Lanterns Ep. 4: Who Do You Trust in Rushville?

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>> Sarah : Is that how you fooled me?

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>> Will: I m was never anything but myself. My ambition was

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always a threat. You simply chose not to see it.

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Do not make the same mistake with Jon Stewart.

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>> Sarah : Greetings, nerds. This is Scenic Nerd. I'm your

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host, Sarah Belmont, and with me, as always, is

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our Mr. Producer, will Will Polk How are you Doing

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tonight. Will.

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>> Will: Doing very well tonight, Sarah. How are you doing

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this evening? Happy Labor Day.

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>> Sarah : Has the year gone by fast for you or slow?

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>> Will: I, I had this question presented to me the other

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day, and I think it all depends on a matter of

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perspective. And overall it, it seems like the

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year has, it, A lot has happened and that's how I

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just answer it.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Will: I don't know if it's fast or slow. things have

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happened and. Yeah, so, that's my answer to that

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question.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. It's interesting because not as many things

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have happened for me as you in comparison, but yet

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I still feel as though I think it's been

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moderately paced, hasn't been fast, it hasn't

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necessarily drove on. I mean, some of the days

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have, but not really. I just, I feel like it's

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just in its natural cycle. So I, I, I agree that

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it's 2026 is this weird year where it's, it's not

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anything as previous years where just like, why,

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why are we not done yet? Like, come on. And then.

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But, or other years where you're just like, okay,

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so can we hold up? Because it's already Labor Day

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and I just finished taking down my tree.

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>> Will: Exactly one thing. M. Yeah. Even though a lot has

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happened, I will say, the content this year has

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been great. And I know, I know we're going to talk

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lanterns tonight, so. Yeah, so that has, that has

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been good. And I will say with the content wise

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that does, it has seemed to, like, fly by with

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things that I've really enjoyed a little more.

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>> Sarah : Well, I mean, everybody is abuzz about the box

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office numbers right now. So, yeah, like, it's,

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it's in insane. And I mean it just, if you make

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good movies, the people will come, you know, like,

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I don't know why that's such a foreign concept.

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You can grow as much money as you want at, shit

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movies. And yeah, people will bring up some shit

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movies that have made a bunch of money. Like, like

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you don't get the buzz that you're getting right

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now. That talk is more about why even what's

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considered a bad movie can sometimes still gross

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exceptionally based on budget and everything. And

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I mean, we did have sort of a sad week with some

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cancellations of things. That is what it is. And

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you know. Yeah, I don't want to get into that

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whole thing, but it's like, well, at least we got

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one season. You know, we got the one season, so

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all we needed and we'll never know what would

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happen if it got extended. granted these days

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everything's getting remade like 20 years later,

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so.

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>> Will: Exactly.

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>> Sarah : Like 20 years later.

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>> Will: Exactly. But yeah, Spider noir. You know, we got

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the one season and it was, it was, was a really

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enjoyable season and got some Emmy love last night

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with creative arts Emmys. And we were just talking

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box office or Spider Man. I think it's been what,

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like eight weeks, six or eight weeks or some

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crazy. Like every week it's been like number one

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to your point. You make a good movie, people,

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people will come out.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, a good, good IP movie.

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>> Will: Yeah, for sure.

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>> Sarah : And then Wonder man also, same thing. God the ax.

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Which, which when we. It was announced that it was

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renewed, I remember being like, I don't think that

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that's going to stick.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. And again, it was. And he also got

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some creative arts and he's loved too, if I

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recall, so. And also, yay, I got a nomination for

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best actor. Yeah. So I mean, it's been a great

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year for content and we have overall, as far,

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especially on the TV side, I mean, I know there's

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been the movies with Supergirl a little

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disappointment, Mandalorian a little disappointed,

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but. But as far as TVs, at least the things that

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we've watched so far, we have overall really enjoy

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things.

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>> Sarah : So that brings us to Lantern season one, episode

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four. We're at the halfway part. This episode is

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called of course, the weenie. With the 48 hour

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deadline about to expire, John develops a new

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theory about the whereabouts of a cosmic hunter.

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Leads him and Hal to present the their next plan

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to Sheriff Kane. Meanwhile, Hal's visit to

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Sinestro has consequences. Okay, IMDb m people.

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Okay, what is with this cosmic hunter? It's only

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mentioned in the show 40 times. It's called the

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Manhunter. What, what, what are we doing here,

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guys? Watching the content? Are we got a copyright

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issue?

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>> Will: I don't get it, but it's like the trust issues

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that were going full throttle in this episode. I

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feel that way sometimes with I am IMDb. Is it

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like, is it like Sinestro trying to, you know, get

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into Hal's head with these IMDb ratings? I don't

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know. But anyway.

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>> Sarah : Well, I mean, since you brought it up looks and it

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kicks off the episode. What did you think about

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the, the now witnessing the Sinestro and Hal

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conversation?

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>> Will: Yeah. So the Sinestro and Hal conversation really,

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like I said, it really gets into some of the trust

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issues that we, we really get into their, their

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relationship because again we know that Hal and

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Sinestro and, and, and, and even before that

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Mansur was who, who, who, who was all at Earth

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when he was killed and Hal got that ring. There's

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that lineage there. But whenever we got to tease

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the Sinestro a few episodes back, Sinestro was,

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was Hal's mentor. He was like the most the most

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dangerous thing is Jon Stewart. And we get a

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little bit more into that as far as Hal's

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relationship with John. And also Hal on the other

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hand was also like how did you know about, about

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the trainee? And how did you get this information?

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And, and you know, so they were both playing this

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cat just this game here. And one of the things

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that Sinestro really was, was wanting to what is

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this guy's purpose is to be your replacement? One,

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but two, you know, not to be. Don't. Yeah, he's a

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danger but maybe the way to deal with him is like

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kind of how you dealt with me which is not kill me

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but disgrace him and to show the Guardians that he

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is. That he is. He's not worthy of carrying the

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mantle. And it also another thing about John is he

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does to follow orders and so also use that against

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him as well.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I thought that was a very interesting point.

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Is that ah, the same reason why the Guardians

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selected John is the very reason why how Sinestro

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views it as a point of manipulation. It's like to

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the Guardians that's a great strength and, but

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it's a great strength whoever's giving the orders

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with someone like that. So. But, but unknowingly

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by placing him under the mentorship of how he's

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gonna learn how not to just follow orders. He's

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also gonna learn how to listen to his gut which

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goes into a whole other thing.

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The other fascinating line that, that just ends

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this conversation is my admission was always a

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threat. You simply did not. And so do not make the

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same mistake with Jon Stewart. So was. Was

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Sinestro involved with the birds? That's all I

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wanted because was Sinestro involved with the

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birds? Remember the conversation birds and the

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Guardians. Okay. Because it is quite based on last

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week's episode. The Guardians have all have known

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about Jon Stewart longer than 2020 16. So this

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isn't some guy who comes. So Sinestro could have

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been, definitely does have intel. But it also

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seems like he knows that not only does John take

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orders and was programmed that way with his

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parents, but also John is very ambitious because

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his parents from the time he turned five was like,

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you're one day going to become arguably one of the

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most powerful beings on the planet. You're going

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to be a superhero. That is your destiny. And so

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their ambition for their son has crept into his

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own ambition. And I thought. I thought it was a

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really good, way to start this episode already

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talking about someone who we just learned all of

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this information about. So a lot of what they were

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talking about and their observations about who

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John is. I think that's why it stood out so well.

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And then to then later parallel it with John's

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version of this because then you have Laura

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Linney, who I'm gonna live and die. That's this

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character's name. Okay. We're gonna call her Laura

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Linney.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So. So, so, she comes back and to get intel as to

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what the heck is John and Hal still doing in

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Rushville. What is really going on. And also

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there's. It's just this. This great scene of. It's

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funny because Laura Linney is not necessarily

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John's mentor. She has. I would argue she has a

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closer relationship with John's mom. And that's

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why when. When she feels as though she starts to

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see the fractures in the trust between him and the

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Guardians or between him actually starting to

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understand and empathize for. For Hal, she's like,

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oh, no, no, no. Let me play all of these cards

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about how you possess the same weakness as your

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father. And this is just gonna. Your mom was

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wrong. Like, dagger, dagger, twist. And it's funny

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because in that moment, he does go from. I mean,

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John just does a great job moving between those

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emotions of. You do see him as. He. He does have

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some. He has gained some understanding of Hal and.

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And doesn't. This whole situation is starting not

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to feel right with him and him and the Guardians.

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But then the manipulation occurs. But then he.

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He's still. He's no dummy. So he recognizes the

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manipulation too. So.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, I thought that was a very interesting,

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like, moment there with. With her and the

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manipulation as far as like, you know, call it.

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Because, I mean, in a lot of ways too, with what

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John and the whole issue of like, people saying

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that he follows orders. He. And the converse, you

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know, the conversation that they were having there

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about how. How things. John lacks Creativity and

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you know, to push all the buttons and, and you

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know, but. And then of course, John's response is,

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but, you know, I will do this.

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>> Sarah : And you know, I will take it,

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>> Will: because I will take it.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, he's not worthy of it.

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>> Will: He's not worthy of it. So it gets back to this,

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that underlying, you know, there's a through line

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that they have really had throughout this series

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of this, the John questioning how's worthiness

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and, and also the, the privilege of it all, which

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especially when you look at backstory, even the

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colors, not even, of course obviously from the.

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There's always obviously the racial dynamics of

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it, also just the character issues as well. So.

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Yeah, so. So I love the way they're structuring

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the series because it really, each, each episode

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really does like, build on itself. And, and so

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even though last week's episode was phenomenal,

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the reason why it goes up, even more in my

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estimation is because of what they followed up

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with, with this episode and this conversation and

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that Laura Linney's character was not just a one

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off, that this guardian is going to be here. It's

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going to be present for, for a much longer period

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of time. And it also, and it also opens the door

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now, especially given what we've, what we have

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seen in this episode. When Hal handed the ring

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over to John, we're going to explore the weenie

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and he didn't take the oath. Now I'm like, okay,

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now I see how Gal Gardner is going to fit into

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this thing.

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>> Sarah : But before we get to that part, I want to go back

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to what you were just talking about in terms of

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this conversation and Jon and his parents

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relationship because. Or his relationship with

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Hal, because in both conversations, whether it's

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Hal and Sinestra, Sinestro or John and Laura

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Linney, they, they both say what we've heard them

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comment about each other for the past three

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episodes. And, and they just reaffirm like, this

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has not changed. But what was interesting to me,

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especially given that John says again, like, he

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did nothing to earn this. Not worthy of it. Like,

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emphasis on earn is when they're walking in the

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underground tunnel that John creates. He. And

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then, how's your mama doing? And he's like, my

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mom's dead. She died of cancer. What took me back

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was how John had no idea, which, Which I thought

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was very fascinating because I would think some. I

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would think that John's parents had done. Had

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basically been stalking Hal and also just there

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was an obsession there with Hal. But, but that

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proves that that wasn't the case. That they

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basically view him for one action and one action

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only. And just any interview like there was the

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opening interview of this entire series that

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little boy John did witness, but that was just

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about the father for me. I don't know what

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happened, but my interpretation of that interview.

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I actually thought he was talking about both his

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parents thought he was already an orphan. But so.

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But I don't think that's the case now. I think

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that did happen at a separate time. But there was

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just also to backtrack a little bit because you

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did bring up the fact that even in this episode

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when John could have. He doesn't. And I'm not

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saying it's simply because he found out that like

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Hal is an orphan, but it's. It's also that the

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more that they truly are the only people who will

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ever understand each other. You know what I'm

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saying? So. So. And. And you know, even though he

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says it at the end to kind of finish the

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conversation with Laura Linney, you know that the

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doubt has already been planted of like something

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is off about this because suddenly I don't. This

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is an interesting point. I wonder if he's

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reluctant now because by taking it. I wonder if

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it. He feels like it diminishes the whole point.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Of earning it.

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>> Will: Yes.

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>> Sarah : I

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>> Will: Was when I was watching an episode last night and

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whenever they had that that, that I thought that

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same thing. And Especially again using the context

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of what we saw last week as far as not handed.

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Having it handed to one. As far as like with.

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With. With Hal and John. The whole earned of it

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all. But I, I had a thought to you like with. With

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John like season it taking it. It almost part of

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me was like I think he wants to. To your point. I

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think the longer they spend time with one another

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and the more to become more the partnership is

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really evolving in here. I think even Hal is

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starting to like we see in this episode moments

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where it seems like Hal really is starting to see

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John as a partner and, and maybe not as a full

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replacement, but he, but he is in Hal's own way

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growing fond of him. So and, but so on the one

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hand when he handed him the ring, it was like is.

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Is he handing him the R test Sinestro's theory as

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far. Or is he doing it because he truly is seeing

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John as, as. As a partner and as a mentor to see

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how you know, what this kid had. What this kid.

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What did this kid have as far as you Know,

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possibly being a replacement for me because, you

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know, I can't do this forever.

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>> Sarah : It also. So the other, angle to look at this is,

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is the fact that John is on this very important

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mission right now and he's. He's a soldier. So,

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like, the mission comes first. So despite ring or

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no ring, he's the one who they. They showed the

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genocide that occurred and he. So he has that also

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weighing on because he was not open to Laura

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Linney about, like, this is why we're still in

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Rushville. This is what's going on. Like, again,

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that has nothing, arguably nothing to do with

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that. Kind of like, no, I don't trust you because

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I know what this Manhunter did. And I also don't

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want to complicate it because I kind of slept with

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Manhunter, but we will get there.

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>> Will: I don't think he knew at that point.

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>> Sarah : I, you know, I, I want to be surprised if he did.

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I. So, So I think that there's also like, at the

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end of the day, he's kind of setting the ring

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aside and just like, I just want to make sure

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Rushville survives and I want to make sure, like,

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the actual culprit gets there, gets punished here

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because of what happened. Like, he. He's walking a

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very fine line.

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But you also raise the other part of this because

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the beauty of this episode is again, we have two

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leads. Susan. A Jon Stewart show. This isn't a Hal

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Jordan show. This is the them together. It's

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Lantern. Okay, so guy will come. But like, it is

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about both of them. And so that's what really

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stuck out to me in this episode is the seesaw

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between them too. They. They both have very.

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They're both playing this game of chess or

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chicken, and they. For different reasons and they

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have different things. And you can read into how's

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actions who are both testing the waters to figure

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out what is the right course of action, while

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simultaneously both on the same objective of

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getting into the weenie and finding the Manhunter

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or the Benefactor and figuring all that. I really

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liked the. Well, the, The. The slaughterhouse

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sequence. It was just so. And I just like the. The

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look between that se and just John going into the

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market to get a scope, not a gun. But like, like

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this town and the weirdness of this town is

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wearing down these two characters. I mean, you

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have John making jokes and you have Hal just like

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getting the punchline beat into. By. By John Sodi.

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Like they're losing their personalities in this

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weird ass town. But, it was also just A good game

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of chicken there with this. Who turned out to be a

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decoy because how. How suspects something's wrong.

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Now, granted, it wasn't. His parents are already

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dead, so it wasn't his parents at risk there. but

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he. He wagered. And, It just continues to go back.

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This thing. Gut is never wrong.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Whenever. Yeah, I mean, it was, you

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know, deep call with Hector Hammond, who was a big

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adv in the Green Lantern comic books and even

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folks who probably remember who, if you did have

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the misfortune of watching the Ryan Reynolds film,

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he was also in there, played by Peter Skarsgard.

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But. Yeah, but Hector, you know, with that whole

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scene with. With, you know, going with his gut and

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realizing something was off there at that. At that

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slaughterhouse and, and. And using two things that

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really amazed me with that scene, using John's

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parents as. As bait, basically, to see like, you

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know, what was this. Truly the Manhunter. And I

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loved how you, like, talked about, like, let's,

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you know, I can just rip your heart out and see if

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it turns, you know, crystallizes, you know, and

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again reminded us these. That. That these

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Manhunters are machines. You know, it's saying

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that, But also just seeing John's reaction and had

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John losing control. I mean, that was real fear

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that John had about losing his parents. And then,

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you know, and then, of course, you know, in the

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perfect bookend to it all was the conversation in

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the car where Hal talks about the lonely. You

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know, this is a lonely job. And you know, that

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theme of loneliness. Loneliness comes up again

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and, and how. But also, you know, how he deduces

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that. And I know we're jumping ahead, but.

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>> Sarah : No, no, we're there.

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>> Will: Yeah. You know, that the whole. With azoia of it

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all, you know, and he. He was, you know, he saw

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the reaction or lack thereof with. With what

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happened there. And you put two and two together

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as far as John not being forthcoming that, you

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know, that she told him that, you know, she's the

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Manhunter.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, well, I don't think she explicitly said it.

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>> Will: She didn't say it outright. She intimated it,

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yeah, very strongly. Whenever she was just like,

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you know, get out of.

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>> Sarah : Confirmed.

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>> Will: She confirmed. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Especially it's funny because in that whole scene

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when he's like, you showed no emotion when she

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died. And I was thinking to myself, I was like,

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oh, shit. I didn't even show any emotion when she.

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I was like. I was just like, John, like, oh,

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that's weird. It's a bit awkward. Like Everything

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about Zoe has been awkward anytime she shows up.

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And which just leads me to the question, the

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obvious question. What are your thoughts about the

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reveal that she is the Manhunter?

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>> Will: Yeah, you know, we. We. I know way back at episode

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one, we were questioned about whether or not she

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was a benefactor or not. But, I mean, it doesn't.

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It didn't surprise me as far as

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>> Sarah : her possibly it was telegraphed.

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>> Will: Oh, I think. I don't know if it was even

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telegraphed. It was just more like, okay, we have

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a. We have a finite set of people who. Who this

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Manhunter could be, you know, and there was. I

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don't know if it was so much telegraphed. I think

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it was more. For me, it was just more the. The

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whenever. Like when. Whenever we were. When we had

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the power move by Macon there and he talked and he

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shared with. He shared his weenie. I couldn't.

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Yeah. Just. Just to digress for a moment, I. I

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thought it reminded me of another power move

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moment from another show that we watched earlier

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this year with Ormond. The. Whenever he stood up

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in the, tub there with the, two people, the two

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aristocrats. But he said she. That she cared for

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him and everything about it. So seeds were laid

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there. But whenever she was. Whenever she slept

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with John the second time and whenever she was,

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like, took care of him, that's when I was like,

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okay, I think she. This is. That was when I was

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like, she might be the man in her.

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>> Sarah : So, listeners, I just want everybody to go and re.

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Listen to our episode one discussion. I figure out

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Zoe's name, but I was like, too obvious. It's not

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gonna be Joey. It's too obvious. And so I stand by

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that. I just think from the get go how she. She

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just so happens to be in the same bar within

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hearing distance, knows has all this information.

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The way she sleeps with John and Macon is okay

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about it. Like, there. There was a lot of.

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Basically, she is different. Something that's off

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about her, but you're also clouded by. Is that

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just the. The. I'm. I'm blanking on the word for

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it. But so. So to me, it was a bit telegraphed.

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But. And. And like I said before, I wasn't

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surprised when she died in a weird way. And I

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wasn't necessarily. I wasn't surprised by any of

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this. I. I'm not mad at it. It's not, It's not a

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bad thing at all if a part of me is still like,

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because we're halfway.

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There's a lot of stuff that happens in this

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episode to escalate. Ah. I mean, we're getting

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where the whole thing about this episode is the 48

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hour timeline is running out, and so they got to

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deliver or else even worse events will occur for

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Rushville.

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>> Will: So I guess. Yeah. And I, And I guess the thing to.

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I guess the counterpoint for me is like, as far as

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why it didn't seem telegraphed to me was because

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the conversation she and John had about how's your

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white man? So, So I knew something was going on

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there. But, but it was just.

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>> Sarah : That seems to support me that it was telegraph.

488
00:25:21,230 --> 00:25:23,270
Because that whole conversation, like.

489
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:26,030
>> Will: Well, again, we were really pushing off of who was

490
00:25:26,030 --> 00:25:27,910
the Benefactor, not who was the Manhunter.

491
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:30,470
>> Sarah : I, I've always thought they were the same person,

492
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:31,230
actually.

493
00:25:31,230 --> 00:25:32,729
>> Will: I thought they were, I've always taken that they

494
00:25:32,729 --> 00:25:33,089
were different.

495
00:25:33,089 --> 00:25:35,649
>> Sarah : Oh. I, I, I always thought we were on the same

496
00:25:35,649 --> 00:25:37,689
page. That those are going to be the same person.

497
00:25:37,769 --> 00:25:38,489
Same person.

498
00:25:38,489 --> 00:25:38,809
>> Will: Yeah.

499
00:25:38,809 --> 00:25:41,779
>> Sarah : Yeah. Well, I mean, I will give props to John and

500
00:25:41,779 --> 00:25:44,659
Joey that at least the sex scene in this episode

501
00:25:44,659 --> 00:25:48,099
wasn't nearly as awkward. Which I don't know if

502
00:25:48,099 --> 00:25:51,619
that means he knew the second time around, because

503
00:25:51,699 --> 00:25:55,859
I, I think he knew because of how long he held his

504
00:25:55,859 --> 00:25:59,379
gun at her. He held his gun at her for a awkward,

505
00:25:59,459 --> 00:26:02,019
long time and then made the decision, no, we're

506
00:26:02,019 --> 00:26:04,739
gonna have sex because in about an hour or two

507
00:26:04,739 --> 00:26:06,499
later, you're gonna blow up and die.

508
00:26:06,979 --> 00:26:08,939
>> Will: I didn't tell you how the gun later. Cause it was

509
00:26:08,939 --> 00:26:11,339
just all after. After what they had just gone

510
00:26:11,339 --> 00:26:14,969
through with Macon, that he just was just, again,

511
00:26:15,049 --> 00:26:17,649
trust about the underlying issue. And this whole

512
00:26:17,649 --> 00:26:19,689
episode is all about trust. And he just didn't.

513
00:26:19,689 --> 00:26:20,729
Just didn't trust her.

514
00:26:20,729 --> 00:26:21,089
>> Sarah : Yeah.

515
00:26:21,089 --> 00:26:23,209
>> Will: Not because he suspected she was a Manhunter. It's

516
00:26:23,209 --> 00:26:25,369
just that he just was like, are you here at all

517
00:26:25,369 --> 00:26:27,529
kill me. Because, I mean, Macon basically said

518
00:26:27,529 --> 00:26:29,609
during that meeting, he was like, I don't want to

519
00:26:29,769 --> 00:26:32,689
bring all the whole core down on me for like

520
00:26:32,689 --> 00:26:34,489
killing the lantern. But, But John, you're not a

521
00:26:34,489 --> 00:26:34,809
lantern.

522
00:26:34,809 --> 00:26:39,009
>> Sarah : He's not. He's not a lantern yet. Or at all a

523
00:26:39,009 --> 00:26:40,969
feral. So, you know.

524
00:26:40,969 --> 00:26:43,689
Okay, here. Here's the one thing about this whole

525
00:26:43,929 --> 00:26:49,209
Manhunter review. I will say I don't know why they

526
00:26:49,209 --> 00:26:52,689
cast Jason Ritter and the part they did. And we

527
00:26:52,689 --> 00:26:57,169
have seen him all of one or two times. So. Because

528
00:26:57,169 --> 00:27:00,449
I will, I will tell you, part of me at the

529
00:27:00,449 --> 00:27:03,649
beginning of this episode, I forget the line that

530
00:27:03,649 --> 00:27:06,199
was said. I was like, oh, when they were like

531
00:27:06,199 --> 00:27:09,789
yeah, it's Willie or it's William Macomb. I'm just

532
00:27:09,789 --> 00:27:13,629
like Junior because he goes by Billy. I just. For

533
00:27:13,629 --> 00:27:17,429
some reason. And I also bring that up because

534
00:27:17,429 --> 00:27:21,989
there is a continued emphasis about this strained

535
00:27:22,309 --> 00:27:26,589
marriage between Carrie and Billy. Oh. And then I

536
00:27:26,589 --> 00:27:31,349
even go back further to 2026 where. Where the

537
00:27:31,349 --> 00:27:34,189
first thing that John says to Carrie is, how is

538
00:27:34,189 --> 00:27:36,789
your son? Like, is he still playing football like

539
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:41,589
I do? I don't think it's. I would not be surprised

540
00:27:42,229 --> 00:27:45,429
if. Because it, because this reveal is happening

541
00:27:45,829 --> 00:27:49,109
in the fourth episode, that they also have

542
00:27:49,109 --> 00:27:52,749
something else because. Yeah, there was some alien

543
00:27:52,749 --> 00:27:55,429
and human interaction and now we have Billy.

544
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:59,349
>> Will: And whenever they were looking for Atlas and

545
00:27:59,349 --> 00:28:02,589
looking at the decoy, as far as with. With Hector

546
00:28:02,589 --> 00:28:05,149
Hammond and stuff, I mean, there's still the 3ndas

547
00:28:05,149 --> 00:28:08,229
that are out there. yeah. With the companies. And

548
00:28:08,629 --> 00:28:12,429
Carrie does mention that how the. And you know,

549
00:28:12,429 --> 00:28:15,709
and even making Senior, you know, with all the

550
00:28:15,709 --> 00:28:19,389
technology and all the other things, I mean with

551
00:28:19,389 --> 00:28:22,829
the hospital and the 917am flights, I mean,

552
00:28:22,829 --> 00:28:24,669
there's still a lot of things circulating out

553
00:28:24,669 --> 00:28:27,229
there that I think to your point, that there's

554
00:28:27,229 --> 00:28:29,069
definitely some other foot that's got to drop.

555
00:28:29,069 --> 00:28:31,989
>> Sarah : There's. There's other things happening and

556
00:28:31,989 --> 00:28:34,989
there's other relationships. Because now that I

557
00:28:34,989 --> 00:28:37,109
think about it, I don't know what's a more

558
00:28:37,569 --> 00:28:41,289
strained relationship or weird dynamic that's kind

559
00:28:41,289 --> 00:28:47,049
of off the. The car. Zoe and William marriage or

560
00:28:47,049 --> 00:28:50,809
the Billy and Carrie marriage? Because Hal has not

561
00:28:50,809 --> 00:28:55,169
slept with Carrie yet. No emphasis on yet. Okay.

562
00:28:55,489 --> 00:28:59,249
Yeah, okay. Emphasis. Yeah. But if he was given

563
00:28:59,729 --> 00:29:02,969
the, the opening the way John has been with Zoe,

564
00:29:02,969 --> 00:29:04,599
he would be in that end zone. I'm, I'm just

565
00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:08,499
saying. I also, you know, and just the, the whole

566
00:29:08,579 --> 00:29:11,699
we're. We're four episodes in and yet they're

567
00:29:11,699 --> 00:29:16,219
already doing callbacks. The whole sorry about the

568
00:29:16,219 --> 00:29:20,539
rental. I'm like, damn it, Hal. And he doesn't

569
00:29:20,539 --> 00:29:23,219
give him the ring this time to protect himself.

570
00:29:23,539 --> 00:29:27,459
But it was. It's just like so, so, just so you

571
00:29:27,459 --> 00:29:30,459
know, if you ever piss off Hal Jordan, never be in

572
00:29:30,459 --> 00:29:33,379
a driving moving vehicle with him because we will

573
00:29:33,379 --> 00:29:36,739
get out. Never let him drive. I don't know why

574
00:29:36,739 --> 00:29:39,119
John hasn't figured that exactly.

575
00:29:39,119 --> 00:29:40,839
>> Will: Especially whenever you haven't been completely

576
00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:41,599
honest with Al.

577
00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:44,199
>> Sarah : Cuz I'm pretty sure that rental was in John's

578
00:29:44,199 --> 00:29:48,879
name. So he was just going to destroy the car. So

579
00:29:48,959 --> 00:29:50,479
you got. You got to learn.

580
00:29:51,679 --> 00:29:53,759
>> Will: Yeah. How's already. Yeah, he's just like. He's

581
00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:56,359
one piece about Another, he's like taking, he took

582
00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:58,279
the front grill off and then this time he just

583
00:29:58,279 --> 00:29:59,239
wrecked the whole freaking thing.

584
00:29:59,239 --> 00:30:03,959
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I, I, I enjoy this episode.

585
00:30:03,959 --> 00:30:06,499
I'm gonna be fine. I'm gonna be very honest. I got

586
00:30:06,499 --> 00:30:08,899
bored in the middle. I, and, and there were just

587
00:30:08,899 --> 00:30:11,779
some slow sequences, in my opinion, getting into

588
00:30:11,779 --> 00:30:15,659
the weenie. But the, this episode was filled with

589
00:30:15,659 --> 00:30:19,939
a lot of really good dialogue and conversations

590
00:30:20,019 --> 00:30:23,379
that were happening and choices that were made.

591
00:30:23,459 --> 00:30:26,579
And I agree with you. I didn't think anybody

592
00:30:26,579 --> 00:30:28,939
should have a problem with them doing a flashback

593
00:30:28,939 --> 00:30:31,539
episode last week when we were talking about the

594
00:30:31,539 --> 00:30:36,699
Flash. And I stand by it this week, like we, I'm

595
00:30:36,699 --> 00:30:39,899
just going to re, emphasize this. There is a part

596
00:30:39,899 --> 00:30:43,739
of this audience, myself included, who has no

597
00:30:43,979 --> 00:30:47,539
background or understanding of who. Maybe I have a

598
00:30:47,539 --> 00:30:49,778
little bit more understanding of who Hal Jordan

599
00:30:49,778 --> 00:30:52,939
is, but I know nothing about the Guardians. I have

600
00:30:53,019 --> 00:30:56,179
loose understanding about Sinestro and Hal's

601
00:30:56,179 --> 00:31:00,259
relationship, but, I mean, it's not enough to

602
00:31:00,259 --> 00:31:04,389
build a TV show around, so, or making me think

603
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:06,989
like, oh, you can do some shortcuts here, because

604
00:31:07,069 --> 00:31:09,069
everybody knows that. I mean, we're not talking

605
00:31:09,069 --> 00:31:13,149
about Spider man. We're not talking about Superman

606
00:31:13,549 --> 00:31:17,669
or Batman. Those characters. You can take all the

607
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:20,469
shortcuts you need because there's been so many

608
00:31:20,469 --> 00:31:23,989
iterations. But with this, they can't take the

609
00:31:23,989 --> 00:31:26,109
shortcuts. And I really appreciate that they're

610
00:31:26,109 --> 00:31:30,919
not. And I also just, just want to emphasize, I

611
00:31:30,919 --> 00:31:33,719
love this show is called Lantern. They're really

612
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:37,719
making sure it's clear that it's about multiple

613
00:31:37,719 --> 00:31:38,279
characters.

614
00:31:38,679 --> 00:31:39,159
>> Will: Yeah.

615
00:31:39,159 --> 00:31:41,799
>> Sarah : And that's a hard thing to do because we have seen

616
00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:44,199
ensemble shows and that has been a criticism.

617
00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:47,889
>> Will: Yeah, that has been a problem. But I think, this

618
00:31:47,889 --> 00:31:52,169
show is done. We've seen both situations where Hal

619
00:31:52,169 --> 00:31:54,329
and John are apart, and now we've seen them

620
00:31:54,329 --> 00:31:57,809
together. I love the chemistry between Aaron

621
00:31:57,809 --> 00:31:59,909
Pierre and Cal Chandler is just like, like, it's

622
00:31:59,909 --> 00:32:01,909
just, it's just fun to see them on the screen

623
00:32:01,909 --> 00:32:04,549
together. And, and, and so it was given how this

624
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:08,789
episode ended, where, how that, that trust that,

625
00:32:09,109 --> 00:32:12,389
that was blossoming has, has now been strained

626
00:32:12,629 --> 00:32:15,949
again. What I'm looking forward to, like, what's

627
00:32:15,949 --> 00:32:18,229
going to go, what's, what's going to come going

628
00:32:18,229 --> 00:32:21,869
forward? And then it's, and we do have, like you

629
00:32:21,869 --> 00:32:23,989
mentioned earlier, we do have Anton out there.

630
00:32:24,019 --> 00:32:26,949
John did call him to. And then there's the

631
00:32:26,949 --> 00:32:29,949
Guardians of it all and what their role of it is,

632
00:32:29,949 --> 00:32:32,989
because clearly they, they have a strained

633
00:32:32,989 --> 00:32:36,389
relationship with, with Hal. Hal doesn't is also

634
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:38,309
has a very strained relationship with the

635
00:32:38,309 --> 00:32:41,829
Guardians, and so that's why Sinestro's chat with

636
00:32:41,829 --> 00:32:44,269
John with Hal earlier in the episode resonates.

637
00:32:44,269 --> 00:32:47,829
Because was Hal doing this to protect himself when

638
00:32:47,829 --> 00:32:49,909
he jumped out of the car, or was he, you know,

639
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:52,519
protect John? What was the motivations there? So

640
00:32:52,989 --> 00:32:55,989
there's just so many things that are, you know,

641
00:32:55,989 --> 00:32:58,989
that are happening here and that they are really

642
00:32:58,989 --> 00:33:01,749
doing it is pulling all the various pieces of the

643
00:33:01,749 --> 00:33:03,629
ensemble, even the other supporting characters.

644
00:33:03,629 --> 00:33:07,229
Everybody has an arc that ties to the larger story

645
00:33:07,549 --> 00:33:09,989
that they're using these characters well together.

646
00:33:09,989 --> 00:33:11,549
>> Sarah : Definitely. Definitely.

647
00:33:11,709 --> 00:33:15,109
Okay. Well, Will, why don't you tell our listeners

648
00:33:15,109 --> 00:33:16,229
where they can find you?

649
00:33:16,229 --> 00:33:18,399
>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at, Will

650
00:33:18,399 --> 00:33:20,519
and Polk. W I L L M M P

651
00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:23,439
>> Sarah : O L K And you can find me there too, at Sjvomont.

652
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