Is Gary a Tragic Villain? | Paradise Season 2 Episode 5 Review

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>> Sarah : Foreign. Nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your

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host, Sarah Belmont, and with me, as always, is

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our Mr. Producer, will Will Polk How are you doing

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tonight. Will.

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. Looking forward to talking

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some paradise with you tonight.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. So I have to tell you.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : hi. I pulled it. I pulled a Sarah this weekend.

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Where have you heard about this show on Netflix,

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this new Rachel Wise show, called Vladimir.

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>> Will: Vladimir? No, I haven't.

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>> Sarah : It's. It's a half hour. It's not a Will show.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : It's barely a Sarah show.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : So I, I was interested because I like Rachel Wise,

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but I was also interested and I'm blanking on his

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name. but the actor who, starred in One Day also

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co stars in this, and it's about a, A professor

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who's obsessed with this, this new assistant

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professor. and. And yeah, it's about that

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obsession.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : I started, I swear to God, I started the show

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Saturday night and, within five minutes I turned

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it off. And I was like, no, because they did

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straight the camera, which I was not expecting.

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>> Sarah : You know how sometimes the character, like, will

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break the fourth wall?

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : And. And so it's. But, but I. It's not. She just

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breaks it once or twice an episode. She.

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Throughout the entire episode, like there's scenes

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going on and then she'll break the fourth wall.

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And I'm like, why?

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>> Will: Right. Oh, wow.

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>> Sarah : So. So however Sunday rolls around and because,

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because of one One Piece's release date, this is

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all One Piece's fault, by the way.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I really didn't have anything to watch. Okay. So

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next thing I know, I put it on in the background

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while I'm doing a bunch of stuff. And before I

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know it, because they're half hour episodes, I'm

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done. I. I would like to say I watched it, but I

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mainly listened. I don't know, but I was the,

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Just. Just when you thought, like, see TV is also

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so interesting in the streaming age because

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Netflix, it. It's, it's. It's not very consistent

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with the product that they're. They're. They

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release how. However, it's just. I had to bring it

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up because I know that, it's been somewhat

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advertised on Netflix. but my take in it, it's,

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It's. It's good background noise. But I don't

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think that. And I, like I said at the beginning, I

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do adore Rachel Wise. I don't think she was cast

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correctly, because I didn't get the chemistry

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between these two. and. And it also just got so

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weird. They did a lot of stuff because she's

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married in the show to another professor who is

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simultaneously going through a Title 9 issue for

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sleeping with students. Oh. now. Now that's okay,

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though, because their marriage is, more of just a,

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an agreement.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : It's not a marriage. It's not a love marriage in

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any way. And they make that very clear. It just.

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There. There's some stuff that I don't know is.

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They go to very unexpected places, but it just.

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Just. It didn't work for me altogether. so if. If

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I had, anything else to watch, then I probably

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would have. Okay. but I, for whatever reason,

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didn't also want to rewatch a reality show or

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anything, so.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, I, Yeah, I. Given that the Oscars are

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coming up this upcoming Sunday, I wanted, to have

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an informed opinion. And I think I shared with you

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last week via text about. I did finally watch one

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Battle after another, and I didn't make it through

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the first. You know, it's like two and a. I guess

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it's like 240 without ads on HBO Max. And, with

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that, it's a little longer. But bottom line is I.

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I did find. I did finish it. It didn't. It did not

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resonate with me at first. I'm glad I finished it.

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I see why people really like the film, but it's

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just. I don't know. I mean, to me, Centers was

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the. Was the superior film. not that More Battle

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is bad. It's just. I just. I just didn't. I. I was

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like, okay, it's good. Sean Penn's great in it.

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Leo's great in it. And, I was saying

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>> Sarah : Tiana, Tiana Taylor. Like, I had it and then I

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lost it and then I had it again.

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>> Will: Yeah, she was. Yeah. But, I mean, the cast is

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great and all the story, you know, has its

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moments. And I will say I'm glad. I am glad I

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finished it because the way it ended, it really.

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The last 45 minutes or so really does kick in and

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it. And. And I was really engaged with it from

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that point forward. But, you know, the pacing and

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other things about it, you know, early on was kind

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of, I don't know, just. It just didn't. Didn't.

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Didn't quite work for me. But. But I'm glad I. But

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I'm glad I watched it. So at least. At least with

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some of the films you, know, I haven't made it

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through all the other eight films that have been

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nominated for best picture, but. But I figured the

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ones that, you know, seem to be the. At least

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from. From award season so far, who seem to be the

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front runners, I figured better, like, catching

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them both. Obviously. We talked about center some

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time ago, but I did. I did. I did watch that. And

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I was like, okay, I. I see why it was nominated,

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but just. But I do still think that Sinners, is

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the better film. So we'll see what happens Sunday,

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see if the Academy of voters agree.

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>> Sarah : So are those the only two that you've seen?

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>> Will: who else has been nominated this year? I think I

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may have caught maybe one other one. Maybe. Or

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maybe not. I don't think I have. Yeah, I haven't

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seen Hamnet, I guess. Yeah. Everything I've heard

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about it, I just, you know, that's one that's

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like. Okay. I just. I don't know if I'll ever be

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in the right for my mind to watch it. and I know

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there's been a. There's some others as well. But,

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>> Sarah : is Marty supreme nominated? I know Marty.

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>> Will: Yeah, I think it is. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah.

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>> Will: That's another one I was hoping to make. I was

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hoping to watch beforehand, but, I haven't gotten

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to it. I may try to watch it this week. We'll see.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. In light of Timothy's recent, comments.

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>> Will: Oh, yeah.

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>> Sarah : He might have just lost his Oscar, which he might.

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Well, maybe I'm questioning because I'm like, I

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thought, like, there was an Academy of voters. I

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didn't realize that this was determined by public

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opinion all of a sudden.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, hopefully he, I can't

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remember when he made the comments, if it was

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before or after voting closed on McConaughey Hayes

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podcast. But, you know. But your point is well

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taken.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, we just have. We have

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surprisingly, only one thing to talk about tonight

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and one episode of it, and that is Paradise.

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Season 2, episode 5. The Mailman Xavier meets Gary

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and learns what happened to Terry on the day. They

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really need to come up with something else to

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refer to this.

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>> Will: Yeah, it was an extinction level, event. That's

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what it was. Yeah. Extinction. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : They. They really need to hype up the marketing

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here. Okay. We need to come up with a new, New

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word for it. so let's. Let's just focus on the

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past, and Gary and Terry's, survival of these

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years. Granted, it starts way, way earlier than

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expected as, the cow shooting the infamous shooter

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and the fact that, who ends up killing Cal at the

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end of the first season in the bunker. I, I forgot

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that his manifesto had been released. So that was

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a clue as to a question I posed probably just last

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week about this show. And why does everybody know?

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Well, it's not that everybody knows, but there was

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this manifesto from this crazy person that was

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released and, and so other people, cling on to

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that, and that's what occurs between Enos and

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Gary, in the opening part of this. Of this show.

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Will, what are some of your thoughts about Gary

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and Enos, their friendship and their, Their

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formation of this plan of how to survive if the.

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In the worst case scenario occurs?

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>> Will: Yeah, so, you know, they, they, they, they. We

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first meet them. You know, we meet Gary. He's, you

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know, just, just your average guy mailman. We see

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sort of a life. You know, they really. I, like the

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way they have used this season to introduce the,

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the characters stories. You know, because the

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first season we focused on the bunker. Second

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season we are seeing the perspective as we talked

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about before, people who, Who. Whose lives changed

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from the day. And I agree with you. Do that come

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up with another term. So listeners, you know,

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share. Share your thoughts as far as. Give us,

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Give us your ideas as far as what. How. How to

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refer to the events of the. The seventh episode

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from season one. But, you know, we, you know, we

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see. We see him on his route. He doesn't like

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dogs. you know, but. But you know, he of course

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comes across Bean and his family and you know, it

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was domestic violent situations there. So, you

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know, so we see the evolution of Gary getting a

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little bit more, you know, comfortable as he gets

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on his mail routes. And then, you know, and of

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course we see it in the night with, With Enos and

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of course, you know, with his, you know, first

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funny thing, I did laugh out loud when I saw his

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like, username on the. The game console. Norman P.

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Enos. And but, you know, just her back and forth.

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And then of course, you know, we get the, you

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know, they get into the whole prepper thing and,

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and, and Dr. Luge again shows up. you know, I'm

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wondering if, if he made it through, through the

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event because, you know, they keep. We. We keep

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seeing him in these flashbacks and, and of course,

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you know, we saw him Sinatra, this season. And

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then of course we, you know, we see the podcast

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and, and you're talking about the, about the

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volcanic activity that would lead to the end of

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the World. And.

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>> Sarah : Oh, him, Him. For a moment I was like, who are you

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talking? there, There were. I, I don't know if you

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had this question. and I guess we, I might be

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jumping the shark here, but we. They. The plan was

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to. For seven people to join now. Seven people,

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including Anus and Gary or so.

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>> Will: So them five, plus them because we had the

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gardener, we had engineer that we had. Yeah, we

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had the nurse, the, build. A carpenter.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: A mechanic.

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>> Sarah : Yep.

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>> Will: the two of them. And then, and then they, you

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know, they had a conversation about whether or not

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to include a protector, whether it be military,

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cop or whatever. But then, you know, they make,

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you know, think Gary makes the point. What if our

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guy turned with. What if our guy with the gun

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turns on us? So. Which was very prescient in some

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ways. well, not pres. But very weird, you know,

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given how things ended up.

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>> Sarah : But yeah, yeah. So, so my, My question was towards

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the end of the flashback sequences. Yeah, it's

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the. We have the nurse, and Jack, like, they go

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off. there are two people missing. And I, I just,

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I, that stuck with me where I was like, there's no

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explanation for at least two, if not more of these

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people and what happened to them. but I, I, I

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don't. It just seemed like a hole for me that I

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could not, not fill. And so I'm just, I'm just,

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Now I'm just, lost in what I'm trying to explain.

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But it was, it was odd to me that they. There was

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such an emphasis about the number of people. And I

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get why, from a storytelling perspective, because

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it really. They were trying to explain to you or

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justify the, the initial. Which led further, but

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the initial antagonism between Terry and, Enos,

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because suddenly the plan was this number, this

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amount of supplies and all of that, which, I mean,

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overall, you, You've, What. What do you make of

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Enos? And, Because we see a few different sides of

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him.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So I guess, first of all, is he a dick or is he

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just a really lonely person who ironically seized

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an opportunity to make himself not feel as lonely

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and then, just by his own nature, suddenly

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isolated himself.

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>> Will: I think, I think he was truly lonely. I mean, I

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think, I think both of them were truly, bothly

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lonely people. And, but not, you know, but it was

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just, but it wasn't in the, like, toxic loneliness

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that you could, that, that we would, that it could

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have been, I think, Enos. I mean, well, you know,

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it was you know, we did some have some of that,

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you know, with the, Some of the, you know, with

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the, you know, having to have the hot nurse and,

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and, and that kind of stuff. But I think it was

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just two guys. You know, I think Enos was, Was,

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you know, happy to find a common bond with, With

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Gary, especially as they were starting to talk

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about the prepper stuff. And, and also they had

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that common interest, you know, beyond the games.

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And so, you know, but how it manifested itself

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once they were, you know, whenever they were,

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having to pull extra people into the, into the

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bunker. I do think, Enos did resent Terry and you

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know, he, you know, Buddy. Buddy also had come to

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respect her because, you know, Gary explained.

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because even. Because even Gary, like, you know,

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early on after the incident, you know, shares

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like, look, I'm, you know, I'm trying to give you

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some cover here because everybody in here is

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pulling your weight, their weight, except for you

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two. You know, obviously Bean is a little kid and

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then Terry's just, you know, just in shock and

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grief for what she.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: With her, you know, knowing what she's lost about

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her family.

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>> Sarah : You needed a wake up call. Yeah.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I, I think the most interesting line that Gary

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says about Enos is, that this is the most

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important he's felt in a very long time.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : and I. That stuck out to me because it. He. Gary

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h. Knows Enos and like has known him for. He's.

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He's known him the longest out of anybody else in

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this bunker. And so. And they've built a strong

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friendship. But, what happens when suddenly

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you're, you're clearly included in this family and

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like building new relationships with these other

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person and that are these other people. And Enos

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is kind of not able to do that. So then he's

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trying to be like, well, we're a family, but Enos

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is with us as well. You can't. It was, it was a

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very thing. And I think that he, he, he says it in

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a way where hasn't felt important, but I think

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really what he was trying to say is like, whether

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it's friendship or love, he's never felt that. And

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this was his opportunity to get it.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And he still manages to get in his, in his own

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way, but he always has Gary.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And, and so, and, and Enis then watching what

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potentially over time. This is probably a strong

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word, but the threat of Terry.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Someone to take him away from. It's Very

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interesting. And, I think that between that and,

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and Bean, I, I had the most interest in. In how

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they. I was. I was most surprised by. By the. The

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evolution of Enos, ultimately to his demise, but

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worked. and I, And I really did appreciate that.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad you brought the. The fact

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that. About the line as far as, you know, filling

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the most important effects, I. I read. I. I also

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had that same thought that you did, but I also

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thought it was in respect. It was also. Could be

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mirrored back on Gary as well.

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>> Sarah : yeah, absolutely.

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>> Will: Yeah. Because, I mean, because really it was

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Enos's friendship that gave him purpose.

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>> Sarah : Yes.

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>> Will: because, you know, when they had the conversations

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about the bunker at the post office and as far as

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the fallout shelter, you know, and. And Gary was

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like. You know, Gary, like, for example, he. He's

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like, I'm, you know, to the point about

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loneliness. He didn't have anyone, so he's like,

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you know what? I'll use my pension to like, go buy

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the supplies and stuff to. To stock this thing so

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that when. When the. Gets real, we will have it.

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So, So I, So I, I think it definitely, like, cut

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both ways as far as that. That, comment in the.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah, because. And it's so. It's so

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interesting to think about the episode through the

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lens that they are both technically the same

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person, yet they're, They. They have, And. And

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they have their own flaws, but. But they. They.

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They end up going on such different paths at the

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same time. I. I think about at the beginning when

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they first enter the bunker and Gary pulls out the

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flashcards. Okay. I wrote it down like, like they.

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In. Because we keep, You keep bringing up

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loneliness that they both shared. they. They both

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still deal with their loneliness. Loneliness, very

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person. I mean, Gary is very presented as. Other

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than these conversations. We're watching evolve

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with Enos over. Over gameplay. Okay. That's

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another thing. It's not face to face. It's not

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personal. And then we see him out and about and as

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the mailman and he's not talking to anybody.

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Stranger danger. He observes though.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : he. He's my kind of introvert. I. I will say that

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I, I very much. I very much live a, ah, life very

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similarly to Gary. So it's very funny for me to

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watch it, but he is a very observant person. Yet

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because he doesn't have. He is dealing with this

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loneliness and doesn't have family and friends

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around him, it is hard to suddenly talk to people,

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even if you see them every day when you're

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delivering the mail. so I, I, I appreciate that.

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Which. And the flashcards killed me. But then you

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have Enos, who's very direct. Even though he is a

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lonely person. He, he's also that type who will

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try.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : He's not afraid to vet. Even though he's probably

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been shunned again and again and again. but he, he

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makes up false a little. He tells little white

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lies. Like, yeah, I'm an engineer, except for the

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fact that all I did was really customer support

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court with putting together people's Internet.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Like, he, he's so. But he, he wants to make it

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appear that somebody will need him because he

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feels like that's the only way to get a

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friendship, especially in this now, survival

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world. So it's, I, it's. And then to again go to

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the end of their friendship, albeit where they go

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to the train. They get in the news that the train

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is headed to Colorado. We will talk about that in

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a moment.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : and, and Enos is just yap, yap, yap, yap, yap. And

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you're like, shut up. Ah. And then Barry shuts him

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up. And, but you're also. I, I liked the

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juxtaposition between that scene and the end of

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the friendship that started everything in, in

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terms of the Gary's story juxtaposed when present

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day with the reveal of a secret that isn't about

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Enos. And, and it is a secret, but it's about a

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different relationship and his relation. Gary's

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relationship with Terry.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I, that, that was also very clever and good

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storytelling too, because, I mean, as a character,

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because we're, we spent, we spend more time,

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ironically, in these flashbacks with Gary than we

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do Terry. Gary, for this episode's, our

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protagonist.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So then for him to, tell this, it's not a lie, but

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it's also not the full truth.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : To Xavier in present day, you're also like, okay,

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you're not. As you're, you're suddenly, Suddenly

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he becomes the antagonist. It's, it's very, it's

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very interesting.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, as I was thinking about Enoch,

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I was like, you know, he's kind of a tragic

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villain.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Like, he, he was, he was

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used as a scapegoat and he, But, but see, then

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there's these moments where you're like, you did

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it to yourself. But.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. yeah. I mean, whatever the.

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Yeah. This is going back to the. Pat, going back

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to the past, you know, and I think, you know, do

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think about the radio. yeah, you know, because,

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you know, you know, because he, you know, in the

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whole, the whole thing too. You know, first we do

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have this newfound family of all these folks who

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are now in the bunker and you know, and their

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relationships that build with it and you know,

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even, you know, you know, you know, Terry comes up

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with the plan to do Christmas and you know,

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because, you know, to help. To give Beans, you

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know, help because Bean was getting catatonic and

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needed something to, you know, keep. Get, Come out

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of his shell. And, and then Gary, you know, builds

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the radio and then they have the moment where he,

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you know, tries to kiss. Tries to kiss Terry. And,

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and it was, it was so sad and so on, but also so

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on point. I mean, it wasn't like, you know, I saw,

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we all saw it coming. and, and, but, but, you

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know, but it was very revealing, you know, as you

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were saying, like the, you know, I guess with Enos

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feeling possibly threatened by Terry, Terry was

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just like, you know, we both see, you know, we've

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seen now how both, now Terry and Xavier dealt

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with, you know, romantic situations because.

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>> Sarah : Oh, wow, we're, we're gonna bring up that because

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Xavier went all the way.

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>> Will: that's my point. That's my point. That's why I

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bring it, that's why I bring it up. Because, you

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know, because, I mean, I guess at that point,

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thinking back to season one, I think by that point

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Xavier, you know, it was before he heard the radio

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transmission.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. He had really, he had no idea

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>> Will: that he was really trying to like, okay, it's

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meant however many years at that point.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Ah.

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>> Will: In the story. So he was like, okay, I've gotta

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move on with my life. Whereas Terry, you know, we,

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you know, we see Terry's situation and she's like,

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you know, she's still holding on to that, that

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hope that they, that she's still, you know, at the

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end of the day, I'm here, I'm gonna, I'm, you

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know, I'm thankful, thank, Thankful for you all

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pulling me in when, you know, when that moment,

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you know.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Will: Happened. But I'm still focused on my family and,

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and all. Yeah. So I just, I, I, I had to bring it

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up. This is wanted to just, you know, really just

483
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show how, you know, the, again, life in the bunker

484
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:21,590
versus out of the bunker. And I really like how

485
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:24,350
season two really is focusing on These stories,

486
00:27:24,510 --> 00:27:26,270
like you said earlier, it's really Gary's story

487
00:27:26,270 --> 00:27:26,750
this week.

488
00:27:27,150 --> 00:27:27,410
>> Sarah : We.

489
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:28,760
>> Will: With life outside of Bunker.

490
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,960
>> Sarah : Yeah. I, I personally not my favorite moment of

491
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:40,160
the episode. I also, it was so awkward. Yeah. I, I

492
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,360
don't know if I could. It was coming, but I also,

493
00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:47,680
I didn't want it because I knew, I knew she

494
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,360
wouldn't reciprocate. And so I, I don't want that

495
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:52,360
hurt for Gary.

496
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:53,130
>> Will: Yeah.

497
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,920
>> Sarah : and plus, I didn't get any chemistry between those

498
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:57,240
two.

499
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,760
>> Will: No. No. I mean, it was truly, just truly platonic.

500
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,960
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. So. So that's why I was also like, I

501
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,080
don't, I don't think this was warranted. But then

502
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,600
again, we all know how I felt about the hookup

503
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,520
that happened in season one.

504
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:10,880
>> Will: Yeah.

505
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,080
>> Sarah : With Xavier. So.

506
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:12,600
>> Will: Yeah.

507
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,640
>> Sarah : the, the other person I want to talk about is

508
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,120
Bean, and I want to talk about Bean, mainly

509
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:22,240
because I don't know what happens with me

510
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,480
sometimes because you, you've spent years now

511
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:30,200
talking television with me, and you know that I am

512
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,240
very much like, kill that person. Kill this

513
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:38,040
person. But the moment when Bean is out of the van

514
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,360
and he is in the middle of Roan, I'm like, I'm

515
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:48,200
like, if you, if something happens to this kid, I

516
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,700
swear to go throwing hands. I am going to throw

517
00:28:52,700 --> 00:28:56,220
some hands because. No, you're gonna find. No, I

518
00:28:56,220 --> 00:28:58,220
don't want, I don't want stuff. I don't want a

519
00:28:58,220 --> 00:29:01,820
casualty of a kid to allow Terry to survive. Okay.

520
00:29:01,820 --> 00:29:05,100
I don't like that. So thank God that's not what

521
00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:10,580
happened. And thank God it was more about a

522
00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:14,350
instinct. And, to go back to a line that Gary

523
00:29:14,670 --> 00:29:21,500
tells to Terry later. and it's that he and I, and

524
00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:25,460
I love how he puts it, that he had no instincts.

525
00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:28,980
Like, he didn't even have the bad instinct because

526
00:29:29,140 --> 00:29:35,220
he was just living stranger danger by himself. And

527
00:29:35,780 --> 00:29:39,470
that was keeping him, quote, unquote, safe. and

528
00:29:39,470 --> 00:29:48,030
so, but he knew with how she interpreted the, the

529
00:29:48,030 --> 00:29:52,030
context of the situation where you have a kid who

530
00:29:52,030 --> 00:29:54,990
says, that person who's saying, get in the van.

531
00:29:55,310 --> 00:29:55,790
>> Will: Yeah.

532
00:29:55,790 --> 00:30:01,070
>> Sarah : Is not my dad. Like, and then the protection, he,

533
00:30:01,230 --> 00:30:04,230
he sees that, and then he's like, you're a good

534
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:09,590
person. So because you, like me, have looked at

535
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:13,350
this kid who's clearly alone and no one cares

536
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:15,550
about him and just wants to help.

537
00:30:15,790 --> 00:30:16,350
>> Will: Yeah.

538
00:30:16,590 --> 00:30:21,750
>> Sarah : So you come to. And that is how she ends up

539
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:27,590
surviving. I, I, I think that. I'm glad. And this

540
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:31,390
is also very unlikely. I'm glad we had more of the

541
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,560
Gary shared that. Because even though we saw the

542
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:36,040
moment.

543
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:36,600
>> Will: Yeah.

544
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,680
>> Sarah : I think in hindsight it allowed us to understand

545
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,960
why that moment was so significant, because there

546
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,080
was hardly any words. There was a lot of looks and

547
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,160
like, what we're saying, not really romantic

548
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:57,200
looks. It was more about seeing someone doing an

549
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,780
action that's. Then you see yourself in them and

550
00:31:00,780 --> 00:31:04,100
then you're like, I also see the good part of me

551
00:31:04,180 --> 00:31:08,700
in you. So you're, worth saving. So.

552
00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:09,100
>> Will: Yeah.

553
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:15,390
>> Sarah : and. And I just. I think that again, I want to

554
00:31:15,390 --> 00:31:18,750
understand the. The dealings that occurred because

555
00:31:18,750 --> 00:31:21,830
last week I mentioned the fact that Xavier is now

556
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:25,830
caring for a white baby. And we. We watched this

557
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:29,530
episode and Terry, for the last few years has. For

558
00:31:29,530 --> 00:31:30,290
a white boy.

559
00:31:30,450 --> 00:31:30,930
>> Will: Yeah,

560
00:31:33,090 --> 00:31:34,010
>> Sarah : it's. It's the.

561
00:31:34,010 --> 00:31:35,920
>> Will: Like you said, the what? the inverse. This is us.

562
00:31:35,900 --> 00:31:39,060
>> Sarah : Yeah, exactly. It really. Again, I want to

563
00:31:39,060 --> 00:31:39,340
understand.

564
00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:44,470
>> Will: Yeah. One thing too, you know, about, You know,

565
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:47,310
I'm glad you brought the fact that Gary, you know,

566
00:31:47,470 --> 00:31:50,070
notes in that moment, her instincts. And also the

567
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:51,870
fact that, you know, she's gonna be a big part of

568
00:31:51,870 --> 00:31:54,830
this because. And Terry really does. Because we,

569
00:31:54,830 --> 00:31:57,610
you know, we, you know, she. Whenever she first

570
00:31:57,610 --> 00:32:00,810
introduces herself into the group in the bunker

571
00:32:00,810 --> 00:32:02,410
and they're going around, you know, she's like,

572
00:32:02,650 --> 00:32:06,330
you know, I'm myceliologist, and I'm, probably

573
00:32:06,330 --> 00:32:09,170
butchering the pronunciation, but yeah, basically

574
00:32:09,170 --> 00:32:11,090
she, you know, works on mushrooms and. And it

575
00:32:11,090 --> 00:32:12,930
truly does become a very important thing because,

576
00:32:12,930 --> 00:32:16,210
you know, she developed penicillin and, you know,

577
00:32:16,210 --> 00:32:18,130
the. The diesel fuel that they're going to drive

578
00:32:18,130 --> 00:32:20,530
to Colorado with and. And you know, all the

579
00:32:20,530 --> 00:32:23,050
things. So, you know, I think this really did.

580
00:32:23,050 --> 00:32:26,290
Again, just like we saw with the. With Annie's

581
00:32:26,290 --> 00:32:29,720
episode and. And even the third, the fourth

582
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,000
episode with. With how, you know, how life outside

583
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,520
the bunker has happened. People have, you know,

584
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,800
people are, at the end of the day, survivors and

585
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,440
will. Will adapt. And. And everybody still.

586
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,880
There's even. Even. Even. It was, you know, I was

587
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,560
thinking as I was watching episode, because even

588
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,620
with Gary and Enos, like, playing planning their

589
00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:54,060
version of their bunker, you know, so, you know,

590
00:32:54,060 --> 00:32:56,580
they. They had that same kind of planning element

591
00:32:56,580 --> 00:33:01,500
that Sinatra and the Robbie had too. And, and,

592
00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:04,940
and. And then, you know, he. He saw the. You know,

593
00:33:04,940 --> 00:33:07,380
he. Like you said with Terry, you know, at the

594
00:33:07,380 --> 00:33:09,140
time, he didn't know her. Her scientific

595
00:33:09,140 --> 00:33:13,260
background. But to your point, he. He had, you

596
00:33:13,260 --> 00:33:16,060
know, she. He saw that she had instincts, which in

597
00:33:16,060 --> 00:33:17,780
that moment, he's like, we need to bring her along

598
00:33:17,780 --> 00:33:18,260
with us.

599
00:33:19,159 --> 00:33:24,519
>> Sarah : Yeah, I You know, as you were talking about, like,

600
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:28,159
her contributions, the. More when I think about

601
00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:31,559
this episode and what we were shown of Terry,

602
00:33:32,439 --> 00:33:35,399
because previously we've done a lot of speculation

603
00:33:36,199 --> 00:33:42,959
and from what we have of who she is, from the bits

604
00:33:42,959 --> 00:33:45,439
and pieces that we've seen, and there's been a lot

605
00:33:45,439 --> 00:33:49,120
of emphasis on Terry and her career. M. So it's

606
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,560
very interesting that in the flashbacks of her on

607
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,840
the day and surviving for the last three years,

608
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,720
there is more emphasis as her, through her

609
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,160
relationship with Bean, as more of a maternal

610
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:06,440
role.

611
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:07,160
>> Will: Yeah.

612
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:12,800
>> Sarah : And a caretaker. And also the, another line that

613
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,800
resonates when I think about this episode is Gary

614
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:22,480
referring to being as our boy. M. Present day,

615
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,040
when he's talking to Xavier, he took her and he

616
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:27,920
took our boy.

617
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,600
>> Will: Yeah. Yes.

618
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,520
>> Sarah : Now at that point, that's when Xavier stopped

619
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:40,000
liking you. Okay. So, so it's, it's, it was, I

620
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,280
think, to go back to that first moment with the

621
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,560
three of them because she wanted to protect him,

622
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,920
and that's what Gary was trying to do.

623
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:55,140
Simultaneously, suddenly, Bean became theirs. M.

624
00:34:55,140 --> 00:34:58,400
Because they both looked at this kid and was like,

625
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,000
I want to shield you from this horrible thing

626
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,880
that's going to happen. And whether they like it

627
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,000
or not, that's when they become a partners. And

628
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,080
Terry at some point even refers to them as part of

629
00:35:11,230 --> 00:35:11,630
partners.

630
00:35:11,710 --> 00:35:12,190
>> Will: Yeah.

631
00:35:12,420 --> 00:35:15,040
>> Sarah : but that is it. But then she drew the line very

632
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,360
well. Down, down and been like partners. That is

633
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,120
all. That does not mean this, but I will help you

634
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,160
raise this kid.

635
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:22,710
>> Will: Yeah.

636
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:29,470
>> Sarah : so I, I, and, and that is a relationship and a

637
00:35:29,470 --> 00:35:32,830
dynamic that Enos, there was no way for her, him

638
00:35:32,830 --> 00:35:34,070
to get involved in it.

639
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:34,630
>> Will: Yeah.

640
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,520
>> Sarah : Because, I mean, Enos was the uncle you don't

641
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:38,800
like.

642
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,000
>> Will: Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

643
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:49,380
>> Sarah : He's like, so, so it's just, so I, I, to go back

644
00:35:49,380 --> 00:35:57,220
to Terry, I, I can appreciate now that even

645
00:35:57,220 --> 00:36:01,660
without her family, we're suddenly starting to see

646
00:36:01,660 --> 00:36:05,610
her more through the lens of being a partner to

647
00:36:05,610 --> 00:36:11,620
Gary and a, mother figure for Bean, which, because

648
00:36:11,620 --> 00:36:15,340
of this, the show, we haven't seen any of that,

649
00:36:15,340 --> 00:36:15,700
really.

650
00:36:16,020 --> 00:36:16,340
>> Will: Right.

651
00:36:16,340 --> 00:36:19,260
>> Sarah : We've seen, we've seen, yes. We've seen

652
00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:23,700
interactions, of course, between Terry and Xavier

653
00:36:23,940 --> 00:36:28,580
in the past, but those also have been quite

654
00:36:29,380 --> 00:36:34,230
confrontational. They have been very. Because of

655
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:37,710
the whole situation with the secret and not being

656
00:36:37,710 --> 00:36:40,790
able to tell the truth and then her ambition and

657
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:46,030
all of that. Like, we, we've seen more of them. So

658
00:36:46,030 --> 00:36:50,390
now this season, we're, we, we now got their first

659
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:54,540
meeting of when he fell in love. Okay. And she

660
00:36:54,540 --> 00:36:59,840
liked him. Ah. So, and, and allowed to start over

661
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,320
and, and agreed to start a relationship with him.

662
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:02,800
>> Will: Yeah.

663
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,640
>> Sarah : So then now we're seeing her in the future to

664
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:12,280
flesh her out more in that mother, and wife mode.

665
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,800
But, but without her family. So and, and, and the

666
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,440
same can be said for Xavier.

667
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:18,840
>> Will: Yeah.

668
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,960
>> Sarah : Where we haven't really seen him as in that

669
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,850
husband role because he, he, we haven't seen them

670
00:37:26,850 --> 00:37:29,090
as a partners together. So.

671
00:37:29,250 --> 00:37:31,410
>> Will: Yeah. I mean the times that we did see it, it was,

672
00:37:31,570 --> 00:37:33,570
it, you know, it was in the, in the parental

673
00:37:33,570 --> 00:37:36,700
context of what was going on at the school. yeah,

674
00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:39,090
yeah. so it was, it was that and a good caught bad

675
00:37:39,090 --> 00:37:40,810
cop kind of thing. So we got some, you know, so we

676
00:37:40,810 --> 00:37:45,210
did see you saw them as a parental unit in, in

677
00:37:45,210 --> 00:37:48,440
that, in that context. But but yeah, but otherwise

678
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:48,760
it

679
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,750
>> Sarah : has been and, and we've been told a lot of

680
00:37:52,750 --> 00:37:56,190
antidotes. Like in this episode we are told a

681
00:37:56,910 --> 00:37:59,950
retold an anecdote about reading to your children.

682
00:38:00,430 --> 00:38:05,230
And the fact that Xavier learns that Jackie read

683
00:38:05,790 --> 00:38:12,030
to or Terry allowed Jack to read to Bean, that

684
00:38:12,030 --> 00:38:14,910
means that's a full sign of trust. Therefore,

685
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,640
here's Annie's baby. Yep Yep. Let me say that one

686
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,480
more time. Annie's baby. Yep. That is the name

687
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:28,980
first and middle. and, and he even though he would

688
00:38:28,980 --> 00:38:30,020
not let Gary.

689
00:38:30,659 --> 00:38:31,220
>> Will: Yeah.

690
00:38:31,380 --> 00:38:34,420
>> Sarah : All smile at the kid, which was great.

691
00:38:34,740 --> 00:38:35,300
>> Will: Yep.

692
00:38:35,460 --> 00:38:40,780
>> Sarah : Oh my God. I, I, I, I, I appreciate, I'm glad we

693
00:38:40,780 --> 00:38:43,220
didn't spend too much time in the, in the present.

694
00:38:43,810 --> 00:38:46,890
>> Will: Yeah, Yeah, I think they spent, yeah, it's did

695
00:38:46,890 --> 00:38:47,490
just enough.

696
00:38:49,890 --> 00:38:51,410
>> Sarah : Just, just enough. Hello.

697
00:38:51,570 --> 00:38:53,490
>> Will: Yeah, and I was saying they spent just enough time

698
00:38:53,570 --> 00:38:56,960
in the present, just to. Yeah, because you know,

699
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,360
again, this, we, I think that's, I think it

700
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,880
because of what the heel, the, the turn that Gary

701
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,800
does later. I mean you really did need to spend

702
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,560
that time in the past, to really, you know, and

703
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,280
it's just like Annie's too. I mean it was, you

704
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,480
know, I like the way they've structured this

705
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,800
season where you know, it does make you, you know,

706
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,970
care about these characters. you know, that

707
00:39:20,970 --> 00:39:24,410
they're that have gotten dropped in and you know,

708
00:39:24,410 --> 00:39:26,250
we've lost one and who knows what's going to

709
00:39:26,250 --> 00:39:28,900
happen with, with Gary when Xavier finds out that

710
00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:32,130
he's double crossing him. Well, essentially double

711
00:39:32,130 --> 00:39:33,050
crossing him. I don't know.

712
00:39:33,050 --> 00:39:35,970
>> Sarah : I mean, we'll see what's going to happen with

713
00:39:36,190 --> 00:39:41,580
Terry. Like. Yeah. because there. Okay. So the

714
00:39:41,580 --> 00:39:45,780
whole train situation, we learn And. And I. And I

715
00:39:45,780 --> 00:39:48,900
was kicking myself for the past week because I was

716
00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:52,980
like, I totally didn't mention that at the end of

717
00:39:53,140 --> 00:39:57,020
episode four, when Gary's like, they took her. I

718
00:39:57,020 --> 00:39:59,380
immediately was like, okay, she's with Link.

719
00:39:59,620 --> 00:40:00,100
>> Will: Yeah.

720
00:40:00,660 --> 00:40:03,860
>> Sarah : So. So when we got all of the story and when he

721
00:40:03,860 --> 00:40:07,890
said, oh, she was taken 12 days ago, I was like,

722
00:40:07,890 --> 00:40:11,490
damn it. Yeah, I know this is connected. I know

723
00:40:11,490 --> 00:40:14,770
it's connected. And then it's revealed that the

724
00:40:14,770 --> 00:40:18,650
train people are on their way to West.

725
00:40:18,970 --> 00:40:19,530
>> Will: Yep.

726
00:40:19,530 --> 00:40:23,730
>> Sarah : Join up with a kid who's in charge named off of a

727
00:40:23,730 --> 00:40:25,130
video after a video game.

728
00:40:25,130 --> 00:40:25,650
>> Will: A video game.

729
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>> Sarah : Yep. Link. So. So we knew. So all of those pieces

730
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come together, but really, the big thing is it's

731
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unclear about the whole taking because Gary. All

732
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:47,550
we see is Gary shoot Enos. And then we don't know

733
00:40:47,550 --> 00:40:51,270
what happens. We don't know if he tells her. We

734
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:53,990
don't know. And so they're there of their own free

735
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:57,270
will, and Xavier is about to light a bomb to get

736
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them out.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. So. So they're. They. They left it in a

739
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:06,600
really, It didn't feel like a cliffhanger, but

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they did leave us with. With questions. And. And I

741
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:17,789
think, more importantly, as we continue this

742
00:41:17,789 --> 00:41:21,350
season, we're. We're at the halfway point, more or

743
00:41:21,350 --> 00:41:25,510
less, is that I want to continue spending more

744
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:26,910
time out of the bunker.

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00:41:26,910 --> 00:41:27,550
>> Will: Me too.

746
00:41:28,570 --> 00:41:33,490
>> Sarah : because the. The recent episode ish. Where we've

747
00:41:33,490 --> 00:41:36,650
spent time in the bunker, the pacing hasn't been

748
00:41:36,650 --> 00:41:40,810
as. As well done. It's. It's. Our main character

749
00:41:40,810 --> 00:41:44,570
isn't there, and I think that's the issue. We know

750
00:41:44,570 --> 00:41:47,090
our main character is on the other side of the

751
00:41:47,090 --> 00:41:50,330
country. So even at. Whether it's past or present,

752
00:41:50,330 --> 00:41:55,100
that's kind of where we want to be. Where it. In

753
00:41:55,100 --> 00:41:59,660
the bunker. It just feels like, okay, well, we'll

754
00:41:59,660 --> 00:42:01,860
get there when Xavier gets back, right?

755
00:42:01,860 --> 00:42:03,620
>> Will: Yeah, we'll get there. Third season. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

757
00:42:04,580 --> 00:42:06,460
>> Will: Third season is the conclusion. We'll get back to

758
00:42:06,460 --> 00:42:08,260
the bunker. But I think I agree with you. I mean,

759
00:42:08,260 --> 00:42:13,540
I think it. Yeah. I mean, this. This is the bridge

760
00:42:13,540 --> 00:42:18,580
season of. Of showing life, you know, outside the

761
00:42:18,580 --> 00:42:20,340
bunker. And I think that's kind of the. You know,

762
00:42:20,340 --> 00:42:21,940
I think that's kind of. I think the tease. The

763
00:42:21,940 --> 00:42:23,940
tagline for. For this season. So,

764
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>> Sarah : speaking about taglines for this season, did you

765
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notice what. I did predict this, and thank you for

766
00:42:34,060 --> 00:42:36,910
listening to me, writers. because you clearly

767
00:42:36,910 --> 00:42:39,990
edited out all mentions of time from this episode.

768
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>> Will: I noticed that. I did Notice that I was. I was

769
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:45,070
talking to. I was. Before we recorded tonight, I

770
00:42:45,070 --> 00:42:47,390
was talking to a friend and she. She's. She's also

771
00:42:47,390 --> 00:42:49,180
watching Paradise. She's only gotten up to the

772
00:42:49,490 --> 00:42:52,460
third. he's about to start episode three. And I

773
00:42:52,460 --> 00:42:55,420
was like. Yeah, I was like, you know, I was like,

774
00:42:55,660 --> 00:42:58,020
it's fair to say there's. There's some time

775
00:42:58,020 --> 00:42:59,940
elements going on because I was like. I was

776
00:42:59,940 --> 00:43:01,180
looking for the nosebleeds, and I was like,

777
00:43:01,180 --> 00:43:05,260
there's no nosebleeds this week. Yeah. Among other

778
00:43:05,260 --> 00:43:05,660
clues.

779
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>> Sarah : Well, we didn't spend that much time in the

780
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present, so.

781
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>> Will: No, but we didn't spend that much time.

782
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>> Sarah : Yeah, but I don't know if that says a lot about

783
00:43:14,420 --> 00:43:17,900
this episode or how much that word has been used

784
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within the last two episodes.

785
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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. I mean, there may have been. I think

786
00:43:22,140 --> 00:43:24,260
that. I do. I want to say there may have been a

787
00:43:24,260 --> 00:43:26,300
little. Maybe a name check or something. Not

788
00:43:26,300 --> 00:43:30,820
necessarily, you know, a reference to temporal

789
00:43:30,820 --> 00:43:34,210
things. and maybe it was, you know, I guess. I

790
00:43:34,210 --> 00:43:37,330
guess the. The link with. With link. Link being

791
00:43:37,330 --> 00:43:40,830
one of them. but, But yeah, you know, I think I

792
00:43:40,830 --> 00:43:42,870
did notice that as I was watching episode, there

793
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:45,910
was not the. The more visual cues that we've

794
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:49,850
gotten, in. In the prior. Prior. Prior four

795
00:43:49,850 --> 00:43:50,610
episodes. Really?

796
00:43:51,410 --> 00:43:51,890
>> Sarah : Yeah.

797
00:43:52,130 --> 00:43:52,610
>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : anything else about this episode?

799
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>> Will: I mean, other. You know, I don't think so. I mean,

800
00:44:01,620 --> 00:44:03,180
I think we've covered pretty much everything

801
00:44:03,180 --> 00:44:04,660
really well. I mean, I know there was the radio,

802
00:44:04,660 --> 00:44:06,980
and I know there was Enos apologizing to Terry.

803
00:44:06,980 --> 00:44:12,320
That was the other thing too. one where I. I'm

804
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,620
glad that I. I, Really. The way things were sort

805
00:44:15,620 --> 00:44:19,020
of unfolding with Gary, I really at one point was

806
00:44:19,020 --> 00:44:22,980
like, whenever Enos was having a conversation

807
00:44:22,980 --> 00:44:26,020
about it, you know, he was apologizing, but

808
00:44:26,020 --> 00:44:28,580
because my original thought was Gary was actually

809
00:44:28,580 --> 00:44:32,340
the one who. Who damaged the radio because of. He

810
00:44:32,340 --> 00:44:35,420
just didn't want this perfect little, utopia that

811
00:44:35,420 --> 00:44:38,060
he's. That he's built up in his head, like, with.

812
00:44:38,140 --> 00:44:42,340
Between him, Terry, and. And. And like, I think

813
00:44:42,340 --> 00:44:45,380
you made a good point there, you know, being.

814
00:44:45,380 --> 00:44:49,740
Being there, being their kid. so I was glad that

815
00:44:49,740 --> 00:44:54,340
they did that. That it did. Enos was the. In fact,

816
00:44:54,340 --> 00:44:57,110
the one who did damage to radio, because of just

817
00:44:57,110 --> 00:44:59,390
the threat that he. That he. That. That he. That

818
00:44:59,390 --> 00:45:02,300
he from day one, thought, opposed to. To the

819
00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:05,450
group. but also, I think it too. But also I think

820
00:45:05,450 --> 00:45:09,450
there was some elements to it. Well, I guess.

821
00:45:09,930 --> 00:45:13,140
Yeah, I think it was more to threat. and the

822
00:45:13,140 --> 00:45:15,540
reason why I thought that maybe Gary did it was to

823
00:45:15,540 --> 00:45:19,190
your point about, not wanting to, you know, have,

824
00:45:19,350 --> 00:45:22,980
have things like end, with. With the, with, with.

825
00:45:22,980 --> 00:45:25,260
With the little unit that they've, they've created

826
00:45:25,260 --> 00:45:26,980
here. Whereas, you know, Enos would be like, oh,

827
00:45:26,980 --> 00:45:29,260
yeah, this, let's get her out of here so I can get

828
00:45:29,260 --> 00:45:31,020
my family back, my friend back.

829
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>> Sarah : Right.

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>> Will: Yeah, but, but yeah, I think, Yeah, I think that,

831
00:45:34,780 --> 00:45:37,500
you know, I think that was, I think we covered. I

832
00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:39,180
think we covered most of the major points and

833
00:45:39,340 --> 00:45:41,670
would love to hear folks thoughts on, on the

834
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:42,630
episode as well.

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>> Sarah : And on that note, Will, why don't you tell our

836
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listeners where they can find you.

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>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at Will

838
00:45:51,150 --> 00:45:53,440
and Polk. W I L L M P

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>> Sarah : O L K And you can find me there too at SJ Belmont.

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