Lanterns Eps 1 and 2 Review: Is Hal Jordan DEAD?! Jon Stewart's Bird Changes Everything

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>> Sarah : Foreign. Nerds. This is Unit Nerd. I'm your host,

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Sarah Belmont, and with me, as always, is our Mr.

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Producer, will Will Polk Carry. Doing tonight,

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Will.

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. How are you doing this

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evening?

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>> Sarah : Doing fine.

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>> Will: That's good. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : we are back to talk about lanterns. D.C. property.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. It has been a minute. Yeah. I know we

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have Supergirl earlier this summer, but. But as

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far as, like,

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>> Sarah : So.

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>> Will: Yeah, but as far as a DC show, I guess it's been,

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what, since Peacemaker?

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>> Sarah : Yeah, Peacemaker. Season two.

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>> Will: Two, yeah. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So it's pretty much. I mean, I feel like around

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the same time last year is when m. Your season two

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premiered. And you are correct, Supergirl

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happened.

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>> Will: It happened.

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>> Sarah : Even though we try to black that out from our

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minds, it did happen.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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But let's talk about good DC stuff.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. So we have Lantern season one, episode one,

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the pilot. After a fatal shooting, Green Lantern

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Hal Jordan and new recruit Jon Stewart set out to

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prove it was an extraterrestrial event. It starts

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out in 1996, where a young Jon Stewart is watching

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a interview of Hal Jordan, who is revealing his

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identity to the world. And we also get an inkling

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that John is training as a child or becoming Green

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Lantern by his father wasn't. I mean, it's

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borderline child abuse happening in this

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situation. Very borderline.

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>> Will: Very borderline. I know. I know they were trying

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to go for the William Tell, you know, aspect of

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things. Yeah. But. And also, you know, they. They.

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They do like the. You know, I'm proud of you, son,

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for standing there and seeing all the bullet holes

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and stuff on the wall. So. Yeah, that was. That

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was quite the stark opening there.

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>> Sarah : I like the parallel, because in With Hal, the

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whole question of, are you afraid? And he. His

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response, theoretically, we have no idea if he's

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lying or not, is that he's already lost a parent.

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So in that moment, the greatest fear he would have

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had has already happened. Now, so far, we know

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that at least John has a dad. We don't know much

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more about his family situation, but there was no

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mom present that I could see. Right. So. And keep

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in mind, y', all, I know nothing about Green

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Lanterns or the. I don't know anything. So be very

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mindful of spoilers, because you may. Some say

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something, and that might stick in my head. And

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then, like, when the reveal happens, I'll be like,

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well, I already saw that coming, because.

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>> Will: Yeah, no, this show, it's. It takes.

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>> Sarah : I will.

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>> Will: I'm familiar with Green Lanterns because I. I, of

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course, with Hal Especially with the, Silver Age

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Hal Jordan and also Jon Stewart, of course. Jon

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was one of the first, if not the first African

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American, you know, major DC superhero in the late

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60s. And, and, and they based him off of,

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interestingly enough, Sidney Poitier as far as, as

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far as his color, tone and, and also just there,

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you know, the him, being very, you know, take it.

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Whereas other superheroes at the time, you know,

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still wore mask and stuff. He was one that was

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very open with his identity.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I. So back to the parallel. So just

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interesting because we don't know if he has

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experienced that kind of fear before, but it seems

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like he's also undergoing a whole different

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situation. So it, I like how it opened with a

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little bit of a mystery, which gets continued into

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2016 where HAL is late picking up Jon Stewart due

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to a newfound piece in Phantom 4.

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Yeah, so 2016, we. There's going to be a lot of

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timelines happening.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So we start with 1996. We jump forward to 2016,

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which is just him starting off as a trainee. And

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predominantly this is a timeline that is quasi

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present day, if you will, where these characters

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in this story feels. I know we jump to the future

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at the end, but even though the future is like

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today, but 2016 is a predominant time period for

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at least these first two episodes that these

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characters are. What did you think about this

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introduction to how Hal has been training for two

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months, John?

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>> Will: Yeah, so as far as this introduction. So we, we,

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we, you know, we. To your point, I love the way

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they set these two characters up because there was

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just a theme that was through line that was going

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through the, the these two episodes is, you know,

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the, the privilege of, you know, you have a hero

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who, was Grant, you know, gifted this great

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awesome responsibility that Hal was. That was

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given. And then of course, you know, and you know,

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and didn't have to, you know, really didn't have

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to work for it, so to speak. And then John, you

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know, from literally from the day of his, you

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know, you've seen from the bullet holes on the

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garage there, you know, he's been training for

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this. And even, you know, whenever John and Hal

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are there on the road and you know, John, John

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gets the call from his dad and, and you know, and

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you know, his dad like, you know, says whenever,

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after the car, after they have the incident where

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Hal jumps out of the car and John, you know, saves

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himself. And the cool thing about it too, they did

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not show what construct John used to like save

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himself until he told how it was like bubble wrap.

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But, but, but the response to daddy tried to kill

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me, and he's like, they can't kill you. You know,

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he's allowed to throw temper tantrums and we're

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not. So, you know, and it was a through line that

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they carry throughout, especially whenever, you

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know, the bar and, and, and learned the story as

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far as how, how it got the ring and, and all, you

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know, so there's all been all the true. Compare.

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True Detective and Training Day comparisons and

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stuff and whatnot. But to me, the, the deeper

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thing for me was like, it was. This show was

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really getting. Be getting beyond the surface

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level, you know, mismatched partners, but really

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start and explore, you know, how these gentlemen,

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their approaches to power and also their

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approaches to privilege and responsibility.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I, I agree with the latter. Privilege and

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responsibility is the best way to put it. I also

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think that there is no getting around, like the

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good cop, bad cop, lazy cop, like, followed by the

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code. There's, there's. I mean, it's a construct

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that's been around for hundreds of years.

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>> Will: Exactly.

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>> Sarah : They just want to fall into it. But I, I think

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it's more about what you said in terms of just

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expanding upon it to make it a little bit more

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unique to just them being Lanterns themselves. So

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you have Hal, the old guard, who is. Is the old

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guard. But I, I like a comparison I heard to

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Maverick from Top Gun. Yeah, more of that. There,

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There's. There's. There's a wild factor to him

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where he's clearly good at his job. He's also

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clearly has a lot of personal issues and needs to

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go to therapy to work them all out. He is also.

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He. He's just flying, also by the seat of his

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pants. He's got. He has feelings. Has very strong

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feelings about aliens. So, So I, I think they just

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set it up where he's rough around the edges. But

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there's also. As a viewer, you're not turned off

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by it, and neither is John.

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>> Will: Right.

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>> Sarah : See that. We see the hesitation, we see the

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annoyance, but it's never a. There. There's still

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a level of respect because. And I think where I

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was going with it, sometimes I have to talk

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through my own lines of thought.

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Is the difference between how they just get

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involved with this whole situation. I mean, we

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hear the story about Hal and there's. It's almost

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like it's, a. A fluke and it could have been

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anyone. It just so happened in him that day.

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Right, right. Meanwhile, we already have the scene

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from John's childhood in 1996 and now coming to

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present day and seeing how is. He's been training

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for this like it is. No, arguably in his mind and

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in his father's mind, there's nothing about that,

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that. About this that they left to chance.

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>> Will: Right.

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>> Sarah : So they did they. Every move that they made to put

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Jon in this position as a trainee was intentional.

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And I also like the theory that's going on around

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there that it's also very intentional that the

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Guardians selected John because he is a very much

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follow the code chain of command, good soldier.

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And we clearly, to go back to the Top Gun

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comparison, have someone who care less.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. Especially Top Gun Maverick. I mean,

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you know, there's definitely the 1980s Maverick,

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but you know, when we see how. And I guess that,

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you know, whenever we saw. I like the Maverick

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combo. Compare the comp there. Because especially

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when you see the map. When we see how in that 60

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Minutes interview when. When John watched him in

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96, he was. He was like the Maverick that we saw

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in. In the first Top Gun, movie.

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>> Sarah : And.

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>> Will: And then, you know, now m. That in. In 2016, I

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definitely feel like Hal is closer to the Maverick

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we saw it in. In. In the most recent Top Gun

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movie. He's a little bit more. He's more cynical,

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more, you know, he. You know, you got these young

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bucks who he. That, he's got it. That he's got to

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train. But you know, it is almost like with John,

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he's like, you know, these. I'm supposed to train

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you. But some of this stuff is just like. It's

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like instinctual. Think about like the great

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football or basketball players, like Michael

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Jordan trying to, you know, tell someone how to

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like, you know, do something that is. That comes

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so effortlessly to him. And you know, and of

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course he's

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>> Sarah : never had to teach anybody before.

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>> Will: Right.

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>> Sarah : And they need that also very clear too, that's

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brought up. I forget in which episode that sectors

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don't have more than one Lantern.

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>> Will: Right? That is correct. That's. That's part of the

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lore. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : That's planning the seed already that this. This

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whole dynamic is not just foreign to Hal, but also

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foreign to the Lantern protocol. So there's

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already something.

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>> Will: Yeah, well, they actually do have. Have backups

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because there is precedent in the comics. Because

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for example.

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>> Sarah : I know. I know that there's a lot of lan.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, but. Yeah, but those usually, There.

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There are set up to be the backups whenever a

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Lantern, you know, either generally. Generally

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dies. Not not the situation here, which I think is

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part of why Hal is so resentful, because he's

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like, you're. I, You know, it's like you're. I'm

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training my replacement. Even though I'm still

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here, I can get the job done.

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>> Sarah : I think it's something else. I think there may be

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a little bit of that, but there's also a

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questioning just of. Okay, how do I put this?

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I think that we don't know exactly what happened

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in terms of this show, in terms of the show

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between Hal and Sinestro.

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>> Will: Okay, we do. Well, we do.

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>> Sarah : We learned this show. Do we? Did they say.

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>> Will: Did I miss it in episode two when Hal. After Hal

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got shot, he kept talking in his sleep.

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>> Sarah : No. Yeah, I understand that. Yeah.

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>> Will: And Sheriff Kane did a Google search and found,

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you know, follow the story that how Sinestro was

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basically a Greenlander and Hal and they tried to

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overthrow the cores. And Hal was the one who

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brought him in, brought. Who brought him justice,

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>> Sarah : Okay. So thank you for reminding me. I remember

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the scene and I knew that subconsciously, but I,

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for some reason I was like hesitant to say for a

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fact. So. So it seems like historically there.

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trying to get at. Yeah, I think there's guilt and

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there is also a distrust he would, see. And this

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is where maybe I used the right word of like, we

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don't know all the details. We know the Google

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search. We. We know the AI generated summary of

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pretty much so. So there, There are a lot of

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nuances there, but could lead to him behaving in a

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very certain way and to have that occur. And then.

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that happened and 2016?

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>> Will: No. And there is a gap because, you know, as, you

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know, whenever one of the things that did happen

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on. On that road after. When what John was walking

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to catch up with how the taco stand, how, you

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know, the consciousness of the rain came out. And,

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around 10 years from the time that he was

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publicly.

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>> Sarah : Right. And that was from 2006, right? Yeah, it all

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goes back to the Sixes. So.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So it's like he. He hasn't booted or, re. Upload.

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Updated his consciousness in. In a time. So thank

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you for reminding me about that because that is

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probably around the same time when this. So then

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it took them 10 years to be like okay, we gotta

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solve our Hal issue. But there, there, I guess at

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the end of the day, what I'm really getting at is

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I do think that there's some distrust not already

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planted between him and the Guardians, but also he

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knows that they don't trust him.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So I don't think he's surprised, but I do think he

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is, given what happened with Sinestro, more than

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willing to question command. He just needs to know

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the facts in order. And I say that because of what

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happens in Nebraska and what we're shown in terms

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of his investigation style. I mean right away

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we're, we're. And I love how it's like this is all

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going to happen at a football field again in the

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stands and on the field, run away from it. So

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there, there's a shooting and when John arrives,

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he's speculative of like why do we think that

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aliens. And, and we, we learn later that it was

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more than just a feeling. That was a very. Yeah,

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it was a feeling, but it was informed by a lot of

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observation. So. And, and, and then even John

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starts to run off the. What arguably the primary

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suspect and almost loses him. But they managed to

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get him arrested and forc. Himself arrested.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, that was, I liked. Yeah, there was so

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many things that were going on there because, you

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know, and, and, and, and whenever. Because you

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know, we're, we're introduced to Sheriff Kane in

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that moment and, and and John is like the eager,

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you know, he's, you know, he's the eager recruit

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trying to train something. Both. But both Hal and

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the sheriff are both like, you know, we've been

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around the block, we've seen some stuff. Even

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though, you know, of course, you know, Hal being a

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smart ass loner that he is, he, you know, he was

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being disrespectful. They got into the whole

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argument over jurisdiction and stuff and. But, but

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they both understood. I think they had both, I

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think they both had an understanding that the,

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each one of them knew more than what they were,

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you know, saying at that moment. And then, and

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then of course John just runs off and you know,

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tips to do it off. You know, Waylon runs. But how

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they, you know, set, set sort of set the stage as

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far as like, you know, showing. Showing the

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detective work of, of Hal Jordan and why they're,

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they're, they are space cops. Sort of down, you

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know, really downplayed the significant. You know,

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the ring is there and it's always omnipresent

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because it's on its finger. You can see it But I

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like the way this show went into, you know, went

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more into the investigative route, detective

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route, as far as far as how, you know, search,

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figuring out what's going on with these aliens and

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stuff, rather than just, you know, relying on the

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ring. And then, of course, when they do use the

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ring, it was like when he did. When, how. The

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first time we see him use, the first time we saw

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him use it, of course, was when he flew off from

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the taco stand to go to Nebraska. But building

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constructs, it was actually to play the. Chris

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struck money to play the jukebox so he can get

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himself arrested. Took off because, you know, the

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sheriff didn't want him to impede her

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investigation because, you know, she also, you

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know, as we, as things develop, she, she, she

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knows about, she, she has inkling about these

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extraterrestrial activities, but I didn't.

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>> Sarah : Inkling.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. Well, she had knowledge.

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>> Sarah : She's in a very interesting situation because

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she's clearly walking a fine line.

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I mean, the first thing we, we, we realize that

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something's not right with Kane is when Jason

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Ritter shows up, the lawyer, and oh yeah, he, he's

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defending Hal and getting him out of his situation

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and posting bail. His father's posted his bail.

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to Kane. They have a quote, unquote, great

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relationship, apparently.

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>> Will: Apparently. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Which then just leads us to the Macon farm. And we

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meet William Macon and we, we learn some really

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interesting. I, I really liked their whole setup

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with William, and the whole idea of colonization.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Just because, I mean, we're on a ranch. It's a

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very rural area, and so there's, he notes about

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the Indians and all of that, but the seeds. And I

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like that use of history and actual reality and

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then how it spears. It's, it lends itself into

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this very science fiction show. Yeah. So I really

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like that angle about just philosophy and, and

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things just get weirder as we go on in Rushville

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with both the Macons and more importantly, the

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town as a whole. I mean, later in episode two,

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when we're in the hospital, I, I, I first liked

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the. Because it didn't. Nobody clocks. You don't

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clock the fact, like, you're not seeing all of

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these patients. There's not 10,000 buzzers

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happening and beep, beep, beep. And. But then you

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clock it the same time Hal does when he's looking

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at the discharge and he's like, okay, I'm not only

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the first.

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>> Will: Right.

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>> Sarah : But there are no back pages Completed. Yeah.

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>> Will: Even in the first episode, you know, even they're

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going back to the stadium when, when the shooting

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happened and, and you know, they clock it too,

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about like, you know, for mass shooting, people

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are awful calm. You know, there's. Where are the

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crime? You know, where's the. Where are the

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relatives? Where are the. You know, it was a very

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calm scene given a. That it was, you know, a

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chaotic situation where four people were killed.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Did it take you long to realize that the

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metal detectors were detecting aliens?

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>> Will: I think the. Well, I don't want to jump ahead too

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much in the episode too, but. Yeah, but yeah, I

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mean, whatever. We got it there at the. Well, how

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clocked it at the. The American Legion is when I

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was like, there's there's some. Something going on

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here with the surveillance in this town.

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>> Sarah : Right. Yeah, the, the presumed safety measures.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : That are presumed to be for humans are. But

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they're not. So. Yeah, it's just we, we meet the

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Macons at the ranch and we learn. Also. Also, I

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love. Hal is a great interrogator.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I mean, he. It's. It's interesting because he has

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this whole dynamic with John. I don't know if

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either one of them are very empathetic, but there,

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There's a distrust and a I don't know you, you

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don't know me kind of situation happening between

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these. And I don't want to do this, but you need

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to do this. And, and yet at the same time, Hal is

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just very good at interrogating and, and figuring

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out people.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Oh. So. And I think maybe that's why he has so

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much trouble with John, is because he can't figure

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him out. His gut probably does tell him something

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is up, but I think it's more directed at, figuring

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out what the Guardians are up to with this whole

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situation than why John.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And I also think he know. Hal knows that John is

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smarter than a lot of these other people that he

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has, like Waylon. So, so, so he has to figure out

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how do I get him to tell me the truth about why

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he's really doing this and why him? And, and then

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the question is, well, even if they tell you the

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truth, do you believe him?

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>> Will: Right.

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>> Sarah : So there's all, all of that happening to. But I,

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but I say that because during this whole exchange,

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Hal. Hal immediately knows that or, figures out

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that there's an NDA about the benefactor of this

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compound. William is not the benefactor. So all of

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this money, all of this alien technology is not

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coming directly From William. It's coming from a

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benefactor of sorts.

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You know, the other thing that happens that's a

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non Hal related story point in this episode is

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John and Zoe. Okay, I'm, just gonna go on record.

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That was the most awkward sex scene I have ever

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seen on here.

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>> Will: It was pretty awkward.

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>> Sarah : It was so weird. It was so weird. And I get it.

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They. I mean, coming out of the two episodes, it's

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kind of like. So Zoe's the benefactor. Is that. Is

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that what's happening here? But I also think

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that's a bit too obvious.

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>> Will: Yeah, I don't think. Yeah, given. Given. I don't

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think that's the case. And we'll. Yeah, we can.

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Yeah, but it was. But, you know, to that point,

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though, whenever, you know, all the time. How. But

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it was just like, you know, begrudge, you know,

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taking any opportunity just to, like, you know,

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not compliment John about anything. But he was

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impressed that he was just like you just met. He

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was pretty impressed with, how, you know, we only

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been out of town for a day, already hooked up.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, he's, like, trying to do the math in his

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head. When did you have time? Oh, well, there was

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that time when I was getting.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : When I got taken away by the cops. So, he did have

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a night. Technically, he had a night. Zoe. I mean,

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she's clearly listening in on their conversation

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the entire time.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And she. She knows who they are. She. I. I don't

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think it was just by chance she was at the bar

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that night. I don't think it's by chance. In

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episode two, she's at the diner that night. I. And

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that's where, even if she's not the Benefactor,

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per se, she is. I would not be surprised if she's

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an alien of some other sort, because, you know,

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that. That kind of stuff happens all the time

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where your villain. Who's this? Yeah.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Well, I don't know where else to go, so if you're

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gonna.

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>> Will: Well, no, I mean, let's just finish. Let's just

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finish.

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00:23:25,610 --> 00:23:29,730
>> Sarah : Who likes to put a pin in things? Yeah. To a new

490
00:23:29,730 --> 00:23:30,100
point. Yeah.

491
00:23:30,100 --> 00:23:32,060
>> Will: no, no, I was gonna. I mean, I think we're. I

492
00:23:32,060 --> 00:23:35,480
mean, although we. We. I think this really from.

493
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,520
From episode one, you know, given our. You know,

494
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,800
given the time jumps with the. With, you know, we

495
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,920
do see. We do get the time jump to present day,

496
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,400
2026, and we see John and. And. And Kate and

497
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,520
Sheriff Kane back at a stadium. And then, of

498
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,520
course, we find. We find how they're dead.

499
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,720
>> Sarah : Yeah, he has no ring on or does he have a ring I

500
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:54,600
couldn't really see?

501
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:55,560
>> Will: No ring.

502
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:56,360
>> Sarah : No ring.

503
00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:57,160
>> Will: Yeah, no ring.

504
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,840
Bullet to the head and. Which, you know, I know

505
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,000
there's been a lot of discourse about, you know,

506
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,380
whether or not this was, you know, how people

507
00:24:05,380 --> 00:24:07,740
reacted to this as far as, like, is this

508
00:24:07,820 --> 00:24:11,260
respectful to Hal Jordan or not? The legacy

509
00:24:11,260 --> 00:24:13,700
character. What. But I mean, just, just, just

510
00:24:13,700 --> 00:24:15,900
taking it to the comics just for a second. I mean,

511
00:24:15,980 --> 00:24:19,099
there is precedent for, for Hal dying in the

512
00:24:19,099 --> 00:24:22,620
comics. Like, like, you know, like every DC hero,

513
00:24:22,620 --> 00:24:23,980
you know, as far as Silver Age.

514
00:24:24,940 --> 00:24:25,300
>> Sarah : Yeah.

515
00:24:25,300 --> 00:24:27,100
>> Will: It's like Barry Allen, you know, you know, his,

516
00:24:27,660 --> 00:24:29,900
you know, what is one of his best friends also,

517
00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:31,820
you know, died and went away. But yeah, with Hal

518
00:24:31,820 --> 00:24:35,510
in Hal's situation, he sacrificed himself. He. Hal

519
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:39,590
went crazy after Coast City was destroyed and he

520
00:24:39,670 --> 00:24:43,710
became, Parallax and then whatever. But he went

521
00:24:43,710 --> 00:24:47,390
back to the good side and sacrificed himself in

522
00:24:47,390 --> 00:24:47,950
the comic.

523
00:24:47,950 --> 00:24:52,030
>> Sarah : And then I think the more important thing will

524
00:24:52,030 --> 00:24:54,590
that I have to ask you is do you believe that in

525
00:24:54,590 --> 00:24:56,390
terms of this show, he is dead?

526
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:59,390
>> Will: I think they are adapting the lore for this show.

527
00:24:59,390 --> 00:25:02,030
Yeah, I think so. I think end of season one, I

528
00:25:02,030 --> 00:25:04,320
think we'll find that Hal is indeed dead.

529
00:25:04,270 --> 00:25:07,750
especially given. And I think the clues that lead

530
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:10,390
to that are basically going back to Superman

531
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:12,590
because at this point, Guy Gardner has to ring

532
00:25:12,590 --> 00:25:12,910
and.

533
00:25:12,910 --> 00:25:15,950
>> Sarah : Well, what year did Superman took place in?

534
00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:16,670
>> Will: 2025.

535
00:25:16,670 --> 00:25:18,390
>> Sarah : And 2025. Okay.

536
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:20,470
>> Will: Yeah. Ah, Amanda tomorrow, which is, you know,

537
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:22,870
that's being filmed right now, will be 2027. So,

538
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:25,710
you know, chronologically, you know, in this, in

539
00:25:26,270 --> 00:25:26,910
real time.

540
00:25:27,470 --> 00:25:27,870
>> Sarah : So.

541
00:25:28,350 --> 00:25:30,150
>> Will: So, yeah, so how is that.

542
00:25:30,150 --> 00:25:33,550
>> Sarah : And I think, how unfortunate for John to go from

543
00:25:33,550 --> 00:25:38,650
Hal as a boss and a leader or to Guy Gardner.

544
00:25:38,810 --> 00:25:41,770
What? John. John. You got the short end of that

545
00:25:42,090 --> 00:25:46,180
stick. My God. this went from. Well, I think I.

546
00:25:46,260 --> 00:25:48,180
>> Will: But something happened. But we, you know, we do

547
00:25:48,180 --> 00:25:50,860
have 10 years there between, you know, why, you

548
00:25:50,860 --> 00:25:53,020
know, so I guess to me is. The question becomes

549
00:25:53,020 --> 00:25:57,820
for me is what happened that John did not get the

550
00:25:57,820 --> 00:25:59,580
ring? You know, especially given that they were

551
00:25:59,580 --> 00:26:02,380
training him, you know, for. For the role. And it

552
00:26:02,380 --> 00:26:04,820
did end up with Guy Gardner and the guy is showing

553
00:26:04,820 --> 00:26:07,410
up. Yeah. So maybe we'll get some answers to that.

554
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,880
>> Sarah : Oh, I. Of course. I mean, the show has to give us

555
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,880
answers. If you're gonna ask questions, you have

556
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,960
to give answers to those. And this show also will

557
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,890
probably get renewed for season two, if it hasn't

558
00:26:18,890 --> 00:26:21,930
already. So. And I don't think there. And, And I

559
00:26:21,930 --> 00:26:24,890
just Want to preface this because Will very much

560
00:26:24,890 --> 00:26:28,930
could be spot on with his analysis, given what he

561
00:26:28,930 --> 00:26:31,650
understands about the lore and everything. He made

562
00:26:31,650 --> 00:26:34,400
a compelling argument. However, I just want to

563
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,800
clarify, even though I'm in agreement with like,

564
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,840
okay, so after listening to that probabilities

565
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,120
that Hal is indeed dead as of 2026, perfectly

566
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:46,680
fine. But this show has already jumped plenty of

567
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,990
timelines. So we ain't done, with Kyle Chandler.

568
00:26:48,990 --> 00:26:49,830
>> Will: No, no, no, no.

569
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:52,550
>> Sarah : And there's plenty of story left to be told of

570
00:26:52,550 --> 00:26:57,190
him. Yeah, so. So they. They got some space now

571
00:26:57,270 --> 00:27:00,830
because it also occurs at this very famous

572
00:27:00,910 --> 00:27:06,150
Nebraskan ball field in 2026. The question that.

573
00:27:06,150 --> 00:27:09,030
Then the next question I have is, are, are the

574
00:27:09,030 --> 00:27:12,390
events of season one leading up to that, or did

575
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:15,870
they plant the seed for a larger question to be

576
00:27:15,870 --> 00:27:18,670
answered in a later season? That's a good point,

577
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:21,950
because predominantly, like, just go back to it.

578
00:27:22,030 --> 00:27:26,830
These two episodes we spend in 20, 2016, we get

579
00:27:26,910 --> 00:27:30,530
one clash forward. So because they. They end

580
00:27:30,770 --> 00:27:34,370
episode one with the flash forward to 2026 where

581
00:27:34,370 --> 00:27:36,610
Hal's dead, and then they end the second episode

582
00:27:36,610 --> 00:27:38,850
with Sinesta. I really like the second episode.

583
00:27:38,850 --> 00:27:43,090
Yeah, well, I liked it because it is called Trust

584
00:27:43,090 --> 00:27:46,170
Fall. While John's middle middling. Oh, my God.

585
00:27:46,170 --> 00:27:49,370
IMDb what kind of vocabulary do you want me to

586
00:27:49,370 --> 00:27:53,440
have? His, his middling Eren ultimately proves

587
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,180
uneventful. Or it proves eventful. How? Makes

588
00:27:57,180 --> 00:28:00,620
waves in Rushville, which only inspires him to dig

589
00:28:00,700 --> 00:28:05,260
deeper. You know, driving around with a bunch of

590
00:28:05,260 --> 00:28:06,940
stolen corsets.

591
00:28:07,180 --> 00:28:07,660
>> Will: Yes.

592
00:28:07,740 --> 00:28:11,020
>> Sarah : That is. That is not just making waves. That is

593
00:28:11,180 --> 00:28:11,820
insane.

594
00:28:12,060 --> 00:28:12,540
>> Will: Yeah.

595
00:28:12,940 --> 00:28:15,210
>> Sarah : You know, and. And you're just like, yeah, I can

596
00:28:15,210 --> 00:28:17,810
see how this is the same universe that Peacemaker

597
00:28:17,810 --> 00:28:20,090
is running around all of a sudden. I get it.

598
00:28:20,420 --> 00:28:20,660
>> Will: Yep.

599
00:28:20,660 --> 00:28:21,100
>> Sarah : Let's.

600
00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:24,220
Let's talk about the bird. Let's get the bird out

601
00:28:24,220 --> 00:28:28,580
of the way. The. The bird that. So we finally,

602
00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:31,860
after one episode, we get the first quote unquote

603
00:28:32,020 --> 00:28:36,179
flying lesson. And the lesson is, I fly like

604
00:28:36,179 --> 00:28:37,300
>> Will: I like to think.

605
00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:39,980
>> Sarah : And you're just like. And you're thinking just

606
00:28:39,980 --> 00:28:43,060
like John. You're like, that easy. It can't be. So

607
00:28:43,060 --> 00:28:48,220
instead he. Whatever he thinks or whatever

608
00:28:48,220 --> 00:28:52,460
happens, he ends up creating a living, breathing

609
00:28:52,860 --> 00:28:56,660
bird that not only, like, he doesn't just create

610
00:28:56,660 --> 00:28:59,740
it, it's living and breathing, but it also. He

611
00:28:59,740 --> 00:29:02,340
pulls a Snow White and it just goes and lands

612
00:29:02,340 --> 00:29:04,260
perfectly on his shoulder like it's his best

613
00:29:04,260 --> 00:29:07,100
friend forever. Yeah, it's like eagly.

614
00:29:07,340 --> 00:29:08,580
>> Will: Yeah, it is eager.

615
00:29:08,580 --> 00:29:13,240
>> Sarah : Yeah, very much eagly. And, you know, most Mentors

616
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,690
would be proud. And, Hal is more like, what the.

617
00:29:16,690 --> 00:29:17,210
>> Will: Is it?

618
00:29:17,690 --> 00:29:20,090
>> Sarah : You going back to my house? You're hitting the

619
00:29:20,090 --> 00:29:23,050
road. I can't deal with you and your bird. So he.

620
00:29:23,050 --> 00:29:25,970
He makes them go to get the lantern that he needs

621
00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:29,650
to recharge. Charge the wing. The ring. Sorry, I

622
00:29:29,650 --> 00:29:30,730
got wings on the mind.

623
00:29:30,890 --> 00:29:31,730
>> Will: Yeah, that's okay.

624
00:29:31,730 --> 00:29:36,130
>> Sarah : And. And John has to not only take the bird with

625
00:29:36,130 --> 00:29:37,130
him, but keep it alive.

626
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:37,920
>> Will: Yeah.

627
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,160
>> Sarah : Because it requires concentration. So if you lose

628
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,520
concentration, the bird goes away. It's a test.

629
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,800
He's. He's mentoring, Will. He's mentoring.

630
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:46,680
>> Will: He is mentoring.

631
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:47,200
>> Sarah : Yeah. yeah.

632
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,440
>> Will: Yeah. Don't lose that. Don't let that bird fail.

633
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,520
That's your. Don't you fail. You lose that bird.

634
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,960
>> Sarah : And I like this because for an episode, like, for

635
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,600
the second episode, suddenly our two main leads

636
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:00,480
are separated.

637
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:01,200
>> Will: Yep.

638
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,690
>> Sarah : It didn't feel like it.

639
00:30:03,930 --> 00:30:05,930
>> Will: No, no. I was just thinking that same thing.

640
00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:09,090
>> Sarah : You have the intro. Start with them in this bird

641
00:30:09,090 --> 00:30:12,410
and have the ending start and end with the bird.

642
00:30:13,370 --> 00:30:16,090
And then even there's a middle section where he's

643
00:30:16,090 --> 00:30:20,410
calling him while stealing the. The corpses. Like,

644
00:30:20,970 --> 00:30:24,730
it felt very connected. So I. And.

645
00:30:24,730 --> 00:30:29,450
And ultimately, I think we get that because of the

646
00:30:29,690 --> 00:30:33,600
man hunter of it all that occurs in this while,

647
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:39,200
while John is out of Rushville, we unintentionally

648
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,160
stumble upon more information about what actually

649
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,360
happened that night at the football field in 2016.

650
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,680
Still unclear about 2026. Just to clarify. And I.

651
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,080
This whole conversation with. And I'm gonna

652
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,720
butcher this. Anton.

653
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,200
>> Will: Anton. Yeah.

654
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,240
>> Sarah : Anton. Anton. So what. What race is he?

655
00:31:00,710 --> 00:31:03,110
>> Will: You know, there weren't. Yeah, they were not clear

656
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:06,990
what Right. Race he was from. All we know is that

657
00:31:06,990 --> 00:31:09,150
there was, you know, genocide happened on this

658
00:31:09,150 --> 00:31:11,590
planet. It was due to the m. Due to the Manhunter.

659
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:14,430
The Manhunters are not to be confused with the Jon

660
00:31:14,430 --> 00:31:16,389
Jones, the Martian Manhunter. But these were the

661
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:18,710
Manhunters that were created by the Guardians,

662
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,820
before the Green Lantern Corps came into being.

663
00:31:22,140 --> 00:31:22,540
So.

664
00:31:23,020 --> 00:31:23,820
>> Sarah : Fascinating.

665
00:31:24,140 --> 00:31:27,930
>> Will: Yeah. So these. Yeah. And. And. And, you know, so.

666
00:31:27,930 --> 00:31:29,610
And that was part of the reason why the Guardians

667
00:31:29,610 --> 00:31:31,530
were like, no, we got it. We. We got it. We gotta

668
00:31:31,530 --> 00:31:33,450
end these guys. But the thing is, they could also

669
00:31:33,450 --> 00:31:35,250
create the synthetic life forms. Which, you know,

670
00:31:35,250 --> 00:31:36,770
again, goes back to, like, we were talking about

671
00:31:36,770 --> 00:31:38,810
the metal detectors. And even going back to the

672
00:31:38,810 --> 00:31:41,570
interrogation with Waylon in episode one, you

673
00:31:41,570 --> 00:31:43,580
know, being able. You know, I think it was. I,

674
00:31:43,580 --> 00:31:45,700
think John had maybe mentioned. Or was it how.

675
00:31:46,020 --> 00:31:48,740
But, you know, basically, you know. Oh, yeah.

676
00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:50,460
With, like, 14 beings. I think that can, like,

677
00:31:50,460 --> 00:31:52,500
completely. It was John that can completely, like,

678
00:31:52,660 --> 00:31:54,800
you know, make themselves appear human.

679
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:55,680
>> Sarah : Yep.

680
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,840
>> Will: So, yeah. So, you know, so I loved how these two,

681
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,640
how all of these things are really tying together

682
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,400
as far as with metal detectors, with what's going

683
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,280
on in Rushville. To your point about. Even though

684
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,039
they're separate, they still, their stories are

685
00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:11,720
still intertwined. They're just learning different

686
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:12,560
things, you know,

687
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,440
>> Sarah : and share and then sharing the information. Which

688
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,840
was a question. Yeah, that was in the later part

689
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,690
of this. But it was, I think it was just really

690
00:32:21,690 --> 00:32:25,690
good writing, the choice to have us only watch

691
00:32:25,850 --> 00:32:29,770
John experience it on his face. It's not like

692
00:32:29,770 --> 00:32:34,090
suddenly the visor goes on and, and we are

693
00:32:34,090 --> 00:32:37,570
transported into what happened. Like, we as an

694
00:32:37,570 --> 00:32:40,490
audience did not witness it or did not experience

695
00:32:40,810 --> 00:32:43,730
it, but we watched John experience it.

696
00:32:43,730 --> 00:32:44,570
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

697
00:32:44,890 --> 00:32:48,730
>> Sarah : So you, you already know, and they use some choice

698
00:32:48,730 --> 00:32:51,960
words, and we know our history, so we know what

699
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,120
that all means, and we can only. We know that,

700
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,560
that loss and that. So I, I, I, I just really

701
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,200
wanted to point out that, that they made a choice

702
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,120
there that I really appreciated, especially given

703
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,560
a show with plenty of money behind it, you know?

704
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:08,040
>> Will: Yeah.

705
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,040
>> Sarah : Because they could have done that, but then. Yeah,

706
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,760
but that wasn't necessary. It made it more human.

707
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,720
>> Will: Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. I hear people talk about

708
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,150
grounded, and that's where this is where the

709
00:33:19,150 --> 00:33:21,150
grounding work, really. This is what it really

710
00:33:21,150 --> 00:33:23,070
means to be grounded. It's like letting the

711
00:33:23,070 --> 00:33:25,110
audience, you know, letting the exposition and

712
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:27,830
letting, like. And I think you're spot on there,

713
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:30,470
letting Aaron Pierre with the acting and, you

714
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:34,830
know, having Jon Stewart show on his face and the

715
00:33:34,830 --> 00:33:37,270
tears and everything, you know, how devastating

716
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:40,750
what, what they imprinted in his mind.

717
00:33:40,750 --> 00:33:44,150
>> Sarah : And it's purposeful. Yeah, it is. It is purposeful

718
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:49,240
in terms of Anton making sure that John

719
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:54,520
understands why he has to figure this out. And,

720
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:59,400
and, and so essentially, what happened days prior

721
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:04,000
at the football field was Anton's men went to that

722
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,250
game, were caught by the Metal Tide Hectors, and,

723
00:34:07,460 --> 00:34:11,020
it was Macon's men who took them out and those. So

724
00:34:11,020 --> 00:34:14,260
it wasn't human bodies that died. It was alien

725
00:34:14,260 --> 00:34:14,740
bodies.

726
00:34:15,460 --> 00:34:18,500
Hence, as Will pointed out, they weren't that sad.

727
00:34:18,740 --> 00:34:22,020
Nobody's losing sleep like, oh, my neighbor or

728
00:34:22,020 --> 00:34:26,300
anything. So, so, and, and then Waylon was also a

729
00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:29,820
part of that, and that was him who was sent on

730
00:34:29,820 --> 00:34:32,340
this mission because they were sent on the mission

731
00:34:32,340 --> 00:34:36,500
because the Manhunter who committed this genocide

732
00:34:36,660 --> 00:34:41,679
is known to have been captured by a lantern and

733
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:45,719
taken Rushville by. Yep. And then there are more

734
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,719
dots And I think it also works because John,

735
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,119
through this experience, gets pieces of the

736
00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:55,559
puzzle, and they already teased in. Or in. Tease

737
00:34:55,559 --> 00:34:57,729
is, maybe not the right word, but they already

738
00:34:57,729 --> 00:35:01,329
started that conversation about Hal's origin in

739
00:35:01,329 --> 00:35:02,089
Rushville.

740
00:35:02,329 --> 00:35:02,889
>> Will: Yep.

741
00:35:02,969 --> 00:35:08,080
>> Sarah : And so. So Hal also carries a piece of the puzzle

742
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,520
as well. Yeah, so. So I like that how it didn't

743
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,040
feel like we were learning something ahead of John

744
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:16,920
or Hal.

745
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,640
>> Will: Exactly. Boom. Yeah. That's what I really like.

746
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,759
Yeah, we. That. I think that's one of the. What

747
00:35:21,759 --> 00:35:23,760
I've liked about this show so far, because I know

748
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,880
we've talked in the past with that. With shows

749
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,210
where we, as audience members are like, ahead of,

750
00:35:29,210 --> 00:35:30,890
like, the characters on the show and how

751
00:35:30,890 --> 00:35:31,700
frustrating that is.

752
00:35:32,010 --> 00:35:32,410
>> Sarah : Yep.

753
00:35:32,490 --> 00:35:35,210
>> Will: We are. We are learning the puzzle just as they

754
00:35:35,210 --> 00:35:38,290
are. And I think that is a great writing choice by

755
00:35:38,290 --> 00:35:40,290
the. By the creative team to do that.

756
00:35:40,290 --> 00:35:41,130
>> Sarah : Absolutely.

757
00:35:41,690 --> 00:35:45,650
Also great writing choice to meet Earl. Yes. I

758
00:35:45,650 --> 00:35:48,370
mean. I mean, we met him. I was hoping for a

759
00:35:48,370 --> 00:35:51,920
little bit more, but, But. But I like it. I mean,

760
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:52,680
we got the bird.

761
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,080
>> Will: We got the bird. We like Earl. And also, too, I

762
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,880
think it really, you know, it gets into what

763
00:35:58,130 --> 00:36:00,810
Carrie was talking about earlier with. About Hal

764
00:36:00,810 --> 00:36:03,250
and his loneliness because, you know, we learned.

765
00:36:03,410 --> 00:36:06,370
Yeah, we. Yeah. You know, we see this house. It's

766
00:36:06,370 --> 00:36:08,050
like, you know, and even whenever he. And when

767
00:36:08,050 --> 00:36:09,770
John and Hal are talking, it's like, I do live

768
00:36:09,770 --> 00:36:14,050
there, but it's just. It's. It's. It's empty. And

769
00:36:14,050 --> 00:36:16,090
except for, you know, the pocket dimension where

770
00:36:16,090 --> 00:36:18,690
the. Where the lantern's being held and. And the

771
00:36:18,690 --> 00:36:21,490
suits and Earl, you know, who's in the garden, in

772
00:36:21,490 --> 00:36:23,420
the heart, in the house. But, I think we learn

773
00:36:23,420 --> 00:36:26,140
more about how. We learn so much about how when

774
00:36:26,140 --> 00:36:29,390
John both there in the house, that he was, like,

775
00:36:29,390 --> 00:36:32,230
gifted because he, you know, saved someone. And

776
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:34,430
then also seeing, you know, where he puts his

777
00:36:34,430 --> 00:36:36,750
care, which is clearly the things in that

778
00:36:36,750 --> 00:36:38,470
greenhouse because of, you know, all the things

779
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:40,070
he's learned over the years as far as being a

780
00:36:40,070 --> 00:36:41,750
lantern and what he. What he cares about.

781
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:44,680
>> Sarah : Well, it just. I think it, You. You hit it more

782
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,560
when you brought up the loneliness comment.

783
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:47,320
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

784
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,720
>> Sarah : That it was a house, but it wasn't a home.

785
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:50,520
>> Will: Home. Yeah.

786
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,200
>> Sarah : Yeah. And he. And we don't know the backstory

787
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,680
about Earl. I'm sure we'll get it at some point.

788
00:36:57,010 --> 00:36:59,170
Yeah, But. But there was a lot there. And

789
00:36:59,170 --> 00:37:02,810
simultaneously, yes, John is still very much an

790
00:37:02,810 --> 00:37:06,330
enigma, but we also were getting context clues

791
00:37:06,330 --> 00:37:09,730
with him. I'm. I'm with How. I had the question

792
00:37:09,730 --> 00:37:12,809
too at the end of the episode. What is up with the

793
00:37:12,809 --> 00:37:15,650
bird? He could have done anything. He could have.

794
00:37:15,890 --> 00:37:18,780
I mean, clearly. And and I like that other point

795
00:37:18,780 --> 00:37:22,380
that Anton brings up and is just where he pointed

796
00:37:22,380 --> 00:37:26,310
out. You don't, you don't get it. You made a

797
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:29,380
living, breathing thing, that is not a simple

798
00:37:29,380 --> 00:37:32,700
contract. And you are keeping it alive, did the

799
00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:33,500
impossible.

800
00:37:33,580 --> 00:37:34,020
>> Will: Yeah.

801
00:37:34,020 --> 00:37:38,060
>> Sarah : You. You're basically stood with your ring or the

802
00:37:38,060 --> 00:37:41,020
ring. You. You created life.

803
00:37:41,340 --> 00:37:41,900
>> Will: Yeah.

804
00:37:41,980 --> 00:37:46,090
>> Sarah : And so far. And then. And he proved it even at the

805
00:37:46,090 --> 00:37:48,850
end when he didn't answer the question, which was

806
00:37:48,850 --> 00:37:51,890
John, I'm gonna say this to you directly. Very

807
00:37:51,890 --> 00:37:57,130
annoying. He. He also just emphasized Anton's

808
00:37:57,130 --> 00:37:59,650
point. He. He created life and then he took it

809
00:37:59,650 --> 00:37:59,890
away.

810
00:37:59,890 --> 00:38:01,010
>> Will: Took it away. Yeah.

811
00:38:01,090 --> 00:38:02,210
>> Sarah : That is scary.

812
00:38:02,370 --> 00:38:04,850
>> Will: Yeah, that's scary. I mean, yeah, I know that

813
00:38:04,850 --> 00:38:07,530
it's. There are a couple things there. One thing I

814
00:38:07,530 --> 00:38:11,060
noticed, when, when John went back in the previous

815
00:38:11,060 --> 00:38:13,460
episode, you know, he had a little sketchbook and,

816
00:38:13,460 --> 00:38:16,040
and, and I don't. They haven't established it yet

817
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,600
in the show and I wonder if they will. I mean, we

818
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,480
know he's a marine. We know he was a sniper and

819
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,320
stuff, especially whenever he was treat, you know,

820
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,890
teaching Noah, how to throw the football. And he,

821
00:38:23,890 --> 00:38:25,930
and we learned later that the kid became all State

822
00:38:25,930 --> 00:38:29,810
in 2026. But you know, John historic. His, his,

823
00:38:30,129 --> 00:38:32,770
you know, in addition to being a M. Sniper and

824
00:38:32,770 --> 00:38:34,890
Marine, he was also. He's also an architect. And

825
00:38:34,890 --> 00:38:36,650
you know, and so at least at this, you know, so we

826
00:38:36,650 --> 00:38:39,370
saw, you know, so that construct really gets into.

827
00:38:39,370 --> 00:38:40,950
And that what I was saying earlier in the episode,

828
00:38:41,260 --> 00:38:43,180
in our discussion about the use of the power,

829
00:38:43,180 --> 00:38:45,980
about power is like how these people use the power

830
00:38:46,380 --> 00:38:51,100
and you know, of the ring. And so like Anton

831
00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:54,550
noting how he created that, John did basically

832
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:58,550
create a life and how his constructs are really,

833
00:38:58,550 --> 00:39:00,750
you know, built down to the engineering level.

834
00:39:00,750 --> 00:39:03,390
Whereas Hal, in his flying lessons, in his

835
00:39:03,390 --> 00:39:05,360
constructs, you know, seems to be like, you, know,

836
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,050
it's all instinct, intuition, just raw feeling and

837
00:39:09,050 --> 00:39:13,690
will. John's is more methodical and planned and

838
00:39:14,010 --> 00:39:16,810
more intricate. So it definitely like, you know,

839
00:39:17,210 --> 00:39:19,810
there was a lot in that construct that John

840
00:39:19,810 --> 00:39:22,170
created that was on display there in addition to

841
00:39:22,170 --> 00:39:24,770
like his response to Hal there at the end as far

842
00:39:24,770 --> 00:39:28,290
as, you know, poofing it away. And also too, also

843
00:39:28,290 --> 00:39:31,050
I know you talked about, you know, Hal's trust of

844
00:39:31,050 --> 00:39:34,790
John, but also just John's trust of Hal and, and

845
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:37,110
how he, you know, because that was another Thing,

846
00:39:37,110 --> 00:39:39,350
too. Anton was just trying to, you know, how you

847
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:41,870
was getting at is. With. With. With the. The

848
00:39:41,870 --> 00:39:44,190
conversation there as far as how much you. How

849
00:39:44,190 --> 00:39:47,750
much is. Should John trust Al Jordan? And John did

850
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:50,990
basically, like, decide, I'm going to share some

851
00:39:50,990 --> 00:39:53,880
information here. So that, you know. Which was

852
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,920
good because it did help Hal, but start putting

853
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,600
the pieces together as far as, you know, what's

854
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,400
going on here and how the Manhunter is tied to

855
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,430
Abuser. and, you know, the, you know, and of

856
00:40:02,430 --> 00:40:04,470
course, having to go off to, you know, go to Owen

857
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:06,610
and, like, meet up with Sinestro.

858
00:40:06,610 --> 00:40:09,410
>> Sarah : Yeah, he. He told the truth about the Manhunter

859
00:40:09,570 --> 00:40:14,050
being in Rushville, which is very important. And.

860
00:40:14,450 --> 00:40:17,250
And I mean, since you already brought it up. But

861
00:40:17,250 --> 00:40:21,770
Sinestro ends the episode with, like. Because Hal

862
00:40:21,770 --> 00:40:24,490
goes to him for information about Manhunters, and

863
00:40:24,490 --> 00:40:27,450
his response, if one still existed, that would be

864
00:40:27,450 --> 00:40:29,650
the second greatest threat that you're currently

865
00:40:29,730 --> 00:40:32,450
facing. So now, why don't you tell me about Jon

866
00:40:32,750 --> 00:40:33,070
Stuart.

867
00:40:33,070 --> 00:40:33,470
>> Will: Stuart.

868
00:40:33,470 --> 00:40:35,150
>> Sarah : Yeah. Very good ending.

869
00:40:35,150 --> 00:40:38,870
I want to go back to John and Zoe. Zoe. Because

870
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:42,350
there's another moment in this episode where they

871
00:40:42,350 --> 00:40:45,190
continue to talk about their white men. Yep. Now

872
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:48,030
that we both know they both have white men, I. I

873
00:40:48,030 --> 00:40:50,830
thought that the conversation. Even though I'm

874
00:40:50,830 --> 00:40:53,390
skeptical of Zoe because she's just always there,

875
00:40:53,870 --> 00:40:57,260
and that, that awkward sex scene. Okay, okay.

876
00:40:57,260 --> 00:40:59,700
Never. Never. Not going to be skeptical after

877
00:40:59,700 --> 00:41:02,460
that. I mean, it's Aaron Pierre. Come on, get

878
00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:04,910
your. You could have done more, but whatever.

879
00:41:04,910 --> 00:41:07,990
Anyway. But the fact that they're both minorities

880
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:10,790
having this conversation, like a continued

881
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:13,470
conversation about these white men and the

882
00:41:13,470 --> 00:41:16,510
privilege. I mean, it goes off. Goes back to that

883
00:41:16,510 --> 00:41:20,270
line you brought up earlier between John and his

884
00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:24,390
father about, like, the subtleness of it, about,

885
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:28,470
well, well, they can do that, but we can't.

886
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:31,510
There's a reason why they are saying things a

887
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:34,310
certain way, too. And I thought that was really.

888
00:41:34,850 --> 00:41:37,720
But, it was an interesting conversation to

889
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:41,640
contextualize more of Zoe's relationship with her

890
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:46,760
husband as well as John's relationship with his

891
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:54,560
mentor. Slash, whatever. Whatever Al is to him. I

892
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,600
don't know if they're friends. I don't think.

893
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,600
They're definitely not enemies.

894
00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:59,720
>> Will: They're not. Yeah.

895
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,880
>> Sarah : Exist. There's a co. There's cohabitation

896
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:03,440
happening.

897
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,520
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. They're. They're thrust together.

898
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,880
Yeah. We. But yeah, you know, get back to. To that

899
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,640
point as far as the. The. The discussion there

900
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,640
with Zoe and. And. And. And John. And, you know, I

901
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,200
know earlier I was like, let's put a pin In. In

902
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,880
it. As far as the, you know, the Benefactor. And.

903
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,000
And, you know, I know some folks were, you know,

904
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,720
could she be the benefactor? And I think you're

905
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:26,560
right. It'd just be like, I think lazy writing to

906
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,580
make her like, be the benefactor. One, two. I. I

907
00:42:30,580 --> 00:42:33,580
don't think she would, you know, the. The dynamic.

908
00:42:33,580 --> 00:42:33,900
>> Sarah : The.

909
00:42:33,900 --> 00:42:36,860
>> Will: The. The whole. The whole conversation about the,

910
00:42:36,940 --> 00:42:39,340
you know, how's your white man? This wouldn't.

911
00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:43,340
Would be undercut if you made her the Benefactor.

912
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,380
I mean, because I think. I mean, they're making it

913
00:42:45,380 --> 00:42:48,980
very clear that William Macon here is the. Is the,

914
00:42:48,980 --> 00:42:51,300
you know, the power behind, you know, he's the

915
00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:53,020
driving force as far as, you know, building this

916
00:42:53,020 --> 00:42:55,380
compound that holds xenophobia, you know,

917
00:42:55,380 --> 00:42:58,460
xenophobia as far as, you know, colonization with

918
00:42:58,460 --> 00:43:01,980
aliens and all that kind of stuff. So there's just

919
00:43:01,980 --> 00:43:04,700
a way that, you know, the. These conversations are

920
00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:07,660
being had. I think, you know, lends itself for not

921
00:43:07,660 --> 00:43:11,060
her not being a benefactor, but definitely, you

922
00:43:11,060 --> 00:43:13,100
know, definitely benefiting from, you know, being

923
00:43:13,100 --> 00:43:13,660
part of that.

924
00:43:13,660 --> 00:43:13,940
>> Sarah : Who.

925
00:43:13,940 --> 00:43:15,300
Who is the benefactor?

926
00:43:15,540 --> 00:43:18,260
>> Will: I don't know. I honestly don't know. I mean, I,

927
00:43:18,260 --> 00:43:20,340
you know, one thought I had. Could it be, you

928
00:43:20,340 --> 00:43:23,650
know, it did cross my mind, you know, maybe it

929
00:43:23,650 --> 00:43:26,130
could be Sheriff Kane. You know, of course, you

930
00:43:26,130 --> 00:43:28,410
know, we do learn a little bit more about her, you

931
00:43:28,410 --> 00:43:30,610
know, given that, you know, whenever she and Tyler

932
00:43:30,610 --> 00:43:32,410
talk and we learned in the hospital, there's, you

933
00:43:32,410 --> 00:43:34,450
know, we do learn she's from Gotham. So, of

934
00:43:34,450 --> 00:43:37,410
course, you know, the Kane name of, you know,

935
00:43:37,410 --> 00:43:40,450
there is Bruce. The canes are, you know, related

936
00:43:40,450 --> 00:43:43,290
to Bruce Wayne, as far as, you know, being Bruce's

937
00:43:43,290 --> 00:43:45,930
cousin. So definitely, you know, so, you know, of

938
00:43:45,930 --> 00:43:48,090
course, Kate Kane, of course, is Batwoman. So I

939
00:43:48,090 --> 00:43:49,970
was just like, you know, and how she, you know,

940
00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:51,890
also too is like, you know, we do get into the

941
00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:54,470
question, how does she end up in Rushville? All

942
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:57,590
places, you know, you go from Gotham to, you know,

943
00:43:57,670 --> 00:44:00,310
so there's that, you know, so. So maybe she's the

944
00:44:00,310 --> 00:44:02,470
benefactor or tied to the benefactor, and maybe

945
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:04,950
that's why she sounds more.

946
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:08,230
>> Sarah : More appropriate. I think it's interesting that.

947
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:11,750
To go back to the 2026 flash forward.

948
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:12,430
>> Will: Yeah.

949
00:44:12,430 --> 00:44:17,110
>> Sarah : John's question when he meets. Meets Kane at the

950
00:44:17,110 --> 00:44:20,720
field is how's. How's Noah doing? Yeah, well, so

951
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:23,110
it's just, It's just. And maybe it's because he

952
00:44:23,110 --> 00:44:25,390
had that moment with the throwing of the football

953
00:44:25,550 --> 00:44:29,070
around and. And knowing and. And wanting to know,

954
00:44:29,070 --> 00:44:31,830
but, you know, the grandson's involved. I'm not

955
00:44:31,830 --> 00:44:34,350
saying the grandson's necessarily the Benefactor.

956
00:44:34,590 --> 00:44:35,070
>> Will: Yeah.

957
00:44:35,630 --> 00:44:39,830
>> Sarah : I guess the question is, is the benefactor a

958
00:44:39,830 --> 00:44:41,950
McCune at all, a Macon at all?

959
00:44:41,950 --> 00:44:44,050
>> Will: It may not be. I know some people are trying to

960
00:44:44,050 --> 00:44:46,410
theorize as Lex Luthor, but the timeline doesn't

961
00:44:46,410 --> 00:44:48,020
work, because, well, Lex

962
00:44:48,020 --> 00:44:49,420
>> Sarah : is in a Macon, so.

963
00:44:49,420 --> 00:44:51,980
>> Will: No, no, no, no, no. But because of what they saw.

964
00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:54,260
Because the events we saw. Superman, as far as his

965
00:44:54,260 --> 00:44:56,260
hatred of aliens. But, you know, but that doesn't

966
00:44:56,260 --> 00:44:59,100
work because Lex doesn't. That does. Lex doesn't

967
00:44:59,100 --> 00:45:02,580
have that hatred until, you know, 20, 22 or so.

968
00:45:02,580 --> 00:45:04,540
You know, three years when Superman appears.

969
00:45:04,940 --> 00:45:08,900
>> Sarah : So I think it's more logical, like, ruling out

970
00:45:08,900 --> 00:45:13,590
these humans because it's also the. It's also

971
00:45:13,830 --> 00:45:17,110
like. So the Benefactor is Manhunter?

972
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:18,790
>> Will: Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think it's the Manhunter. I'm

973
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just trying to figure out which. Who is the

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Manhunter. So, I mean, it could be making himself,

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and he's just like, using the NDA is just like a,

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way to, like, throw howl off.

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>> Sarah : Also. That would just be like Zoe. Way too easy.

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Yeah, I. I just. I. I like the mystery. Yeah, I

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know. We're not going to solve it tonight. It's a

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good mystery to have. So far. I. I am questioning,

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have we even met them?

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>> Will: That's possible. Yeah. That's another.

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>> Sarah : Because sometimes I do like it when a mysterious,

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ominous figure we don't even meet until the end.

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That's very comic book.

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>> Will: So.

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>> Sarah : So to have a Big Bad. And right now, we. It's just

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very obvious. Obvious. Macon is just like the. The

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fall guy right now. You got the real Big Bad

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lurking in the shadow somehow. Yeah, but. So you,

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but you also. Everyone, whether it be William

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himself, whether it be his son Billy, even Carrie,

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and, and everything is. Everyone is slightly a

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suspect. Yeah. And you're just questioning, who

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are you? And also, why are you here? Where. Where

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is this? Which, which reminds me of a line that we

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kind of bypassed the bit. I. I thought it was such

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a good line, and I'm. I'm kind of glad that I'm

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ending my thoughts with it. But just like, we're

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all aliens, it's just depending on which planet

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you're on. I think that, like, it goes back to

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what I brought up earlier in terms of how this

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show Colonization uses that. In terms of aliens.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : Like. Like this show does feel grounded because of

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everything we've talked about so far, but it also

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is very. This is an alien sci fi show. And yes,

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we've seen recently Superman, and we started this

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whole podcast with the D with the Arrowverse. So

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we're familiar with Aliens. However, I think so

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far in these first two episodes, it does feel

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refreshing and, and also pulling the right things

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from both genres, whether it be the sci fi alie

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genre or whether it's the detective show drama

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genre.

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>> Will: I agree, I agree. Can't really add more to what,

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what you said there. I think that's, that's a

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great way to.

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To.

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>> Sarah : On that note, Will, why don't you tell our

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listeners where they can find you?

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>> Will: Yes, you can find me wherever you get your social

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media feeds at Will and Polk W I L L M P O L K And

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you can

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>> Sarah : find me there too, at SJ Belmont sjblm M O N T.

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>> Will: Sam.