A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms: First Impressions & Fallout S2 E5

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Greetings, nerds, this is Scene nNerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont. I'm with me

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as always. This is our Mr. Producer. Will Polk How are you doing tonight. Will,

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doing very well, Sarah. Happy Monday. Looking forward to,

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continuing to talk about Fallout and,

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start our

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journey back into West eroswith the A Knightof the seven Kingdoms.

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Yeah,

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I re I received a ver a text

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Yeah. Since we last recorded about you watching something like some kind of

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Yeah. I have started phenomenon.

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Yeah. I have started heated rivalry. I have started it, but I,

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but I'm not deep into it,

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I've only watched two episodes, but I really enjoyed the two episodes that I've watched.

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but yeah. Life Happened and other things, so I haven't had a chance to get back to

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it,

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but I do plan on finishing it this week.

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Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's,

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it's a good binge.

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well, landman season two. Oh, yeah.

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wrapped up.

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and I finished that and my dad,

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he's just like, have you watched it yet?

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Have you watched it yet all day today? And I'm like, yeah, yeah. I watched it.

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And to me, the ending was very predictable. I already knew based off of, I already

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had this idea in my mind that Tommy would find himself

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based on the previous action

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of Spoil Alert him getting fired.

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I knew

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what the Plan B would be.

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and that's exactly what happened in the finale. So I wasn't, I, I told him, I'm like,

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I'm not mad at the episode. I'm not

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as mad as I've been at other episodes this season, or as just frustrated with the

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lack of character growth. But I do find I did find it to be very predictable and

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nothing surprised me. So

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I'm not gonna be thinking to myself about season two of Landman anytime soon. So

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that's what, that's what I'll say.

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I also have,

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started the Pitt season two. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

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I'm almost

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caught up. I just have, like the

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last half hour of the second episode.

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only two episodes have come out, and I'm gonna take my time with it, like the episode,

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all the episodes aren't even out. I know we're getting a shit ton of episodes, and

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so I don't, I'm going to at least try not to fall too far behind though.

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because it is an intense,

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that's what I was gonna ask if it was.

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Yeah. What

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I was gonna ask you, is it is, is, is season two just as intense,

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at, at Season One?

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Well, yes, but

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the Intensity doesn't come at you all at once.

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There's building,

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it's, the, the big stuff won't happen until like, hour, like 6:00 PM 7:00 PM

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Yeah. We're, we're at 7:00 AM and 8:00 AM right now. Okay. So

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we're not gonna get into the, the big stuff. So it was just about

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starting the shift. It,

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it essentially, and this is by Design, starts pretty much the same way the first

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episode of the first season starts.

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And again, it's like this show is tailor made for that, and it's structured in a

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very specific way. So I have no problems with the formula working the way it needs

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to work.

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My, my problem with show has always been just character growth. And

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I, I think it's, it's, it's kind of interesting because now at the start, you kind

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of, you wanna know it, well, it's been

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10, 12 months supposedly since the last shift that we've been in.

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So you,

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as a viewer wanna know, okay, well what, what has this character been up to? Or what's

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going on with this character?

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and then also all the new people.

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so there was that, and there was also the kickoff of,

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tell Me Lies Season three, so, okay. Yeah.

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Which, yeah. Well,

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I, I will just say about Tell Me Lies season three.

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I was, I got very in depth into that show during season two.

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to the point where, like, I want,

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I was fortunate because I, I think I just randomly started season two, and then I

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went back while season two was still airing and, and watched and just binge season

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one and got all caught up.

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I just think that

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the way they started off in Season three, Lucy,

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is becoming,

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way too annoying.

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Way too annoying.

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it, it arguably had

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one of the most,

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how do I say this?

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Because it threw me off, and we watch a lot of shows with a lot of gore, a lot of

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nudity, a lot of very intense action, right?

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We watch the Boys. Yeah.

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I was very uncomfortable during a specific scene, and if you've seen the first three

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episodes, you know what scene I'm talking about. It's a scene between Steven when

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Steven forces that confession out of

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her.

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And this show is raunchy. Like this show is not a PG 13 show. So it's, it's, it's

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fascinating to me that

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arguably one of the most,

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how do I say this? Provocative scenes I've seen in this show, if not

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for at least last year,

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comes from just two people talking.

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It made me that uncomfortable. Now, granted, one of them was talking to a camera,

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basically

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telling lies or

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being coached to finesse the truth to make her look like the worst human being in

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the world.

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and, and it just, it was so uncomfortable to watch, so uncomfortable. I did not like

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it. Like a part of me,

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and this is very fitting for what the whole situation was,

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is that

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in a way,

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it felt like she was being, um,

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a woman be, um,

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sexually assaulted. Mm

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mm But, but she wasn't

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like, it was just the way what was happening

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and the manipulation

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that, and the toxicity between these two,

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that it just,

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it just made you sick to your stomach about

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what was,

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what was going on in that scene.

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I, I, I will leave it at that, is that

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for, they dropped three episodes, three of the eight episodes a season.

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up until that moment, I was just like, what, what are we doing here? And then that

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happened, and then some other stuff happened, and at least the last episode

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of the three, and

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I feel like we're, we are, we're back,

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and we're gonna go into some very dark and twisted places.

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because the, the, the third episode did end with the sex scene that I was also just

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Wow. Thank God I watched heated rivalry because this prepared me for this sex scene.

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yeah. Well, the only other thing, I guess as far as, as far as what been watching

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that, I guess part of the reason why I didn't finish he, speaking of Heat of Rivalry,

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that, that was the premier of Star Trek, star Fleet Academy last week.

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And I did a video,

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with, with my thoughts,

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about it. So go check it out if you haven't. And,

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I will just say for, for our folks here on the main show, really, really did like

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the, the, the two episode premier, I, I think,

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it was, it is off to a good start. It, it definitely, you know, there's definitely

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some familiar beats that you see,

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in, in Star Trek,

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but I think as far as like pilots, I think it's probably the strongest. One thing

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I think the, the, the premier

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episode was probably the strongest one of the, of the Modern Trek era since which

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started in 2017, was Star Trek Discovery.

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and so I really, so

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cast is great.

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the,

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Holly Hunter and Paul and Monty delivered just as

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you would expect they would.

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yeah, I think, you know, I think the show is, is a very, very promising one, of course,

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is having a bunch of just, you know,

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shitheads,

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review bombing something that they don't, don't even, they never even watched,

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for, you know, for for various reasons. They just, you know, it's just, you know,

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the same old bullshit that you see from

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various corners of the internet. But,

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but for folks who, who really have given it the show a

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fair chance,

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you know, I was skeptical. I mean, I will freely admit, but I, because of the way

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they had marketed the show,

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I was a little concerned

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that it was gonna be a little bit CW ish, but it's not. And, and I really, really,

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really like it. So I definitely go check it out. Looking forward to watching the

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third episode of this week. And,

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yeah. Yeah. I, I,

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at this point, it's, the franchise has been around 60 years, and if it, if, if it's

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going to to continue, we can't just be afraid to do something different. And I think

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that's one of the things, especially just

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speaking of like polarized fandoms from time to time, you know, with Kathleen Kennedy,

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step finally officially stepping down after much

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talk about when, if and when she was gonna do it, finally did happen. And Fellon,

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I guess her name is Brennan, is the,

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CEO of Lucasfilm moving forward.

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but,

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I, I think Star Trek is, is look, look, looked over at the other Star franchise and

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realized like,

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if you're go, you're, you're, if you're going to continue to be relevant and, and,

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and to, for future generations, and because, you know, old heads are can't sustain

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this forever,

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you're gonna have to do something different and take some creative chances. And,

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and I think Star Trek is doing that with,

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star Fleet Academy.

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but,

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you know, hopefully you then, maybe Star Wars will get that as well. I mean, I, they've

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done it a little bit and they've tried, but

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with, and or, you know, which I think is the greatest, you know, the biggest thing

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where, you know, star Wars can do, show that they can do prestige television.

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but getting back to Star Trek, I mean, I think,

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you know, star Trek has taken some chances, lower decks,

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but that's an animated show, not live action, but in the live action, they've been

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kind of playing it safe. So I think Star Fleet Academy's trying to break that mold.

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do you ever think with Star Trek, it just needs a break,

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a clean break where it's almost as though Yeah.

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Time

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allows not only new perspectives, but also creative growth. Like sometimes we just,

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like these ips, it just gets exhausted where you're just scratching your head and

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you're like,

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you, you've done everything apparently. So why are we continuing to beat a dead horse,

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even though it's a known Yeah.

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Quantity. Yeah. So Star Trek had that,

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twice actually, I think the first

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Well, three times, if you, well, from the original series to the, the films.

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Uh, but then there was that run from Next Generation where it ran from like 1987

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2000, I guess three, I think, when Enterprise, um,

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four season, maybe 2003, 2004.

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and then there was no Star Trek

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for a while,

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at least on television, you know, we did have the 2009 films. So, so there was,

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a break as far, and, and, and, and in 2009 films that JJ Abrams was behind

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did, did revitalize the franchise.

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and, and so, you know, I think JJ fell into his trap of,

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just,

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wash, rinse, repeat

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with, with the second film.

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but I think he, but the third film in, in the,

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Kelvin Universe that was in the alternate timeline,

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you know, was a, was a break. And I think Simon Peg and Justin Lynn did it, did,

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did do that.

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and I think the, whenever the show, whenever the Star Trek kicked off Paramount Plus

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with the,

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with Star Trek discovery in 2017, I think it was also

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a situation where, you know, as far as Star Trek being

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on the small screen,

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that was the first time it returned. And I, and I think they did do some

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good creative

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steps with, with Discovery, and, and I think it was, and that's why I think

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a lot, some quarters of the Fran of the fandom just never embraced it. But I mean,

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but a lot of people have, because clearly it worked. 'cause because at the end of

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the day, if a studio studios aren't gonna like, pour money into something if it's,

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if they're not getting a return on investment, and clearly they have. So, and even

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with the new ownership group with Paramount, I think they realized like, okay, this

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is an IP that can still make money.

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and,

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and Star Fleet Academy has, or has been

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greenlit for a second season. So,

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so yeah, I, you know, so I, I do think

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the franchise has had moments where, because of breaks and stuff, they've had some,

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you know, some good creative, good, good, some creative infusions. And they've, and

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like I said, they have taken some chances in the on animated side with Lordex and,

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even, even Prodigy,

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and Strange New Worlds, I think

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has also taken some creative leaps. First, especially the first two seasons, the

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third season, it, it kind of hit the,

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Mandalorian season three kind of vibe where it was just like, it was okay,

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but

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they, I don't know if it was the Rider strike or what, but it, it did hit some places

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where they tried a few things and it just didn't quite, they didn't quite nail it,

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but,

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but I think they'll course correct and, and, and, and finish out strong with the

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last two seasons.

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Nice. Nice. Course correction. Yeah.

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that brings us to

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one of the shows that we're gonna talk to about tonight, fallout season two, episode

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five, the Wrangler.

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so big chunk of this episode is about Goul and Lucy and Present Day Las Vegas, where

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they are surrounded by death clause, which are clearly surrounding the management

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vault that they are trying to break into, because that's where they believe Hank

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is, along with potentially,

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the Ghouls family

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the,

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we also see Hank and how he's been,

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what he's been doing with the whole control experiments, for lack of a better term.

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And he's made progress. And he, to the point where he sent one of those guys,

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one of the successes in, to basically offer a deal where it's bring his daughter

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to safety back to her vault.

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or he'll be forced

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to,

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let,

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the ghouls wife and daughter

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basically out of their slumber and

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basically pull the plug. Yeah.

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So, so I guess,

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what, what did you think about everything that was going on in this episode in Present

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Day with the Gul and Lucy? Yeah. Yeah. So overall, I, I really did enjoy this episode.

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It, it definitely felt

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for me,

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it felt like

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we had things happen in, in a, in a way that, um, well, I won't say it was, it was

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far from perfect,

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but I felt like the plot and the story really moved. We had a good progression

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in,

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in the present day.

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and, and, and with, and also the other thing I

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really noticed too was whenever this show just really scales it back and just really

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focuses on just a particular story set of characters instead of trying to like, spread

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it out across all the three, you know,

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both Lucy

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Goul and Maximus, but just sort of pull it back and just like, let's just focus on

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this week, Lucy

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and the Goul, and a little bit about Norm as well. But really the focus is gonna

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be on the Goul and, and Lucy.

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it, it,

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that it, it,

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it helps. It just feels more cohesive. And,

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so I thought that for me, it was probably the, my,

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the episode I liked the best so far this season

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for me.

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Right, right,

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right. Yeah.

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so what did you think about the flashback stuff?

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Oh, the flashback stuff, really, really,

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that's when I really got like, my attention span really, like locked in,

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because, you know, we learned,

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more

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about,

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Mr. Howard, Robert House

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and Mr. House. And,

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you know, basically House to me was like,

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you know, we've had these moments with House, you know, we got the in introduction

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to him in the first episode of the season

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where he, you know, was testing out the, the

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Mind device on, on the guys at the bar.

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really with this episode, when we had that scene between House and,

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and,

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Cooper, Cooper, Howard was back, Cooper Howard before he became the Goul,

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is when the, the, the show really just like went to the next level because,

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you know, because at that time,

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Cooper was, you know, still working with the,

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with com, with the,

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commun com, I guess they're communist,

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or separatist or whatever you wanna call them against all the industrialists.

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and of course,

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you know, earlier in the, in, earlier in their episode,

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you know, he, you know, whenever they were having the, the phone call when they went

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to that,

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he was like, look, I'm not gonna kill this man.

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I'll find out what I need, but, you know, I'm not a murderer.

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being, and, but whenever they did have the confrontation and,

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when, when Cooper was like,

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you, you know, you're the guy for your, you know, from the fucking toilet,

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because we, you know, we saw that that,

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house had been, had you had been using a double

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in all the public material,

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public appearances and stuff,

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it, it, it really

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getting through his motivations and how a house was just like, you know, kind of,

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you know, it was kind of like Dr. Evil mustache, truly villain, and where he was

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like, I have all these mathematical models and, and all that. But what, what it really

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boiled down to was House really just wants to have control. And the thing that really

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stood out to me was how house

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what, you know, he was, you know, he, he, you mentioned it like twice he was irked

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because he just couldn't figure out when Doomsday was going to come and trying to

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figure out what variable he missed.

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Yeah.

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yeah, I think that this episode,

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the strongest part of this episode was the flashback. I fell asleep during everything

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else.

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I, and, and why the flashback was strong was not necessarily Coop, because again,

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I feel like

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a lot of my criticism that I talked about last week, I still feel that way after

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this episode.

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where the characters,

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I, I'm, I'm not seeing

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too much progression. I I'm seeing the same characters that I've met in season one,

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just,

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little tweaks of different circumstances.

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So,

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the Flashback stood out because this is our first, like, really true confrontation

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between House and, and Howard,

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Robert House and Cooper Howard.

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Yeah.

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And,

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what I thought was interesting was more when

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Robert,

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brought up the quote unquote other player,

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this idea that I'm your villain right now,

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but there's somebody else,

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and, and I don't know if it's true or not, that Robert House know who that other

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person is,

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but towards the end of it, the conversation, he was basically implying that it's

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not gonna be him who ends this world, it's somebody else.

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Yeah. And, um, and then he all, he then even said, it could even be Cooper Howard,

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but,

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which I don't know if was a good writing decision, because

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we already know where Cooper Howard was when the bomb went off. We see that in the

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pilot episode.

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So I, I got kind of confused as to like why he would even throw that out there,

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but maybe it's also just confirmation that Robert House really doesn't know who's

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going to push the button.

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So,

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and, and something that this scene and this,

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exchange really got me thinking about was more from the stance of this story, and

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I kind of brought this up last week as well, is

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so season one

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unknowingly,

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but towards the middle you kind of figure out your big bad of the season is Hank,

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essentially.

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yeah.

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at least for the,

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well, technically for all of the storylines, because he is the person behind what

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happened to Maximus and his family.

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Yep, yep. So, so he was villain, but you can't do Hank season two. So now we've pushed

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forward Robert House,

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and so I can just see the end of Robert House by this season.

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And, and like Hank still be floating in the background. I think Hank will always

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be the overall bad guy, like the go, the default villain. But I think e each season

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it's just gonna be another person. Probably all of the people who were around that

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ta

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table talking with Cooper's wife about Doomsday.

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And,

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and then the other thing that bothered me,

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and I, I didn't, and obviously it didn't bother me enough 'cause I could have easily

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done this,

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am I mistaken? Will, but

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in that pilot episode

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Was Cooper, or was Cooper not with his daughter?

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He was during Tuesday. He was, he he was, yeah. That, that was the thing that, with

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that scene today when I was watching episode five, I was like, what, you know what,

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because Hal

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had

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put it out there about

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his daughter's birthday

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and, and because of the actions that Cooper did, now he's pushed things up a day.

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So

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Yeah. So, but my mind, like, like yours immediately went to that, to the first episode.

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I was like, well, wait a minute now. They were at the party and things were, you

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know, they saw, saw the bombs hit Los Angeles.

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so that, see, that, that definitely,

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that's not the part that triggered me thinking about it.

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The part that triggered my, me thinking about it was during the deal in the present.

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Mm-hmm.

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Because if Cooper was with his daughter on the day that the bombs went out,

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why is she suddenly

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with his wife in the management,

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a vault?

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yeah, that was the other thing too, because we did see,

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We did see the two

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vaults in, in the,

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in the safe area with, with Hank.

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So that Yeah, I, I I, I, I did think about that too, because yeah.

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did you know was, was, was Cooper able to get her to her mom or something, you know,

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because

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at some point,

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you know, because because of course we, you know,

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we saw the whole thing with Cooper crashing out,

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in after his,

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meeting with, with,

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with Mr. House, Robert. Yeah.

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And so, you know, and at the end of the episode,

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he did, you know, he did say to his wife, we need to talk.

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so, so,

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we'll, we'll, I, we will

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probably get some, you know, more in the, up in the upcoming episodes more,

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flashbacks to give us a better context for like,

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how did the daughter end up in the vault?

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Yeah. Yeah. Because that was a big

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red flag for me. 'cause I'm just like,

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you didn't set it up that way in the pilot episode? Nope. No. So if we were watching

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it, it was basically implied that the daughter died and he survives somehow. But

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then again, we,

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other than the big explosion, we, we don't know the bits and pieces of,

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time or logistics, so

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who knows. But I'm, I'm sure they will, they, they have to fill in the, the gaps.

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But will we see it this season or next season? I don't know, probably next season.

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Yeah, I can, yeah. I, I really think they're just milking stuff

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for some reason, and that always irritates me, but I just, I feel as though

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they are milking.

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but this world is so big that we don't always have to be following Lucy and the ghoul.

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Like, you can, you can have their their first act, second act, third act, and then

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be done with their story and move on to somebody else, if not a whole, like, fly

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to the other coast, what was going on in New York during this time. Yeah.

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Um, so I mean, as mentioned in this episode, vaults were all over the place. Yeah.

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And Management Vault specifically,

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were all over the place. All all over the place. So, and I guess, you know, and I

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guess that's the thing, given that,

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part of your, an part of the answer to your question is somehow, even though we saw

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the events in the first episode of the, of the series

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is heavily implied

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that,

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the, the,

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that she

496
00:25:50,620 --> 00:25:55,720
did not make it. And, but, but then, you know, we, we, but, but, but on the flip

497
00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:00,430
side, because the Goul has been searching for the two of them for the last two, you

498
00:26:00,430 --> 00:26:04,60
know, for however, what, 200 years or 300 years or however long it's been.

499
00:26:04,60 --> 00:26:10,360
we, you know, it, they, he, she did indeed survive. So, so, like I said, going, not

500
00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:13,690
to repeat myself too much, but going back to the end of this episode

501
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,900
when, when Cooper says to the wife, we need to talk,

502
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:22,510
we'll get some answers to that. So maybe there was like an emergency vault thing

503
00:26:22,510 --> 00:26:25,180
nearby their house and he was able to get her into,

504
00:26:25,180 --> 00:26:26,500
you know, and so

505
00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:27,880
just, just thinking out loud, but,

506
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,920
so I guess we'll have to be patient and we'll get there.

507
00:26:30,610 --> 00:26:30,940
Yeah.

508
00:26:31,900 --> 00:26:34,240
I don't think we're not gonna get there. We will.

509
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,820
the other thing that happened,

510
00:26:36,820 --> 00:26:43,210
in this episode that is not the ghoul Lucy related is Norm the Buds, which, yeah.

511
00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:49,600
I just feel as though we need a whole norm in the Buds episode at this point, because

512
00:26:50,260 --> 00:26:55,480
I think that they could really do some interesting things with these characters.

513
00:26:55,780 --> 00:27:02,470
Yeah. And, and they've kind of hinted at it just the idea that they still refer to

514
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:08,740
200 years previously as yesterday. Well, I started in this company last week. The,

515
00:27:08,740 --> 00:27:17,740
it's just the, the, the PTSD that is slowly working its way through these, these

516
00:27:17,740 --> 00:27:24,970
buds who suddenly find themselves. It, it's an entirely new perspective then that

517
00:27:24,970 --> 00:27:26,980
we've had on this world

518
00:27:27,490 --> 00:27:29,770
and this time timeframe.

519
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,740
Um, because before it was,

520
00:27:32,770 --> 00:27:37,870
it was, it's always the vault people who are just like, they don't understand what's

521
00:27:37,870 --> 00:27:42,970
going on in the surface level level because they didn't grow up there. But now you're,

522
00:27:43,00 --> 00:27:47,330
you're taking that one step further and you're introducing the buds who were this

523
00:27:47,330 --> 00:27:53,960
whole time haven't necessarily been in awake or alive during, to live in a vault,

524
00:27:54,290 --> 00:27:58,970
but find themselves awoken and then immediately thrown into the surface level.

525
00:27:59,930 --> 00:28:04,580
And, and so I think they could, we could really have some interesting stories come

526
00:28:04,580 --> 00:28:05,240
out of that.

527
00:28:06,170 --> 00:28:09,260
I feel like it's being pushed to the side a little bit.

528
00:28:09,260 --> 00:28:09,320
yeah.

529
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:15,170
But we're also getting breadcrumbs some things because we got a breadcrumb

530
00:28:15,950 --> 00:28:17,450
as Norm discovers,

531
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:22,40
some files and what is called a forced

532
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,740
evolutionary virus.

533
00:28:25,610 --> 00:28:26,540
So

534
00:28:27,80 --> 00:28:33,200
have we heard about this evolutionary virus before in any of the previous episodes?

535
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:39,500
Or do you think we've seen the product of the evolutionary virus,

536
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,330
through it? I think we've seen the testing.

537
00:28:41,330 --> 00:28:43,820
Yeah. I think we've seen the product of it, and I think

538
00:28:44,330 --> 00:28:48,290
it was maybe hinted at in a earlier episode.

539
00:28:48,290 --> 00:28:48,740
but,

540
00:28:48,740 --> 00:28:51,860
in this, in, in either this season, I think it also,

541
00:28:52,370 --> 00:28:57,560
if I, if, if I recall, it may be something from one of one of the video games. I

542
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,810
mean, I'm not, I'm not, I haven't played the game, but I,

543
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:01,430
I did when I was just,

544
00:29:01,430 --> 00:29:03,710
looking at, at, at a, a summary

545
00:29:04,490 --> 00:29:06,500
of this episode. Someone had the,

546
00:29:07,10 --> 00:29:08,660
reviewer had noted that,

547
00:29:08,660 --> 00:29:12,890
I think this forced evolutionary vir virus was mentioned in one of the games, and

548
00:29:12,890 --> 00:29:17,570
it also mentioned it was hinted at by I think the guy who choked,

549
00:29:17,570 --> 00:29:18,320
norm out,

550
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,450
or someone, one of those other vault,

551
00:29:20,450 --> 00:29:21,770
management vault dwellers,

552
00:29:22,340 --> 00:29:24,680
was as far as Buds Buds on

553
00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:26,180
did, did

554
00:29:26,990 --> 00:29:30,200
had a little glancing something about FEV. So,

555
00:29:30,770 --> 00:29:33,320
so yeah. So it's been referenced out there, but I, I, but

556
00:29:34,10 --> 00:29:35,30
I didn't personally see it.

557
00:29:35,30 --> 00:29:38,00
I just saw it and just, and I reviewed it. I was reading about this episode. Right,

558
00:29:38,170 --> 00:29:39,20
right. Right. Yeah.

559
00:29:39,740 --> 00:29:45,470
I also really enjoyed, for some reason, the line, I didn't laugh out loud, but I

560
00:29:45,470 --> 00:29:46,760
did think this is cute.

561
00:29:47,270 --> 00:29:48,320
puppy the cat.

562
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,400
Isn't that fun? I, I just, it always humors me because it's such a

563
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,280
authentic thing when

564
00:29:55,850 --> 00:30:01,250
you have cr created in your own mind a hilarious joke.

565
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:07,40
And then you tell to someone else, and they don't immediately react to it. So you

566
00:30:07,40 --> 00:30:10,40
either laugh or say, but, but that is funny, right?

567
00:30:11,00 --> 00:30:12,320
Or was it just funny to me?

568
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:13,570
Yeah. Yeah.

569
00:30:13,570 --> 00:30:17,80
That was a good, I I, I like that moment. Like, like you said, I, I didn't let, I

570
00:30:17,80 --> 00:30:17,560
did kind of,

571
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,700
it, it was more to chuckle to the, the, to the point what you just said. It was not

572
00:30:22,700 --> 00:30:23,600
so much, it was the

573
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:24,260
puppy, the cat,

574
00:30:24,260 --> 00:30:25,640
puppy, the cat was funny, but just her,

575
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,630
the, the, the natural thing that we've all been in conversations where

576
00:30:30,260 --> 00:30:33,80
that that very thing has happened, which you just referenced.

577
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:34,280
Yeah. Yeah.

578
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,770
it's a, it, it's very authentic.

579
00:30:36,770 --> 00:30:41,540
and that's what sometimes I, I feel is lacking specifically with,

580
00:30:42,50 --> 00:30:44,570
the Lucy Goul storyline.

581
00:30:45,80 --> 00:30:45,680
but

582
00:30:46,250 --> 00:30:50,180
you know, like, like you said, we definitely are,

583
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:55,880
they, they definitely within these fast five episodes have created a clear trajectory

584
00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,890
for the season. We have our bad guy, we have our quote unquote mysteries.

585
00:31:01,430 --> 00:31:03,740
And, and so,

586
00:31:04,340 --> 00:31:10,760
now it's like the, the third part where we got three more episodes remaining,

587
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,530
of this season. So,

588
00:31:13,130 --> 00:31:19,640
and, and I think really why I was like, Ugh, about this episode was my favorite storyline

589
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,200
right now is going on is all with the brotherhood. So, so

590
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,720
I was just like, wow, there's no Maximus in this episode. Interesting. Yeah. But

591
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,850
it's weird because I will say it took me after the episode ending for me to really

592
00:31:32,910 --> 00:31:37,50
like that dawn on me. Like, oh, yeah, he wasn't in here at all. And,

593
00:31:37,710 --> 00:31:43,920
and I think they did that, not, not just because of like the focusing, but they had

594
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,880
to focus so much on what was going on in the past in this episode. Yeah.

595
00:31:48,420 --> 00:31:54,570
we, we got significantly more flashbacks than we have in previous episodes this season,

596
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,100
so. Agreed, agreed.

597
00:31:56,730 --> 00:32:00,690
that brings us to our second show of the night and,

598
00:32:00,690 --> 00:32:04,110
the start of our return to Westeros,

599
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:09,270
a new time in West Westeros. It's in between the,

600
00:32:09,270 --> 00:32:15,00
house of the Dragon and the Game of Thrones. A night of the Seven Kingdoms, episode

601
00:32:15,00 --> 00:32:16,890
one, the hedge night

602
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:22,560
on his journey to the forthcoming tournament in Ashford. Dunk meets a clever young

603
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,800
boy named Egg who offers to be his squire

604
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,750
Will. What did you think about the pilot episode of the show?

605
00:32:30,750 --> 00:32:33,930
A to me, it was a very strong start. So

606
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:37,680
I have gotten into the whole West Rose

607
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:40,980
world, and so I did

608
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,10
actually go and read to novella that,

609
00:32:44,10 --> 00:32:46,500
this first season of

610
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:49,560
the Night of the Seven Kingdoms is, is based on,

611
00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:52,20
the hedge night. And so

612
00:32:52,590 --> 00:32:55,710
I, I, I really thought that it captured

613
00:32:55,710 --> 00:32:57,00
the, the first book,

614
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:58,630
the Novella,

615
00:32:59,260 --> 00:33:00,10
really

616
00:33:00,10 --> 00:33:00,760
was,

617
00:33:01,540 --> 00:33:05,200
after the, the scale and scope of so many things with the Tar Taggar

618
00:33:05,860 --> 00:33:09,820
and all that, with the House of the Dragon, and came a Thrones, you know, this is

619
00:33:09,820 --> 00:33:15,610
more, more of a more intimate story about this, this, this hedge night. Uh, and,

620
00:33:15,610 --> 00:33:19,80
and, and, and, and, and his, his, his journey in,

621
00:33:19,80 --> 00:33:24,240
this, in the small folk world, uh, be being a, being an unencumbered knight. And

622
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,550
so, I, I really, I really

623
00:33:27,210 --> 00:33:30,780
thought it was a strong start to, to this show, really,

624
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,280
you know, there were some moments, I think we all know which moment in the first

625
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,120
like few minutes of the episode where I was just like, huh.

626
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:40,350
But,

627
00:33:40,350 --> 00:33:42,330
but then I got right back on board and,

628
00:33:42,330 --> 00:33:43,560
having read the story,

629
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,30
I was like, oh yeah, this, it really is staying, it is staying faithful and not in

630
00:33:48,30 --> 00:33:50,970
a way that is like handcuffing the episode,

631
00:33:51,660 --> 00:33:57,30
but in, in a way that was like, oh, yeah, now I, I actually have a, a deeper appreciation

632
00:33:57,30 --> 00:34:00,270
of what they're doing here. So I, I really did like the start of this episode.

633
00:34:00,270 --> 00:34:00,510
I'm

634
00:34:01,20 --> 00:34:01,980
so,

635
00:34:01,980 --> 00:34:05,550
I don't know if I was in the right frame of mind to watch this.

636
00:34:05,550 --> 00:34:06,780
I don't know why,

637
00:34:07,290 --> 00:34:11,250
but hearing your first overall impressions about it,

638
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,830
hearing others, having watched a podcast or two, or listened to some people talk

639
00:34:16,830 --> 00:34:18,120
about the episode today?

640
00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:24,420
I, I just feel like, I'm not saying it was bad. I don't think it was bad.

641
00:34:24,420 --> 00:34:25,50
It was fine.

642
00:34:25,710 --> 00:34:28,500
but I, I also,

643
00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:29,310
felt bored

644
00:34:29,310 --> 00:34:36,220
and I just, I don't know why. And it's, it's, I can't even pinpoint exactly why.

645
00:34:36,220 --> 00:34:40,390
I was just not interested in anything that was going on.

646
00:34:40,390 --> 00:34:42,340
there, there were clear,

647
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,140
conversations happening, and I would just be like, oh my God, I have no idea what

648
00:34:47,140 --> 00:34:48,250
they were just talking about.

649
00:34:49,630 --> 00:34:52,210
so, but I did get the overall

650
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,880
gist of what was going on and

651
00:34:55,420 --> 00:34:59,530
who we're being introduced to and, and everything. So,

652
00:35:00,40 --> 00:35:05,20
I don't know, a part of me also just wishes there was a second episode because it

653
00:35:05,20 --> 00:35:10,180
was, it's, it's, yeah, it was 40 minutes. This was the longest episode of the season

654
00:35:10,510 --> 00:35:16,60
that we're going to get. I just felt like I needed a little bit more, but then again,

655
00:35:16,60 --> 00:35:21,940
I don't know, I, I'm, I'm okay with having shorter episodes. It just,

656
00:35:22,540 --> 00:35:28,540
we've been inundated with these series, starting with the drops of two, three episodes

657
00:35:28,540 --> 00:35:31,10
that to start with, one, you're just like,

658
00:35:31,790 --> 00:35:33,290
oh, well now I have to wait a week.

659
00:35:33,290 --> 00:35:39,280
and, and it was all set up. It was a lot of set up and start of things, so,

660
00:35:39,970 --> 00:35:42,790
which kind of has, has their own formula. So,

661
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:49,240
yeah, I think it was fine. I, I like the actors in the episode, but I also will tell

662
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:49,780
you, I'm,

663
00:35:49,780 --> 00:35:52,30
I wasn't blown away by anything, and

664
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:53,380
I wasn't

665
00:35:54,10 --> 00:35:55,510
as I have been,

666
00:35:56,80 --> 00:35:58,390
about other things in this world.

667
00:35:58,390 --> 00:36:03,190
So, is it, let me ask you this then. Is it because it was, because it was a sort

668
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:04,180
mortar more

669
00:36:04,780 --> 00:36:06,40
quieter start

670
00:36:06,40 --> 00:36:09,580
then, or just as far as like, 'cause you,

671
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:16,30
especially coming off of House of the Dragon and, and I've, I haven't finished all

672
00:36:16,30 --> 00:36:16,330
of

673
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:21,250
Game of Thrones, but I have, I have been working my way through, through the series

674
00:36:21,460 --> 00:36:23,830
as far as, not the books, but, but the TV show.

675
00:36:23,830 --> 00:36:27,490
but I, if I recall like the very first episode of Game of Thrones, it was, you know,

676
00:36:28,00 --> 00:36:30,700
as far as introduced to these characters and everything, it was

677
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:32,80
still

678
00:36:32,590 --> 00:36:33,700
relatively,

679
00:36:33,700 --> 00:36:36,160
you know, quieter, quieter story.

680
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,700
Absolutely. Than, you know, than the, the spectacle and the, you know, the red wedding

681
00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:44,510
and all the big events that everybody like, you know, associates with the franchise.

682
00:36:44,510 --> 00:36:44,870
So

683
00:36:45,860 --> 00:36:46,160
was

684
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,60
was it just,

685
00:36:47,60 --> 00:36:49,910
I mean, was the, just the intro of Dunk,

686
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:55,320
well, you, you know me and, you know, my taste and preferences. I, I love just conversations.

687
00:36:55,380 --> 00:36:56,520
I hate spectacles.

688
00:36:57,110 --> 00:36:59,00
Yeah. I do know that. Yes, I do know. So,

689
00:36:59,00 --> 00:37:06,290
I don't really know if it was like, I, and I agree with you, I, it took a while for

690
00:37:06,290 --> 00:37:12,20
me to get into the first season of Game of Thrones, without a doubt. Like, and that's

691
00:37:12,20 --> 00:37:15,290
what I was getting at while I was talking, was that

692
00:37:15,830 --> 00:37:18,650
like, this is the start of something. So

693
00:37:19,370 --> 00:37:25,880
it's, it's slower, it's quieter, it's a lot of exposition, and it's also, it's even

694
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:26,990
more quieter,

695
00:37:27,590 --> 00:37:29,150
like that quietness

696
00:37:29,780 --> 00:37:34,670
is amplified because for majority of this episode, he's talking to horses.

697
00:37:34,670 --> 00:37:37,820
Yeah. Well, yeah. And yeah, which there's nothing wrong. Like,

698
00:37:37,820 --> 00:37:44,300
I, I don't find his character annoying. I think he's really interesting. There was

699
00:37:44,300 --> 00:37:48,980
just something about the way this was presented that, that

700
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:53,150
I was like, okay, cool. Moving on.

701
00:37:53,150 --> 00:37:58,260
I'm not attached to anything, but you read the source material too, so you're coming

702
00:37:58,260 --> 00:38:04,650
at this from the, that perspective of like, yeah. You know, the full story. I don't

703
00:38:04,650 --> 00:38:07,770
know the full story about this. So

704
00:38:07,770 --> 00:38:15,240
it's, it's also like, you gotta get, give me time to watch the story unfold on this

705
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:19,870
show. Yeah. And for me to grow attachments to the characters before. Yeah.

706
00:38:19,870 --> 00:38:20,90
So,

707
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,890
yeah. Well, not being still protective.

708
00:38:22,890 --> 00:38:25,630
No, no, no. Yeah, I, I I'm not being protective. I mean, I,

709
00:38:25,630 --> 00:38:26,920
I could, you know, I,

710
00:38:27,460 --> 00:38:31,900
so, 'cause I, you know, I have been on both sides of the fence of where I hadn't

711
00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:35,110
read the source material and came into this, into this world,

712
00:38:35,110 --> 00:38:36,160
um,

713
00:38:36,580 --> 00:38:37,420
uninitiated,

714
00:38:37,420 --> 00:38:41,410
um mm-hmm. Even more so with House of the Dragon, because, you know, whenever we

715
00:38:41,410 --> 00:38:41,770
started

716
00:38:41,770 --> 00:38:46,930
House of the Dragon, I had not watched Game of Thrones. Right. So, so I didn't have,

717
00:38:47,50 --> 00:38:52,480
you know, I had, other than just the pop culture zeitgeist references, I, I came

718
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:53,500
into a cold. So it,

719
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:54,730
but

720
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,620
I, I will say that, you know, and I'm, I'm not gonna reference to Novela at all at

721
00:38:59,620 --> 00:39:04,00
this point. It's just, just like, just from a pure, I try my best to divorce the

722
00:39:04,00 --> 00:39:04,300
two.

723
00:39:06,40 --> 00:39:07,420
but I will say

724
00:39:08,20 --> 00:39:08,680
that,

725
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:09,40
to your,

726
00:39:09,550 --> 00:39:11,290
what I liked about dunk

727
00:39:12,130 --> 00:39:14,260
and egg, this just, just their interactions,

728
00:39:15,10 --> 00:39:17,170
uh, well let start with Dunk first.

729
00:39:17,690 --> 00:39:18,820
I, I liked

730
00:39:19,870 --> 00:39:20,650
how

731
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,660
he, well, you know, we, we, we, I liked the, his just innocence about, there was

732
00:39:25,660 --> 00:39:26,590
an innocence about him

733
00:39:27,460 --> 00:39:28,60
that,

734
00:39:28,60 --> 00:39:32,140
in, especially in, you know, when we're so used to like all the politics and the

735
00:39:32,140 --> 00:39:35,260
drama of all these characters in this world,

736
00:39:35,950 --> 00:39:40,570
it was kind of refreshing to see this like lung kind of this, you know, seven foot

737
00:39:40,750 --> 00:39:41,80
longhead

738
00:39:41,620 --> 00:39:43,540
just kinda muddle his way through.

739
00:39:44,740 --> 00:39:47,830
like for example, just trying to get on the list to,

740
00:39:47,830 --> 00:39:54,370
to even participate in, in attorney. And, and, and so it was just like, okay, here's,

741
00:39:54,430 --> 00:39:58,30
here's here, basically here's, here's a day in the life of a person in West Coast

742
00:39:58,30 --> 00:40:00,10
just trying to like, just trying to eke out a living,

743
00:40:00,580 --> 00:40:03,430
you know, he's an unattached knight, you know, hence the Hedge Knight,

744
00:40:03,940 --> 00:40:04,600
moniker.

745
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,130
and I, I thought

746
00:40:06,130 --> 00:40:10,540
it was just, other than the, the explosive diarrhea, which even George R. Martin

747
00:40:10,540 --> 00:40:13,990
was not a fan of, I was just like, okay, this is, you know, I I like

748
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:18,40
the, I I, I just like how they're introducing this, this guy to us.

749
00:40:18,40 --> 00:40:19,270
Yeah. I,

750
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:20,680
so

751
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,360
I, I do like dunk,

752
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:23,320
and

753
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,430
I was actually messing with the captions during that whole scene. So

754
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:27,870
I have a,

755
00:40:28,90 --> 00:40:30,190
I have a very unique perspective on

756
00:40:30,190 --> 00:40:30,490
it.

757
00:40:31,420 --> 00:40:36,820
It was kind of there, but it wasn't there for me at the same time. So like, that's

758
00:40:36,820 --> 00:40:40,480
not, that's not at, I don't feel as though that has,

759
00:40:40,990 --> 00:40:43,60
impacted the way I feel about this show.

760
00:40:43,690 --> 00:40:50,590
because I, I do appreciate seeing a day in life of someone in this world. And at

761
00:40:50,590 --> 00:40:55,690
the end of the day, I, I can't not like this show because I still just love this

762
00:40:55,690 --> 00:40:56,170
world.

763
00:40:56,170 --> 00:41:01,150
whether we're looking at someone like Dunk or someone like the,

764
00:41:01,810 --> 00:41:04,30
over in King's Landing. So

765
00:41:04,780 --> 00:41:09,10
it doesn't matter. It's just, it's a very rich world nonetheless.

766
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:15,160
Yeah. And so to, the thing that stuck out to me about Dunk and

767
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:17,20
where I was

768
00:41:18,10 --> 00:41:24,100
locked in for like five minutes was mainly with his conversation with Lionel, because

769
00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:28,690
I really appreciate the line. The Seven Above gave you Tallness, so be Tall.

770
00:41:29,470 --> 00:41:29,620
Yeah.

771
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,90
And, and I think that's the epitome of what

772
00:41:34,930 --> 00:41:36,400
was intended for,

773
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,760
viewers who aren't aware about this character

774
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:47,890
and who he is, is like, is this line, because then it, as a viewer, you start to

775
00:41:47,890 --> 00:41:51,130
see his tendency not to be tall.

776
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:59,470
Like his greatest attribute is something he's trying to hide away. And you also hear

777
00:41:59,470 --> 00:42:06,700
about it and see it firsthand and, and how people question what he's doing and, and

778
00:42:06,700 --> 00:42:09,190
who he is and why he like

779
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:14,290
this idea that he doesn't want to be obtrusive.

780
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,380
He'd rather be forgotten

781
00:42:18,370 --> 00:42:19,390
than be seen.

782
00:42:20,20 --> 00:42:20,140
Yeah.

783
00:42:20,650 --> 00:42:26,790
at the same token, he needs to be seen in order to get what he wants. So it's, I

784
00:42:26,830 --> 00:42:33,130
I, I do appreciate, I appreciate that, and that's why I am like, I'm like, okay with

785
00:42:33,130 --> 00:42:33,820
this show.

786
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:36,70
And, and

787
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:43,270
what I hope happens is by the end of the season, I'm, I'm more obsessed with it,

788
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:44,650
and I'm just more

789
00:42:44,650 --> 00:42:48,550
like the overall arc. It's just a slow start for me.

790
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:50,170
It's just, oh, no, this, yeah. I mean, it's just a slow start.

791
00:42:50,170 --> 00:42:55,20
Yeah. Which happens, I'll, which happens more often than you think. I mean, any,

792
00:42:55,30 --> 00:42:59,310
anybody, anybody who has been listening to us long enough, the number of shows we

793
00:42:59,310 --> 00:43:03,930
have started series we have started, and I have complained about the first episode,

794
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:05,790
the one exception

795
00:43:06,300 --> 00:43:11,230
of y'all was how much I was obsessed with the pilot episode of Paradise. So,

796
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,860
yeah, true. Which, we'll, yeah, we'll be getting to that one here season two soon.

797
00:43:14,860 --> 00:43:18,790
But yeah, I, I agree. I know the, I know they expanded,

798
00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:22,210
just a little bit difference between the, the book and the, and the,

799
00:43:23,50 --> 00:43:25,990
show. I mean, they did expand the,

800
00:43:26,650 --> 00:43:28,290
interactions with Lionel and, and,

801
00:43:28,290 --> 00:43:30,140
but I agree with you that, that

802
00:43:30,140 --> 00:43:31,880
that was definitely an a, a a, a

803
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:33,260
line that,

804
00:43:33,260 --> 00:43:37,430
I did appreciate as well as far as the Seven Above gave you, you know, tallness to

805
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:38,960
be tall. 'cause I mean, I think that,

806
00:43:39,770 --> 00:43:41,660
you know, that really, you know,

807
00:43:42,170 --> 00:43:46,490
in that there was like two things going on there. One, it was like telling, telling

808
00:43:46,490 --> 00:43:52,280
Dunk to embrace who you are, but also I think it was very reflective of, of, of a

809
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,300
good, good

810
00:43:54,80 --> 00:43:58,400
introduction to Lionel as well. And, you know, and, and, and, um,

811
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,290
and who he is beyond just the,

812
00:44:00,860 --> 00:44:05,960
I guess it's Lust for Life and, you know, you saw that on full display in, in, in

813
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,670
the scenes there in, in the Pavilion. And so, um, you know, so I, I thought that

814
00:44:10,670 --> 00:44:15,140
was, I, I thought that was, um, a really, really cool, um, you know, introduction

815
00:44:15,140 --> 00:44:18,830
to some of our characters and then, you know, and then also just the, uh, introduction

816
00:44:18,830 --> 00:44:22,130
between dunk and and Egg, um, whenever,

817
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,710
not only whenever, uh, you know, when they first, you know, meet up and,

818
00:44:28,430 --> 00:44:33,260
you know, he, he's just there, he's like seeing this kid and, and, and, and all that.

819
00:44:33,380 --> 00:44:38,00
Uh, but also later in the episode when, uh, egg is like trying to, you know, when

820
00:44:38,00 --> 00:44:41,750
they're, they're having a conversation, um, when, when Dunk comes back from the,

821
00:44:42,260 --> 00:44:45,500
uh, from all the events. And that was a little twi little switch up,

822
00:44:47,60 --> 00:44:51,780
you know, he does finally, you know, agrees to let Egg be, become a Squire, and,

823
00:44:51,780 --> 00:44:55,460
and he just, you know, sort, sort to see the pairing of this, of this duo,

824
00:44:55,970 --> 00:44:56,450
which,

825
00:44:57,140 --> 00:45:00,80
you know, which was really, really cool. And, and, and, and I liked

826
00:45:00,740 --> 00:45:01,310
the,

827
00:45:01,310 --> 00:45:01,580
you know,

828
00:45:02,420 --> 00:45:05,600
it seems like Egg is actually more savvy,

829
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,730
savvier of the two of them and,

830
00:45:07,730 --> 00:45:11,990
to, to help, you know, it's gonna basically be able to help navigate this world.

831
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:16,670
Yeah, abso absolutely. I mean, yeah, the, the kid,

832
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,180
he, he, he wanted to be the Squire.

833
00:45:20,180 --> 00:45:27,680
He gets left behind, he, and then he still manages to go and meet up, set up a Camp

834
00:45:27,740 --> 00:45:28,430
Fish,

835
00:45:29,00 --> 00:45:33,890
and basically said, and then I could do this, but you don't have one. I could set

836
00:45:33,890 --> 00:45:37,70
up the pillar in like, the tents, but we don't have any.

837
00:45:37,820 --> 00:45:44,720
So it's kind of like, even though he was rejected by Dunk in that initial meeting,

838
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,240
he still

839
00:45:48,20 --> 00:45:51,150
knew that at the end of the day,

840
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:54,00
this guy's gonna get me out of here

841
00:45:54,660 --> 00:46:01,410
and to someplace else. So there's an opportunity he sees in dunk. And,

842
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,300
it's, it's a good contrast that they very subtly do, because

843
00:46:06,990 --> 00:46:08,550
Dunk on the other hand,

844
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:11,610
he's not that persistent about things.

845
00:46:12,420 --> 00:46:14,730
No. So, or at least what I've seen,

846
00:46:14,730 --> 00:46:21,810
he, he is very much like, oh, okay, okay. So so you don't remember that happening,

847
00:46:21,810 --> 00:46:24,690
or like, so you're not gonna help me. Well, then

848
00:46:25,710 --> 00:46:30,660
I'm not gonna force you. I'm just gonna move on. And then meanwhile, egg would probably

849
00:46:30,660 --> 00:46:35,790
already have like three other plans of how to manipulate the situation. But

850
00:46:35,790 --> 00:46:36,630
I, it,

851
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:38,400
it is very nice because

852
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,650
I think that they did a good job of,

853
00:46:40,650 --> 00:46:47,490
there's still, and, and you need this, especially with like a shorter format of a

854
00:46:47,490 --> 00:46:55,380
show and only two real central characters in a very big world that are filled,

855
00:46:55,950 --> 00:46:59,740
um, with a lot of names, um mm-hmm. And, uh,

856
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,330
and a lot of name droppings, and we're gonna get a

857
00:47:04,20 --> 00:47:06,840
tarian soon enough, but

858
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:12,900
they did a good job of making this clearly dunks story.

859
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:20,100
Yeah. But, and us really understanding who he is at the end of the day,

860
00:47:21,180 --> 00:47:24,870
and then adding in Egg, who

861
00:47:25,740 --> 00:47:33,60
wants to be the Squire becomes the Squire, but we don't know a lot about him and

862
00:47:33,60 --> 00:47:34,320
his history.

863
00:47:34,830 --> 00:47:39,00
And granted, he's a young boy, so he doesn't have a whole, whole lot of history either.

864
00:47:39,00 --> 00:47:43,20
So, but there's still a mystery is what I'm getting at with him,

865
00:47:43,20 --> 00:47:47,700
that they can explore. And there's still technically mystery with Dunk, but I feel

866
00:47:47,700 --> 00:47:53,70
like the mystery with Dunk, not necessarily is where he comes from, but where he's

867
00:47:53,70 --> 00:47:53,670
going,

868
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,810
because they can only do the flashback,

869
00:47:57,810 --> 00:47:59,310
gimmick so much.

870
00:48:00,150 --> 00:48:02,820
I feel like they exhausted it in this episode.

871
00:48:02,820 --> 00:48:05,910
Well, yeah. But well, even it, I don't even know if we had, I mean, it wasn't like

872
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:09,330
a true flat. I mean, it was like we, when we first meet Dunk, I mean, he's like burying,

873
00:48:09,390 --> 00:48:12,180
burying his, his, his knight. And so,

874
00:48:12,180 --> 00:48:13,320
that was present moment.

875
00:48:14,620 --> 00:48:18,250
Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, when you referenced Flashback, were you, it

876
00:48:18,250 --> 00:48:18,400
was

877
00:48:19,150 --> 00:48:20,530
Oh, whenever. Oh, oh, yeah. Oh, you talking about

878
00:48:21,610 --> 00:48:24,760
whenever he talked about his dynamic with his,

879
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:30,150
mentor p Larry or whoever, they, they, they did a very,

880
00:48:30,660 --> 00:48:33,290
sitcomy gimmick in how they edited that.

881
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,440
got it. Okay. Yeah, I was, I wasn't, I was trying to just

882
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:37,280
remember which,

883
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,90
which moment there,

884
00:48:38,90 --> 00:48:39,320
you're talking about. Yeah. But,

885
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,860
that makes, yeah, you're right. Yeah. We can't do that too many that that has been

886
00:48:42,860 --> 00:48:43,520
played. And

887
00:48:44,30 --> 00:48:47,30
I know that was one of the things the showrunners talked about was just trying to,

888
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,740
you know, bring a little bit of elements of,

889
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:50,420
different types of comedy,

890
00:48:50,420 --> 00:48:51,260
into, into,

891
00:48:51,260 --> 00:48:53,840
into this world. And I guess that was the sitcom bit.

892
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,110
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

893
00:48:55,110 --> 00:48:55,490
All right.

894
00:48:56,130 --> 00:48:59,630
Anything else you wanna talk about in regards to this,

895
00:48:59,630 --> 00:49:04,40
episode and this show in general? No, no. I mean, like I said, you know, from the

896
00:49:04,40 --> 00:49:05,240
start, you know, I think,

897
00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:05,560
I, I

898
00:49:06,580 --> 00:49:07,600
really did,

899
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,750
enjoy the, the start of this, this series and,

900
00:49:10,750 --> 00:49:12,880
yeah, looking, just looking forward to seeing,

901
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:13,720
how it progresses.

902
00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:18,430
Yep. And we are going to continue on this journey.

903
00:49:19,30 --> 00:49:22,720
so we're gonna wrap up Fallout in the next few weeks

904
00:49:23,380 --> 00:49:28,270
and just see and continue in following Duck and Egg. So on that note, will, why don't

905
00:49:28,270 --> 00:49:30,100
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906
00:49:30,820 --> 00:49:36,700
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