Peacemaker 2x3: Grass is Greener Earth-2 Moment + Sinners 2025 Movie & The Story of Music 🎬🎵

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>> Will: Music

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>> Sarah : Nerds. This is seen a nerd. I'm your host Sarah Belmont and with me

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as always is our Mr. Producer, Will Polk How are

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you doing tonight, Will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. I hope you're doing well my friend. And happy

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Star Trek Day.

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>> Sarah : So, so this is

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Star Trek Day because. Anniversary.

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>> Will: Yeah. So on September 8,

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1966 the first

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episode aired on NBC.

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So that's why it's Star Trek Day. Even

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though if you really want, but technically if you want

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to be really like anal about it, let's do it.

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Let's do it. Yeah. So September 6th should

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be star Trek Day because it actually aired

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in Canada first.

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>> Sarah : Oh. Why?

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah it was just

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how things that's how this network did it.

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>> Sarah : But that's hilarious.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. but but the

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show did premiere on September 8th so of course

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folks probably seeing all the, all the things on,

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on Social today as far as from Paramount

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and they did announce do a quick little you know,

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since normally, you know we usually try to have a little bit of

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nerd news. So this will be my nerd news

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segment for the, for the week. so a couple things.

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So it's the 59th, 59th anniversary. next

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year will be the 60th anniversary. They

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announced today that the kickoff, the 60th anniversary

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celebration, things are going to be.

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Star Trek is going to participate in the, in the Rose bowl

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parade in Pasadena. there's also

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a new animated show which is

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funny. I did a Star Trek

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commentary this week on you know,

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what does Star Trek need to do to feel relevant and stay

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relevant as we move forward and especially given that

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there's you know, there's old head

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fans who are just, you know, it's

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funny, they sound like a lot of people did like they

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sounded like my parents did when the Next Generation came out in

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1987. When people like complain about strange new worlds

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and discovery and lower decks and all the new track that's on Paramount plus

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now. But I, you know, but I, I did a video,

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you know, check it out where I do talk about

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what I, what are my five things that I think

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Star Trek needs to do to remain relevant. One of the things that that came out

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today that does, that kind of touched on one of the points that

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I made was they announced a

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animated show that's going to be on YouTube that

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will be that will be focused

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on preschool on younger viewers, preschoolers. And

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you know one of the things I did talk about was this diversification of the

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platform. And so this again this is you

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know, opening the door for, for a new generation

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of fans. And you know they've done this a little bit

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too with Star Trek Prodigy that came out a few years ago.

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but unfortunately it only has only had two

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seasons before. It was only on, on Paramount.

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Plus for one season it got canceled. Netflix thankfully picked it

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up. So there was that there was also

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a podcast, audio drama

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that premiered today as well. It's called

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Star Trek Khan which is chronicling

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the period after Captain

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Kirk Sentence Khan

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to Seti Alpha 5 where he after

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he tried to steal the Enterprise after they woke him up from the sleeper

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ship. And it's chronicling the period

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before the movie the Wrath of Khan. So the first

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episode dropped today. Listen to it. Really, really good.

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I, I really liked it. I'll probably do a little, a little commentary

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about it later this week. and then

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let's see. Also Star Trek is finally getting Legoed,

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so there is a Star Trek Lego

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adventure coming out as well. And so

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So yeah, so those are some of the things that that dropped here on

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Star Trek day. Of course it obviously was a little, I

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think it was sort of like the, you know there's a lot of, there were some cool

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things that were released but I think everything really is going to just

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really lead up to the big six. 60th

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anniversary, celebrations that will drop next year. So I could

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only imagine what, what all

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they have in store and you know, as far as the original cast, I

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mean there's you know, think, you know, thankfully William Shatner and

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George Decay and Walter K. Nic are still with us. So hopefully they'll

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be able to make it to next year for the, you know, for the

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60th celebration. Speaking of George.

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Okay. He's also, yeah. He's also in the Star Trek Con

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audio drama playing Captain Sulu. So.

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>> Sarah : Okay. Okay.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Okay, cool.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : did you see huntrix at

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the VMAs last night?

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>> Will: I did not. I was.

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>> Sarah : No, I just.

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>> Will: It's football. It's football season.

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>> Sarah : No, no, I totally understand but every now

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and you surprise me when you mention little

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things like you saw and you know, I didn't not

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like I watched them or anything, but I did see

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the three actresses, they,

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they they were one of the award

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announcers and one of them,

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you you know, in the movie where they're

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talking like introducing each member of

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Huntrix. And there's the one who's, like,

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at the, the Met gala in a

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sleeping bag, like, wearing a.

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was very clearly inspired by

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that. It was very cool. It was

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very cool.

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>> Will: Yeah. I'll have to. I'll, have to go check, out the socials on that

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to, to see it, because I'm sure it's everywhere.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: Surprised see it? I'm surprised I didn't see it.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: On. On Instagram or this morning when I was, like,

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waiting to get my driver's license renewed.

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>> Sarah : I. I know. I know you had all the time in the world today

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to randomly see that, but.

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that, it's not like they performed or anything,

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but, I swear, if I

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hear golden one more time, that song, I just hear

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one second of it, and it'll get stuck in my head.

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>> Will: Yeah, Yeah, I. Yeah, I did. Yeah,

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I had to, It's still on my playlist, but I.

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I had to, like, hit a few other things on the algorithm to, like,

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not, have it, like, come up, like, every time.

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Every time I, like, turn my Spotify on.

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>> Sarah : Right, right.

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You have to outsmart technology.

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It's so hard. but on that

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topic, because we are. Because

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I finally watch Sinners,

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and where I want to start this

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conversation, because we will get into the movie, but

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something. Something that I just thought was so

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interesting

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was. And. And this tells

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me, like, we watch these things when we're

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supposed to, because for the last three

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weeks, we've been catching up on things

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that we have missed technically over the last

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two years. mainly movies.

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started with, all in very

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different ways, are.

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biggest strengths of each of these movies is the

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music themselves. Yet they use

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it so differently that

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it just struck me as being

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very, fascinating. and just

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proves that, yes,

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movie and, TV and film, they're visual

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mediums, but the.

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for how things are scored,

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which, in this case, mark my

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words, the composer. I'm blanking on his

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name, who scored Sinners, he's gonna get another Oscar.

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>> Will: Ludwing Gorrenson yeah.

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>> Sarah : He won for Black Panther, right?

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>> Will: I believe so, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's pro. He's

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prolific. I mean, he. Him. Michael

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Giancano. I mean, they. Yeah, I mean, they're just,

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>> Sarah : Well, but.

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>> Will: But, yeah, definitely, like.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. So. So between

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that, and then what we

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and their use of music to tell

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a different kind of fable. But, but

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the fact that their, their

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characters are the singers and so the

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story that they were trying to tell had more to do

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with being that kind of star.

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and then in between you have

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there is, there is that. That it

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can be hard to do to

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really bring to life a musical

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that similarity in three very

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different movies.

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and you were thinking about on what we've been

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reflecting on what we've covered over the last few weeks, if you

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also had kind of like Oh, that's

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interesting.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. So you know, so

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I did in full disclosure, I did watch Sinners earlier

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this year when it dropped. but I, I did

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have you know it's funny because I did not

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look at the

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rundown but I had a similar thing

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fault. But whenever. When I did look at our Mandel, I

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saw you had put on their.

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This very, very good point. How music

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was used in these. In these show. In

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these three movies and, and you know, and

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just how they are as far as you

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know, how it reflects this era and a community that,

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that where you know, K Pop Demon

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Hunters was really like a you know, modern, you know, globalized

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youth culture. You know, Wicked, as you noted,

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it's a Broadway inspired musical, you

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know, you know, rooted in both

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classical and you know, modern musical m

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theater and the center is you know, is that

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gospel and blues tradition, you know, tied

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to African American spirituality and

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folk history and you know, and it's just you know one of the things

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how we just you know how what we've talked about in the prior two

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films and I'm sure we'll talk about tonight, it's just how

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how music shapes and it shapes

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identity and, and also just how

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it can express

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emotions and power and things like that. Like you know I think about K

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it was you know becomes

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music is a part of act of both

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unity and even rebellion at some points. And

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how pop culture becomes you know, literal,

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literally a weapon to be used to defeat

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evil.

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at least as far as you know, Huntrick's taking

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down. At least that's what. That's my perception of it. I'm sure you have

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some thoughts as well.

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>> Sarah : No, no, no, I agree with you. Like, they.

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through the perspective of hunk. So

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like the music, the strength of the

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fans allows for

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this protection to occur.

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maybe making sure the demons don't break further

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into the world and to really shield

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and protect this community that they have

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while. While in sinners.

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it is. It is more used.

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song that attracts them,

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to that. To that place.

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a lot of detail about why or how, but

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that's. That's neither here nor there. So.

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So it's more of an attraction of the power

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and the talent. while, While,

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Hunt tricks, it's. It's the defense. So

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centers it's offense and then, Hunt

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tricks, it's defense.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And

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also. Yeah, and I know centers will get into it

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as more too as well, because I think. I

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think as far as what the vampires,

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you know, there's multi. I mean there's been multiple thought pieces on

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what they represent and stuff. And I know we'll touch on some. Some of

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that as far as.

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>> Sarah : Well, go ahead. I ain't holding you back.

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>> Will: No, no, no, I want. No, I wanna. I wanna

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know. I don't want to jump right to that because there's more. We gotta set

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it all up before we get to that.

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>> Sarah : Oh, no, yeah.

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Okay. Well, go ahead.

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>> Will: Yeah, no, I mean, I think, Well, I. I wanna. We. You

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know, one last thing on this point about the three movies

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and as far as just shaping things, I do want to. We all. I

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know we talked about Wick and

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as far as the comp. You know, maybe a

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commonality with all three is the

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for personal, transformation

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for. For our All. All our. Our lead characters

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in some form or fashion with you know, a commonality.

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Common thread through these three films. So that.

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That was just a, you know, just to put a bow on that.

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On that point, you know, with. With. With those three

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films. And to your point, as far as just, you

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see, watching things

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together, watching. It's funny how sometimes things just

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sort of serendipity where we

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pull these types of threads together with,

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With. With some of the items we discuss

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here on the podcast. So, But yeah, But yeah,

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let's. Let's. Let's. Let's do. Turn to. Turn to Centers

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proper. and just you know, just

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sort of the whole story of. Of

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Smoke, and Stack and the two. The two

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brothers and you know, to your.

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You know, so you know, of course they, you know,

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had left their hometown, gone up

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from, you know, 1930 to Mississippi

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Delta, go up to Chicago

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and

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you know, do their thing as far as, you know, working for

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the mob and some other stuff. Basically like

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take. Come back home with this

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grand plan and of. Of setting up the juke

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joint and. And some of the lessons learned in

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the. In the big city and. And also

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you know, getting to the point about now we'll bring

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up the vampires and You know

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what. So sort of some of the allegory that they were

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were discussing because one of the things that was brought

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up with when Smoke, and Stack were

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talking to their. Talking to their cousin,

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Sammy was how

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Chicago and the south, even though, you know,

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Sammy was talking about Jim Crow not being up there

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and, and Jim Crow laws and all that kind of

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stuff. And you know, one of the things that stuck out with me,

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early. Early in the film was

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the line how, you know, even though they were

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in Chicago, you know, it was just. Even

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though Jim Crow wasn't officially there, it was

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just, you know, they still

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had the same, you know the thing of white

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supremacy and stuff was. And Was. Was there.

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It's just. Just there with tall buildings instead of

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Instead of, you know, the, the think the.

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The visual cues that we got in 1932,

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Mississippi where you know, folks are, you know, picking. Caught,

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you know, pick a cotton and sharecropping and You know,

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and, and. And and you know, and

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how. Where I was going to go with the

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vampires is, you know, it is

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whenever they do show up at the juke joint

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late, you know, in mid film, and

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you know, wanted to sing their song, you know, wanted to sing

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songs and try to, you know, fit in and stuff.

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there's, you know, obviously they do.

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They. They are white. but.

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But also in the context of the time

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they, you know, Irish folks, you know, were. Were

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you know, immigrants and you know there

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was a. Still another. There was still was a pecking order and

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so yeah, they may be a little bit higher than the pecking order

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for the African Americans, but they were even

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still in. In the social class of the time,

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Irish folks were still looked down upon.

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So. So, you know, so those were

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some levels that I did think. You

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know what I thought really Worked really well with

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Sinners is, you know, was it just

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the traditional black and white? You

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know? Yeah, it was there, but there were also. There

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were a lot of subtext and levels to what was

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going on in, in this story beyond it

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being just a, just a horror film.

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>> Sarah : Right. Well,

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I don't really. This to me it's not a horror film at

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all.

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>> Will: Yeah, it's not.

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>> Sarah : Like, like we, like

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so last week when we. After the show

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when we were talking about what movie to cover,

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and there's two. There was two. And

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it, we. And, and I, and

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I asked Will, I'm like, how scary is Sinners?

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Because I, I just, I don't do

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horror. I don't do horror. And Will at

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one point said okay, we

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won't do it.

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You set me up.

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Like, I was like, okay, I'm I'm not. And

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then like the first hour I'm like, what the. The

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was Will talking about? I'm so

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confused here. Like, but, but I

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also, I, I knew way too much about this

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movie going into it and so

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a lot of it I was like,

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I just. And it wasn't like I was waiting for the

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vampires. No, the, the story that they tell

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in the first, The first. And arguably the

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first half of the second act is, Is

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really engaging and it does create,

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create a In, in

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that time they manage to within a

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day, really get you to

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understand this community, how it

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works, how these people are

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interwoven together, what the relationships

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are. And, and, and so you, you,

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you build that and then you introduce

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that, that other element that

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causes a wrinkle. And arguably

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everyone's plans. I mean even the

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KKK got screwed over at the end. I mean

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thankfully, but still, like their

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plan was out the window moment the vampire showed

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up. So but this,

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this isn't a horror movie. And you. Something that you

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also said to me, me last week, you said,

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well it's not really scary, but it messes with your

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head. And, and Will, I slept like a

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baby. Nothing messed with my head.

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so, so now you know, on the scale

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of what I can handle horror wise,

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like, like I'm good with sinners

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there really it gets into

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what creeps me out the most is. And what I really

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cannot handle is demon possession. I

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just, I can't do it. I can't do it. granted there are a

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few exceptions every now and then, but very rare, very

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rare. and, and so no, we will never

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be covering a conjuring Movie because I will. I

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refuse. I refuse to watch any of those. I will.

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Yeah. Yeah. So don't worry.

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>> Will: Don't worry. I'm not going to. I'm not. I'm not going to press

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to, to cover a country movie. And, and like I said,

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I, you know, I, I

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knew when I, when I was saying that it maybe mess

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with your head. it was more like I said. I,

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you know, I know you're.

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We've had many conversations off the

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line as far as like, you know, horror and,

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and all. And yes, there, you know, I didn't

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know like, you know, see for example,

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for the traditional vampire elements that

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did happen in this film, I didn't know

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if that would be something that would get to you,

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or not. So.

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>> Sarah : Right. Right.

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>> Will: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah

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yeah. And yeah, there were a few jump scares. I mean a

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few. But nothing. But nothing. Like

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>> Sarah : I didn't jump at all people. Yeah, I did

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it.

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>> Will: Well, attempted. Yeah. I mean,

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yeah. I mean I guess for

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me, I will say it even the second time. I think

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some of the initial flashbacks with Sammy when

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he like bust in the church at the beginning.

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and, and so sort of the flashbacks to,

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to the night night before. you know. Well,

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yeah, yeah. I mean maybe

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jump scare. Maybe might not be the,

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the right word but term for it.

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>> Sarah : No, there were. There. There were like

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clear as day. That was Ryan's intention

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was to cause a jump scare very much.

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This whole snake thing and how it was

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edited. I'm just. I just outsmarted with

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him because I, I saw the signs so I wasn't looking.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. And again, I mean

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that's the other thing too is upon.

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For me. It was the

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second time watching it. I've definitely

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knowing what I know about the film.

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It was, it was

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the. I was able to dial you

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know when, when the moments did happen. Like when for example, when

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the Chocolate Indians, Native Americans came to,

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to that. To that house, when they were chasing down

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remicks. I mean there were, there were like. They were like the

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nice. I was able to really appreciate the

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details that I wasn't. You know, obviously, you know,

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now that I'm familiar with the story now I can really

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get immersed in like what's. What else is happening here. So

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like you know, little things like the ravens flying around and just being a

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harbinger for death and, and, and then

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just, and, and you know, getting back to our earlier point about

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the music. I you know, it. This.

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The score blew me Away the first time around. M.

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But this time, around

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it was even more so. Especially like

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the scene, where, When.

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I mean, there are two. Obviously there are two big moments. The one

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obviously is where Sammy's, playing.

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the first, you know, whenever he gets introduced to the crowd in the juke

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joint and they have the. Have the,

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Moment where they literally go through time,

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as far as the different style in a

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different eras. And he's piercing the veil

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of time and space and music and everything

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that really. Even more so

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seeing all.

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All of that and like the, you know, some of the other,

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you know, some of the cultural things that

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I missed M. In other cultures that I saw the first

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time around. But really I was like, oh, yeah, now I. You know, I see. I saw.

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There's a lot more this time around. And then. But

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the scene, the next one where,

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Where the young lady that Sammy hooked up with. I forgot

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her. I can't remember her name.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. But whenever. Whenever

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she was. They. Whenever they were beating the dude up in the back

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and. And the, It hit me

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the first. When I watched it the first time. It. It was.

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I. It worked. Then it even

509
00:24:23,130 --> 00:24:25,970
m. More so this time as far as. Just like how.

510
00:24:27,010 --> 00:24:29,930
How the dance, how the beats, how the. How

511
00:24:29,930 --> 00:24:32,650
they were beaten up to dude. Everything just really. This.

512
00:24:32,650 --> 00:24:35,450
Really, really just. Just the visceral nature of

513
00:24:35,450 --> 00:24:38,050
it and the. And the power of again of music,

514
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,580
to tell a story and, For, you know,

515
00:24:41,580 --> 00:24:44,420
where there is a good thing or bad things happening. You

516
00:24:44,420 --> 00:24:47,340
know, it. It really, you know, really

517
00:24:47,340 --> 00:24:50,140
reflected that. And again, it just really gets to the heart of, like.

518
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,160
While Ludwig, as we were saying, this is such a

519
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,040
tremendous composer who probably will get nominated again

520
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,320
for an Academy Award for this.

521
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:58,280
>> Sarah : No, he's gonna win.

522
00:24:58,920 --> 00:24:59,400
>> Will: Yeah.

523
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,310
>> Sarah : Yeah, he's gonna win. so I like

524
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:04,630
how you talk. Brought up probably in the most

525
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:07,340
controversial scene, in the movie

526
00:25:07,580 --> 00:25:09,820
and didn't let me talk, but. Okay.

527
00:25:13,340 --> 00:25:16,340
No, the. The most controversial scene in the

528
00:25:16,340 --> 00:25:19,170
movie, is that section

529
00:25:19,170 --> 00:25:21,880
where Sammy pierces the veil. and

530
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,760
it's controversial not because of the sound but because of

531
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,750
the visuals. And, for me, it didn't work.

532
00:25:27,910 --> 00:25:30,550
I'm just gonna call a spade a spade. It

533
00:25:30,550 --> 00:25:31,990
didn't work visually.

534
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,640
it just. Honestly,

535
00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:39,040
that scene took me out. Like,

536
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,980
it didn't pull me in sonically.

537
00:25:42,460 --> 00:25:45,420
I was like, there. Visually.

538
00:25:45,500 --> 00:25:48,220
I was like, what the heck? What? This. This.

539
00:25:48,380 --> 00:25:51,260
It just. I. And. And I

540
00:25:51,260 --> 00:25:54,100
hate to deliver criticism when I can't

541
00:25:54,100 --> 00:25:56,900
say this is what they should have done, and I

542
00:25:56,900 --> 00:25:59,860
don't have that. I don't know how you do that any

543
00:25:59,860 --> 00:26:02,580
other way. So at the. Even though I'm

544
00:26:02,580 --> 00:26:04,540
criticizing it, I also

545
00:26:05,340 --> 00:26:08,120
can't say for sure, like, if. If there

546
00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:10,800
was another way to depict what he was

547
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,560
trying to both visually and

548
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,270
sonically. so because

549
00:26:16,350 --> 00:26:19,350
sonically it worked so much that

550
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:22,110
a part of me just was like, okay, I want to shut my eyes

551
00:26:22,350 --> 00:26:25,310
and just hear it, because I could hear every

552
00:26:25,310 --> 00:26:28,070
single change and the melding, and it was

553
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:30,950
beautiful visually. I was

554
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:33,150
just. It wasn't matching

555
00:26:34,090 --> 00:26:36,250
as gracefully as it was

556
00:26:36,570 --> 00:26:38,330
audible. So.

557
00:26:39,290 --> 00:26:41,610
And that's why that disconnect

558
00:26:42,010 --> 00:26:44,890
took me out of it. And I. From what I understand,

559
00:26:45,050 --> 00:26:48,050
I think arguably some of the other. Other

560
00:26:48,050 --> 00:26:50,730
audiences, it. It might have had this similar

561
00:26:50,730 --> 00:26:53,440
effect. but yeah.

562
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:54,800
>> Will: Oh, go ahead, go ahead.

563
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,680
>> Sarah : No, no, I mean that. That was my point.

564
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:58,720
>> Will: Yeah.

565
00:26:59,210 --> 00:27:01,610
>> Sarah : So I'm glad it worked for you and for others,

566
00:27:01,850 --> 00:27:04,250
but it really didn't work for me.

567
00:27:04,970 --> 00:27:07,810
>> Will: So was it like when you saw like the hip hop? I mean,

568
00:27:07,810 --> 00:27:09,450
what, what, what element.

569
00:27:09,530 --> 00:27:12,330
>> Sarah : No, right. It was, it was all of it.

570
00:27:12,490 --> 00:27:15,330
Like, I, I understand like they, they

571
00:27:15,330 --> 00:27:18,330
bring forward like the ghosts of

572
00:27:18,330 --> 00:27:20,890
the past and the present, like, or the future

573
00:27:21,610 --> 00:27:24,090
all combined. I just,

574
00:27:25,060 --> 00:27:27,380
it stuck out too much.

575
00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:30,340
Like, I think the clothing and.

576
00:27:30,660 --> 00:27:33,500
And arguably the dance styles, like, it

577
00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:36,460
just felt. I don't know, there.

578
00:27:36,460 --> 00:27:39,460
It didn't gel the way it.

579
00:27:39,540 --> 00:27:42,380
It should have to really mirror what

580
00:27:42,380 --> 00:27:44,100
was going on sonically.

581
00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:48,260
>> Will: Yeah, I, I hear that. And

582
00:27:48,340 --> 00:27:50,560
you know, as. As we. I think

583
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,720
to hearing what you just said there and thinking about

584
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,480
what Remick. What his

585
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,450
goal was, as far as

586
00:28:00,810 --> 00:28:03,370
his. Some of his motivations are, you know, wanting

587
00:28:03,370 --> 00:28:06,170
Sammy's. Sammy's voice and Sammy's soul.

588
00:28:06,890 --> 00:28:09,730
I, I think linking those two

589
00:28:09,730 --> 00:28:12,570
together, I think is where it, you

590
00:28:12,570 --> 00:28:15,370
know, as far as like that. That

591
00:28:15,370 --> 00:28:17,290
timeless nature of just

592
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,040
like to your point about sound and, and the

593
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,000
auditory experience of just when you real.

594
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,000
When. When a song or something just really, really just hits

595
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,920
your soul. I think that. I

596
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,890
think that's where it maybe, Like you said, maybe if you

597
00:28:32,890 --> 00:28:35,810
like, if you just close your eyes and stuff and not watch the,

598
00:28:35,810 --> 00:28:38,810
the right of it. Yeah, so I, I see what

599
00:28:38,810 --> 00:28:41,130
you're. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

600
00:28:41,130 --> 00:28:43,970
>> Sarah : I mean, I mean, remix motivation was

601
00:28:43,970 --> 00:28:46,910
clear. Clear. And they set it up from the very beginning

602
00:28:46,910 --> 00:28:49,710
when you even hear about like the

603
00:28:49,710 --> 00:28:52,670
guillots, I think they call them. And that's what,

604
00:28:52,670 --> 00:28:55,230
that's what Sammy is. And,

605
00:28:55,390 --> 00:28:58,350
And. And you can hear it and they, they tease it

606
00:28:58,430 --> 00:29:00,830
also when he's in the car with Stack.

607
00:29:01,070 --> 00:29:03,090
And. And he sings Traveling Ah

608
00:29:03,790 --> 00:29:06,580
or something. and. And you. You hear the

609
00:29:06,580 --> 00:29:09,430
start and then. And. And then it

610
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:12,070
just worked. And maybe what really was

611
00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:14,830
irritating is it was working so much.

612
00:29:15,550 --> 00:29:18,550
And then you started to see specifically

613
00:29:18,550 --> 00:29:20,110
the ghosts of the future.

614
00:29:21,150 --> 00:29:24,070
You're just like. You're like, wow. we.

615
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:26,590
We don't necessarily need. I mean,

616
00:29:26,830 --> 00:29:29,630
arguably there could have been cuts

617
00:29:29,710 --> 00:29:32,710
to the future rather than inserting

618
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:35,680
them in the hall itself, because.

619
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,080
Or did he even need to show it? Could you just

620
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,000
have done it through the sound? Because

621
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,960
the sound was there and the melding.

622
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,440
And then on top of that,

623
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,960
I like how they knew they could do that.

624
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,960
And so later, when it is

625
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,760
Remick and he's doing the Irish

626
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,400
version of that, which bleeds into a metal

627
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,200
section. It's. It's very.

628
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,920
It's. It's very much like,

629
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,640
wow. It takes you on a journey.

630
00:30:09,780 --> 00:30:12,700
and. And it is

631
00:30:12,700 --> 00:30:15,140
powerful. It is like.

632
00:30:15,940 --> 00:30:18,500
Like you're. You don't know. It.

633
00:30:18,740 --> 00:30:20,980
It disconnects you from time and space.

634
00:30:21,740 --> 00:30:24,660
but then when I. When I see people in

635
00:30:24,660 --> 00:30:26,380
wearing, like, 90s

636
00:30:27,630 --> 00:30:29,700
outfits and, I'm just like.

637
00:30:29,780 --> 00:30:32,740
>> Will: No, I'll have to go.

638
00:30:32,980 --> 00:30:35,740
Yeah, yeah, I hear you. I hear you. I agree. I mean.

639
00:30:35,740 --> 00:30:38,260
Yeah. And, you know, probably if I go back and, like,

640
00:30:38,740 --> 00:30:41,730
list, because I know we, had. Whenever my wife

641
00:30:41,730 --> 00:30:44,370
and I did a. We, did a discussion on it here,

642
00:30:44,450 --> 00:30:47,450
and, you know, I. I have

643
00:30:47,450 --> 00:30:50,330
to go back and watch because I, you know, I might have been like you the

644
00:30:50,330 --> 00:30:53,180
first time around where it didn't work.

645
00:30:53,180 --> 00:30:56,170
Or maybe it didn't work for her either. because of what.

646
00:30:56,170 --> 00:30:58,890
What you just said, as far as the visual aspect of it.

647
00:30:59,710 --> 00:31:02,670
and. And I. I think that is a very fair point. I mean, I.

648
00:31:02,670 --> 00:31:04,190
Yeah, I don't. I don't think you're wrong.

649
00:31:04,490 --> 00:31:07,460
>> Will: Right. With that. With that critic, that critique there.

650
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,990
and I don't even considered a criticism. I think it's a very fair critique

651
00:31:10,990 --> 00:31:11,670
of that scene.

652
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:14,710
>> Sarah : Yeah, Yeah, I,

653
00:31:15,870 --> 00:31:18,790
It. There's not much to criticize in this movie. I

654
00:31:18,790 --> 00:31:21,550
mean, it's a good movie. It's well made.

655
00:31:22,110 --> 00:31:23,950
it's well made because

656
00:31:26,030 --> 00:31:28,870
it felt so old

657
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:31,830
school, which I loved. I

658
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:34,470
was watching it and I was just like, this

659
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:37,190
reminds me of movies that were

660
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:39,550
made when I was a kid.

661
00:31:40,830 --> 00:31:43,710
And it just. There's something in the structure

662
00:31:43,710 --> 00:31:46,330
of it. And it's also beautiful. The

663
00:31:46,330 --> 00:31:49,210
cinematographer on this movie.

664
00:31:49,930 --> 00:31:52,170
Oscar nomination. Because,

665
00:31:52,810 --> 00:31:55,130
like, the Cotton

666
00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:55,850
Fields.

667
00:31:56,570 --> 00:31:57,290
>> Will: Oh, yeah.

668
00:31:57,290 --> 00:31:59,770
>> Sarah : Were the. The. I've never

669
00:32:00,010 --> 00:32:02,490
seen them look that way.

670
00:32:02,970 --> 00:32:05,650
And, and I've told you this before when you can

671
00:32:05,650 --> 00:32:08,540
pause a movie. and there's plenty

672
00:32:08,540 --> 00:32:11,540
of times specifically in those cotton fields when you

673
00:32:11,540 --> 00:32:14,200
pause the, the movie and it's like, well, that's a

674
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,720
painting right there. Because

675
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,840
the, the, the white popped

676
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,400
in such a way I've never seen before.

677
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,200
And, and there

678
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,040
I, I told you about Landman when I watched

679
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,920
it earlier this year. Right? Yeah. Season two

680
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,730
is coming, coming this fall. But and I

681
00:32:35,730 --> 00:32:38,410
talked to you about how it was

682
00:32:38,410 --> 00:32:41,130
fascinating to watch because

683
00:32:41,770 --> 00:32:44,730
like Texas is huge, but

684
00:32:44,730 --> 00:32:46,570
there's a barrenness there.

685
00:32:47,370 --> 00:32:50,250
And I, while watching this movie,

686
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,360
in the Deep south in Mississippi,

687
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,680
it felt barren,

688
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,200
you know, and it just, and it was interesting for

689
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,980
me, who. I've never been to the, the south, but

690
00:33:04,780 --> 00:33:07,260
I've, I also like view

691
00:33:07,820 --> 00:33:10,460
coming from the biggest state in the U.S.

692
00:33:12,380 --> 00:33:15,100
i know barren landscape. And

693
00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:18,060
so like that, that

694
00:33:18,060 --> 00:33:20,980
baroness felt there. I,

695
00:33:20,980 --> 00:33:23,500
I think it was more not to

696
00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:25,940
capture that. That

697
00:33:25,940 --> 00:33:28,429
landscape, but more so the

698
00:33:28,429 --> 00:33:30,869
isolation of the plantation

699
00:33:30,869 --> 00:33:31,509
itself.

700
00:33:32,069 --> 00:33:35,009
>> Will: Yes, yes. Yeah, yeah. yeah, that's,

701
00:33:35,009 --> 00:33:37,849
you know, that's, that's a awesome point that you just made

702
00:33:37,849 --> 00:33:40,559
there. yeah. And

703
00:33:40,719 --> 00:33:43,039
yeah, because you're right. I mean it does,

704
00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:45,759
it does such, does such a

705
00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:49,039
wonderful like job framing everything.

706
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:53,480
and as far as the time period.

707
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,360
and, and to your point, I mean it, it

708
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,440
visually, it speaks to what is going on during

709
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,970
this time. Better than any

710
00:34:03,370 --> 00:34:05,130
exposition could ever do.

711
00:34:06,890 --> 00:34:09,100
>> Sarah : Well, I, I think there's a lot of

712
00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:11,740
exposition in this, in this movie. But the

713
00:34:11,740 --> 00:34:14,480
brilliance of the writing is it doesn't feel, feel

714
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,240
like exposition position. It

715
00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:20,000
feels like natural conversations where pieces of

716
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,520
information and motivations are being

717
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,720
explained very plainly.

718
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:29,190
so, so it's like,

719
00:34:29,749 --> 00:34:32,630
like I, I think all the pieces, it's, it's

720
00:34:32,630 --> 00:34:35,030
a machine. Everything's working together.

721
00:34:35,950 --> 00:34:38,350
and, and that's why this movie

722
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:41,910
received the praise and adoration that it

723
00:34:41,910 --> 00:34:44,400
did. for that and for numerous

724
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,040
reasons. The, the other thing

725
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,320
that I'm, I'm just gonna call out right now.

726
00:34:50,780 --> 00:34:53,270
Miles. Captain, where have you been?

727
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:54,470
>> Will: Yep.

728
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:57,240
>> Sarah : And I love you because you stole this

729
00:34:57,240 --> 00:34:59,080
movie from Michael B. Jordan.

730
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,320
Oh my God. Also, also,

731
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,040
what is with the voice? Every

732
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,840
single time I was like, I was like, the

733
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,680
voice ain't matching the face, but I'm not

734
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,520
mad at it. But it's also like, I'm not

735
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,920
talking just about his singing voice. No, his,

736
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,600
his everyday voice. I'm like,

737
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,840
really? That's fascinating.

738
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:27,570
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. I you know, I do

739
00:35:27,570 --> 00:35:30,200
live in the south and, and, and, and

740
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,280
so his voice, I

741
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,200
mean, and it just, every, just. And

742
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,120
also Delo. I mean even, I mean even

743
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,000
Michael B. Jordan. I mean there were, there were just. I,

744
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,000
I felt like I was like when I was watching this film, a lot of times

745
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,160
I felt like I was going back to my youth

746
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,360
hearing, hearing like the great uncles and you

747
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,280
know, the cookout and like it

748
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,560
just, it just, it brought back,

749
00:35:56,070 --> 00:35:58,390
and it brought back a lot of like

750
00:35:58,950 --> 00:36:01,950
memories and you know, when they're talking about the catfish

751
00:36:01,950 --> 00:36:04,790
and I mean, so there's just, so there were just

752
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:07,630
so many elements of this film that

753
00:36:07,630 --> 00:36:10,470
felt authentic. And I think that's another

754
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:12,710
thing that makes this movie work.

755
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:15,990
Yeah, especially the first. For, especially the first.

756
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:19,750
In particular the first

757
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:22,390
half of it. you know,

758
00:36:23,350 --> 00:36:26,310
it's just that, the authenticity and, and

759
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:29,390
like you said as well, it's just like. I loved what

760
00:36:29,390 --> 00:36:32,310
you said. I mean it did, you know, it was so nice because it

761
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:35,110
wasn't an original story that

762
00:36:35,110 --> 00:36:37,870
was told and, and, and

763
00:36:37,870 --> 00:36:40,750
so to me that in

764
00:36:40,750 --> 00:36:43,670
like the cotton fields and stuff, I mean, I think, you know, it's again

765
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:46,550
hearing stories about my grandmother and things my great

766
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:48,630
grandmother told me about her picking cotton

767
00:36:49,330 --> 00:36:52,210
and, and you know, so there were just so many

768
00:36:52,210 --> 00:36:55,090
things in it that, you know, that I'm only a

769
00:36:55,090 --> 00:36:58,010
few. We're only a few, you know, only a few generations removed from that. But still

770
00:36:58,010 --> 00:37:00,810
there was, I still have, you know, there was a emotional

771
00:37:00,810 --> 00:37:03,770
connection to this film I think that also made it work

772
00:37:03,770 --> 00:37:06,730
so that even when it did the turn to more of

773
00:37:06,730 --> 00:37:09,610
the other, which I, I

774
00:37:09,610 --> 00:37:10,210
will say

775
00:37:12,450 --> 00:37:15,340
I did, you know, it's a. I, do enjoy the

776
00:37:15,340 --> 00:37:18,060
film. But when it did go into the,

777
00:37:18,060 --> 00:37:19,940
the normal,

778
00:37:20,900 --> 00:37:23,460
the vampire stuff and all those other things it did,

779
00:37:23,860 --> 00:37:26,710
it lost a little bit of momentum for me. because I

780
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:29,670
think it's just the first half of it was just so powerful for

781
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:32,670
just reasons I just talked about here that when

782
00:37:32,670 --> 00:37:35,630
it transitioned over to that other, the other. The back half

783
00:37:35,630 --> 00:37:38,470
of the story, it was cool, I

784
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:40,990
enjoyed it. But it just, you know, it just felt like,

785
00:37:42,220 --> 00:37:45,130
Yeah, I just felt like, okay, I'm back. Back to like what? I'm back

786
00:37:45,130 --> 00:37:48,050
to just the usual rote storytelling of

787
00:37:48,050 --> 00:37:51,050
like the scary movie. And, and, but then of

788
00:37:51,050 --> 00:37:52,290
course the, the ending,

789
00:37:53,950 --> 00:37:56,789
brought it back. Well, there are a couple. Well, the

790
00:37:56,789 --> 00:37:59,750
ending with, with Michael B. With, with, with

791
00:37:59,750 --> 00:38:02,670
smoke taking out the clan and all that kind of stuff, it was just like a

792
00:38:02,670 --> 00:38:03,630
kick ass moment.

793
00:38:06,450 --> 00:38:08,530
>> Sarah : The epilogue ending.

794
00:38:08,850 --> 00:38:09,850
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

795
00:38:09,850 --> 00:38:12,370
>> Sarah : No, no, no, I'm I'm calling that the

796
00:38:12,370 --> 00:38:13,890
epilogue ending because

797
00:38:15,090 --> 00:38:17,930
it felt like the movie was over. And then all of a

798
00:38:17,930 --> 00:38:20,930
sudden you got the KKK showing up and you're just like,

799
00:38:20,930 --> 00:38:23,890
you're like, oh, we're still, we're still doing this. Okay.

800
00:38:24,290 --> 00:38:26,850
But yeah, but yeah, looking

801
00:38:27,010 --> 00:38:29,570
at it in terms of the twins,

802
00:38:31,010 --> 00:38:33,960
you got the, the movie, you got two love

803
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,830
stories going on. and so

804
00:38:36,990 --> 00:38:39,910
it makes sense. And, and I told

805
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:42,790
Will this earlier, but no, this is

806
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:45,670
my first time watching the movie. But when the movie first

807
00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:48,570
came out, I did watch the mid credits scene

808
00:38:48,570 --> 00:38:51,410
on Tick Tock. So

809
00:38:51,410 --> 00:38:54,210
I already knew. I already knew.

810
00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:57,290
Which, which is another reason why I think the third

811
00:38:57,290 --> 00:39:00,010
act is kind of the weakest act. Just because, because

812
00:39:00,650 --> 00:39:03,290
I, I still want to. I still want an

813
00:39:03,290 --> 00:39:06,170
explanation of how Mary specifically

814
00:39:06,170 --> 00:39:09,130
made it out alive. M. And didn't

815
00:39:09,130 --> 00:39:11,450
go into the sun like everyone else.

816
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:14,670
so there was, there's some, there's

817
00:39:14,670 --> 00:39:17,350
some things that were not explained fully. But.

818
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:20,470
But back to what I was trying to get at is,

819
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:22,020
the two love stories,

820
00:39:23,380 --> 00:39:25,890
they kind of, they definitely

821
00:39:25,890 --> 00:39:28,810
foreshadow ultimately

822
00:39:28,810 --> 00:39:31,530
how those two end. and,

823
00:39:31,690 --> 00:39:34,610
and the. Because it makes

824
00:39:34,610 --> 00:39:37,050
sense. Like what?

825
00:39:37,370 --> 00:39:40,090
Like Mary Marion Stack,

826
00:39:40,330 --> 00:39:42,730
they can't be together because.

827
00:39:43,370 --> 00:39:46,010
Because she is too white. Okay.

828
00:39:46,090 --> 00:39:48,890
And she is with a white man now. And

829
00:39:49,370 --> 00:39:52,170
that. That's the only way to keep her safe and everything.

830
00:39:52,170 --> 00:39:54,940
But now they have. Now as vampires, they

831
00:39:54,940 --> 00:39:57,260
can be together because they have that power.

832
00:39:57,820 --> 00:40:00,460
So they sacrificed the sun

833
00:40:00,620 --> 00:40:03,180
and, and they have immortality

834
00:40:03,420 --> 00:40:06,340
and all of that, but they can be together at

835
00:40:06,340 --> 00:40:09,300
the end of the day in that tortured state.

836
00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:11,580
So it's very interesting. And then

837
00:40:12,060 --> 00:40:14,930
Smoke, having already

838
00:40:15,010 --> 00:40:18,010
killed Annie because that's what she said to do

839
00:40:18,010 --> 00:40:20,500
when she got bit. he then

840
00:40:21,380 --> 00:40:24,060
gets to basically follow her into the

841
00:40:24,060 --> 00:40:26,500
afterlife where they get to be with their,

842
00:40:27,070 --> 00:40:29,990
With their child that they lost. And that was the

843
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:32,950
reason why. Why he left along

844
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:35,390
with his brother. Like. So

845
00:40:35,870 --> 00:40:38,870
I. Something that the

846
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:41,790
movie marketing did not really

847
00:40:42,510 --> 00:40:44,970
explain or,

848
00:40:45,290 --> 00:40:47,960
or showcase. and one of the surprises

849
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,890
were those two love stories, that

850
00:40:50,890 --> 00:40:52,930
ran out throughout the movie and those

851
00:40:52,930 --> 00:40:55,800
relationships that, And

852
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,520
that was more than just

853
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,400
Haley Seinfeld. Okay.

854
00:41:03,220 --> 00:41:05,710
so. So yeah, yeah, it's

855
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:07,190
Yeah, anyways.

856
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:09,950
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, no, I think the, the two love

857
00:41:09,950 --> 00:41:12,540
stories, to your point, with the

858
00:41:12,540 --> 00:41:15,180
epilogue ending and, and the mid

859
00:41:15,180 --> 00:41:16,860
credit. Yeah, those,

860
00:41:17,820 --> 00:41:20,810
yeah. Getting that payoff, of. Of the, of those

861
00:41:20,810 --> 00:41:23,420
stories, was a pleasant surprise,

862
00:41:23,830 --> 00:41:26,500
given, given how, like I said,

863
00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:29,110
whenever. Whenever they do have the big

864
00:41:29,110 --> 00:41:32,070
showdown with Remic and all that Kind of stuff, you know. Yeah, I

865
00:41:32,070 --> 00:41:34,990
mean, yeah, it had to happen. and yeah, they you know, and,

866
00:41:35,230 --> 00:41:38,030
and the, the KKK coming back and having

867
00:41:38,030 --> 00:41:40,760
the big shootout and everything. it was,

868
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,480
it was, yeah, it was a kick ass moment. It was a,

869
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:46,360
but it was also, it was the

870
00:41:47,950 --> 00:41:50,840
it was the fitting in for Smoke, so that

871
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,640
he could, that was you know,

872
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,600
to you know, given that that was his way of just

873
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,290
getting freedom from, from this mortal

874
00:41:59,290 --> 00:42:02,210
plane and all the things that he was doing, you know, all basically

875
00:42:02,290 --> 00:42:05,280
the 1930s south. and, and

876
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,920
so, you know, so he definitely had his freedom, which,

877
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,400
you know, but, and then to your point, like you said,

878
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,610
yeah, Mary and Stack are

879
00:42:13,610 --> 00:42:16,250
free in some regards, but they're also still

880
00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:19,130
imprisoned in this state

881
00:42:19,130 --> 00:42:21,570
where they can't enjoy it. Cannot enjoy

882
00:42:22,020 --> 00:42:24,790
son. And, and Stack, well, you know, can never.

883
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:27,350
And both Smoke, both, Both, you know,

884
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:29,830
do, you know, lose,

885
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:33,080
lose each other, as far as their

886
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,960
relationship. So. Yeah. So you know, so I guess in

887
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,840
stacks standpoint, I mean it was kind of a

888
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,280
mix to me. It was maybe a mixed,

889
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,360
mixed, mixed, mixed blessing, I guess.

890
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,120
>> Sarah : Well, I mean, yes,

891
00:42:47,450 --> 00:42:50,290
it's, it's a mixed blessing when he put it that way. But when we

892
00:42:50,290 --> 00:42:53,040
see him in the like six,

893
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,800
60 years later in 1992

894
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,280
at the end of the movie with Mary,

895
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,920
it seems they're doing just fine.

896
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:04,480
>> Will: I can't go.

897
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,200
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. It doesn't, it

898
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,760
doesn't seem like they're tortured

899
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,880
is what I'm getting at. Like this was,

900
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,800
this is a curse. It seems like they have made

901
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,620
peace with, with it. and, and it also

902
00:43:18,780 --> 00:43:21,780
seems like Suddenly vampires in

903
00:43:21,780 --> 00:43:24,620
92 are not just bloodthirsty

904
00:43:24,620 --> 00:43:26,220
hungry all the time because

905
00:43:27,420 --> 00:43:30,380
I, I, I also don't know the,

906
00:43:30,940 --> 00:43:33,580
like how suddenly they are much more

907
00:43:33,740 --> 00:43:36,220
demore. Demur. Demore.

908
00:43:36,860 --> 00:43:39,470
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean they, yeah, yeah.

909
00:43:39,980 --> 00:43:42,900
yeah, because they, I guess with whenever they do

910
00:43:42,900 --> 00:43:45,380
approach Sammy and it give Sammy the choice.

911
00:43:46,820 --> 00:43:48,500
You're right. I mean they are more chill.

912
00:43:50,020 --> 00:43:52,940
>> Sarah : It is there, there's, it's not just that they

913
00:43:52,940 --> 00:43:55,900
didn't kill Sammy. It's that there were other people

914
00:43:55,900 --> 00:43:58,740
that they could have killed. And, and it's just,

915
00:43:58,980 --> 00:44:01,300
I don't know, it felt like

916
00:44:02,020 --> 00:44:04,780
the way we were introduced to how the vampire

917
00:44:04,780 --> 00:44:07,380
hunger worked, like they were insatiable.

918
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:08,550
>> Will: Yeah.

919
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:11,550
>> Sarah : Okay. And then we, we go into the future

920
00:44:11,550 --> 00:44:14,310
and suddenly they're just like, yeah, we, we ate

921
00:44:14,310 --> 00:44:14,630
earlier.

922
00:44:15,590 --> 00:44:16,150
>> Will: Yeah.

923
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:18,710
>> Sarah : I don't understand.

924
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:24,470
>> Will: Yeah, but I, I, but to that end, to that

925
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:27,220
end, with, with the, with Sammy

926
00:44:27,220 --> 00:44:30,070
and and you know, again, give, given, given

927
00:44:30,070 --> 00:44:33,000
the choice. I mean, I do love how at

928
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,880
the end of the day, you know, they, they, they offer it to

929
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,330
him. you know,

930
00:44:39,010 --> 00:44:41,810
and choice was really

931
00:44:41,810 --> 00:44:44,710
like another big thing that was in this, that

932
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:47,590
was in this film. Like, you know, when we first get the start with

933
00:44:47,590 --> 00:44:50,110
Sammy and his father, you know, preacher boy,

934
00:44:50,690 --> 00:44:53,490
you know, it was, you know, he made a choice to,

935
00:44:53,650 --> 00:44:56,370
you know, to like, you know, with the whole

936
00:44:56,370 --> 00:44:59,290
religion, you know, with, with religion and, and the

937
00:44:59,290 --> 00:45:02,130
whole notion of sin and you know, and all that kind of

938
00:45:02,130 --> 00:45:05,090
stuff. You know, Sammy made a choice. I'm like, oh, I'm gonna go play

939
00:45:05,170 --> 00:45:07,970
in this juke joint. I wanna. And then whenever

940
00:45:08,290 --> 00:45:10,860
he had a choice later to you know, for m.

941
00:45:10,860 --> 00:45:13,770
Immortality, he's like, you know what? I have,

942
00:45:13,770 --> 00:45:16,450
I've had a good life. You know,

943
00:45:17,890 --> 00:45:20,730
I, I'm good with this. And, and so

944
00:45:20,730 --> 00:45:23,170
even when you do get that, when you do get that

945
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,570
in that post credit, at the very end

946
00:45:26,570 --> 00:45:28,490
where you know, where we see Sammy singing,

947
00:45:29,940 --> 00:45:32,900
this Little Light of Mine, which was again another like bookend,

948
00:45:33,450 --> 00:45:36,280
from that they had, with the beginning of the

949
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,240
film and the end of the film and he kind of looks up. I mean it

950
00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:42,160
just. We see what

951
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,000
I think it, it, to me it

952
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,720
made that moment in the mid credit

953
00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:50,520
payoff. Whenever we, we see the choice that he made all those

954
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,760
years ago. He may not go on the route that his father,

955
00:45:53,420 --> 00:45:56,340
that his father wanted him to as

956
00:45:56,340 --> 00:45:59,180
far as what his father envisioned. But Sammy made his own

957
00:45:59,180 --> 00:46:02,180
peace with fate, God, religion, whatever

958
00:46:02,180 --> 00:46:04,970
you want to call it. and, and whenever death was

959
00:46:04,970 --> 00:46:07,730
upon him, he was like I'm, I've made my decision.

960
00:46:07,970 --> 00:46:09,730
And he was, and he was at peace with it.

961
00:46:12,530 --> 00:46:13,890
At least that's my take on it.

962
00:46:14,210 --> 00:46:15,330
>> Sarah : Anything else?

963
00:46:16,770 --> 00:46:19,590
>> Will: No, I, I don't, I don't think so. I think we think

964
00:46:19,590 --> 00:46:22,110
we covered a lot of ground with this film.

965
00:46:22,510 --> 00:46:24,990
I'm sure there's even more. I mean there's huge, there's think pieces

966
00:46:25,150 --> 00:46:28,030
that, that, that still come out about the belt centers. But

967
00:46:28,190 --> 00:46:30,670
no, I'm glad we, I'm glad we, I'm glad we covered it.

968
00:46:31,230 --> 00:46:31,630
>> Sarah : All right.

969
00:46:31,630 --> 00:46:34,630
>> Will: I really want to hear your thoughts on it. So I'm glad, I'm glad you finally watched

970
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:34,910
it.

971
00:46:37,470 --> 00:46:40,230
>> Sarah : And All right, that brings us to

972
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:43,030
Peacemaker Season 2, episode 3. Another

973
00:46:43,110 --> 00:46:45,830
Rick up my sleeve as Peacemaker receives

974
00:46:46,070 --> 00:46:48,950
praise as a hero. He uses the alternate dimension

975
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:51,510
to deep. Deepen his bond with Harcourt.

976
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:54,190
Meanwhile, economists faces

977
00:46:54,190 --> 00:46:56,870
criticism from for the mission's failure.

978
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,080
this opens with a

979
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,840
flashback in our world

980
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,060
to Harcourt, and Rick

981
00:47:06,060 --> 00:47:08,860
Flag being together and

982
00:47:08,860 --> 00:47:11,580
not, not Senior, the young one who got

983
00:47:11,580 --> 00:47:13,860
killed, murdered by

984
00:47:13,860 --> 00:47:16,340
Peacemaker. So, so

985
00:47:16,900 --> 00:47:19,700
this was not explained to us at all in season

986
00:47:19,700 --> 00:47:20,580
one, Correct.

987
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:25,140
>> Will: About. Oh, as far. No,

988
00:47:25,220 --> 00:47:25,540
no.

989
00:47:25,540 --> 00:47:28,060
>> Sarah : I mean, yeah, yeah. Rick. Rick Flag and

990
00:47:28,060 --> 00:47:30,340
Hardcore being a thing before

991
00:47:31,220 --> 00:47:32,900
the Suicide Squad.

992
00:47:34,100 --> 00:47:36,900
No. Okay. And so the

993
00:47:36,900 --> 00:47:37,860
reason why

994
00:47:39,230 --> 00:47:41,870
Hardcore, it's never been brought up is because

995
00:47:41,870 --> 00:47:44,430
Hardcore supposedly does not know

996
00:47:44,910 --> 00:47:47,630
that Peacemaker killed Rick.

997
00:47:49,390 --> 00:47:51,710
>> Will: Yeah. Which it seems weird to me because.

998
00:47:51,870 --> 00:47:52,350
>> Sarah : Yes.

999
00:47:53,310 --> 00:47:54,830
>> Will: Yeah. But. But then again,

1000
00:47:56,830 --> 00:47:59,750
then again, I mean in the last episode with when Rick

1001
00:47:59,750 --> 00:48:02,670
Senior wanted to see the, See the file, I guess they have

1002
00:48:02,750 --> 00:48:05,620
kind of kept what happened in Corto Corporal Matisse.

1003
00:48:06,100 --> 00:48:08,340
>> Sarah : And, and with that I call it

1004
00:48:08,580 --> 00:48:11,140
convenience. Convenience.

1005
00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:14,180
Because she throughout season one is

1006
00:48:14,180 --> 00:48:16,660
like the right hand of the general

1007
00:48:16,980 --> 00:48:19,820
and is in control all this information. And

1008
00:48:19,820 --> 00:48:22,580
throughout this season it's like, oh, poor

1009
00:48:22,580 --> 00:48:25,400
me, I got kicked out of Argus, where I

1010
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,080
was somebody and I had a job and I had all this information

1011
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,730
and so you, you didn't. You have yet to

1012
00:48:31,730 --> 00:48:34,730
piece together that Peacemaker killed

1013
00:48:34,970 --> 00:48:37,700
your ex. like there.

1014
00:48:37,860 --> 00:48:40,500
I don't, if they use that,

1015
00:48:40,980 --> 00:48:43,900
I don't buy it. I did. To me, to

1016
00:48:43,900 --> 00:48:46,660
me it's very, very thin. What made

1017
00:48:46,740 --> 00:48:49,740
makes more sense is when I was watching this episode

1018
00:48:49,740 --> 00:48:52,700
specifically when Harcourt was having her girl chat

1019
00:48:52,700 --> 00:48:54,730
with Abadayo

1020
00:48:55,220 --> 00:48:58,180
Abadio, she. There was

1021
00:48:58,180 --> 00:49:00,900
some looks and you could, you could see

1022
00:49:00,900 --> 00:49:03,620
that clearly Hardcore is withholding information

1023
00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:06,340
about why she can't be with

1024
00:49:06,340 --> 00:49:07,300
Chris. Right.

1025
00:49:07,940 --> 00:49:08,420
>> Will: Yeah.

1026
00:49:08,740 --> 00:49:11,060
>> Sarah : And I while watching it

1027
00:49:11,380 --> 00:49:14,260
was more thinking it's because

1028
00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:17,500
you have yet to tell him that he

1029
00:49:17,500 --> 00:49:19,300
killed your ex boyfriend.

1030
00:49:19,940 --> 00:49:21,950
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. I took it that way too, too.

1031
00:49:21,950 --> 00:49:24,110
>> Sarah : Yeah, that's how I interpreted it.

1032
00:49:24,750 --> 00:49:27,510
>> Will: Yeah. yeah, I took it that she knows

1033
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:30,110
especially whenever we think back to the season one,

1034
00:49:30,670 --> 00:49:33,350
whenever she first meets Chris at at his

1035
00:49:33,350 --> 00:49:33,830
trailer.

1036
00:49:35,450 --> 00:49:38,290
>> Will: And so, so, and maybe at that

1037
00:49:38,290 --> 00:49:40,890
point she did not know that.

1038
00:49:41,370 --> 00:49:44,170
>> Sarah : Maybe at one point she didn't know, but then

1039
00:49:44,170 --> 00:49:47,130
she realized it. But the. You can't.

1040
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:50,630
I, I, I can't. If she

1041
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:53,230
never knew, then the

1042
00:49:53,230 --> 00:49:54,630
character is gone for me.

1043
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:57,910
>> Will: Yeah. No, I think your point. No, I think,

1044
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:59,430
I think in between

1045
00:50:00,790 --> 00:50:03,790
things are going well with them and I think, I think, I think

1046
00:50:03,790 --> 00:50:06,600
you're, you hit it. Right. she realized, you know, she got

1047
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,560
access to the file or whatever. And

1048
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,880
what, and, and so when that

1049
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,920
happened, that's where things went sideways with

1050
00:50:15,090 --> 00:50:17,090
her and Chris and at least in Earth one.

1051
00:50:17,730 --> 00:50:19,250
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1052
00:50:20,850 --> 00:50:22,730
yeah, yeah. And that will.

1053
00:50:22,730 --> 00:50:25,730
>> Will: What I said, and at some point during. Over

1054
00:50:25,730 --> 00:50:28,450
the next five episodes, we'll get. Probably.

1055
00:50:28,770 --> 00:50:31,010
That'll probably be the most likely explanation.

1056
00:50:31,810 --> 00:50:34,770
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. There has to be. She. She

1057
00:50:34,770 --> 00:50:37,610
has to know. I. I just. I can't buy

1058
00:50:37,610 --> 00:50:40,410
it, her not knowing that. Because I

1059
00:50:40,410 --> 00:50:42,840
felt like everyone knew that in season one.

1060
00:50:43,710 --> 00:50:46,510
I don't know why. I just felt like this was

1061
00:50:46,590 --> 00:50:49,310
known information with

1062
00:50:49,470 --> 00:50:52,430
not only that kill, but all of the kills

1063
00:50:52,510 --> 00:50:55,390
that Peacemaker has done over the years.

1064
00:50:56,940 --> 00:50:59,740
so. So I guess my next challenge for you,

1065
00:50:59,820 --> 00:51:02,780
Will, is to talk about your thoughts of

1066
00:51:02,780 --> 00:51:05,340
this episode and not use the phrase

1067
00:51:05,580 --> 00:51:07,820
they are setting the table. Okay,

1068
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:09,030
Go ahead.

1069
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:11,670
>> Will: It's the best dimension ever.

1070
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:17,500
What I did say last week, that this episode was

1071
00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:20,220
going to show that

1072
00:51:20,300 --> 00:51:23,260
the grass is greener because in this

1073
00:51:23,260 --> 00:51:25,100
universe, in Earth 2,

1074
00:51:27,020 --> 00:51:29,930
Peacemaker, is, you know, it's everything he wanted.

1075
00:51:29,930 --> 00:51:32,850
And he is. He is a. He is

1076
00:51:32,850 --> 00:51:35,610
a. Is a hero. People love him. He has

1077
00:51:35,610 --> 00:51:38,560
adoration. I mean, this is. He's on the. On the peace mo. On

1078
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,560
the peace cycle. he was. I mean, hell,

1079
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,480
I mean, ladies, like, pulling out a shirt, showing her boobs. I

1080
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,280
mean, it was just like, you know, everything that,

1081
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:50,800
that, he wanted is there.

1082
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:54,880
So, Yeah. So, it

1083
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,760
makes sense for why he was just like, yeah. You know, every time he could

1084
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,720
use Best dimension ever. And he's got, you know, he's got thirst court.

1085
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,520
He. You know, it's all. Everything that Chris needs is there.

1086
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:06,200
So, But for me, it's just like,

1087
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,440
when is the other shoe going to drop?

1088
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,120
>> Sarah : Yeah, I just.

1089
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,760
So I go back, back and forth. The

1090
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,680
episode at the end when he's getting the praise and the applause

1091
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,680
and then Harcourt runs over and

1092
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,640
hugs him like there was good

1093
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,760
payoff for all of that.

1094
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,120
But it's really pissing me off

1095
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,640
that we are. I

1096
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,480
feel like we are.

1097
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,880
We're not moving as quickly as I

1098
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,680
would want. But it's weird to say that,

1099
00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:48,200
considering these episodes feel

1100
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:49,960
like they're 10 minutes long.

1101
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,280
M. It's hard for me to wrap

1102
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,970
my mind around. Like, I can't necessarily

1103
00:52:58,050 --> 00:53:01,010
say that we're meandering, but

1104
00:53:01,010 --> 00:53:03,970
I also feel like we're a little bit. We've been

1105
00:53:03,970 --> 00:53:06,770
stuck in the same place for three episodes

1106
00:53:06,770 --> 00:53:09,330
now, and we're just. We just keep

1107
00:53:09,330 --> 00:53:12,170
moving along and. And I didn't like.

1108
00:53:12,170 --> 00:53:15,170
I don't like this whole. First of

1109
00:53:15,170 --> 00:53:17,900
all, I don't like Eagly being at, risk. Okay,

1110
00:53:18,220 --> 00:53:19,020
that's a problem.

1111
00:53:19,260 --> 00:53:20,580
>> Will: Okay, that's a big problem.

1112
00:53:20,580 --> 00:53:22,780
>> Sarah : Yeah, with. With them hiring

1113
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:26,190
Red Saint Wild who is dressed

1114
00:53:26,190 --> 00:53:28,070
very culturally inappropriately.

1115
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:32,430
Very, very. But. And then

1116
00:53:32,430 --> 00:53:34,790
Rip Jagger as well. Like

1117
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:38,500
I, however, it was nice to

1118
00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:41,500
see Michael Rooker. You, you knew, you knew he was

1119
00:53:41,500 --> 00:53:44,380
gonna come up eventually. It was just a matter of time

1120
00:53:44,620 --> 00:53:47,500
and they snuck him in there and. Yeah,

1121
00:53:47,500 --> 00:53:50,400
so we're gonna get that showdown. for

1122
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,040
sure. And, and, and also

1123
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,840
we, we could just get some more great

1124
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,610
lines. we learned some things about my

1125
00:53:58,610 --> 00:54:01,330
favorite character, a Mr.

1126
00:54:01,410 --> 00:54:04,020
Adrian, Chase. And he,

1127
00:54:04,070 --> 00:54:06,670
he apparently knows a lot of things about

1128
00:54:06,670 --> 00:54:09,110
spiders, but what he does not know is the fact

1129
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:12,910
how many eyes they have. He does not

1130
00:54:12,910 --> 00:54:15,840
know that. But he does know a lot about

1131
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:16,640
spiders.

1132
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,880
>> Will: Yeah, there's a lot about spiders. We'll see. What was the.

1133
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,840
Yeah, yeah, he knows a lot. You know, Adrian knows a lot about

1134
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:24,560
a lot of things.

1135
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,760
>> Sarah : And then. Yeah. Until you really

1136
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,520
start to quiz him and it's just like, what the.

1137
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,360
And so, so it's, it's like

1138
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,560
you knew we were gonna get an episode where Chris

1139
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,120
was gonna spend majority of the time

1140
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:44,390
in the alternate dimension that was this episode.

1141
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,000
>> Sarah : And I think it's weird because

1142
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,120
I think what's been happening for me

1143
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,400
with these three episodes is

1144
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:58,880
like, it feels like,

1145
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:02,320
it feels like, okay, Chris,

1146
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,640
Chris is moving forward, nobody else

1147
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,490
is. Or, or,

1148
00:55:08,650 --> 00:55:11,290
or we're having to, we,

1149
00:55:11,610 --> 00:55:14,610
we have to like kind of stall Chris a

1150
00:55:14,610 --> 00:55:17,530
little bit so we get our bearings with what's going on with

1151
00:55:17,530 --> 00:55:20,170
the other characters. But we can't

1152
00:55:20,170 --> 00:55:23,089
quite move forward because we

1153
00:55:23,089 --> 00:55:26,000
have to, start with these new relationships.

1154
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,000
I don't know, it just, I can't, I can't say

1155
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,920
that they are hitting the ground running at all.

1156
00:55:32,580 --> 00:55:35,220
and the other thought that I have about this whole

1157
00:55:35,220 --> 00:55:38,020
pacing issue that I've just been harping

1158
00:55:38,020 --> 00:55:41,020
on is something that

1159
00:55:41,020 --> 00:55:43,060
we talk about all the time with the shows.

1160
00:55:43,740 --> 00:55:46,460
ever since streaming became a thing.

1161
00:55:47,419 --> 00:55:50,340
This season is

1162
00:55:50,340 --> 00:55:52,460
written as if it is

1163
00:55:53,420 --> 00:55:56,300
a. Like here's 10 episodes.

1164
00:55:56,380 --> 00:55:57,180
Have a good time.

1165
00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:02,170
So far with these past three, three episodes, I could have

1166
00:56:02,170 --> 00:56:05,170
binged this easily and been very satisfied,

1167
00:56:05,730 --> 00:56:08,130
but having to wait week to week,

1168
00:56:08,610 --> 00:56:11,370
I'm like, what, what are we doing here? And,

1169
00:56:11,370 --> 00:56:14,130
And I think that's what's bothering me. And I don't

1170
00:56:14,130 --> 00:56:17,050
remember feeling that way during season one

1171
00:56:17,050 --> 00:56:19,250
because I feel like with season one,

1172
00:56:19,810 --> 00:56:22,370
it was crafted. I was like, fine

1173
00:56:22,450 --> 00:56:25,350
episode to episode, but. But

1174
00:56:25,350 --> 00:56:28,190
now I'm just like, James, you realize

1175
00:56:28,190 --> 00:56:31,190
that you didn't. I think you

1176
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:33,990
got. You were right in Superman and you thought you

1177
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:36,910
decline the same thing. But it's a Different format.

1178
00:56:36,910 --> 00:56:38,550
Okay. This is a TV show.

1179
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:42,150
>> Will: Yeah. See, I, I just.

1180
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:44,880
I disagree. I think I'm okay with still with the

1181
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,550
weekly because I, for me it's like allowing things to

1182
00:56:47,550 --> 00:56:50,450
breathe. Because I get what you're

1183
00:56:50,450 --> 00:56:53,440
saying about the pacing. I do. but.

1184
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,960
And I do. And, and one thing you have noted

1185
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,440
that I think is

1186
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,520
like taking this time with the supporting characters as

1187
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,280
far as developing their,

1188
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,850
Their stories. you

1189
00:57:08,850 --> 00:57:11,250
know, I think. I think Earth one

1190
00:57:11,570 --> 00:57:14,540
Harcourt is, you know. Yeah, I mean,

1191
00:57:14,620 --> 00:57:17,020
yeah, she, she is stuck

1192
00:57:17,260 --> 00:57:20,220
in. Stuck in a rut at this point. And it's

1193
00:57:20,220 --> 00:57:22,940
just. I mean, there's a lot of looking at, you know, there's.

1194
00:57:23,660 --> 00:57:26,540
There's, you know, I guess, you know, it's the third episode, so

1195
00:57:26,540 --> 00:57:29,260
it's the morning after the big party, so everybody's like hungover and

1196
00:57:29,260 --> 00:57:30,860
stuff on Earth one.

1197
00:57:32,130 --> 00:57:35,010
you know, I guess the, the hard, hardcore version on

1198
00:57:35,010 --> 00:57:37,850
Earth 2, you know, so, so to me,

1199
00:57:37,850 --> 00:57:40,650
this episode gave us a glimpse into, into

1200
00:57:40,650 --> 00:57:43,390
life, you know, in that, in

1201
00:57:43,390 --> 00:57:46,270
that, in that second dimension.

1202
00:57:47,070 --> 00:57:49,740
And we learned a lot more, about,

1203
00:57:50,380 --> 00:57:53,180
about that universe and her

1204
00:57:53,180 --> 00:57:55,910
character in that universe. and also

1205
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:59,070
we. I think, to me what

1206
00:57:59,070 --> 00:58:01,270
this, the pacing is doing, especially

1207
00:58:01,750 --> 00:58:04,530
having Chris, and, you

1208
00:58:04,530 --> 00:58:07,100
know, you know, we're

1209
00:58:07,100 --> 00:58:09,460
seeing the. Again, you know, mentioned before

1210
00:58:09,860 --> 00:58:12,340
how this season is really

1211
00:58:12,900 --> 00:58:15,460
picking up the

1212
00:58:16,020 --> 00:58:18,420
growth or changing of Chris

1213
00:58:18,980 --> 00:58:21,980
as far as he's, you know, still shedding

1214
00:58:21,980 --> 00:58:24,940
some of the hard edges that, you know, you know,

1215
00:58:24,940 --> 00:58:27,860
he's still dealing with the loneliness he's still dealing

1216
00:58:27,860 --> 00:58:30,740
with, you know, trying to find that sense of belonging and stuff,

1217
00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:34,160
but, you know, but holding up that mirror

1218
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,000
of, you know, basically

1219
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,920
seeing him seeing like the old version of himself.

1220
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,840
I mean, it basically seems like the Earth 2 version is the,

1221
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,600
you know, is the season one version that we met of Chris

1222
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,530
as far as just the, you know, kind of a dick and,

1223
00:58:48,850 --> 00:58:51,610
and an. And, and, and,

1224
00:58:51,610 --> 00:58:54,610
and we see in this episode, Earth one Chris

1225
00:58:54,610 --> 00:58:57,450
is sort of like, no, I don't, I don't like those aspects of my

1226
00:58:57,450 --> 00:59:00,190
person of, of my personality. So he's doing things

1227
00:59:00,190 --> 00:59:02,750
to like, you know, better himself.

1228
00:59:02,990 --> 00:59:05,470
So, so, so that's what I meant by

1229
00:59:06,190 --> 00:59:08,830
the episode pasting is. At least for me,

1230
00:59:09,150 --> 00:59:11,910
it's okay because it is allowing those moments to breathe some

1231
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:14,870
instead of just mentioning through that. I don't think

1232
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:17,750
it would, it would have. If we just went from, you

1233
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:19,310
know, all dropped at once.

1234
00:59:21,630 --> 00:59:22,270
>> Sarah : Yeah,

1235
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,240
I think it would have been fine all at once. But

1236
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,320
I, for me, like, like, we're not going to convince

1237
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,000
each Other either way. And that's not what this is about.

1238
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,430
But but I guess

1239
00:59:38,590 --> 00:59:41,550
then the point you just brought up about Chris

1240
00:59:42,510 --> 00:59:45,400
and his changing. I, I don't

1241
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,360
know if maybe this is just because I didn't

1242
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,210
do my homework and I didn't rewatch season one,

1243
00:59:51,850 --> 00:59:54,570
so, but I don't remember

1244
00:59:54,810 --> 00:59:57,570
him being, I don't

1245
00:59:57,570 --> 01:00:00,570
know, like too different than the Chris that we have

1246
01:00:00,570 --> 01:00:03,210
right now. I, I really don't, I

1247
01:00:03,210 --> 01:00:05,850
don't for some reason. I mean,

1248
01:00:06,170 --> 01:00:08,650
and, and maybe that's where my frustration

1249
01:00:08,810 --> 01:00:11,530
is also a little bit is maybe he has

1250
01:00:11,530 --> 01:00:14,460
changed and I'm I'm more like,

1251
01:00:14,460 --> 01:00:17,400
okay, well this is, has been nice but I'd really like

1252
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,160
some comedy going on right now.

1253
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,480
Like, I understand what they're doing with the

1254
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,440
whole alternate dimension and it's

1255
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,320
proving the, the motivations and

1256
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,240
like, like

1257
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,910
the whole this, the the, the grass is greener.

1258
01:00:38,910 --> 01:00:41,860
But we all, all know how that ends. Okay.

1259
01:00:42,420 --> 01:00:44,820
So I don't know. It's just

1260
01:00:45,700 --> 01:00:48,660
there's been so much build up and,

1261
01:00:48,660 --> 01:00:51,300
and really my whole point about the

1262
01:00:51,300 --> 01:00:53,460
binge model is because I know,

1263
01:00:54,110 --> 01:00:56,990
double toasted. In particular they want, they

1264
01:00:56,990 --> 01:00:59,870
got screeners for the first six episodes

1265
01:01:00,110 --> 01:01:03,070
and so they binged it and they were glow

1266
01:01:03,150 --> 01:01:05,910
like raving about this season and I'm sitting here

1267
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:08,650
like episode three. Okay,

1268
01:01:09,050 --> 01:01:11,850
what was the big deal? Like,

1269
01:01:12,410 --> 01:01:14,850
I, I, I just, I'm, I get

1270
01:01:14,850 --> 01:01:17,290
envious though because

1271
01:01:18,090 --> 01:01:20,410
I think yes,

1272
01:01:20,730 --> 01:01:23,690
things get to breathe more but

1273
01:01:24,250 --> 01:01:26,570
you get to the payoff sooner

1274
01:01:27,130 --> 01:01:30,010
and, and honestly I don't think

1275
01:01:30,010 --> 01:01:32,850
that there's so much going on here that

1276
01:01:32,850 --> 01:01:35,820
things, things need the amount of breathing that they've

1277
01:01:35,820 --> 01:01:38,740
been afforded and that's my personal

1278
01:01:39,140 --> 01:01:41,790
preference and taste. it's just that

1279
01:01:42,510 --> 01:01:44,750
sometimes it just, yeah, it's a bit

1280
01:01:44,750 --> 01:01:45,550
redundant.

1281
01:01:46,190 --> 01:01:49,030
>> Will: Yeah, that's fair. I mean, I, honestly, yeah, I mean I think

1282
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:51,870
we, we truly are, are split on this one.

1283
01:01:51,870 --> 01:01:54,780
And you know, and like you said, I don't we're not going to convince

1284
01:01:54,780 --> 01:01:57,660
each other. I mean this is why we, this is, you know, this is

1285
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,760
we love. I will you know, let, let the listeners

1286
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,880
who are listening to us discuss this. You know,

1287
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,770
I would love to hear folks take on

1288
01:02:06,770 --> 01:02:09,670
this point. and I'm sure some will probably agree with you

1289
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:12,560
and some will probably agree with me, but but

1290
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,560
I do see the change in, in,

1291
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,160
in, in how

1292
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,420
Earth one Chris is. and,

1293
01:02:21,570 --> 01:02:23,650
and, and, and, and I think

1294
01:02:25,170 --> 01:02:28,050
you know where he is trying to like, he is trying to

1295
01:02:28,050 --> 01:02:30,530
better himself and, and, and, and

1296
01:02:30,930 --> 01:02:33,730
fill, fill that fill that void because, I mean, he's

1297
01:02:33,730 --> 01:02:36,690
still, you know, going into that pocket and going

1298
01:02:36,690 --> 01:02:38,850
to that. Going to Earth too. I mean, he's still.

1299
01:02:40,130 --> 01:02:42,530
At the end of the day, you know, he's. He.

1300
01:02:43,410 --> 01:02:46,410
Yeah, it's like best dimension ever. But at some point

1301
01:02:46,410 --> 01:02:49,320
he's going to realize like, oh, yeah, you know, be.

1302
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,200
You know, being the hero, which was pretty

1303
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,920
cool just to see him like, be like, you know,

1304
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,040
we. We've heard all this. We've heard all these

1305
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,200
stories about Peacemaker and seeing

1306
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,120
him in action and stuff, and we got to see it this week, which was really

1307
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:07,010
cool. but, you know, at the end of the day, is that going

1308
01:03:07,010 --> 01:03:09,450
to be enough to. To. To. To. To

1309
01:03:09,530 --> 01:03:11,850
sustain. To fulfill him? And then also,

1310
01:03:12,620 --> 01:03:13,980
I did like, also this.

1311
01:03:14,140 --> 01:03:16,860
>> Sarah : But that isn't. That isn't really the

1312
01:03:16,860 --> 01:03:19,700
fulfilling thing. The fulfilling moment is when

1313
01:03:19,700 --> 01:03:22,660
he's having the conversation with his brother at

1314
01:03:22,660 --> 01:03:25,660
the end. Yeah, like. Yeah, yeah, that,

1315
01:03:25,660 --> 01:03:28,460
that moment. Which, which.

1316
01:03:28,540 --> 01:03:31,460
What's. What's also interesting is we're spending

1317
01:03:31,460 --> 01:03:34,300
a lot more time with the brother than

1318
01:03:34,300 --> 01:03:35,660
we have with the father.

1319
01:03:37,340 --> 01:03:40,100
And, and I just bring that up because that was a very big

1320
01:03:40,100 --> 01:03:42,840
moment in season one when he does kill

1321
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,610
his dad. so.

1322
01:03:46,890 --> 01:03:49,610
So there, there.

1323
01:03:49,610 --> 01:03:52,490
There's. I, I'm just waiting

1324
01:03:52,490 --> 01:03:55,090
for them to get to like, that

1325
01:03:55,090 --> 01:03:57,770
aspect of guilt. because

1326
01:03:58,410 --> 01:04:01,210
I, I think

1327
01:04:01,210 --> 01:04:04,090
that James. What James is doing is

1328
01:04:04,090 --> 01:04:06,950
we're focusing so much on

1329
01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:09,910
the. The justice gang

1330
01:04:09,910 --> 01:04:12,830
and the. Oh, Peacemaker gets

1331
01:04:12,830 --> 01:04:15,790
accepted as being the hero in this universe and

1332
01:04:15,790 --> 01:04:18,710
all of that that we're.

1333
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:20,790
We're almost not really

1334
01:04:21,189 --> 01:04:23,990
focusing more in. On that family

1335
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:27,110
side and the emotional trauma

1336
01:04:27,830 --> 01:04:30,470
that is parallel going on

1337
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:34,040
in the universe. Like, there's

1338
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,800
a reason why in this universe,

1339
01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:40,490
Chris has his brother, has a good

1340
01:04:40,490 --> 01:04:43,050
relationship with his father, yet gets addicted to

1341
01:04:43,050 --> 01:04:45,210
pills. Why is that? Yeah,

1342
01:04:45,850 --> 01:04:46,250
like.

1343
01:04:47,130 --> 01:04:50,090
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think. I mean there's.

1344
01:04:50,090 --> 01:04:52,970
I think there's just some base. It seems

1345
01:04:53,290 --> 01:04:56,090
with. Regardless of the dimensions

1346
01:04:56,340 --> 01:04:59,140
that these characters are in, there are certain, I guess,

1347
01:04:59,140 --> 01:05:01,540
fundamental aspects of their personalities that,

1348
01:05:02,900 --> 01:05:04,820
that are just. That are. That are

1349
01:05:05,460 --> 01:05:08,460
common to each of them. So

1350
01:05:08,460 --> 01:05:10,180
I think, you know, so

1351
01:05:11,860 --> 01:05:14,780
where our Chris is, you

1352
01:05:14,780 --> 01:05:17,300
know, to that point, I think that's.

1353
01:05:18,420 --> 01:05:21,220
To answer your question, I think that's part of what we are

1354
01:05:21,220 --> 01:05:23,010
seeing here with Earth. Earth1 Chris,

1355
01:05:24,290 --> 01:05:26,690
you know, trying to overcome

1356
01:05:26,930 --> 01:05:29,850
those aspects of his

1357
01:05:29,850 --> 01:05:32,810
life that, you know, like, he did have the

1358
01:05:32,810 --> 01:05:35,650
abusive father. He did, you know, kill his brother

1359
01:05:35,650 --> 01:05:38,529
because. Because of his, you know, his father's push,

1360
01:05:38,530 --> 01:05:41,250
pushing them to do these fights and that kind of stuff.

1361
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,750
you know, so maybe, you know, we'll, we'll learn

1362
01:05:45,150 --> 01:05:48,030
you know, we'll learn about things with the Earth. You know,

1363
01:05:48,030 --> 01:05:50,790
we've seen the relationship that he, that he had

1364
01:05:50,790 --> 01:05:53,700
with Earth 2 hardcore where he, you

1365
01:05:53,700 --> 01:05:56,500
know, where he was a philander and he, you know,

1366
01:05:56,500 --> 01:05:59,420
he messed up a good thing that allowed her to go to the good, you know,

1367
01:05:59,420 --> 01:06:01,940
to the, to the Jar Head, which was, you know, Rick Flag

1368
01:06:02,020 --> 01:06:02,579
Jr.

1369
01:06:02,580 --> 01:06:03,700
>> Sarah : So yeah,

1370
01:06:05,300 --> 01:06:06,740
which we all saw that coming.

1371
01:06:06,820 --> 01:06:09,760
>> Will: But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. but I think, you know,

1372
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:11,920
but I think using, using Earth to

1373
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,960
Chris to, to, you know, is. Is

1374
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,880
how we'll see our Earth, our version of. Of.

1375
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,200
Of. Of Chris get,

1376
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,560
you know, continue. Continue this path of self

1377
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,320
improvement. Which I think is what. At least that's to me

1378
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,120
that's where. Where this storyline is. This, this show

1379
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,960
is really exploring is how

1380
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,600
do you take this, this effed up hero

1381
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,000
and, and, and

1382
01:06:38,729 --> 01:06:41,129
really deconstruct them and, and, and, and

1383
01:06:42,409 --> 01:06:45,259
and take. Make him, make him a better man. and

1384
01:06:45,259 --> 01:06:48,179
accept the, the you know, that's

1385
01:06:48,179 --> 01:06:51,099
where, that's where I'm where, where I see where James is going

1386
01:06:51,099 --> 01:06:54,058
with this. Yeah, no, we got all the other stuff going around too

1387
01:06:54,058 --> 01:06:56,969
with the Justice League and all that kind of stuff for Justice Gang. Yeah. Ah,

1388
01:06:57,099 --> 01:07:00,009
those are all atmospherics, but at the

1389
01:07:00,009 --> 01:07:01,249
chorus it's about

1390
01:07:03,500 --> 01:07:06,300
how we get a better version of Chris Smith in Earth one.

1391
01:07:09,180 --> 01:07:12,020
>> Sarah : All right, well on that note, Will, why don't you tell our

1392
01:07:12,020 --> 01:07:13,580
listeners where they can find you?

1393
01:07:14,140 --> 01:07:16,820
>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at

1394
01:07:16,820 --> 01:07:19,811
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1395
01:07:19,811 --> 01:07:22,571
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01:07:46,021 --> 01:07:46,941
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>> Will: It.