What We REALLY Think of Dune 2 and Peacemaker 2 x 4 - An HONEST Review

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>> Will: Music

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>> Sarah : This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont, and with me, as

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always, is our Mr. Producer, Will Polk How are you doing

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tonight, Will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. Hope you're having a good Monday. Looking

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forward to catching up with on the, Emmy news and,

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Dune and Peacemaker with you tonight.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Even though we both were

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on top of the news, it doesn't really feel like a

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catch up. It's just like, well, this is what happened.

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>> Will: Yeah,

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for sure. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : As predicted by me, adolescence

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took home so many awards as

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it should.

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>> Will: Oh, yeah. It's by far the best show this

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year. I mean, really, because

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just to recap for folks, as far as the reset Mind

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folks, the Emmy cycle, it was June 1st

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of 2024 to May 31st of

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2025. Just so, just a level set

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the, the calendar for, for folks who may be

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like, wait a minute, didn't. Why wasn't such and such

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show, you know, recognized? So just

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wanted to do that.

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>> Sarah : Right, right.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And it was the Bear season three, not

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season four that was up.

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and they didn't get anything. Right.

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>> Will: I don't think so.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. I think the studio. The studio

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shut up. Shut out everyone. And then the studio

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even beat the Bears record with 11

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wins.

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>> Will: Yeah, actually. Yeah. So 13. 13 total.

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>> Sarah : 13 total. Okay.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because if. Yeah. Cause so, so the creative

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art, Creative arts Emmys were I

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think last weekend and then the above the line

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awards for last night. So. Yeah, so the studio

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did have 13. Seth Rogen won like four

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categories for, actor, director,

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executive producer and writer.

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And then, Penguin actually won nine

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awards overall even though it was

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shut out. Even though in acting categories,

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in a Christine M. Melody 1,

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for her performance.

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>> Sarah : Supporting actress. Yep.

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>> Will: Supporting actress. and you know, speaking of adolescence,

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Adolescence ended up winning eight awards. And

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Stephen Graham, who played the father, in the

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episode one, for actor, he also won for

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executive producer and also for writer.

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>> Sarah : Yep, yep. And we were able to see

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how really, really short he is.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the other big

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headline with, adolescence

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is Owen Cooper became the youngest,

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person to ever win in that

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category. and oh, FYI,

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he's the youngest. And also this is his first

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and only ever on screen role he's ever

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had.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : Okay.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. So well

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deserved. And his co star also was, Aaron Daugherty.

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>> Sarah : Ah, yeah, Doherty.

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>> Will: Yeah, she, she won supporting

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actress, as well.

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and, and I mean, that episode still

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brings chills to my spine. just everything

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about it was just. Just amazing.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I. I've. I've seen it like three or four times.

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That episode in particular.

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I'm kind of the only thing. And I'm

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just gonna say this because, it's what

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I think, honestly is, I

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don't know if I agree that Stephen Graham

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should have gone in it for acting because

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Colin. Colin Farrell,

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like the Penguin was just another

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thing. And there are some scenes from the

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Penguin that still stick in my mind. And

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specifically with what he did.

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I get it. I understand why. And I'm

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not like, oh, that was. That was a lot of.

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So I can't. I can't call it

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real, like. Like BS

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or anything, but, I'm just.

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I'm still. I still don't know if I 100

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agree with that.

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but he did overall

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throughout, like he was in two

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of the four episodes.

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so. But I. I'm just.

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I'm. I'm glad that

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not. Not necessarily for just

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acting, but mainly for

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the. All the awards it won in regards

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to the. The behind the scenes

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because the execution of that

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was just. Just brought it to a whole nother

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level. And. And along with the

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writing, which was, I think

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triumphantly well deserved.

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the directing and just the crew itself,

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everything they had to do to. With

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that oner structure. And I found it

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ironic because that episode from the

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studio also took home for best

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directing.

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It's kind of a cheat code. It really

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is. It really is.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So.

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>> Will: Yeah. Speaking of. Yeah. Yeah. But you're right about the

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writing of that episode and

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I'm there with. So really.

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Yeah, I'm there with you. I think

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Stephen Graham and Colin both. I mean, if they could like,

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split. Split the.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: Win. Because both of them in their own. You know,

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clearly Graham with, Especially the fourth episode of

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Adolescence. I mean. Well, even the beginning too. I mean, just

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throughout. You know, there was just so.

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Every time he was on the screen as to what the. What

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that father was having. Portraying what that father was dealing

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with.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. See, the fourth episode is my least

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favorite. And the first episode, though, there

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are some scenes that do.

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If I really think about it, he had to do a lot

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of reaction, acting in

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terms of what was happening with his son and the

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helplessness in that situation and the

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confusion. Like, it.

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It really. If. If I think about

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his performance in that. That episode in particular.

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I understand. And. And then

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that, That category was just stacked to begin with.

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I think back when the nominations first came

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out, we were like, well,

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there's gonna Be. I don't know how you

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choose. Yeah.

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You had Pedro Pascal in there, right? Or was

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he in supporting, after.

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>> Will: I think he was. I have to go back and look. I forgot I didn't get a

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chance to look before we record it. But. But if I recall.

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>> Sarah : No, no, they, they were in it. We're

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talking about acting for

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Limited, anthology.

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Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Noah

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Wiley beat out. Beat out, Mr.

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Pedro Pascal for, For ah.

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For the trophy along with Sterling K. Brown. So,

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Yeah. The love for the Pit, again, I

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am not surprised from a

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technical standpoint about

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why that, that

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that show has gained so much

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acclaimed. I still think

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though, and it is

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so focused on getting the reality of the

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error,

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really bringing that to life, that

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the character moments are so few

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and far between that. It

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was. It didn't hit

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me, in a lot of emotional, places.

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But I, I think

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Noah just took it home for the Pit and

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er.

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>> Will: Yeah, true.

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Yeah. I still have to watch the Pit. It's going to

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be, And I'm gonna definitely get it in before season

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two. But Yeah, I saw that and

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you know, it definitely seemed to be. That was going to be the, The.

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The favorite this year. I know Severance

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still. I mean, I know I haven't watched Severance season two.

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I did finally get around to watching most of season one

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whenever, Whenever we had the studio, When we were reviewing

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it earlier.

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>> Sarah : You didn't tell me that.

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>> Will: Yeah, I mean it was one of the. I didn't want. It was like.

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It. I mean I was. It was just one of those things

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I just. I caught up on. Caught up most. I didn't

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finish it because I had the free trial

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and, And I just. So I got in what I could.

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But But I do want to, you know, if I do turn it back on

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for, you know, for other shows, there are some things on

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Apple TV now that I'm kind of like. I do want to like. I think I

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might turn it back on.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: Catch up on some stuff.

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>> Sarah : But I'm turning mine back on soon because Morning

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show is coming back.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The only other

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other, thing that I wanted to just highlight from the From

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the Emmys also was just. And or Dan Gilroy,

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winning, for. For writing, for the episode welcome to

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the Rebellion, which Which I thought. And it also

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won overall, five Emmys, both

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not only for writing, but also it also won in

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the Creative Arts, section as well.

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So, you know, so that. That was another show,

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that, And you know, and I guess, you know, even though

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I know a lot of, you know, just not to get political or whatever.

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Oh, it. I'm gonna get political. It was, you

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know, there's a lot of, you know, a lot of folks. That show

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was res for the times right now.

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but it's very interesting. But. But at the same time,

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I mean, the stories that were being told in andor,

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were, you know, are timeless. I mean, so, yeah, I mean,

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I know present day people are really rocking with it

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because like it, you know, in many cases people feel

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like, oh, it resonates. But you know, they wrote that show like

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three years ago. and and it really. You.

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And, and you know, Tony Garoi had talked about how

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it was very, you know, you know, they're very

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moments in history that they, they used to like pattern

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how they were going to write the script. So, so

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I'm, I'm glad the show got his props because, it

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definitely, as far as in the drama categories, definitely,

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was probably one of the best written shows of the year

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for sure. And that episode in particular,

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welcome, to the Rebellion. I think, I think that speech that

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my moth gave, this I think was the thing that kind of put it over

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the top. So.

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>> Sarah : Nice. Nice.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : well, that is it for our brief

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discussion about the Emmys 2025. And

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now we are. Well, this

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isn't a catch up movie for me because

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we're changing rules this week. I technically

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have seen it, but I will tell you this.

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When I, Yesterday when I

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put it on, I, I had, I had it in my

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mind because I'd already seen it.

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I was going to have it on the background and then I was

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going to be doing other things and everything. But

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quickly I forgot how much dialogue is spoken

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in a different language. So subtitles.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I also for some reason

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got sucked in. I.

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I don't know what it is. I do not know.

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And I, And I will tell you.

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And knowing now how you

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ended up watching it in three parts,

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the. The first hour and a half

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is. Is really just its

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own little mini movie

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and does all the exposition and.

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And I just. I had forgotten how much time we

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just spend with Will Polk learning

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things from, Chani and

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character name, but with the Freeman and just

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learning from them and while

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simultaneously Jessica and the Benedict

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and becoming Reverend Mother and all of that.

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know. It, it just. I, I've said

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this before on the podcast. Often I

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have to watch the. When I,

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me to watch something and sometimes

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if I rush and I push it, things

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go over my head or I'm not into it and it just,

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it can be the most perfect thing in the world. And

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I'm just like, yeah, I watched it, and

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yesterday watching Dune Part 2. Now

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it wasn't. I. There are some boring

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parts and it is long, way too long

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and it's a lot of sand. But

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Majority of the time I was clicked in. And I think some

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of that also had to do with like, my knowledge

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about Doom Prophecy. And, and

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when we were watching Doom Prophecy, some, some

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of the moments from Dune 2 because I had watched

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Dude 2 like a few months prior, I

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was like, oh, that's a ref m.

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I. That that's gonna hit differently.

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and so all of the stuff with the. The Water

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of Life, definitely does as well as

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everything going on with Jessica. But

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I, I did. I did find

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way more appreciation watching it a second

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time than I ever did the first time. but

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now to let's hear your overall

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thoughts because this is your first time

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watching it.

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>> Will: My first time watching it. Yeah. So like, as a,

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as, as, as we, set this up. yeah, this is

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my first time watching it. Like, like last week,

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center. This was the first time for you. This is my first time watching

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June2. And I completely agree with you,

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watching Dune Prophecy,

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definitely helped this movie hit

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a lot harder, with those

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key, especially with some of those key moments, that,

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that you just described in particular. and

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I, I, so I, I will say it.

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get into it. Yeah, that first, that

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first 45 minutes. Because as I told you, I did break it

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up. and, and I, and I

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honestly, I mean from the scale,

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this, the exposition, everything

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there stuff was happening. Yeah, but

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it, but, but like you said, sometimes

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you just need to catch things when you're

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just mentally there and ready to like, watch it.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: And, and, and so I will say

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maybe when I, when I, it

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took me a moment to get into it, but that last.

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so, I was like, locked in.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: as far as just a story, you are right about the

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subtitles. I think that does require you to like,

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you know, focus and pay attention. And for a two hour and 45

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minute movie, where there's like subtitles like

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interspersed without Within. Without throughout

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it. It definitely You know, this is the type of

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movie you do. You do have to pay attention to.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: yeah. But I will say I did enjoy it.

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Like you were right. I. I enjoyed

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it so much more than I did the first one.

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>> Sarah : Oh, it's so much more. And I think. And

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I'm just going to call Spade a spade. The first hour and a

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half is boring because Paul's boring.

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Sorry, Will Polk at the beginning

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of the movie. Very boring.

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By the end of the movie he does

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become something. Something else.

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But man, for the first hour and a half

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you're just like what's going on with Jessica? Can

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we just get back there?

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>> Will: Yeah, that was that whenever she. Whenever.

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Yeah. Whenever she was having that and like whenever.

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You know. And I. Yeah. And it was whenever she.

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When they gave her the

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>> Sarah : The water. The water of life.

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>> Will: Yeah. And the baby was impacted. Those.

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So that was to me where the payoff of watching Doom

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prophecy came. like

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where that series made. You know, it just

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it justified it definitely just

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What I'm trying to say here is existence is

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justified by adding

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greater depth to

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Doom Part two. So if you haven't, you know, if you

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haven't watched New Prophecy, I know it

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was a much more smaller scale because it really got it to the

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background of the Vinny Jesser

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and. And their. Their

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formulations and you know,

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it's also tv.

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>> Sarah : It's also TV and Denny's real new

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is not directing those episodes.

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>> Will: Yeah, but it really. But you know, but it definitely

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sets. But you know, but I think it definitely helps. You

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know, not only contextualizes the whole things of the

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Reverend Mother and. And the Benecesset, but also

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it definitely helps like. Helps you get

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a greater appreciation of the

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Harkov and the Tradies,

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their conflict. But also

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somewhat. But I think where. Where it hit. Both hit

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most for me was when Will Polk

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you know, whenever he calls to bear and you know, grandfather and

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I was just like oh yeah, now it's like, you know, with

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the whole prophecy and, and you know how.

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>> Sarah : Well that doesn't have to do with. With

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dude prophecy.

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>> Will: No, no, but I think it was just. I think this. The lore

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as far as like.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah, I. I guess

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before we. So from what I understand,

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book readers,

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the. The. The. The doom prophecy is

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also not based on the original

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books. They. They are based on

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books that were written by the author's son.

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>> Will: Son.

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>> Sarah : And there's skepticism

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about what is lore because there

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are some changes made in those books,

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that, that don't add up for people who

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really understand the whole lore of Dune.

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So, but,

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I think you're right that yes,

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it does contextualize a lot.

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and, and I think the hardest thing for me to

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understand, well, two things,

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during the first movie was the politics

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as well as what the heck are these

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women doing? Like the Bene

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Gesseritz is. It just felt

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like there were moments from the first one, if I

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recall. It's been a while since I've seen it where

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I was like, well, that's different. What's going

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on there? But it was so focused on,

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the Atreides that

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it kind of was doing so much,

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that you didn't really get anywhere. And so then

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you have the Dune prophecy series that

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beefs things up and then Dune two.

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You kind of like, okay, House,

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Atreides, no more perfect

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setup for a revenge plot.

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you've also are in

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this, this 2 hour and 40 plus

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minute movie explaining

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the politics. Like, yeah, revenge.

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Revenge is simplified simplification.

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But you have a lot of other

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politics happening, between

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not only the Harkonnens and Atreides,

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but the, the bigger political move was

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the fact that the Emperor played by Christopher

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Walken. I didn't spoil that for you, did

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I?

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He, he's the one who really

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allowed and even helped,

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the Harkonnens wipe, out

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the Atreides, which, which is a war crime.

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And, which brings me to, one of the

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questions that I have for you coming, coming out

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of the movie, is

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at the end, after,

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after everything Will Polk has

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put into motion, or fate,

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depending on how you want to view it,

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has occurred. They, they hear

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from the Houses that they do not accept

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him ascending to the throne.

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>> Will: Right.

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>> Sarah : Did you see that coming? And also

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like, what was your reaction to that moment?

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>> Will: I.

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I did not see that coming.

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I'd be lying if I did say that.

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but what I, but given

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what I know and given what we know these

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stories, it makes

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sense that

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the other houses in the Gal in the galaxy

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did not accept it.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. And why did it

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make sense?

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>> Will: well, to your point that you were talking about how the Bene Gesserit

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were like, you know, really,

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you know, were, you know,

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part of their.

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>> Sarah : Oh, oh, I see what you're saying.

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>> Will: M. Yeah. Efforts to like, you know,

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keep, you know, keep these houses in

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order as far as trying to prevent this holy war.

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10,000 years ago.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, Yeah. I, I was just like, you're

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making the Bene Gesserits come out.

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like they're the heroes when, when they,

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and that's why I find them so interesting because

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they're not, they're not the villain, but they're not definitely

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not the hero of the story either. Because,

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I mean. But I think what you're getting at is,

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is arguably why people

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should be shocked by it. But it does make sense

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in this world because of the,

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the, the reaction that I don't know her

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name, but the, the Bene

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Gesseritz who, was training the

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princess. Like when she,

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when she sees, Jessica come in

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and, pregnant and everything, fully decked out as

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Reverend Mother, like, she says,

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abomination. And she's

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talking about the baby that's inside

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Jessica and she's talking about Will Polk

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because she's never, she's never

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agreed with Jessica and

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about how she went about this. And they've

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always wanted a female. Like, I

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thought that was very, very important.

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knowing what we know from Dune prophecy as

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well as that scene, with the, the

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Jesuit who seduces Fiat,

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because he secure. She secures the Harkonnen

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bloodline. But it's female,

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so it's. So yeah,

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yeah, yeah.

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>> Will: So especially with the whole abomination thing. That was, where it was just

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like, oh, yeah. Anyway, you, know the conversation about

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Jessica. That, that, that's,

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yeah. Like I said, knowing what. Knowing what I know

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now. See, if I had watched this before prophecy, I probably

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wouldn. Picked up that, that

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I may have. But, but it really became even more

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clear having the additional

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context of, of, of doom prophecy

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and watching this show now, watching this movie now.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I would have. I, I, I

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did watch it before and that all of that

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stuff went over my head when I was half

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watching it. And, but also I

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think really what I was trying to say and trying to get

520
00:24:44,460 --> 00:24:46,550
at is your whole point like

521
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:50,990
that that woman still

522
00:24:50,990 --> 00:24:53,950
had power over all of the other

523
00:24:53,950 --> 00:24:56,750
Truthsayers. So she's already told the other

524
00:24:56,750 --> 00:24:59,670
Truthsayers what to tell the Houses. And

525
00:24:59,670 --> 00:25:02,230
that's why they say no, that they can't accept it.

526
00:25:02,550 --> 00:25:05,490
Because that goes against as long as,

527
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,300
from what we understand in this

528
00:25:08,300 --> 00:25:11,100
world, it's all about

529
00:25:11,500 --> 00:25:14,420
like the, the leaders are so reliant

530
00:25:14,420 --> 00:25:17,310
on, on the Bene Gesserits that

531
00:25:17,470 --> 00:25:19,790
they're just puppets. And so

532
00:25:20,350 --> 00:25:23,350
really. And like the start

533
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:25,950
of the Holy War is this continuation

534
00:25:26,190 --> 00:25:29,070
of this battle between Jessica and

535
00:25:29,310 --> 00:25:32,300
the other Reverend Mother, who. I don't know her

536
00:25:32,300 --> 00:25:34,060
name off the top of my head, but,

537
00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:38,020
And, and I'm down for that. and also,

538
00:25:38,100 --> 00:25:40,910
just what the heck

539
00:25:40,910 --> 00:25:43,670
will will this baby be considering the

540
00:25:43,670 --> 00:25:46,540
baby was in utero when, when

541
00:25:46,540 --> 00:25:48,340
she took the. The water of life.

542
00:25:53,060 --> 00:25:55,950
Oh my God. the. So moving

543
00:25:55,950 --> 00:25:58,560
back to boring Will Polk, what did,

544
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,560
what, what did you think about the romance

545
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,000
slash chemistry between Will Polk and Johnny?

546
00:26:05,250 --> 00:26:08,250
>> Will: so see that. That was, that was so hard for me. That was

547
00:26:08,250 --> 00:26:11,090
a hard. I mean, I get. They did a

548
00:26:11,090 --> 00:26:14,050
good. I mean, nothing against the performances from,

549
00:26:14,690 --> 00:26:17,140
From Zendaya or, or. Or

550
00:26:17,140 --> 00:26:19,980
Timothy Chalamet. I thought their performances were great.

551
00:26:20,140 --> 00:26:20,630
it just,

552
00:26:23,030 --> 00:26:25,830
it just, it just, it just

553
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:28,430
didn't work. I mean, it was just boring for me.

554
00:26:28,430 --> 00:26:28,750
>> Sarah : Yeah.

555
00:26:28,750 --> 00:26:31,630
>> Will: I mean. And you know, and I guess this is

556
00:26:31,630 --> 00:26:33,190
where, I mean, I get

557
00:26:35,270 --> 00:26:38,150
why it was, why they set it up

558
00:26:38,150 --> 00:26:41,110
and I know. I think this is a difference too, if I want to say from

559
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:43,780
the book and the movie, whenever she,

560
00:26:43,780 --> 00:26:46,740
Whenever, you know, whenever he makes the choice at the end of the

561
00:26:46,740 --> 00:26:47,020
film.

562
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,960
>> Will: Because I think in the, If I recall in the book, I think she was,

563
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,880
she was aware of his plan to,

564
00:26:54,450 --> 00:26:57,170
you know, after, you know, to take the hand of the,

565
00:26:57,330 --> 00:26:58,940
of the. The emperor's,

566
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,950
daughter. Yeah. whereas in the movie

567
00:27:03,950 --> 00:27:06,830
they, they twist, they. They spit, they change that. So

568
00:27:06,830 --> 00:27:09,550
I, I understand why they, they

569
00:27:09,550 --> 00:27:12,470
did all the, all the pieces of, of

570
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:14,470
building that relationship. And, and

571
00:27:17,580 --> 00:27:20,140
And also just. And I guess also I think just really,

572
00:27:21,420 --> 00:27:23,900
you know, it was really important, I guess to really

573
00:27:23,980 --> 00:27:26,940
establish Will Polk as

574
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,000
you know, to be able to be

575
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,790
accepted by the Fremen, not only, you

576
00:27:32,790 --> 00:27:35,710
know, you know, for their relationship, but also I think

577
00:27:35,710 --> 00:27:38,620
just overall, they just couldn't rush

578
00:27:38,620 --> 00:27:41,580
through those scenes in order for us to legitimately believe

579
00:27:41,580 --> 00:27:44,520
that. That Will Polk, you know, rose to the level

580
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,960
of leadership for the Freeman. So, so

581
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,920
all of those things felt very necessary. But

582
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,840
some. But sometimes I did feel like, man, could they tighten it up just

583
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:54,360
a little bit.

584
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,600
>> Sarah : Yeah, I think, that

585
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,290
the The writing was more focused on

586
00:28:01,530 --> 00:28:03,850
their relationship, kind of

587
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,900
exemplifying this whole conflict

588
00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:09,420
between Will Polk trying

589
00:28:09,660 --> 00:28:12,390
to, Trying

590
00:28:12,550 --> 00:28:15,430
to become a Freeman, but

591
00:28:15,670 --> 00:28:18,310
also like that whole,

592
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:21,550
this whole conflict between him and Jessica

593
00:28:21,550 --> 00:28:24,350
of like, you want me to be the

594
00:28:24,350 --> 00:28:27,030
Messiah. I don't want to be the Messiah. And even,

595
00:28:27,220 --> 00:28:30,160
Still guard. Javier Bardem's character is like,

596
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,880
no, you're the Messiah. But, but even,

597
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,040
even Stilgaard had to be like

598
00:28:35,940 --> 00:28:38,740
you. You could Die while you're doing this. And then. Well,

599
00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:41,900
you weren't the Messiah. I don't

600
00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:44,660
really know what you want me to do here. And,

601
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:47,650
And then he himself, who. Will Polk, who

602
00:28:47,650 --> 00:28:50,650
has seen visions, is also just like,

603
00:28:52,010 --> 00:28:54,930
I don't. Some of these things I don't want to

604
00:28:54,930 --> 00:28:57,450
happen. So I'm trying to also

605
00:28:57,450 --> 00:28:59,850
navigate my choices to prevent

606
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,970
certain outcomes. and not just to

607
00:29:02,970 --> 00:29:05,690
achieve something. And then while

608
00:29:05,770 --> 00:29:08,570
Chani's whispering in his ear, also,

609
00:29:08,650 --> 00:29:11,650
the idea that if you become

610
00:29:11,650 --> 00:29:14,490
the Messiah, it's. It's just another form

611
00:29:14,490 --> 00:29:17,330
of control. like. Like

612
00:29:17,410 --> 00:29:20,330
religious. And our history is filled

613
00:29:20,330 --> 00:29:23,330
with them. Religious wars is, like, all over

614
00:29:23,330 --> 00:29:26,220
the place. It. It is. It's. It's. So one

615
00:29:26,220 --> 00:29:28,980
of the most biggest things that lead to

616
00:29:28,980 --> 00:29:31,100
war, lead to holy wars.

617
00:29:32,250 --> 00:29:35,050
is. Is your religion and your faith. And,

618
00:29:35,980 --> 00:29:38,860
So I think that they sp.

619
00:29:38,940 --> 00:29:40,700
They had to really,

620
00:29:42,990 --> 00:29:45,950
really harp on that point and make

621
00:29:45,950 --> 00:29:48,670
that very clear for the politics of the

622
00:29:48,670 --> 00:29:49,070
movie.

623
00:29:49,470 --> 00:29:49,950
>> Will: Yeah.

624
00:29:49,950 --> 00:29:52,600
>> Sarah : Therefore, the romantic

625
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,640
aspect of watching two people fall in

626
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,480
love fell to the wayside. There was

627
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,360
no romance. I'm sorry. I've seen it twice now. I

628
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,880
didn't feel it the first time. It just.

629
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,000
I. I get it. But I also.

630
00:30:07,239 --> 00:30:10,120
I was like, I'm not watching two people fall in love.

631
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,120
There. There wasn't a moment where I

632
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,920
was very convinced that Johnny, like, saw

633
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,720
something different. I. And so

634
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,640
I think that. And I understand, like, what

635
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,320
you were saying. Like, I get why.

636
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,360
But it is kind of annoying

637
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,440
because, like,

638
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,120
either then it's just a

639
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,120
matter. Well, then was it really necessary for them fall

640
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,920
in love? But hey, there's going to be a third

641
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,880
movie and they've clearly have a love triangle set up, so

642
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:42,310
whatever.

643
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:46,420
>> Will: Yeah, like, yeah, I mean, I'm glad you brought the religion, the.

644
00:30:46,420 --> 00:30:48,780
The religious aspects of it and the

645
00:30:48,780 --> 00:30:51,330
messianic, with. With Will Polk, because that. That.

646
00:30:51,570 --> 00:30:54,570
So you're right. I think when, though.

647
00:30:54,570 --> 00:30:56,609
Whenever was. With,

648
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,640
Those scenes were happening. When those things were happening in the first part

649
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,400
of the movie. And just, you know,

650
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,400
the reluctant M. You know, with Will Polk, you know, when

651
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,280
he's learning how to learn Drive the sand warm. I mean, just all

652
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,140
those things. Those. That's when I think this

653
00:31:12,140 --> 00:31:15,020
movie excels. M. And, you

654
00:31:15,020 --> 00:31:16,180
know, and so

655
00:31:17,780 --> 00:31:20,540
that those narratives were, you know,

656
00:31:20,540 --> 00:31:23,380
really, really resonated. And. And you're right. I

657
00:31:23,380 --> 00:31:25,780
mean, they really were good explorations

658
00:31:26,020 --> 00:31:28,430
of. Of, the, you know, the dangers of religious

659
00:31:28,430 --> 00:31:31,060
fanaticism. you know, we see that with the

660
00:31:31,060 --> 00:31:33,980
Fremen, you know, because even within them. Even if within The

661
00:31:33,980 --> 00:31:36,950
Fremen you had, you know, you know, there was like the north action

662
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:38,110
in the south, you know.

663
00:31:38,110 --> 00:31:38,510
>> Sarah : Yeah.

664
00:31:38,510 --> 00:31:41,390
>> Will: So, so, you know, so I,

665
00:31:41,630 --> 00:31:44,390
I, I, I really, that, that, that, that part of the

666
00:31:44,390 --> 00:31:47,110
world, exploring that world really was very

667
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:49,790
fascinating just to sort of see those aspects were out

668
00:31:50,830 --> 00:31:53,630
get, get, get, debated about. and I think that's

669
00:31:53,630 --> 00:31:56,510
where, that's where this, I think this is where, where the second

670
00:31:56,510 --> 00:31:59,490
film definitely succeeds over the first film, by

671
00:31:59,490 --> 00:32:00,450
really exploring that,

672
00:32:01,170 --> 00:32:03,330
>> Sarah : Oh yeah, the, the politics

673
00:32:04,770 --> 00:32:07,770
and, and, and, and we have now because

674
00:32:07,770 --> 00:32:10,530
we watch doom prophecy, we, we know the

675
00:32:10,530 --> 00:32:13,370
houses. This wasn't about the houses at

676
00:32:13,370 --> 00:32:16,369
all. This was about, well, arguably it's

677
00:32:16,369 --> 00:32:18,850
a little bit about Harkonnen and the treaties, but

678
00:32:19,330 --> 00:32:22,250
overall the themes and the, and the

679
00:32:22,250 --> 00:32:25,170
real deep thought pieces

680
00:32:25,490 --> 00:32:28,450
that and themes that play out throughout this

681
00:32:28,450 --> 00:32:31,090
movie have to do with the

682
00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:34,210
politics of the, of, of

683
00:32:34,290 --> 00:32:36,920
Dune, Attra. Attrakus

684
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,560
itself and, and

685
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,130
everything that's there. the, the other nice

686
00:32:43,290 --> 00:32:46,180
bit of writing that I did not catch on, the

687
00:32:46,180 --> 00:32:49,160
first time around, was, M. Ma

688
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,080
did. So that's,

689
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,880
that's his chosen name. And

690
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,640
it's based off of what they refer to as the desert

691
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,240
mouse, who you do see in the

692
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,160
movie. And, and it is a

693
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,800
creature that is able to survive,

694
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:09,220
in, in this pit, and

695
00:33:09,380 --> 00:33:12,340
rule. And, and the piece of writing that

696
00:33:12,340 --> 00:33:15,180
I thought was interesting and I did not catch the first

697
00:33:15,180 --> 00:33:17,580
time was the first time we see,

698
00:33:18,270 --> 00:33:20,940
Batista's character, Beast

699
00:33:21,020 --> 00:33:23,420
Robin. He comes in and,

700
00:33:23,980 --> 00:33:26,620
and he starts referring to the Freeman

701
00:33:26,780 --> 00:33:29,540
as rats. Like the rats are

702
00:33:29,540 --> 00:33:32,220
disrupted and this is like 20

703
00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:34,860
minutes before we, we.

704
00:33:35,260 --> 00:33:37,980
But there's, there's little beats

705
00:33:37,980 --> 00:33:40,220
like that that I think are really nice.

706
00:33:43,510 --> 00:33:46,430
I just to circle back to my favorite character and the

707
00:33:46,430 --> 00:33:49,340
favorite part of this movie. what,

708
00:33:49,420 --> 00:33:52,300
what were your thoughts throughout the

709
00:33:52,300 --> 00:33:54,620
movie with, ah, about,

710
00:33:55,420 --> 00:33:58,220
about the unborn child and. Because

711
00:33:58,220 --> 00:34:00,540
we see there's a lot of cuts

712
00:34:00,940 --> 00:34:03,420
to a baby, a fetus. Right.

713
00:34:03,820 --> 00:34:06,700
And then there are a lot of instances where

714
00:34:06,860 --> 00:34:09,660
Jessica is clear, clearly talking to her and she's

715
00:34:09,660 --> 00:34:12,380
talking back. But it isn't until

716
00:34:12,780 --> 00:34:15,740
way late when, when Will Polk sees her

717
00:34:16,540 --> 00:34:19,420
on a terra lar. Joy in the dream

718
00:34:19,420 --> 00:34:22,420
sequence that we actually start to hear her voice

719
00:34:22,420 --> 00:34:25,350
ourselves. so, so what did you think about

720
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:28,310
this whole unborn child

721
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:31,030
kind of being a major character in the movie?

722
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:32,870
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

723
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,240
>> Sarah : it, did it work?

724
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,040
>> Will: I think it, you know, I think it

725
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,760
did. I probably need to like, watch it again to like really get

726
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,440
a fuller sense of it.

727
00:34:46,900 --> 00:34:49,220
But it did work. I mean, I think

728
00:34:50,020 --> 00:34:51,700
especially, I especially.

729
00:34:53,060 --> 00:34:55,700
Well, a couple things. I think it works

730
00:34:57,700 --> 00:34:58,900
as far as,

731
00:35:02,450 --> 00:35:05,330
you know, whenever they do get the waters and you know, we see,

732
00:35:05,330 --> 00:35:08,290
you know, we see Jessica, you know, take it early on.

733
00:35:08,730 --> 00:35:11,620
>> Will: And, and then I guess, I mean, I know later in the

734
00:35:11,620 --> 00:35:14,220
film, I mean, I guess part of these. And the, the

735
00:35:14,379 --> 00:35:17,180
Benny, the, the, the other m. Reverend

736
00:35:17,180 --> 00:35:20,060
Mother was like calling Will Polk an abomination. Was, you know, I

737
00:35:20,060 --> 00:35:22,940
think. Didn't he also, if I recall, didn't he also drink the water?

738
00:35:23,340 --> 00:35:26,060
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, he had to. Like we,

739
00:35:26,620 --> 00:35:29,500
he, he had to. So what

740
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:32,380
happens is FAID comes

741
00:35:32,860 --> 00:35:35,860
and then does an attack in the north and then

742
00:35:35,860 --> 00:35:38,300
that pushes them south and

743
00:35:38,540 --> 00:35:41,499
Paul's reluctant to go. And meanwhile

744
00:35:41,580 --> 00:35:44,380
we're seeing Jessica talk to this person

745
00:35:44,780 --> 00:35:47,700
who's. We. We get shown how they even

746
00:35:47,700 --> 00:35:49,940
acquire the Water of Life.

747
00:35:49,940 --> 00:35:50,520
>> Will: Yeah.

748
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,290
>> Sarah : which is this whole ritual. And, and it's, and

749
00:35:53,290 --> 00:35:56,290
it's very clear throughout the movie as we're

750
00:35:56,290 --> 00:35:59,290
seeing this sermon ceremony from

751
00:35:59,290 --> 00:36:02,250
all of these different perspectives, men do not

752
00:36:02,250 --> 00:36:03,010
survive it.

753
00:36:03,490 --> 00:36:04,570
>> Will: Right. Yeah.

754
00:36:04,570 --> 00:36:07,440
>> Sarah : and so even Jessica herself, given the

755
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,400
fact that she's pregnant, she doesn't realize. No. If she

756
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,160
has a girl. Well, she might have, but

757
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,240
she didn't realize, I don't think at that time, if

758
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:18,820
she had a girl or boy. And,

759
00:36:18,980 --> 00:36:21,380
and then she gets forced into

760
00:36:21,620 --> 00:36:24,460
taking the Water of Life and then that allows

761
00:36:24,460 --> 00:36:27,220
her to ascend, to become the new Reverend Mother,

762
00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:30,680
Mother for the Freeman. and so she

763
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,400
sets this all up because her and the

764
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,200
baby realize Will Polk

765
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,120
has to do that. That's the only way she

766
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,920
says it. Like a good 20 minutes

767
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,770
to half hour. I think she even says it

768
00:36:44,770 --> 00:36:46,990
before she goes. And, to,

769
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,120
witness how they secure the water.

770
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,160
Like. Yeah, I,

771
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,600
and, and, and I think to go back to

772
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,480
what you said very early on,

773
00:37:00,740 --> 00:37:03,460
why it was the last step is because of that,

774
00:37:03,620 --> 00:37:06,060
that revenge seeking up and being the

775
00:37:06,060 --> 00:37:09,000
realization that you are both

776
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,560
Atreides and Harkonnen.

777
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:11,360
>> Will: Yeah.

778
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,960
>> Sarah : So, Yeah,

779
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,400
yeah, Will Polk, Will Polk took it as well.

780
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,840
>> Will: Yeah. Will Polk took it as well. Yeah. And then. Yeah.

781
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,919
I don't know if that, you know, I don't know if that helped him, like, you

782
00:37:22,919 --> 00:37:25,680
know, have a. I mean, definitely.

783
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,480
Obviously now it gives him the ability

784
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,560
to like, you know, clearly, you know, have the

785
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,520
same abilities as a Bene Gesserit, which, you know, able to tap

786
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,400
into the, you know, the ancestral

787
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,680
memories and, and, you know, and you

788
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,560
know, be able to see all the futures. And maybe that's where,

789
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,280
you know, to your point, about the conversation with, you know, with.

790
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,160
With this. With a sister. I mean, maybe that was part.

791
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,400
But I'm trying. But I guess that happened.

792
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,160
>> Sarah : That happened during the

793
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,720
Secret. It's just such a brief moment.

794
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,760
Like, Anna Taylor Joy is in the movie for five

795
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,720
seconds. She's literally the least in the movie.

796
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,520
There's a lot of people who are hardly in the mov.

797
00:38:07,380 --> 00:38:09,540
Season the least. But,

798
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:11,310
But yeah, he.

799
00:38:12,590 --> 00:38:15,470
>> Will: So, yeah, so maybe that. That

800
00:38:15,470 --> 00:38:18,390
tapped it. And it's like everything, you know, so I guess he's, you know, he

801
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:21,150
is seeing the fe. You know, he's.

802
00:38:21,310 --> 00:38:24,240
I guess he's, becoming aware of everything at

803
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:27,240
that moment. Yeah, that gives him that last little step to be able to,

804
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:27,880
you know, really.

805
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:29,960
>> Sarah : Sorcerer Supreme.

806
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:30,880
>> Will: Yeah.

807
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,480
>> Sarah : Yeah, because he's different. He's different

808
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,440
after it. He and

809
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,920
you. And you can see it. And I did, like,

810
00:38:39,550 --> 00:38:41,550
Zendaya's performance of

811
00:38:42,830 --> 00:38:45,790
her. Her. There was

812
00:38:45,790 --> 00:38:48,510
helplessness there where she just is

813
00:38:48,510 --> 00:38:51,430
like. But. But he. He's doing something

814
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:54,330
else now. And I, I know people have done

815
00:38:54,330 --> 00:38:57,090
this comparison before, but it's like he took it

816
00:38:57,090 --> 00:38:59,680
and then, he becomes, the Sorcerer

817
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,560
Supreme. Remember? Remember?

818
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,510
And, yeah. Where you can see all of the

819
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:08,310
different futures. And then it's like, no, this is the one that

820
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:11,310
we're gonna do. Because, no, like. Like,

821
00:39:11,310 --> 00:39:13,310
there was no convincing. And

822
00:39:14,590 --> 00:39:17,550
so then that leads us to the other

823
00:39:17,710 --> 00:39:20,510
question I had. My last question was really,

824
00:39:21,550 --> 00:39:23,470
so after all that process,

825
00:39:25,170 --> 00:39:27,890
when he goes, goes. He's in the

826
00:39:27,890 --> 00:39:30,850
south. There's all of these tribes, and

827
00:39:30,850 --> 00:39:32,530
then they tell him he has to kill,

828
00:39:33,790 --> 00:39:36,350
Javier Bardem's character. And,

829
00:39:36,650 --> 00:39:39,500
And then he has a speech, and it's a

830
00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:40,580
rally cry.

831
00:39:42,180 --> 00:39:44,940
And even Jessica, like, is whispering,

832
00:39:44,940 --> 00:39:47,300
slow down, you're going too fast. Or everything.

833
00:39:48,500 --> 00:39:50,580
Did. Did you buy that performance,

834
00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:52,420
in that moment?

835
00:39:52,500 --> 00:39:54,180
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did.

836
00:39:55,300 --> 00:39:57,940
Yeah, I did. I did. I completely bought that performance.

837
00:39:58,100 --> 00:40:00,940
That. That, like, I said that that was when I was like,

838
00:40:00,940 --> 00:40:03,740
okay, I made it through. And. And.

839
00:40:03,740 --> 00:40:06,700
And. And it's,

840
00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:09,580
you know, that I was. I was locked. That. That was part

841
00:40:09,580 --> 00:40:11,140
that. And also, of course, when,

842
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,010
yeah, Austin Butler's character shows up,

843
00:40:15,370 --> 00:40:18,210
because I was looking for, you know, looking for, feed

844
00:40:18,210 --> 00:40:21,090
for. For the longest time. But, yeah, those were. Those were

845
00:40:21,090 --> 00:40:23,810
the moments that. That I did buy it. I did buy it.

846
00:40:23,970 --> 00:40:26,720
it was just like, okay, I felt. I felt that that was an earned moment.

847
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,160
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, I. I felt like it

848
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,780
was earned. but I will

849
00:40:32,940 --> 00:40:35,820
again. I don't. I don't know, because I Even

850
00:40:36,140 --> 00:40:38,700
after I watched the first time, I listened to,

851
00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:41,980
Kind of Funny has a great movie review because

852
00:40:42,780 --> 00:40:44,640
Nic, and Kevin have both read the books.

853
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:45,520
>> Will: Okay.

854
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,560
>> Sarah : so they're like, so. And like the

855
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:49,120
books.

856
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,920
Yeah. So like, I even listened to,

857
00:40:56,180 --> 00:40:58,970
their discussion about it. But then

858
00:40:59,530 --> 00:41:02,170
for whatever reason, when I watched it again yesterday,

859
00:41:02,730 --> 00:41:05,510
so minutes, so much more came to light. And then I

860
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:08,110
even started re. Watching their review of it.

861
00:41:08,510 --> 00:41:11,150
And then. And so it is, it is.

862
00:41:12,510 --> 00:41:12,870
>> Will: The.

863
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:15,590
>> Sarah : The lore is so big with this.

864
00:41:15,590 --> 00:41:16,670
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

865
00:41:17,390 --> 00:41:20,270
>> Sarah : That I'm sure, I'm sure that there

866
00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:22,990
are, There are thesises out there

867
00:41:23,470 --> 00:41:26,310
that will nitpick and tell you every little

868
00:41:26,310 --> 00:41:29,230
thing. And we probably just did the surface level.

869
00:41:31,550 --> 00:41:34,470
Yeah. It's also. The movie's been out for a while and the

870
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:35,550
book even longer.

871
00:41:38,830 --> 00:41:41,320
>> Will: Y'. All. But. Yeah, but. No, but, Yeah,

872
00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:44,520
I completely agree with you. I mean, yeah, I mean, you know

873
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,440
how you feel like sometimes with Star Trek. That's

874
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:48,520
how I feel with Dune.

875
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,520
Because I know. I will freely admit I am

876
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,790
not. I, you know, haven't.

877
00:41:56,670 --> 00:41:59,470
This is not a universe that I have, you know, in my

878
00:41:59,470 --> 00:42:02,370
Sci Fi journey.

879
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,320
is. I'm not, you know, I'm not doing it. I'm not.

880
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,079
And you know, it took me a while to get to the first

881
00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:11,930
film. I did watch the 84 David lynch

882
00:42:11,930 --> 00:42:14,700
version. I didn't. I don't think I

883
00:42:14,700 --> 00:42:17,550
watched the Sci Fi Channel version of it. and you know,

884
00:42:17,550 --> 00:42:20,390
obviously with Denny's movies, it's taken me a while to

885
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:23,390
get, you know, it took me forever to get to the first one and now, you know,

886
00:42:23,390 --> 00:42:25,310
it took me almost a year to watch the second one.

887
00:42:26,430 --> 00:42:29,350
So I'm not a Dune head, but I

888
00:42:29,350 --> 00:42:32,350
will, you know, but I'm glad I did watch it because

889
00:42:33,150 --> 00:42:35,790
this film, and I, I know we ain't even, you know, we hadn't even talked about,

890
00:42:35,830 --> 00:42:38,820
Austin Butler and, and, and, and I mean, I know

891
00:42:38,820 --> 00:42:41,540
we did before recording, but, but I am

892
00:42:41,540 --> 00:42:44,460
glad I did because I feel like I, I would

893
00:42:44,460 --> 00:42:46,740
have missed out on it on an epic

894
00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:50,860
film that, that needs to be

895
00:42:50,860 --> 00:42:51,380
watched.

896
00:42:51,690 --> 00:42:54,530
>> Sarah : Are you a little mad that you didn't watch it in

897
00:42:54,530 --> 00:42:55,130
theaters?

898
00:42:55,530 --> 00:42:58,410
>> Will: I am, yeah. I am just like I was with the

899
00:42:58,410 --> 00:42:58,890
first one.

900
00:42:59,210 --> 00:42:59,610
>> Sarah : Yeah.

901
00:42:59,610 --> 00:43:02,490
>> Will: Because the, the scale and the scope and I am,

902
00:43:02,490 --> 00:43:05,130
you know, so when Doom Messiah comes out, I'm.

903
00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:08,300
My ass will be in. Well, my butt will be in the seat.

904
00:43:09,660 --> 00:43:10,780
>> Sarah : You heard it here.

905
00:43:13,420 --> 00:43:16,340
>> Will: Yeah. Because this is twice now where I'm just like, damn it, I should

906
00:43:16,340 --> 00:43:19,180
have watched this in the Theater. Because this, the size and this is

907
00:43:19,180 --> 00:43:21,260
scale and the scope and the

908
00:43:21,260 --> 00:43:24,060
cinematography and everything. I mean,

909
00:43:24,220 --> 00:43:27,140
you know, I'm glad Denny is doing the James Bond

910
00:43:27,140 --> 00:43:29,940
franchise moving forward because, you know,

911
00:43:29,940 --> 00:43:32,740
whatever you think about his storytelling abilities, the

912
00:43:32,740 --> 00:43:35,490
man can shoot. Shoot a movie. He can direct.

913
00:43:35,490 --> 00:43:38,170
>> Sarah : Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He,

914
00:43:38,570 --> 00:43:40,250
he knows scale.

915
00:43:40,650 --> 00:43:41,170
>> Will: Yeah.

916
00:43:41,170 --> 00:43:43,620
>> Sarah : So well. And I, I, think.

917
00:43:44,100 --> 00:43:46,550
I think with a lot of his, set

918
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:49,270
pieces, he knows how to create

919
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:52,360
space. because we talk about this a

920
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,970
lot about, especially with

921
00:43:55,210 --> 00:43:57,520
the, the comic books stuff, and

922
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,480
you have these large set pieces and

923
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,560
there's so much going on and it becomes so chaotic and

924
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,400
then it just, it just gets jumbled and it,

925
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,280
it. You don't know where people are

926
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,920
and you're just like, okay, Uh-huh. But

927
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,120
with a lot of the execution of the

928
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,000
big set pieces here, I don't think

929
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,950
people got lost. I, I

930
00:44:21,950 --> 00:44:24,590
feel like there was a, there was a,

931
00:44:25,180 --> 00:44:28,060
almost a cleanness about

932
00:44:28,460 --> 00:44:31,080
how the, the, action

933
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,000
sequences were framed and set up

934
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,960
and designed, that in such a

935
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,720
dirty place. It just felt very clear

936
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:42,950
and centered. so I, I agree

937
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:46,070
that him going over into the

938
00:44:46,070 --> 00:44:48,310
spy action thriller genre,

939
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:52,110
very different, arguably different set pieces.

940
00:44:52,110 --> 00:44:54,950
You mean you're not building an entire world. That was

941
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:56,750
the other thing that,

942
00:45:02,100 --> 00:45:03,460
It didn't feel fake.

943
00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:05,940
>> Will: No, it, no, that's the thing.

944
00:45:06,260 --> 00:45:08,180
>> Sarah : It felt like a lived in place.

945
00:45:08,580 --> 00:45:11,500
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, that, that as I was

946
00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:14,420
watching especially, like, yeah, I was watching some of the scenes, I was

947
00:45:14,420 --> 00:45:17,340
thinking that very thing. It was like, you know, with the help, with

948
00:45:17,340 --> 00:45:20,260
the, with the, the, the aircraft and

949
00:45:20,260 --> 00:45:22,900
spaceship, I mean, you know,

950
00:45:23,220 --> 00:45:26,180
it did, it just felt real and

951
00:45:26,260 --> 00:45:29,220
it didn't feel like I was watching stuff on a blue screen or

952
00:45:29,220 --> 00:45:31,860
greens or in the, or in the volume. I mean,

953
00:45:32,340 --> 00:45:35,140
it just, just tactile. I mean, and

954
00:45:35,140 --> 00:45:38,020
even the TV show, I mean, was also that

955
00:45:38,020 --> 00:45:40,420
same way. But in the film, I mean,

956
00:45:41,300 --> 00:45:44,050
that was another thing that I really just, Again,

957
00:45:44,850 --> 00:45:47,770
my ass will be in the theater when the

958
00:45:47,770 --> 00:45:50,690
third movie comes out, because I have now watched it twice.

959
00:45:50,690 --> 00:45:53,410
I'm sitting here at home and I feel like.

960
00:45:54,370 --> 00:45:57,290
I feel. I feel like I robbed myself of

961
00:45:57,290 --> 00:45:59,010
a cinematic experience.

962
00:45:59,890 --> 00:46:00,370
>> Sarah : Yeah.

963
00:46:00,690 --> 00:46:01,170
>> Will: Yeah.

964
00:46:02,210 --> 00:46:05,010
>> Sarah : All right, well, that brings us to,

965
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,021
Peacemaker, Season 2, Episode

966
00:46:08,112 --> 00:46:10,280
4. Need I say door?

967
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:14,010
where. And I, I did not realize

968
00:46:14,010 --> 00:46:16,610
this. And I don't know if you've picked up on this. Every

969
00:46:16,610 --> 00:46:19,420
episode so far has, ah, began

970
00:46:19,420 --> 00:46:20,540
with a flashback.

971
00:46:22,700 --> 00:46:25,380
And, and this flashback is

972
00:46:25,380 --> 00:46:28,380
35 years ago. And immediately

973
00:46:28,380 --> 00:46:30,940
you're like, oh, there's Augie and His sons,

974
00:46:32,860 --> 00:46:35,630
they kill an alien. They, they miss m. They

975
00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:38,270
must. They mistook an

976
00:46:38,270 --> 00:46:41,150
alien for a deer or a deer for an alien.

977
00:46:41,390 --> 00:46:44,240
And, they didn't have any questions about where

978
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:47,000
did it come from or anything. But the alien

979
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,440
leads them to a door, and the door

980
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,190
essentially is, what

981
00:46:52,190 --> 00:46:54,830
we learn in the future is

982
00:46:54,910 --> 00:46:57,730
the portal. so,

983
00:46:57,730 --> 00:46:59,810
so Auggie is not a super genius.

984
00:47:01,090 --> 00:47:03,570
He, he, he's just Auggie. And,

985
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,760
yeah, that. So, so we get, we get,

986
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,680
we get essentially this episode, because

987
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,680
it's called, Need I say Door is about the door,

988
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,680
the portal. And, and now the

989
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,610
dilemmas. because with every episode, just like

990
00:47:18,610 --> 00:47:21,370
I said, every episode begins with Flashlight. And

991
00:47:21,450 --> 00:47:24,200
so far, every episode has begun with, well,

992
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,320
things are about to hit each other, but we're

993
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,960
gonna wait until next week to explain it.

994
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:30,880
>> Will: Yeah.

995
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:31,400
>> Sarah : Okay.

996
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,080
>> Will: I will say with the flashback, I had a thought about the, you know,

997
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,160
thought about this especially, that we learned,

998
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:43,670
that Augie didn't make any

999
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:46,670
of the helmets and stuff. I, I,

1000
00:47:46,670 --> 00:47:49,590
I, you know, how that alien, like, keeps popping up in the,

1001
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:52,710
quantum chamber. I was, I was

1002
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:55,350
like, I wonder if that's the person who makes all these,

1003
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:58,430
makes all the, all the things for, for

1004
00:47:58,430 --> 00:48:01,270
Peacemaker. Because the guy, he just keeps showing up.

1005
00:48:02,070 --> 00:48:04,990
And even though Chris, like, you know, you know, tells him to

1006
00:48:04,990 --> 00:48:07,750
go, you know, calls him rude and all that other stuff, I mean,

1007
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:10,470
there's, there's got to be something to this, there's got to be something

1008
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:13,150
deeper to this gag for James to be, like,

1009
00:48:13,150 --> 00:48:16,030
continuing to, like, have it show up. And even the, even the

1010
00:48:16,030 --> 00:48:18,660
creature, even the alien shows up in the beginning, in the opening

1011
00:48:18,660 --> 00:48:21,620
credits too. So, yeah, I might

1012
00:48:21,620 --> 00:48:21,860
be.

1013
00:48:21,860 --> 00:48:24,620
>> Sarah : No, I'm right there with you. I'm right there with you about the

1014
00:48:24,620 --> 00:48:26,940
alien. I mean, for all we know

1015
00:48:27,580 --> 00:48:30,300
that the alien that they accidentally killed

1016
00:48:30,300 --> 00:48:33,020
is the brother of the alien that we

1017
00:48:33,020 --> 00:48:35,740
see go in and out of the portal all the time.

1018
00:48:36,220 --> 00:48:39,180
I don't think it's making the helmets, per se,

1019
00:48:39,580 --> 00:48:42,540
but I do think that it there, because

1020
00:48:42,620 --> 00:48:45,610
if you're in the opening dance sequence, you

1021
00:48:45,610 --> 00:48:48,450
are essential character in this show. So

1022
00:48:49,010 --> 00:48:51,890
there's, there's definitely. I thought,

1023
00:48:51,970 --> 00:48:54,900
I, I will be honest with you. I thought at the

1024
00:48:54,900 --> 00:48:57,900
beginning when we first see him, oh, that's

1025
00:48:57,900 --> 00:49:00,379
going to be the alien version of Peacemaker.

1026
00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:05,580
>> Will: I mean, it's possible. It is 99 doors.

1027
00:49:05,980 --> 00:49:08,780
>> Sarah : Totally possible. And I think it's just like

1028
00:49:09,180 --> 00:49:12,010
Peacemaker this and that, but

1029
00:49:12,250 --> 00:49:14,970
maybe that's a bit on the nose. I don't know.

1030
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:18,470
but, but yeah, I I'm glad you brought that

1031
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:21,030
up because the, the

1032
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:23,910
alien definitely needs to get talked about

1033
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:26,870
more and they, they are

1034
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:29,750
saving that for, for some kind of,

1035
00:49:29,870 --> 00:49:32,750
tie into the hijinks

1036
00:49:32,750 --> 00:49:34,190
that have been brewing.

1037
00:49:35,860 --> 00:49:38,540
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. But you're all right. I mean,

1038
00:49:38,540 --> 00:49:41,500
every, every week we, we get like this build up because we

1039
00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:44,340
thought we were going to get this big set. You know,

1040
00:49:44,900 --> 00:49:47,140
the way things ended with episode three

1041
00:49:47,780 --> 00:49:50,659
and we get to this and you know, we,

1042
00:49:50,659 --> 00:49:53,540
what we do get is just sort of a, a

1043
00:49:53,780 --> 00:49:56,750
repeat of a sequence that we got, in, in,

1044
00:49:56,750 --> 00:49:59,470
in the first season. But instead of being the 11th street

1045
00:49:59,470 --> 00:50:02,050
kids, it's like with, with the Argus gang,

1046
00:50:02,180 --> 00:50:04,400
bickering over, over a wink.

1047
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,120
>> Sarah : Oh yeah, the, the wink, which, which

1048
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,440
I like the payoff later,

1049
00:50:11,730 --> 00:50:14,640
after, Economist has had enough of

1050
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,400
being called. What is it? Cold Ginger.

1051
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:17,840
Ginger.

1052
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,720
>> Will: Cold Ginger cool.

1053
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,170
>> Sarah : Ginger cool. he spits

1054
00:50:22,490 --> 00:50:25,290
onto, onto what,

1055
00:50:25,370 --> 00:50:26,330
what is his name?

1056
00:50:26,730 --> 00:50:27,450
>> Will: Flurry.

1057
00:50:27,770 --> 00:50:30,410
>> Sarah : Flurry. Flurry, yeah. Yeah, he spits on to

1058
00:50:30,410 --> 00:50:33,220
Flurry, and, and not I.

1059
00:50:33,300 --> 00:50:35,500
And it's also like the, the

1060
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:38,420
decode him trying to delay,

1061
00:50:39,230 --> 00:50:41,550
hacking into the door while,

1062
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,630
while Chris, is with

1063
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:47,440
Abadayo who, who managed to pick

1064
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,360
him up and, and they are trying

1065
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,200
to move the door to his grandfather's cabin.

1066
00:50:53,780 --> 00:50:56,340
so because the door can be moved apparently.

1067
00:50:58,340 --> 00:51:01,180
That's very convenient. I,

1068
00:51:01,260 --> 00:51:04,180
I, I do think that, finally,

1069
00:51:04,740 --> 00:51:07,740
finally, ah, Harcourt is not my least

1070
00:51:07,740 --> 00:51:10,150
favorite part of an episode. She had

1071
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:12,960
arguably the best scene in this movie, in this

1072
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,810
episode, the scene between her and Rick Flag.

1073
00:51:16,210 --> 00:51:16,770
>> Will: Yeah.

1074
00:51:16,770 --> 00:51:19,570
>> Sarah : Because I brought this up last week. I was like, we need

1075
00:51:19,570 --> 00:51:22,050
to know if she knew. She's known.

1076
00:51:22,930 --> 00:51:24,450
She's known the whole time.

1077
00:51:24,850 --> 00:51:27,810
>> Will: Yep. I thought about you as soon as that scene went down. I was like, oh,

1078
00:51:27,810 --> 00:51:28,770
you got your answer, sir.

1079
00:51:29,170 --> 00:51:31,890
>> Sarah : Yeah. But I also, I have to give it

1080
00:51:31,890 --> 00:51:33,840
up, to Rick,

1081
00:51:34,060 --> 00:51:36,470
ah, Frank

1082
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:39,470
Grillo. he, he does a really

1083
00:51:40,110 --> 00:51:42,110
good job in that whole scene.

1084
00:51:43,470 --> 00:51:44,190
just because

1085
00:51:47,310 --> 00:51:49,389
honestly, I thought it was gonna go one way,

1086
00:51:50,190 --> 00:51:52,270
but there was, it was so subdued

1087
00:51:53,390 --> 00:51:56,070
and, and I, I, I

1088
00:51:56,070 --> 00:51:58,350
liked that because it felt more

1089
00:51:58,350 --> 00:52:00,820
calculated, it felt, felt more

1090
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,520
arguably menacing than if he

1091
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,830
had come in, and been

1092
00:52:07,310 --> 00:52:09,820
more over the top. but,

1093
00:52:10,540 --> 00:52:13,020
but I, I also appreciate

1094
00:52:13,580 --> 00:52:15,740
how the scene was written because

1095
00:52:17,660 --> 00:52:19,900
there's, they clearly knew each other

1096
00:52:20,940 --> 00:52:23,660
have their, their, their relationship

1097
00:52:24,550 --> 00:52:27,460
throughout the death of, Rick Flag

1098
00:52:27,460 --> 00:52:30,140
Jr. Pre,

1099
00:52:30,780 --> 00:52:33,210
pre, Death. Now post death,

1100
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,000
post Amanda Waller. Like all

1101
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,920
of that is so interesting. And then

1102
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:43,200
also the how their relationship,

1103
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,200
even though they both,

1104
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,440
because of their line of work.

1105
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,880
There's so much familiarity and

1106
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,760
similarities between these two characters, yet

1107
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,280
how they perceive

1108
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,720
that death and that kill,

1109
00:53:01,790 --> 00:53:03,010
is utterly different.

1110
00:53:04,690 --> 00:53:07,410
and, and it's not just because, well, that was the

1111
00:53:07,410 --> 00:53:10,210
father. She like she loved him too.

1112
00:53:10,910 --> 00:53:13,200
in her own, like that was a

1113
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,760
relationship and, and there was,

1114
00:53:16,220 --> 00:53:19,100
but she's also the type who

1115
00:53:20,430 --> 00:53:23,150
and, and how she has been okay with it

1116
00:53:23,310 --> 00:53:26,110
is like she, she blames Waller,

1117
00:53:26,110 --> 00:53:27,390
she doesn't blame Chris.

1118
00:53:29,010 --> 00:53:31,890
but I also will, I, it just makes me

1119
00:53:31,890 --> 00:53:32,290
wonder

1120
00:53:35,010 --> 00:53:37,810
because she's got to know Chris over the

1121
00:53:37,810 --> 00:53:40,290
last season and a half. Right.

1122
00:53:40,730 --> 00:53:42,970
And they've had plenty of off screen

1123
00:53:42,970 --> 00:53:45,850
opportunities to have a conversation like

1124
00:53:46,330 --> 00:53:49,330
why I think she, I

1125
00:53:49,330 --> 00:53:51,770
think if he would know her

1126
00:53:51,770 --> 00:53:54,690
perspective on that, that would

1127
00:53:54,690 --> 00:53:57,130
relieve some guilt for him.

1128
00:53:57,610 --> 00:53:58,170
>> Will: Yeah.

1129
00:53:59,930 --> 00:54:02,220
>> Sarah : So, I just don't know why that hasn't happened.

1130
00:54:02,780 --> 00:54:04,300
>> Will: Maybe that's what they're building towards.

1131
00:54:05,420 --> 00:54:07,500
>> Sarah : Maybe. But then it makes me question

1132
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:10,950
and, and, and I, I,

1133
00:54:12,070 --> 00:54:15,030
I appreciate we got an answer to that question,

1134
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:18,590
but I think I said it last week too that

1135
00:54:18,590 --> 00:54:21,190
even if we get an answer, there's something still

1136
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:24,220
off about this. Just because of how the first season

1137
00:54:24,220 --> 00:54:26,220
plays out. Like,

1138
00:54:27,100 --> 00:54:30,020
because I felt like that was a big, it wasn't

1139
00:54:30,020 --> 00:54:32,780
a big point, but it was something that was brought up

1140
00:54:32,780 --> 00:54:35,700
time and time again and

1141
00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:38,420
now we're, I don't know. But I also

1142
00:54:38,420 --> 00:54:41,260
understand why it's so important such

1143
00:54:41,260 --> 00:54:43,870
a key point this season because

1144
00:54:43,870 --> 00:54:46,870
it's like Waller's no longer in charge. It's Rick

1145
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:49,550
Flag's junior and, or senior in charge.

1146
00:54:49,790 --> 00:54:52,130
So, but

1147
00:54:52,450 --> 00:54:55,330
yeah, I, I mean I,

1148
00:54:55,410 --> 00:54:58,170
I don't, I don't think I'll ever be satisfied with

1149
00:54:58,170 --> 00:55:00,890
that. And yes, they could build to that kind of

1150
00:55:00,890 --> 00:55:03,580
resolution, but then I will always, always think

1151
00:55:03,580 --> 00:55:06,460
what, why did it, why is this happening now and

1152
00:55:06,460 --> 00:55:07,060
not earlier?

1153
00:55:07,700 --> 00:55:10,620
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. Well, we're halfway through to, we're halfway through the

1154
00:55:10,620 --> 00:55:13,420
season and, and you

1155
00:55:13,420 --> 00:55:14,900
know, and so if

1156
00:55:16,580 --> 00:55:19,339
we, to your point, you know,

1157
00:55:19,339 --> 00:55:21,220
Chris, you know, of course

1158
00:55:22,340 --> 00:55:25,300
hardcore wants to get, get back

1159
00:55:25,300 --> 00:55:28,180
on the right side of the other book and

1160
00:55:28,260 --> 00:55:30,960
be able to work again. and you know, and,

1161
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,800
and I, you know, she does call Chris,

1162
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,120
I mean she does, you know, Chris calls her and

1163
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,000
tells her, you know, where to meet and stuff and she does share it with

1164
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,920
Rick. And, and so

1165
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,560
do you think, do you think Chris like

1166
00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:52,600
bells on, on the meeting or something?

1167
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:53,080
You.

1168
00:55:56,380 --> 00:55:58,460
>> Sarah : I, I, I know where you're going with this.

1169
00:55:58,780 --> 00:55:59,180
>> Will: Yeah.

1170
00:55:59,180 --> 00:56:01,180
>> Sarah : I can, I can see Chris

1171
00:56:01,500 --> 00:56:04,190
bailing, and not going to,

1172
00:56:04,270 --> 00:56:06,750
and going to. Well,

1173
00:56:07,230 --> 00:56:09,750
that wouldn't make sense because he's. He's

1174
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:12,030
leaving where the door is.

1175
00:56:12,270 --> 00:56:12,830
>> Will: Exactly.

1176
00:56:12,830 --> 00:56:15,830
>> Sarah : Because he's not driving to go see

1177
00:56:15,830 --> 00:56:18,430
the other hardcourt. He is

1178
00:56:18,510 --> 00:56:21,000
going there. but

1179
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,120
I don't know, with

1180
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,000
how she's playing it, I

1181
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,680
can't say for a hundred percent that

1182
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:30,040
she,

1183
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,120
that she's not going to do something

1184
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:37,960
that like,

1185
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,840
allows her to play both sides.

1186
00:56:43,240 --> 00:56:45,560
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

1187
00:56:45,970 --> 00:56:47,480
>> Sarah : So. So, I guess

1188
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,360
it's. It's also. Well, again, we're

1189
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,040
halfway through the season, so we got another

1190
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,760
four episodes, so we know

1191
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,680
that something happens where this

1192
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,480
doesn't go necessarily all

1193
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,840
according to Rick Flag Senior's plan.

1194
00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:07,400
>> Will: Yeah, exactly.

1195
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,590
Yeah. because I'm like. I mean,

1196
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,080
does she, like, tip Chris off or. I don't know.

1197
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,080
I'm just like I said, I mean, how. How does she, how does she threaten? Because

1198
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,880
we're. We're waiting,

1199
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,890
you know, we're waiting to see

1200
00:57:23,890 --> 00:57:26,769
how they thread, you know, where. Where

1201
00:57:26,769 --> 00:57:29,570
the other street drops in, in both, in

1202
00:57:29,570 --> 00:57:32,410
both universes. And maybe, you know, because.

1203
00:57:32,570 --> 00:57:35,130
Because we know at some point we're gonna have to go back to

1204
00:57:35,450 --> 00:57:38,290
Earth 2 and. And

1205
00:57:38,290 --> 00:57:41,250
resolve those kind of things. So, you know, does

1206
00:57:41,250 --> 00:57:44,090
Chris turn around and like, you

1207
00:57:44,090 --> 00:57:46,930
know, go, like you said, go back to the, to the, to the

1208
00:57:46,930 --> 00:57:49,650
shed, to the cabin and, and, and. And go

1209
00:57:49,650 --> 00:57:52,610
see Hardcore two and Earth two? Or

1210
00:57:52,610 --> 00:57:55,250
maybe he. He does see, maybe

1211
00:57:56,450 --> 00:57:59,260
some, Because I, you know, because how I thought things were going on

1212
00:57:59,260 --> 00:58:02,100
sort of, you know, like. Like this week, for example, they set

1213
00:58:02,100 --> 00:58:04,580
things up like Chris has heading, you know, back.

1214
00:58:05,060 --> 00:58:07,780
You know, he came. He came back to the house and

1215
00:58:08,260 --> 00:58:11,180
they were doing, you know, it seemed like they were setting up this

1216
00:58:11,180 --> 00:58:14,020
whole thing where Argus was going to be able to,

1217
00:58:14,260 --> 00:58:16,820
you know, to get the door, but then they have, they have the

1218
00:58:16,820 --> 00:58:19,779
convenience of, you know,

1219
00:58:20,180 --> 00:58:23,140
that moving the door. Yeah, be. Be

1220
00:58:23,140 --> 00:58:26,060
able to move the door. So now I'm. Now, Now I'm to

1221
00:58:26,060 --> 00:58:28,980
the place where I'm like, okay, instead of.

1222
00:58:29,060 --> 00:58:32,060
I guess I'm trying to, Instead of just letting

1223
00:58:32,060 --> 00:58:34,860
things just roll and just watch it as it comes. I'm already.

1224
00:58:34,860 --> 00:58:37,460
I'm thinking like, ahead, like, okay, now how is.

1225
00:58:37,940 --> 00:58:40,900
Where is James going to go in this story to

1226
00:58:40,900 --> 00:58:42,340
like, prolong.

1227
00:58:43,540 --> 00:58:44,900
Prolong this

1228
00:58:46,340 --> 00:58:49,300
moment? You know, because when I

1229
00:58:49,300 --> 00:58:52,260
thought we were going to get, you know, last week, we. I thought,

1230
00:58:52,260 --> 00:58:54,820
you know, we're gonna. We're gonna have Argus like, Babe, you know,

1231
00:58:56,670 --> 00:58:59,350
get. Get to any. The trap door is. Be able to move the

1232
00:58:59,350 --> 00:59:02,230
door. So now, you know, it looks like Harcourt is going

1233
00:59:02,230 --> 00:59:05,110
to turn Chris Chris and over to Rick

1234
00:59:05,110 --> 00:59:07,750
Flag Senior. But something's going to happen in the

1235
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:10,710
drive there that Chris is either not

1236
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:13,260
going to make it to there or, or

1237
00:59:13,260 --> 00:59:16,100
hardcore. It's going to, like, have second thoughts

1238
00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:19,100
and. And, you know, actually tells Rick,

1239
00:59:19,100 --> 00:59:21,900
you know, actually he's going somewhere else. Then you can force. You got,

1240
00:59:22,210 --> 00:59:24,690
you know, you got captain Captain. You have captain cultural

1241
00:59:24,690 --> 00:59:27,600
appropriation. you know, fair, you know, has

1242
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,560
sorted out where Eagly is. So. Well, you know, so is that

1243
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,400
going to be the thing that, you know, that detours Chris from

1244
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,519
actually meeting up a hardcore? Because there's. That. There's that aspect of the story

1245
00:59:37,519 --> 00:59:40,360
too, so. Or even Judah.

1246
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,320
Yeah. So I'm just. I'm just trying to figure out, like, where. Where are they going to go with

1247
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,960
this as far as, like. Because I know they're not going to, like, have.

1248
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,490
They're not going to have Chris and. And Rick, like, Face

1249
00:59:49,490 --> 00:59:50,690
off in episode five.

1250
00:59:51,970 --> 00:59:52,610
>> Sarah : They could.

1251
00:59:53,330 --> 00:59:56,090
>> Will: They could. They could.

1252
00:59:56,090 --> 00:59:58,540
>> Sarah : Now, for all of our

1253
00:59:58,540 --> 01:00:01,500
listeners also, I love how Will is spinning his

1254
01:00:01,500 --> 01:00:04,500
wheels about this, knowing that we're headed into Gen

1255
01:00:04,500 --> 01:00:06,940
V week. So next week we aren't talking

1256
01:00:06,940 --> 01:00:09,820
Peacemaker, and we are both not

1257
01:00:09,820 --> 01:00:12,700
allowed to watch the next episode of Peacemaker

1258
01:00:12,700 --> 01:00:14,260
until after next.

1259
01:00:15,460 --> 01:00:17,700
>> Will: Exactly. So just like, dang, I got it.

1260
01:00:19,780 --> 01:00:20,740
>> Sarah : And meanwhile.

1261
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,680
>> Will: Meanwhile, piece rules. Yeah, Piece

1262
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:25,520
rules. Kick in.

1263
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,600
>> Sarah : the one Piece rules that have kicked in. And. And

1264
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,600
I'm just. Meanwhile, I'm just like, sitting back. Like,

1265
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,720
I don't. I'm not thinking too far ahead on

1266
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,360
this show because we. We're taking off a week

1267
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,400
and this show, I. And I

1268
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,400
don't. I. I hate to ve a broken record about it,

1269
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,210
but this season,

1270
01:00:47,780 --> 01:00:50,250
there's. It's not that I'm not

1271
01:00:50,250 --> 01:00:52,900
enjoying it, and for its

1272
01:00:52,900 --> 01:00:55,140
strings, I just don't like

1273
01:00:55,780 --> 01:00:58,180
the continuation. Continual,

1274
01:00:59,830 --> 01:01:02,630
cliffhangers. Like. Like,

1275
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:05,710
I. I feel like every episode has begun with the

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flashback, and every episode has led to

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01:01:08,550 --> 01:01:10,710
a cliffhanger that you think

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01:01:11,370 --> 01:01:13,730
is going. There's going to be some big

1279
01:01:13,730 --> 01:01:16,690
resolution in the next episode, and

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01:01:16,690 --> 01:01:18,090
it's. There's not.

1281
01:01:20,890 --> 01:01:23,770
And. And that just. It just bothers

1282
01:01:23,850 --> 01:01:26,840
me because, Because that

1283
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,520
just makes me want to binge. I. I do.

1284
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,480
I. I'm. I'm gonna be very curious in two

1285
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,320
weeks when we're able to watch both episodes

1286
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,110
five and six back to back if I'm going to have a

1287
01:01:38,110 --> 01:01:41,030
very different experience. And my

1288
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:43,950
money is I'm going to appreciate those episodes a

1289
01:01:43,950 --> 01:01:46,830
lot better because I don't have to

1290
01:01:46,830 --> 01:01:47,470
wait a week.

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01:01:47,470 --> 01:01:49,830
>> Will: In between well, see, I,

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01:01:50,550 --> 01:01:53,470
Yeah, I should have told you at

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01:01:53,470 --> 01:01:56,430
the, at the outset. Like, you can't, you can't use the binge.

1294
01:01:56,430 --> 01:01:58,280
You can't use the binge excuse this week. but,

1295
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,120
but for me, I'll tell you where I'm enjoying

1296
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,940
these episodes. But you know how I started off our

1297
01:02:04,940 --> 01:02:07,900
discussion about the, the bit with the,

1298
01:02:07,900 --> 01:02:10,670
with the van, different, different folks,

1299
01:02:11,230 --> 01:02:13,950
but basically just

1300
01:02:14,030 --> 01:02:16,670
switch out our kids with, with the ARGUS

1301
01:02:16,670 --> 01:02:19,470
crew. I'm starting to see the,

1302
01:02:19,630 --> 01:02:22,390
the repetitive pattern of. To your

1303
01:02:22,390 --> 01:02:25,390
point, and I think so. I'm enjoying the episode. I'm

1304
01:02:25,390 --> 01:02:27,840
enjoying the show. But, but,

1305
01:02:28,380 --> 01:02:30,300
it's not hitting me like season one did.

1306
01:02:30,620 --> 01:02:31,820
>> Sarah : Yeah, exactly.

1307
01:02:32,220 --> 01:02:35,000
>> Will: Yeah. and it's not saying it's bad because it's not,

1308
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,160
it's not bad at all. It's just, it's just I'm seeing the patterns in

1309
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,870
James Gunn's writing right now. So, so,

1310
01:02:42,070 --> 01:02:44,590
yeah, hopefully, you know, so hopefully, like, to your point,

1311
01:02:44,590 --> 01:02:47,510
episodes, you know, maybe episode five will finally,

1312
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:50,150
like, we get. We, we don't spin our wheels so,

1313
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:52,790
so much because I do feel like

1314
01:02:53,140 --> 01:02:56,060
sometimes, I mean, there were some nice things that we, you know, that

1315
01:02:56,060 --> 01:02:58,980
we, we do get in this episode. I mean, we learn more about,

1316
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,550
about Economist's background as far as, like, you know,

1317
01:03:03,110 --> 01:03:05,910
how he got recruited into Argus, as far as, like, you know,

1318
01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:08,870
hacking into the CIA. So those are nice little character beats

1319
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:11,450
that we're learning. I feel like, I feel like

1320
01:03:11,450 --> 01:03:14,290
Adrian, this season has been criminally, I mean,

1321
01:03:14,930 --> 01:03:17,790
underutilized. the moments I

1322
01:03:17,790 --> 01:03:20,390
did like the most really, with this episode with,

1323
01:03:20,470 --> 01:03:23,470
was Adebayo. And, you

1324
01:03:23,470 --> 01:03:26,350
know, the moments that I still like with

1325
01:03:26,350 --> 01:03:29,270
her and Chris when they have their, like this

1326
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:32,029
week, whenever she was, you know, she

1327
01:03:32,029 --> 01:03:34,870
had placed the ad in a magazine and, and,

1328
01:03:35,750 --> 01:03:38,700
and Chris, like. Well, actually, ads, you know,

1329
01:03:38,700 --> 01:03:41,220
this is just. There's only like 12 people who subscribe to this thing,

1330
01:03:41,860 --> 01:03:44,720
but it just, Whenever they have their moments together,

1331
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,280
it just, they, I mean, John

1332
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,720
Scene N and Daniel Brooks's place

1333
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,920
act so well off each other. I just love the

1334
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,840
gin. There's this, I feel like a genuineness and,

1335
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,280
and moments between those two,

1336
01:03:58,680 --> 01:03:59,960
between the two of them that.

1337
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,120
Yeah. You know, so I, I look forward to their

1338
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,960
scenes together because I just feel like some of the. Sometimes the other

1339
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,440
one is just sort of like, don't hit

1340
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,480
me as much as they should. They should.

1341
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,400
>> Sarah : Yeah, I, I agree. That was. The other

1342
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,560
standout moment was when Chris and

1343
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,220
Abadayo got, had a

1344
01:04:21,220 --> 01:04:23,860
hard heart because I, I,

1345
01:04:24,020 --> 01:04:26,500
I like It. Because she's. That.

1346
01:04:27,300 --> 01:04:30,260
I don't want to say Devil, but I also don't want

1347
01:04:30,260 --> 01:04:33,060
to say angel on his shoulder of trying to be like.

1348
01:04:33,530 --> 01:04:36,450
She definitely was playing Devil's advocate when he

1349
01:04:36,450 --> 01:04:39,210
was explaining to her what he's experienced.

1350
01:04:39,690 --> 01:04:42,610
And I. All I could think was, though, I was

1351
01:04:42,610 --> 01:04:44,650
like, I wanted this

1352
01:04:44,730 --> 01:04:47,610
conversation in, like, episode two,

1353
01:04:48,730 --> 01:04:51,610
like. And I. Also with her.

1354
01:04:52,730 --> 01:04:55,690
I. I mean, I. I think. And I've said this before

1355
01:04:55,770 --> 01:04:58,750
about all of the supporting cast. I think in

1356
01:04:58,750 --> 01:05:00,790
a weird way, they're all being underused.

1357
01:05:01,910 --> 01:05:04,830
It's a very strange thing where, yes, we're

1358
01:05:04,830 --> 01:05:07,710
getting little things, but I. I just.

1359
01:05:07,710 --> 01:05:10,550
I. I still feel like we're standing in.

1360
01:05:10,790 --> 01:05:13,510
In place with a lot of the stuff. It

1361
01:05:13,510 --> 01:05:16,270
feels like things are happening to these

1362
01:05:16,270 --> 01:05:19,070
characters. The characters aren't

1363
01:05:19,070 --> 01:05:20,070
making things happen.

1364
01:05:20,550 --> 01:05:20,990
>> Will: Yes.

1365
01:05:20,990 --> 01:05:21,990
>> Sarah : Maybe that's the way.

1366
01:05:23,030 --> 01:05:25,990
>> Will: That's a good way. Yeah, I think that you. I

1367
01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:27,590
think that's. That's a good way to put it.

1368
01:05:28,550 --> 01:05:29,030
>> Sarah : Yeah.

1369
01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:30,310
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

1370
01:05:30,710 --> 01:05:33,350
>> Sarah : So. So which. And that just

1371
01:05:33,590 --> 01:05:36,230
leads to momentum and pacing issues.

1372
01:05:36,550 --> 01:05:39,460
But, But like you said, it's not that it's

1373
01:05:39,460 --> 01:05:41,780
bad. It's just that

1374
01:05:43,220 --> 01:05:45,860
this is what happens when you do seasons too.

1375
01:05:46,100 --> 01:05:49,099
You're gonna get. Compared to the first season. I'm,

1376
01:05:49,049 --> 01:05:51,260
Sorry. And it's also.

1377
01:05:51,900 --> 01:05:54,780
You're. You're. You're also more accustomed to.

1378
01:05:55,180 --> 01:05:57,980
I mean, considering he released a movie that he

1379
01:05:57,980 --> 01:06:00,980
also wrote earlier this year. Like, we're very

1380
01:06:00,980 --> 01:06:03,900
accustomed to James Gunn's writing. So.

1381
01:06:04,220 --> 01:06:06,060
Yeah, you start to get experience.

1382
01:06:08,140 --> 01:06:10,980
You. You become a little desensitized to

1383
01:06:10,980 --> 01:06:13,550
things. so you start to see the

1384
01:06:13,550 --> 01:06:14,350
cracks. But.

1385
01:06:14,510 --> 01:06:17,270
>> Will: Yeah, Yeah, the

1386
01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:20,270
cracks, the patterns, the. Yeah. And. Ah. Yeah, because

1387
01:06:20,270 --> 01:06:23,270
I think to your point, like you said, we have the pattern now as

1388
01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:26,230
far as how these. The tempo of these episodes. And. And so

1389
01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:29,100
he needs to mix it up. and I know he comes back and direct.

1390
01:06:29,900 --> 01:06:32,900
Yeah. It's not even the direction. It's clearly the writing, because I think the

1391
01:06:32,900 --> 01:06:35,660
direction of these episodes has been. Has been great.

1392
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:39,170
it's just, you know, I mean, but,

1393
01:06:39,170 --> 01:06:42,050
you know, but James stepped away and some other people have been directing,

1394
01:06:42,050 --> 01:06:44,770
but I think he does come back and directs episodes. I want to say

1395
01:06:44,770 --> 01:06:45,520
seven, eight.

1396
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,320
>> Sarah : So that's good. That's good.

1397
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:51,080
And. But. But you're right, it hasn't really been.

1398
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,880
I haven't criticized the. The directing

1399
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,970
of any of these episodes. I've just been

1400
01:06:57,290 --> 01:06:59,850
annoyed with character choices and plot,

1401
01:07:00,729 --> 01:07:02,970
you know, the little things.

1402
01:07:03,690 --> 01:07:04,730
The little things.

1403
01:07:04,890 --> 01:07:06,090
>> Will: The little things. Yeah.

1404
01:07:06,490 --> 01:07:08,730
>> Sarah : Very minor. Very minor.

1405
01:07:09,450 --> 01:07:12,340
All right. Well, on that note, Will, why don't you tell our

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01:07:12,340 --> 01:07:13,900
listeners where they can find you?

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01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,600
>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at. Ah, Will and

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01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,370
Polk. W I L L M M P O L K.

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01:07:20,850 --> 01:07:21,410
And you can.

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01:07:21,410 --> 01:07:24,330
>> Sarah : Find me there too at SJ Belmont. S J B E

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