Spider-Noir Eps 5-8 Breakdown | A Betrayal and The Body Horror Gets REAL

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>> Will: Foreign.

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>> Sarah : This is Scene the Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah

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Belmont, and with me, as always, is our Mr.

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Producer, will Will Polk Carry. Doing tonight,

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Will.

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. I hope you're doing well

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this Monday evening.

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>> Sarah : I'm doing all right. I mean, it's this Monday

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evening. It's raining.

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>> Will: Speaking of rain, so it's funny, cool thing when I

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was like, when I put together, like, our assets

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for we're talking. I know we were going to finish

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up Spider Noir episodes five through eight

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tonight, but it's very cool. Like, whenever you,

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like, Google it and you know, go to the main,

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like, Spider Noir page, just, you know, as far as

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this splash page on Google, it like, has rain. It

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has rain. Like, you know, like the whole crime

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noir, like, thing, I was just like, that's just. I

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just been. I've been meaning to like, share that

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with you. I just. And we. Whenever you brought up

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about the, rain there in your town, though, I just

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like, well, what better place to bring it up?

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, no, that, that is very cool. I watched

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all of the episodes in black and white.

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>> Will: Same. Well, actually, no, I watched three of them

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in black and white. One in color. It was just. I

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watched episode six in color because I, I had

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like, I was watching it on a different device

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before and I think I, you know, and it was when I

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was still watching black and white and color, and

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I think the last version I watched was color. So

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when it went to the next episode, it was the color

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one. I was like. And I, was trying to switch it

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back and I was like, screw it. And I just watched

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it in color. But all the other three I did watch

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black and white.

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>> Sarah : That's interesting. That's an interesting one to

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have just so happened to have watched that in

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color versus black and white. but more than that,

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in a second.

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so we will start off with the halfway point.

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Spider Noir Episode 5, Betrayal Careful is for

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stock tips and hot soccer sauce. So inevitably,

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this happens to us while we're covering a show

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where we'll just be like, oh, we haven't gotten

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this, this backstory or this, this before. In the

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very next episode, it's like, here's the origins,

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like right from the get go. Yeah. so, I mean, the

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loosely, you could kind of tell what would happen,

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but to actually see it. And I will say my big

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takeaway from the origins. And again, remember, I

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watched this in black and white and so did Will.

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The jump scare. The jump scare that was being

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bitten by a literal, literal half Man Half Spider,

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which just was straight out of a 1900s horror

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movie.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Between this episode and episode six, the Black

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and white, yes, it was noir, but they, they, they

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just fed into the horror aspects. And I think it's

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more scary to watch it in black and white than it

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is in color.

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>> Will: Oh yeah. Oh yeah, it definitely is. I mean that,

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the body horror that was going on. And I like the

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way, I know you mentioned the, the origin story

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because, you know, we, we were wondering when we

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were going to get it and I, I really liked how

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they use the jump scares. But also we learned a

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lot about not only how he got the spider powers

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and, and you know, and you know, clearly we're in

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an alternate universe here where it wasn't a

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radioactive spider, but it was soldiers in a POW

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camp getting experimented on by the Germans. And

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then we also learn more about Ben as well, that he

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actually changed his name.

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>> Sarah : there was a lot of, like who. There's a lot of

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weird things that were dropped about these

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characters that at episode five, you think, you

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know, because I had a similar instance when Robbie

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sets up his name tag and it's, and it's Joe

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Robertson. And I'm like, I'm like, have I been

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mishearing it this whole time? And the episodes

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come on and I'm like, no, no, they're, they call

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him Robbie. I don't. So, so between that. But

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you're right. And I was thinking like at some

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point within the next three, three episodes we

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would find out more about why he changed. I mean,

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I guess you can deduce that a part of it was

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because he didn't want to be tracked down. that

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was part of the reason why Ogden said he couldn't

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find him. because apparently Ogden, out of all the

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soldiers who visibly saw Ben in, in that, in that

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camp, was the only one to read the name tag. Yeah,

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yeah, but I, but I agree with you. We, we found

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out that,

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>> Will: And yeah, I had a theory. Before we move from the

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name, I had a theory, especially given thinking

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back to episode one and how we talked about, you

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know, this is inspired by the Spider Verse movies.

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But, but then I was just thinking, you know, this

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is a maybe and I could be stretching it here, but

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I was like, m. Maybe his. He was Peter Parker and

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he changed his name to Ben Raleigh.

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>> Sarah : That was my first thought too. I was just like,

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well, yeah, I, I think, I think there's a, there's

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a fairly good chance it's Peter Parker.

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>> Will: Yeah. Or. Or Peter. Or he was Peter Benjamin

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Parker and he just like kept the bed because of

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Uncle Ben reference or whatever. And then.

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>> Sarah : Right.

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>> Will: And then, just add a Riley. yeah, but you know,

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but again this is taking all the things from the

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various, you know, established mythos from all

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these other, various versions of Spider man and

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using them here.

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>> Sarah : Well, I, yes, yes, you're, you're absolutely

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correct. But I also think in terms of this

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character and specifically these, these last four

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episodes, the second half of the season, there's a

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lot of questioning of who is Ben Reilly.

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>> Sarah : Who is the spider? Who are they together? So it,

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it's kind of a good touch to. As we're getting the

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origin story of Ben Reilly. Part of that is really

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making it clear who he was before that day was an

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entirely different person with an entirely

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different name.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So. So it's like a very clever, clever ah, thing

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to put in there to very much define how the, the

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evolution of this character between before and

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then. And we will continue on that.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Later.

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But to circle back to Joe Robbie Robertson. the.

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And you. And I don't. I don't. Okay. As we all

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know, I'm white.

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>> Will: No, I didn't do that. Didn't know that at all.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Will: Well, even though we did get a nomination from a

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black podcasters in the network, it. I know we had

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a fun about the, the ambiguous nature of your

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avatar, but.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, I, I'm. I'm very pasty. no tan because

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I'm allergic to the sun. So, so I, so why this I

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have to have that disclaimer is just because I

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remember last week you mentioning all of the

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racial references that were in the first half of

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the, of the show. And so I don't know if because

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you said that my radar was already attuned to it

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or if because it was very, very. They made some

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very obvious ones. in these episodes. I mean

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between, between just the ah, the display that was

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him setting up his desk and everything.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And the still otherism. But there's also the, the

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clear as day he's a Negro, no one would believe

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him line by Ogden when they're at the VA Center.

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And then as there's a, there's a bigger discussion

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not with Robbie but between Lonnie and Flint about

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Lonnie joining Silverman. And then you have the a,

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a very, a very good and important note that they

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are, they are both soldiers and they both have

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returned from war and are dealing with ptsd, but

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the, the treatment of Lonnie is still different.

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Like they could have the same experience but the

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world is gonna still treat them as different,

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different types of heroes. So there's the line.

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You served in the war and they still treat you

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like a second class citizen. And you kind of stall

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that too with the fact that where Lonnie was

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staying, and in previous episodes and with the

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police raid and all of that. So I just, like I

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said before, I don't know if it's because you've

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already ah, made me aware of that they were doing,

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dropping little beats like that or if it's just

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that. No, they, there were, there were clear, it

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was clearer. Unless Unless in the background.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I mean it was, it was very clear. I,

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Robbie was at the bugle and whenever he was

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setting up the stage desk and yeah, that was just

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a, it was, you know, if, as I mentioned last week,

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I really appreciate how they really did commit to

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the time period. They didn't try to well, go,

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let's whitewash it, for lack of a better term, or,

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or ignore things or try to, you know, or, or try

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to add any anachronisms to, to the time period

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that they were in other than. Obviously there were

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some because we are, you know, it is, it is a com.

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society, whether it's exploring race, what they

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did here, the whole poverty of it all, because

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they aren't in a depression. So, and even, yeah,

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you know, and even at that, you know, like you're

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saying Flint. yeah, just trying to, you know, all

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these people trying to get by and the poverty

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that's going on and you know, it's thinking about

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some of the tips, you know, as far as monetary

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things, or, or even with later in episodes when

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Silvermane and, and Ben are like, you know,

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negotiating. I mean there's so many things that

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they were doing throughout these episodes just to

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again remind you just of the period that you're in

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leaning into the, the film, noir, not only for,

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you know, for the aesthetics of the show, but also

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just the time period that this, this, this series

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is set in as well.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I think, I think you make a good point that

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by doing that and leading it, making it more of a

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period piece, it lo allows the quote unquote

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gimmick of this being a noir comic book TV show

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to, to, to not be as gimmicky.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : because, no, they. It's. It's not that. This is.

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This is still a fictional world, but it grounds it

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by making it into a period piece. And it. It also.

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That period is where noir comes from for a reason,

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and mainly because of the war in World War I and

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the aftermath of that and whole masculine

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identity, after witnessing the horrors and. And

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everything. so which.

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Speaking about horrors, one of the biggest

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questions I have for you about this episode. what.

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What did you think about the literal electric kiss

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that occurred?

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>> Will: Yeah, so Megawatt was, being interrogated, by the.

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I guess the police or whoever.

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>> Sarah : And it doesn't matter. But what did you think

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about the kiss?

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>> Will: Yeah, it was weird. It was weird. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I mean.

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>> Will: I mean, I don't. I mean, I'm not being homophobic

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or anything. It was just like. It was. It was

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very. But it was very in line with Megawatt, the

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character, because he was. He had the flare of the

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dramatic. And.

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>> Sarah : And did he.

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>> Will: And all.

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>> Sarah : Did. I just said, did he? I mean, now that you use

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that word, dramatic, my mind just went to Wonder

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man, and I'm like, oh, he would have had a field

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day with them.

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>> Will: Yeah, he would have.

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>> Sarah : You could have gone tit for tat with quoting all

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of these different plays.

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>> Will: Oh, gosh, yeah. Oh, God, yeah. I could see Trevor

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and. And, Megawatt, like. Yeah, you know. Yeah, it

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would. It would. Yeah. yes, it would make even.

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Joey Pants and Megawatts together.

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>> Sarah : Right, right. Yes. Yes, definitely. And this is

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all this all occurs. as in this episode,

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Silvermane continues to build his army between

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trying to recruit Lonnie Megawatt, as he prepares

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for a face off against the mayor who has partnered

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himself with. With the Spider, even though Spider

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claims no affiliation.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. I love the previous song. Nope. We're

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not partners. We're not.

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>> Sarah : Nope. there's. There's also a line, and please

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correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure in

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this episode, Ben says it to Flint, and he says, a

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hot dog at a game is better than roast. Roast beef

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at the Ritz. What do you think he means?

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>> Will: Yeah, I think it was. It was Ben Flint. you know,

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let me come put a pen. I'm not sure whether I'm

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trying to think back whenever I watched that. That

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line, I don't know if it really made a reference

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hit me up. But. But I'd love to Hear your thoughts

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on it, and maybe that'll. That'll trigger mine.

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>> Sarah : I. I think that it goes back to what you're saving

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about poverty and the fact that in these last few

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episodes, Flint has made the decision to realign

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himself with Silverman, become a goon. And we

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already know Silvermane. If you're part of his

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team, he will. He will, feed you, give you money,

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give you a place to stay. Like. And it's. And it's

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not just any place. It's of the finer things.

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Like, he treats them well, but he treats them all

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very well. So they are all expendable to

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Silvermane. But again, as long as they are in. Of.

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In service to him and have use and value, they

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are. They are treated like, fine nine fine dining

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wear. so versus a hot dog at a game, which

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there's. It's cheap. Yeah, It's. It's just the run

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of the mill. And you're. You're. It's kind of

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like. But it's still flavorful because you. You

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paid for it with your own money and.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, that. Now

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that you mentioned that, I think that it. That is.

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That. I think you're right. I think that really is

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another example of just really adding context to

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the times that. That they're in and the

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desperation that these. That these folks, have and

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why they would work for a person like Silvermane,

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and even Cat for that matter as well.

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>> Sarah : Right. Right.

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So the big crux of this, episode, because it is

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called the Betrayal, is the betrayal that occurs

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in the episode because we start with it with the,

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With the proposal that Ben and Cat. Cat leave town

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together to start over, start fresh.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : Meanwhile, Lonnie, me. Meanwhile, they both get

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interrupted during these. These packing. And,

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Lonnie interrupts Cat and then mentions, just

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offhandedly, Because there's also a Faber

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investigation going on, which we learn more about

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Faber. And Lonnie drops this nugget to Cat that if

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Faber could study the spider, then she may be able

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to develop a cure since his powers are not killing

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him. And at, the start of this episode, when we.

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When we hear about the origin story, it's because

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Ben is telling it to Kat and she, at the very

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beginning of the episode, also drops the line,

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well, if there. If you could get rid of your

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powers, would you? And then that kind of

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foreshadows this antidote, that still has yet to

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be developed. And, Because. Because Again, it's

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very clear in this conversation with Lonnie and

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albeit Flint too, is that they are. The more they

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use of their powers, the more closer to death they

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get.

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>> Will: Right.

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>> Sarah : there, there's a time limit that's very different

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from Ben. He, he does not suffer any, any

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consequence or energy drain or anything, from use

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of his powers. And that's why he's been going on

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for so long. So that leads after some dramatic

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conversations with also Flynn, to Katie spilling

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the beans.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : Almost a day after being informed.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : Oh, what are, what is, what are your thoughts

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about the betrayal?

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>> Will: Yeah, so is. So I get where she's coming from. I

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can't be too hard on her for it because at the end

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of the day she has feel, you know, I think she

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does have genuine feelings for Ben, but she does

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love Flint. And is she part of this whole thing

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is, whatever she can do to help Flint, she will do

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that. And so, so her, her going off and, and

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telling favor this, I mean, yeah, it was a

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telegraph. Yeah. I mean it surprised me. No, I

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mean this is, this is a noir. So you expecting

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this at some point a betrayal was going to happen.

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but, but within the context of the story it makes

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sense why she did what she did.

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>> Sarah : Right. And I mean at the end of, at the end of the

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show we learned that all it would have taken was

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for Ogden and Faber to encounter a very drunk Ben.

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And they would have also known that he was a

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spider.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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>> Sarah : Okay. Because the guy has no qualms about who

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knows about him. I think does feed into Peter

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Parker being Spider man is the world's like worst

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kept secret

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>> Will: identities at this point. It's just like, you

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know, there's. I think, I thought, I thought I

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need to watch this YouTube video, but there's one

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out there. I just, I just discovered this channel

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a few weeks, maybe a week ago and, and, and things

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in there is the whole. Why secret identities are

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just silly.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah, it, it really is. But the moment

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that they become known there is. It is. Does mean

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it totally takes on a whole new story. for better

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and for worse.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : So.

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>> Will: Hey y', all, it's Will real big favorite. Ask if

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that, thank you so much.

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Let's get back to the discussion with,

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>> Sarah : with that betrayal that leads us to episode six,

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Nightmare on the Gurney. If you haven't found an

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answer, it's because there isn't one. Okay. so

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again, I am very surprised that you watched this.

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I, I get why you watched this in color, but again,

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it was more horrifying watching it in black and

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white. And so did I watch this episode? Yes. Was I

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looking at the screen the whole time? No. No.

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>> Will: Oh, I didn't either. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Oh, yeah.

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>> Will: Oh, no, no, no.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I was definitely like, let's get through

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this. Come on. I don't, I don't like it. I do not

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like it. but it reminded me of, the second. So you

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have Far From Home.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So there's that whole sequence of, of, of Peter,

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like, going through, being sent through different

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things. and, and, and, and I vaguely remember

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seeing similar things happening on the actual

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animated, Spider man television show. And, and so

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this, this, it was, it was an interesting sequence

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with this psychosis that occurs while, Faber and

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Ogden are testing Ben and, and the. Between

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cutting between the present psychosis and torture

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and then the past torture that occurred and, and

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muddling it all up. And I think between these two,

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I think the second half of the show for me really

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told me why Nicolas Cage would even bother to take

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on this role.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Oh, yeah, because he had just so much. I'm sure he

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had a field day. And I, I saw more of him in these

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four episodes than I did in the first set. because

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I did have that criticism that he, he just came

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off to me as really portraying, a classic noir

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male lead in those early episodes. Ah, that felt

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more like an impersonation. but when he's having

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to do ticks or get into that, I'm a crazy person.

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Like that scene in Ogden's office where he, he

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just, he gets caught and so he poses as a crazy

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person. I'm like, that's Nic Cage.

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>> Will: Yeah. Oh, totally, totally, totally. Whenever he

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did that, I was just like, yeah, that is him.

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Yeah, like having the, you know, put the files

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down and you, like, ties it up. But yeah, and the

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whole, the whole. Yeah. And even when Ogden comes,

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to his apartment, and drugs him.

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and, we'll quick little note about Ogden though. I

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have to, you know, so I'm wearing a Star Trek D

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Space 9 shirt because whenever I saw Ogden, the

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actor who plays him is Andrew Robinson. And for

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fans of Star Trek D Space 9, he is a very, he was

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a recurring character called Garrick, who was a

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cardassian spy Taylor. Very, you know, ambiguous

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as far as his background. He just, he told yarns.

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Also he got his debut, ah, playing Scorpio, and

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did the first Dirty Harry movie.

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>> Will: So he is like, whenever I saw him on the screen, I

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was like, oh, I was in for. I was like, I'm in for

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a treat. Because he plays these, these weird,

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sketchy characters like the best. So whenever he

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was like, whenever he, you know, because of the

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betrayal, you know, he finally goes to, to Ben's

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apartment and you know, I was like, when's it

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gonna happen? When's it gonna happen? And then

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whenever he's like, you know, they were having a

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conversation and when he just like had to knock

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him out to get him to go, I was like, it's on. But

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then the body horror. Yeah, that was, that was a

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bit much. I.

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>> Sarah : He didn't come off as, as crazy to me. his. His

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mom did. His mom was more crazy.

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>> Will: Yeah, the mom was crazy. Yeah. But I mean, I think

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he, he plays the unders. That's the thing about

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it. He under. It wasn't so much not so much as

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crazy. It was just more the, the subtext and like,

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is he, is he, you know, like with. Is he a good

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guy or a bad guy? Especially as we, as we see

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things happen. And he just, you know, he does have

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remorse about doing these experiments on Ben.

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>> Sarah : Well, yeah, he has remorse for it, but just like

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Cat and you understand her motivation for giving

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up the secret, you also understand Ogden's

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motivation and Faber's motivation the moment you

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real know that they are mother and son. And he is

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technically 36 in April. And because his gene

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mutation has sped up the aging process, so he is

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quite literally on the verge of death due to this

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mutation. And so there, there's also that

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heartache of where you're dealing with a mom

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facing the potential to watch her own son die. And

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so. So then you really do. And that's why later

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when. When she starts packing things up and it's

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like, screw it, just leave them on the table.

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After finding the antidote, she says to him, his

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life was always the price for yours. And, and so I

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between that again, it didn't surprise me when

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Ogden was like, you go ahead, I'm gonna hang back

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here and get myself killed. Yeah, I just went

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through this to save myself. But like that line,

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your mother. So I don't. I feel like they have,

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And I'll be nice.

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They've done a really good job Explaining

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motivations of characters in this show that no

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one's decisions surprise me.

487
00:27:38,171 --> 00:27:39,051
>> Will: Right, right.

488
00:27:40,971 --> 00:27:45,371
>> Sarah : The most surprised I've been in this show is how

489
00:27:45,371 --> 00:27:47,361
delusional Ben is about her.

490
00:27:47,751 --> 00:27:47,991
>> Will: Her.

491
00:27:48,311 --> 00:27:51,631
>> Sarah : His feelings and her feelings for him. Like, that

492
00:27:51,631 --> 00:27:54,711
was the most delusional thing I thought occurred.

493
00:27:55,271 --> 00:27:56,391
>> Will: Yeah, true, true.

494
00:27:56,791 --> 00:27:58,071
>> Sarah : Yeah. But what.

495
00:27:58,151 --> 00:28:03,071
What did you think about Silvermane, Flint and

496
00:28:03,071 --> 00:28:08,711
Lonnie showing up to the lab and then her favor,

497
00:28:08,711 --> 00:28:12,471
showing her the quote unquote, failed experiments?

498
00:28:13,441 --> 00:28:17,761
>> Will: Yeah, that was straight up like horror movie crazy

499
00:28:17,761 --> 00:28:22,601
fun house, you know, Ms. Noir, you know, of it

500
00:28:22,601 --> 00:28:25,481
all. because, you know, because, you know,

501
00:28:25,481 --> 00:28:27,641
Silvermane was like, oh, if I could again, he's

502
00:28:27,641 --> 00:28:30,161
building up his army, you know, he's. He's. He's

503
00:28:30,161 --> 00:28:34,051
trying to tip the election. And we see them, you

504
00:28:34,051 --> 00:28:37,451
know, busting down all the. The fundraising and

505
00:28:37,451 --> 00:28:38,191
the. The.

506
00:28:38,191 --> 00:28:38,831
>> Sarah : For. For.

507
00:28:38,831 --> 00:28:40,871
>> Will: For the mayor and all that kind of stuff. And so

508
00:28:40,871 --> 00:28:42,951
he's just trying to like, of course, tip things.

509
00:28:43,751 --> 00:28:47,071
And what better way to do that, you know, to build

510
00:28:47,071 --> 00:28:51,031
to his army of. Of. Of superhumans, metahumans.

511
00:28:52,151 --> 00:28:55,741
And so, So when they show up and then you see all

512
00:28:55,741 --> 00:28:58,701
the failed experiments, I'm like, yeah, you know,

513
00:28:58,781 --> 00:29:03,261
it was just. Just carry further the body horror,

514
00:29:03,261 --> 00:29:07,731
the. The horror element that this. That this is.

515
00:29:07,731 --> 00:29:11,731
This is growing up Spider man as far as this. This

516
00:29:11,731 --> 00:29:15,601
show. And, and the disappointment that they had

517
00:29:15,601 --> 00:29:20,240
in. In. In seeing the failures of it all. But. But

518
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,281
also, you know, again, thinking about the time

519
00:29:22,281 --> 00:29:25,921
period too, because there was also the eugenics

520
00:29:25,921 --> 00:29:29,931
things that were going on at the time. And so, you

521
00:29:29,931 --> 00:29:32,691
know, so you had that aspect of the. Of these

522
00:29:32,691 --> 00:29:36,321
experiments that Faber was engaged in, even though

523
00:29:36,321 --> 00:29:39,781
she, you know, ultimately she was trying to, you

524
00:29:39,781 --> 00:29:43,901
know, save her son, but, you know, but she, you

525
00:29:43,901 --> 00:29:45,781
know, it was. I think it was made pretty clear

526
00:29:45,781 --> 00:29:48,701
that she was part of the. The group that was doing

527
00:29:48,701 --> 00:29:51,141
these experiments and. And during the war.

528
00:29:51,701 --> 00:29:52,661
>> Sarah : Yeah, so.

529
00:29:53,301 --> 00:29:57,651
>> Will: So, yeah, so it. Again, it's just double that, you

530
00:29:57,651 --> 00:30:00,611
know, having a understanding and appreciation of

531
00:30:00,611 --> 00:30:03,131
history. When you watch a show like this, it just.

532
00:30:03,131 --> 00:30:06,171
It just deepens it and just makes. It makes it

533
00:30:06,171 --> 00:30:09,291
more. I mean, it's already a fun, fun watch and I

534
00:30:09,291 --> 00:30:12,651
hope we get a second season. But, you know, I just

535
00:30:12,651 --> 00:30:16,531
love all those little elements that you get as a

536
00:30:16,531 --> 00:30:19,541
viewer and that, you know, they build into these

537
00:30:19,541 --> 00:30:23,701
stories and so seeing that, yeah, it was really

538
00:30:23,701 --> 00:30:23,941
cool.

539
00:30:23,941 --> 00:30:29,261
>> Sarah : It makes it more science fiction m. Than. Than any

540
00:30:29,501 --> 00:30:33,261
any other genre. And it's more horrifying and.

541
00:30:34,461 --> 00:30:35,861
Okay, stay with me, y'.

542
00:30:35,861 --> 00:30:36,061
>> Will: All.

543
00:30:36,621 --> 00:30:37,620
>> Sarah : Stay with me, y'.

544
00:30:37,620 --> 00:30:37,821
>> Will: All.

545
00:30:38,061 --> 00:30:38,981
>> Sarah : I'm gonna connect.

546
00:30:38,981 --> 00:30:43,341
This reminds me of another movie. M. Another

547
00:30:43,341 --> 00:30:48,931
Marvel movie that I'm sure 1% of the people on

548
00:30:48,931 --> 00:30:53,651
this planet even saw, but the Fantastic Four. And

549
00:30:53,651 --> 00:30:56,691
I'm not talking about the new one. No, I'm not

550
00:30:56,691 --> 00:30:59,131
talking. I'm talking about the Miles Teller one.

551
00:30:59,211 --> 00:31:01,211
>> Will: Okay, I was wondering which one you were talking

552
00:31:01,211 --> 00:31:01,891
about. Yeah, okay.

553
00:31:01,891 --> 00:31:02,331
>> Sarah : Okay.

554
00:31:02,651 --> 00:31:03,091
>> Will: Yeah.

555
00:31:03,091 --> 00:31:06,771
>> Sarah : And I bring it up because I was one of the few

556
00:31:06,771 --> 00:31:13,331
people who saw that movie theaters. And I. I

557
00:31:13,331 --> 00:31:15,851
remember. Because I remember this from the

558
00:31:15,851 --> 00:31:19,571
trailers, back when I used to watch trailers. And

559
00:31:19,571 --> 00:31:24,171
I remember people who were watching reactions to

560
00:31:24,171 --> 00:31:26,171
the trailer and people pointing out they're

561
00:31:26,171 --> 00:31:29,131
leaning into the horror side of these characters

562
00:31:29,131 --> 00:31:34,561
getting the, the powers. And in what. Having

563
00:31:34,561 --> 00:31:37,201
watched that movie, I will tell you the best parts

564
00:31:37,201 --> 00:31:40,241
of that movie are those scenes from the trailer

565
00:31:40,241 --> 00:31:44,151
where the characters literally get these powers

566
00:31:44,151 --> 00:31:49,351
that are. Are horrifying and just frightening

567
00:31:49,351 --> 00:31:53,551
because sudden, suddenly you just stretch. Like

568
00:31:53,551 --> 00:31:56,511
your body is stretching against your will.

569
00:31:57,791 --> 00:32:01,351
Suddenly nobody can see you. Suddenly your literal

570
00:32:01,351 --> 00:32:05,631
body's on fire. Like, it can be really horrifying.

571
00:32:05,951 --> 00:32:11,121
And so in watching these specific episodes, I. I

572
00:32:11,121 --> 00:32:15,321
remember that movie, and that movie had had a

573
00:32:15,481 --> 00:32:23,331
clear, Clear, thesis on superheroes and the powers

574
00:32:23,331 --> 00:32:27,411
and, like, that origin story and how, if you

575
00:32:27,411 --> 00:32:30,651
really think about it, it is a horrifying thing.

576
00:32:30,811 --> 00:32:37,141
And so to apply that here in this context with not

577
00:32:37,141 --> 00:32:41,541
only the horror elements of the. Of the eugenics

578
00:32:41,541 --> 00:32:46,411
and the, the experimentation and the super

579
00:32:46,411 --> 00:32:52,131
soldier, but also just the. The time limit put

580
00:32:52,131 --> 00:32:57,301
onto it, giving us. Making it clear that. That Ben

581
00:32:57,301 --> 00:33:00,261
still is special, even though it seems like all of

582
00:33:00,261 --> 00:33:03,691
these soldiers got something that Ben's is unique

583
00:33:03,691 --> 00:33:07,551
because it's not a latent mutation. he was bitten

584
00:33:07,551 --> 00:33:12,551
by a mutated thing. He wasn't experimented on

585
00:33:12,551 --> 00:33:16,671
himself. So. So there. There's still a lot of,

586
00:33:18,251 --> 00:33:21,291
making sure it's clear what divides there are. But

587
00:33:21,291 --> 00:33:24,891
it's just as horrifying and. And you see that

588
00:33:24,891 --> 00:33:29,061
later on, just. Just in terms of some other

589
00:33:29,061 --> 00:33:32,791
horrifying events that occur with these characters

590
00:33:32,951 --> 00:33:36,471
who. Who, again, as previously, mentioned, we're

591
00:33:36,471 --> 00:33:40,191
talking not necessarily about, like, heroes. Yeah,

592
00:33:40,191 --> 00:33:43,431
they are war heroes, but they are villains in this

593
00:33:43,431 --> 00:33:43,791
story.

594
00:33:44,351 --> 00:33:44,831
>> Will: Yeah.

595
00:33:45,711 --> 00:33:49,321
>> Sarah : So it's. It's very. It's very good. Ben makes it

596
00:33:49,321 --> 00:33:52,601
out. Ogden and Faber end, up dying, because

597
00:33:52,601 --> 00:33:55,481
Megawatt, you know, just has to be dramatic and

598
00:33:55,481 --> 00:33:59,571
ends up starting a fire. The lab burns. and that

599
00:33:59,571 --> 00:34:03,011
brings us to nobody's hero. I can't protect you

600
00:34:03,091 --> 00:34:07,411
when I'm Dead. Who? What? Where? When? Why is Ben

601
00:34:07,411 --> 00:34:08,131
Reilly.

602
00:34:09,971 --> 00:34:16,291
Okay, I will say this episode, the bar fight.

603
00:34:16,931 --> 00:34:17,531
>> Will: Oh yeah.

604
00:34:17,531 --> 00:34:22,051
>> Sarah : Arguably my favorite piece of choreography in this

605
00:34:22,051 --> 00:34:26,711
entire show. Yeah, I think between the, the fight

606
00:34:26,711 --> 00:34:31,551
choreography, between. I know, I know it was not

607
00:34:31,551 --> 00:34:36,991
Nic Cage in that mask during this. However, both

608
00:34:36,991 --> 00:34:40,471
of them play drunk real well, so they, they

609
00:34:40,471 --> 00:34:43,151
definitely cast it and they were like, okay, well

610
00:34:43,151 --> 00:34:45,791
you gotta do some fighting moves while, while

611
00:34:45,791 --> 00:34:49,191
playing drunk because this needs to work. The song

612
00:34:49,191 --> 00:34:55,941
choice, the the way it was edited made it again

613
00:34:56,181 --> 00:35:01,551
feel like you were flipping through a, Like a, I

614
00:35:01,551 --> 00:35:04,681
forget what they're called. But, you know how you

615
00:35:04,681 --> 00:35:07,881
have those flip books where you just watch like

616
00:35:07,881 --> 00:35:12,481
each page moves and you just flip it? Yep, I know

617
00:35:12,481 --> 00:35:15,831
exactly the way there, there was a, There was an

618
00:35:15,831 --> 00:35:18,651
energy about the way they edited this whole

619
00:35:18,651 --> 00:35:23,011
sequence together that felt very much like, like a

620
00:35:23,011 --> 00:35:25,771
flip book. And also very much like you were

621
00:35:25,771 --> 00:35:28,891
flipping through a comic book where the camera

622
00:35:28,891 --> 00:35:31,571
would cut to one scene and there would be like a

623
00:35:31,571 --> 00:35:34,411
pow. And then another scene and it felt like

624
00:35:34,411 --> 00:35:35,931
panels from a comic.

625
00:35:36,171 --> 00:35:36,851
>> Will: It totally.

626
00:35:36,851 --> 00:35:41,491
>> Sarah : So, so yeah, that, that was arguably my favorite

627
00:35:41,491 --> 00:35:44,861
piece. Like, I don't, I don't wouldn't consider it

628
00:35:44,861 --> 00:35:47,981
a set piece, but my favorite fight sequence in

629
00:35:47,981 --> 00:35:49,221
this entire show.

630
00:35:49,461 --> 00:35:51,351
>> Will: I, I completely agree with you. I mean everything

631
00:35:51,351 --> 00:35:53,431
about it just, you know, whenever he's, you know,

632
00:35:53,431 --> 00:35:55,791
he's at the bar, he's talking to the, you know,

633
00:35:55,791 --> 00:35:58,271
the, this interested bartenders and I'm sitting

634
00:35:58,271 --> 00:36:00,711
there, I'm like now, you know, to your. What we

635
00:36:00,711 --> 00:36:03,561
were saying earlier in the, tonight. So does the

636
00:36:03,561 --> 00:36:06,441
bartender know this is Drunken Ben? Just like

637
00:36:06,441 --> 00:36:08,421
just, just flapping off at the mouth because of.

638
00:36:08,651 --> 00:36:12,211
We also learn later about him whenever he has, you

639
00:36:12,211 --> 00:36:13,751
know, whenever he has.

640
00:36:13,751 --> 00:36:16,351
>> Sarah : Yeah, he told Janet plenty of times.

641
00:36:16,911 --> 00:36:20,431
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, Janet learned.

642
00:36:20,431 --> 00:36:22,471
Oh yeah, that was, that was another funny bit too.

643
00:36:22,471 --> 00:36:25,431
Whatever they had that moment, I, I

644
00:36:25,431 --> 00:36:29,311
>> Sarah : honestly think he had to have known when he walked

645
00:36:29,311 --> 00:36:33,071
back into like after the fight is over and he

646
00:36:33,231 --> 00:36:36,291
lifts up, he, the bartender gets him a drink and

647
00:36:36,291 --> 00:36:41,291
then he lifts up his mask. And you don't even have

648
00:36:41,291 --> 00:36:43,611
a voice modular or anything.

649
00:36:44,011 --> 00:36:45,931
>> Will: Yeah, it's just a sock pull over his head

650
00:36:45,931 --> 00:36:46,811
basically, I think.

651
00:36:46,971 --> 00:36:50,981
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, it's pretty clear as day that the

652
00:36:50,981 --> 00:36:54,821
bartender Tender knew, but. But it all happened

653
00:36:54,821 --> 00:36:59,411
because he's a bit down on his luck. He he learns

654
00:36:59,721 --> 00:37:03,761
that his the girl he was gonna run away with, you

655
00:37:04,041 --> 00:37:07,791
betrayed him. And he has his mask and he has the

656
00:37:07,791 --> 00:37:12,991
antidote. Not antidote. He has not taken, and said

657
00:37:12,991 --> 00:37:17,631
he is drinking himself a blunder. So. And then,

658
00:37:17,991 --> 00:37:19,111
Robbie shows up.

659
00:37:19,271 --> 00:37:22,361
>> Will: Yep. Yeah. And it makes the good point like, you

660
00:37:22,361 --> 00:37:23,921
know, you fell for a woman and she didn't fall

661
00:37:23,921 --> 00:37:25,881
back. What about the rest of New York City? Why

662
00:37:25,881 --> 00:37:27,721
should they lose the one person that can, that can

663
00:37:27,721 --> 00:37:31,161
help them? You know, and, and, and really, you

664
00:37:31,161 --> 00:37:34,081
know that during that whole sequence. Robbie's

665
00:37:34,081 --> 00:37:38,601
right. I mean, Ben could have taken that antidote

666
00:37:38,601 --> 00:37:39,521
any number of times.

667
00:37:41,041 --> 00:37:46,161
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I like his line. I knew the

668
00:37:46,351 --> 00:37:48,191
price you paid to be a hero.

669
00:37:48,511 --> 00:37:49,071
>> Will: Yeah.

670
00:37:50,111 --> 00:37:55,711
>> Sarah : And. And it's just. But I also. Because, because

671
00:37:55,711 --> 00:37:58,391
this could have been very, like, cliche,

672
00:37:58,391 --> 00:38:04,111
melodramatic, but I. There. The way they executed

673
00:38:04,111 --> 00:38:10,751
this in terms of character development. I, I liked

674
00:38:10,751 --> 00:38:14,681
the questioning, and maybe not even the

675
00:38:14,681 --> 00:38:21,241
questioning of self, but the, the moral ambiguity

676
00:38:21,321 --> 00:38:25,041
that occurs with Ben all the way through the

677
00:38:25,041 --> 00:38:30,521
finale. From here forward, it's very clear that he

678
00:38:30,601 --> 00:38:33,321
very much prefers himself to be an anti hero.

679
00:38:33,561 --> 00:38:38,681
Like, there's a reason, not just for a funny joke,

680
00:38:39,541 --> 00:38:44,301
but because he, he is very honest. Honest to a

681
00:38:44,301 --> 00:38:47,501
fault. Like, there's a reason why he wasn't posing

682
00:38:47,501 --> 00:38:50,341
with the mayor when he saved the day. There,

683
00:38:50,341 --> 00:38:53,981
there, there are reasons why. Yes, there are

684
00:38:53,981 --> 00:38:57,141
reasons why he saves people, but there's a lot of

685
00:38:57,141 --> 00:39:01,221
selfishness to that as well. As is. Is clear

686
00:39:01,221 --> 00:39:07,211
later. so later, towards the end of the episode

687
00:39:07,771 --> 00:39:12,891
when, when they develop the plan about the dosages

688
00:39:12,971 --> 00:39:15,771
and the syringes and they're going to divide it

689
00:39:15,771 --> 00:39:17,411
up, they're going to save Lonnie, they're going to

690
00:39:17,411 --> 00:39:22,161
save Flint Megawatt two. Who cares? and then even

691
00:39:22,161 --> 00:39:26,211
the spider will take one at the end. So I, like

692
00:39:26,211 --> 00:39:29,571
that exchange when, when Janet is so happy and

693
00:39:29,571 --> 00:39:34,171
proud of him because he's helping people and he

694
00:39:34,171 --> 00:39:37,811
makes it clear. And yes, this is a bit cliche just

695
00:39:37,811 --> 00:39:43,211
because of the iconic line, but it also, I think

696
00:39:43,211 --> 00:39:47,731
it, it's more. It didn't. It didn't come off as

697
00:39:47,731 --> 00:39:50,491
insincere. It came off as very true to this

698
00:39:50,491 --> 00:39:55,451
character, given the 40 minutes. But the. No, no,

699
00:39:55,451 --> 00:39:59,981
no. I'm doing this because, this isn't about

700
00:39:59,981 --> 00:40:03,101
helping these men, but with no power, there is no

701
00:40:03,101 --> 00:40:07,701
responsibility. So to him, he views it as removing

702
00:40:07,701 --> 00:40:13,181
a burden. Like, and it's, it's very selfish. It's.

703
00:40:13,181 --> 00:40:16,701
It's exactly Robbie's point at the beginning.

704
00:40:16,781 --> 00:40:21,501
Like, just because Kat doesn't love you or prefers

705
00:40:21,501 --> 00:40:25,301
someone else over you, doesn't mean you should

706
00:40:25,301 --> 00:40:28,171
suddenly not be the spider. Like, that would be

707
00:40:28,171 --> 00:40:33,791
selfish. And foolish to do. so, so I, I, I think

708
00:40:33,791 --> 00:40:36,191
that that was all done very well.

709
00:40:36,671 --> 00:40:39,231
>> Will: It was, it was, you're right. It could have easily

710
00:40:39,231 --> 00:40:42,801
landed flat. But I, I, I, I, I appreciate, I did

711
00:40:42,801 --> 00:40:45,191
appreciate it's true to the character, when he

712
00:40:45,191 --> 00:40:45,591
said it.

713
00:40:45,591 --> 00:40:55,751
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. and I, we'll, we'll go, we're gonna go

714
00:40:55,751 --> 00:40:59,391
back to Lonnie because they get the syringes and

715
00:40:59,391 --> 00:41:02,751
then we get another fight sequence that I was not

716
00:41:02,751 --> 00:41:05,551
expecting. And I was also not expecting another

717
00:41:05,551 --> 00:41:06,471
jump scare.

718
00:41:06,471 --> 00:41:09,311
What is it with this show in these out of Landish.

719
00:41:09,391 --> 00:41:15,591
The eye. In the eye. Oh, my God. I freaked out so

720
00:41:15,591 --> 00:41:15,871
much.

721
00:41:16,111 --> 00:41:17,951
>> Will: I did too. I was like, oh,

722
00:41:20,711 --> 00:41:21,991
>> Sarah : not the eye. Get it out.

723
00:41:24,071 --> 00:41:26,831
>> Will: This year we've had, we've had peril with dogs.

724
00:41:26,831 --> 00:41:29,671
We've had stuff in eyes with the boys and, and,

725
00:41:29,751 --> 00:41:33,591
and Sister Sage and now money. I'm like, come on,

726
00:41:33,591 --> 00:41:34,151
stop it.

727
00:41:35,271 --> 00:41:40,231
>> Sarah : Gross, gross, gross. But, but ultimately that does

728
00:41:40,231 --> 00:41:43,831
allow Lonnie, because initially the syringe, the

729
00:41:43,831 --> 00:41:48,641
needle breaks because of his powers. And, and so

730
00:41:48,721 --> 00:41:51,451
Lonnie figures or, Robbie figures that out and

731
00:41:51,531 --> 00:41:55,291
stabs Lonnie in the eye when he least expect it.

732
00:41:55,531 --> 00:41:58,891
And then that kind of sets in motion the finale.

733
00:41:58,971 --> 00:42:04,571
Because now Lonnie's cure cured. And now both the

734
00:42:04,571 --> 00:42:07,851
mayor and Silvermane are aware that there is an

735
00:42:07,851 --> 00:42:11,131
antidote which they don't want going around. And

736
00:42:11,131 --> 00:42:15,361
apparently the spider has it. So. Yeah, so that,

737
00:42:15,521 --> 00:42:17,441
that kicks it off.

738
00:42:18,001 --> 00:42:20,241
>> Will: Yeah. And then another thing too. We, you know, we

739
00:42:20,241 --> 00:42:25,131
see Ben's power, like, fail him. he just, I don't

740
00:42:25,131 --> 00:42:28,291
know if he was. And I guess a part of it, how I

741
00:42:28,291 --> 00:42:31,971
read it was he was just exhausted from the ordeal

742
00:42:31,971 --> 00:42:35,731
that he had just undertaken with, with Ogden and

743
00:42:35,731 --> 00:42:36,651
favor taken.

744
00:42:37,371 --> 00:42:39,641
>> Sarah : Because this is all within like 48 hours.

745
00:42:40,041 --> 00:42:43,721
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. The Bender, I mean, the whole

746
00:42:43,881 --> 00:42:46,321
everything, he just like, yeah, you know, he's

747
00:42:46,321 --> 00:42:48,681
just like, you know, because he goes and just

748
00:42:48,681 --> 00:42:52,361
crashes on. You know, they end up back at Robbie's

749
00:42:52,361 --> 00:42:54,341
apartment. But, but yeah, there should be

750
00:42:54,341 --> 00:42:59,661
>> Sarah : side effects for him getting drunk. There should

751
00:42:59,661 --> 00:43:02,221
be. He doesn't have a metabolism like Superman,

752
00:43:02,621 --> 00:43:03,021
so.

753
00:43:03,021 --> 00:43:03,661
>> Will: Exactly.

754
00:43:04,231 --> 00:43:04,951
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah.

755
00:43:06,221 --> 00:43:09,591
and then, the final note about this episode, we do

756
00:43:09,591 --> 00:43:15,391
get more Cat and Flint as they both kind of reveal

757
00:43:16,351 --> 00:43:20,671
why, why Flint shows Silvermane over her and why

758
00:43:20,671 --> 00:43:25,071
she chose, quote, unquote, chose Ben over Flint,

759
00:43:25,231 --> 00:43:28,351
even though at the end of the day, she clearly did

760
00:43:28,661 --> 00:43:34,181
put Flint above, above, Ben. but, but, and I, I

761
00:43:34,181 --> 00:43:36,341
think again, this is why, to go back to the

762
00:43:36,341 --> 00:43:40,301
betrayal, why you Said it. And, and I certainly

763
00:43:40,301 --> 00:43:43,301
thought it. you, you can't fault her because we

764
00:43:43,380 --> 00:43:47,261
knew since the beginning that she was in love with

765
00:43:47,261 --> 00:43:51,461
Flint. And so the moment she was like, no, like,

766
00:43:52,031 --> 00:43:54,991
suddenly Ben and her making eyes. I'm like, I

767
00:43:54,991 --> 00:43:55,631
don't buy this.

768
00:43:56,351 --> 00:43:56,831
>> Will: Yeah.

769
00:43:59,121 --> 00:44:02,001
>> Sarah : Just there, there seemed to be more history

770
00:44:02,161 --> 00:44:07,251
between them there. There was a longingness. so I,

771
00:44:08,131 --> 00:44:11,571
I, I'm glad that it was very much made clear that

772
00:44:12,051 --> 00:44:14,530
there was just a couple misunderstandings.

773
00:44:15,011 --> 00:44:15,441
>> Will: Yeah.

774
00:44:15,441 --> 00:44:20,261
>> Sarah : and that they were. But they, at the end of the

775
00:44:20,261 --> 00:44:24,991
day they do put each other clearly over Silvermane

776
00:44:24,991 --> 00:44:31,051
and Ben. but, but, and, and I, and, and it's a

777
00:44:31,051 --> 00:44:36,051
good line because they, they also with Flint and

778
00:44:36,051 --> 00:44:39,091
Cat just continue to remind you of the whole thing

779
00:44:39,091 --> 00:44:42,131
that started this. All this started the series of

780
00:44:42,131 --> 00:44:46,091
events was Cats Cat's attempt to kill Silvermane.

781
00:44:46,731 --> 00:44:50,021
And that is a truth that Flint is still

782
00:44:50,021 --> 00:44:54,301
withholding from Silvermane. So again, like you

783
00:44:54,301 --> 00:44:57,221
have these two characters who are sacrificing

784
00:44:57,861 --> 00:45:01,701
other people and other things to protect and save

785
00:45:01,701 --> 00:45:04,581
each other. Even though to each other's face

786
00:45:04,581 --> 00:45:07,581
they're like, I can only protect you so much and I

787
00:45:07,581 --> 00:45:10,021
have this leverage just like, no, I secretly love

788
00:45:10,021 --> 00:45:16,351
you. and that brings us to the final episode. The

789
00:45:16,351 --> 00:45:18,071
man in the Mask. G Wiz.

790
00:45:18,071 --> 00:45:20,311
What's it down on? The select private investigator

791
00:45:20,311 --> 00:45:26,511
to do will take us through this opening sequence

792
00:45:26,511 --> 00:45:28,751
with the club and the call.

793
00:45:30,511 --> 00:45:35,821
>> Will: Yeah, so I, you know, we, well, that was. We have,

794
00:45:36,061 --> 00:45:40,021
we get, we get the call and, and you know, so

795
00:45:40,021 --> 00:45:42,301
basically there are several things going on here.

796
00:45:43,951 --> 00:45:46,751
Been right. You know, Silver Main still employs

797
00:45:46,751 --> 00:45:52,561
Ben and they, you know, Ben. And he wanted to get,

798
00:45:54,561 --> 00:45:57,271
you know, he wanted to get the Spider. yeah. And,

799
00:45:57,511 --> 00:46:00,711
and, and so I really. So I touched on it earlier

800
00:46:01,031 --> 00:46:03,951
about the, the negotiations and stuff. So of

801
00:46:03,951 --> 00:46:06,631
course, fast forward, cut to the chase. Ben does

802
00:46:06,631 --> 00:46:10,491
show up at the alcove and they're having a

803
00:46:10,491 --> 00:46:13,651
discussion there. And, and what was.

804
00:46:13,651 --> 00:46:16,131
>> Sarah : So what are they negotiating?

805
00:46:16,931 --> 00:46:19,811
>> Will: They were negotiating. Well, let's see. There are

806
00:46:19,811 --> 00:46:22,611
a couple. They were negotiating. Well,

807
00:46:24,451 --> 00:46:26,451
>> Sarah : for Ben to call the spider.

808
00:46:26,691 --> 00:46:27,731
>> Will: To call the Spider.

809
00:46:27,891 --> 00:46:31,651
>> Sarah : To just call him. For Ben Riley to call the

810
00:46:31,651 --> 00:46:32,531
spider. Continue.

811
00:46:33,231 --> 00:46:35,711
>> Will: Yeah, Ben rally to call the Spider. And then it

812
00:46:35,711 --> 00:46:37,571
went back and forth as far as the money. And then,

813
00:46:38,101 --> 00:46:40,261
and then, and then after it was all said and done,

814
00:46:40,261 --> 00:46:41,741
it was like, look, I would have done it for a

815
00:46:41,741 --> 00:46:44,181
thousand. Well, you know. Yeah, yeah, it was just,

816
00:46:44,181 --> 00:46:47,381
it was just, it was this great setup. But you

817
00:46:47,381 --> 00:46:52,571
know, but I liked the, with all of that, I liked

818
00:46:53,371 --> 00:47:00,661
how they frame things where. How. How were they,

819
00:47:00,661 --> 00:47:03,701
you know, how was Ben going to be able to protect

820
00:47:03,701 --> 00:47:09,581
his secret for. And also, he failed miserably. He

821
00:47:09,581 --> 00:47:12,541
failed miserably. And also what was going on here

822
00:47:12,541 --> 00:47:15,341
too was because, you know, we, you know, we, we

823
00:47:15,341 --> 00:47:17,821
did the, the, the, the trope of, putting the

824
00:47:17,821 --> 00:47:20,981
damsel in distress earlier by herself, you know,

825
00:47:20,981 --> 00:47:23,761
by Cat throwing herself out. The off the bridge

826
00:47:24,961 --> 00:47:28,361
sacrifice. Yeah, self sacrifice. And so now

827
00:47:28,361 --> 00:47:30,081
Silvermane, you know, they had that whole

828
00:47:30,081 --> 00:47:33,111
discussion between Cat, Silver Main earlier. that.

829
00:47:33,431 --> 00:47:37,351
That basically led to a situation where

830
00:47:38,550 --> 00:47:42,391
>> Sarah : I, I hated that discussion between her and Silver

831
00:47:42,391 --> 00:47:45,151
Main because I thought it was arguably the most

832
00:47:45,151 --> 00:47:48,711
nonsensical piece of dialogue there is in this

833
00:47:48,711 --> 00:47:52,661
show. Yeah, I, I just, I didn't like it. I mean,

834
00:47:52,661 --> 00:47:55,941
what you're getting at. I agree that, that it was

835
00:47:55,941 --> 00:48:00,591
very clear as day. Okay, there are no dumb

836
00:48:00,591 --> 00:48:01,231
characters.

837
00:48:01,551 --> 00:48:01,951
>> Will: Right?

838
00:48:02,111 --> 00:48:07,041
>> Sarah : So the moment Langdon, which was, was, was

839
00:48:07,041 --> 00:48:09,201
peppered in there from the very beginning of the

840
00:48:09,201 --> 00:48:12,401
episode, Langdon recognizes him and it just

841
00:48:12,401 --> 00:48:15,641
continues and continues. And then as stakes grow

842
00:48:16,621 --> 00:48:19,101
and, and Ben's just like, get me out of this

843
00:48:19,101 --> 00:48:23,421
situation. Finally puts the pieces together and

844
00:48:23,421 --> 00:48:28,141
within, within two minutes, Silvermane, more

845
00:48:28,141 --> 00:48:30,781
importantly puts the pieces together. And then

846
00:48:30,861 --> 00:48:35,701
Silvermane also doesn't. Doesn't play a fool to

847
00:48:35,701 --> 00:48:39,901
any of the BS that Ben starts spewing and, and

848
00:48:40,141 --> 00:48:43,331
knows exactly how to test it. And, and I think

849
00:48:43,331 --> 00:48:46,411
it's a great call out that you made that it

850
00:48:46,411 --> 00:48:52,161
parallels how. How Kat tested it to, in the fourth

851
00:48:52,161 --> 00:48:55,761
episode. So that. That was a very good parallel.

852
00:48:55,761 --> 00:48:58,321
The one difference though. Well, there's a lot of

853
00:48:58,321 --> 00:49:00,921
differences. But the one clear as day difference

854
00:49:00,921 --> 00:49:04,121
though, and factor in this whole equation is

855
00:49:04,121 --> 00:49:06,921
Flynn's feeling for, for Cat.

856
00:49:07,411 --> 00:49:07,651
>> Will: Right.

857
00:49:07,811 --> 00:49:09,811
>> Sarah : Because Flint would have never let that happen.

858
00:49:10,291 --> 00:49:10,691
>> Will: No.

859
00:49:10,771 --> 00:49:15,171
>> Sarah : So I don't know why Ben didn't think about that.

860
00:49:16,611 --> 00:49:25,291
>> Will: Well, and I guess that's the. I think Ben can be.

861
00:49:25,291 --> 00:49:27,871
You know, one thing we've seen with Ben, he

862
00:49:27,871 --> 00:49:31,511
probably. He didn't think of it because. And we

863
00:49:31,511 --> 00:49:33,711
see whenever Ben has his interactions with Janet

864
00:49:33,711 --> 00:49:38,291
and Robbie, yes, Ben is a good investigator, but

865
00:49:38,291 --> 00:49:40,371
it really, you know, but I think, you know,

866
00:49:40,371 --> 00:49:45,821
clearly Janet and her resources, with, with her

867
00:49:45,821 --> 00:49:48,541
sources and her instincts and everything. And of

868
00:49:48,541 --> 00:49:50,981
course Robbie with his, with his investigative

869
00:49:50,981 --> 00:49:54,941
reporter skill set are stronger at these kind of

870
00:49:54,941 --> 00:49:57,581
things than Ben. So I don't think Ben didn't like,

871
00:49:59,261 --> 00:50:03,381
think it through whenever they were sitting there

872
00:50:03,381 --> 00:50:06,021
at the table or he was just so preoccupied with

873
00:50:06,021 --> 00:50:08,541
just trying to stay ahead of Silvermane. He didn't

874
00:50:08,541 --> 00:50:10,061
put the other piece, you know, he didn't.

875
00:50:10,621 --> 00:50:15,581
>> Sarah : I just, I don't think he realized or he understood

876
00:50:15,821 --> 00:50:20,621
how, how significant they were. Are to each other.

877
00:50:20,941 --> 00:50:21,341
>> Will: Yeah.

878
00:50:21,341 --> 00:50:23,731
>> Sarah : and I think he let his own feelings cloud his

879
00:50:23,731 --> 00:50:24,211
judgment.

880
00:50:24,211 --> 00:50:25,891
>> Will: Yeah, I think that's right. Yeah. There was that

881
00:50:25,891 --> 00:50:26,771
ass helmet too.

882
00:50:26,951 --> 00:50:31,951
>> Sarah : Feels. But, but ultimately she, she doesn't need

883
00:50:31,951 --> 00:50:35,351
saving because she saves herself in a way and just

884
00:50:35,431 --> 00:50:37,631
acknowledges that he's not going to save me

885
00:50:37,631 --> 00:50:41,351
because I broke his heart. And then, and, and oh

886
00:50:41,351 --> 00:50:44,431
yeah. Just to throw this in here. I wanted to save

887
00:50:44,431 --> 00:50:48,071
Flint and I wanted to kill you desperately. So.

888
00:50:48,711 --> 00:50:51,071
But, but you know, all of that.

889
00:50:51,071 --> 00:50:54,741
Just to ask one very clear as day question. how

890
00:50:54,741 --> 00:51:01,941
was Robbie's impersonation of Ben on the phone? I

891
00:51:01,941 --> 00:51:04,661
don't think he got there, but he tried his best.

892
00:51:04,661 --> 00:51:05,741
He tried his best.

893
00:51:05,981 --> 00:51:11,181
>> Will: He tried his best. I have to say, I, I was

894
00:51:11,181 --> 00:51:13,781
cracking. Those were some laugh out loud moments

895
00:51:13,781 --> 00:51:17,061
for me. Whenever he was like trying to talk, not

896
00:51:17,061 --> 00:51:19,581
only on the phone, but also whenever he did, when

897
00:51:19,581 --> 00:51:22,171
he did get to the Alcove Club and just tried to

898
00:51:22,171 --> 00:51:22,971
talk to smack.

899
00:51:24,331 --> 00:51:28,411
>> Sarah : And then, and then like just, just the phone call

900
00:51:28,411 --> 00:51:30,891
was enough for me. And then for him to literally

901
00:51:30,891 --> 00:51:32,811
show up in the mask.

902
00:51:33,131 --> 00:51:33,611
>> Will: Yeah.

903
00:51:33,771 --> 00:51:37,851
>> Sarah : And. And trying to clearly do the mannerisms.

904
00:51:37,931 --> 00:51:38,491
>> Will: Yep.

905
00:51:38,811 --> 00:51:42,811
>> Sarah : That was just. That was great. I don't know who

906
00:51:42,811 --> 00:51:45,851
was under there, but that was, that was really,

907
00:51:46,741 --> 00:51:47,861
really good acting.

908
00:51:48,261 --> 00:51:50,221
>> Will: Yeah, I think it was, I think it was the actor who

909
00:51:50,221 --> 00:51:54,301
plays the Robin. Yeah, yeah, Lamore. Yeah, he was

910
00:51:54,301 --> 00:51:57,021
the, he was the Loki. He was the MVP of this

911
00:51:57,021 --> 00:52:00,261
season. I mean, two things about this show. One,

912
00:52:01,941 --> 00:52:06,101
because of Nicholas Cage committing to, committing

913
00:52:06,101 --> 00:52:08,741
to this role, committing to this character. This,

914
00:52:08,741 --> 00:52:10,661
you know, this, this is what makes the engine of

915
00:52:10,661 --> 00:52:15,031
the show goes. But, but the more he was, he was

916
00:52:15,031 --> 00:52:17,871
just the other MVP of the season for me. Because

917
00:52:18,511 --> 00:52:20,911
all these, you know, every little moment that

918
00:52:20,911 --> 00:52:24,111
we've talked about the last two weeks about this

919
00:52:24,111 --> 00:52:26,551
series, you know, we've, we've highlighted things

920
00:52:26,551 --> 00:52:29,971
about Robbie and Janet too. but, but yeah, he was

921
00:52:29,971 --> 00:52:32,651
great playing that, there, there in, in the, in

922
00:52:32,651 --> 00:52:36,251
the, in the. Playing the spider. But I was all

923
00:52:36,251 --> 00:52:37,691
worried. I did get worried though, whenever,

924
00:52:37,691 --> 00:52:39,611
whenever Megawatt shocked him, I was like, I hope

925
00:52:39,611 --> 00:52:41,271
didn't like do any permanent damage.

926
00:52:42,381 --> 00:52:45,991
>> Sarah : Well, he, he shocked him. And then, More m. What

927
00:52:45,991 --> 00:52:48,671
scared me more was the fact that Megawatt gave him

928
00:52:48,671 --> 00:52:51,231
the antidote. And I was like, I don't know what

929
00:52:51,231 --> 00:52:53,031
that would do to a person who's.

930
00:52:53,431 --> 00:52:53,911
>> Will: Yes,

931
00:52:56,091 --> 00:52:58,811
>> Sarah : yeah, yeah, I was. I was more worried about that.

932
00:52:59,991 --> 00:53:05,071
so. So which that ultimately leaves to Ben

933
00:53:05,071 --> 00:53:10,741
suddenly does get his, his webbing back. And. And

934
00:53:10,901 --> 00:53:14,581
they. There's a fight off. They square off between

935
00:53:14,661 --> 00:53:18,661
Megawatt Flint and an unmasked Ben. At some point

936
00:53:18,661 --> 00:53:21,541
he does get his mask back and becomes fully

937
00:53:21,541 --> 00:53:24,101
suited. So then it's the spider in action.

938
00:53:26,001 --> 00:53:29,801
and. And this. This is where I want to bring up

939
00:53:29,801 --> 00:53:33,281
the other horrifying elements. Because two things,

940
00:53:33,711 --> 00:53:35,591
Two things happen in this fight sequence,

941
00:53:35,591 --> 00:53:40,011
specifically when they're in the. The road. one,

942
00:53:40,331 --> 00:53:47,611
the grabbing. The psychopathic choice to grab two

943
00:53:47,611 --> 00:53:53,891
cars to literally create a sand witch in the

944
00:53:53,891 --> 00:53:56,091
middle. Yes, that was horrifying.

945
00:53:56,491 --> 00:53:57,051
>> Will: That was.

946
00:53:57,451 --> 00:54:01,951
>> Sarah : But, but then. And I was thinking this arguably 75

947
00:54:02,031 --> 00:54:06,111
of the whole sequence out in the road. I was like,

948
00:54:07,711 --> 00:54:12,751
lightning makes glass when it hits sand. And, and,

949
00:54:12,751 --> 00:54:14,551
and so I'm like, are they gonna go there? Are they

950
00:54:14,551 --> 00:54:16,551
gonna. And then they went there and they went

951
00:54:16,551 --> 00:54:19,071
there. Literal arm. And I'm like, I don't know

952
00:54:19,071 --> 00:54:22,591
what this means, but that just. That sounds and

953
00:54:22,671 --> 00:54:27,471
looks and. And maybe it's because, like, as you

954
00:54:27,471 --> 00:54:30,681
pointed out before, this is such a period piece

955
00:54:30,681 --> 00:54:33,281
that is very grounded. It's kind of like. Well, I

956
00:54:33,281 --> 00:54:36,121
don't know what the effects are to that. The fact

957
00:54:36,121 --> 00:54:39,881
that his. I don't know if he loses an arm.

958
00:54:40,521 --> 00:54:43,041
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

959
00:54:43,041 --> 00:54:48,091
>> Sarah : It. It was, There were a few moments of, Of. Of

960
00:54:48,091 --> 00:54:51,491
horror even there that I was not anticipating in

961
00:54:51,491 --> 00:54:55,701
the final big fight. Oh. Oh, yeah. Just a side

962
00:54:55,701 --> 00:54:59,181
note, which we all knew would happen, but Cat,

963
00:54:59,391 --> 00:55:00,831
kills Silvermane, so.

964
00:55:00,831 --> 00:55:03,351
>> Will: Oh, yeah. Oh yeah, that was. Yeah, that was a

965
00:55:03,351 --> 00:55:05,671
great. Yeah, I love that scene. I think they. That

966
00:55:05,671 --> 00:55:08,751
was, ah, another film noir, I think. The lady of

967
00:55:08,991 --> 00:55:11,591
Shanghai, I think was where that's that. That

968
00:55:11,591 --> 00:55:14,111
sequence of the glasses. Orson Welles film, if I

969
00:55:14,111 --> 00:55:14,431
recall.

970
00:55:15,061 --> 00:55:19,321
>> Sarah : Oh yeah, It. It seemed so familiar. I'm like. It

971
00:55:19,321 --> 00:55:23,001
was probably in that movie and then redone 500

972
00:55:23,001 --> 00:55:23,801
times. But it.

973
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>> Will: Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

974
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>> Sarah : It felt very classic. the. Another iconic scene

975
00:55:31,881 --> 00:55:36,131
from, this, this battle and this ending before we

976
00:55:36,131 --> 00:55:40,651
get into what I would call the epilogue, he, puts

977
00:55:40,651 --> 00:55:45,141
on his, Ben makes a choice to give Flint the last

978
00:55:45,141 --> 00:55:50,781
syringe. and. And we know why. And then he turns

979
00:55:50,781 --> 00:55:55,701
around and through the fight his. His mask has

980
00:55:55,701 --> 00:55:59,861
been damaged and. But you. So you see one eye of

981
00:55:59,861 --> 00:56:03,461
Ben and you see one eye covered as the spider. And

982
00:56:03,941 --> 00:56:07,431
like again, in other Spider man movies, there.

983
00:56:07,911 --> 00:56:12,111
That's for some reason that notion. I've seen

984
00:56:12,111 --> 00:56:15,591
before, but it's still compelling and it still

985
00:56:15,591 --> 00:56:18,991
works. And I think that's just telling not only of

986
00:56:18,991 --> 00:56:22,211
the show, but just of Spider man in general.

987
00:56:22,451 --> 00:56:27,331
There's something about that mythology that it can

988
00:56:27,891 --> 00:56:31,411
retread, retread. And yet this just feels so

989
00:56:31,411 --> 00:56:36,611
fresh. I don't know what it is. Like it is, it

990
00:56:36,611 --> 00:56:42,051
hits nostalgia, but it also does explore new, new,

991
00:56:42,111 --> 00:56:45,731
new corners of this, bigger universe. So.

992
00:56:45,731 --> 00:56:46,131
>> Will: Yeah.

993
00:56:46,291 --> 00:56:51,101
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. okay.

994
00:56:51,581 --> 00:56:56,641
One of my, my favorite lines or exchanges in in

995
00:56:56,641 --> 00:56:59,721
the show happened in this episode. And it's

996
00:56:59,721 --> 00:57:03,641
between Cat and Ben at the end. It's one thing to

997
00:57:03,641 --> 00:57:06,481
use the guys, another to keep him on the hook

998
00:57:06,481 --> 00:57:11,031
while you still got. While you've set sail. Go to

999
00:57:11,031 --> 00:57:14,231
hell. I have. And then keeping it warm for you.

1000
00:57:16,391 --> 00:57:20,111
Wow. Ben not only got his heart broken, but he's

1001
00:57:20,111 --> 00:57:26,511
like a vengeful ex lover. My God, you were in love

1002
00:57:26,511 --> 00:57:30,361
with her for all of maybe, three days, four days.

1003
00:57:30,441 --> 00:57:32,441
I'm so confused here.

1004
00:57:32,521 --> 00:57:36,721
>> Will: But okay, yeah, he was bitter, but. Yeah, but,

1005
00:57:36,721 --> 00:57:41,301
yeah, but you know, he, you know, he, he opened

1006
00:57:41,301 --> 00:57:43,611
his heart, because. Especially after what happened

1007
00:57:43,611 --> 00:57:47,931
with Ruby. So I think he, he, he was just

1008
00:57:48,011 --> 00:57:52,311
genuinely hurt. and like. But he was also very,

1009
00:57:52,311 --> 00:58:00,511
very delusional as far as not. But you know, but I

1010
00:58:00,511 --> 00:58:00,791
mean,

1011
00:58:03,181 --> 00:58:06,621
>> Sarah : yeah, he just has a very fragile ego and that's.

1012
00:58:06,621 --> 00:58:07,101
>> Will: Yeah.

1013
00:58:07,661 --> 00:58:11,181
>> Sarah : So it's just, it's just funny to me that, that

1014
00:58:11,181 --> 00:58:14,901
he's all, all bitter about it and everything. Like

1015
00:58:14,901 --> 00:58:19,161
they end in that and, and the whole plane of Back

1016
00:58:19,161 --> 00:58:19,721
to black.

1017
00:58:20,281 --> 00:58:20,761
>> Will: Yeah.

1018
00:58:20,841 --> 00:58:23,931
>> Sarah : That was a great send off song. did I catch this

1019
00:58:23,931 --> 00:58:27,131
right? Robbie now runs his own newspaper.

1020
00:58:27,131 --> 00:58:30,801
>> Will: Yeah. The Harlem. Yeah, they did a quick show of

1021
00:58:30,801 --> 00:58:32,281
it, but it was the Harlem Herald.

1022
00:58:33,081 --> 00:58:33,641
>> Sarah : Yeah.

1023
00:58:34,681 --> 00:58:36,641
>> Will: Whenever. Yeah. And then of course, you know, and

1024
00:58:36,641 --> 00:58:41,441
this, Riley and Ruiz. Ruiz, was the investigative

1025
00:58:41,441 --> 00:58:45,211
agency. So Janet now, you know, is now, partner,

1026
00:58:45,211 --> 00:58:48,351
full, Full name partner with, With Ben. I wonder

1027
00:58:48,351 --> 00:58:50,591
if she kept the money that he had stashed away for

1028
00:58:50,591 --> 00:58:55,051
as well. I'm sure he did. I'm sure she did. but

1029
00:58:55,051 --> 00:58:57,851
yeah, yeah, I mean it was. Yeah, it was a very

1030
00:58:57,851 --> 00:59:01,711
satisfying finale. you know, Mega Watt got his.

1031
00:59:01,711 --> 00:59:05,321
And Yeah, I'm. I don't know if there'll be a

1032
00:59:05,321 --> 00:59:07,752
season two. I hope there is. but, but if not, I

1033
00:59:07,752 --> 00:59:11,312
mean, I, I walk away from the show very satisfied.

1034
00:59:11,312 --> 00:59:15,722
I mean, I did not know what to expect. whenever

1035
00:59:15,722 --> 00:59:18,312
we, you know, we went back and forth about

1036
00:59:18,792 --> 00:59:22,152
covering it now or, or pushing it Off. I'm so glad

1037
00:59:22,152 --> 00:59:22,952
we covered it now.

1038
00:59:24,792 --> 00:59:28,842
>> Sarah : Yeah, I, I enjoy this show. I think it's a very

1039
00:59:28,842 --> 00:59:32,321
solid. I'm glad that we were able to split it half

1040
00:59:32,321 --> 00:59:39,842
and half. Yeah, yeah, I, I also I think it

1041
00:59:39,842 --> 00:59:45,082
deserves a second season. Not because I mainly

1042
00:59:45,082 --> 00:59:49,182
just to see another adventure, occur in this

1043
00:59:49,182 --> 00:59:52,782
universe. I mean there was more than four guys at

1044
00:59:52,782 --> 00:59:53,382
that camp.

1045
00:59:53,942 --> 00:59:55,302
>> Will: Yes. Oh yeah.

1046
00:59:55,702 --> 00:59:59,461
>> Sarah : There and, and more or if they, they develop some

1047
00:59:59,461 --> 01:00:03,142
other way. And, and we just need confirmation if

1048
01:00:03,942 --> 01:00:07,372
pre war, if he went by the name of Peter Parker.

1049
01:00:07,532 --> 01:00:13,172
So yeah, yeah. So there, there's I, I, I to go off

1050
01:00:13,172 --> 01:00:17,012
of what you said. I think in a nutshell it's a

1051
01:00:17,012 --> 01:00:20,292
very solid season of television. It's a very solid

1052
01:00:20,292 --> 01:00:24,892
just show, just story told. We get another second

1053
01:00:24,972 --> 01:00:28,492
if we get a second season. Great. Like I feel very

1054
01:00:28,492 --> 01:00:31,052
much like I did with Wonder man with this show.

1055
01:00:31,452 --> 01:00:35,492
Yeah, yeah. Solid. Do I need more? Not

1056
01:00:35,492 --> 01:00:37,522
necessarily. Do I want more? Yeah.

1057
01:00:37,592 --> 01:00:37,792
>> Will: Cool.

1058
01:00:37,792 --> 01:00:38,552
>> Sarah : That would be fun.

1059
01:00:38,872 --> 01:00:42,552
>> Will: so yeah, and one thing you said, you know, about

1060
01:00:42,552 --> 01:00:44,432
breaking it up. I'm glad we broke it up so we

1061
01:00:44,432 --> 01:00:47,462
could just sit with these episodes, and not just

1062
01:00:47,462 --> 01:00:49,462
rush through them as far as, you know, binge

1063
01:00:49,462 --> 01:00:52,632
watch. because there's a, there was a there as we

1064
01:00:52,632 --> 01:00:55,352
discussed tonight and, and over the last bit,

1065
01:00:55,592 --> 01:01:00,962
there's so many like levels to this show, to make

1066
01:01:00,962 --> 01:01:03,522
it grounded and, and, and and and when you really

1067
01:01:03,522 --> 01:01:06,462
do sit with some of these scenes, a couple things.

1068
01:01:06,702 --> 01:01:12,102
One, I, I've really grown fond of these characters

1069
01:01:12,102 --> 01:01:14,462
and want to see more of their story. So I hope we

1070
01:01:14,462 --> 01:01:15,422
do get a second season.

1071
01:01:16,702 --> 01:01:19,592
>> Sarah : Definitely. On that note, Will, why don't you tell

1072
01:01:19,592 --> 01:01:21,392
our listeners where they can find you?

1073
01:01:21,872 --> 01:01:25,122
>> Will: Yes, you can find me at, Will and Polk W I L o M P

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01:01:25,122 --> 01:01:26,442
O o K. And

1075
01:01:26,442 --> 01:01:29,002
>> Sarah : you can find me there too at SJ Belmont. S J B E L

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01:01:29,002 --> 01:01:31,462
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01:01:34,062 --> 01:01:36,382
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01:01:40,062 --> 01:01:43,622
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1082
01:01:45,942 --> 01:01:48,582
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1083
01:01:48,582 --> 01:01:49,422
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1084
01:01:57,022 --> 01:02:12,832
>> Will: Sam.