Why John WALKED AWAY From Being a Green Lantern

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>> Will: How betrayed everything to keep this ring, his

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code, the oath, even himself. And it broke him.

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Proud. He doesn't even remember why he wanted the

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damn thing.

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And neither do I.

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>> Sarah : Greetings, nerds. This is student Nerd. I'm your

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host, Sarah Belmont, and with me, as always, is

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our mystery producer, Will Will Polk Carry. Doing

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tonight, Will.

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. Looking forward to

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speaking with you tonight. About episode five of

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Lanterns. I mean, we're already past the halfway

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point now.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, past the halfway point. We are

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talking. Lantern Season 1, Episode 5 Lights Out.

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As the Macon family's history unravels, Rushville

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mobilizes in the face of the escalating threat. As

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John is placed in an impossible position. Hal risk

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everything in a final attempt to take down the

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Manhunter.

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But this episode begins with a. A new year in the

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past 2007 Rushville. And it is actually a

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flashback of Ms. Carrie Kane and how she enters

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finds herself in Rushville and meets Zoe. And it's

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just a cold, open for us to understand not only a

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little bit more about Carrie, but also just why

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the town of Rushville is. Is under Zoe's thumb.

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and, and how she acquires that loyalty and, and.

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And it. And like I said, it also gives us more

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information about the very shady backstory

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regarding the town sheriff who was on the run

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because her father did something to go against a

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crime family. I mean, she's from Gotham, so of

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course, and she's a cane. So what. What did you

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think about this, Col? I don't know. A little bit

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about what you thought on Carrie's role in this

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episode.

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>> Will: Yeah, well, with this cold open, I think it was

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we. Again, this show does a great job of using

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timelines and jumping around timelines to set

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things up for our characters in either in 2016 and

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then of course 2026. As far as the first episode,

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which we haven't gone back to since the first

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episode. But yeah, I mean, you know, with respect

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to Carrie, it was one of those things we knew she

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was from got and there are some theories spiraling

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as far as the name Kane. Is she related to the

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Bruce's cousin because of the Cain family and the

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connection there. And we still didn't get a firm

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answer to that question. But we do know that her

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father is engaged in organized crime. And I didn't

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get a chance to like, dig into some of the

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backstory of some other of Kane's and in the comic

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lore, but. But I do remember there, I think in the

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Batwoman TV show in The Arrowverse, there was some

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situations where the Daddy Kane had some issues

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with some very. Elements that were very

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problematic. So I think they. I think in this

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episode, in this show, getting back to Lanterns,

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we get some understanding of as far as that.

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And then of course we really do do get the reveal

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there that, that he is indeed the Manhunter. And,

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and then it really gets into the whole issue of

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okay, I will save you, but. And I'll help you out,

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but you got to do something for me in return. So

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it gets into this Faustian bargain that she

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establishes with. With Carrie and ah. In order to

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protect both. Both Zoe as. As well as the town.

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And I guess it was early on in the process. So we.

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Whatever her relationship with Macon is unclear at

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that point. I assume that they're married and you

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know, I guess she's treated him for cancer and all

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that as well. But yeah, you know, but again, I

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think it just did a good job of just really

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deepening the. The, the lore as far as with this,

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this show in this universe.

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>> Sarah : So with this cold open, we're led to believe that

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Carrie's loyalty comes from this moment and

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because leading up to this episode, Carrie has

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played on both sides.

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Yeah, she, she has not been outright loyal to

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Macon. This is on Macon, not Zoe. And she has also

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been helpful and, and, and very much like I will

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share only so much and, and some of the decisions,

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quote unquote decisions that she makes and plays

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for Team Hal and Team John, are actually at. With

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aligned with what Zoe wants. Like Zoe. Zoe wants

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her to guide them to Hammond and all that stuff.

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But there's a scene in this episode where Hal

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confronts Carrie. And it's interesting because

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what do you make of the line I owe her. What, what

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does she, what does Carrie owe to Zoe?

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>> Will: Yeah, so I think there are a couple things that

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she owe, that may. That she may owe her.

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>> Sarah : Well, okay, then let me rephrase the question.

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What is her reference to regarding the miracle is

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Noah? Yeah, yeah, that. That seems like the most

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logical thing to me because of the. There. There's

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a very important scene in this episode between Zoe

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and Noah. There's like the first thing. And I keep

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going back to this ironically that is said between

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Carrie and John is how's. How's your son doing?

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And which. Which is just fascinating. And, and you

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know what? We. We have a loose relationship with

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IMDb at this point, but it does say the young Noah

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Macon.

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So we will be seeing the older Noah Macon. And

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because we still don't really know now that opens

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up other pantheon. But I, I, I like that

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subtleness just because it makes more sense to.

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Why her ambivalence to the whole thing. Like she

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received a miracle that she also knows things are

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not right there, there's an uneasiness and there's

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a reason why she has this. Like she's willing to

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help Hal only so, so much that, and she, she

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clearly wants to screw him.

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>> Will: But, But I don't think you're way off there.

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>> Sarah : No, no, I, I think there's sexual tension between

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them and I, I mean, I find it hard for, to believe

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that someone of Kyle Chandler's age bracket would

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not. I find that hard to believe. Okay. Okay. So,

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but yeah, I, I really appreciate that. And, and it

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parallels what we see occur with John in this

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episode and Zoe's impact and impact interference

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savior, whatever you want to call it. But do you

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want to talk about John and what happens to him in

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this episode?

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>> Will: Yeah.

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One more point too. With the, with the Noah of it

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all before we move on to John. There was also.

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Whenever Zoe had that last moment with John with.

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Excuse me, with Noah. she also said don't forget

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everything I taught you.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, exactly. Thank you for bringing that

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up. I forgot about that. But no, that is the line

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that I wrote down. I. It's going to play into.

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Because she created him. That's our theory. That's

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our working theory.

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>> Will: Yeah. because, yeah. And the reason why I brought

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that up because whenever, just to, just to touch a

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little bit on Anton and Macon later in the, in the

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episode, whenever they had that interrogation with

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between Anton and Macon, one of the things that

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Anton noted that in order to get to someone, you

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gotta have quite this, you know, sexual relations

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with them. And then, and, but they, but Anton and

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the Manhunter couldn't conceive. So the miracle

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is. Even though I don't, you know, even though I

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think Carrie. The miracle is Noah as far as

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either, you know, having, having a grandson and

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stuff. Maybe Carrie couldn't one of her other

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issues may of those also maybe she wanted

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children, but she couldn't conceive. And, and

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maybe that was, you know, now that we know the

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Manhunter has these abilities. Like for example,

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she cloned a, a pink pinky to replace the one that

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Carrie chopped off to, you know, satisfy the goon

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for Gotham and, And of course move as we turn to

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John what the things that she did for him. So

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maybe that's the other thing that why Carrie

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feels, feels obligated. Is because one, Zoe gets

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the grandchild and then Carrie gets a wish of

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having, a child. And, well, they both have the

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shared wish of maybe having family or whatever. So

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that. That's why I just wanted to bring that up.

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>> Sarah : No, no, I. I think it's very important that moment

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to go into, like, Noah's role in the remaining

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three episodes, which will. I think we'll at some

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point see older and that'll be important. But Zoe.

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Oh, go ahead.

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>> Will: Yeah. Or the wild thing is, you know, maybe. Maybe

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Noah's another Manhunter.

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>> Sarah : But see, see, that's. That. That's why. I don't

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think that's a wild thought. I think that there is

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something to be said about if she created him. How

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much is human? How much is artificial? I mean,

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Manhunters themselves are the closest thing you're

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going to get to. To. To be able to clone. I forget

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the exact word, but you know what I'm talking

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about. It's a quote said earlier in the season. So

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it just makes you think. I mean, we'll get to John

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in a moment, but because you've brought up. So. So

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we have two different things going on, or, Of

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course, as usual, we have more than two different

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things, but just for compartmentalization's sake,

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I'm going to say we have two different things

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going on because we have this. This through line

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with John.

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And then we also have Hal's plan, which is to

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convince, as you've brought up, that. Convince

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Anton that William Macon is actually the

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Manhunter, and which the Makins and Zoe already

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know that that's what he'll do. So they have

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already figured it out. There's a scene in the

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episode where Macon calls Zoe and they say thank

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you and pretty much goodbye. You're gonna die in

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about 10 minutes. And that does happen. It's. Do

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you think that Hal really thought it would work?

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>> Will: I think he did. I mean, he's at that point where

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he's just so. You know, he always has. He always

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says, I have something. I have a filling in my

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gut. So in his gut, he thought that to work?

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>> Sarah : Yeah. I don't know. M. I mean, he did initially,

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but I don't think. I think the more it went on,

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there were a lot of lines like, well, if. If this

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happens, like, I think Carrie says it to him,

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like. Like, if this goes the other way, then all

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of the consequences will be on you. And they have

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a lot like. Like, linger on him. And then later

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there's a similar line. I Forget who says it

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where. It's kind of like a. Just reminder. This is

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all on you, because you chose the hard way. so I.

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And I feel like in those moments, that gut feeling

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was getting quieter and quieter and quieter

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because he also. Only. I don't know if he

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necessarily brought that up at the beginning when

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he was hitchhiked, talking about this plan. Like.

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And I think that was our sign that this isn't

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going to go his way. Like, because when he does

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listen to his gut, it is, as time has proven over

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the last five episodes. Like, he. He is right. But

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I don't think it was his gut. I think it was his

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mind, and I think he was trying to play chess.

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>> Will: Yeah, to your point, I think you're right. I mean,

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I think you're right.

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He. Over once the attack began and he was walking

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through the street and seeing the ramifications of

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when the Manhunter turned on the machines and

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started attacking Rushville. Yeah, you're. I

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think, to your point, I think that's when you

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realize, like, oh, I really screwed up here

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because.

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>> Sarah : And. And. And I think, like, I. It was. I screwed

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up and this wasn't the best option I could have

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played. And. And I think it goes all the way back

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to the car accident, quote, unquote, that then

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escalates to John being burned alive. Okay, that

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was a bit evil. That was. Yeah, just a bit. And.

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And so correct me if I'm wrong. So basically, how

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in the whole car accident of all, his motive was.

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He says to remove John from the board, but he

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doesn't kill him. Like, John could have survived

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that. I think Zoe basically did the. Did the let

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me burn you alive part. So.

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>> Will: Well, and I think was.

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>> Sarah : Was it bait? Was Hal leaving John there in that

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predicament just so that Zoe would intervene,

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show, or expose herself?

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>> Will: I think so. Yeah. I do think that's the case. And

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then Zoe, where she could have saved John, she's

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already again going back to Anton and just talking

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about how they use sex to take down the Alpha.

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>> Sarah : He. I'm sorry, I just have to point this out. I am

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the one not bringing up this line. Will has

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referenced it at least three times. So everyone,

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continue. Your counter. Your counter about this

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reference. People are not letting.

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>> Will: Hey, it's part of plot. Yeah, but. Yeah, but

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again, that was. That was the. Again, that was her

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way. The. Her way of like. Well, she. Yeah, she

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already had some bargaining power over John anyway

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because of just.

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>> Sarah : There was savior mode. Like. Like you. I. I know

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where you're going with it. But before we go into

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that, that conversation that they have with him on

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the operating table, I want to go back to

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something that John says where I think he's

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talking to his parents and he's giving them the

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Cliff Notes of the shitstorm day that he has. And

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along the way he mentions, I don't know if Hal

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wanted me to live or die in that moment. And I

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love that unans censored thing. And what convinces

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me even more that Hal did that whole setup for

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bait because it parallels what Jon ends up doing

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with Hal at the end of the episode. And so, again,

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these characters who, you're led to believe are

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very, very different, they have clearly learned

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from each other.

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>> Will: They're not.

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>> Sarah : They're. They're more alike. They also understand,

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have. Have grown to understand each other more

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than. Than they thought they could have. So it's.

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The decision making is, Is very much parallel

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between the two. But we'll get into that third act

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of it all. But before we do, there's a very

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important conversation that occurs between Zoe and

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John as she has made this deal to skin graft,

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regenerate skin. And I mean, part of me just

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believes it was an excuse to basically just

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continue to watch Jean Pierre in his underwear for

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like a, good five minutes. But I, I ain't mad at

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that. I'm just saying I was like. There are some

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scenes where I'm like, he's basically nude right

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now. Basically nude. Okay, it's a lot. But also

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what stuck out to me the most about this scene

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was. And just an overall thought about this

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episode and this season as a whole. I just love

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how we continue to be right. And I say that

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because way back when Laura Linnie showed up, and

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I know her character's name now is Liana, but

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that's basically Laura and Lenny combined. I was

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not wrong. But we, we made a point to discuss the

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fact, like the subtleness of the conversation at

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the time about in the third episode. Why. I mean,

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I know why they cast Laura Linnie. That's not the

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question. But we're led to believe, like the

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Guardians know nothing about Earth, and yet first

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one we meet is a white female to confront a black

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female. I'm just gonna throw that there built

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there too. So this episode, they. Again, it's a

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nice exchange about.

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And John asks her after first declaring deals off

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if you make me white. But asks her, like, why does

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she. How did she choose the way to present

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herself? Because she is not white. And, and. And

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she gives a line about the fastest way to

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understanding a civilization is to come from at, a

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disadvantage. I. Barrier of adversity. Because

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that makes you stronger, more stronger than

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comfort ever could. What did you think about this

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moment in this episode?

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>> Will: I think what you set it up perfectly. I mean, it

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really was a good bookend to what we discussed

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earlier as far as how the Guardians. And also

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something that the, that. That John's family

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presented early as well, as far as they don't

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notice us either down here or up there. And, and

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it was very interesting that a creation of the

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Guardians is the one who realized that in order to

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be able to survive in this environment, you know,

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which really speaks to something about. It just

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really gets into something about. With the

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Guardians and just. It was one. It's one of those

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things like, yeah, the Guardians as an

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institution, as a body, they see they're the

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protectors of the universe. They're the cop,

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they're the police of the universe. But over time,

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just like many institutions, they. They get so

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convinced in their own rightness and, and they get

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up, and they get oblivious or, or they, they put

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balls up or just have blind spots about the things

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around them. And so I think that's sort of what

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this show is saying about the Guardians here, is

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that, yes, they are the protectors of the universe

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and stuff, but they're unavailable. And in fact,

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they have some significant blind spots as far as

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how they treat the people that they're supposed to

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be protecting.

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>> Sarah : Well, and it's also.

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They have a full universe, okay. Galaxy, whatever.

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Like, like space is a large area. Yeah, so. So

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there's a line not in this episode, but in a

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different episode that basically suggests the, the

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fact that, there's a reason why there had never

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been a Guardian on Earth before. Like, we were. We

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were. We're considered the sewer. And part of that

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comes from the diversity. So I don't know if like,

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as a whole, they. They have this huge blind spot,

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but it's just this, this idea that the diversity

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in all of the different races and make that. That.

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That exists in humankind or mankind, they. That

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that unique quality doesn't exist on any other

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planet. Like, there. There's something. I mean,

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people in, in shows like this science fiction,

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it's always like the humanity of it all. But no,

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this one is like leaning more towards into the

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fact that there are so many different races makes.

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Makes a very unique paradigm in this civilization

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that is not found on arguably any other planet

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from what We've learned. And in terms of this

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show, so.

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And I still call bullshit because I still. That

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they know something. They. They knew something

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enough. They knew enough. The one Guardian, Liana,

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knew enough to present herself as A, in that

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moment, and then B, she chose to make herself

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white. So she had to have known, like, well, your

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options are white chocolate and like. And ah. For

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some reason she did that. I think. I think that

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they knew a little bit more than they're letting

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on. They just didn't want to be perceived as

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racist in that moment. So.

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>> Will: Yeah, that's very. Well, that's very. Yeah, well,

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yeah, I mean, I think. Yeah, I mean, I think

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that's part of what the show is trying to say too,

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which is. Yeah, so, yeah, I mean, I think it. You

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know, again, I really like the way they framed

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this. This whole moment between. Well, going back

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to really with Jon and Zoe in the. In the cafe

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when they were just having that initial

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conversation about, how's your way go? We get the

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episode three, of it all and the multiple moments

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twice in an episode where, you know that line

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about the Guardians and their, you know, well, the

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Guardians. And also just first time when they

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passed John's father for the lantern. And then

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again, I think his mother raised pushes that point

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too. So. So, yeah, I mean, I think that's. I know

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a lot of people sometimes will, you know, some

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viewers quibble about that as being all woke and

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stuff, but, I mean, it actually is not. It's

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actually a very good point of storytelling there

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that they're. That they're, you know, that they're

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highlighting about humanity's role in the universe

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here, within this universe in particular, and even

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just everyday life here.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. And. And I like. I think it works

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because the conversation also goes into the ab and

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swear of it all.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And more importantly, the distrust with the

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Guardians, because she knows he. He has yet to say

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anything to the Guardians, so clearly he doesn't

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trust them. And he admits that when confronted

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with it. And. And we've known that. That there's

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been a kernel of distress, especially since they

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said, Liana specifically said, no, no, you're

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gonna just take the ring. He's never gonna give it

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to you, so you have to take it. And. And it's very

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interesting because you would think for someone

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who, quote, unquote, apparently has been watching

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this kid go through all these years of training

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and everything, to know that that would be

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somewhat against his moral code because. And he

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even says, like, it was because they won't told me

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to take it. Like he. That rubbed him the wrong

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way. And that leads to him doing what he's told

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the Order. And, and he does take it and he gives

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it right back because he. It doesn't feel right.

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Like this is the first time. Well, arguably when

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he's received what he's wanted and. But. But he

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didn't. I think why it doesn't work for John is

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because by taking it, it doesn't feel.

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>> Will: I don't know. Yeah. And we've talked. I mean,

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we've. We've. We have touched on that, throughout

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the. The earning of the. Earning the ring. One,

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two. It gets into the programming part of the

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thing is to be like. Zoe was programmed to react

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and respond a certain way because that's what the

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Guardians programmed her to do. So that was one of

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the things that Anton, for example, knew. That's

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why Mason was not. Was not really the Manhunter,

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because they don't. They don't invite death. And

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then. And then this and in the other actions that

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she did, how he has his own version of

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programming. As far as just what we were just

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discussing earlier as far as superhero thing, his.

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His wired ideation was, I'm gonna set all these

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things up when he was talking to Carrie because

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this. Here's the plan, what I'm gonna do, because

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this. I'm a superhero. So that's my. That's my

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program. John, from the moment that his mom made

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the deal with Liana and they were. They literally

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programmed him to train him up to be a Green

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Lantern. And to the point where when I was

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watching that whole sequence go down there with

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John and Leanna, I was like, is this was the

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moment John. His agency came through and he made a

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choice. And. And I think to me that was where

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Sinestro was going as far as why John was so

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dangerous because he. With. Despite all the

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things, all the training, he's, you know, is what

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we talked about before, like how he and Hal are

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very similar. John, it. Even with the whole thing

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as far as how Hal thinking, well, he's just going

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to follow orders. He's just going to. Well,

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music's gonna, That's how he's been programmed to

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do so the fact that Sinestro saw John had that.

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That has still had that glimmer of like his own

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self and. And moral code. Like you were saying,

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that this doesn't feel right because I didn't earn

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it. It was, I won't say handed to me. And it's

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handed to me. But it was. It wasn't something that

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I. It wasn't because of my own blood, sweat and

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tears or whatever that I got this. Basically, the

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situation was such that me that Hal and John got

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into a fight.

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>> Sarah : He. He. He beat him to the pulp.

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>> Will: He beat. Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : But then, can I just add in here, like, so you

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brought.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I don't agree with you about Hal to an extent. I

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don't think it's a superhero thing, programming.

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You're forgetting that Sinestro told him what to

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do about John and that's the plan that he tries to

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enact in this episode. It was Sinestro's plan. So.

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00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:17,670
So it's interesting. Like, he tries to do that

490
00:26:17,670 --> 00:26:22,070
just like John tries to do what the Guardians want

491
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:25,470
him to do. And neither plan works out because

492
00:26:25,470 --> 00:26:29,309
that's not them. It's ironic. And to go back to

493
00:26:29,309 --> 00:26:34,790
the Liana of it all, it's like that distrust there

494
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:39,030
in this episode, Zoe is trying to use so many

495
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:42,310
things. Like they. They've had sex a few times.

496
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:47,110
Will has mentioned it three times. So they. She

497
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:50,550
has played that card. Now she is being savior mode

498
00:26:50,550 --> 00:26:55,190
and saving him. There she is reconfirming like, I

499
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:56,070
am your people.

500
00:26:56,470 --> 00:27:00,830
Like, we are similar. You see me, I see you. Like,

501
00:27:00,830 --> 00:27:04,030
there's a connection there. She re. That. And then

502
00:27:04,030 --> 00:27:07,190
she brings up the Guardians and the fact that they

503
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:11,880
made me. And so she's thinking that all of this is

504
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,800
gonna allow her to win, but he still chooses to

505
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:22,120
kill her. Like, and, And, And I. That goes back to

506
00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:26,560
also the conversation Hal and John have about,

507
00:27:26,510 --> 00:27:30,230
killing people. Like, there's a reason why Hal

508
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:34,670
didn't. When he could have really removed Jon from

509
00:27:34,670 --> 00:27:38,430
the board. He didn't. He. He just kind of put him

510
00:27:38,430 --> 00:27:43,520
on ice and then. And, let what happened happens.

511
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,920
And the same thing. In that moment, he takes. He

512
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,720
could easily. I think John, I don't know. Both of

513
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,759
you basically did cause some real pain. So you

514
00:27:54,759 --> 00:27:58,080
could have led a little bit gentler, but. Dear

515
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,520
Lord. But he doesn't kill Hal. He just takes the

516
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,320
ring, goes about his way, and then uses him as

517
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,520
bait. So that. Because that's what Zoe wants him

518
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,640
to do. Again, these people who have been telling,

519
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,640
whether it be Hal or Jon, what to do to get what

520
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,240
they. They play into it. And then Jon, more so

521
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,520
than Hal, swerve and just. And be like, you know

522
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,680
what? I'm gonna. I'm gonna do it my way and then

523
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,620
I'm gonna get what I want. And then I'm Gonna

524
00:28:32,620 --> 00:28:35,420
return it because I didn't. I got it the way I

525
00:28:35,420 --> 00:28:38,540
didn't want to get it. And this. This doesn't feel

526
00:28:38,540 --> 00:28:41,420
right. And. And. Sorry, my last point about that

527
00:28:41,420 --> 00:28:45,220
whole thing is I just want a reminder. John was

528
00:28:45,220 --> 00:28:47,780
the one to experience the.

529
00:28:48,100 --> 00:28:51,980
What Zoe actually did that caused this whole

530
00:28:51,980 --> 00:28:55,100
situation to occur. Like that genocide that

531
00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:57,140
occurred on that anatomic planet.

532
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:57,790
>> Will: That's right.

533
00:28:57,790 --> 00:29:01,030
>> Sarah : This is the one who still like that. I don't think

534
00:29:01,110 --> 00:29:02,470
Zoe factored in.

535
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:05,640
>> Will: Yeah, she didn't. Yeah, she probably, Yeah. Yeah,

536
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,440
that's a very good point. I'm glad you brought

537
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,640
that. Brought that up about the genocide, because

538
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,240
that's. Again, that. That X factor that she didn't

539
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,400
account for. And even. And then also. Even the.

540
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,480
Again, both of them having the plan, like when I

541
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,760
was lying there and basically used. Was used as

542
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,590
bait so that John could take, you know, take out.

543
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:29,550
Take Zoe out. And then also. And I think too Hal

544
00:29:29,550 --> 00:29:31,790
had. He had a. Both John and Hal have had

545
00:29:31,790 --> 00:29:33,750
opportunities to kill one another.

546
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:35,950
>> Sarah : Yeah. Oh, yeah, they have.

547
00:29:35,950 --> 00:29:36,830
>> Will: Yeah, they have.

548
00:29:36,830 --> 00:29:37,470
>> Sarah : Or. Or.

549
00:29:37,470 --> 00:29:39,910
>> Will: Or do something to like, not like. Because even

550
00:29:39,910 --> 00:29:43,030
that moment when. When. When the Manhunters attack

551
00:29:43,270 --> 00:29:45,830
on the motel, with the last little bit of energy

552
00:29:45,910 --> 00:29:49,230
that they had in that ring, Hal enveloped both of

553
00:29:49,230 --> 00:29:51,550
them. Even though Hal was just like, in the

554
00:29:51,550 --> 00:29:53,680
moment, you know, you're not going to take this

555
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,070
goddamn ring from me. But,

556
00:29:55,020 --> 00:29:56,630
>> Sarah : But he's not going to kill John.

557
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:57,910
>> Will: He's not going to kill John.

558
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:59,670
>> Sarah : He can't kill an innocent life.

559
00:29:59,990 --> 00:30:02,350
>> Will: Yeah, they're. Both of them are like, have their.

560
00:30:02,350 --> 00:30:02,670
Their.

561
00:30:02,670 --> 00:30:04,990
Their issues and stuff, but at the core, they're

562
00:30:04,990 --> 00:30:07,430
just both honorable men, you know, how's. Kind of

563
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:09,470
lost his way a bit and gotten a little jaded over

564
00:30:09,470 --> 00:30:13,910
time. John. John is now sort of had this epiphany.

565
00:30:13,910 --> 00:30:17,080
Like, I, you know, I, This just doesn't feel right

566
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,980
because, yeah, I got the ring, but how did I get

567
00:30:19,980 --> 00:30:22,100
it? You know, take it from basically a defenseless

568
00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:23,220
man at this point.

569
00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:27,700
>> Sarah : And also, I want to bring up a line, he says to

570
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:30,700
Lyanna, like, what's in the bag? Your sins and

571
00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:34,980
consequences teams the genocide not only on Zoe,

572
00:30:35,140 --> 00:30:39,940
but on Zoe's creator and as he should. So. So I

573
00:30:39,940 --> 00:30:44,940
think that's why they. They had another reason why

574
00:30:44,940 --> 00:30:48,300
they had the. The conversation about the fact that

575
00:30:48,460 --> 00:30:52,300
Zoe was. The Manhunters were created by the

576
00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:55,340
Guardians. Because again, knowing what he knows

577
00:30:55,340 --> 00:30:58,780
about the Manhunter knowing who created them and

578
00:30:58,780 --> 00:31:02,900
who then are now, like everything the Manhunters

579
00:31:02,900 --> 00:31:06,660
do then goes back to the sins of the creator, the

580
00:31:06,660 --> 00:31:07,740
sins of the parents.

581
00:31:08,380 --> 00:31:08,780
>> Will: So.

582
00:31:08,940 --> 00:31:13,620
>> Sarah : So it's. I think, also on why. Another reason for

583
00:31:13,620 --> 00:31:15,820
him to return the ring is like, I don't want to

584
00:31:15,820 --> 00:31:18,630
work for you. I've. I've realized what working for

585
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:21,560
you does to people. I'm going to go a different

586
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,440
way. I don't. I don't know. You know, now that

587
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,560
I've done the job, things will get.

588
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,200
>> Will: Pick. Pick other objects.

589
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,760
>> Sarah : Yeah. I think I'm going to go and do some art

590
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,000
stuff and some architecture, you know, build some

591
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,080
buildings instead of tearing it down. I don't

592
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,790
know. But I mean, I know a lot of people are

593
00:31:41,790 --> 00:31:44,350
saying, like, this is episode five, and that felt

594
00:31:44,350 --> 00:31:47,630
like the finale. I don't think so. And here's why.

595
00:31:47,630 --> 00:31:53,750
Because this. Because episode one sets up a few

596
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:55,950
different things. And like you brought in this

597
00:31:55,950 --> 00:32:01,309
discussion. We have yet to return to 2026. So. So

598
00:32:01,309 --> 00:32:03,990
we. And we know Guy is just chilling in the

599
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:08,550
shadows right now. So we. They have given us a

600
00:32:08,550 --> 00:32:13,950
story, but they. They also very carefully open

601
00:32:14,030 --> 00:32:17,610
doors that leave doors open. And as we discussed

602
00:32:17,610 --> 00:32:19,370
in previous weeks, like, this is called the

603
00:32:19,370 --> 00:32:22,250
Lanterns. It's not about a single lantern. Okay.

604
00:32:22,810 --> 00:32:27,010
Is. So we got a few different paths we're walking

605
00:32:27,010 --> 00:32:30,650
on. And for Hal, all roads lead to Rushville

606
00:32:30,810 --> 00:32:34,770
because he. He ends up in Rushville, dead. So now

607
00:32:34,770 --> 00:32:37,810
does he stay there after the events of 2016? We

608
00:32:37,810 --> 00:32:41,570
don't know. But I. I just. I think that they did a

609
00:32:41,570 --> 00:32:44,410
very good job in that pilot episode of setting a

610
00:32:44,890 --> 00:32:48,490
past, present, future. Yeah, we have. We took that

611
00:32:48,490 --> 00:32:52,130
one episode in episode three to explore the past.

612
00:32:52,130 --> 00:32:56,330
We've taken predominantly the rest of the episodes

613
00:32:56,330 --> 00:32:59,370
to explore the present. The future is a coming.

614
00:32:59,370 --> 00:33:01,140
>> Will: Yep. I wonder if we'll get any more of the Sentry

615
00:33:01,140 --> 00:33:03,020
Century Howl, because that was the other thing,

616
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:07,470
that came up briefly in this episode. And so. And

617
00:33:07,470 --> 00:33:10,230
of course, we did see John have some interaction

618
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:12,470
with the Sentry. So I wonder if we'll get some of

619
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:17,820
that with Guy and Century How. I guess hologram,

620
00:33:17,820 --> 00:33:20,510
you know, with, in. In 2026, whenever he gets to

621
00:33:20,510 --> 00:33:22,870
ring. So. Yeah, I mean, it's just. Yeah, you're

622
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:24,750
right. I mean, I think, you know, we got three

623
00:33:24,750 --> 00:33:26,670
episodes left. I didn't feel like it was the

624
00:33:26,670 --> 00:33:28,990
finale either. I mean, it definitely. But it was

625
00:33:28,990 --> 00:33:31,149
a. I felt like it was the end of a chapter. Yeah,

626
00:33:31,149 --> 00:33:33,480
but. But as far as the, end, I didn't feel like.

627
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,480
Or ended of the season. No, I didn't feel that way

628
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,640
either. It just felt like. Okay, we're closing the

629
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,880
chapter on 2016, and now we're going to get into

630
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,240
2026 and just, you know, pick up, I guess. And I'm

631
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,200
sure in between that time, we'll probably get

632
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,720
maybe some intervening, you know, some, some

633
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:54,280
history between 2016 and 2026, as well as some

634
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,200
kind of flashback to sort of contextualize how Hal

635
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,080
ended up back in Rushville and on the, in, in, in

636
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,240
the football stadium. As you brought up earlier in

637
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,200
our discussions during this series, there's

638
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,320
something special about that football stadium and.

639
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,439
>> Sarah : Oh, I, I, I thought I brought it up because Kyle

640
00:34:10,439 --> 00:34:12,039
Chandler, Friday Night Lights.

641
00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:14,039
>> Will: Well, there's Friday, there's that piece, but he

642
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:15,879
also, there's definitely the Friday Night Lights

643
00:34:15,879 --> 00:34:18,919
of it all, but, but also just sort of, it's sort

644
00:34:18,919 --> 00:34:21,279
of that focal point because that was what, you

645
00:34:21,279 --> 00:34:23,359
know, whenever John and Hal had their, sort of

646
00:34:23,359 --> 00:34:25,919
first got into town and the Manhunters were there

647
00:34:25,919 --> 00:34:28,290
with all the massacre and stuff. So with the mass,

648
00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:30,489
shooting there during the game and just

649
00:34:30,489 --> 00:34:33,649
recognizing all the things that were going on, how

650
00:34:33,649 --> 00:34:36,130
there was no emotion considering, you know, the

651
00:34:36,130 --> 00:34:37,690
event that happened there. So.

652
00:34:37,690 --> 00:34:41,610
>> Sarah : Well, I also, I mean, also, there's a lot to be

653
00:34:41,610 --> 00:34:45,570
filled in about John. He is like, I know I just

654
00:34:45,570 --> 00:34:47,770
two minutes ago said the show is called Lanterns

655
00:34:47,770 --> 00:34:49,730
and Son about a single person, but John has

656
00:34:49,730 --> 00:34:52,770
predominantly. We got a full flashback episode of

657
00:34:52,770 --> 00:34:57,850
John, so, so it's also the 10 years. Okay, so he

658
00:34:57,850 --> 00:35:01,450
rejected the ring. He's. Carrie first calls him

659
00:35:01,770 --> 00:35:05,720
the. Between these three characters, Carrie, John,

660
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,440
and the ten years that occur between present and

661
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,760
future, there. There is a lot still to mind, and I

662
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,120
don't think we're going to get it in three

663
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,920
episodes. I think they're going to like, they want

664
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:22,240
this show to go on another season or more so. So I

665
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:26,760
think that they have definitely opened this world

666
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,120
to tell multiple stories. And we got the end of a

667
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:31,560
chapter.

668
00:35:32,340 --> 00:35:34,900
And in these next three episodes, we're gonna get

669
00:35:35,060 --> 00:35:38,100
probably an end of another chapter, but also the

670
00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:42,940
start of a bunch too. So, I mean, the writers know

671
00:35:42,940 --> 00:35:45,940
how to write on this show, and Linda Loft, we

672
00:35:45,940 --> 00:35:48,940
know, knows what he's doing, and they're just very

673
00:35:48,940 --> 00:35:51,580
consistent right now, which I appreciate. And like

674
00:35:51,580 --> 00:35:53,380
I said before, I appreciate being right.

675
00:35:53,620 --> 00:35:54,340
>> Will: Yes, you are.

676
00:35:54,820 --> 00:35:59,060
>> Sarah : You are too. Will you lead? You guide me follow?

677
00:35:59,060 --> 00:36:00,660
And sometimes I'm like, I'm gonna.

678
00:36:00,660 --> 00:36:04,360
>> Will: No, no. I did make a note, though, to con. You

679
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,880
were right, I was wrong about the, the man. At

680
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,880
least the Manhunter and the Benefactor being two

681
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,560
different people. We, we definitely learned this

682
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,760
week that the Benefactor was indeed the man. They

683
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:14,920
were one in the same you.

684
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,330
>> Sarah : I'm, I appreciate it. And I will try not to say I

685
00:36:18,330 --> 00:36:20,130
still don't understand how you thought they were

686
00:36:20,130 --> 00:36:22,650
different people, but just didn't.

687
00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:24,850
>> Will: It was. It was. It was a very effective head fake.

688
00:36:24,850 --> 00:36:25,570
I will just say that.

689
00:36:25,570 --> 00:36:28,610
>> Sarah : Okay, well, I know you've gone through a lot, so

690
00:36:28,610 --> 00:36:31,390
I'm just going to leave it there. Do you think it

691
00:36:31,390 --> 00:36:31,630
was,

692
00:36:31,890 --> 00:36:33,340
>> Will: You know, it's one of those things you get, you

693
00:36:33,340 --> 00:36:35,540
know, you get. You know, it's like the fan

694
00:36:35,540 --> 00:36:35,940
theories.

695
00:36:35,940 --> 00:36:38,620
You know, everybody gets so wrapped up in their

696
00:36:38,620 --> 00:36:40,620
little fan theories that, like, oh, maybe there's

697
00:36:40,620 --> 00:36:41,620
more, you know, but.

698
00:36:41,860 --> 00:36:44,500
>> Sarah : Right. You get stubborn about it and.

699
00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:47,420
>> Will: Yeah, and I totally did. I freely admit that I

700
00:36:47,420 --> 00:36:47,660
did.

701
00:36:47,660 --> 00:36:50,420
>> Sarah : Fan theories. Certain people having romantic

702
00:36:50,420 --> 00:36:53,060
relationships, you know, I can relate to that.

703
00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:55,920
Sorry, it's like, what? All right, well, I think

704
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,600
that is it for us tonight. Will, why don't you

705
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,320
tell our listeners where they can find you.

706
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,390
>> Will: Yes, you can find me on the all the socials at,

707
00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:04,840
Will and Polk. W, I L, L M B O

708
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,960
>> Sarah : L. You can find me there, too, at S.J. belmont. S

709
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711
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713
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714
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715
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716
00:37:25,790 --> 00:37:47,000
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