Peacemaker 2x7 & Gen V 2x5: Unraveling the Threads of Perspective and Power

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>> Will: Foreign.

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>> Sarah : Greetings Nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your

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host, Sarah Belmont, and with me, as always, is

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our Mr. Producer, Will Paul. How are you doing

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tonight, Will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. How you doing this

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evening?

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>> Sarah : I'm doing fine. I didn't tell you, but, we got our

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first snowfall.

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>> Will: Wow.

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>> Sarah : But it didn't stick. It's too warm.

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>> Will: Too warm.

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>> Sarah : It's way too warm. My mom was freaking out about.

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I'm like, mom, you know, yeah, it'll snow, but

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it'll go away within a day. Like, not within the

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hour. We're. We're not. We're right now in what I

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like to call Juneau weather because we've been

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experiencing rain for the past four months.

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>> Sarah : And it's just been a lot of participation. but we

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are definitely. The degrees are dropping, hovering

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around the 40 40s right now. So it's between the

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50s and 40s for winter. That's like, where we

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would love to be because once it starts going down

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to your 30s and 20s, that's when, like, if snow

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falls, then it'll stay. And then it just. The

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attempt just keeps going down, so.

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>> Will: Got it, got it. Yeah, it's. It's nice here. But,

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yeah, I'm looking. I'm actually going to be

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traveling this week, so going to Wyoming. And last

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time. Yeah, we. It's funny you mentioned, like,

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the, the weather as far as, early October snows,

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because when I had some work working my way in

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around the, Colorado, Idaho, now Wyoming spot, but

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I was in Idaho a few years ago about this time,

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and, Yeah, and it was gorgeous during the day, but

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then. Yeah, but then I was in Coeur d'. Alene. It

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was. It would snow at night. It was the wildest

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thing. So I was just like, okay, I'm not ready for

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this, for coming from North Carolina. But. But,

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yeah, But yeah, it's. It's that time I was one. I

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was. I was looking forward to hearing your first

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snow report. And with, with, Given that it's

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October.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, but it doesn't count. It doesn't count. It

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doesn't count. It has to stick. It has to stick.

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We have to get like an inch or two.

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>> Will: Yeah, cool.

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>> Sarah : But that leaves us. You know what?

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>> Will: What? No, I was gonna say. Yeah, I was gonna. I

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was just gonna say, I know folks are probably

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like, is this a weather podcast? Or are they. Or

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is this a. Is it. Is this a superhero, podcast?

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>> Sarah : Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. You know, we

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definitely have covered way more than just the

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superhero genre. But, we do have, We are gonna

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talk About Peacemaker Season 2, Episode 7, the

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penultimate episode of the season. next week will

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be the finale. like a Keith in the Night. As Flag

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and Argus close in the 11th street, kids attempt

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to keep the ever increasing dangers, the alternate

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world around them at bay. And yes, I will be

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commenting on the fact that this description is

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way more accurate than last week's. I have no idea

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who fell asleep while writing last week's episode

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description. My God, I still have PTSD while

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reading that.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Well, I guess to kick things off, with the

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conversation about this episode, what, what is

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something that stood out probably the most to you?

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>> Will: I think the thing that stood out most to me with

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this episode is everything is a matter of

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perspective with all these characters. Especially

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given that, you know, given that. And I know

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we'll, we'll get into a little bit deeper, but I

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think obviously the biggest one is just as far as

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how these characters view their worlds. I mean,

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when you think about the comments that Augie

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August had in. Or, you know, as far as Earth X, as

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far as. Whenever he met his doppelganger. And and

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also we think about what, as far as the reactions

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with the, with the vigilantes, as far as like, you

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know, thinking that your world is a. You know,

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whenever he was hearing about Earth one, you know,

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he thought, oh man, it must be a utopia. But then,

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you know, but again, when it gets to perspectives,

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I mean, one of the things we've talked about,

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talked about last week was just, you know, out of

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Bio and you know, how, you know, she's sort of

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been, I want to say pushed to the back like so

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much, but, you know, but I think this was really,

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you know, this episode really did highlight a lot

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of her. And, and one of the things that she said

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in this episode was, you know, getting to the

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point of perspective is, you know, even though

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they're, even though they think that Earth X and,

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and, and their home world are, are really far

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apart and in many ways they are, they're very

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similar. So that, that's sort of my overarching,

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this sort of kick off, kick off the discussion. As

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far as when I think about.

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>> Sarah : This episode, did, Augie's speech at the end,

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surprise you?

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>> Will: yeah, I actually it did, you know, because it, I,

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I did. It surprised me in the sense that we, you

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know, because I even, I think we even said it on

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the pod. I was like, yeah, you know, he's probably

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going to be a Nazi. Because they even even said

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like last. Last week speaking about a bio. But if.

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Whenever he encountered, economists in the. In the

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kitchen, it was probably a good thing that she was

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not there, because given the. Given what we have

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seen, with these characters, their. Their. Their

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counterparts are. Are very similar in a lot of

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respects. And so, So whenever he did go there, as,

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you know, basically, he. You know, basically is

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very clear that he is not a fan of the. Of the. Of

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the structure of. Of Earth X in America. Earth X

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Nazi world. He. You know, he. You know, whenever

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he gave that speech, I was just like, Okay. But, I

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do have some deeper thoughts about it too, as far

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as, like, yeah, he's not a Nazi, but at the same

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time, and he. He also, you know, he, He. He. He

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has a very limited view of as far as how much

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power he has to take over to how to change things.

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Yeah. which I, I do have some thoughts about that,

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but I want to hear what. Hear your thoughts, about

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his speech and other things, that were. Overall

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impression.

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>> Sarah : Oh, I. I mean, continue on your point. I mean.

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>> Will: Yeah. Oh, well, I was just thinking, you know, on

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the one hand, you know, he. He makes this great

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speech, and it was a great speech.

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>> Sarah : Right.

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>> Will: No doubt about it. But at the same time, you know,

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he may not be comfortable with. He may not like

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this world, but he definitely is very. Doesn't

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want to rock the boat and. And, you know, very

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comfortable with what. That. What this world gives

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him. As far as, you know, he has a very nice house

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and. And, you know, he's got two sons and. And

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yeah, you know, yeah, I'm fighting the monsters in

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front of me, but, you know, And yeah, I see the

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injustices all around and all that, but. And. But

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at the same time, he's not, you know, he could,

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you know, you know, with Keith and Chris, His Ver.

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His Chris, he really could have, like, used this

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as an opportunity to, like, start the change, you

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know. You know, because he could easily steer both

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of his boys to sons of liberty who are actually.

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Yeah. So on the one hand, it was like, yeah, you

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know, go Augie. You know, and really, I think part

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of his motivations of. Was too just to like, you

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know, get. Tell the Earth wonders to go back.

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Because it was. Yes, it was, on the one hand was

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altruistic, but also too, again, about the

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perspective. He's. He really thought there were

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the evil ones because of his encounter with his

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doppelganger whenever he, you know, when he went

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into the, into the quantum chamber. So he was just

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like, get. Get out of here. Because.

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>> Sarah : Which honestly, was a great line, because us

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knowing Earth1 Augie, we can totally understand

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how he would have that perspective based on that

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encounter. Like, it, it wasn't far off, Grace.

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Nothing was false about that. so while you were

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looking at the speech and thinking about all of,

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like, the bigger world ramifications, I think what

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took me back was not necessarily, or surprised me,

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I should say was not necessarily his, him, not him

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trying to justify the fact that, no, I'm not in

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that camp, but I'm also not a son of Liberty

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either. I do what I do. And it's like, okay, was

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more about what. What Gun did in terms of, making

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the. The revelation that our Chris killed their

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Chris and he. His son is dead. and I, I wanted to

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explore that more because. Because. And, and I've

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said this in an earlier podcast about earlier

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episodes is there's been so much emphasis. And now

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I kind of understand why on Chris interacting with

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Keith in this world, given the death of his

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brother on the first world and how that was an

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impetus of so much of his life. Yet here we know

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Earth One's version of the Augie curse dynamic.

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And in a way, honestly, it sounds like it's very

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similar here because his dad, upon learning about

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his death, didn't really care. It was like, you

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know, that he was a bad apple. So, so it's, it's,

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you know, to go back to what Chris said earlier in

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an episode about why he. He did want to go through

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the door and leave it all behind. it sounds like

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he just, he was like, no, no, no, your. Your dad

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was misplaced. Your Augie should have been. Your.

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Your dad was on the wrong earth, not you. But I,

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I, it just that. That whole idea about who. And in

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a way, I'm glad because I love myself a mystery

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and to, to kind of have a little bit of the

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unknown, because that's what life is in the story.

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But we. Because we don't really know. We, we don't

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really or have yet to know fully who the Chris on

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that earth was and, all of the perspectives on

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him. So, So I, I was, I was much more caught up in

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that as being the turn. but then again, I mean,

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vigilantes are in the right. He was clearly

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threatening and they just had to stab him. Just

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stab. There was a lot of Stabbing. In this

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episode, there is a lot of weird stabbing. Stabby,

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stabby, stabby, stabby. because ultimately to. To

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go into the Keith of it all. Keith, who is upset,

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upset about the loss of his brother and views

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this, our Chris, as the murderer, which he is.

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well, after. After vigilantes kill his father,

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he's like this, I want you dead. And then it's,

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the. Our 11th Street Kids versus Keith. And, so I

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guess the moment when. What were your thoughts

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about the moment when, Oh, I. Okay, this may be

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premature, but I, I want to go there because

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that's where my mind is. Is running right now.

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Hall Court, Hardcourt, almost. She. She makes the

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decision to. To basically push Chris ahead and

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then when he's not looking, she's going to kill

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Keith and like, deliver the final blow because she

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can't risk him going after Chris. what. What did

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you think about that decision?

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>> Will: I. So it was set up. It was. I thought it was a

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very earned moment. because. Because it, it, you

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know, we've. We've had all the build up as far as,

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you know, walls that she put up throughout the

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season and it can, you know, and as things

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progress, they progressively broke down for

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various, you know, for various reasons as we learn

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more about what happened. And so her coming over

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or two from Earth 1 to Earth X was the first, you

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know, was it, you know, it made sense that, you

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know, because. Yeah, she, you know, she loves

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Chris, but she couldn't. But, you know, we. And we

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talked about like the speech last week as far as

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when they were in the moment and she's like, I'm

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up and everything, but at the same time, you know,

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so when she wanted, whenever she pushed him

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through and when she got the gun from Adrian to

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finish the job, it made sense. And what Jennifer

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Holland said on the pod made sense. Yeah. M. This

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is not an original thought. I mean, I agree with

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her assessment that she went on the Peacemaker,

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pod.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: When she was. Yeah, when she was, Whenever she was

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going to finish the job, it was her. It was her.

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Her selfless act because, you know. Yes. You know,

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we. We see the moment there when they're. When

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they're leaving Argus in this episode and they

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finally do have their moment where both of them

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are finally at peace, even though the cops are

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chasing them. But it was a. But she knew that by

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doing this, Chris would never forgive her because

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of all the dynamics, you know, that. Because of

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what our Chris. EARTH1 Chris.

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>> Sarah : Right.

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>> Will: Had, with, you know, with his, his brother and

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losing his brother and, and the, and the moment

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and everything. But it was, you know, but it was,

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you know, sometimes, you know, the things we do

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for love, sometimes we have to sacrifice our own

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happiness for the people that we love. And so in

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her, yes, the way she had to do it.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. She wanted to get rid of the threat.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And she's okay with, by doing that, like, they

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could never be together. But then the decision is

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made, like, nope, you're gonna go through the

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portal first. Which, I don't know a part of me.

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And I, and I get it. because I, I listen to the

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after show as well, and this is in a plug. they're

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getting, they're get. They are getting a bit

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better. I still think it's a little kiss assy, but

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whatever. I, the, the decision to, to like, take

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that away and not have it. But I understand that

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essentially this whole season has been just

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setting up the big bad of Keith, which is, is

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going to lead to a lot of really interesting

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story, in the future for them to explore. Of

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course. But a part of me also just wishes that

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would have been the decision. And then seeing how

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they navigate that in the revelation, because what

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happens, it's made clear not only to, the viewers,

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but also to all of the 11th street kids as they

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are pinning down Keith and delivering these final

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stabby stabs. I can't get over that. They. It's.

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>> Will: It.

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>> Sarah : Chris freaks out and he has a complete panic

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attack and it's a complete, like, no, I can't let

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this happen again. And I'm, I continue to be the

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problem for both my dad and my, my brother. And so

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in that. And then he stops it. and ultimately,

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doesn't even know, for all we know at this point,

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that, that Harcourt was about to deliver that

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final blow, regardless of his need for his brother

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on that earth to stay alive, even if he hates him.

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but, but I, I mean, it is true. Like, come on.

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It's also made very clear how dumb Chris is in

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this episode. Okay. He's not gonna remember to

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change the lock, the passcode. He, he ain't gonna

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do it.

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>> Will: Yeah, he's not going to do it if he can't. If he

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can't see a big mural of, Adolf and Nic Mein Kampf

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all over the place. And I do, you know, speaking

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of the podcast, I do kind of wish they had kept

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that the, the, the mustached guys around. I mean,

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yeah, it may have Made it gone. Maybe made the bit

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good too long enough. You know. And I probably,

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you know, if it has stayed in there, I probably

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have the opposite be like they could have cut that

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bit back a bit. But. But yeah, you're right. I

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mean it's Chris, you know, again. But it is

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perspective because it's just like you sometimes,

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you know, people sometimes just put. Either

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willfully or just out of ignorance or, or

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whatever. People put on blinders to the injustice

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or the thing. Bad things happening in front of

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them right in front of their faces.

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>> Sarah : Right. Especially when you are so focused on the.

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This, these specific relationships that are right

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in this world. Like you're brought in and

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immediately you find yourself having these

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conversations like a heart to heart with your dad

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and brother who for you hasn't been alive on your

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Earth for 25 years or 20 years.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And. And to have that heart attack and then to

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have arguably love of your life also like you're

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sussing out that. So his blinders. But he was also

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just tunnel vision. M. Tunnel vision. And, and I

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think that that's also why. Because this, the show

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arguably is pretty much told through Chris's

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perspective. Like why to go back to last week, we,

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we didn't notice like there were things we weren't

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nuances and little hints. They, they also did a

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very good job of making those hints like

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microscopic. But, but you're just. You were so

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focused on what Chris was seeing that you really

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couldn't see anything else. but I do love that

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whole conversation between Judo master and Adebayo

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and it's just like. Yeah, he, I didn't say he was

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smart, but he probably just didn't even notice. I

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mean, and, and I, I. That scene was good. And the

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Edayo. I continue like the, these conversations,

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whether it's with judomaster Chris or Vigilante, I

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just wish there was more. I'm always gonna want

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that just because. And, and this isn't a bad thing

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necessarily because I do appreciate there, there

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isn't a lot of wasted space or time in this show.

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but I do raise the question. I, because I don't

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remember this from the first season. Were all the

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episodes a half hour in the first season?

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>> Will: They, they varied like this.

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>> Sarah : Because these, this season is just like we. It's

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just go, go, go. It's. It's very quick. every

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episode I sit down and I start watching the next

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thing I know it's done and I'm like, what. What

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just happened?

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>> Will: Yeah, I love one thing you did mention. Just to go

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back to about the blinders and stuff. The other

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thing, as far as, I love how you made that point

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about it's told through Christmas perspective.

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Because even whenever he, like, whenever it was

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finally clear as day to him what was going on, he

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still. Instead of telling hardcore Earth X, you

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know, when it was like, you know, you know, I

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gotta break up with you or whatever, you know,

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you're not gonna like me. I'm paraphrasing. But he

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didn't say it because you're a Nazi. He did

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because he was about to bust through a jailbreak.

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I mean, and so he still, at that moment, whenever

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it was like, in his face, it was still one of

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those things where he was just like, oh.

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>> Sarah : And yeah, and he's. He. He saved Keith, arguably.

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Even though Keith is probably more of a Nazi than

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his dad.

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>> Will: Oh, yeah.

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>> Sarah : Like. Like to go to your point, it's. It's. He. He

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doesn't. But I do want to point out his total

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demeanor. Demeanor change. The moment, Adebayo was

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being threatened, it would be like, oh, no. Oh,

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hell no. I will. I cannot let. That is my best

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friend. A part of me was very light, like

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vigilante ear must hear because he might kill.

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yeah.

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>> Will: Yeah. But, yeah.

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>> Sarah : Oh, I was just gonna bring up Adrian's, line.

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What. Arguably probably my favorite line in this

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episode. she is technically black.

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>> Will: Yes, technically black.

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>> Sarah : I just. And you know what, Adrian, you are

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technically white.

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>> Will: Technically Adrian. Oh, gosh. Yeah. I mean, it's

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just so. I mean, I just really. I just really

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thoroughly enjoyed this season. You know, espec.

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You know, these last few episodes, I think really,

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you know, it brings it home for why I just have

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been just really, really enjoying this show. But.

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But like, lines like that is like, you know, this

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is where James Gunn, the storyteller, you know, he

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is a very good storyteller. And, And. And he

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didn't. And actually he did not direct this

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episode either. But, you know, but Leah Jones,

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stepped. She directed this one. But I mean, she

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did just a tremendous job. You know, I. I know it

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was another 33 minute, like, short episode, but,

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you know, it was well paced, well executed. And.

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And the moments that she got out of everyone. And

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especially like, you know, going back to, you

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know, with, Chris, whenever, they were. When he

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had the. The moment when he was having the

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flashbacks to his brother and stuff, and the

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scream that she, you know, the. The. That Scene N

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put out there. I mean, I literally like that

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Moment worked for me. So on so many levels. I

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mean, I just, like, while sitting there watching,

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I just, like, put my hand over my mouth and got

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like, a little tear in my eye because I was just

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like, I felt it, because it, you know, because

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again, all these. All these little things that

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we've talked about this evening and of course,

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over the course of the season, really did build up

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to this earned moment. So it'll be interesting to

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see how they go in the final episode this season.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : Oh, go ahead.

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>> Will: No, no, no, go ahead.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I was just gonna say, I don't hate this

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season. I'm definitely not as high on it as season

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one. And that is because of this point that I will

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always raise. and to me, I. I'm. This would have

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been better binge for me. For me, it would have

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been.

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>> Will: I'm gonna put a standing rule. No more bench.

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>> Sarah : I. I like. Like, this is just the way it's

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written. It's so much more like a movie than it is

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a TV show for me. And, and just the pacing and

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the. The fact of how everything, like all of the

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endings pretty much set up the next episode. But

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we're just like, to me, overall, like, when all is

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said and done and if next year you are, when we're

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leading up to season three and you go and you end

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up binging season two. Tell me if I'm right.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I don't know if they're. Yeah, I think

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it's on. I, think right now it's uncertain as far

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as whether or not it's going to be a third season.

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I know James said that, ah, these characters are

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going to show up obviously in other. Other DC

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Studio properties, but as of now, I haven't seen

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anything about whether or not it's a third season

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is confirmed or yet or not. But I hope. I hope so.

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but, Yeah, but like I said, I mean, I know, you

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know, speaking of which, I know we did get a. We

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get. We did get another tie with, with, Sydney,

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you know, Lex's little henchmen showing up and,

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you know, we got a little tie in to the, you know.

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Yeah. Where this will clearly lead into, you know,

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Superman 2. but the other thing too, I know I did

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want to go back. I know we talked a little bit

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about Judo Master and out of iOS conversation. And

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I just really, you know, liked how they, you know,

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whenever. Judo Master, like, whenever he had a

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little. The moment where he like, electrocuted all

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the folks in the pool and just you know, again

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the, you know, drop it into moments of like dark

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humor where it was like it's the most people have

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like electrocuted ever. But also m. The bigger

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point that I was going to make as far as their

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conversation was just helping Adebayo, you know,

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with what threw me for a lot of left field with

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that was when Judo Master was giving her

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relationship advice as far as just how she should

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handle things with her wife because you know they

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were And you know, and again it goes to like, you

478
00:27:44,411 --> 00:27:47,011
know we've talked so much about like for example

479
00:27:47,011 --> 00:27:50,211
Chris see, you know, seeing the world through his,

480
00:27:50,211 --> 00:27:54,751
his lens and not necessarily being open to like

481
00:27:54,751 --> 00:27:58,671
you know, what Harcourt was, was dealing with. but

482
00:27:58,671 --> 00:28:01,511
I think you know, it was also reflected in that

483
00:28:01,511 --> 00:28:04,991
regard with, with Adebayo and, and with her wife.

484
00:28:04,991 --> 00:28:06,711
And it was very interesting that it was Judo

485
00:28:06,711 --> 00:28:08,751
Master was the one that kind of pointed that out

486
00:28:08,751 --> 00:28:11,591
to her. So I like that moment too in the, in their

487
00:28:11,591 --> 00:28:13,921
conversation, when they were playing Scrabble.

488
00:28:15,121 --> 00:28:20,221
>> Sarah : Scrabble, Scrabble. are we ready for Gen V?

489
00:28:22,031 --> 00:28:25,231
>> Will: yeah, I think so. I mean I, I, I think so. I don't

490
00:28:25,231 --> 00:28:27,831
think there's, I mean anything else. I think we

491
00:28:27,831 --> 00:28:30,351
hit the m. Major major points other than oh, last

492
00:28:30,511 --> 00:28:30,951
episode.

493
00:28:30,951 --> 00:28:32,031
>> Sarah : There was a lot.

494
00:28:32,431 --> 00:28:34,711
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. I mean that last, last little point

495
00:28:34,711 --> 00:28:38,391
too is just as far as just how the people can help

496
00:28:38,391 --> 00:28:39,991
each other out. I guess what I was going with

497
00:28:39,991 --> 00:28:43,031
bringing up the little tie ins was with the when,

498
00:28:43,031 --> 00:28:45,641
when Chris did give the case over to, to Rick Flag

499
00:28:45,641 --> 00:28:47,921
and you know, Judo Master basically like, you

500
00:28:47,921 --> 00:28:49,801
know, after all was said and done, he was just

501
00:28:49,801 --> 00:28:55,241
like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was this, this is

502
00:28:55,241 --> 00:28:58,201
true. And so I did like those moments as well. But

503
00:28:58,201 --> 00:29:00,041
yeah, like I said it was this, it was a really

504
00:29:00,041 --> 00:29:03,081
strong penultimate and can't wait to that to your

505
00:29:03,081 --> 00:29:07,291
point about Tom's time, Tom running time, next

506
00:29:07,291 --> 00:29:11,331
week is an hour. So, so the finale. We'll have a

507
00:29:11,331 --> 00:29:12,691
nice good hour for the finale.

508
00:29:14,211 --> 00:29:18,255
>> Sarah : All right, that brings us to gen V season 2,

509
00:29:18,327 --> 00:29:21,771
episode 5, the kids are Not. All right, and let me

510
00:29:21,771 --> 00:29:24,331
just clear my voice to prepare for this

511
00:29:24,331 --> 00:29:28,971
Description. Facility code 5827. Use of power

512
00:29:28,971 --> 00:29:32,731
strictly prohibited. Facility code 3567. Hands

513
00:29:32,731 --> 00:29:35,851
must be visible at all times. Facility code 843.

514
00:29:35,851 --> 00:29:38,791
Any personal item deemed an enhancement, your

515
00:29:38,791 --> 00:29:43,965
power set will be confiscated. Facility code 725

516
00:29:44,137 --> 00:29:48,151
36. Restraint technologies activate. Active in all

517
00:29:48,151 --> 00:29:53,151
areas. Facility code 9832. All detainees subject

518
00:29:53,151 --> 00:29:58,271
to body cavity search at any time. That is where

519
00:29:58,271 --> 00:30:03,631
we start because this episode pretty much takes

520
00:30:03,631 --> 00:30:04,911
place in Elmyra.

521
00:30:07,221 --> 00:30:10,181
>> Sarah : Oh, there's so much to unpack in this episode. It

522
00:30:10,181 --> 00:30:13,501
really is like. Like there's. There's a lot. And

523
00:30:13,501 --> 00:30:16,701
we're just gonna start with the. The biggest. The

524
00:30:16,701 --> 00:30:22,581
biggest thing. Cipher. And Sister Sage makes an

525
00:30:22,581 --> 00:30:26,601
appearance not once but twice in this episode. at

526
00:30:26,601 --> 00:30:29,451
the beginning and at the end. And, those two get

527
00:30:29,451 --> 00:30:32,771
it on. they. They get it on right in. Right in the

528
00:30:32,771 --> 00:30:37,071
front of. Because she interrupted, him cleaning

529
00:30:37,071 --> 00:30:41,431
his father. And they and Sister Sage and the

530
00:30:41,431 --> 00:30:46,291
father even make eye contact. so I just. I'm gonna

531
00:30:46,291 --> 00:30:50,451
get this out of the way. Last week we were talking

532
00:30:50,451 --> 00:30:56,041
about Cypher's powers. I. I swear, if. If it is

533
00:30:56,041 --> 00:31:02,961
not somehow basically what I'm gonna call Burt

534
00:31:02,961 --> 00:31:09,921
Godolkin, the father. He. He. I think he's using

535
00:31:10,801 --> 00:31:13,041
his son as a puppet.

536
00:31:13,601 --> 00:31:14,161
>> Will: Yep.

537
00:31:14,961 --> 00:31:18,641
>> Sarah : I. I think that is made it very clear with all the

538
00:31:18,641 --> 00:31:19,121
hints.

539
00:31:19,521 --> 00:31:19,961
>> Will: Yeah.

540
00:31:19,961 --> 00:31:26,181
>> Sarah : And, And I. I am. I am a bit fascinated just

541
00:31:26,261 --> 00:31:33,411
because of, In this episode. It took me a while,

542
00:31:33,971 --> 00:31:37,761
and it took me all the way to when, we. We get a

543
00:31:37,761 --> 00:31:43,411
speech from Sam about his, to his parents. And.

544
00:31:43,411 --> 00:31:46,471
And it's brought up the fact, like, he just asked,

545
00:31:46,471 --> 00:31:50,911
why did you give me Gen V? Like. Like Gen V caused

546
00:31:50,911 --> 00:31:57,351
this. But the reality is Sam was given Gen V in.

547
00:31:57,431 --> 00:32:01,831
In more terms of trying to negate any mental

548
00:32:01,911 --> 00:32:05,791
instability because he was already viewed and

549
00:32:05,791 --> 00:32:09,151
showed signs of having a mental disorder and anger

550
00:32:09,151 --> 00:32:12,941
management issues. and it was also a genetic thing

551
00:32:12,941 --> 00:32:16,541
because of an uncle. So. Which that whole

552
00:32:16,541 --> 00:32:19,141
conversation just reminded me about an earlier

553
00:32:19,141 --> 00:32:23,561
episode where Marie was talking, to her aunt. And

554
00:32:23,561 --> 00:32:26,561
it's like, why did my parents even do this? Like,

555
00:32:27,361 --> 00:32:31,121
they. Like, this wasn't my choice. This was the

556
00:32:31,121 --> 00:32:36,261
product of their choices. So what we're seeing is

557
00:32:36,261 --> 00:32:40,701
a lot of emphasis, especially with polarity, on

558
00:32:41,661 --> 00:32:45,631
the parents and, the choices the parents made and

559
00:32:45,631 --> 00:32:49,631
the ramifications on their children who are main

560
00:32:49,631 --> 00:32:54,391
characters. And so then to have the villain of the

561
00:32:54,391 --> 00:33:00,111
season basically be a puppet for Godolkin. Yeah,

562
00:33:00,431 --> 00:33:06,961
that's just. That's so. So much. So much. So many

563
00:33:06,961 --> 00:33:11,041
layers. I. I just. The subtlety of it. And yeah, a

564
00:33:11,041 --> 00:33:14,041
part of me is also like, hm, Are they giving too

565
00:33:14,041 --> 00:33:17,440
much away too soon? Because it's. We're only in

566
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,281
the fifth episode. But another part of me is like,

567
00:33:20,601 --> 00:33:22,601
there's still so much uncertainty.

568
00:33:23,161 --> 00:33:23,291
>> Will: Yeah.

569
00:33:23,621 --> 00:33:27,461
>> Sarah : that it allows me to Be like, okay, I can. I can

570
00:33:27,461 --> 00:33:31,100
do a little theory spiraling that feels a bit more

571
00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:35,460
grounded, but also doesn't feel so that it doesn't

572
00:33:35,460 --> 00:33:37,780
feel like I'm writing my fan fiction. And I'll be

573
00:33:37,780 --> 00:33:40,820
disappointed if it doesn't go that way, because it

574
00:33:40,820 --> 00:33:47,780
very might not. But I, I feel like they're almost

575
00:33:47,860 --> 00:33:50,980
backing themselves into a corner with his powers

576
00:33:50,980 --> 00:33:58,581
and his abilities, and his limitations that I, I

577
00:33:58,901 --> 00:34:03,301
find it hard how. How they'll justify it, but I. I

578
00:34:03,301 --> 00:34:06,821
do feel like they are swinging for a home run when

579
00:34:06,821 --> 00:34:07,941
all is said and done.

580
00:34:08,901 --> 00:34:11,581
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, because especially, you know, what's

581
00:34:11,581 --> 00:34:13,971
the end game? you know, because whenever we do

582
00:34:13,971 --> 00:34:17,091
have. Whenever he and Sage do have that

583
00:34:17,091 --> 00:34:19,291
conversation, you know, we do learn that she's now

584
00:34:19,291 --> 00:34:24,391
the CEO of Vaught. And, and, and, and. And like

585
00:34:24,391 --> 00:34:26,591
you said, I mean, he's just got so many things

586
00:34:26,591 --> 00:34:28,681
he's pushing because he's pushing Marie to, to,

587
00:34:29,241 --> 00:34:32,841
you know, maximize her powers. And, and at first,

588
00:34:32,921 --> 00:34:35,721
you know, whenever we talked about it before was

589
00:34:35,721 --> 00:34:39,961
like. And even in this episode, it's like, is. Is.

590
00:34:39,961 --> 00:34:42,481
Is it to be a check on Homelander or is it for

591
00:34:42,481 --> 00:34:45,551
something else? Is it. I mean, is it. Well, let

592
00:34:45,551 --> 00:34:47,591
me, let me, Let me. I mean, I'm not saying that it

593
00:34:47,591 --> 00:34:49,151
is. I'm not saying that it is. I'm just saying.

594
00:34:49,651 --> 00:34:51,691
Yeah, yeah, no, because, I mean, this episode

595
00:34:51,691 --> 00:34:53,531
makes it very clear that I don't think it's to be

596
00:34:53,531 --> 00:34:56,841
a check on Homelander. as far as, like, if

597
00:34:56,841 --> 00:35:00,241
anything, you know, from what we've learned, what

598
00:35:00,241 --> 00:35:03,721
we saw at the end of this episode, it's more like

599
00:35:03,721 --> 00:35:08,721
slight, you know, dad is, like, controlling him to

600
00:35:08,721 --> 00:35:13,681
push her to the extremes to, like, be able to heal

601
00:35:13,681 --> 00:35:14,241
him or something.

602
00:35:14,241 --> 00:35:16,511
>> Sarah : Like that is where I'm thinking exactly that

603
00:35:16,511 --> 00:35:21,071
that's where. That's where the emphasis on the

604
00:35:21,071 --> 00:35:25,021
healing abilities. I, mean, I mean, and we saw in

605
00:35:25,021 --> 00:35:30,661
this episode, she was able to heal annabeth after

606
00:35:30,741 --> 00:35:33,821
annabeth got her throat completely slit. And we

607
00:35:33,821 --> 00:35:36,621
don't know how long. We don't know how long

608
00:35:36,621 --> 00:35:40,941
technically, annabeth was dead. It seemed more

609
00:35:40,941 --> 00:35:44,201
than a minute. And I feel. And, it's been a while

610
00:35:44,201 --> 00:35:46,721
since I've watched season one, so forgive me if I

611
00:35:46,721 --> 00:35:49,041
get anything of this wrong, but there is an epic,

612
00:35:48,991 --> 00:35:52,151
There is a scene in the first season where Marie

613
00:35:52,151 --> 00:35:56,431
does heal someone, but it. It's very brief amount

614
00:35:56,431 --> 00:35:59,471
of time of being dead versus, like. Like, it's

615
00:35:59,471 --> 00:36:02,391
less than a minute. So. So.

616
00:36:02,791 --> 00:36:03,151
>> Will: And.

617
00:36:03,151 --> 00:36:06,391
>> Sarah : And maybe that is why, while she's healing.

618
00:36:06,391 --> 00:36:14,261
Annabeth, you see potential. other, you saw all of

619
00:36:14,261 --> 00:36:15,741
the bloody noses which.

620
00:36:15,981 --> 00:36:16,461
>> Will: Yeah.

621
00:36:16,701 --> 00:36:21,101
>> Sarah : Can we not. Okay. Stranger things is coming. Okay.

622
00:36:21,181 --> 00:36:26,221
I don't need no more bloody noses. I don't. So

623
00:36:26,301 --> 00:36:31,301
yeah. So the I, I, I, I do align with the

624
00:36:31,301 --> 00:36:34,321
prescribed to the theory it has to to do with

625
00:36:34,401 --> 00:36:38,671
healing. And because there's Sage also mentions

626
00:36:38,671 --> 00:36:42,591
you're running out of time there. There's only so

627
00:36:42,591 --> 00:36:47,521
much longer this link, this, this connection

628
00:36:47,601 --> 00:36:54,961
between, father and son can be held. So, so I, I,

629
00:36:55,201 --> 00:36:59,081
I think that it's, it may not even be healed so

630
00:36:59,081 --> 00:37:03,121
much as there's something that can allow for

631
00:37:03,761 --> 00:37:08,541
maybe. Maybe it's not healed. Maybe you're

632
00:37:08,541 --> 00:37:11,461
thinking about this wrong. That body is dead.

633
00:37:12,101 --> 00:37:16,061
Right. It's, it's, it's, it's unstable. He wants

634
00:37:16,061 --> 00:37:18,661
to fully get into his son's body.

635
00:37:19,781 --> 00:37:20,741
>> Will: Yeah. That's possible.

636
00:37:21,781 --> 00:37:25,581
>> Sarah : I, that would, that is very Boys. Because that is

637
00:37:25,581 --> 00:37:26,501
so up.

638
00:37:27,311 --> 00:37:27,631
>> Will: Yeah.

639
00:37:29,071 --> 00:37:32,111
>> Sarah : To be like, to be like I'm just gonna use your

640
00:37:32,111 --> 00:37:36,391
body, but I, can't. But like I'm gonna use my

641
00:37:36,391 --> 00:37:44,391
power to basically live live in your body until I

642
00:37:44,391 --> 00:37:46,071
can fully transfer over.

643
00:37:46,791 --> 00:37:48,511
>> Will: That's a good point. Especially something that

644
00:37:48,511 --> 00:37:52,791
Jordan said. when you know, whenever, whenever

645
00:37:52,871 --> 00:37:56,491
Cipher went into, went into their mind and how

646
00:37:56,491 --> 00:37:58,571
they were just sort of like in the back seat and

647
00:37:58,651 --> 00:38:02,251
so. That's a very good. That's a very good. Yeah.

648
00:38:02,731 --> 00:38:04,971
>> Sarah : No, I was just like, I was like, oh, because,

649
00:38:04,971 --> 00:38:09,381
because you brought like that. Jordan has these

650
00:38:09,381 --> 00:38:14,501
last two episodes been very like strong, soft like

651
00:38:14,501 --> 00:38:19,981
sad boy. Strong boy. But when, when he, when he

652
00:38:20,141 --> 00:38:24,681
pointed out and, and this is what leads to like

653
00:38:24,681 --> 00:38:28,441
the last five minutes of our conversation. Like I

654
00:38:28,441 --> 00:38:33,111
was it was, it was terrifying because I could see

655
00:38:33,111 --> 00:38:38,591
everything, but I was so helpless. And, and, and

656
00:38:38,591 --> 00:38:42,311
then he points out. But I also knew you were in

657
00:38:42,311 --> 00:38:49,791
pain the entire time. And so. Yeah. So m, so his

658
00:38:49,791 --> 00:38:53,911
son is basically in the back seat for all these

659
00:38:53,911 --> 00:38:56,271
years because Lord knows how long it's been.

660
00:38:56,911 --> 00:38:57,471
>> Will: Yeah.

661
00:38:57,871 --> 00:39:03,311
>> Sarah : And having no control and yet the pain that his

662
00:39:03,390 --> 00:39:07,871
father is technically in that is still being felt.

663
00:39:08,511 --> 00:39:11,141
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

664
00:39:11,141 --> 00:39:14,221
>> Sarah : And, and that explains why there's no Gen V in his

665
00:39:14,221 --> 00:39:18,091
son's body because it's not his powers. But I, I

666
00:39:18,091 --> 00:39:21,171
think it's, I think it's, yeah. The more we talk

667
00:39:21,171 --> 00:39:24,491
about it or the more I ramble about it, I think

668
00:39:24,491 --> 00:39:28,291
it's more I, I want to get rid of this body and

669
00:39:28,451 --> 00:39:30,611
fully embrace this young body.

670
00:39:32,301 --> 00:39:35,581
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. I think that. Yeah, I think that's. I

671
00:39:35,581 --> 00:39:37,421
think you're right. I mean, because. I mean, and

672
00:39:37,421 --> 00:39:41,341
given whenever Marie was healing, was healing

673
00:39:41,961 --> 00:39:45,961
annabeth, but also given that, by extension,

674
00:39:45,961 --> 00:39:48,361
whatever was going on in that moment, it was

675
00:39:48,361 --> 00:39:52,041
impacting the other three kids. So. Yeah. So.

676
00:39:53,161 --> 00:39:53,641
Yeah.

677
00:39:53,641 --> 00:39:53,661
>> Sarah : Yeah.

678
00:39:53,661 --> 00:39:56,681
>> Will: yeah. I mean, I don't. I. I don't know what it is.

679
00:39:56,681 --> 00:39:58,521
I mean, she's definitely. You know, she's. You

680
00:39:58,521 --> 00:40:00,881
know, I know with. You know, originally it was

681
00:40:00,881 --> 00:40:03,121
like whenever she and Newman first had their

682
00:40:03,121 --> 00:40:05,001
conversations. You know, we just thought maybe she

683
00:40:05,001 --> 00:40:07,041
was also a head popper like Newman, but clearly

684
00:40:07,041 --> 00:40:10,441
she had. You know, with this whole Odessa project,

685
00:40:10,601 --> 00:40:15,001
it's. It's definitely deep, deeper into more, you

686
00:40:15,001 --> 00:40:20,981
know, rejuvenation. And I won't say. Yeah, so.

687
00:40:20,981 --> 00:40:22,621
>> Sarah : So genetics.

688
00:40:23,181 --> 00:40:25,901
>> Will: Genetic. Yeah, yeah. Eugenics, almost. I mean.

689
00:40:25,901 --> 00:40:30,301
>> Sarah : Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I mean, Marie's power is

690
00:40:30,301 --> 00:40:34,181
blood. Like, she can manipulate, use it and all of

691
00:40:34,181 --> 00:40:38,471
that. And, like, go figure, you have a. A

692
00:40:39,031 --> 00:40:45,121
telepath, father who can jump inside other

693
00:40:45,121 --> 00:40:50,761
people's bodies, and, like, it's. It's his son

694
00:40:50,761 --> 00:40:54,561
that he's utilizing right now. And maybe there's a

695
00:40:54,561 --> 00:40:57,201
reason, a restriction in his abilities that only

696
00:40:57,201 --> 00:40:59,641
allows him with genetics, because part of me is

697
00:40:59,641 --> 00:41:03,881
also just like. Any chance. Any chance that that

698
00:41:03,881 --> 00:41:08,331
guy, that cipher is Marie's father? Like, I just.

699
00:41:08,331 --> 00:41:10,891
I'm just putting it out there. Just, Just. Just

700
00:41:10,891 --> 00:41:14,091
saying. I mean, who knows what they did? Who

701
00:41:14,091 --> 00:41:19,971
knows. Who knows if, like, what was injected was

702
00:41:20,371 --> 00:41:23,971
somehow connected to his DNA, Godolphin's DNA? I

703
00:41:23,971 --> 00:41:24,371
don't know.

704
00:41:24,851 --> 00:41:25,291
>> Will: Yeah.

705
00:41:25,291 --> 00:41:30,371
>> Sarah : Yeah, because it does sound like almost a

706
00:41:30,371 --> 00:41:34,061
different thing than just what was happening to

707
00:41:34,061 --> 00:41:39,501
others whose parents, like, injected them with,

708
00:41:41,111 --> 00:41:46,341
With compound, V at a later state in life. Like,

709
00:41:46,341 --> 00:41:51,981
it. I don't know. We'll see because we also. To

710
00:41:52,541 --> 00:41:57,141
circle, back to polarity a little bit. They. To

711
00:41:57,221 --> 00:42:04,561
carry on. Andre, we. We get more moments about,

712
00:42:05,041 --> 00:42:11,241
like, the fact that he's dealing with the grief of

713
00:42:11,241 --> 00:42:15,201
his son, but simultaneously, it's the reality.

714
00:42:15,361 --> 00:42:20,321
Like, with what cipher explained. Like, I put him.

715
00:42:20,321 --> 00:42:23,161
I made an experiment, and your son couldn't push

716
00:42:23,161 --> 00:42:27,951
him beyond the limits. Like, and. And then, to

717
00:42:27,951 --> 00:42:31,071
circle back to polarity and his own powers, which,

718
00:42:31,071 --> 00:42:34,031
at the end of the episode, we see polarity have

719
00:42:34,031 --> 00:42:38,431
one of those moments about losing control with

720
00:42:38,431 --> 00:42:44,911
his. His brain and. And just the. The, The seizure

721
00:42:44,911 --> 00:42:48,551
of that. Yeah, yeah, of a seizure. Of a seizure.

722
00:42:48,551 --> 00:42:52,461
Like the. These abilities that you wanted your son

723
00:42:52,461 --> 00:42:57,881
to have, he has or had, but it was also caused,

724
00:42:58,621 --> 00:43:02,461
inadvertently the limit. Like, you can only have

725
00:43:02,461 --> 00:43:07,421
so much power. So. Yeah, I don't know. It's, it's

726
00:43:07,421 --> 00:43:10,771
very interesting theme, between the parents and

727
00:43:10,771 --> 00:43:14,041
the, and the kids that, I wasn't expecting them to

728
00:43:14,041 --> 00:43:15,681
explore this season, but.

729
00:43:16,101 --> 00:43:19,941
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaking of parents

730
00:43:19,941 --> 00:43:21,901
and stuff, I just want to circle back to Sam real

731
00:43:21,901 --> 00:43:22,261
fast.

732
00:43:22,501 --> 00:43:25,061
>> Sarah : Oh, absolutely, yeah.

733
00:43:25,061 --> 00:43:30,181
>> Will: Because, you know, that whole sequence of things

734
00:43:30,181 --> 00:43:34,181
whenever, because with, with the dad and the mom

735
00:43:34,181 --> 00:43:37,781
and like, for example, you know, he comes home

736
00:43:38,501 --> 00:43:41,621
unannounced and, and then the parents, you know,

737
00:43:41,801 --> 00:43:44,641
we, we were discussing, you know, about the

738
00:43:44,641 --> 00:43:47,401
choices that parents made as far as like with Sam,

739
00:43:47,401 --> 00:43:50,831
in Sam's case. you know, we do learn that, you

740
00:43:50,831 --> 00:43:54,031
know, well, we learn it, we hear a story. Because

741
00:43:54,031 --> 00:43:57,191
I don't know, I, I, I am feeling like the parents

742
00:43:57,191 --> 00:44:00,231
are shady still, or at least the mom, maybe the

743
00:44:00,231 --> 00:44:03,071
dad too. There, Something, something seemed off

744
00:44:03,071 --> 00:44:06,031
kilter with that whole, whole sequence that you're

745
00:44:06,031 --> 00:44:11,801
telling me that, you know, that they, you know,

746
00:44:11,961 --> 00:44:14,081
they talk about the links that they go to, to try

747
00:44:14,081 --> 00:44:16,241
to, you know, to get information about him, to

748
00:44:16,241 --> 00:44:19,281
find him and all that kind of stuff. But, but, and

749
00:44:19,281 --> 00:44:22,801
then, but at the same time, I don't know, it's

750
00:44:22,801 --> 00:44:28,121
just like I just when, whenever she was like

751
00:44:28,121 --> 00:44:30,611
calling, whenever she was on the phone and just,

752
00:44:30,611 --> 00:44:34,701
it just, it just seemed like, okay, you know, I

753
00:44:34,701 --> 00:44:36,941
felt like she was reporting back in the vault. I

754
00:44:36,941 --> 00:44:37,221
did.

755
00:44:37,861 --> 00:44:44,061
>> Sarah : Yeah. No, and so a part of me is like, they, they

756
00:44:44,061 --> 00:44:47,581
want you to still have that suspicion because Sam

757
00:44:47,581 --> 00:44:52,581
does, he doesn't fully trust it, but also, I'm

758
00:44:52,581 --> 00:44:56,821
just gonna shout it out. Somebody watched X2

759
00:44:57,141 --> 00:45:01,461
because that whole sequence was, was directly

760
00:45:01,461 --> 00:45:05,701
taken from X2.2 and they went, and in X2 they went

761
00:45:05,701 --> 00:45:09,501
one way with it where, yeah, the, the brother and

762
00:45:09,501 --> 00:45:13,901
the parents clearly did not, did not care for

763
00:45:13,901 --> 00:45:18,601
mutants. And then in this, no, we, we slowly find

764
00:45:18,601 --> 00:45:24,481
out more. it, I loved it because, and, and I don't

765
00:45:24,481 --> 00:45:28,121
know where to stand on it, but I love that the

766
00:45:28,201 --> 00:45:32,691
complexities of the relationship and the reminders

767
00:45:33,011 --> 00:45:36,091
to the audience, like all of, and we mentioned

768
00:45:36,091 --> 00:45:40,361
this, previously with Sam, specifically the, the

769
00:45:40,361 --> 00:45:44,001
reminders about season one and how this whole

770
00:45:44,001 --> 00:45:47,801
story started specifically with Sam and his

771
00:45:47,801 --> 00:45:51,331
brother. Like, Yep. oh, they, they did think,

772
00:45:52,051 --> 00:45:55,711
because his brother thought he was dead for so

773
00:45:55,711 --> 00:46:01,171
many years and and now his brother is dead and

774
00:46:01,251 --> 00:46:05,341
he's alive and yet, he's also been running around

775
00:46:05,341 --> 00:46:11,621
with Homelander and, and FYI, if you are, as we

776
00:46:11,621 --> 00:46:16,101
have been watching the boys, the politics of this

777
00:46:16,181 --> 00:46:22,741
world is very much in. In chaos and, and things

778
00:46:22,741 --> 00:46:26,021
are changing. Power dynamics are changing, the

779
00:46:26,021 --> 00:46:32,021
politics of it all. So I don't know if you can

780
00:46:32,021 --> 00:46:38,621
really fault the parents for being. Being the way.

781
00:46:38,861 --> 00:46:43,251
Being, slightly like, oh, my God, my son is alive,

782
00:46:44,051 --> 00:46:47,731
yet he's also still someone. Because we don't

783
00:46:47,731 --> 00:46:51,411
know. We don't know leading up to when Sam Qu.

784
00:46:51,711 --> 00:46:56,271
Quote was dead, what their relationship was like,

785
00:46:56,271 --> 00:47:00,511
what they. What they saw. We don't know. Pre Gen.

786
00:47:01,391 --> 00:47:05,821
Pre compound V, what it was like. What, what kind

787
00:47:05,821 --> 00:47:09,901
of. Because I, I really like the shout out to the

788
00:47:09,901 --> 00:47:13,701
actress who played Sam's mom. The swing set scene

789
00:47:14,021 --> 00:47:20,181
was done. Was. Was acted and written so well that

790
00:47:21,061 --> 00:47:22,101
her guilt.

791
00:47:22,821 --> 00:47:23,301
>> Will: Yes.

792
00:47:23,301 --> 00:47:30,981
>> Sarah : For not only giving him powers, but also the guilt

793
00:47:30,981 --> 00:47:32,581
of her own genetics.

794
00:47:33,061 --> 00:47:33,621
>> Will: Yep.

795
00:47:34,261 --> 00:47:38,421
>> Sarah : That. That was just so. It's. It's like what

796
00:47:38,421 --> 00:47:40,781
they're doing, and they're doing it in such a

797
00:47:40,781 --> 00:47:44,941
great way. It's like, yeah, this is the surface

798
00:47:44,941 --> 00:47:48,421
level complexity, but we're also going to drag in

799
00:47:48,501 --> 00:47:53,781
three other feet. We're gonna drag it. We're gonna

800
00:47:53,781 --> 00:47:57,381
increase the complexity a few different ways. And

801
00:47:57,381 --> 00:48:01,461
you know, it's just. It's. It's so good because

802
00:48:01,461 --> 00:48:05,131
it's also not, in your face. It's. There are a lot

803
00:48:05,131 --> 00:48:06,771
of subtleties going on.

804
00:48:07,731 --> 00:48:10,011
>> Will: There are subtleties. And also with the DA and

805
00:48:10,011 --> 00:48:13,711
also given Sam's instability. So all throughout

806
00:48:14,191 --> 00:48:16,951
the scene, the scenes with his. With his dad, as

807
00:48:16,951 --> 00:48:18,991
they were talking there in the bedroom and you

808
00:48:18,991 --> 00:48:22,551
know, whenever he was. Because the way they set

809
00:48:22,551 --> 00:48:24,751
the scene up with Sam, like, looking at the, you

810
00:48:24,751 --> 00:48:26,591
know, starts with a little homeland sticker.

811
00:48:26,591 --> 00:48:29,071
Homelander sticker. And you know, at all his. His

812
00:48:29,071 --> 00:48:32,271
heights and the brothers heights and stuff. And,

813
00:48:32,911 --> 00:48:35,941
you know, I, was just waiting for that moment for

814
00:48:35,941 --> 00:48:38,101
when he was just going to like, snap and, and,

815
00:48:38,101 --> 00:48:41,021
and. And break his dad's neck. I mean, it was just

816
00:48:41,021 --> 00:48:44,901
something this dad's gonna say the wrong thing or

817
00:48:44,901 --> 00:48:49,221
whatever. And, and, and so, so it. There was a.

818
00:48:49,221 --> 00:48:53,331
Such tension in, in, in those scenes. even

819
00:48:53,331 --> 00:48:56,171
whenever it was. Even when it was just like a,

820
00:48:56,251 --> 00:48:58,571
Just a innocuous moment where he was like, dad,

821
00:48:58,571 --> 00:49:00,371
you know, you may not want to play with that Maeve

822
00:49:00,371 --> 00:49:03,131
doll because I experimented on her.

823
00:49:03,771 --> 00:49:04,281
>> Sarah : Yeah.

824
00:49:04,921 --> 00:49:08,221
>> Will: but, but, but also, you know, whenever you were

825
00:49:08,221 --> 00:49:12,061
talking about, the not sure where, you know, the

826
00:49:12,061 --> 00:49:13,141
politics of this world.

827
00:49:13,381 --> 00:49:13,821
>> Sarah : Yeah.

828
00:49:13,821 --> 00:49:17,061
>> Will: And the thing that I thought too was what if it's.

829
00:49:17,061 --> 00:49:20,341
What if. What if they're secret starlighters?

830
00:49:21,701 --> 00:49:23,991
>> Sarah : yeah, they very. They very well could be, but

831
00:49:23,991 --> 00:49:27,071
there's That's a whole other thing because he was

832
00:49:27,071 --> 00:49:29,831
against the Starlighters and was bringing people

833
00:49:29,831 --> 00:49:35,271
into Custody City. But, you know, I think that

834
00:49:37,031 --> 00:49:40,391
what you just brought up, like, that unnervingness

835
00:49:40,631 --> 00:49:45,151
around Sam, I, think it's because it's what I like

836
00:49:45,151 --> 00:49:50,351
to call the Homelander complex. M. We saw through

837
00:49:50,351 --> 00:49:58,641
season one how strong Sam is. Yeah, so, so he,

838
00:49:58,641 --> 00:50:03,561
he's up there and his instability is up there. So

839
00:50:03,561 --> 00:50:07,761
a part of us are kind of been like, trained to

840
00:50:08,641 --> 00:50:14,401
with Homelander, who every time, without a doubt,

841
00:50:14,481 --> 00:50:18,481
he, he just, he just goes the other way. But, but

842
00:50:18,481 --> 00:50:21,081
then in thinking about it and comparing the two

843
00:50:21,081 --> 00:50:26,601
characters, Homelander, it's always brought up the

844
00:50:26,601 --> 00:50:29,441
fact that he was raised in that lab and the

845
00:50:29,441 --> 00:50:33,881
treatment he had from a baby. In this episode, we

846
00:50:33,961 --> 00:50:39,081
see where Sam technically comes from. And so Sam

847
00:50:39,081 --> 00:50:43,601
isn't fully Homelander because he did grow up in

848
00:50:43,601 --> 00:50:47,081
this house. He did grow up with these two parents.

849
00:50:47,481 --> 00:50:52,231
He, they, he was, did have mental issues. That's a

850
00:50:52,231 --> 00:50:56,271
genetic defect. It has nothing to do with compound

851
00:50:56,351 --> 00:50:59,831
V. It has nothing to do with, like, being raised

852
00:50:59,831 --> 00:51:04,831
in a lab or being raised as this, like, figure. So

853
00:51:05,871 --> 00:51:10,631
I, I, I think that in a way, through this episode

854
00:51:10,631 --> 00:51:15,971
with Sam, they, they have, his powers are still

855
00:51:15,971 --> 00:51:19,371
there, his instability is still there. But you're

856
00:51:19,931 --> 00:51:23,811
kind of shown that he doesn't come from the same

857
00:51:23,811 --> 00:51:26,331
place that these other supes do though.

858
00:51:26,571 --> 00:51:26,971
>> Will: Right.

859
00:51:27,131 --> 00:51:31,851
>> Sarah : So that allows him to potentially be redeemed for

860
00:51:32,091 --> 00:51:36,411
everything that he's done. Like, like, what, Emma

861
00:51:36,411 --> 00:51:38,491
has brought up before to him, like, the

862
00:51:38,491 --> 00:51:42,171
redemption. And that's where they are on path with

863
00:51:42,171 --> 00:51:45,211
him. And I'm glad that they're doing it very

864
00:51:45,211 --> 00:51:47,011
differently with him and Kate.

865
00:51:47,651 --> 00:51:48,131
>> Will: Yes.

866
00:51:48,371 --> 00:51:49,411
>> Sarah : For redemption.

867
00:51:49,971 --> 00:51:54,571
>> Will: Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Because, I mean, Kate, you

868
00:51:54,571 --> 00:51:55,971
know, how the money have fallen.

869
00:51:58,331 --> 00:51:59,131
>> Sarah : Poor girl.

870
00:51:59,851 --> 00:52:02,691
>> Will: Poor girl. Poor Kate. Yeah, I mean, you know, you

871
00:52:02,691 --> 00:52:05,571
know, she's how the money has fallen. You know,

872
00:52:05,571 --> 00:52:07,931
also, you know, thinking back to our discussion

873
00:52:07,931 --> 00:52:10,201
with, with Peacemaker, as far as just taking,

874
00:52:10,201 --> 00:52:12,601
taking advantage of the spoils of the world that

875
00:52:12,601 --> 00:52:15,641
you're in. And Kate was, you know, she, you know,

876
00:52:15,641 --> 00:52:17,721
she, she played by the rules. I mean, she was

877
00:52:17,721 --> 00:52:20,721
Ciphers, like, you know, prior to Cipher, she was

878
00:52:20,721 --> 00:52:23,241
with, you know, the first Dean as far as, you

879
00:52:23,241 --> 00:52:26,961
know, doing, you know, helping to control kids

880
00:52:26,961 --> 00:52:29,681
with her with her mind powers and stuff. And now

881
00:52:29,681 --> 00:52:32,721
Cipher, you know, using her, using her as well.

882
00:52:32,801 --> 00:52:35,941
And then, and now here she is, you know, in, in,

883
00:52:35,941 --> 00:52:40,301
in, in Elmira. and, and just, you know, and just,

884
00:52:41,581 --> 00:52:46,141
you know, and just how, you know, Again, this.

885
00:52:46,461 --> 00:52:48,821
How. Well, this, this. I think this is probably my

886
00:52:48,821 --> 00:52:52,051
favorite episode of the season so far. to, to. To

887
00:52:52,051 --> 00:52:54,701
date. because just. It was just like you said at

888
00:52:54,701 --> 00:52:57,301
the beginning, so many levels and so layered

889
00:52:57,301 --> 00:53:01,061
because whenever she was having to go in Elara and

890
00:53:01,061 --> 00:53:02,741
having to go, you know, being subjected to the

891
00:53:02,741 --> 00:53:09,001
strip search and the, just the, the terror, you

892
00:53:09,001 --> 00:53:13,201
just see it hats off to the actress who plays Kate

893
00:53:13,201 --> 00:53:16,961
because, you know, she just conveyed just all of

894
00:53:16,961 --> 00:53:17,241
that.

895
00:53:19,481 --> 00:53:21,401
>> Sarah : Mutilation with her body.

896
00:53:22,041 --> 00:53:22,921
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

897
00:53:22,921 --> 00:53:26,881
>> Sarah : Like even go beyond that, the, the fact that she

898
00:53:26,881 --> 00:53:30,841
pulls a staple out of her head. Like physically

899
00:53:32,111 --> 00:53:36,511
she is as unstable as Sam.

900
00:53:37,231 --> 00:53:39,791
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. I mean she's all, you know, she's lost

901
00:53:39,791 --> 00:53:42,471
her arm. I mean just, you know, you know, and

902
00:53:42,471 --> 00:53:44,831
they, you know, and they stay like to your point

903
00:53:44,831 --> 00:53:46,791
about the staple, I mean they, they lean into that

904
00:53:46,791 --> 00:53:48,631
when she had to take off part of her wig because

905
00:53:48,631 --> 00:53:52,791
of the, the injuries and it's just, you know,

906
00:53:52,791 --> 00:53:55,751
these all, you know, I think the thing, the common

907
00:53:55,751 --> 00:53:59,161
thread with all of these kids, they're all broken

908
00:53:59,161 --> 00:54:00,081
in some way.

909
00:54:00,881 --> 00:54:01,361
>> Sarah : Yes.

910
00:54:01,541 --> 00:54:04,691
>> Will: and, and, and throwing them back into the el. nara

911
00:54:05,971 --> 00:54:08,051
really just starts. You know, it's just another

912
00:54:08,051 --> 00:54:11,411
part of cipher experiment with them to like, you

913
00:54:11,411 --> 00:54:13,771
know, because you know, Jordan, you know, Marie

914
00:54:13,771 --> 00:54:16,291
reverted back to, you know, to the mutilation. And

915
00:54:16,291 --> 00:54:19,151
then of course self, mutilation. And then you

916
00:54:19,151 --> 00:54:20,551
know, and of course Cypher's like, well, you're

917
00:54:20,551 --> 00:54:22,111
not going to be careful because you know, we

918
00:54:22,111 --> 00:54:24,201
inject you with a drug so you won't coagulate. And

919
00:54:24,361 --> 00:54:25,961
you know, Emma wretching again.

920
00:54:28,151 --> 00:54:31,351
>> Sarah : the Emmer conversation. What I thought was so

921
00:54:31,351 --> 00:54:35,271
interesting about that was she even admitted to

922
00:54:35,271 --> 00:54:35,671
Kate.

923
00:54:36,311 --> 00:54:36,461
>> Will: Yeah.

924
00:54:36,981 --> 00:54:39,901
>> Sarah : now that I can have, I feel like I have some

925
00:54:39,901 --> 00:54:45,821
control. I realized that I still want to puke. And

926
00:54:45,821 --> 00:54:49,221
so then, then it means. And that indicates that,

927
00:54:50,361 --> 00:54:55,801
oh, this just like with Sam, he blamed compound V

928
00:54:56,041 --> 00:54:59,971
for his mental, breaks. Right?

929
00:54:59,971 --> 00:55:00,931
>> Will: Yeah, right.

930
00:55:00,931 --> 00:55:06,451
>> Sarah : She blamed compound V for her eating disorder and

931
00:55:06,531 --> 00:55:10,291
her, her insecurities about the way she looks.

932
00:55:10,931 --> 00:55:15,651
And, and now we see with Marie that her self

933
00:55:15,651 --> 00:55:19,171
mutilation, it's like again, you don't have to cut

934
00:55:19,171 --> 00:55:19,731
yourself.

935
00:55:20,481 --> 00:55:20,721
>> Will: Right.

936
00:55:20,801 --> 00:55:27,601
>> Sarah : You're choosing to like. And we, we've. We loved

937
00:55:27,681 --> 00:55:30,721
in the first season how they were using these,

938
00:55:30,921 --> 00:55:35,001
powers to magnify these other issues that

939
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:38,041
adolescents and people just go through on a

940
00:55:38,041 --> 00:55:41,361
regular basis in everyday life. And yet this

941
00:55:41,361 --> 00:55:44,481
season they're turning and it's like, yeah, but

942
00:55:44,481 --> 00:55:45,401
that's not their power.

943
00:55:46,351 --> 00:55:46,591
>> Will: Right.

944
00:55:46,591 --> 00:55:50,351
>> Sarah : That they, they have through their Surroundings

945
00:55:50,751 --> 00:55:55,551
developed these other issues that are very normal,

946
00:55:56,271 --> 00:56:01,341
I hate to say. and, and they just have powers on

947
00:56:01,341 --> 00:56:03,421
top of it. That's, that's so clever.

948
00:56:03,901 --> 00:56:06,061
>> Will: It really is. It really, really is.

949
00:56:07,581 --> 00:56:11,701
>> Sarah : Yeah. And, and it, and, and in a way it makes

950
00:56:11,701 --> 00:56:17,611
Cypher be like, you're kind of right, you're not

951
00:56:17,931 --> 00:56:23,131
wrong and you're a bit up for the experiment part

952
00:56:23,131 --> 00:56:26,701
of it. But I, I don't know. I, I feel like Sister

953
00:56:26,701 --> 00:56:29,781
Sage is a bit up too just because she's the one

954
00:56:29,781 --> 00:56:33,821
who goes and gets Annabelle only for you to slit

955
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her throat so that, so that you can push Marie to

956
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save her.

957
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>> Will: It is the voice. Yeah, it is the voice. So we're

958
00:56:43,101 --> 00:56:47,371
gonna do some up to, to. Yeah, but, but you know,

959
00:56:47,371 --> 00:56:50,131
but it's, but it's, but to your point, you know,

960
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it, it, it is a teen appropriate. I mean these are

961
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all issues that teenagers sadly have to deal with.

962
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I mean the self esteem issues like you know, that,

963
00:56:59,451 --> 00:57:02,801
that, that Jordan was feeling because of you know,

964
00:57:02,961 --> 00:57:07,361
their dad wanting and you know, for them to only

965
00:57:08,241 --> 00:57:11,111
general identity. Yeah. And then yeah, and all the

966
00:57:11,111 --> 00:57:13,391
things we thought, you know, you already, you

967
00:57:13,391 --> 00:57:15,831
know, articulated about the other kids and so

968
00:57:16,861 --> 00:57:21,021
Yeah, I mean, I mean this show really does a

969
00:57:21,261 --> 00:57:23,821
handles, you know. Yeah, it does have the gross

970
00:57:23,821 --> 00:57:25,341
out moments and stuff like, you know, because we

971
00:57:25,341 --> 00:57:27,341
are in the boys universe. But at the same time it

972
00:57:27,341 --> 00:57:30,981
does do a very deaf job of you know, tackling

973
00:57:30,981 --> 00:57:33,621
these, these, these real issues that teenagers are

974
00:57:33,621 --> 00:57:37,021
dealing with and how, and how you know, all like I

975
00:57:37,021 --> 00:57:38,861
said on top of it, they, they had these powers,

976
00:57:38,861 --> 00:57:42,861
but the powers are, you know. Yeah, it's just a

977
00:57:42,861 --> 00:57:44,841
it's just a MacGuffin to help, you know, really

978
00:57:44,841 --> 00:57:46,961
explored the deeper things that these kids are

979
00:57:46,961 --> 00:57:47,481
dealing with.

980
00:57:48,441 --> 00:57:49,081
>> Sarah : Definitely.

981
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>> Will: And also the prefrontal cortex not being, not

982
00:57:51,841 --> 00:57:53,601
being fully formed. Whenever they came up with

983
00:57:53,601 --> 00:57:57,041
this, this crazy plan to break into the Omayra to

984
00:57:57,041 --> 00:58:00,321
begin with, it's like polarity. Where were you?

985
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You failed them.

986
00:58:01,801 --> 00:58:06,431
>> Sarah : Yeah, I, I, I kind of have suppressed that. But

987
00:58:06,431 --> 00:58:09,831
yes, that's a very strong point. The, that and

988
00:58:09,831 --> 00:58:13,031
then the whole like, like, oh, we're breaking

989
00:58:13,031 --> 00:58:15,111
free, we're breaking free. Something's not right.

990
00:58:15,111 --> 00:58:17,191
But we're still running. But something's not

991
00:58:17,191 --> 00:58:21,791
right. Why is it so easy? Yeah, it was, it very

992
00:58:21,871 --> 00:58:26,591
much. I think in both sequences. I, I think I did

993
00:58:26,591 --> 00:58:29,781
get this set especially during the the final

994
00:58:29,781 --> 00:58:32,021
sequence when they thought they were escaping

995
00:58:32,021 --> 00:58:35,061
again. It did feel very much feel like everyone

996
00:58:35,061 --> 00:58:39,981
was put to sleep and woke up. Yeah, there was a

997
00:58:39,981 --> 00:58:42,821
weird haze. I don't know. It just felt like a

998
00:58:42,821 --> 00:58:47,111
dream sequence very much. but I, my. The final

999
00:58:47,111 --> 00:58:49,431
thing that I want to say about this episode is

1000
00:58:49,431 --> 00:58:51,941
just to quote my favorite line, I found my first

1001
00:58:51,941 --> 00:58:54,231
vagina here, Mom. Yeah.

1002
00:58:54,231 --> 00:58:54,631
>> Will: Yes.

1003
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>> Sarah : I just, you know, you, you, you gotta, you have an

1004
00:59:00,671 --> 00:59:03,431
honest conversation. Might as well be very honest.

1005
00:59:03,671 --> 00:59:05,191
>> Will: Yep. Yeah.

1006
00:59:07,031 --> 00:59:11,201
>> Sarah : Brutally honest. the kids are certainly not all

1007
00:59:11,201 --> 00:59:14,561
right. And on that note, Will, why don't you tell

1008
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our listeners where they can find you.

1009
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>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at Will

1010
00:59:19,841 --> 00:59:22,401
and Polk, W I L L M M P O.

1011
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>> Sarah : L K. And you can find me there too at SJ Belmont.

1012
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1016
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1017
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>> Will: Sa.