:07,320
with ma having that seizure. So,

959
00:51:07,950 --> 00:51:10,380
yeah, I mean, it's just a, a lot of things that were,

960
00:51:10,380 --> 00:51:11,550
that were happening through those,

961
00:51:11,580 --> 00:51:13,230
through those moments throughout the episode.

962
00:51:13,230 --> 00:51:16,350
All right, so now you can finally talk about Irving, Burt.

963
00:51:16,350 --> 00:51:22,170
Oh yeah. That dinner was just so, so, so, so level, so many layer layers.

964
00:51:22,170 --> 00:51:22,650
you know, we

965
00:51:23,460 --> 00:51:24,480
definitely get the,

966
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,320
you know, we, we, we, you know, get to the, I guess get to the heart of it is just

967
00:51:28,330 --> 00:51:29,580
the, the question of, you know,

968
00:51:30,510 --> 00:51:31,740
do Anys have a soul?

969
00:51:31,740 --> 00:51:36,510
and, and just how Irv how Bert and, and fields,

970
00:51:36,510 --> 00:51:36,780
you know,

971
00:51:37,650 --> 00:51:41,130
fields that little bit too much to drink there and just, you know, uh, let,

972
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:43,620
say a little bit too much.

973
00:51:44,490 --> 00:51:45,600
I did, like, you know, I

974
00:51:46,110 --> 00:51:49,110
did like how they got into the philosophical

975
00:51:49,860 --> 00:51:51,330
discussion as far as

976
00:51:51,330 --> 00:51:54,480
it was, you know, Jesus who like led birth to do it because

977
00:51:54,990 --> 00:51:59,790
he was like, well, my, I'm a scoundrel, but, you know, on the outside, but my, my

978
00:51:59,790 --> 00:52:00,780
Annie at least get into heaven.

979
00:52:00,780 --> 00:52:06,510
See, see, that's, that was, was fascinating to me about that whole conversation.

980
00:52:06,510 --> 00:52:08,490
Not that, does Anys have a whole,

981
00:52:08,490 --> 00:52:16,350
soul or not, but more about the, the obvious. We're not telling you the real reason

982
00:52:16,350 --> 00:52:17,670
why Bert.

983
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:19,920
we're gonna insinuate something

984
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:23,190
that kind of, the implications are

985
00:52:23,190 --> 00:52:24,690
he in some way

986
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,410
did something that would mean that he would go to hell.

987
00:52:29,10 --> 00:52:34,470
And what, what, what is that and why is that? Because what I also thought was very

988
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:39,190
interesting is they were clearly together before severed employees,

989
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:41,980
yet only Bert needed to get severed.

990
00:52:41,980 --> 00:52:45,610
So, so like, like that kind of

991
00:52:45,610 --> 00:52:49,210
why, why this character be behaved,

992
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,390
came to be a severed p be,

993
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,290
employee is very fascinating when his spouse didn't

994
00:52:57,70 --> 00:53:03,40
Yet, and, and it's not a gay thing because No, because they're, they're both gay.

995
00:53:03,250 --> 00:53:06,650
I don't know if we realize that they're, they're both, all three of them are. Yeah.

996
00:53:07,00 --> 00:53:10,900
Yeah. All, all three of them are so, it, so it's not that. Yeah.

997
00:53:11,620 --> 00:53:14,320
but it, it's, it's, it's,

998
00:53:15,220 --> 00:53:20,890
I don't know. Or, or maybe the context was actually more about how,

999
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:29,800
about him vert himself coming out of the closet and him maybe having a very religious

1000
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,450
family, and so

1001
00:53:31,450 --> 00:53:38,260
So maybe it was, it's just they kind of explain it. So I, i, I can appreciate how

1002
00:53:38,260 --> 00:53:39,130
the,

1003
00:53:39,130 --> 00:53:39,490
we,

1004
00:53:39,490 --> 00:53:44,860
we got a lot of information, but there are some questions still remaining. Yeah.

1005
00:53:44,860 --> 00:53:46,750
while at the same time

1006
00:53:47,350 --> 00:53:51,610
just seeing Irving kind of as an Audi

1007
00:53:52,180 --> 00:53:53,800
experienceing,

1008
00:53:54,610 --> 00:53:57,640
this tangled web of Huns

1009
00:53:58,300 --> 00:53:58,450
Yep.

1010
00:53:58,450 --> 00:54:03,280
that we so far have only really explored on the severed floor.

1011
00:54:04,750 --> 00:54:11,50
So now we're, this is our first time really in the outer world exploring that, that

1012
00:54:11,50 --> 00:54:17,830
those dynamics and the awkwardness and the implications of like you two, like, I

1013
00:54:17,830 --> 00:54:18,550
like how

1014
00:54:18,550 --> 00:54:23,710
he just comes out and said, you two clearly had unprotected sex, and that's where

1015
00:54:23,710 --> 00:54:27,620
my mind was immediate. Like, yeah, hell hell's gonna be pregnant. Yep.

1016
00:54:27,620 --> 00:54:31,580
There is no protection on the severed floor. Helis gonna be pregnant.

1017
00:54:32,530 --> 00:54:37,100
Okay. Yep. Yeah. I was like, well, see, I even thought that last week when they were

1018
00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:40,940
in a tent, because I was like, yeah, I didn't, I did not think about that at all.

1019
00:54:41,450 --> 00:54:43,700
Yeah. Did not, did not cross my mind.

1020
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:44,790
yeah. I was like,

1021
00:54:44,790 --> 00:54:46,710
they're out in the wild, so let's see. Pulled out.

1022
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:53,370
Yeah. Yeah. But, but I, I, I think that's what the show needs and it needs a knocked

1023
00:54:53,370 --> 00:54:58,920
up person out of Woodlock. Okay. That's exactly what you need. While, while the other

1024
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,210
person's trying to find his

1025
00:55:00,750 --> 00:55:02,640
dead wife. Okay.

1026
00:55:03,180 --> 00:55:09,30
Yeah. Yeah. Emphasis on that. Yeah. Like, it's funny how you go through, we're talking

1027
00:55:09,30 --> 00:55:12,400
about an Irving Bert dynamic with Irving

1028
00:55:13,00 --> 00:55:13,870
meeting

1029
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:16,60
Bert's husband and having

1030
00:55:16,60 --> 00:55:22,950
That a three person dinner like that Yeah. To, to the, the,

1031
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:27,90
the conjugal visit between Gretchen and Dylan

1032
00:55:27,90 --> 00:55:28,800
Yep. To, to Mark

1033
00:55:29,310 --> 00:55:36,240
and Helena and Mark and Heli. And, and then Mark and Heli Helena even meet up at

1034
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:40,980
some point. They don't have sex, but it was us all foreplay, so Yeah. Yeah. It all

1035
00:55:40,980 --> 00:55:44,400
for, yeah. 'cause they, they, it was definitely, I think that was the thing too with

1036
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:44,640
the,

1037
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:44,970
with,

1038
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,210
you know, I was, I meant to say earlier about the fact that,

1039
00:55:48,930 --> 00:55:51,300
you know, the severed people are expect, you know,

1040
00:55:51,300 --> 00:55:57,510
are trying to escape pain but you know, even Mark and Helena, Audi, mark, I, me be

1041
00:55:57,510 --> 00:56:02,640
very clear. And Audi and, and Helena had, yeah. They had sparks. I mean, there was

1042
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:07,410
definitely a flirtation thing there until, until, you know, until things went sideways

1043
00:56:07,410 --> 00:56:08,10
when,

1044
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,680
and you know why that is, right? Oh, yeah.

1045
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,440
Be because it is not two different personalities.

1046
00:56:14,10 --> 00:56:17,760
Exactly. It's the same personality and, and the attraction

1047
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,380
that does not get severed.

1048
00:56:19,950 --> 00:56:24,810
So if you're attracted to someone on the severed floor, you meet them in real life,

1049
00:56:24,810 --> 00:56:27,30
you're still gonna be attracted the, like, they're,

1050
00:56:27,30 --> 00:56:29,610
you're still gonna be drawn to them in some way.

1051
00:56:29,610 --> 00:56:29,700
Mm-hmm.

1052
00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:33,810
You don't know. What, what is fascinating though is

1053
00:56:34,350 --> 00:56:39,90
because of the severed nature of the relationship, you don't know the full history.

1054
00:56:39,780 --> 00:56:45,270
Right? So, so you're also missing, like, as heli put it a memory, like

1055
00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:50,320
Or a memory is taken from you. And, and I can appreciate how they parallel

1056
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:51,850
that,

1057
00:56:51,850 --> 00:56:54,100
very clearly between

1058
00:56:54,670 --> 00:56:55,960
Bert and,

1059
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:57,610
Irving meeting up,

1060
00:56:58,450 --> 00:57:05,170
and then also Helena and Mark meeting up and, and this we're in the outer world,

1061
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:06,610
and I know

1062
00:57:07,540 --> 00:57:13,840
now I know that, you know, that there was something, but I don't know what it is.

1063
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:15,550
but I, I like you,

1064
00:57:16,90 --> 00:57:19,300
but you're also evil. I'm talking about Helena.

1065
00:57:19,300 --> 00:57:21,700
So, so there's, there's just

1066
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:25,420
a lot of melodrama happening with, with that. But

1067
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:26,380
it,

1068
00:57:26,380 --> 00:57:28,570
I, I can appreciate how

1069
00:57:28,570 --> 00:57:33,580
at some point it feels a bit redundant. It's like, well, well, you are already exploring

1070
00:57:33,580 --> 00:57:40,00
that with these two characters. Why do we have to see it? But the, the nuanced differences

1071
00:57:40,00 --> 00:57:44,270
between each of those relationships allow it not to redundant to me.

1072
00:57:44,780 --> 00:57:48,920
Exactly. Um, and yeah, and it's just, you're just looking at

1073
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:54,590
a different side of the cube. You're, it is just a different perspective and it at

1074
00:57:54,590 --> 00:57:58,790
a different relationship that has different motivations and different mm-hmm. Attachments.

1075
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:03,650
I mean, you got Dylan with the kids outside, like a family man.

1076
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:04,250
Yeah.

1077
00:58:04,250 --> 00:58:10,190
and then you got, you got Mark with a dead wife in the outer world, and then you

1078
00:58:10,190 --> 00:58:12,890
got Bert with a alive husband.

1079
00:58:12,890 --> 00:58:17,960
Yeah. Alive husband who like, you know, I guess I was joking earlier, you know, said

1080
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:19,160
a little bit too much because,

1081
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:23,180
you know, they were getting to a, you know, he was sharing stories about things that

1082
00:58:23,180 --> 00:58:27,440
happened before Severance sev the severance floor even happened, so, right.

1083
00:58:28,10 --> 00:58:29,300
Which, yeah. Yeah.

1084
00:58:30,580 --> 00:58:32,560
and you know, and I think about that,

1085
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,920
you know, especially, you know, so you know how, you know, so, 'cause you know, we

1086
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,270
saw Bert like

1087
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:42,340
looking at spying on Irving whenever Irving was calling, calling whoever that mystery

1088
00:58:42,340 --> 00:58:43,780
is, person he's talking to,

1089
00:58:43,780 --> 00:58:44,650
in, in the phone booth.

1090
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:49,240
So it's just like, you know, so, you know, to your point of, you know, you have all

1091
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,540
these relationships, but on top of that, you have

1092
00:58:53,290 --> 00:58:56,470
these things that are happening where all, you know, where

1093
00:58:57,340 --> 00:59:00,670
you know, where, where you do, you know, you have Mark trying to get reintegrated

1094
00:59:00,670 --> 00:59:01,60
to like

1095
00:59:01,60 --> 00:59:01,750
learn about,

1096
00:59:02,260 --> 00:59:06,850
you know, to, to, to bring light on this, this, this floor. You have Devon and, and

1097
00:59:06,850 --> 00:59:10,420
Ricker before he like got the cash, you know, before he got

1098
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:15,850
blinded by the cash trying to like expose all the severed stuff. And so, I mean,

1099
00:59:15,850 --> 00:59:18,760
it just so many le so many levels to this show,

1100
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,990
to your, that like you said that to, to your point that yeah, you do have all these

1101
00:59:22,990 --> 00:59:27,640
like love triangles and quadruples and throuple, but there's so many other things

1102
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:28,240
in there that

1103
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:29,230
you don't get. Like

1104
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,370
Yeah, yeah. It could become, that can have become redundant. But then they have like

1105
00:59:33,370 --> 00:59:37,210
these other things, like even like with Drummond, like having, you know, frolic on

1106
00:59:37,210 --> 00:59:38,190
his, on, you know

1107
00:59:38,190 --> 00:59:39,110
Tattooed on his finger.

1108
00:59:40,820 --> 00:59:43,460
and you know, and thinking that, you know, I thought back, you know, and pulling

1109
00:59:43,460 --> 00:59:46,820
that back to our discussion earlier about, you know, is he an Negan?

1110
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,30
So, you know, given that you, you know, given that they have all

1111
00:59:50,570 --> 00:59:51,930
the, the, what's it, the, the,

1112
00:59:51,930 --> 00:59:52,440
floor, the

1113
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,350
four themes or whatever, I can't, I always like, forget what they call 'em, but the

1114
00:59:55,410 --> 00:59:58,710
the four, you know, it's like frolic, woe, you know, the other two.

1115
00:59:59,370 --> 01:00:00,150
So yeah. I mean, it's just

1116
01:00:00,810 --> 01:00:04,260
so many levels with this show that, I mean, you can just, you know, we can go, we

1117
01:00:04,260 --> 01:00:05,100
can really like

1118
01:00:05,100 --> 01:00:06,810
even dig even deeper if we wanted to.

1119
01:00:06,810 --> 01:00:09,160
And we built, we got, we have several, we have,

1120
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:14,260
what, four episodes left? Yeah. Yeah. We're, we're just over halfway through done

1121
01:00:14,260 --> 01:00:16,240
with this season. Yeah.

1122
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,220
a lot more to talk about.

1123
01:00:18,220 --> 01:00:21,500
and on that note, will, why don't you tell our listeners where they can find you?

1124
01:00:22,460 --> 01:00:28,220
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1125
01:00:28,790 --> 01:00:32,960
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1128
01:00:36,380 --> 01:00:39,110
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01:00:40,370 --> 01:00:44,510
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