Paradise S2 Ep 8: Worlds Collide and One Piece Season 2's Emotional Send-Off

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>> Sarah : Foreign. Nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your

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host, Sarah Belmont and with me, as always, is our

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Mr. Producer, Will Polk How are you doing tonight,

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Will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. Looking forward to talking

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the season finale of Paradise Season 2. And we're

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also wrapping up One Piece Season 2 tonight as

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well.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Happy last day of March.

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>> Will: Yeah, I know, I know. you got any, you have any

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April Fool's pranks lined up? You don't have to

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share them here because obviously you don't want

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to like, you know, spoil them for anyone. But, Got

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anything in mind?

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>> Sarah : No.

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>> Will: No. No, actually, me neither. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I do, but I don't.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I'll probably come up with something,

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you know.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. We will be off next week, so, apologies, we

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got some stuff going on and so we are gonna be out

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next week, but the following week we're gonna be

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back with a big boys binge because the boys is

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starting. And we're gonna, we're gonna talk about

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it, we're gonna get caught up and then we're gonna

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talk about it and then the following week we're

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gonna get caught up on Daredevil Born Again, kinda

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kind of get caught up. We're gonna still be

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behind, but, so, so that is in our future. but

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first we have to wrap Up Paradise Season 2 Episode

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8 Exodus Worlds collide. Time is the essence of

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for Xavier Link and his team spring into action.

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Sinatra puts it all on the line. Oh my God. IMDb.

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Step up your game with these episode summaries.

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will, go ahead and talk about everything you liked

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about this episode.

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>> Will: Well, you know, everything I liked about this

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episode. You know, I. So I think thinking about

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this season and all the time travels theory

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spirals and everything else I have, I have to say,

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you know, we, we talk and we talked about it too.

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We, you know, we, we dabbled in what Alex is or

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what it's not. Is it a person? Is it a thing? and

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you know, as it tied to all the quantum mechanics

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and, and, and for me, I just went into this finale

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just thinking, well, this. Will they stick the

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landing and, and, and have a satisfying into this,

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into this chapter. And I have to say, one, yes,

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they did. At least for me. Two, I'm going to go

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ahead and put it out there because I know you

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can't wait for, for me to say it. I was wrong

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about Sinatra. I, I owe Sinatra an apology. and I

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think this episode, I think what made it work so

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well for Me at least was it really. And this whole

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season is as well. But I think this was the, the.

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The bow. Proverbial bow on understanding the

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choices that she made and, and why she did it. And

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I, and I. And I. And also as I was watching the

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episode and, and thinking about our discussions

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about it over the course of the season and Act 2,

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and especially when we got the, you know, reveal

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there at the beginning, when, when, when Sam was

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talking and Dr. Chase were talking about Alex and

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you know, get. Get the note that, you know, she's

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not going to make it out of this thing. it. I, you

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know, again, you know, it really helped for me

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contextualize everything and, and why she was

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doing it. And so all the others, all the other

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noise that we've had about what Alex is and time

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travel as parallel universes and all that kind of

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stuff. Yeah, it was there. But for me, that was

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almost at this point, kind of, kind of second, not

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secondary. But it, you know, I wasn't let down

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because, you know, that mystery box wasn't fully

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answered.

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>> Sarah : Oh, okay. Because it, like a lot of this was set

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up for season three.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, a lot of it was. Now that we have these

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people magically all in the same place and we've

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started the meltdown of the bunker. Now we have to

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get them safely out of the bunker, except for one.

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And then we have to, remind everybody that there

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is a second paradise. A second bunker. And that is

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the whole setup for the third season.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So, let's talk about Samantha. Let's talk about

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her first. Yeah, because you've already. You've

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already brought her up and yes, I did want to hear

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a yes. Sarah, you were right about Samantha this

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entire time. Yep. I didn't want to bury his hatred

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for this person. I don't know. so. And maybe

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that's also why in a weird way, the fact that Will

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did not understand Stan Sinatra, this, this

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payoff, if you will, for lack of a better word,

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with her character, worked while me, I was like,

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okay, I, I had. I wanted to fast forward through

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so much of her walking around paradise by herself,

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which also. God, I'm so. Remember. I'm so glad I

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remember this because I knew that town looked

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familiar. Familiar. That. That has got to be where

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they shot Gilmore Girls. That is the same set

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design. That is. Yes. So I am. I am pretty sure

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that is. Hm. I'm pretty sure it's Gilmore Girls

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because I, I watched all of Gilmore Girls and did

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they.

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>> Will: Because yeah. Because I mean, that's one of the

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things just to take going to the production for

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just a sec. The show is, is. It is one of the few

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shows now that is actually shot in Southern

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California.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. Like, it looks like it's on a lot. And

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I think we pointed that out from the very

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beginning. I just didn't. I didn't put one and two

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together of. Because it was like. Because I. I

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think I said. When we're discussing the pilot, I

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was like, yeah, the town looked weird. It looked

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weird. And then you put together the pieces of

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where they are and you're like, oh, that's why it

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looks fake. Like there's something. There's

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something about it that looks unnatural. so. So I

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just. Somebody else pointed it out, online, so.

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But to go back to Sinatra. Yeah. I. And I've also

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listened to a few reviews and, So I'm not going to

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take credit for this, but it does help me

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articulate what bothered me. because in a way, she

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took the fact that she was going to die real well.

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And, And I understand why she was fine with that

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because of Dylan. But it also didn't work for me

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because of Dylan, if that makes sense.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : The. Because there's so much like, put Alex aside.

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I don't really care about that. That's a machine.

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We're talking about a human being who is a

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character who was very prominent throughout these

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last few seasons and because it was a kid who was

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dead. Died. and that loss and that grief made.

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Spurred Samantha to become the Sinatra who we meet

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in season one in present day.

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>> Will: Yes. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Then we're introduced to Dylan, AKA Link. I. I

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prefer calm Link. Personally, I think that's much

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cooler. And he, There's so much still about him

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that I'm. I'm unclear about that. Some of the

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moments, like that moment when she in her own way

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says goodbye.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Grabs his face. I thought was one of the most

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awkward scenes I have seen in a while. Because he

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doesn't understand. She does not. He does not

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equate her to his mom.

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>> Will: Right.

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>> Sarah : So. So this is a complete stranger who you had a

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verbal spire sparring match with just 24 hours

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ago, is suddenly looking at you and saying these

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weird, affectionate things to you. And. And I also

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think he acted strange because I would have been

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like, okay, can I shoot her now? Like, this lady's

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freaking me out. But then again, he. He was also.

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Just got the news about being a father and

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everything. So, like there was A lot of character

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stuff in this finale that I felt in a way I felt

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as though in a nutshell, for me there was a lot

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more emphasis on style over substance.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : for me it just like a lot of the character beats

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did not work. Like the m. Overall character arcs

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fell flat.

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>> Will: Yeah. So I got. Yeah, that's fair. I mean, I hear.

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I mean, I don't know. I just. I think I do

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disagree with you on that. I think the subs. I

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think this. The character beats actually do work.

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I mean and because I mean to your point about for

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example, the. The interaction between Samantha

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and. And And Link, There are a couple things

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there. One, I mean EMIs. Yes. She thinks that's

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that whatever the manipulation that the AI

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Computer done worked and they brought d. Her Dylan

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back. but. But even at that she even she does have

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a moment and I think this is what. Is where I was

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like okay to pick up on my earlier point about why

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this worked for. For me as far as Samantha, she

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still does have some self awareness to. Of. Of

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like maybe this is still my grief talking or this

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is my wish, you know, wishful thinking of that.

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That this is my Dylan. It's just you know, from.

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From And so. And then of course, on his side, I

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think you're. You're spot on. I mean he's. He's

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probably like. Yeah, you're. You know, this, this.

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This lady's is crazy and and. And. And doesn't

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have that, you know, that. That feeling. And you

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know, and I think that's. I think that's honestly

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an intentional thing that they. That the. The show

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sets up to. To not definitively answer the

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question of whether or not this is, you know, this

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is somehow her Dylan, you know, he survived. or.

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Or this is even. Even her son. you know, it could

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just be. It could just be something that was, you

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know, again, since the AI Since Alex was you know,

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trying to create, you know, trying to manipulate

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things and you know, we. We have seen the evidence

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of that with you know, sending the messages back

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and, and. And. And some. Some of the things that

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Dr. Chase was telling Samantha this, you know, it

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could have just been a very, very big coincidence

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that. Or put things in motion to put V. Dylan in

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the place or to put the m. Birth date in place

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because it is trying to predict. Be predictive and

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trying to prevent the catastrophe. That's the act

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too.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, there. There's course correction going

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on. I mean that's, that's the whole thing that I

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took away from Alex is that it has been course

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correcting. And so every time you see a nosebleed

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happen, there's been some sort of course

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correction that allows certain events and people

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to meet, in certain instances. and for people to

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choose not to kill a person versus kill a person.

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Because. Yeah, and I do. I. I recognize that

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there's that throwaway line about her saying, but

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she says that before. And so I was like, okay,

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okay, that makes sense. And then they have that

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weird moment and I'm like, okay, I don't know.

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But. But I also, I mean, yeah, I. Like I said, I.

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I'm gonna still stand on my thoughts. And

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>> Will: Yeah, well, yeah, I'm not trying to convince you

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otherwise.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, so. So. But in the course correction and the

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coincidences and the anomalies, also kind of make

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it somewhat of a subtle message that this isn't.

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This isn't necessarily her son. There's some

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coincidences at play because I don't get the

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impression that, the Alex has the ability to

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literally bring someone back. Like, like so. And,

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and we also learned in this episode, Alex

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prototype was invented by Dylan.

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>> Sarah : So. So there's a. There's. He's becoming. It's

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interesting because he's become, in my opinion, a

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more prominent character than Xavier because he

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has more mystery around him in the sense of who

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was he? Where did he come from? and his connection

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with Alex itself. And then you have the Annie of

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it all that kicked off the start of this season.

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So. And now he has a baby. And, and Xavier, he.

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He. Yeah, he's User X, which. Come on. What was

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that? but he. And he's. He's basically been

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predicted to be the one to save everyone and

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everything. And, And in from what I understand,

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that whole floppy disk will activate Alex, which.

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>> Will: Correct.

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>> Sarah : I, I try not to spend too much time on it because

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I'm like, well, it's already been predicting

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stuff. So. So are we. Are we talking about like a

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stage 2 activation? What are we doing here? yeah,

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so, so. But my point being is that Xavier has

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turned into almost like your typical action star,

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where this whole season it's been about him

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getting to his wife and then in the last two

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episodes, them getting to their children, which

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at, first I was like, okay, so we're gonna, we're

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gonna have then the parents reunited and that, but

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separated due to this whole exodus issue from

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their children. And that'll be a theme, line in

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season three. But no, they didn't do that.

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Everyone's reunited at the end, so. But now he's

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given kind of the key to Alex and, and he and

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Dylan and some other people will want to go and

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see this through, whatever this is. So it's. Yeah,

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yeah, you can go ahead and chime in. Yeah, I

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guess.

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>> Will: No, no, no. Yeah, it's cool. No, I mean, as far

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as, Yeah, I mean, you know, he is the, the user.

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And, and I, you know, I think back and I actually

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listened to our conversation because I, whenever I

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was watching the episode, last night or actually

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Sunday morning, I, I just, I, I just, I ended up

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staying up and, and watching it when it dropped at

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midnight. but, I, I thought about our conversation

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about act two. and, and to get, to get back to all

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the theory spiraling and all that kind of stuff,

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just really, just briefly and what, what this,

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what this all means. and you know, and really I, I

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just thought I, you know, I liked your theory that

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you had weeks ago that, you know, that this wasn't

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a machine that was going to be looking backwards,

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but it was looking forward. And, and, and, and I

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bring that up because, I mean, I think that's what

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this, what, that's what a lot of, of season three

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is going to be about is, you know, know now that

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the Bunker and Bunker 1, Paradise Bunker was just

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destroyed. and you know, and now we gotta prevent

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act two from happening. you know, I don't know if,

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I don't know if I would say Xavier is taking a

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back seat to Link, but they are definitely,

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they're definitely, they're definitely gonna be

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the, the two key characters obviously moving

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forward. and their partnership in, in, in season

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three is obviously, you know, it's going to be,

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you know, a major, a major part of what's going to

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happen. And then of course, even in this episode,

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you know, we, you know, we all. Throughout the

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season we've had that teasing moment of, you know,

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them walking down a corridor and we had a touch of

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it, but I still think there was still some subtle

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things or they're not subtle and not so subtle

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things that, that happened there that. What, that

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still, that that particular event still hasn't

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happened yet.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, exactly.

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>> Will: Yeah. And, and I think if I recall the, and I have

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only able to watch the episode once and get a

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chance to re watch it. But I want to say their

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nosebleeds coincided when it had that when they

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were all standing there after, you know, they had

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Rescued the, the Daughters from there.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, when they Rex to the Daughters and then he

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brings up Annie and everything like. Yeah, I, I do

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think the nosebleeds are, are very much a

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indication that Alex is course correcting. And

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there, there, there's a reason why Alex had to get

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Xavier to, to crash land near Memphis. So Annie,

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because Annie's pregnant. And there's a reason why

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Link got a nosebleed too when he encountered

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Annie. So it's, it's a very, very much that I

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understand and can appreciate it. And I agree

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like, yes, this is very much. There's a reason why

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they kicked it off explaining Act 2. There's a

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reason why in this, in this finale they started

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off with a flashback and us learning about the

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creation of Alex and they talk about, they start

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with Henry explaining quantum error correction.

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Like it's a course correction. but, but it's

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dangerous. and it's they, they went from in season

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one with the ice melting, global warming issue

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straight into AI in season two.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I did know that. I did notice that. I

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was like, yeah, yeah, because

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>> Sarah : we, yeah, just, just swap them out. Who, who

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knows? What if. I mean we do know third season and

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this show has kind of been designed for a three

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act play but you never know as Sterling K. Brown

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has said, if there will be a fourth. You know, you

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don't, you don't know. you don't know.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was wondering if you saw it.

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Yeah, so I did post his there's a note. Yes, his

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Instagram reel from yesterday. But yeah, I mean,

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you know, to your point though, getting back to

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like the calamities, because we did, you know,

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you're right. It was, we had, we had, we had.

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>> Sarah : Oh, I know what I wanted to say. Yeah, sorry, I,

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I, I had a thought and I wanted to bring this up

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because the, the one thing that kept going on in

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my mind throughout this episode, considering how

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it starts and considering all of the theories that

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have been out there for weeks and, and all of the

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expectations and all of that and, and it's kind of

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leads off of the conversation we ended with last

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week about Xavier and his, his role in all of

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this. I understand he's User X whatever. But what

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I would find so much more interesting in season

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three is if, is if the whole Link anomaly Dylan

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thing is as is a complete red herring and it's

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Xavier who's an anomaly. And I say this because

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you think back at season one there was. There were

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some conversations, especially with Dr. Thurabi

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and Samantha early on about the selection of who

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gets into the bunker. And for some reason, it. It

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came off as Xavier wasn't necessarily selected.

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Like, Cal, like, was like, no, no, no, he's

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coming. I don't care what you say. Like, they.

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They. There was. There was a vagueness about it

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where he was the. Something that they did not

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account for. so. So that kind of. Considering all

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the discussion about anomalies and coincidences, I

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revisited that conversation and theme that we

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discussed in the first season throughout this

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episode, because I think that would be very

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fascinating.

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>> Will: That, is. I love that. I love that theory, and I

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think even more so we think we also couple it with

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the conversation that Samantha and Xavier had too,

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where she. Like, I think you may have been the

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only decent person down here.

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>> Sarah : Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There. I. And. And I

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know I'm harsh at times, like, style over

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substance, but I do. I do, think that they do the.

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A. Fogelman will. Will sow seeds, because I think

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he does, at the end of the day, want to take

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things into an unexpected direction. so. And. And

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I know he's capable of that. I just felt like,

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overall there was something very mechanical m.

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About this finale. and you know me. I. I hate the.

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At the last second, person like, oh, my God. Why?

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Why? It's such a crutch. We don't need it. It's

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such a crutch. so. So it's just like, stuff like

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that is where I. I come off with that style over

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substance critique.

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>> Will: Yeah, I hear you. I hear you. I mean, there were

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some, you know, there were some stylistic things.

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you know, the, you know, the one obvious one is

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the. The. The book, you know, the book ends of the

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series started with. With Xavier running through

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paradise, and then the, you know, this season ends

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with him running out of paradise in the same. You

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know, I mean, you know, I like that.

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>> Sarah : I don't find that to be a book ending. I really

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don't. M. Because we're talking about. To me.

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season one, he was running out of paradise,

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because that is what is like one chapter. But we

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started this season with Annie.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And. And so the fact that. So to me, and maybe

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that's also the other thing. Like, in looking back

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at this season, I think the strongest episodes

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didn't occur in the bunker.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : The strongest episodes was when we were spending

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time with Annie or Terry or the mailman. Like.

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Like. And we were seeing the. We were getting told

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different stories that. That and m. Being shown

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different perspectives of this world that has now

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been created and how people have survived outside

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side of the bunker and the world that has existed

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for the past three years and being told those

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stories where the. The bunker in itself has been

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so much of a MacGuffin, and I'm afraid Alex is

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turning into a MacGuffin. That it's.

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>> Will: Oh, totally.

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>> Sarah : That it's like. Okay, so. Yeah, now we put. Yeah.

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So. But I. I just. I just don't find that to be, a

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book ending because of where the. Are.

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>> Will: Well, maybe book is not the M. Maybe book is not

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the right word, but it is. It is a. Maybe it is.

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It was a stylistic choice. Maybe. Maybe.

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>> Sarah : Maybe that's why they love K. Brown running.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. He's the best runner in Hollywood, I

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think. Yeah. I think he, you know, Tom Cruise,

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hand over your middle. because,

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>> Sarah : well, he did tear his acl, so I. I don't think

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he's been running for the last last few months.

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>> Will: But. Yeah, I mean. But I. Like, You are right,

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though. I think the Alex of it all has become the.

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The guffin. And I think to. And. And I think

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that's why I. Whenever I. I didn't lock into that

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when I was watching the episode. I mean, you know,

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all the quantum entanglements and all that kind of

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stuff, I was like, okay, yeah, that makes sense.

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But to me, I, To me was what The. The one just

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having to, you know, eat crow and. And tell you,

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you know, Sarah, you were right. I was way too

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hard on Samantha for the last two seasons. but,

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you know, that, you know, the. The. The. You know,

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one place I did where. Where I do have a critique

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where I felt that for me was when. When the. When

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Terry, reunited with her kids, I felt it was way

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too rushed, but I understand why it was. It. I

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understand why it was rushed because obviously

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they had to get the hell out of the bunker. But I

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just. I just felt that for that moment, I was

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really expecting more.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Thank you for bringing that up, because that

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was another thing where there was something so off

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about the reunions and where. Where I felt like,

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in a way, we got more of Thurabi, awkwardly

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reuniting with the savior and his wife than we

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got, like, the kids. Because Presley was like,

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hey, mom, oh, look, the boyfriend I've been

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hunting down for the last week or two, so let me

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go make out with him. See you later. It was a very

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weird. And. And I think, I think I blame the

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balancing of it all. Not on like, we got to get

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them out of the bunker, but more. There was such

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an emphasis on watching Samantha walk around

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paradise and the slow move shots of that. All

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that. That to me it felt unbalanced with

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everything going on with Xavier, Terry and the

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kids and, and it pulled focus, which. Which I've

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had an issue with for a lot of this season because

480
00:29:58,611 --> 00:30:03,641
of like, it's been. It's been very, unbalanced and

481
00:30:03,811 --> 00:30:09,231
Which. Which in a way then leads to this big

482
00:30:09,231 --> 00:30:12,611
reunion kind of being pushed to the side because

483
00:30:13,251 --> 00:30:16,491
you got all of this. You wanna, you wanna send out

484
00:30:16,491 --> 00:30:20,741
your big villain in, in this way, in this

485
00:30:20,981 --> 00:30:26,801
redemptive way. But yeah, so it's.

486
00:30:26,801 --> 00:30:29,441
>> Will: Yeah. So shame on me because I think, you know, so

487
00:30:29,441 --> 00:30:31,201
everybody was like getting all like jazzed up

488
00:30:31,201 --> 00:30:33,961
about the, the time travel stuff. I was just like,

489
00:30:33,961 --> 00:30:36,081
you know, I mentioned it before. You know, I'm

490
00:30:36,081 --> 00:30:38,471
like waiting for the, you know what. Waiting for

491
00:30:38,471 --> 00:30:42,271
that. That reunion. So I, So for me that was where

492
00:30:42,271 --> 00:30:45,831
I had my, My expectations. Didn't meet the. What

493
00:30:45,831 --> 00:30:48,311
was presented on screen. So I will freely admit

494
00:30:48,311 --> 00:30:51,101
that. But, But you know, as far as the, you know,

495
00:30:51,101 --> 00:30:53,421
I guess. I guess the Samantha with all the

496
00:30:53,501 --> 00:30:55,661
symbolism and everything crashing down, I mean

497
00:30:55,661 --> 00:30:58,901
that. Yeah, could have, could have. They have

498
00:30:58,901 --> 00:31:01,501
tightened it up a bit maybe, but I, I didn't, I

499
00:31:01,501 --> 00:31:04,141
didn't think it was like over, over, over long

500
00:31:04,141 --> 00:31:08,981
and, And I did like how they did have her, you

501
00:31:08,981 --> 00:31:12,501
know, meet. We get reunited with. With. With. With

502
00:31:12,501 --> 00:31:15,291
little Dylan, there at the end. I mean, that was,

503
00:31:15,451 --> 00:31:22,341
that, that, was a. Yeah. At, at the, at the, At

504
00:31:22,341 --> 00:31:25,371
the, The chart. The horse. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

505
00:31:25,531 --> 00:31:25,891
yeah.

506
00:31:25,891 --> 00:31:30,511
>> Sarah : The, the infamous, infamous horse. I, I don't

507
00:31:30,511 --> 00:31:34,191
think. Again, I, I do think your whole stance on

508
00:31:34,191 --> 00:31:40,291
that character, ultimately worked in your favor

509
00:31:40,451 --> 00:31:44,211
where if I had viewed her the way that you did, I

510
00:31:44,211 --> 00:31:47,571
probably would have also really enjoyed majority

511
00:31:47,571 --> 00:31:53,471
of this finale. but. But because of my different

512
00:31:53,471 --> 00:31:56,631
opinion through the whole time, I was like, yeah,

513
00:31:56,631 --> 00:31:58,991
this makes, this makes sense. And that's, that's

514
00:31:58,991 --> 00:32:01,851
pro. Why I was like, let's wrap it up. Let's get

515
00:32:02,251 --> 00:32:07,051
going on to the next. And. Yeah, and it just. I, I

516
00:32:07,051 --> 00:32:10,091
don't know. There was, There was, it was. Whether

517
00:32:10,091 --> 00:32:13,811
it's a pacing thing or other things that I've

518
00:32:13,811 --> 00:32:18,291
brought up earlier tonight. Yeah, there's. There's

519
00:32:18,291 --> 00:32:23,621
just something about it where, I, I didn't I

520
00:32:23,621 --> 00:32:27,881
didn't get a lot of. That's an interesting

521
00:32:27,881 --> 00:32:31,521
direction or that's a revelation that I was not

522
00:32:31,521 --> 00:32:37,021
expecting. and. And I just didn't like some of the

523
00:32:37,021 --> 00:32:39,781
techniques of storytelling that they used to

524
00:32:39,781 --> 00:32:44,141
execute this finale. But if we're looking at this

525
00:32:44,141 --> 00:32:47,621
series as a whole, season two is really hard

526
00:32:48,341 --> 00:32:53,671
because season one, it's fresh, it's new. You,

527
00:32:53,671 --> 00:32:56,631
You. You're building a world. Season two, you're

528
00:32:56,631 --> 00:32:59,671
going further. But you also know you have a third

529
00:32:59,671 --> 00:33:04,311
act play. So this is very much a bridge season.

530
00:33:05,301 --> 00:33:10,381
and so I do think that it serves its purpose to be

531
00:33:10,381 --> 00:33:17,551
that bridge. and. And I, mean, they also. They

532
00:33:17,551 --> 00:33:21,011
also did the thing where it's like the Robbie

533
00:33:21,011 --> 00:33:23,931
kills Jane. Oh, wait. Well, let's go back to the

534
00:33:23,931 --> 00:33:24,411
shower.

535
00:33:25,131 --> 00:33:25,611
>> Will: Yep.

536
00:33:26,331 --> 00:33:30,011
>> Sarah : The crime scene where everything happens is in Dr.

537
00:33:30,011 --> 00:33:32,851
I'm surprised Samantha didn't die in therabies

538
00:33:32,851 --> 00:33:34,731
shower. Come on. That's where everything.

539
00:33:36,251 --> 00:33:36,971
>> Will: But everything.

540
00:33:37,211 --> 00:33:40,852
>> Sarah : Jane isn't there. And so that, I just. I'm. I'm

541
00:33:40,852 --> 00:33:44,372
also bringing this up. Maybe this is salt in a

542
00:33:44,372 --> 00:33:48,712
wound, but somebody predicted in the Jane episode

543
00:33:49,032 --> 00:33:52,232
that the baby was Samantha. Do you still stand by

544
00:33:52,232 --> 00:33:57,072
that, or are you now, like, the baby is definitely

545
00:33:57,072 --> 00:33:57,592
Jane?

546
00:33:58,312 --> 00:34:02,072
>> Will: The. The baby's Annie.

547
00:34:02,952 --> 00:34:07,142
>> Sarah : The, the baby's Annie in. In the Jane episode.

548
00:34:08,582 --> 00:34:11,492
>> Will: Oh, oh, the, that was when Samantha was talking to

549
00:34:12,832 --> 00:34:16,672
so. Or at the very beginning of the episode.

550
00:34:17,072 --> 00:34:18,112
>> Sarah : Yes, yes.

551
00:34:18,272 --> 00:34:19,192
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

552
00:34:19,192 --> 00:34:22,832
>> Sarah : In the. In the episode called Jade, there is a

553
00:34:22,832 --> 00:34:25,552
flashback that opens up the episode where there's

554
00:34:25,552 --> 00:34:27,592
a clear communication from Alex.

555
00:34:27,592 --> 00:34:28,031
>> Will: Yeah.

556
00:34:28,031 --> 00:34:30,672
>> Sarah : Saying, right, this baby will be born on this

557
00:34:30,672 --> 00:34:33,632
date. She is a killer. She must be stopped, and

558
00:34:33,632 --> 00:34:37,912
you must tell her, blah, blah, blah. So. And you

559
00:34:37,912 --> 00:34:40,272
took a very strong stance.

560
00:34:41,212 --> 00:34:42,252
>> Will: I did, I did.

561
00:34:44,252 --> 00:34:46,362
>> Sarah : I feel like, somebody should earn a million

562
00:34:46,362 --> 00:34:49,482
dollars based on the bet that he placed.

563
00:34:50,122 --> 00:34:56,642
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. You know, yeah. I, I'll. I'll. I'm

564
00:34:56,642 --> 00:34:58,042
gonna stand by it. You know,

565
00:35:00,362 --> 00:35:04,162
>> Sarah : I. So I, I bring it up not just to put salt in the

566
00:35:04,162 --> 00:35:10,512
wound or anything, but because that is a

567
00:35:10,512 --> 00:35:14,872
demonstration in hindsight of the reach of how far

568
00:35:14,872 --> 00:35:17,272
back Alex could course. Correct.

569
00:35:17,912 --> 00:35:18,472
>> Will: Yeah.

570
00:35:19,362 --> 00:35:22,882
>> Sarah : and then the question leads to why. And as we

571
00:35:23,282 --> 00:35:27,082
pointed out in this season, well, at the. In this

572
00:35:27,082 --> 00:35:30,242
finale, in this episode, your big bad has been

573
00:35:30,242 --> 00:35:34,172
removed. You're not, not like the biggest threat,

574
00:35:34,172 --> 00:35:37,252
because obviously the world and Act 2 is the

575
00:35:37,252 --> 00:35:41,092
looming threat, but the, the personal threat. And

576
00:35:41,092 --> 00:35:45,012
so the only other person who can step into that

577
00:35:45,012 --> 00:35:48,692
place is Jane. And they've built her up over the

578
00:35:48,692 --> 00:35:51,052
last two seasons. To be that. So.

579
00:35:51,292 --> 00:35:52,332
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

580
00:35:52,812 --> 00:35:57,502
>> Sarah : So then the question is, that I've heard a lot of

581
00:35:57,502 --> 00:36:02,982
people say, okay, so it's a course correction

582
00:36:02,982 --> 00:36:08,462
because in the future she kills Xavier or she

583
00:36:08,462 --> 00:36:14,702
kills Dylan or what? Who does she kill that Alex

584
00:36:14,702 --> 00:36:18,862
is trying to prevent? And also my big question is,

585
00:36:18,942 --> 00:36:21,862
why did it go all the way back to the day she was

586
00:36:21,862 --> 00:36:23,582
born to? Course, correct.

587
00:36:25,112 --> 00:36:28,592
>> Will: Yeah. Well, I mean. Yeah, well, you know, we, we.

588
00:36:28,592 --> 00:36:31,152
We have seen even before it's been fully activated

589
00:36:31,152 --> 00:36:33,352
because it has, you know, it. You know, it is

590
00:36:33,672 --> 00:36:35,192
gained for lack of a better.

591
00:36:35,192 --> 00:36:38,472
>> Sarah : Actually, m. I think we're thinking about this

592
00:36:38,472 --> 00:36:39,032
wrong, Will.

593
00:36:39,672 --> 00:36:40,152
>> Will: Yeah.

594
00:36:40,632 --> 00:36:41,272
>> Sarah : Okay.

595
00:36:41,832 --> 00:36:42,272
>> Will: Okay.

596
00:36:42,272 --> 00:36:44,712
>> Sarah : Okay. Alex course corrects. Right.

597
00:36:45,272 --> 00:36:45,672
>> Will: Right.

598
00:36:46,472 --> 00:36:52,922
>> Sarah : And. And we saw in that episode that it tries to

599
00:36:52,922 --> 00:36:56,722
deliver this message to prevent this child from

600
00:36:56,722 --> 00:36:58,002
becoming a killer.

601
00:36:58,722 --> 00:36:59,282
>> Will: Yeah.

602
00:37:01,122 --> 00:37:05,282
>> Sarah : Inadvertently m. Making the child become a killer.

603
00:37:05,761 --> 00:37:09,002
But the we're led to be believe that Alex is so

604
00:37:09,002 --> 00:37:12,082
smart, it could have predicted that. So I wonder

605
00:37:12,162 --> 00:37:19,512
if actually Alex, Alex purposely delivered that

606
00:37:19,512 --> 00:37:23,712
message, knowing that that would create Jane into

607
00:37:23,712 --> 00:37:27,152
a killer. Because she does kill somebody. She is

608
00:37:27,152 --> 00:37:31,862
needed to become, to take out somebody. And maybe

609
00:37:32,742 --> 00:37:35,942
that is the savior because it's a self defense

610
00:37:35,942 --> 00:37:39,782
mechanism because she needs to kill whoever's

611
00:37:39,782 --> 00:37:40,982
threatening Alex.

612
00:37:40,982 --> 00:37:44,322
>> Will: I think your. Your second theory, I think, is more

613
00:37:44,322 --> 00:37:44,842
on point.

614
00:37:45,082 --> 00:37:45,562
>> Sarah : Yeah.

615
00:37:46,202 --> 00:37:49,642
>> Will: Yeah. Because Alex, you know, because if Alex is.

616
00:37:49,882 --> 00:37:53,242
Yeah, yeah, I think it's. It's that second. It's

617
00:37:53,242 --> 00:37:55,162
either. It's either. I think it's either that

618
00:37:55,162 --> 00:38:02,922
theory or Alex is. Is there to, you know, to

619
00:38:02,922 --> 00:38:05,002
basically prevent act two. I mean, it's got to be

620
00:38:05,002 --> 00:38:05,722
one of the two things.

621
00:38:08,132 --> 00:38:11,232
>> Sarah : Yeah, well, yeah, I think Alex is there and what's

622
00:38:11,232 --> 00:38:15,752
on the floppy disk is there to prevent Act 2. But

623
00:38:16,792 --> 00:38:22,871
I think that Jane is either there to take out a

624
00:38:22,871 --> 00:38:30,982
threat against Alex, or. Or Alex really is trying

625
00:38:31,142 --> 00:38:37,362
to stop Jane from. From, killing either Xavier or

626
00:38:37,362 --> 00:38:40,322
Dylan because. Well, in this case it would be

627
00:38:40,322 --> 00:38:44,202
Xavier because Xavier has to be the one to

628
00:38:44,202 --> 00:38:45,802
initiate the end of action.

629
00:38:46,842 --> 00:38:49,762
>> Will: I think it's It. I think. Yes. So I think it's. I

630
00:38:49,762 --> 00:38:52,682
think it is what you just said. I think it is

631
00:38:52,682 --> 00:38:56,842
trying to prevent. And you know, try and prevent

632
00:38:56,842 --> 00:39:00,122
Annie from killing Xavier. So. In order to execute

633
00:39:00,122 --> 00:39:07,192
Act 2. Yeah. Jane from killing Xavier in order to

634
00:39:07,192 --> 00:39:10,562
allow Xavier to execute, the preventive.

635
00:39:10,562 --> 00:39:12,762
Preventative code or whatever. To keep act two

636
00:39:12,762 --> 00:39:13,402
from happening.

637
00:39:13,722 --> 00:39:14,162
>> Sarah : Yeah.

638
00:39:14,162 --> 00:39:16,602
>> Will: To give him. To give humanity a second chance.

639
00:39:17,882 --> 00:39:21,322
>> Sarah : If. If that's what the code is on the floppy disk.

640
00:39:21,322 --> 00:39:24,242
I mean, that's what we think. Then again, we don't

641
00:39:24,242 --> 00:39:29,002
Know, because there's also the idea that the only

642
00:39:29,002 --> 00:39:32,522
course correction is to undo what's already been

643
00:39:32,522 --> 00:39:32,842
done.

644
00:39:33,962 --> 00:39:36,522
>> Will: I don't, I don't, I don't think I, I think it goes

645
00:39:36,522 --> 00:39:37,962
back and that's where I was going earlier with

646
00:39:37,962 --> 00:39:40,282
your, with your, your, your what you, what you

647
00:39:40,542 --> 00:39:43,332
theorize when we, when we discussed things way

648
00:39:43,332 --> 00:39:47,412
earlier in the season. I think it, the, the, the

649
00:39:47,412 --> 00:39:51,852
idea here is to not go back and redo things. Yeah,

650
00:39:51,852 --> 00:39:55,052
but it is, but I think I, I've all. Ever since you

651
00:39:55,052 --> 00:39:56,612
have shared the theory that this.

652
00:39:58,752 --> 00:40:00,272
>> Will: I, I have held on to that.

653
00:40:00,752 --> 00:40:01,232
>> Sarah : Yeah.

654
00:40:01,312 --> 00:40:04,912
>> Will: And, and, and so I think it is to prevent act two,

655
00:40:05,472 --> 00:40:07,872
so think, you know, so things can move forward

656
00:40:08,192 --> 00:40:10,072
now. There are, there is all these course

657
00:40:10,072 --> 00:40:14,072
corrections that, that Alex is doing to make sure

658
00:40:14,072 --> 00:40:16,952
that, that Xavier does get placed there. And at

659
00:40:16,952 --> 00:40:19,022
the end of the day, you know, we'll, you know,

660
00:40:19,022 --> 00:40:21,582
maybe you know, and maybe that's the role of Link

661
00:40:21,582 --> 00:40:25,912
is to basically take out Jane once and for all. so

662
00:40:25,912 --> 00:40:30,072
Xavier can, you know, ex. Activate Alex to, to

663
00:40:30,072 --> 00:40:30,752
prevent Act Two.

664
00:40:32,272 --> 00:40:38,432
>> Sarah : Yeah, well, well, Link is Alex's father in a way.

665
00:40:38,592 --> 00:40:39,472
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

666
00:40:39,472 --> 00:40:44,082
>> Sarah : So they're, they're. I don't, I don't know if it's

667
00:40:44,032 --> 00:40:47,622
take out who, who knows? We'll, we'll see.

668
00:40:48,352 --> 00:40:48,992
>> Will: We'll see it.

669
00:40:48,992 --> 00:40:51,632
>> Sarah : Yeah, we'll see. Season three will be here.

670
00:40:51,632 --> 00:40:54,122
They're, they're. Yeah. we'll be at the starting

671
00:40:54,122 --> 00:40:58,242
to film. So, so they, they definitely know where

672
00:40:58,242 --> 00:41:01,602
they're going with the story and we will watch it.

673
00:41:02,242 --> 00:41:06,442
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. So you know, no coincidence there.

674
00:41:06,442 --> 00:41:08,162
That is the Denver Airport either.

675
00:41:08,402 --> 00:41:08,882
>> Sarah : Yeah.

676
00:41:09,072 --> 00:41:11,592
>> Will: for all. Because all the conspiracy theorists and

677
00:41:11,592 --> 00:41:14,472
stuff. So you know, you know, good on you Writers

678
00:41:14,472 --> 00:41:15,272
room. Good on you.

679
00:41:17,192 --> 00:41:25,612
>> Sarah : All right, well that brings us to One Piece. we

680
00:41:25,612 --> 00:41:28,372
are going to discuss the last two episodes of

681
00:41:28,372 --> 00:41:33,052
season two. We have Reindeer Shames and Deer and

682
00:41:33,052 --> 00:41:36,972
Loathing and Drum Kingdom Will, what did you think

683
00:41:36,972 --> 00:41:40,462
about the conclusion of One Piece Season two?

684
00:41:42,222 --> 00:41:46,542
>> Will: So a, A tear may have been shed for, in, In One

685
00:41:46,542 --> 00:41:51,252
Piece season Season two. especially episodes, you

686
00:41:51,252 --> 00:41:55,022
know, episode seven. you know, just getting,

687
00:41:55,102 --> 00:42:01,412
getting choppers, you know, backstory and, and,

688
00:42:01,492 --> 00:42:04,652
and all it was, you know, really, you know. Again,

689
00:42:04,812 --> 00:42:07,932
haven't read any of the, any of the, the, the

690
00:42:07,932 --> 00:42:12,902
manga or anything like that. But but I, I, I will

691
00:42:12,902 --> 00:42:16,092
say that you know, I really enjoyed learning more

692
00:42:16,092 --> 00:42:20,292
about Choppins origin story and how Luffy and, and

693
00:42:20,292 --> 00:42:22,972
you know how you know, and, and, and the rest of

694
00:42:22,972 --> 00:42:25,932
the crew was able to, you know, talked about it

695
00:42:26,252 --> 00:42:28,732
and then, you know, and then this, the satisfying

696
00:42:28,732 --> 00:42:32,172
conclusion of, you know, what we, what was all

697
00:42:32,172 --> 00:42:34,252
built up in episode seven, which I think was my

698
00:42:34,252 --> 00:42:36,772
favorite episode of, of, of the series so far.

699
00:42:37,652 --> 00:42:40,982
And, and then, you know, we do get the, we do get

700
00:42:40,982 --> 00:42:44,832
the, the, the, the beautiful, cherry blossoms

701
00:42:44,832 --> 00:42:48,112
there, you know, at the. As they're on the Mary.

702
00:42:48,192 --> 00:42:51,152
And, and yeah, I, Yeah, I, I will, I will freely

703
00:42:51,152 --> 00:42:52,832
admit. I, I, I definitely te.

704
00:42:57,382 --> 00:42:59,622
>> Sarah : so we're just talking about episode seven right

705
00:42:59,622 --> 00:43:06,112
now. I think this episode was fine. I didn't tear

706
00:43:06,112 --> 00:43:11,632
up. I, I kept being like, okay, and the story ends

707
00:43:11,632 --> 00:43:14,232
and we're back in front. No, we're not. We're

708
00:43:14,232 --> 00:43:17,272
still doing this. Okay. It's gonna continue. It's

709
00:43:17,272 --> 00:43:21,232
gonna be kinda. I, I really do like Chopper. I

710
00:43:21,232 --> 00:43:25,702
just for some reason was not, was not vibing with,

711
00:43:28,592 --> 00:43:32,942
luck. but it was necessary and it explained more

712
00:43:32,942 --> 00:43:35,822
about not just Chopper, but Drum Kingdom as a

713
00:43:35,822 --> 00:43:39,452
whole. we've seen a lot of outsiders perspectives

714
00:43:39,452 --> 00:43:44,142
with, with Vivi over Drum Kingdom. So now we're

715
00:43:44,142 --> 00:43:47,382
getting kind of. And then through conversations

716
00:43:47,382 --> 00:43:53,112
with Duncan, we've also learned, or yeah, Duncan,

717
00:43:53,112 --> 00:43:54,832
right. Said his name.

718
00:43:56,032 --> 00:43:58,352
>> Will: Who you thought about? Dalton.

719
00:43:58,672 --> 00:44:01,982
>> Sarah : Dalton. through conversations with Dalton, we also

720
00:44:02,062 --> 00:44:04,702
learn about the history of Drunk Drum Kingdom. But

721
00:44:05,262 --> 00:44:09,572
this reindeer Shames is really offers a look and

722
00:44:09,802 --> 00:44:15,302
at the, the, the wobble of it all. Wobble of it

723
00:44:15,302 --> 00:44:18,462
all. I'm horrible with names and these characters.

724
00:44:18,462 --> 00:44:23,392
I so apologize if I offend anybody. but Will just

725
00:44:23,392 --> 00:44:27,832
made me spend 45 minutes on paradise. So now

726
00:44:27,832 --> 00:44:30,792
we're, now we're trying to reign it in. Pun

727
00:44:30,792 --> 00:44:33,642
intended. and, and the thing about the cherry

728
00:44:33,642 --> 00:44:37,092
blossoms that I really wanted to, to have

729
00:44:37,092 --> 00:44:41,392
explained, but they did not. But I do suspect a

730
00:44:41,392 --> 00:44:46,012
connection is Miss All Day Sunday. there's a

731
00:44:46,012 --> 00:44:50,332
reason why her powers always start with cherry

732
00:44:50,332 --> 00:44:53,892
blossoms. And I don't think it's a coincidence

733
00:44:54,212 --> 00:44:58,932
that that pirate flag had the cherry blossoms and

734
00:44:59,092 --> 00:45:02,002
her ability. Like, there is definitely a

735
00:45:02,002 --> 00:45:04,442
connection. I don't know what it is and I don't

736
00:45:04,442 --> 00:45:08,152
want to know, even though I kind of do. but I was

737
00:45:08,152 --> 00:45:11,752
stuck on that the whole time. I'll be honest. I

738
00:45:11,752 --> 00:45:14,672
was, I was like, okay, so we're gonna hear more.

739
00:45:15,072 --> 00:45:18,752
but to me, both of these episodes, when combined,

740
00:45:20,272 --> 00:45:26,372
they, they are a very good chapter. And, but it

741
00:45:26,372 --> 00:45:30,892
was weird for me if I look at the entire season

742
00:45:32,572 --> 00:45:38,172
that they conclude it on this chapter where, where

743
00:45:38,172 --> 00:45:43,612
I'm just like, Hm. We've spent so much time with

744
00:45:44,012 --> 00:45:50,502
the, the the Baroques. I'm, I'm really doing bad

745
00:45:50,502 --> 00:45:56,382
right now, but is not helping me at all. We've,

746
00:45:56,382 --> 00:45:58,822
we've spent so much time with all of the Baroque

747
00:45:58,822 --> 00:46:02,222
works that these last two episodes they took a

748
00:46:02,222 --> 00:46:06,342
back seat to Drum Kingdom and I was just like, oh,

749
00:46:06,662 --> 00:46:10,022
so we're not gonna return to that. That will just

750
00:46:10,022 --> 00:46:13,462
be a storyline that continues in the next season

751
00:46:14,902 --> 00:46:21,712
and so will this whole Alabasta of it all. so was

752
00:46:21,712 --> 00:46:26,632
weird. It. Again, I don't know what it is. We just

753
00:46:26,632 --> 00:46:29,592
talked about one season two finale that felt

754
00:46:29,592 --> 00:46:34,472
awkward to me and, and again the, the decision to

755
00:46:34,472 --> 00:46:38,832
tell certain stories, it just didn't feel in my

756
00:46:38,832 --> 00:46:44,902
opinion like a conclusion of this season. It felt

757
00:46:44,902 --> 00:46:48,542
more like a chapter in this season, like a two

758
00:46:48,542 --> 00:46:52,422
episode arc. And then they were going to return

759
00:46:52,662 --> 00:46:57,342
and there was going to be something else. So it, I

760
00:46:57,342 --> 00:47:01,262
don't know as an overall, if I look at it from

761
00:47:01,262 --> 00:47:04,102
that perspective, I don't know if it was the best

762
00:47:04,102 --> 00:47:09,832
way to conclude this season. but, but the, the

763
00:47:09,832 --> 00:47:12,112
episodes themselves were fine. They were

764
00:47:12,112 --> 00:47:15,462
consistent with the stories that we've been told

765
00:47:15,462 --> 00:47:17,382
this season, if that makes sense.

766
00:47:19,142 --> 00:47:24,222
>> Will: Yeah, I mean I, I also. Broke Works. Broke Works

767
00:47:24,222 --> 00:47:28,352
was always to me always in the, in the present. so

768
00:47:28,352 --> 00:47:31,872
even though I know we spent time with these,

769
00:47:31,872 --> 00:47:38,062
these, these last episodes about Drum Kingdom, I

770
00:47:38,062 --> 00:47:41,502
mean I think the overall, you know, the, the

771
00:47:43,662 --> 00:47:47,942
spirit or the, the vibe of the. Of Broke Works was

772
00:47:47,942 --> 00:47:50,222
like over this because you know, Mr. Crocodile,

773
00:47:50,702 --> 00:47:53,302
Mr. Zero, which you learn is later. Mr. Crocodile

774
00:47:53,302 --> 00:47:58,752
was, you know, was the one who, who provided King

775
00:47:58,752 --> 00:48:01,352
Walpole with, with the, the you know, with the

776
00:48:01,352 --> 00:48:04,832
devil fruit and, and, and, and and you know, took

777
00:48:04,832 --> 00:48:12,032
a vantage, you know, because of the, you know, out

778
00:48:12,112 --> 00:48:15,472
with Alabaster, the civil, you know, the civil war

779
00:48:15,472 --> 00:48:19,022
between the, the, the The war between two kingdoms

780
00:48:19,022 --> 00:48:21,222
and stuff. I mean those are all to me were all

781
00:48:21,222 --> 00:48:25,352
influent, being influenced by, by, by the works.

782
00:48:25,432 --> 00:48:25,832
So.

783
00:48:26,232 --> 00:48:28,592
>> Sarah : Yeah, that's a fair point that they were pulling

784
00:48:28,592 --> 00:48:32,552
the strings for this this conflict that was

785
00:48:32,552 --> 00:48:33,072
occurring.

786
00:48:33,152 --> 00:48:33,632
>> Will: Yeah.

787
00:48:33,812 --> 00:48:37,342
>> Sarah : and it definitely, I mean if in terms of the

788
00:48:37,342 --> 00:48:40,942
season, it does seem to all have been about

789
00:48:41,742 --> 00:48:46,222
getting Vivi on board as a straw hat and then also

790
00:48:46,302 --> 00:48:49,882
now getting Chopper on board as a fellow. so, so

791
00:48:49,882 --> 00:48:54,872
like, I don't know if the crew is finished, but I

792
00:48:54,872 --> 00:49:01,752
do feel like, feel like okay, this can we be

793
00:49:01,752 --> 00:49:05,632
finished for season three and, and maybe tell some

794
00:49:05,632 --> 00:49:09,072
stories with our, with our crew? Members now, like

795
00:49:09,072 --> 00:49:13,432
the Usopp arc that we had, with like, the fifth

796
00:49:13,432 --> 00:49:18,972
and sixth episode, if. If that makes sense.

797
00:49:19,852 --> 00:49:23,492
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, again, and I think this

798
00:49:23,492 --> 00:49:26,012
is where, you know, obviously, for folks who are

799
00:49:26,012 --> 00:49:29,132
familiar with the source material will, you know,

800
00:49:29,132 --> 00:49:31,892
we'll could definitely educate us on what we're.

801
00:49:31,892 --> 00:49:34,092
What we're all missing here. But to me, I think,

802
00:49:34,092 --> 00:49:37,212
you know, I think you need it to. To your point,

803
00:49:37,292 --> 00:49:40,332
as you said, you're. You're bringing Chopper,

804
00:49:40,332 --> 00:49:42,982
you're bringing Viv together with the. With the

805
00:49:42,982 --> 00:49:45,692
whole. With the whole crew. you know, so that now

806
00:49:45,692 --> 00:49:49,532
as we move to the next set of adventures and. And,

807
00:49:50,382 --> 00:49:53,862
we. We. We. The one thing I did, like, is that

808
00:49:53,862 --> 00:49:57,182
they. They resolved what was, you know, going on

809
00:49:57,182 --> 00:50:00,862
here in Drum Kingdom by, you know, by having

810
00:50:02,142 --> 00:50:05,652
Dalton and the townspeople, you know, take out

811
00:50:06,622 --> 00:50:10,262
the. The army, take, you know, Luffy taking out

812
00:50:10,262 --> 00:50:12,382
King Walpole, which, you know, he's like, you

813
00:50:12,382 --> 00:50:13,982
know, the Devil fruit basically made him into,

814
00:50:13,982 --> 00:50:15,862
like, a Transformer, which is pretty dope when he

815
00:50:15,862 --> 00:50:17,702
saw all the, you know, with their fights and all

816
00:50:17,702 --> 00:50:20,552
that kind of stuff. you know, so all the. You

817
00:50:20,552 --> 00:50:23,032
know, so to me, it was good that they just kind of

818
00:50:23,032 --> 00:50:27,832
wrapped the Drum Kingdom chapter up so that. Okay,

819
00:50:27,832 --> 00:50:30,552
to your point, now when we go to subsequent

820
00:50:30,552 --> 00:50:34,352
seasons, we can focus on the next chapters in the

821
00:50:34,352 --> 00:50:34,592
story.

822
00:50:35,552 --> 00:50:38,432
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. Because now we got to go to Alabaster.

823
00:50:39,712 --> 00:50:40,672
>> Will: We gotta work our way.

824
00:50:40,912 --> 00:50:43,632
>> Sarah : Yeah, we gotta work on our way in Alabaster.

825
00:50:44,672 --> 00:50:45,232
>> Will: Yep.

826
00:50:45,552 --> 00:50:51,952
>> Sarah : We. We. To add Chopper and conclude Drum Kingdom,

827
00:50:52,432 --> 00:50:55,722
though, we also sacrifice the Marines. and I

828
00:50:55,722 --> 00:50:58,392
finally remembered his name for once. Colby.

829
00:50:59,272 --> 00:50:59,752
>> Will: Yeah.

830
00:51:00,152 --> 00:51:05,392
>> Sarah : Yeah. Next. No Colby this season, which was a kind

831
00:51:05,392 --> 00:51:07,992
of a shocker. And then I was like, okay, well,

832
00:51:07,992 --> 00:51:10,592
that's fine, because we're getting to Shaggy and

833
00:51:10,592 --> 00:51:13,712
Smoker. And then suddenly they took a back seat,

834
00:51:13,712 --> 00:51:19,042
and I'm like, okay, well, the Marines, that were

835
00:51:19,042 --> 00:51:23,042
very interesting, served in a very, like,

836
00:51:25,422 --> 00:51:29,422
mirroring way to the straw hats, while at the same

837
00:51:29,502 --> 00:51:37,182
time, like, they, like, think about a triangle. So

838
00:51:37,182 --> 00:51:39,822
you have straw hats, you have the Marines, and

839
00:51:39,822 --> 00:51:43,342
then you have whatever evil pirate villains there

840
00:51:43,342 --> 00:51:48,182
are at the other end. So. But I feel like in this

841
00:51:48,182 --> 00:51:52,462
season, we. We got very much the straw hats and

842
00:51:52,462 --> 00:51:56,402
the evil pirate villains and not so much of the

843
00:51:56,402 --> 00:52:00,832
Marines. And maybe they're saving that, because

844
00:52:00,992 --> 00:52:04,392
they are, like, playing a long game. I totally

845
00:52:04,392 --> 00:52:05,472
understand that.

846
00:52:05,712 --> 00:52:09,672
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. To that point, I'm glad, actually, in

847
00:52:09,672 --> 00:52:12,312
a way, I'm actually glad that they kind of let the

848
00:52:12,312 --> 00:52:15,032
Marines sort of take a back seat. Because there

849
00:52:15,032 --> 00:52:17,992
was a, There was a lot going on that they had to

850
00:52:17,992 --> 00:52:22,762
just cover here and especially these. These last

851
00:52:22,762 --> 00:52:25,642
two app. You know, really the last two episodes,

852
00:52:26,132 --> 00:52:29,342
you know, in particular, you know we, you know we,

853
00:52:29,342 --> 00:52:32,382
we have to. Because we are introducing to you

854
00:52:32,382 --> 00:52:36,302
know, mid season we got, you know, we got BB Story

855
00:52:37,582 --> 00:52:42,702
and, and we were introduced to her and, and how

856
00:52:42,782 --> 00:52:47,782
she you know, gets. Yeah, you know and we do learn

857
00:52:47,782 --> 00:52:54,342
that she was Princess, Princess Alabaster and, and

858
00:52:54,342 --> 00:52:56,942
all, you know, and, and and and her role in that

859
00:52:56,942 --> 00:52:58,902
as far as just trying to, you know, infiltrate

860
00:52:58,902 --> 00:53:02,102
broke works and learn what she needs to. To help

861
00:53:02,102 --> 00:53:04,822
protect the kingdom. And then, you know, in this

862
00:53:04,822 --> 00:53:08,102
episode. Yeah, you know, these last two, we really

863
00:53:08,102 --> 00:53:10,622
get Chopper's story. Of course we do. We get the,

864
00:53:10,622 --> 00:53:13,482
the quick introduction to Chopper at the end of

865
00:53:13,462 --> 00:53:16,582
episode six, whenever they're trying to you know,

866
00:53:16,582 --> 00:53:21,452
get Nami's You know, to, to. To the Doctor. So, so

867
00:53:21,452 --> 00:53:23,372
to that point I'm glad you know. So I think it

868
00:53:23,372 --> 00:53:26,332
would have been way too much if they had. They

869
00:53:26,332 --> 00:53:28,452
had. I think they had the right amount of Marines.

870
00:53:28,532 --> 00:53:30,652
So they didn't get completely, it didn't take them

871
00:53:30,652 --> 00:53:34,402
completely off the, off the table, but they you

872
00:53:34,402 --> 00:53:37,612
know, but they had just enough little appetizers

873
00:53:38,592 --> 00:53:43,352
for them in, in this season that to remind. To. To

874
00:53:43,352 --> 00:53:48,082
remind us that they're there. But but and you

875
00:53:48,082 --> 00:53:52,282
know, and, and they are are you know, for example,

876
00:53:52,282 --> 00:53:56,672
you know, with, with Chop with Smoker and Toshigi,

877
00:53:58,432 --> 00:54:00,752
having you know, their moments in the previous

878
00:54:00,752 --> 00:54:03,512
episodes and in these episodes too as far as, you

879
00:54:03,512 --> 00:54:05,352
know, intercepting the messages and hearing what

880
00:54:05,352 --> 00:54:10,144
was, you know, hearing what you and, and, and Mr.

881
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:14,292
0m messages going back and forth when they were on

882
00:54:14,292 --> 00:54:18,572
wax up. So yeah, so those were. I think, I think

883
00:54:18,652 --> 00:54:20,932
that was the appropriate amount of what we needed

884
00:54:20,932 --> 00:54:23,812
of the Marines this season. so that whenever we do

885
00:54:23,812 --> 00:54:25,972
get to the third season, which is in production

886
00:54:25,972 --> 00:54:28,292
right now, so hopefully, you know, it won't be as

887
00:54:28,292 --> 00:54:31,332
long of a break between the two. Between this

888
00:54:31,332 --> 00:54:33,582
season and the next. you know, we'll. We'll get

889
00:54:33,582 --> 00:54:35,062
back to them full. Full speed ahead.

890
00:54:37,082 --> 00:54:42,442
>> Sarah : Yeah yeah, we They. They love to build. They're

891
00:54:42,442 --> 00:54:44,762
building a world that is for sure. They're

892
00:54:44,762 --> 00:54:47,722
building. Building a world. And. And I know we're

893
00:54:47,722 --> 00:54:51,952
gonna get back to them and everything. I guess in

894
00:54:51,952 --> 00:54:57,822
a way the, the It almost feels like we need to. Or

895
00:54:57,822 --> 00:55:03,102
I m. Need two more episodes for this season or.

896
00:55:03,182 --> 00:55:06,382
And. And I probably don't because Less is always

897
00:55:06,462 --> 00:55:15,352
more. but I'm just having issues tonight with a.

898
00:55:15,352 --> 00:55:20,872
Finales and character arcs. And if I think about

899
00:55:20,872 --> 00:55:25,732
Luffy, who's our captain, our King of the Straw

900
00:55:25,732 --> 00:55:32,202
hats, who wants to be King of the Pirates, he

901
00:55:32,202 --> 00:55:39,722
didn't really go. He. He's the same Luffy, for

902
00:55:39,722 --> 00:55:42,722
better or worse. Yeah, at the start of the season

903
00:55:42,722 --> 00:55:46,262
and at the end of the season. and. And I. And I

904
00:55:46,262 --> 00:55:49,262
guess that's the point. I. I guess that's the

905
00:55:49,262 --> 00:55:53,542
point of Luffy. and it's just about all of these

906
00:55:53,542 --> 00:55:56,302
characters interacting with him and meeting him

907
00:55:56,302 --> 00:55:58,982
and him bringing out something in them, which we

908
00:55:58,982 --> 00:56:04,262
do see with Vivi and Chopper and. And. And the

909
00:56:04,262 --> 00:56:07,812
others. like, Nami hints at it. Zorro hints

910
00:56:07,812 --> 00:56:13,102
certainly hints at it. so. So it's. It's just

911
00:56:13,102 --> 00:56:16,712
different. and I'm not saying it's bad or

912
00:56:16,712 --> 00:56:21,752
anything. I'm just not accustomed to it. And. And

913
00:56:21,752 --> 00:56:27,762
so that's why, if I'm being honest, it still feels

914
00:56:27,762 --> 00:56:31,882
a bit awkward of a way to conclude a season to me.

915
00:56:33,252 --> 00:56:37,052
but then again, they. Like you said, season three

916
00:56:37,052 --> 00:56:40,812
is in production, so they. They know there. This

917
00:56:40,812 --> 00:56:44,982
is a continuation. And so this very much feels to

918
00:56:44,982 --> 00:56:47,502
me like what we were just talking about before

919
00:56:47,502 --> 00:56:52,542
with paradise. Like it's a bridge season. And. And

920
00:56:52,542 --> 00:56:56,422
then again, where. Where those two shows differ

921
00:56:56,422 --> 00:57:00,662
though is this one is also based on the longest

922
00:57:00,742 --> 00:57:07,062
running manga of all time. I'm like, okay, so how

923
00:57:07,062 --> 00:57:08,902
many bridge seasons are we gonna get?

924
00:57:11,292 --> 00:57:14,092
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know if it's. I don't

925
00:57:14,092 --> 00:57:16,012
know if it's a. I mean, I hear where you. I hear

926
00:57:16,012 --> 00:57:17,452
where you're coming from with the bridge season,

927
00:57:17,452 --> 00:57:18,652
but I think all of these are gonna be bridge

928
00:57:18,652 --> 00:57:20,292
seasons until, you know, because the story is

929
00:57:20,292 --> 00:57:22,362
still going. but I mean, I know. I know they do

930
00:57:22,362 --> 00:57:24,882
have a plan for the live action to. To wrap it up.

931
00:57:24,882 --> 00:57:27,202
I think, you know, pretty everything from six

932
00:57:27,202 --> 00:57:29,802
seasons to. To maybe. Or you know, or maybe

933
00:57:29,802 --> 00:57:36,172
longer. But, But, But I do do. But I get your

934
00:57:36,172 --> 00:57:38,842
point. Well, you'll go back to Luffy. You know, I

935
00:57:38,842 --> 00:57:42,722
think Luffy's Luffy. I mean, he. Yeah, he. You

936
00:57:42,722 --> 00:57:46,562
know, we have. We. We. Where we. You know, where.

937
00:57:46,562 --> 00:57:49,562
I think with our other characters, we, you know,

938
00:57:49,562 --> 00:57:54,722
you do see, I guess more almost. I don't know.

939
00:57:54,722 --> 00:57:57,442
Maybe. I don't want to overuse the word dramatic

940
00:57:57,442 --> 00:58:00,722
growth. But you do see. You definitely see a. A

941
00:58:00,722 --> 00:58:03,422
change with all our characters. I mean, between

942
00:58:03,422 --> 00:58:05,822
seasons one and two, as far as the Straw hats and,

943
00:58:06,222 --> 00:58:09,022
and. And you know like, and. And we learned you

944
00:58:09,022 --> 00:58:11,982
know, like for example when Sanchi and. And Nami

945
00:58:11,982 --> 00:58:15,582
were talking about, you know, why he learns why

946
00:58:16,062 --> 00:58:19,582
how his backstory as far as. As far as where he

947
00:58:19,582 --> 00:58:23,062
learned how to cook and, and it provided some, you

948
00:58:23,062 --> 00:58:27,582
know, greater depth for him and maybe so yeah. So

949
00:58:27,582 --> 00:58:31,922
compared to that, you know, Luffy, you know,

950
00:58:31,922 --> 00:58:38,222
Luffy, didn't get as much of that even though even

951
00:58:38,222 --> 00:58:41,102
though Dr. Correa did you know, did I did like

952
00:58:41,102 --> 00:58:43,892
that moment wherever whenever she and Dalton were

953
00:58:43,892 --> 00:58:46,532
on the whenever they were leaving at the end of

954
00:58:46,532 --> 00:58:49,172
episode eight. And it brought back Goldie. Goldie

955
00:58:49,172 --> 00:58:53,292
Roger again. so, so, so to me that was a good

956
00:58:53,372 --> 00:58:56,292
like, you know, putting again reminding us again

957
00:58:56,692 --> 00:59:01,212
that connection between Luffy and Gold D and which

958
00:59:01,212 --> 00:59:03,212
we got at the beginning of the season and they

959
00:59:03,212 --> 00:59:04,812
just reminded us that here at the end of the

960
00:59:04,812 --> 00:59:08,852
season as we move move to the third. So. Yeah, so

961
00:59:08,932 --> 00:59:11,202
you know. So for me, I You know that was. That

962
00:59:11,202 --> 00:59:15,642
was. I I was satisfied with that and I think

963
00:59:15,642 --> 00:59:20,382
that's what really really really made one of many

964
00:59:20,382 --> 00:59:22,902
reasons that that made this these episodes stand

965
00:59:22,902 --> 00:59:25,562
out. And then also I know, I know you weren't a

966
00:59:25,512 --> 00:59:30,122
ah, big fans of Dr. her look but you know, I, I

967
00:59:30,522 --> 00:59:32,922
You know going back to episode seven real fast

968
00:59:33,002 --> 00:59:37,162
with with. With his relationship with. With

969
00:59:37,242 --> 00:59:40,442
Chopper and the bond that they created there. I

970
00:59:40,442 --> 00:59:42,682
mean I, I guess. And I guess that's why when I

971
00:59:42,682 --> 00:59:44,402
When I started my comments tonight where I was

972
00:59:44,402 --> 00:59:46,362
like with episode I started immediately with

973
00:59:46,362 --> 00:59:48,732
episode eight was just because some tears were

974
00:59:48,732 --> 00:59:54,452
shed was because I I did really enjoy seeing that

975
00:59:54,452 --> 00:59:57,092
that bond and why. And why I think episode seven

976
00:59:57,092 --> 01:00:00,902
really resonated with me so much this season. as

977
01:00:00,902 --> 01:00:05,252
far as pro. My favorite for this season, was just.

978
01:00:05,412 --> 01:00:08,692
Just that that, that. That nurturing that that

979
01:00:08,692 --> 01:00:11,332
that that bond that was formed between the two.

980
01:00:14,632 --> 01:00:18,512
just how the sort of push pull that you have in

981
01:00:18,512 --> 01:00:20,832
relationships and one of the things I really enjoy

982
01:00:20,832 --> 01:00:24,032
about. About this show, you know I mentioned it

983
01:00:24,032 --> 01:00:27,392
last week and, And I'll do it again here is the

984
01:00:27,392 --> 01:00:30,712
range of emotions that that you know, they can do

985
01:00:30,712 --> 01:00:33,072
comedy, they can do drama, they can do action

986
01:00:33,072 --> 01:00:37,912
adventure. And and to that point about the. The.

987
01:00:37,912 --> 01:00:42,262
The. The relationship, you know, you know how I

988
01:00:42,262 --> 01:00:47,302
guess when Chopper was you know, whenever things

989
01:00:47,302 --> 01:00:50,222
got too too too close or too uncomfortable for.

990
01:00:50,942 --> 01:00:53,942
For Dr. Here look, he you know, because of all the

991
01:00:53,942 --> 01:00:57,142
things going on there on. On Drum island with the

992
01:00:57,142 --> 01:00:59,902
hunting down the Doctors and the hunting, you

993
01:00:59,902 --> 01:01:03,652
Know, hunting Chopper down, everything. Yeah.

994
01:01:03,652 --> 01:01:06,452
>> Sarah : and he got sick and he didn't want Chopper to see

995
01:01:06,452 --> 01:01:07,052
him die.

996
01:01:07,652 --> 01:01:11,292
>> Will: Guy. Yeah. So that was his. Yeah, that. And so he

997
01:01:11,292 --> 01:01:13,732
used the anger, you know, and used and used. You

998
01:01:13,732 --> 01:01:16,932
know, and used the things that. Used the wedge

999
01:01:16,932 --> 01:01:19,972
that people who know you best will like, will hurt

1000
01:01:20,292 --> 01:01:24,372
and to drive Chopper away. But at the end of the

1001
01:01:24,372 --> 01:01:26,292
day, Chopper still loved him so much that, you

1002
01:01:26,292 --> 01:01:28,172
know, I'll. You know, I know what you're doing

1003
01:01:28,172 --> 01:01:30,612
here, Doc. I'm gonna come back because I want to

1004
01:01:30,612 --> 01:01:32,172
be a doctor. I want to learn from you. And then,

1005
01:01:32,172 --> 01:01:34,202
you know, and they're seeing. And then seeing

1006
01:01:34,202 --> 01:01:36,642
Korea doing the same thing later. And if I'm

1007
01:01:36,642 --> 01:01:40,082
butchering her name, forgive me again. But, but

1008
01:01:40,082 --> 01:01:44,682
that same dynamic too, where, you know, where she.

1009
01:01:44,682 --> 01:01:48,242
You know, she. She, you know, because she. She was

1010
01:01:48,242 --> 01:01:51,202
happy. She knew that he had to leave the Allen to

1011
01:01:51,202 --> 01:01:54,162
go with the straw hats, but at the same time, you

1012
01:01:54,162 --> 01:01:56,522
know, she had also grown. She had also bonded

1013
01:01:56,522 --> 01:01:59,522
with. With Chopper and. And it was, you know, and

1014
01:01:59,522 --> 01:02:03,722
her. Her hurt of. Of having to see him go. You

1015
01:02:03,722 --> 01:02:06,602
know, she just didn't know how to, like, you know,

1016
01:02:06,602 --> 01:02:09,282
how to. How to articulate it. And, you know, it

1017
01:02:09,282 --> 01:02:11,402
is. She also had that same kind of feeling with.

1018
01:02:11,482 --> 01:02:14,122
With her look as well.

1019
01:02:15,002 --> 01:02:16,842
>> Sarah : Well, I think it's like hope.

1020
01:02:17,722 --> 01:02:19,082
>> Will: Yeah, man, was.

1021
01:02:19,082 --> 01:02:22,202
>> Sarah : Was the ultimate cure is that you're dealing with

1022
01:02:22,202 --> 01:02:25,612
people in a hopeless situation. And so, yeah, at

1023
01:02:25,612 --> 01:02:27,812
the end, that's what. That's what they needed.

1024
01:02:27,812 --> 01:02:32,212
That was the medicine was hope and the willing to

1025
01:02:32,532 --> 01:02:37,012
just be good and pure. So. And that's what Chopper

1026
01:02:37,732 --> 01:02:42,122
presents. and the innocence of Chopper, who thinks

1027
01:02:42,122 --> 01:02:47,442
he. He figured it out. He did the thing, and he,

1028
01:02:47,672 --> 01:02:50,572
And it wasn't. It wasn't the cure all. And it's

1029
01:02:50,572 --> 01:02:55,282
the exact thing that worried Kira is. Is hope also

1030
01:02:55,282 --> 01:02:58,522
kills people because. Yeah, you got to be

1031
01:02:58,522 --> 01:03:01,922
skeptical. So it's. It is a very interesting,

1032
01:03:04,332 --> 01:03:07,602
Interesting, dynamic that they brought up there.

1033
01:03:08,262 --> 01:03:14,172
Yeah, in terms of medicine and cures and, and

1034
01:03:14,252 --> 01:03:18,292
outsiders and insiders and the class system and

1035
01:03:18,292 --> 01:03:22,892
all of that, within Drum Kingdom. So. Yeah, so I.

1036
01:03:22,892 --> 01:03:27,122
I do. I do give it. Give it that. And. And again.

1037
01:03:27,122 --> 01:03:29,802
Again. Again, Chopper is just adorable. So it's.

1038
01:03:29,802 --> 01:03:32,722
It's hard not to like Chopper and not to want to

1039
01:03:32,722 --> 01:03:35,082
protect him at all costs. Totally understand.

1040
01:03:36,122 --> 01:03:39,112
Totally understand why Kura, like, didn't want to

1041
01:03:39,112 --> 01:03:44,952
say goodbye and. But ultimately, like, she. She be

1042
01:03:44,952 --> 01:03:48,752
good. She'd be good. And. And I think we're gonna

1043
01:03:48,752 --> 01:03:51,992
see her again. I mean there's a reason why, why we

1044
01:03:51,992 --> 01:03:56,492
they left her. Left her and Dalton where they did

1045
01:03:56,492 --> 01:03:57,572
with Drum Island.

1046
01:03:58,291 --> 01:03:58,771
>> Will: Yeah.

1047
01:03:59,412 --> 01:04:05,652
>> Sarah : And so. All right, well I think on that note that

1048
01:04:05,732 --> 01:04:09,222
leaves us let's us conclude One piece season two.

1049
01:04:10,262 --> 01:04:12,382
Will, why don't you tell our listeners where they

1050
01:04:12,382 --> 01:04:13,222
can find you?

1051
01:04:13,942 --> 01:04:16,512
>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at Will

1052
01:04:16,512 --> 01:04:18,952
and Polk W I L L M P O

1053
01:04:18,952 --> 01:04:22,032
>> Sarah : L K. You can find me there too at SJ Belmont S J B

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01:04:22,032 --> 01:04:25,112
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