The Dark Truth About Hal Jordan's Legacy | Lanterns Episode 7

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>> Sarah : Foreign. Nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your

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host, Sarah Belmont, and with me, as always, is

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our Mr. Producer, will Will Polk Carradine.

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Tonight, Will.

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>> Will: Doing very well, sir. Hope you're doing well to

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see me.

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>> Sarah : I'm doing all right. I just got a whole rundown

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about golf.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I am taking lessons. It's so far, so

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good. Yeah, I'm enjoying it.

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>> Sarah : It wasn't the sport I was expecting, I mean,

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considering it's NFL season, so.

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>> Will: Yeah, that's. Did not talk about yesterday.

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>> Sarah : Okay, now. Now it's making sense now.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : Anyway, choose which. Which sport you want to talk

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about, man. Yeah, we're here to talk about

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lanterns.

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We're already at the penultimate episode, episode

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seven, the Jordan Boys Legacy. John and Hal

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reluctantly team up to solve a pressing murder and

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find themselves on another planet. So the. The

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episode starts and ends in 1975. Here's. What did

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you think about this whole thing regarding the

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baseball being the pitcher?

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>> Will: Yeah. So really this whole episode, you know, it

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is the penultimate episode of the first season and

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it really, you know, the whole thing with the

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baseball and his dad, you know, we. We meet his

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dad. This episode sort of acted like a, an origin

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story for Halloween because it really

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contextualizes a lot of things that we've seen

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with the character throughout this first season.

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And, of course, we learned a really big thing as

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far as what happened. What actually did happen to

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his father and, you know, with. With the Jordan

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Boys legacy and all that. But I think the thing

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with the baseball in particular really

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contextualized for me how he can't let go of

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things. And he was. He's being very. We all know

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he's stubborn, but I think with the, The, The. The

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baseball, you know, just. Just fast forward, you

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know, 50 years, and it's. It's just. It's the

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ring. And we. And it really contextualizes why he,

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you know, whenever he said, you're gonna. Gonna

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take this thing off from my, you know, the

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several. From my, My, My dead hands. We understand

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that now. And. Yeah, and we see the. The roots of

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that with his relationship with his father and

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conversation there in the. In the air, in the. In

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the hangar after. Whenever he'd give the ball back

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to the other player during the game. Well,

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actually, he was, ah, he was going for a complete

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game and, you know, he wanted to finish. And it

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really reminds me of Rushfield, too, because he

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had this mission of wanting to seek this Manhunter

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and, And, and consequences be damned. He wanted to

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finish that mission as far as capturing the

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Manhunter.

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>> Sarah : Oh, sorry. You. You. You said something about how

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it contextualized further with his father, but it

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seemed to me like him and his father had different

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viewpoints on the baseball. Because in the opening

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sequence at the end of it, his father says, go

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ahead and it's time now to let it go and throw it.

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And then at the end of the episode, we see the

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kid, young Hal, return to get the baseball. So

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what did you make about that difference?

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>> Will: So I think going back to get the baseball is like

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going back to getting the ring and. And. And going

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back and. Or, Well, I think two things. Maybe not

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the ring, but I think going back to Rushville to

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try to make things right because of what happened

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in 2016. And so when he returns to 20. When he

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returns to Rushville in 2025 or 26, whenever it

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was. He was. It was similar to like when he. Even

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though his dad told him to throw it away, the

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baseball, he. He went back and got it, because

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that's. Because again, he just can't let go. And I

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think it was the same thing too with Rushville,

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where he failed in that mission. The town. Well, I

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won't say he failed, but they accomplished by

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killing the Manhunter, but there was a great cost

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for it. And so now he's trying to go back and make

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amends for four, because he just can't let that

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moment go.

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>> Sarah : Interesting.

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Yeah. So my. I'm still forming a take on it

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because I don't know if it's as simple as he can't

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let it go just because I want to go down the road

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of. Or the thought of that him. Them placing the

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scene where he returns to get the baseball that

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his father said to go away is basically

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acknowledging that there's a difference between

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these two people. And it's almost like a breaking

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of the curse, because that's what this whole

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episode is about. Yeah, well, not this whole

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episode, but that safe through line for. For Hal's

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part in this episode. In terms of. We learn early

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on in the episode that Hal's grandfather set aside

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a. Preparations for when he was gone locked in a

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safe and gave his. Gave his son the key. And it's

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a fail safe. And then his father did the same

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thing for him. And we see the funeral, which

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honestly, it was kind of like, okay, this is why

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Hal's eulogy was written the way it was, because,

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Because he witnessed his father's funeral. So he.

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He wanted his funeral to be like that. And it's

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also very interesting then, the difference in the

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deaths because, later on in the episode that the.

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The legacy of the Jordan boys is actually suicide,

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as his great grandfather committed suicide or his

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grandfather committed suicide and so did his

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father. And there's a point in this episode where

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the question is raised, okay, did Hal commit

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suicide? And. Which I thought was great just

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because I never. I don't think anybody had that on

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their bingo card. But it made a lot of sense in

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terms of just the. The tragedy that occurred.

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Granted, there was 10 years apart and he started a

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great relationship, so I don't. I don't think

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there's a lot of legitimacy. And I think by having

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that scene at the end where we are again in that

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flashback, same day, he goes back to the. The

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scene in the middle of the night to grab the

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baseball. It's kind of like he.

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He hears what his father says, but he's going to

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do things differently. And I think it's more about

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breaking that than, Or symbolizes that he could

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have fallen down that road. But there's a piece of

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him that is very much rebelling against it.

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>> Will: I'm glad you brought that up now here at the

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beginning, because I was thinking whenever I was

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watching episode last night, the parallels between

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Hal and John and how they're. Yeah. Through the

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hologram we really get a bet. We get a sense of

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how similar these two people are and for, you

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know, different things. But it is that situation

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where. For. Where they do make a choice to go

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against something that their parents wished. Hal

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retrieving that baseball. John, many years down

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the line, whenever he decides to tell the

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Guardians, thank you. No, thank you. I don't want

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to be a Lantern when he returns to the ring. So I

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just, you know, so I think for me, that was what I

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took away from that moment where they. They both

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in there. Again, stakes are completely different,

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but in their own way, they were showing. Here's

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how I'm going to be my own person.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, no, that's.

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That's a great point. And that's a good segue into

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the John, because we even see John's father in

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this episode and we're reminded of the apples.

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Because I also don't agree. Agree or, or follow

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that same thought process. Like, I think this show

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as a whole is an origin story for all Lanterns.

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And this episode, yeah, we see a little bit about

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Hal, but there's also. We spend so much time in

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Rushville, present day, without Hal, and, and,

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and, it's very similar to episode three. You spend

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so much time with the stewards. And yet as much as

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you're learning about the Stewart family, you're

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also learning about how. You're learning about a

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perspective on how as a person. And then in this

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episode, through, not only the flashbacks, but

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through Hallow Graham and through Rushville,

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present day, you're also learning about Hal. And

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then, as you put it pointed out, John as well,

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because there's. It was a very good scene when it

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started raining and then the apples fell and

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you're like, what the pockets? You know, as soon

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as you see his father, you're like, okay, now I

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get why there's apples. To also go into your point

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in that whole sequence, the. There is the. We

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finally understand what actually scares John. And

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it's the fact that if he didn't even want to be

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Green Lantern in the first place. Yeah, like. Like

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that. That honesty and that truth that is like

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he's buried away for. For so long that that's what

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scares him. And they use the word coward, which is

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also one of. One of Hal's last words to him.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, that.

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Whatever. That scene was just so, so powerful. And

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it was, you know, not only his father was on that

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boat with him, but also we saw Little John Jr.

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Look who was the one who, who, who voiced that to

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him. That was like, you don't even want to be a

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Lantern. And so I think so. I really liked how

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they, like, I completely agree with you that this

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was a very similar structure. As far as three.

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What we learned, even though principally this was

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about Hal's. We do learn a very pivotal thing

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about John in that moment too, as you said. And it

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was a good framing of that. And really it was the

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situation where the hologram saves. They finally

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do start to bond. And it's. And it's sad that it

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had to come at the. They didn't have that moment

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whenever Hal was actually with him as far as

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alive.

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>> Sarah : Oh, there's a lot of moments in this episode that

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didn't happen when Hal was alive.

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>> Will: Yeah, true.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: But that's what. That's why we're talking about

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the boat. I mean, that's one of them. And. And

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they were both. But in that moment they were both

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honest with each other, which I think, to your

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point, there were a lot of those moments in the

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episode, but this was truly the moment where they.

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They were both vulnerable and were willing to show

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that vulnerability.

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And, and using the alien planet that. That John

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saw where Anton shared Divisions of what happened

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with the genocide from Joey, from Zoe, I think,

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and the gases that were around that. And there's

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always some kind of thing in these shows where,

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you know, these characters find their true

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feelings due to, you know, some kind of whatever

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interference. And so of course it was the gas on

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that planet.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. But what. The whole. I, I appreciated

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hologram in this episode. He had so many one

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liners. I just like the whole the. I'm trying to

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find it. It's the one where he's like, well, if

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you had been murdered, you would be a little

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paranoid as well. Like because we've, we've seen

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when Hal was alive and his interactions. John,

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he's always been weary of John because he wants to

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know who he is, where he comes from, why he's

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here. Like there's so many mysteries regarding

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John and John doesn't give an inch. And rightfully

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so. And so. But in this episode you see that whole

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paranoia, so re. And whole skepticism about John.

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It's different because in this episode the viewers

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know that hologram has a right to be skeptical

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spectacle of John because he is withholding a

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truth about where he was then the day slash night

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that Hal died and he, and you see him pay off

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Maggie, you see him continue to avoid and not tell

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Carrie the truth about that. So, so you, you like

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hologram are just also like, well I. This kind of

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paranoia is justified because he ain't telling the

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full truth even though he has nothing to be like,

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sorry about. But you also. There's also this

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understanding that hologram, he isn't up to speed

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on all of Hal's experience. Right, right. So I

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like that line. It's like a recording. It's like

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who he was, but also present. He was in Rushville,

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but he didn't understand a lot of what was going

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on. So there's like a delayed, he's like a delayed

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recording.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And, and I especially talk about a powerful

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moment, but Kelly McDonald plays Sheriff Carrie

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Kane. Her, the her meaning hologram was such a

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powerful moment because the look and the emotions

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of grief that she goes through and it was, it was

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just done so well. And then, and then Kyle

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Chandler just also feeding off of it and, and he

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manages to go through such serious moments and

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then the moment she leaves the room, I think she

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killed me.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : Like, oh, we couldn't have just sat in that. Like

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you're, you're not really human and yet you didn't

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expect spirit. So you didn't fully understand that

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that was you got confused between guilt and love.

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I mean she is, but I mean people have pointed out

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Hal's gut is never wrong about things. But then

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again he thought Hallow Graham and Hal are not.

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instinct was that John killed him.

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>> Will: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Because this is, this

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is like you said, it's a, it's a delay. It's a 10

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year delay. And this is the last, you know,

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because the last recording that Hal did was I

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think the moment when, I think we saw. We met the

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hologram whenever they were doing that early

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training and John had just like, you know, Hal

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took, you know, jumped out of the car. The first

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time. Yeah, yeah. First episode. And so that, you

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know, the version the hologram is still, still

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the, the hope I get, I won't say hopeful how, but

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the, the less jaded how I guess is a better way to

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put it.

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>> Sarah : It just makes you wonder what happened in between

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like that time. I mean there's also a reason why

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he uploading and what was going on then and

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everything.

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But, but also the, the beauty of that whole

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exchange was that again it allowed us to learn how

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Hal actually felt about John. And, and I can

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appreciate the whole description. It's about,

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about football. And you talked about John like a

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football team who's always giving you hope and

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then letting you down. The TV you yell every

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Sunday. But you. Because you're a big fan.

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>> Will: Yeah. And you can Carolina Panthers like this

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Sunday. So.

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>> Sarah : Right.

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>> Will: I felt seen.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. And you could see on John's face like I

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appreciate on John's face. It didn't look like he,

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it was like far fetched.

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>> Will: Right.

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>> Sarah : And, and he could believe that and he. There was.

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And it continues to go into this tangled web

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between these two characters where they, they,

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their differences and they have definitely have

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animosity towards one another. Yet there's also

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something though that they at the end of the day

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respect and see in each other and, and you know

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this again fathers and sons because I mean we

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talked about the Jordan boys legacy. We know all

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about chosen. We know all about his relationship

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with his father and more importantly with his

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mother Bernie. And yet they were still so lonely

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on those paths that I feel like you see the father

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and that's why it made more sense that like. Well,

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yeah, Sinestro's there. That was for all intents

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purposes a father figure for Hal as he was

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learning how to be a lantern to begin with.

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So.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of the things Too. Just to

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go quickly, go back to the. The moment where Hal

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was comp. Well, it was very complimentary to John

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with. With the bird and the construct, because

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again, that, to me, that was just a great payoff

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for the bird that we saw earlier in the season and

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the. You know, Hal. And also given that, to your

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point about Sinestro showing up and why that,

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Sinestro felt like John was very. Was. Was very

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dangerous. That's my word. But it's because Hal

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was very impressed genuinely, about how he was

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able to have this keep. Keep the construct going

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of the hologram.

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>> Sarah : Oh, yeah.

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>> Will: yeah, yeah. And it was just a really nice. Just,

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you know, just another nice payoff, I think, for.

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For. For something that. That. That was

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established earlier in this season and now we get

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to see it. And. And, you know, and. And given that

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20. 26 how. How Hal really didn't ever. Well, I

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guess 26 between. How that we saw there really

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never gave John a proper compliment the. The

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hologram, which did. So I think that was just

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another, as you said, a very, very good moment in

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this episode.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. They. There was a lot of similar

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banter that we've seen for the last seven

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episodes.

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And then there were these moments where honesty

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was shared.

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>> Will: Yeah. The honesty of like, you're not getting in

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this vault unless you take me

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>> Sarah : to carry or you taught me two things, Jack. And.

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>> Will: And. Yep.

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>> Sarah : what. What did you think about the hat ceremony?

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>> Will: Yeah, the hat ceremony.

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So that the hat ceremony maybe. Just maybe re.

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Establishes that. That Noah is a manhunter or.

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He's waiting for. He's waiting. He's destined for

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great things. But, you know, I think that that was

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an interesting story story in that. Especially

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when you juxtapose it with the beginning of the

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episode where you had Hal as a youngster, not

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being a good teammate, being a good team player,

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but to take the football. You know, since we're

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talking about football in this episode a lot

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tonight, we. We had the football, you know, where

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we had no, bringing up his linemen to like, thank

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them for. For being. Being good offensive linemen

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and. And. And, you know, trying to. To take. Take

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the. Taking the focus off of him as possibly being

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how's murderer or as how the hologram suspected

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Carrie. Because I still think, given what Zo.

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Young Noah, about. Don't forget what I taught you.

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You know, I'm paraphrasing there, but I. I still

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think it has something to do with Carrie and maybe

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him being a miracle child as far as carrying out,

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being able to conceive or something. You know,

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something that gives him some motivation or give

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Carrie some motivation to, to murder. Hal didn't

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commit suicide, which I don't think he did. I

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mean, it. So it makes him the problem. It makes

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him a firmer suspect for Hal's murder.

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>> Sarah : Okay, that's, that's where I thought you were

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going. And then I got a little twisted at the end,

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but just Noah, killing Halloween.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Right. Not, not Carrie.

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>> Will: No, not Carrie.

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>> Sarah : Okay.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Okay.

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>> Will: Yeah. I don't think.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. There was just a look when he was

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giving his speech between him and his mom.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : That I, I, that struck me as a bit like, what are

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you trying to do here? What are we supposed to be.

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I mean, we've already picked up on that. The kid

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ain't fully human, and the kid is definitely a

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creation of Zoe. But there was a different look

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of, oddly, disappointment from his mom in the

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sense of, why are you choosing to postpone? When

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he brings up the championship game, it felt even

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more like, why are you doing this? So, I mean, as

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much as I was saying that John is withholding

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truths, Carrie is also withholding truth. And so

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in terms of this episode overall, I have similar

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critiques that I did last week in terms of, like,

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the big plot points I could see coming and, and

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it, and not in a way where, like, I had time to

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actually be like, like, take myself out of the

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story and be like, okay, so this is what's gonna

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happen then. And this is gonna lead us to here,

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and then we're gonna see Sinestro.

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So, but I think that that's okay, because in both

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episodes, it's still, the mysteries are not

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necessarily what's going on in the main plot. The

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mysteries are more terms of character development.

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And I think these characters are the mysteries, as

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they're figuring out each other. So I still get

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annoyed with stuff like that, where I see it

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coming and, and it tells me something when, when I

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have time to think about what's going to happen.

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It tells me how my engagement level in an episode

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of tv. So, but, but I'm, I'm not mad at it. I did,

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I did get taken out, a bit when they were rowing,

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just because when the closer we got to the island,

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they know that they're different franchises, Will.

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But I did think to myself, oh, that's where Loki

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went.

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>> Will: Yeah, don't be, don't, you know, hey, I, I, I've

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shared throughout our journey here many, many

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comparisons to Wonder Man. So it's fine.

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>> Sarah : Oh, our. Artistically, that setting just from the

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outskirt looked so similar.

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>> Will: It did. It did.

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>> Sarah : And I was like, I wonder if the same art people

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did this, because a lot alike. But. But yeah,

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yeah, yeah, yeah.

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>> Will: I mean, yeah. What did you think about how they

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handle the alien planet as far as just. They

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actually did shoot it in the actual desert. It

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wasn't on a soundstage or cg. And whenever it was

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revealed that it was the. The planet, that. You

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know how you were saying, there were some

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predictable moments. Uh-huh. That was the one.

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>> Sarah : The moment he says, this may sound weird, but I

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feel like I've been here for. I'm like, okay, I

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know what planet we're on.

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>> Will: Yeah, we know. I knew what planet we were on. And

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then it was just going to be like, okay, now

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where. What. What were we going to. Are we going

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to see to. To. To confirm my suspicions. And of

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course, they had all the scale skulls and stuff

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and skeletons from people jumping off the. The

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city in the sky, which I think that was. That was

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actually pretty cool. This is how they.

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They had that sort of. That. That framework and

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also just a dimensional portal, which I thought

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was a pretty cool, you know, very simple effect,

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but. But effective. Yeah, it's good. You know,

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just far as the nerd. Just the nerd stuff. And

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then, you know, the other thing, too, as we. As we

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start to wrap up here, I did like some of the.

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Whenever you were talking about the funeral over

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earlier, as far as Hal's father and. And Hal

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whenever the hologram and. And John were talking

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over Hal's open grave and just again, something

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you just said about character work, especially

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when we. When we have these moments of somewhat

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predictability or the moment there when the

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hologram picked up on John Lyon and using, the

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planet Lantern and also the squirrel. It was just

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a nice little nod to the comics as far as just

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sprinkling in things for folks who are familiar

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with the lore. but not overdoing it either.

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>> Sarah : Right. Yeah. I have a question for you.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Why do you think John asked hologram before going

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through the portal asking or he tells him ask me

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if I'm afraid.

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>> Will: Oh, yeah, that's a good point. That's a good

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question. You know, and I had a thought about it

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last night when I was watching Episode and now.

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Now it's escaping me. But, I thought it was just.

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Oh, was it. Isn't that. I know what it was. Isn't

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that what the. Whenever he was auditioning when he

492
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had the interview for.

493
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>> Sarah : It's. It's the question that, that. It's the

494
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question that his father failed to answer. Corre.

495
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When the ring came, I. I understand that. My

496
00:24:44,190 --> 00:24:48,350
question is why in that moment did he ask hologram

497
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to say that

498
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>> Will: he needed to hear me? I don't know. Maybe it was

499
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just the situation, you know, stepping through

500
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that portal. Because I was thinking more when he.

501
00:24:56,150 --> 00:24:58,310
It was a similar portal that he jumped through.

502
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What did he went through to, do the interview,

503
00:25:00,910 --> 00:25:03,090
whenever he was in the art school, I thought maybe

504
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it was related to that. That.

505
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>> Sarah : What do you mean? Like, it was related because he.

506
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>> Will: Because he jumped through the similar portal to

507
00:25:10,130 --> 00:25:14,630
get down to Leia the first time. And I'm trying,

508
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you know, and I did have the whole discussion

509
00:25:17,030 --> 00:25:19,630
whenever he had his interview about his father and

510
00:25:19,630 --> 00:25:22,390
the fearlessness and stuff. So maybe it was just a

511
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callback to that. And I'm sure after we record.

512
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Finished recording that something would come to

513
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me, but that.

514
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That was really the connection that I had before

515
00:25:30,150 --> 00:25:32,390
was just, you know, tying it back to the interview

516
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that he had with Linnea. whenever he, Whenever he

517
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was. Was considered to be a lantern.

518
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>> Sarah : I think that, I mean, we talk about it. We talked

519
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about it when we covered episode three that we saw

520
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,500
the. Shoot the apple three different times.

521
00:25:45,980 --> 00:25:46,380
>> Will: Yeah.

522
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>> Sarah : At least. And he. He almost didn't do it. He

523
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couldn't. He didn't do it to his father, and then

524
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he chose after a pep talk from his mom to do it to

525
00:25:56,380 --> 00:26:02,260
her. And he. So I think that given it's been 10

526
00:26:02,260 --> 00:26:06,580
years, he doesn't have a fully powerful ring, he's

527
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about to step through a portal, and who knows

528
00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:12,380
what's on the other side of that. And there.

529
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There's all this risk. I think he was afraid had

530
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,040
to be asked that question because in any time they

531
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were shooting the apples, they asked that question

532
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:22,120
as well.

533
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>> Will: Oh, yeah, that's nice. Yeah, that makes sense.

534
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:26,120
Yeah.

535
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>> Sarah : yeah.

536
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>> Will: Yeah, that makes sense.

537
00:26:29,150 --> 00:26:32,630
>> Sarah : Right, Right. So that's why I think that he. He

538
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:35,590
said it in that moment on top of some of the other

539
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:38,310
things that you mentioned in terms of callbacks.

540
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:38,750
>> Will: Yeah.

541
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>> Sarah : But it was. It was just. It took me a while to

542
00:26:43,090 --> 00:26:46,050
really think about and understand it because it

543
00:26:46,050 --> 00:26:49,650
felt like out of nowhere. And, and we. At the end

544
00:26:49,650 --> 00:26:53,050
of the day, for. For seven hours of television,

545
00:26:53,130 --> 00:26:56,050
we've never arguably, up until this point, we've

546
00:26:56,050 --> 00:26:57,410
never seen John scared.

547
00:26:57,410 --> 00:26:57,770
>> Will: No.

548
00:26:58,170 --> 00:26:59,930
>> Sarah : So. So you.

549
00:27:00,570 --> 00:27:03,810
So to have him come out of nowhere in that, you're

550
00:27:03,810 --> 00:27:07,770
like, wait a second. Maybe we have. And this is

551
00:27:08,220 --> 00:27:10,940
his version of being scared, which is very

552
00:27:10,940 --> 00:27:14,140
different than anybody else's. I. My other

553
00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:16,980
question. I have one more thing that I have to say

554
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before I get to this last question. Okay. This.

555
00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:23,700
This episode, arguably, especially with the needle

556
00:27:23,700 --> 00:27:26,060
drop at the end, was the most like watching

557
00:27:26,060 --> 00:27:28,940
Peacemaker. There's something about this episode

558
00:27:28,940 --> 00:27:31,520
in particular there. I'm like, James Gunn's hands

559
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,010
are all over this. I have not felt that way about

560
00:27:35,010 --> 00:27:38,410
any other episode of Lanterns until this one. I

561
00:27:38,410 --> 00:27:41,400
don't know what it was. I, don't know if it's

562
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,600
because of the needle drops that occur where James

563
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,000
Gunn. Yes, yes, I understand. Guardians of the

564
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,120
Galaxy, that soundtrack was very popular. I get

565
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:55,760
it. He. He does it has a good choice. But in my

566
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,800
opinion, he overdoes it sometimes, too, where I'm

567
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,480
like, that's a bit too on point. Okay, so. And

568
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,680
then there are other times when it's like,

569
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,420
completely left field. So I. It's just something

570
00:28:08,420 --> 00:28:12,100
that struck me that have. Has not struck me until

571
00:28:12,180 --> 00:28:12,580
now.

572
00:28:12,740 --> 00:28:17,420
But my. My last question to you is, why do you

573
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think Hal broke Sinestro out of prison?

574
00:28:19,540 --> 00:28:20,980
>> Will: Why did he break him out of prison?

575
00:28:20,980 --> 00:28:23,500
>> Sarah : I mean, it was. It's been 10 years since the

576
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events of Rushville.

577
00:28:25,020 --> 00:28:25,420
>> Will: Yeah.

578
00:28:25,420 --> 00:28:29,460
>> Sarah : He's finally out of federal prison. And then. Then

579
00:28:29,460 --> 00:28:32,760
based on where we meet Sinestro at the end of this

580
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,240
episode, where we're left to believe that Hal

581
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broke him out.

582
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,160
>> Will: Yeah, it. That seems to be the logical. Logical

583
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,270
choice. and maybe it's because of. I mean, it

584
00:28:42,270 --> 00:28:46,710
could just be as simple as Hal is. Is done with

585
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:50,880
the Guardians. or. Or, you know, I had the whole

586
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,160
theory about how they were adapting the whole

587
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,480
Parallax storyline. And so it could be that this

588
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,880
could be that situation where. Where they are

589
00:29:00,230 --> 00:29:03,750
doing something like that, where Hal. You know,

590
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:06,030
because at least in the comics, Hal failed to save

591
00:29:06,030 --> 00:29:10,430
Coast City and he went to Oa to. To get all the

592
00:29:10,430 --> 00:29:13,070
power from. From the. From the battery, and he

593
00:29:13,070 --> 00:29:15,990
became all powerful. And. And who better to, like,

594
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:18,030
help him do something like that than. Than

595
00:29:18,030 --> 00:29:20,630
Sinestro breaking the legacy. Well, I guess he's

596
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:23,550
already broken the legacy of like, the. The. The

597
00:29:23,550 --> 00:29:26,070
other Jordan boys as far as just not committing.

598
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:28,270
Not taking us home. Own life. Literally.

599
00:29:28,350 --> 00:29:29,950
Literally. But yeah, maybe.

600
00:29:30,110 --> 00:29:33,620
>> Sarah : Or, maybe Sinestro is facing the execution and

601
00:29:33,780 --> 00:29:36,540
John. Hal decided to save him because he couldn't

602
00:29:36,540 --> 00:29:39,620
save his father's grandfather. I mean, he's. We're

603
00:29:39,620 --> 00:29:41,780
led to believe Sinestro is a father figure.

604
00:29:42,100 --> 00:29:42,500
>> Will: Yeah.

605
00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:44,500
>> Sarah : Maybe it could have been about saving him.

606
00:29:44,580 --> 00:29:48,660
It's just. I liked how I don't feel like we talked

607
00:29:48,820 --> 00:29:52,420
at all about who broke Sinestro out last week.

608
00:29:52,580 --> 00:29:56,700
Yeah. And so I, I can appreciate, like, okay, that

609
00:29:56,700 --> 00:30:00,220
that was pretty well planned out to leave us there

610
00:30:00,220 --> 00:30:03,500
and now all of a sudden, John. And it makes sense

611
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:06,960
in terms of the last time we saw Hal alive. Him.

612
00:30:06,910 --> 00:30:10,170
the paranoia he was experiencing and the paranoia

613
00:30:10,170 --> 00:30:14,330
he was trying to convey to John about not. Not

614
00:30:14,330 --> 00:30:16,650
telling any. Anyone he's there.

615
00:30:17,210 --> 00:30:17,610
>> Will: Right.

616
00:30:17,690 --> 00:30:21,770
>> Sarah : And, but. And again, it leads a lot to be like,

617
00:30:21,770 --> 00:30:25,480
well, when did the Guardians get back the Ring?

618
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,720
How did he break him out? There's a lot of missing

619
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,240
pieces, which I'm not worried about. Even though

620
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,440
we have one more episode, because they're not

621
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,560
going to cover all of that in one episode.

622
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:38,680
>> Will: No, there's no way.

623
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,240
>> Sarah : It's called season two.

624
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,000
>> Will: Yeah, exactly. There is no way they can, like,

625
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,760
wrap up all. I think we will get. Maybe we'll get

626
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,840
some resolution as far as what happened to Hal,

627
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,220
but in that it'll open up a whole range of other

628
00:30:52,220 --> 00:30:53,860
things that, like you said, there's the Guy

629
00:30:53,860 --> 00:30:56,220
Gardner of it all as well. I think he may return

630
00:30:56,460 --> 00:30:59,740
in this. In the finale. Of course, we do know John

631
00:30:59,740 --> 00:31:03,420
is going and. And Guy are a man of tomorrow, so

632
00:31:03,500 --> 00:31:06,260
that'll take place next year. So. Yeah, so

633
00:31:06,260 --> 00:31:08,140
there's, there's. There's a lot of threads to be

634
00:31:08,140 --> 00:31:11,060
that. That will get tied up, but I think more will

635
00:31:11,060 --> 00:31:13,500
be. More doors will be opened in the finale.

636
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:16,380
>> Sarah : Yep. And we're. We're watching you, Noah. We.

637
00:31:16,540 --> 00:31:18,740
We're clocking you hard. Yep.

638
00:31:18,740 --> 00:31:19,420
>> Will: Yes, we are.

639
00:31:20,140 --> 00:31:22,330
>> Sarah : All right, well, on, that note, why didn' tell our

640
00:31:22,330 --> 00:31:24,050
listeners where they can find you?

641
00:31:24,210 --> 00:31:27,060
>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at, Will

642
00:31:27,060 --> 00:31:29,580
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643
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