Knight of the Seven Kingdoms Ep 5 + Wonder Man 5–8 Reaction & Review

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>> Will: Foreign.

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>> Sarah : Nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah

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Belmont, and with me, as always, is our Mr.

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Producer, Will Polk How are you doing tonight,

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Will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. How you doing this Monday

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evening?

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>> Sarah : Yeah, emphasis on Monday evening. As next week we

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will be talking on Tuesday.

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>> Will: That's right, that's right. Will be shifting due

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to paradise, dropping us, I guess, first three

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episodes. But I know we're only going to cover the

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first episode next week and then we'll do a big

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block of pot, of paradise, the following week.

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>> Sarah : Did, did you go back and see if they dropped the

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first two or three episodes during the first

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season?

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>> Will: if I recall, they did drop the first. I want to

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say two or three and then, And I have to go. Yeah,

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yeah, they did, they did. But I think it worked

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out well for us because we, you know, by the time

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we recorded, we had a little bit of lag time. So I

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think we covered. I have to go back and let's look

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at our.

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>> Sarah : I'm. I'm pretty sure we doubled. Like, we, we

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definitely left the pilot episode alone.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And then we, we, we didn't immediately do like

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three episodes. We did two episodes and then

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following week we did another two episodes. So.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : yeah, but then, then we. One piece is right around

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the corner as well, which we'll get getting into

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someday off in the future, part of 2026, we'll get

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around to Daredevil Born again, but there's some

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other priorities in the mix along with breaks, so.

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Yeah, yeah, but I had a, as I was telling you

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during the pre show conversation, I had a very

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snowy and stuck in the house all day weekend. So

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that's why I'm doing a little check in on what

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I've been watching because I, was able to spend

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the time this weekend getting caught up on the

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Pit.

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>> Will: Oh, yes, I've been wondering. Yes, I've been

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wondering about that. I've been asked someone, I

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was talking to someone today, about the Pit. And

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and I thought, you know, that reminded me to do a

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check in with you to see how season two is going.

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So go. The floor is yours.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, it's all right. I, I much. I like my binges.

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And now it was a three episode binge, but it, I

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just was like, well, I want, I want the next

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episode. It's. It's such a ongoing race, but at

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the same time knowing how intense it gets, I'm

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glad. It's, I mean, I did like what, two episodes

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and then got caught up on two. So I've been in and

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out, and it's. It's the same. It is. It is pretty

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much the same that you would expect season two of

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this pit coming off of season one.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : So, it's just. It's just fascinating how I can

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still stay interested even though we're just going

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one hour at a time. So I got caught up on that.

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Tell me Lies, season three wraps up, tonight,

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technically, but I'll be watching the finale

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tomorrow and that I. For those who have watched

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Tell me Lies, I think that this season

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retrospectively will be fascinating. But while I'm

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trudging through it, I have gotten so frustrated

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with Lucy. But now. But they've managed to make a

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very unsympathetic individual, like, main

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character, into a. A tragic one. And I, like what

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they're doing with, Bri this season, and Wrigley

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in particular. So I, I think they're making some

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good choices. I don't know what the future holds

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for this show. I don't like this idea that season

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three is end. Like, it's the end all. because if

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that was the case, we should have received way

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more flash forwards.

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>> Sarah : Like, looking back, I think there were two flash

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forwards to the wedding.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : And I like how you're responding as if you have

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any.

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>> Will: I'm just. Yeah, I. I'm just like, I'm. I'm

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listening along. I have not watched a single

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minute of this show.

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>> Sarah : So we've had two black forwards. so I just. I

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think that building up to the season, if this was

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the last season, we should have spent way more in,

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like, where these characters are in the present as

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opposed to where they've been in the past.

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Predominantly, we've spent most of this season, if

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not all of this season, in the past. So I just. I

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think that there's gonna be a season four. and I

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want a season four, too. What else have I been

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watching? Oh, reality tv. Okay. Yes. So this is

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kind of a spoiler alert. I have it on, my. I'm

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gonna make this happen this year. So I am m trying

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to watch as many different Bravo franchises as

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possible. so, for example, I know that I will be

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watching real. Real Housewives of Rhode island

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when it comes out in April.

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>> Will: Didn't one of them get fired for, like, some

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stupid bad bunny comments? Or am I thinking about

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another reality TV show?

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>> Sarah : No, you're. You're right. But Will, you're talking

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about a Housewife who was on real, Housewives of

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New York. Jill Zarin.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : He was on it for, like, five, six years, maybe. I

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don't know. I tuned out after, like, the first few

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seasons, but she hasn't been on it in, like, a

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decade.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : So. So anyway, anyway. So, And this is why I was

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kind of on the fence about bringing this up,

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because I knew. But anyway, so. So, yeah, I. I am

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gonna be watching Rhode Island. they're not doing

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New York this year. New York has, And this has

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nothing to do with Jill Zarin, honestly. It's

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other issues. but I'm looking for Atlanta because

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I've gone back. I just. I think, for those who do

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watch reality TV shows now, this is a new one that

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I jumped on board back in September, and I was. I

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was skeptical. But, yeah, I'm gonna jump on board

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when I find out one. One of the housewives went to

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jail. Another one just got arrested for fraud. So.

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So I'm gonna. I'm gonna jump on board to the. To

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Potomac and see what it's all about. I. Even when

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I started season 10, I went back and I watched

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season nine.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : and I. By. They just aired a few weeks ago. They

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just aired the finale, and we just started the

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reunion. if you love reality TV shows, do yourself

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a favor. Take it from me. Season 10 of Potomac, is

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one of the best seasons of specifically

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Housewives. I think, in general, the. The finale

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is one of the best. Not finales, but just girls

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trips that have ever occurred on this show because

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it is a freaking disaster. That spoiler alert ends

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in a gas station. I kid you not. It ends with them

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on the side of the road eating gas station food.

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>> Will: Real Housewives of sheets. All right. Oh, my God.

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>> Sarah : I have rewatched the finale so many times. I. I

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did a rewatch of the full season, and I just. I.

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There are. There are characters you love to hate.

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There are people you. You think you like, and then

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they do something real shady. You're like, I don't

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know anymore about you. But. But they. They have

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figured out the cast of this year. And granted,

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I'm only comparing this to season nine, and I know

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Karen wasn't in this season because she was in

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jail, but she's out now and she's coming back. So

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it'll be interesting to see the dynamics next

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year. But I think if you're going to. If you want

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to expand your Housewives repertoire, Potomac is

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the way to go. especially season 10, because they

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have figured out the cast.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : and. And that is just from a newbie, but I really

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like this cast chemistry. Beverly Hills Housewives

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needs a better cast. I love Rachel Zoe. Keep

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Rachel Zoe. And, and honestly, if you're gonna

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keep Amanda, you're gonna have to get her a

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friend. And it can't be Kyle, because nobody on

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that cast likes her. And honestly, them not liking

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her makes us, as a viewer okay with also not

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liking her. So it's. It's. It's a hard one because

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neither the cast members nor the viewers are. Are

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able to necessarily redeem her. So I. I just. I

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think. I think the cast of Beverly Hills needs to

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switch up. we'll see what happens with Atlanta. I

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did. I have gone back and re. And watched, the

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most recent season of Atlanta, so I will be

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watching the new one. Oh, and then the last thing

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that I. I started that I've never watched before

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in the Bravo world is Summer House. And, they're

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on season 10.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : And I have not gone back and rewatched any of the

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former seasons. And after watching the first three

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episodes or two episodes, I don't think I'm going

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to go back and rewatch any of the. I think I'm

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starting here, and I'm just gonna stay on track

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and see what happens. I might like it. I might

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stay. I don't know. I don't know about this show.

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I know. Yeah. In case anybody was wondering.

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Anybody was wondering, I have been watching the

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latest season of Vanderpump, and.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : Trash. It is trash. They did the casting horribly.

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I want, like, all of the guys. Well, Venus can

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stay. He's. He's good because he. He. I mean, it's

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Venus. Okay? He's a guy's girl. but the other

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guys, there's no history. So. So this is the

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thing. If you have watched Sander Crumperles, you

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know, the beauty of that show was the fact that

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these people had at least five to 10 years of

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history with one another before the show even

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started. Yeah. so now it's blatantly obvious that

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most of these people have never even talked to one

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another before the show started. And if they had,

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you're maybe looking at two, three years, huh?

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So obvious. All right. just started to be on the

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show, working in sir, and you're like, no, no, no,

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no. You. You can't do that. Because that

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eliminates the beauty of watching a very toxic

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group of friends. Because, like, we want to walk

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in on the Toxicity not just let these guys create.

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And one of them doesn't even work in sir. And so

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please explain why he's on the cast. Because. And,

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and don't say, well, Shorts was never working.

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That sir didn't matter. Did not matter. You want

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to know why? You want to know why? A he. He was

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longtime boyfriend and then eventually married to

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and then divorced from Katie. Okay. Katie is an OG

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Katie's original cast member all seasons. Okay.

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Yeah, Shorts is gonna be a part. Oh yeah. And also

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he was practically. Now they never tied the knot,

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but he was pretty much Tom Sandoval's like

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husband. Okay. They have a, they have a bar named

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TomTom for a reason. Okay. You have all that

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history and then there's the Jacks of it all. Like

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there were stories about those three in one

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apartment when they moved to la. Like, like the,

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the history among the original OG cast is why that

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show lasted as long as it did. It just. It's not,

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it's not the same. And some of the stuff that

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happens, it's not even funny. It's just like,

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that's kind of gross. I don't know. I don't know.

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So anywho, so I, Yeah, that's just a catch up on a

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lot of the, stuff that I've been watching other

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than Bridgerton Season 4. I'm still waiting for it

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to come back with the final four episodes. So,

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Yeah. Yeah. Cool.

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>> Will: Well, I, Yeah, I know we haven't had. You haven't

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had a reality tv, download in a minute. So let

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you. I'll let you, I'll let you go and, and fill

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us all in on. On the latest in Bravo.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I, I don't know if it was the best idea or

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the worst idea for me to just get a subscription

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to Paramount plus or Peacock. Yeah.

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>> Will: Yeah. Okay. Well, you know, hey, you know, well,

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look at it this way. Normally. Well, maybe if it's

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a good thing, you know, keeps you, you know,

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variety as far as things you watch. Bad thing is

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just like, you know, normally cut things off

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whenever a show you're watching and you know, you

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would just say on the subscriptions for however,

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you know, until the next thing you want to watch

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comes up on that on that particular streaming

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platform. But at the end of the day, you know,

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it's all good.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. All right, well, that is enough of that. we

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are going to dive into West Ghost now with a

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Knight of the Seven Kingdoms, Season one, Episode

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five, in the Name of the Mother Dunks. Metal. I

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don't know why that word looks so weird to me.

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metal is put to the. That's spelled wrong, right?

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>> Will: You got it right. Continue. Continue.

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>> Sarah : Okay, no, no, I know I said it right, but is it

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spelled right?

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>> Will: I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I think it is. Yeah.

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Continue.

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>> Sarah : Have to look that up. Doug's metal is put to the

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test. In the brutal trial of seven years earlier.

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Dunk finds himself to the promise of a new future.

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Will, what did you think about this episode?

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>> Will: Yeah, so overall, I, I really, you know, there's

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some TV shows that, you know, we talk about this

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all the time here on the pod. Some things that

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stay with you, movies, music, whatever. And

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there's other things that, like, just immediately

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as it comes, comes and goes and just right out of

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your head. So this one definitely left an

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impression on me in the sense that, you know, as,

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you know, I did. I did read the novellas before

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watching this show because I really have gotten

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into the. The Game of Thrones lore. And so

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whenever I read up, whenever we got to episode

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five and knowing know, I kind of hinted last week

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about, a particular situation, with. With Balor's,

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armor, you know, whenever. So I, I knew what was

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coming. And so whenever we started the episode

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this week, I was excited about this trial of the

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Seven and just sort of seeing how things were

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going to unfold from. Seeing how they. They would

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take it from m. The page to the screen. So

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whenever it, you know, so whenever we got the

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great scene of. Of. Of Dunk and, you know, and

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everything to perspective from his eyes inside the

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helmet and then, you know, gets knocked off and

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knocked out and they go to the flashback. I gotta

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say, my initial impressions were, was I felt that

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it was like padding, because I, I was, you know,

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because again, my expectations were subverted and,

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and so. But like I said, things either stay with

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you or they don't. And this one stayed with me

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where I was just like, you know, I just noodle on

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it. Noodle on it. And then I was like, you know,

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that actually, I was actually okay with. With what

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they did because it did provide some deeper

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context that in. In the medium that this, that

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this. That we're in, in television, you have to

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sometimes show and tell the story about a

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character to under. To help you understand where

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they're coming from. And so, so when they did

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that, you know, so after I thought about the

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change, in direction and this and the change in

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direction that they did do, you know, was you

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know, was original to the show. It really, I think

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it provided some additional context as far as

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understanding why Dunk, when we did get back to

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the fight, it definitely like, added deep a deeper

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meaning to it than if it had just been just a

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straight, you know, third 20 minutes of fighting.

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That, that, that, that it could have been if they

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just did not have that, that flashback scene there

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in the middle. So, so, yeah, so, you know, so at

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the end of the day, I, I really, really, really

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enjoyed this episode. And you know, and, and I

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felt like I did jump on Twitter last night,

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afterwards and seeing all the reaction. And even

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though I never. I didn't watch Game of Thrones

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when it was like on real time back in the, in the

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teens, the, the timeline definitely reminded me of

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like when I, When I had the fomo. Whenever

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watching everybody else reacting to this TV show,

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I had, I was like, oh, yeah, that, that's. That,

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that the discourse is back. so, yeah, so that's.

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episode.

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>> Sarah : So you thought it was. So during it, you thought

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the flashback was padding.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And then retrospectively you're like, actually

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that worked really well.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Can you just elaborate a little bit more on, what

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you said in regards to the flashback allowing like

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the final fight sequence or to the, the flashback

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and what, what we learn about Dunk?

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>> Will: Yeah, so what we learned about Dunk is, you know,

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it's, you know, so the episodes titled the Name in

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the Name of the Mother. And so, you know, we, we.

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We never, you know, so we see these image, you

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know, we whenever, for example, whenever people

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get knighted, it's like in the Name of the Mother,

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whenever we, you know, we see the, the flashback

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where he is there in, you know, right after the,

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the first Blackfire Rebellion, on the battlefield

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there. You know, we're seeing the. The knight

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under his horse and he's calling out for his

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mother. And you know, and you know, and Dunk also,

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you know, he doesn't know his mother and the

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comments that he had with Rafi and, And so we, we

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see. And as we go through, go through Flea Bottom

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and seeing his, you know, all the things that

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happen there and that resilience, the, seeing the

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tragedy, you know, of his friend getting killed,

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him. Him also getting, beat up. I mean, it just

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basically showed how Dunk has had a very hard

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life, but he's, but he's also very resilient. And

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so the, the flashbacks really, you know, and, and

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then also how he follows Sir Arlen. It was so

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persistent. It really just showed again, it was

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showing on screen what were the motivations and

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what is the sort of fuller character of Duncan.

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but this was sort of like as, you know, instead of

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doing flashbacks throughout episodes one through

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four, as far as his background, they made a

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creative choice to do it in the fifth independent,

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penultimate episode. And so I think doing it

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there, like I said, real time because, you know, I

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expected one thing and got something else, shame

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on me. But at the same time, whenever I saw the

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impact of like when, when Egg says get up, sir,

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and you know, one, when Arlen says it. And then of

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course, and, and then Dunk gets up and everything

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transpires pretty much like it does in the book.

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It really, really works. It really works for me.

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>> Sarah : So I think it's interesting because. I, okay, so

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for me, I, I took away a lot more about a theme of

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fortune.

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>> Sarah : And, and so I, I, I guess I don't necessarily

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prescribe as you do to, to the resilience factor,

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of Dunk. I think that in, through this flashback

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and counteracting this very pivotal moment in

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Dunk's life, it's, we're seeing a lot of fortune.

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And, and that's why the namesake of this episode

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is so interesting. Because in the name of the

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Mother, there's a religious context to it.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And you're, you're looking at the start of a

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battle between seven on one side, seven on the

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others, and it's life and death. And, and at the

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start of the episode, you also have, Baylor

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talking about how like, he's gonna go after the

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Kingsguard because they technically have an oath

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preventing them from hurting him at all.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : His brother did not take that oath. and, and, and

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then you have the comment made by one of them who

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says, mother loved you best.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And, and that's, that's not his mother. It's, it's

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more about this, this God figure, which is also

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interesting in terms of Westeros because we, we

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know a little bit about the Andals and the Seven

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and, and all of that significance. I mean, we're

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talking about the battle of the Seven right now.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So then flashback to Dunk at a, young age who, who

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is very similar to who he is now. And I'm not

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saying that, but let me get finished my point

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here. So in, in the flashback, so, so he brings up

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his mom and it's an interesting conversation

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because, honestly, the weights played. I could

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even be as foolish as Doug for saying, but the.

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But he can't. If she is dead, why does he still

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think that she would return? So that makes me

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foolishly, as a viewer, be like, no, no, Rafe

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can't be right. Like, she's not dead dead. Do they

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not. Did she just leave? And. And them talking

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about the mother specifically, and this idea of a

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very. Of a. If they know without a doubt, like,

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she is dead, then this whole idea. Okay, well, he

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has in the back of her mind that she could pull a

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Jesus and return from the dead. Right, right,

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right. There's a faith quality there. There's

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something about that conversation that I think is.

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I think is played a few different ways.

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>> Will: Oh, yeah.

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>> Sarah : And. And. But honestly, I think it does that. It

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rightfully does. It. It puts us on Dunk's side

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where it is a foolish idea to think that his mom

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could return. But for some reason, he believes

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that there's hope. And that hope. Having that hope

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is very. Is what gets him through.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : No, actually, no. Ironically, though, having that

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hope is what makes him stay. The only reason why

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he. He wants to go and Rafe tells him in that

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scene is because they love each other. Like. Like

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Will toned it down when he was going through and

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called them friends. No, no, no. They, They were

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more than friends.

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>> Will: Well, I mean, yeah. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I mean, they were. They definitely would have

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gotten married if she would have lived. But, so

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again, with Fortune, and. And I feel like his.

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Even though I know it was Rafe's fault at the end

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of the day, for. For antagonizing that guard who

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ultimately was gonna come right back. I mean, she

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said it herself. Nobody forgets stuff here.

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>> Will: Nope.

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>> Sarah : He still viewed it as his fault for her death

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because she could have gotten out of there sooner

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had he not held her back. I think that's the way

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we're supposed to interpret it. And that mirrors,

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of course, the ending with Baylor's death where,

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again, he's feeling like it's. It's his. So

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there's. There's a lot of. I think there's a very

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fascinating play on religion and fortune.

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>> Will: Yeah, Religion, fortune. I. I completely agree

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with you there. I think also. I think one thing

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you also hit that's very important, too, is Dunk

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always feeling. I guess it ties into the Fortune

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how bad Fortune sometimes follows him.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. He would have never gotten into this mess

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had he not randomly stopped at this tavern. And

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Egg was there, right? Yeah, like, yeah, but

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ironically, Egg is a blessing and a curse.

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>> Will: He is.

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>> Sarah : Because he is the squire that he's always wanted,

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and yet he's a Targaryen and potential future

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king. So it's throughout what we're learning about

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Dunk through flashback and present day is, as

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you've said it, good. Like, with good comes bad

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00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:39,630
fortune. For Doc, nothing is. Nothing is just

485
00:28:39,630 --> 00:28:42,950
like, oh, it's just a great day. After a great

486
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:49,190
day, it's like. I mean. I mean, he. He finds. In

487
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:57,020
sir, Alan. He finds a mentor of sorts who. I

488
00:28:57,020 --> 00:29:01,420
don't. Who. But then again, it's Sir Alan who's

489
00:29:01,420 --> 00:29:05,860
walking around drunk and talking all the time, so

490
00:29:06,340 --> 00:29:10,460
who tastes. Also. Also was very unaware of

491
00:29:10,460 --> 00:29:12,620
surroundings because the kid follows him for days.

492
00:29:13,020 --> 00:29:13,500
>> Will: Yeah.

493
00:29:14,370 --> 00:29:18,210
>> Sarah : so I just. I. I agree with you, though it is

494
00:29:18,210 --> 00:29:22,410
interesting how this episode in particular, I was

495
00:29:22,410 --> 00:29:26,330
like, you. Where I was watching it, and I'm like.

496
00:29:26,330 --> 00:29:30,370
And he gets knocked out. And I'm like, oh, oh,

497
00:29:31,490 --> 00:29:32,850
we're doing a flashback.

498
00:29:33,010 --> 00:29:33,490
>> Will: Yeah.

499
00:29:34,690 --> 00:29:37,770
>> Sarah : Okay. And then I was kind of like, okay, well, we.

500
00:29:37,770 --> 00:29:40,410
We know Rafe's eventually going to die, so, like,

501
00:29:40,410 --> 00:29:46,920
get to get them. And it did. But, But eventually,

502
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,080
when we get to the present and specifically the

503
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:56,910
final moment, the final scene, I did, throughout

504
00:29:56,910 --> 00:29:59,990
today find myself thinking about that moment. And

505
00:29:59,990 --> 00:30:05,780
it wasn't like, It was just. You know how

506
00:30:05,780 --> 00:30:09,820
sometimes I say, like. And I think this is what

507
00:30:09,820 --> 00:30:12,260
stuck. This. Besides everything we just talked

508
00:30:12,260 --> 00:30:14,380
about with Fortune, the other big thing that

509
00:30:14,380 --> 00:30:16,890
stuck, with me about this episode in particular,

510
00:30:17,050 --> 00:30:22,290
more so than any episode this season. whoever did

511
00:30:22,290 --> 00:30:26,720
the cinematography and the camera work, they're

512
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,800
doing it for all the episodes. Right. Because this

513
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:35,320
episode in particular just stuck out to me.

514
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:35,930
>> Will: Yeah.

515
00:30:35,930 --> 00:30:42,100
>> Sarah : between that last shot, with Baylor, and I'm not

516
00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:46,220
just talking about the head, but also just the.

517
00:30:46,380 --> 00:30:50,270
The backdrop, the lighting and all of that. But

518
00:30:50,270 --> 00:30:53,110
there was also a moment at the beginning where,

519
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:57,430
they did a beautiful job of showing Dunk on this

520
00:30:57,430 --> 00:31:01,350
horse. Scared shitless. Throwing up. Throwing up

521
00:31:02,230 --> 00:31:03,110
green boys.

522
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:03,750
>> Will: Yep.

523
00:31:04,820 --> 00:31:09,780
>> Sarah : and you see Egg. And throughout this whole show,

524
00:31:09,780 --> 00:31:13,540
Will, we've been seeing this contrast of this very

525
00:31:13,620 --> 00:31:19,060
tall man. And it's very small boy, but more so

526
00:31:19,060 --> 00:31:23,980
than any scene. Which is interesting because we

527
00:31:23,980 --> 00:31:26,700
know the truth about Egg now, and so does everyone

528
00:31:26,780 --> 00:31:31,219
else. And yet him, in that moment when he's, like,

529
00:31:31,219 --> 00:31:33,580
on the field and they're kind of. They're

530
00:31:33,580 --> 00:31:36,540
exchanging their goodbyes, he has never looked

531
00:31:36,540 --> 00:31:37,100
more small.

532
00:31:37,660 --> 00:31:38,220
>> Will: Yeah.

533
00:31:38,860 --> 00:31:45,500
>> Sarah : And more Egg. Like, so that stuck out. But the

534
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:49,150
other thing that st. Stuck out to me what, in

535
00:31:49,150 --> 00:31:52,070
terms of cinematography, was what they did with

536
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:56,470
Flea Bottom? Because. And I kept thinking about

537
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:59,070
this while I was dozing in and out of the

538
00:31:59,070 --> 00:32:04,360
flashback. I kept thinking about how it was

539
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,240
fascinating because even as a young boy, he's

540
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:07,720
tall.

541
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:08,600
>> Will: Yeah.

542
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,080
>> Sarah : Yet because of Flea Bottom and the way they shot

543
00:32:13,550 --> 00:32:16,190
and the way. Not just the shot, the set design

544
00:32:16,670 --> 00:32:18,270
was. Was exquisite.

545
00:32:18,430 --> 00:32:18,990
>> Will: Yep.

546
00:32:19,550 --> 00:32:22,430
>> Sarah : You felt the confinement.

547
00:32:22,510 --> 00:32:22,950
>> Will: Yes.

548
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:26,750
>> Sarah : You felt like they were literal rats in a maze.

549
00:32:27,070 --> 00:32:29,950
You felt like people were on top of people.

550
00:32:30,350 --> 00:32:30,790
>> Will: Yeah.

551
00:32:30,790 --> 00:32:34,790
>> Sarah : And we're talking. And then you felt also a

552
00:32:34,790 --> 00:32:40,670
smallness, like they. He dunks a tall boy, but he

553
00:32:40,670 --> 00:32:44,110
still felt so small in comparison to these

554
00:32:44,190 --> 00:32:48,690
building and everything felt like narrow and

555
00:32:48,690 --> 00:32:52,250
intertwining. And it was just very interesting.

556
00:32:52,570 --> 00:32:57,610
And it stuck out because we start the show next to

557
00:32:57,610 --> 00:33:02,330
an oak tree. We start the show open land. So far

558
00:33:02,410 --> 00:33:07,090
we spent like, there's an openness and a. And a

559
00:33:07,090 --> 00:33:11,450
wander. You did not. And it's very sharp contrast

560
00:33:12,030 --> 00:33:14,510
to Flea Bottom, which I thought was brilliant.

561
00:33:14,910 --> 00:33:17,280
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. yeah. I had the same thoughts about

562
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,120
Flea Bottom too, because, you know, I've seen.

563
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,920
We've seen it in other iterations, you know, other

564
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,880
house and. And. And all. And I agree with you that

565
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,960
it really just felt that. That gritty underpinning

566
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,690
of, you know, of kings, of King's Landing and this

567
00:33:32,690 --> 00:33:36,970
and the city. And. And. And so I completely agree

568
00:33:36,970 --> 00:33:39,530
with you there. And also to your point about the.

569
00:33:39,530 --> 00:33:42,680
The space. And I think it was a brilliant choice

570
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:47,120
to like, zero in on Dunk's perspective during a

571
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,160
fight, because this is Dunk's story that we're.

572
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,600
And at Duncan Egg. But. But at least in that

573
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,160
moment, it, you know, instead of, you know, the

574
00:33:55,160 --> 00:34:00,200
grandiose, you know, big battle scenes like, you

575
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,960
know, I remember seeing in House of the Dragon,

576
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,600
you know, we were really. You know, it started in

577
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,599
from. From the. From inside the helmet and. And

578
00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:11,199
seeing things in. In that perspective. And then,

579
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:13,380
of course, even during the fight, you, know, it's

580
00:34:13,380 --> 00:34:16,020
just very, very close quarters. And, you know, it

581
00:34:16,020 --> 00:34:18,420
took a. You know, we. I talked about earlier how,

582
00:34:18,420 --> 00:34:21,340
you know, this is a period of. Of peace in

583
00:34:21,340 --> 00:34:24,590
Westeros. so, you know, it's all. You know, so

584
00:34:24,590 --> 00:34:27,230
really the only way that. That a knight could,

585
00:34:27,230 --> 00:34:30,630
like, check his battlefield prowess or whatever is

586
00:34:30,630 --> 00:34:33,671
through the tournaments. But. And you know, and

587
00:34:33,671 --> 00:34:35,951
you mentioned earlier, like, for example, Balin

588
00:34:36,271 --> 00:34:39,461
tell Baylor telling people to, you know, get the

589
00:34:39,461 --> 00:34:43,381
longer. Longer lances because, you know, you know,

590
00:34:43,381 --> 00:34:46,571
from a strategic standpoint, as far as just, you

591
00:34:46,571 --> 00:34:49,091
know, that way it won't be that very, you know,

592
00:34:49,091 --> 00:34:51,171
close quarters fighting, which of course it did

593
00:34:51,171 --> 00:34:54,451
devolve into that especially, especially whenever

594
00:34:54,871 --> 00:34:58,941
Dunk and Aryan are. Are going at it and

595
00:34:58,921 --> 00:35:01,951
>> Sarah : Can I just, can I just ask. I need, I need this

596
00:35:01,951 --> 00:35:06,151
answer. Is Aryan now? Aryan the dickless?

597
00:35:06,551 --> 00:35:09,271
>> Will: No, I think it was his femoral artery. So. It was.

598
00:35:09,271 --> 00:35:11,631
Yeah, it was, yeah. Because at first I was like,

599
00:35:11,631 --> 00:35:14,111
oh, it looked like he got castrated. But no, I

600
00:35:14,111 --> 00:35:16,751
think it was more just. It was just his femoral

601
00:35:16,751 --> 00:35:17,191
artery.

602
00:35:17,291 --> 00:35:20,491
>> Sarah : yeah, I was like. I was like, man, for as many

603
00:35:20,491 --> 00:35:22,571
shots to the head dung, has taken, he still

604
00:35:22,571 --> 00:35:24,651
remembers that story. Story Egg told him.

605
00:35:24,731 --> 00:35:28,611
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, but that's another thing. Yeah, and

606
00:35:28,611 --> 00:35:30,091
that's another thing too. It's just like, you

607
00:35:30,091 --> 00:35:32,291
know, when Dunk does come through and just the. I

608
00:35:32,291 --> 00:35:35,891
love the sound design there because with the, you

609
00:35:35,891 --> 00:35:38,171
know, you know, whenever, you know, it's literally

610
00:35:38,171 --> 00:35:41,201
like getting your bell rung and, and so and. And

611
00:35:41,201 --> 00:35:44,921
just the, the sound of the high pitch one and just

612
00:35:44,921 --> 00:35:47,961
like, you know, the, the what? I know I've playing

613
00:35:47,961 --> 00:35:50,361
ball back in the day and I remember getting my

614
00:35:50,361 --> 00:35:52,601
bell rung and just you know, the disorientation

615
00:35:52,601 --> 00:35:55,831
there. And then. And then of course just the

616
00:35:55,831 --> 00:35:58,271
fight, you know, the, the shot that everybody, you

617
00:35:58,271 --> 00:36:00,721
know, that scene with you know, as he stumbles up

618
00:36:00,721 --> 00:36:03,601
and you know, here's where I mean, I know you

619
00:36:03,601 --> 00:36:07,121
mentioned earlier that that Baylor was like, you

620
00:36:07,121 --> 00:36:09,121
know, family don't hurt. But it was truly, it was

621
00:36:09,121 --> 00:36:12,441
truly an accident that, that the car like hit him

622
00:36:12,441 --> 00:36:15,491
with the Hit him. But his, the. The mallet or

623
00:36:15,491 --> 00:36:16,471
whatever. Not the mallet. The

624
00:36:16,931 --> 00:36:19,331
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the mace.

625
00:36:19,331 --> 00:36:20,051
>> Will: Yeah, the mace.

626
00:36:20,291 --> 00:36:23,651
>> Sarah : Oh, I'm sure. But yeah, we haven't got into the

627
00:36:23,651 --> 00:36:24,651
finale yet, so.

628
00:36:24,651 --> 00:36:27,251
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, well, yeah, I don't wanna. I don't

629
00:36:27,251 --> 00:36:29,051
want. Again, I don't wanna. I don't want to say

630
00:36:29,051 --> 00:36:31,651
anything more other than one of the things about

631
00:36:31,651 --> 00:36:34,051
the. The death that was also so tragic. And I

632
00:36:34,051 --> 00:36:36,911
hinted at it last week, you know, whenever we were

633
00:36:36,911 --> 00:36:39,671
talking about where was when Baylor was getting

634
00:36:39,671 --> 00:36:42,711
dressed. So the thing is, he didn't bring his

635
00:36:42,711 --> 00:36:46,451
armor to, to the tournament because he wasn't

636
00:36:46,451 --> 00:36:47,651
planning on participating.

637
00:36:47,651 --> 00:36:48,051
>> Sarah : Right.

638
00:36:48,371 --> 00:36:51,581
>> Will: So he actually had to end up using Prince Fowler,

639
00:36:51,581 --> 00:36:55,301
the other one of his, his sons to. He had to use

640
00:36:55,301 --> 00:36:57,981
his armor. So you know, that's, that's another

641
00:36:58,061 --> 00:37:00,661
tragic thing about this whole thing is if he had

642
00:37:00,661 --> 00:37:03,501
had his properly fitted armor, he might have been.

643
00:37:03,501 --> 00:37:06,381
He might have survived the Headshots.

644
00:37:07,111 --> 00:37:12,641
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah. I. I think, Which. Which. That's

645
00:37:12,641 --> 00:37:15,131
great. And thank you for explaining that. because

646
00:37:15,131 --> 00:37:17,571
I definitely would not have understood that having

647
00:37:17,571 --> 00:37:21,781
not read the books, but, to just go back to the

648
00:37:21,781 --> 00:37:27,341
fortune of it all. The. The moment. And for a

649
00:37:27,341 --> 00:37:32,301
moment, yes, he's disoriented, but he did win. He

650
00:37:32,301 --> 00:37:35,421
is on the verge of death, though. But Dunk has

651
00:37:35,821 --> 00:37:39,341
says, like, has enough strength to even bow down

652
00:37:39,421 --> 00:37:43,261
and say, I am your man. And then. And then you get

653
00:37:43,261 --> 00:37:46,381
the line from the B. This kingdom needs good men.

654
00:37:46,381 --> 00:37:50,541
And it's like, all right, be. Baylor. You ain't.

655
00:37:50,621 --> 00:37:53,971
You ain't. yeah. So I have. I have two things as,

656
00:37:53,921 --> 00:37:57,971
we were talking about this section, of it. Of this

657
00:37:57,971 --> 00:38:01,451
story. or of this episode. Sorry. that my first

658
00:38:01,451 --> 00:38:04,241
one goes back to Arian. because this drove me

659
00:38:04,241 --> 00:38:09,601
crazy. Has anybody. Anybody. Have you seen

660
00:38:09,681 --> 00:38:14,561
anything about people making comparisons to. To

661
00:38:14,561 --> 00:38:19,201
Aryan's armor to some kind of creature? I. My go

662
00:38:19,201 --> 00:38:24,511
to. Is Groot. No, no, no, no. And I'm not saying

663
00:38:24,511 --> 00:38:27,471
this in a funny way. Like, I think his armor was

664
00:38:27,471 --> 00:38:30,991
actually very cool. I really do. But when it was

665
00:38:31,071 --> 00:38:35,311
fully on and he was moving around, I was just

666
00:38:35,311 --> 00:38:38,511
getting flashbacks of something, and. M. Like I

667
00:38:38,511 --> 00:38:40,551
said, I want to say group, but it could be

668
00:38:40,551 --> 00:38:45,431
something else. So, listeners, if you know what

669
00:38:45,431 --> 00:38:49,751
I'm thinking, please let us know because it's been

670
00:38:49,751 --> 00:38:53,981
driving me crazy for the last 24 hours. the other

671
00:38:54,141 --> 00:39:00,171
thing is Egg. And I. And I hope everyone's on the

672
00:39:00,171 --> 00:39:06,691
same page about this, but I. For me, my

673
00:39:06,691 --> 00:39:12,981
interpretation of Egg's desire for Dunk to get up

674
00:39:14,261 --> 00:39:19,301
is. Is very. And this may be a bit mean and harsh.

675
00:39:19,381 --> 00:39:23,501
It's very selfish because at the end of the day,

676
00:39:23,501 --> 00:39:28,581
if Dunk loses and dies in that field forever,

677
00:39:28,581 --> 00:39:33,701
it'll be Egg's fault. M. And it'll be interesting

678
00:39:33,781 --> 00:39:39,131
for next week as I watch Egg also come to the

679
00:39:39,131 --> 00:39:46,091
realization that, again, not only Dunk wouldn't be

680
00:39:46,091 --> 00:39:50,611
in this position, but Baylor, probably his

681
00:39:50,611 --> 00:39:53,491
favorite uncle, would still be alive.

682
00:39:53,651 --> 00:39:54,171
>> Will: Yep.

683
00:39:54,171 --> 00:39:59,091
>> Sarah : So, yeah, it's. It's. Again, it's a very. But

684
00:40:00,451 --> 00:40:08,011
circle back on that, succession. Yeah, it's. It is

685
00:40:08,011 --> 00:40:14,971
a thing. And it'll. And I think as we go, the same

686
00:40:14,971 --> 00:40:19,931
fortune that befalls Dunk, a similar one will end

687
00:40:19,931 --> 00:40:23,751
up be falling. Egg as well, where with good comes

688
00:40:23,751 --> 00:40:24,111
bad.

689
00:40:24,431 --> 00:40:24,911
>> Will: Yeah.

690
00:40:25,151 --> 00:40:29,121
>> Sarah : And. But. But. And. And I've. I. I think I forgot

691
00:40:29,121 --> 00:40:34,401
to ask you this, but am I correct? I know Egg is

692
00:40:34,401 --> 00:40:39,221
the four son of, mailer y is Mailer, the four son

693
00:40:39,221 --> 00:40:40,181
of the current king.

694
00:40:40,821 --> 00:40:43,221
>> Will: So, but so here's the. The family tree.

695
00:40:43,861 --> 00:40:45,621
>> Sarah : So I'm not going to remember names.

696
00:40:45,701 --> 00:40:51,781
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. So. So Makar. So, so there's Darren,

697
00:40:52,021 --> 00:40:57,651
Aryan, Aegon and Aemon. As far as the Targaryens,

698
00:40:57,651 --> 00:40:59,691
yeah, that's Makers. Yeah, Makers.

699
00:40:59,691 --> 00:41:00,411
>> Sarah : Yeah yeah.

700
00:41:00,411 --> 00:41:03,731
>> Will: Balin just had Valar. So. Yeah.

701
00:41:04,531 --> 00:41:07,571
>> Sarah : No, no, but. But Baylor's not the king, right?

702
00:41:07,571 --> 00:41:07,891
He's.

703
00:41:07,891 --> 00:41:08,531
>> Will: He's the Hand.

704
00:41:08,931 --> 00:41:12,490
>> Sarah : He. He's the Hand. And he's the heir to the

705
00:41:12,490 --> 00:41:12,851
throne.

706
00:41:12,851 --> 00:41:14,491
>> Will: He will be. Yeah, he'll be the heir to the throne.

707
00:41:14,491 --> 00:41:15,331
So Baylor's.

708
00:41:15,491 --> 00:41:19,451
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, he's the oldest son. Is Makar the

709
00:41:19,451 --> 00:41:23,301
second oldest or is Mak. Is. There is. I'm trying

710
00:41:23,301 --> 00:41:25,381
to figure out if there's a brother between the

711
00:41:25,381 --> 00:41:25,821
brothers.

712
00:41:26,661 --> 00:41:28,741
>> Will: so looking at the. Looking at the family tree,

713
00:41:28,741 --> 00:41:33,421
there's Baylor, Baylor, Aries, Rhaegal. I think

714
00:41:33,421 --> 00:41:35,461
there's a Queens. And then make our.

715
00:41:35,941 --> 00:41:39,381
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, I felt like I heard heard Makar is

716
00:41:39,381 --> 00:41:42,901
also like the fourth offspring too. So.

717
00:41:43,221 --> 00:41:44,941
>> Will: Yeah, so. Yeah, so yeah.

718
00:41:44,941 --> 00:41:47,301
>> Sarah : So your Targaryen math on that.

719
00:41:47,621 --> 00:41:50,821
>> Will: Yeah, so yeah. So Aegon basically Egg has

720
00:41:50,821 --> 00:41:52,581
basically, like no chance at the thr.

721
00:41:53,921 --> 00:41:54,481
>> Sarah : Supposedly.

722
00:41:54,561 --> 00:41:55,361
>> Will: Supposedly.

723
00:41:55,601 --> 00:41:57,441
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, theoretically.

724
00:41:57,521 --> 00:42:00,481
>> Will: Theoretically. Theoretically. Yeah. But, but, you

725
00:42:00,481 --> 00:42:02,361
know, to your point about succession. Yeah. I

726
00:42:02,361 --> 00:42:05,201
mean, there's just so many levels of, like,

727
00:42:06,001 --> 00:42:09,561
because of. Of what happened here at, with. With

728
00:42:09,561 --> 00:42:13,801
the trial. I mean, like you said, you know, to

729
00:42:13,801 --> 00:42:15,881
your point, I love how you said fortune because I

730
00:42:15,881 --> 00:42:20,071
think that really does capture, so much as far as

731
00:42:20,071 --> 00:42:23,191
what's hap. What's going on in this. In the story.

732
00:42:23,191 --> 00:42:25,871
And so why it's. I guess for me, why it's so

733
00:42:26,351 --> 00:42:29,431
fascinating is because, you know, to your, to your

734
00:42:29,431 --> 00:42:33,471
point, fortune really does good. Good or bad has.

735
00:42:33,791 --> 00:42:37,351
Has played a very heavy hand and all the, all the

736
00:42:37,351 --> 00:42:39,311
things that have. That has happened up to this

737
00:42:39,311 --> 00:42:43,631
point. So. Yeah. Yeah.

738
00:42:46,011 --> 00:42:49,111
>> Sarah : I don't know about you, but I, know we're

739
00:42:49,111 --> 00:42:50,831
returning to Westeros next week.

740
00:42:50,911 --> 00:42:51,711
>> Will: Yes, we are.

741
00:42:51,791 --> 00:42:55,211
>> Sarah : You want to hop on over to, wrap up Wonder Man?

742
00:42:56,331 --> 00:43:01,051
>> Will: Yeah, let's hop on over to Wonder man because.

743
00:43:01,211 --> 00:43:06,891
>> Sarah : Yeah, okay, Wonder Man. We have watched the final

744
00:43:06,891 --> 00:43:10,461
four episodes of season one. Great season of

745
00:43:10,461 --> 00:43:14,271
television. Will, what did you think about the

746
00:43:14,991 --> 00:43:16,231
second, half of the season?

747
00:43:16,711 --> 00:43:22,911
>> Will: Oh, so second half of this season, you know, with

748
00:43:22,911 --> 00:43:27,191
Marvel shows, it's been one of those things on all

749
00:43:27,191 --> 00:43:29,871
the shows on Disney plus where I feel like

750
00:43:30,831 --> 00:43:34,871
disappointment is. Is more often the, the, the

751
00:43:34,871 --> 00:43:39,181
rule than the exception. And, and I Have to say

752
00:43:39,181 --> 00:43:42,821
this show just really just nailed it for me. I, I,

753
00:43:43,301 --> 00:43:48,261
Every episode I just got more and more engaged and

754
00:43:48,971 --> 00:43:51,091
really, you know, cared about these characters. I

755
00:43:51,091 --> 00:43:57,481
love the friendship between Simon and, And Trevor

756
00:43:57,641 --> 00:44:00,561
and, and it really, you know, one of the things

757
00:44:00,561 --> 00:44:03,521
that, you know, this, this, this. That was a heavy

758
00:44:03,521 --> 00:44:06,201
influence to, to the show is the, is the movie or

759
00:44:06,281 --> 00:44:11,271
Midnight Cowboy. And, and and, and in that movie

760
00:44:11,271 --> 00:44:14,301
it was, you know, late 60s Dustin Hoffman, John

761
00:44:14,301 --> 00:44:18,271
Voight before he became weird. was, you know,

762
00:44:18,271 --> 00:44:20,871
there was a, there was a friendship and a business

763
00:44:20,871 --> 00:44:24,711
transaction between the two primary characters in,

764
00:44:24,711 --> 00:44:29,161
in that movie. and, and, and we saw that sort of

765
00:44:29,161 --> 00:44:32,321
those influences here in, in Wonder man as well.

766
00:44:32,641 --> 00:44:34,601
You know, I don't want to spoil, you know,

767
00:44:34,601 --> 00:44:36,641
spoiler. Well, we mean, hell, the movie is like

768
00:44:37,121 --> 00:44:39,761
back in the 60s. So the statue of limitations of

769
00:44:39,761 --> 00:44:42,761
spoilers over Midnight Cowboy ends up in a very

770
00:44:42,761 --> 00:44:44,961
tragic. Has a very tragic ending. Thankfully

771
00:44:44,961 --> 00:44:47,561
Wonder man does not. And I think, but, but the

772
00:44:47,561 --> 00:44:49,441
friendship and the brotherhood and the

773
00:44:49,841 --> 00:44:53,001
relationships there, definitely resonated. And

774
00:44:53,001 --> 00:44:56,161
even the, even the song that they use in. In

775
00:44:56,321 --> 00:44:59,731
Wonder man comes from comes from ah, from that

776
00:44:59,731 --> 00:45:04,051
movie. it was, Everybody's talking and so I felt

777
00:45:04,051 --> 00:45:08,171
that was thinking of those lyrics in that song and

778
00:45:08,171 --> 00:45:09,691
some of the things that happen here as far as

779
00:45:09,691 --> 00:45:11,411
people talking and like, you know, thinking about

780
00:45:11,411 --> 00:45:14,601
episode five in particular where you know, the,

781
00:45:14,681 --> 00:45:18,651
when Simon finally does, you know, uses his powers

782
00:45:18,651 --> 00:45:21,091
out in public when, When Trevor is like getting

783
00:45:22,131 --> 00:45:26,551
confronted, by the, by the gangster or Simon.

784
00:45:26,791 --> 00:45:29,951
Yeah, yeah, well, Simon uses the powers when

785
00:45:29,951 --> 00:45:31,271
Trevor was getting confronted.

786
00:45:33,881 --> 00:45:36,111
>> Sarah : I was, Yeah, anyway, anyway.

787
00:45:36,351 --> 00:45:38,541
>> Will: Yeah, but whatever, you know, but then, you know,

788
00:45:38,541 --> 00:45:41,271
they were all worried about like the kid having to

789
00:45:41,271 --> 00:45:44,441
chase the kid down and stuff. it was just same.

790
00:45:44,441 --> 00:45:47,451
Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah, it was just like, you

791
00:45:47,451 --> 00:45:49,531
know, the one, the, the few times they've had the

792
00:45:49,531 --> 00:45:52,011
superpowers in this show was just like, okay, it

793
00:45:52,011 --> 00:45:53,731
was a. Served a story. It wasn't about the

794
00:45:53,731 --> 00:45:56,611
superpowers. It was really about the relationship

795
00:45:56,611 --> 00:45:58,811
between these two characters and how they, you

796
00:45:58,811 --> 00:46:00,491
know, were trying to solve things and how

797
00:46:00,571 --> 00:46:06,201
Trevor's, Trevor's conflict, you know, as far as

798
00:46:06,201 --> 00:46:08,721
like he was really growing fond of Simon. But then

799
00:46:08,721 --> 00:46:10,521
he, you know, he had this deal with the government

800
00:46:10,521 --> 00:46:12,641
and he was like doing everything he could to like,

801
00:46:12,801 --> 00:46:15,201
try to, you know, not turn him in.

802
00:46:17,361 --> 00:46:22,161
>> Sarah : Yeah, I, this show is just so good.

803
00:46:22,241 --> 00:46:22,661
>> Will: Yeah.

804
00:46:22,661 --> 00:46:28,901
>> Sarah : it is so simple, yet it is just executed so well

805
00:46:29,221 --> 00:46:32,851
that it's hard not to, to like It. And find joy

806
00:46:33,251 --> 00:46:36,731
between the acting, between the writing and. Did I

807
00:46:36,731 --> 00:46:42,811
say the acting? The chemistry between Yaya and Ben

808
00:46:42,811 --> 00:46:45,931
Kingsley. Sir Ben Kingsley. Like, come on. Come

809
00:46:45,931 --> 00:46:48,851
on. And you know what? The one thing at the end.

810
00:46:48,931 --> 00:46:52,361
The one thing at the end, I think. I think, the

811
00:46:52,521 --> 00:46:54,681
candy guy, Esteban.

812
00:46:55,081 --> 00:46:55,561
>> Will: Yeah.

813
00:46:55,761 --> 00:46:57,641
>> Sarah : He should have. He should have randomly been there

814
00:46:57,641 --> 00:47:04,801
and been like, me too. Like. Like, I. The found

815
00:47:04,801 --> 00:47:09,441
footage was. Was such a fun little excursion.

816
00:47:09,601 --> 00:47:10,161
>> Will: Yeah.

817
00:47:10,171 --> 00:47:13,331
>> Sarah : that at first I was like, what? And then. And then

818
00:47:13,331 --> 00:47:15,691
it kept going, and I'm like, oh, we're on the

819
00:47:15,691 --> 00:47:21,891
sidewalk. We. We are again stuck with Yaya, who's

820
00:47:21,891 --> 00:47:26,991
a big guy in this car, who's, who is trying to

821
00:47:26,991 --> 00:47:30,311
hunt down this other one. And in the whole line.

822
00:47:30,311 --> 00:47:33,751
The line. So does that mean you do or you do not

823
00:47:33,751 --> 00:47:38,151
have. Super speed. Point of clarification. But

824
00:47:38,151 --> 00:47:43,271
the. The best line. Arguably. Arguably. Well, not.

825
00:47:43,271 --> 00:47:45,991
Not from the show, but. Come on. Come on. This.

826
00:47:46,071 --> 00:47:50,361
This just was, like, so good. is at the end of the

827
00:47:50,361 --> 00:47:54,721
episode when. Or not at the end, when Patrick

828
00:47:54,881 --> 00:47:59,881
shows up at the house. Got Jaden, and. And he's

829
00:47:59,881 --> 00:48:03,840
threatening to kill Jaden, and he tells Trevor and

830
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,481
Simon on the other side of the door that. And

831
00:48:06,641 --> 00:48:08,321
Trevor's response is, please do.

832
00:48:08,321 --> 00:48:08,881
>> Will: Please do.

833
00:48:10,161 --> 00:48:13,961
>> Sarah : Like, come on. I'm. I'm with the head of the legal

834
00:48:13,961 --> 00:48:15,201
candy ring gang.

835
00:48:15,511 --> 00:48:15,831
>> Will: Yeah.

836
00:48:15,831 --> 00:48:18,511
>> Sarah : So I'm covered. We don't need Jaden. We don't

837
00:48:18,511 --> 00:48:18,791
need.

838
00:48:18,951 --> 00:48:19,511
>> Will: Yep.

839
00:48:20,231 --> 00:48:25,471
>> Sarah : We don't. We don't need him. and. And to just the.

840
00:48:25,471 --> 00:48:29,071
The brilliance is not just the comedy, but as I

841
00:48:29,071 --> 00:48:33,591
was watching these four episodes, the. The Secret

842
00:48:33,591 --> 00:48:41,301
Identity, and we have watched so many shows within

843
00:48:41,301 --> 00:48:46,021
this, genre, and I'm gonna admit something, again,

844
00:48:46,021 --> 00:48:50,431
this may be a foolish viewer acting up again. but

845
00:48:50,431 --> 00:48:54,031
it took me until the callback episode to really

846
00:48:54,431 --> 00:49:00,511
realize, like, oh, like, this is a very meta

847
00:49:00,991 --> 00:49:03,871
version of having a secret identity.

848
00:49:04,191 --> 00:49:04,671
>> Will: Yeah.

849
00:49:05,231 --> 00:49:12,011
>> Sarah : It's just. It's so. It's so. It's because I think

850
00:49:12,011 --> 00:49:15,371
this show works. So as long as you understand

851
00:49:16,891 --> 00:49:18,811
Simon is an actor.

852
00:49:18,971 --> 00:49:19,531
>> Will: Yep.

853
00:49:19,611 --> 00:49:23,891
>> Sarah : Yep, that's it. And you accept that, and you

854
00:49:23,891 --> 00:49:31,611
accept Simon's dream is to become a big actor. He.

855
00:49:31,691 --> 00:49:35,341
He ain't got no friends. He does have a few people

856
00:49:35,421 --> 00:49:36,301
he loves.

857
00:49:36,381 --> 00:49:36,941
>> Will: Yeah.

858
00:49:36,941 --> 00:49:42,941
>> Sarah : But they don't count. He. And now he has Trevor

859
00:49:45,421 --> 00:49:48,461
and. And then the Kathy Friedman episode where

860
00:49:48,461 --> 00:49:51,981
it's basically okay. Okay, Simon, I love you, and

861
00:49:51,981 --> 00:49:54,901
I love you two together. However, Trevor can't be

862
00:49:54,901 --> 00:49:57,691
a security blanket. Okay, dad, put on your big

863
00:49:57,691 --> 00:50:02,431
boy's pants. Okay. Be able to do stuff. I mean,

864
00:50:02,431 --> 00:50:05,871
how. Like when they're at the table with quote

865
00:50:05,871 --> 00:50:10,071
unquote, the team. Oh yeah, they're just like. I

866
00:50:10,071 --> 00:50:14,511
thought this was Simon only meeting. No, no, he's

867
00:50:14,511 --> 00:50:18,591
gonna always bring his plus one, the way everyone

868
00:50:18,751 --> 00:50:22,111
feels. But then there's acknowledgment by Simon

869
00:50:22,191 --> 00:50:26,201
because he is a character who, who is fully aware

870
00:50:26,201 --> 00:50:30,761
of his inadequacies. And he just says, if I don't

871
00:50:30,761 --> 00:50:34,511
bring you, and people meet me, they think I'm a

872
00:50:34,511 --> 00:50:34,831
dick.

873
00:50:34,991 --> 00:50:35,791
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

874
00:50:35,791 --> 00:50:38,911
>> Sarah : And you see that a few times. Like. Yeah, he can

875
00:50:38,911 --> 00:50:39,951
come off that way.

876
00:50:40,271 --> 00:50:44,351
>> Will: Oh yeah. Thinking about that. Yeah, yeah. I mean

877
00:50:44,511 --> 00:50:46,471
like whenever, speaking of the Kathy Freeman

878
00:50:46,471 --> 00:50:50,851
episode, whenever, you know, whatever he was

879
00:50:50,851 --> 00:50:53,251
tracking, you know, talking just. I thought, what

880
00:50:53,251 --> 00:50:54,931
I thought was pretty funny. Like because he

881
00:50:54,931 --> 00:50:56,291
thought, you know, he thought his brother was

882
00:50:56,291 --> 00:50:58,211
going to like sabotage him because again, it's

883
00:50:58,211 --> 00:51:01,971
just because of that rivalry. And then, and then

884
00:51:01,971 --> 00:51:04,301
whenever he finds out that she talked to his ex

885
00:51:04,301 --> 00:51:07,621
girlfriend and you know, and they meet up and then

886
00:51:07,621 --> 00:51:10,021
to your point about him being a dick, I mean, you

887
00:51:10,021 --> 00:51:12,701
know, so she, you know, so they're catching up and

888
00:51:12,701 --> 00:51:15,861
then he just like launches into, you know, into

889
00:51:15,861 --> 00:51:17,821
the very thing she says to him. I think when she

890
00:51:17,821 --> 00:51:19,901
breaks up with him at the earlier and just, you

891
00:51:19,901 --> 00:51:24,241
know, it's just like. Yeah, he, you know, he just

892
00:51:24,801 --> 00:51:27,081
went on and on and on and on. And you know, I

893
00:51:27,081 --> 00:51:29,321
love, and I loved it, you know, as soon as I love

894
00:51:29,321 --> 00:51:31,531
the severance reference, by the way. yeah, but,

895
00:51:32,711 --> 00:51:34,751
But then just to seeing how that scene played out

896
00:51:34,751 --> 00:51:37,631
and just. And to your point, it's just like. Yeah,

897
00:51:37,631 --> 00:51:39,191
at the end of the day he's not, you know, it

898
00:51:39,191 --> 00:51:41,751
wasn't about. Yeah, there were things that.

899
00:51:42,231 --> 00:51:45,111
>> Sarah : Well, what I liked about that scene was she knew

900
00:51:45,111 --> 00:51:45,911
the whole time.

901
00:51:46,151 --> 00:51:46,471
>> Will: Yeah.

902
00:51:46,871 --> 00:51:52,151
>> Sarah : Like. And so I think that they did a good job with

903
00:51:52,651 --> 00:51:55,741
Because. And I say that because I am one to get

904
00:51:55,741 --> 00:51:58,541
annoyed when the viewer knows more than the

905
00:51:58,541 --> 00:52:02,381
character. Yeah, I, for some reason. And maybe

906
00:52:02,381 --> 00:52:07,861
it's because this didn't feel like Simon main lead

907
00:52:08,421 --> 00:52:11,501
all the time. I mean, like I said five minutes

908
00:52:11,501 --> 00:52:14,921
ago, we have treasurer Trevor, the safety blanket.

909
00:52:14,921 --> 00:52:18,961
So to me this was a, duo throughout the whole

910
00:52:18,961 --> 00:52:22,801
show. So it never felt like they were, they were

911
00:52:22,801 --> 00:52:25,481
both holding back secrets from one another.

912
00:52:25,801 --> 00:52:26,281
>> Will: Yep.

913
00:52:26,281 --> 00:52:31,321
>> Sarah : But so by the time we do get the reveal, it's

914
00:52:31,641 --> 00:52:34,841
played in such a. Or not when we get the reveal,

915
00:52:34,841 --> 00:52:39,321
when Simon gets the reveal, that this person who

916
00:52:39,321 --> 00:52:44,661
he's has become arguably one of the most important

917
00:52:44,741 --> 00:52:48,981
People in his life who he trusts without cause,

918
00:52:50,121 --> 00:52:55,961
who he finds a real friendship with is. Is the one

919
00:52:55,961 --> 00:52:59,161
who is betrayed him. While all of these other

920
00:52:59,161 --> 00:53:02,281
people he feels like he's been hiding himself

921
00:53:02,281 --> 00:53:05,561
from. His girlfriend, his brother, his mom.

922
00:53:06,071 --> 00:53:06,391
>> Will: Yep.

923
00:53:06,871 --> 00:53:12,631
>> Sarah : They've. They are all like, yeah, we know, and we

924
00:53:12,631 --> 00:53:15,711
accept that. And even though we find other

925
00:53:15,711 --> 00:53:18,311
frustrations, like, that has nothing to do with

926
00:53:18,311 --> 00:53:19,991
you being you.

927
00:53:20,391 --> 00:53:20,791
>> Will: Right.

928
00:53:21,131 --> 00:53:24,051
>> Sarah : So if you could just make a personality adjustment

929
00:53:24,051 --> 00:53:29,771
here and there. Yeah. So. And if you'd pay a few

930
00:53:29,771 --> 00:53:30,811
bills. I don't know.

931
00:53:31,051 --> 00:53:33,851
>> Will: Yeah. Pay a few bills. Yeah. Yeah. And I just.

932
00:53:34,211 --> 00:53:34,931
Yeah, yeah.

933
00:53:35,811 --> 00:53:39,891
>> Sarah : So it's just it. It hits, I think, so much harder

934
00:53:40,851 --> 00:53:47,021
that, like. Okay, now I buy into this idea that.

935
00:53:47,101 --> 00:53:49,381
Because there's a real emphasis throughout all

936
00:53:49,381 --> 00:53:52,421
these episodes leading up to this, that he's never

937
00:53:52,421 --> 00:53:54,661
had a friend before. Until Trevor.

938
00:53:54,661 --> 00:53:55,341
>> Will: Until Trevor.

939
00:53:55,341 --> 00:53:58,421
>> Sarah : And so it was the ultimate betrayal. As long as

940
00:53:58,421 --> 00:54:02,901
you understand that. And that that was like the

941
00:54:02,901 --> 00:54:05,981
one friend in the world is true for this

942
00:54:05,981 --> 00:54:06,621
character.

943
00:54:06,841 --> 00:54:10,381
>> Will: M. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That. Yeah. I mean, that

944
00:54:10,381 --> 00:54:14,061
whenever. Because I was. I like the way that they

945
00:54:14,061 --> 00:54:17,191
executed the betrayal. because we, you know,

946
00:54:17,191 --> 00:54:19,871
because, you know, the walls literally were

947
00:54:19,871 --> 00:54:22,031
closing in and the Kathy Freeman episode really

948
00:54:22,031 --> 00:54:25,381
like, you know, because all, you know, and I like

949
00:54:25,381 --> 00:54:28,501
it. It definitely because if you go with these.

950
00:54:28,741 --> 00:54:32,061
These things before, you know, a lot of times, you

951
00:54:32,061 --> 00:54:34,231
know, it's trying to hide, the heroes, trying to

952
00:54:34,231 --> 00:54:36,671
hide a secret identity and doing all the, like, to

953
00:54:36,671 --> 00:54:39,871
your point, you know, Simon was all worried that,

954
00:54:39,871 --> 00:54:41,831
you know, his ex is going to, like, out at more.

955
00:54:41,831 --> 00:54:43,431
His brother was going to out him because he's

956
00:54:43,431 --> 00:54:46,631
jealous of him and, you know, but at the end of

957
00:54:46,631 --> 00:54:49,551
the day, you know, whenever, you know, Kathy was

958
00:54:49,551 --> 00:54:52,391
like, oh, no, I. Simon, you're great. You know,

959
00:54:52,711 --> 00:54:55,791
and. And. But Trevor, let's talk about you. And

960
00:54:55,791 --> 00:54:59,111
when that happened at the table and. And I just,

961
00:54:59,111 --> 00:55:01,431
you know, and I just love being Kingsley. Just

962
00:55:01,431 --> 00:55:05,231
like this did everything to try to, you know, try

963
00:55:05,231 --> 00:55:09,791
to just dive, you know, kick in the direction and

964
00:55:09,791 --> 00:55:12,031
divert the attention other ways. And then they

965
00:55:12,031 --> 00:55:14,151
finally do have that moment in the. In the room.

966
00:55:14,151 --> 00:55:16,751
In the room there. And, you know, and they have

967
00:55:16,751 --> 00:55:19,761
the true confessions and just Simon going out and.

968
00:55:19,761 --> 00:55:23,561
And then, you know, you know, again using his

969
00:55:23,561 --> 00:55:26,121
powers. But it, you know, it wasn't to like, you

970
00:55:26,121 --> 00:55:28,161
know, solve a crime or anything. It was just. It

971
00:55:28,161 --> 00:55:30,361
was just, you know, we've seen. It was consistent

972
00:55:30,361 --> 00:55:32,921
with everything that we've seen in this show,

973
00:55:32,921 --> 00:55:37,521
which is. It was because, see, he's holding on to

974
00:55:37,521 --> 00:55:39,871
Stuff, and holding on to the secret, and then it

975
00:55:39,871 --> 00:55:43,311
just. Whenever he has an M. Well, it's an

976
00:55:43,311 --> 00:55:47,931
emotional. Emotional moment. Yeah. Outburst.

977
00:55:48,011 --> 00:55:54,171
>> Sarah : Right. Burst that. That occurs. But it's also very

978
00:55:54,251 --> 00:56:02,011
clever how within these four episodes, Simon uses

979
00:56:02,011 --> 00:56:08,091
his powers only because. Or for Trevor.

980
00:56:08,171 --> 00:56:08,651
>> Will: Yep.

981
00:56:10,251 --> 00:56:13,321
>> Sarah : And I mean from, all the way from the fifth

982
00:56:13,321 --> 00:56:17,521
episode, like, he intervenes in the fight, which

983
00:56:17,521 --> 00:56:18,721
leads to a tape.

984
00:56:18,961 --> 00:56:19,521
>> Will: Yep.

985
00:56:20,401 --> 00:56:24,161
>> Sarah : He. And then we have the outburst at the studio.

986
00:56:24,641 --> 00:56:25,201
>> Will: Yep.

987
00:56:25,681 --> 00:56:29,561
>> Sarah : Blowing up. Literally the biggest role he's ever

988
00:56:29,561 --> 00:56:29,921
had.

989
00:56:30,401 --> 00:56:30,801
>> Will: Yeah.

990
00:56:30,801 --> 00:56:36,521
>> Sarah : And then you. You have the, the ending, which.

991
00:56:37,321 --> 00:56:42,311
Which is him breaking Trevor out. and. And it's

992
00:56:42,311 --> 00:56:49,471
also that it's. It's also on the flip side because

993
00:56:49,471 --> 00:56:57,141
they very subtly go about this. This, trying to

994
00:56:57,541 --> 00:57:01,941
make us understand and fully get on board more

995
00:57:01,941 --> 00:57:05,841
with, like, Trev. It was always Trevor. It was

996
00:57:05,841 --> 00:57:09,521
never the Mandarin. Yeah, it was. And it. And the

997
00:57:09,521 --> 00:57:13,041
Mandarin really is the role. Trevor is the real

998
00:57:13,041 --> 00:57:13,441
deal.

999
00:57:13,681 --> 00:57:14,241
>> Will: Yeah.

1000
00:57:14,241 --> 00:57:18,441
>> Sarah : And. And. And I like, like, I'm glad you brought

1001
00:57:18,441 --> 00:57:21,841
up that conversation because. Because Kathy asked

1002
00:57:22,001 --> 00:57:28,401
the best question that I still think, knock on

1003
00:57:28,401 --> 00:57:31,291
wood. Fingers crossed. If we get a season two

1004
00:57:31,291 --> 00:57:34,851
ever, they. They could explore. Continue to

1005
00:57:34,851 --> 00:57:37,891
explore. But she. She raises the question, like,

1006
00:57:38,211 --> 00:57:42,731
actors carry. When you have a hard role, you hear

1007
00:57:42,731 --> 00:57:46,891
actors talk about this. They. They carry it. It's

1008
00:57:46,891 --> 00:57:49,891
hard to shake. It's depending on your process,

1009
00:57:50,131 --> 00:57:53,251
depending on how into it you get. It's a hard

1010
00:57:53,331 --> 00:57:57,451
thing to start, to separate that identity from

1011
00:57:57,451 --> 00:57:57,931
your own.

1012
00:57:58,281 --> 00:57:58,601
>> Will: Yeah.

1013
00:57:58,761 --> 00:58:03,721
>> Sarah : And. And we've seen that very subtly throughout

1014
00:58:03,721 --> 00:58:09,081
this season with Trevor, which to circle back to.

1015
00:58:09,321 --> 00:58:14,080
To Simon. You have a guy with superpowers who

1016
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:18,561
wants to be an actor, but specifically has the

1017
00:58:18,561 --> 00:58:22,121
opportunity to play a superhero.

1018
00:58:22,601 --> 00:58:26,361
>> Will: Yep. The original. And they find the glasses.

1019
00:58:27,641 --> 00:58:31,811
>> Sarah : Oh, my. Like, like, yeah. And the flashback with

1020
00:58:31,811 --> 00:58:36,891
the father, I thought was great. I just. From. I,

1021
00:58:36,891 --> 00:58:38,411
I think this was a delight.

1022
00:58:38,651 --> 00:58:40,331
>> Will: Oh, it totally was. Yeah.

1023
00:58:40,331 --> 00:58:42,091
>> Sarah : We. We have needed this.

1024
00:58:42,251 --> 00:58:42,651
>> Will: Yes.

1025
00:58:42,651 --> 00:58:46,251
>> Sarah : Now, granted, I am much more higher on Marvel

1026
00:58:46,331 --> 00:58:51,791
Things than Will. but for some reason, I did have

1027
00:58:51,791 --> 00:58:54,031
it in my gut that this was going to be good. And

1028
00:58:54,031 --> 00:58:56,671
that was like, way before people started watching

1029
00:58:56,671 --> 00:58:56,951
it.

1030
00:58:57,111 --> 00:59:00,351
>> Will: Yeah. You know, the trailers and the marketing,

1031
00:59:00,351 --> 00:59:03,281
what little I did see, it did not do the show. It

1032
00:59:03,281 --> 00:59:08,011
truly did not do the show justice at all. and. And

1033
00:59:08,011 --> 00:59:10,291
maybe that's a good thing. I mean, you know, I

1034
00:59:10,291 --> 00:59:12,451
mean, we mentioned this last week. It is the

1035
00:59:12,451 --> 00:59:14,671
Marvel Spotlight, series.

1036
00:59:15,311 --> 00:59:16,751
>> Sarah : Spotlight they've ever done.

1037
00:59:16,911 --> 00:59:22,241
>> Will: Yeah. and, and so, But, yeah, I mean, I, I

1038
00:59:22,241 --> 00:59:24,801
thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed this because. Yeah,

1039
00:59:24,801 --> 00:59:26,321
I think all the Things we've talked about this

1040
00:59:26,321 --> 00:59:29,961
evening, really, it's about the characters. Yeah.

1041
00:59:29,961 --> 00:59:31,601
You know, it's set in the super. You know. Yeah.

1042
00:59:31,601 --> 00:59:34,521
It's set in a superhero world, but at the end of

1043
00:59:34,521 --> 00:59:36,600
the day, this. That's not the focus.

1044
00:59:37,481 --> 00:59:39,081
>> Sarah : That's not even like.

1045
00:59:39,081 --> 00:59:39,681
>> Will: Not even.

1046
00:59:39,681 --> 00:59:45,721
>> Sarah : Yeah, it is, it is much more. And why it works and

1047
00:59:45,721 --> 00:59:50,681
why I hope it. The only way I want to see this

1048
00:59:50,681 --> 00:59:55,841
character and Trevor again is to see them do

1049
00:59:55,841 --> 00:59:56,801
Wonder man two.

1050
00:59:56,961 --> 00:59:58,401
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I want.

1051
00:59:58,401 --> 01:00:02,441
>> Sarah : Yeah, I want them to pop up in the Avengers. They

1052
01:00:02,441 --> 01:00:04,961
don't belong there. They are actors.

1053
01:00:05,281 --> 01:00:09,801
>> Will: Yep, they're actors. Speaking of which, can't let

1054
01:00:09,801 --> 01:00:11,841
this. Can't let a review go without Joey Pants

1055
01:00:11,841 --> 01:00:12,641
showing up again.

1056
01:00:13,521 --> 01:00:16,841
>> Sarah : Oh, thank you. I was like. I was looking through

1057
01:00:16,841 --> 01:00:20,981
my notes and I'm like some stuff like the

1058
01:00:20,981 --> 01:00:26,371
recasting, the, the editing of, watching that and

1059
01:00:26,371 --> 01:00:30,371
then the realization cast Trevor with Joey. I was

1060
01:00:30,371 --> 01:00:31,051
like, brilliant.

1061
01:00:31,291 --> 01:00:32,411
>> Will: Yeah, brilliant.

1062
01:00:32,411 --> 01:00:35,291
>> Sarah : Brilliant. And it doesn't matter. Never, never

1063
01:00:35,371 --> 01:00:38,171
tell Trevor and never let him see a frame of that

1064
01:00:38,171 --> 01:00:43,241
movie. and Billy Pants has to be in the sequel.

1065
01:00:43,571 --> 01:00:43,891
>> Will: Yes.

1066
01:00:44,291 --> 01:00:48,501
>> Sarah : I'm gonna say that there was also. we all want to

1067
01:00:48,501 --> 01:00:53,421
understand, much like last week when I said I want

1068
01:00:53,421 --> 01:00:57,981
to understand this exploding, exploding toilet

1069
01:00:58,301 --> 01:01:01,791
thing. Okay. On the set of the Rookie. I also want

1070
01:01:01,791 --> 01:01:05,351
to know exactly what JGL did to those pigeons.

1071
01:01:05,751 --> 01:01:09,341
Need background on that. I'm just going through,

1072
01:01:09,401 --> 01:01:16,371
the callback episode. The punch through the head.

1073
01:01:16,611 --> 01:01:21,051
>> Will: Oh, yes, yes. And the plate. Yeah, the punch

1074
01:01:21,051 --> 01:01:23,291
through the head. Yeah, that was also too. Another

1075
01:01:23,291 --> 01:01:25,771
thing too, is like I thought was so brilliant

1076
01:01:25,771 --> 01:01:28,091
about the callback episode because whenever Simon

1077
01:01:28,091 --> 01:01:30,371
did the scene from, from Pretty, Pretty Woman.

1078
01:01:30,931 --> 01:01:31,491
>> Sarah : Yeah.

1079
01:01:31,741 --> 01:01:34,741
>> Will: And, and it gets into again the mask, you know,

1080
01:01:34,741 --> 01:01:36,821
instead of just being authentic, you know, and

1081
01:01:36,821 --> 01:01:41,221
just tapping into, you know, what he feels, you

1082
01:01:41,221 --> 01:01:43,701
know, and you know, because I think that was the

1083
01:01:43,701 --> 01:01:47,041
direction that Vaughn. the, the. The Vaughn. Yeah.

1084
01:01:47,041 --> 01:01:48,841
You know, I want you to, you know what you're

1085
01:01:48,841 --> 01:01:50,961
feeling. And then of course, he just goes to like,

1086
01:01:51,521 --> 01:01:54,241
you know, a well known movie instead of just being

1087
01:01:54,241 --> 01:01:57,561
true to himself. And in that moment, I was just

1088
01:01:57,561 --> 01:01:59,121
thinking as I was watching and I was like, yeah,

1089
01:01:59,121 --> 01:02:01,121
here's his trip, you know, here's Simon putting up

1090
01:02:01,121 --> 01:02:01,921
another mask again.

1091
01:02:02,691 --> 01:02:05,581
>> Sarah : But, here, here's the thing, Will. And what I

1092
01:02:05,581 --> 01:02:07,621
thought was clever about that moment, in

1093
01:02:07,621 --> 01:02:11,541
particular the episode before with found footage,

1094
01:02:12,021 --> 01:02:15,621
as they're approaching the house to go steal the

1095
01:02:15,621 --> 01:02:19,221
bike back, he. Simon brings up. Okay, I had this

1096
01:02:19,221 --> 01:02:22,941
role and, and I remember a few lines. So. So we

1097
01:02:22,941 --> 01:02:26,781
could do this. Like in. And. And I feel like even

1098
01:02:26,781 --> 01:02:28,581
in the first four episodes, there were some

1099
01:02:28,581 --> 01:02:32,891
instances. Instances where his go to has been

1100
01:02:33,131 --> 01:02:36,811
okay, a movie, a role, something he's either been

1101
01:02:36,811 --> 01:02:38,731
in or seen and memorized.

1102
01:02:38,971 --> 01:02:39,451
>> Will: Yeah.

1103
01:02:39,451 --> 01:02:44,571
>> Sarah : He. And. And that again, reinforces this idea that

1104
01:02:44,571 --> 01:02:47,811
is brought up with his conversation between his

1105
01:02:47,811 --> 01:02:54,011
mom and Trevor where he just delved into the

1106
01:02:54,011 --> 01:02:54,971
fictional world.

1107
01:02:55,471 --> 01:02:55,871
>> Will: Yeah.

1108
01:02:56,271 --> 01:02:59,591
>> Sarah : Which. And he had quote unquote friends there so

1109
01:02:59,591 --> 01:03:02,991
he wouldn't feel so lonely. Like his real life

1110
01:03:02,991 --> 01:03:05,871
experiences are few and far between to actually

1111
01:03:05,871 --> 01:03:09,631
tap into. And then what he could use, he's afraid

1112
01:03:09,631 --> 01:03:15,671
to because of. Of the secret. So I just. The m.

1113
01:03:15,671 --> 01:03:20,071
The intentional. The m. Intentionality of the

1114
01:03:20,071 --> 01:03:23,371
script throughout the. All the episodes is just so

1115
01:03:23,371 --> 01:03:27,811
good. And I think that's why for first time in a

1116
01:03:27,811 --> 01:03:30,611
while, a majority of the comedy beats worked for

1117
01:03:30,611 --> 01:03:30,891
me.

1118
01:03:31,131 --> 01:03:31,611
>> Will: Yeah.

1119
01:03:31,641 --> 01:03:35,041
>> Sarah : and. And then you have these. These great

1120
01:03:35,041 --> 01:03:37,441
performances that are going to be completely

1121
01:03:37,441 --> 01:03:39,721
overlooked. Shame on them.

1122
01:03:39,801 --> 01:03:40,401
>> Will: Shame on them.

1123
01:03:40,401 --> 01:03:47,171
>> Sarah : Yeah, but I, I'm glad I watched. And I just. I. I

1124
01:03:47,171 --> 01:03:49,551
want more. But I also say that with an ass

1125
01:03:49,621 --> 01:03:52,621
asterisks. Don't give me more for the sake of

1126
01:03:52,621 --> 01:03:53,381
giving me more.

1127
01:03:53,381 --> 01:03:53,701
>> Will: Right.

1128
01:03:53,701 --> 01:03:54,181
>> Sarah : Okay.

1129
01:03:54,421 --> 01:03:55,941
>> Will: Yeah, I agree. I agree.

1130
01:03:55,941 --> 01:03:58,621
>> Sarah : Don't suddenly come back with a season two and

1131
01:03:58,621 --> 01:04:01,701
it's not a spotlight and it's an hour long. No,

1132
01:04:01,781 --> 01:04:07,021
the pacing was perfect. Pacing was perfect. So I.

1133
01:04:07,021 --> 01:04:11,861
I want more. But I. I want. This is just enough.

1134
01:04:12,261 --> 01:04:14,421
So I don't want to over. Indulge.

1135
01:04:14,581 --> 01:04:16,021
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

1136
01:04:16,021 --> 01:04:19,661
>> Sarah : yeah, I. I do. I do. While looking through my

1137
01:04:19,661 --> 01:04:23,871
quote, my notes, I took this time around. I think

1138
01:04:23,871 --> 01:04:26,391
there was more quotable moments during the first

1139
01:04:26,391 --> 01:04:29,661
half. but then again, there will never be a moment

1140
01:04:29,741 --> 01:04:37,101
quite like. Please do. Please go. What? The kid's

1141
01:04:37,101 --> 01:04:44,951
like 19. Just kill her. I don't trust him. I have

1142
01:04:44,951 --> 01:04:49,071
a bad feeling about him. Oh, my God. All right,

1143
01:04:49,071 --> 01:04:51,031
Will, on that note, why don't you tell our

1144
01:04:51,031 --> 01:04:52,431
listeners where they can find you?

1145
01:04:52,911 --> 01:04:56,031
>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at, Will.

1146
01:04:58,911 --> 01:05:01,191
>> Sarah : And you can find me there too, at S.J. belmont. S

1147
01:05:01,191 --> 01:05:04,391
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