Gen V Season 2 Episodes 1-3 Review: The Boys Spinoff Just Got Wild! | Mandalorian Grogu Trailer & Jimmy Kimmel News

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>> Will: Foreign.

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>> Sarah : Greetings Nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your

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host, Sarah Belmont, and with me, as always, is

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our Mr. Producer, will Will Polk How are you

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doing tonight. Will.

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah How you doing this Tuesday,

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Monday evening? Monday evening, yeah.

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>> Sarah : Monday, yeah.

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>> Will: Jumping ahead, thinking, you know, our usual time

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on Tuesday, but, yeah, happy Monday. The way this

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is to you and good, busy weekend and I guess I'm

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just trying to catch up from it.

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>> Sarah : Okay. Okay. All right. yeah, and, you mentioned,

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that you wanted to get everyone caught up on some

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news items that occurred within the last week.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. Well, really, the last. Yeah, well,

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today. And also, you know, and also just sort of

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things that did start last week, but did get to

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some resolution today. But, this is a real quick

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hitter here. James Gunn, of course. You know, I

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guess we had the news earlier when, we had the

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teased art for the. With Lex and Clark is, from

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various artists, including Jim Lee. this. Today,

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James Gunn dropped this, photo that I just shared

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here. If you're watching our show on YouTube, the

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COVID of the script of man of Tomorrow, which will

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be the, next movie in Superman's, story. And, you

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know, the date on the. On the draft is 922 25,

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draft number one. And of course, it's written by

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James Gunn. But the notable thing about it, many

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people, when we got the news earlier in the images

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earlier of Superman and Lex fighting, you know,

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there together, what. Could it be possible that

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Superman, was going to be. They were going to be

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teaming up to fight Brainiac. And then, of course,

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with the script that we got today with the photo

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of it, we did do have the sort, of anatomy, book

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look of the human skull, with a little cutaway

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with, you know, with the brains and speech and

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the. Also the vocal, pieces, as well as far as the

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cheek and stuff with the. With, you know, to sort

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of give supporting. Visual supporting evidence

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that it's indeed going to be Brainiac, that's

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going to be the Big Bad and Man of Tomorrow, which

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will be the Superman sequel. So that was the. Any.

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Any thoughts on that before we move to the next

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quick item?

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>> Sarah : Not really.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I just figured before moving on,

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I just wanted to give you. Give you an opportunity

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to. To share your thoughts. but, the next item,

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is, we did get our first teaser trailer today for

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the Mandalorian and Grogu, and. And we also got a

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very dope poster. You know, definitely giving the,

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you know, Western vibes and spaghetti Western

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vibes. for. For that series. that teaser, did drop

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today. It was about a minute 40. What were your

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thoughts of the trailer since, You did tell me

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before we started recording that you actually did

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watch it?

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>> Sarah : I didn't really like it. Yeah, just.

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>> Will: I'm not gonna leave. I'm not gonna leave it there.

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You gotta tell me.

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>> Sarah : It's just, more of the same. It didn't. I guess it

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didn't really do anything for me. And I was

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grateful when it said coming, in May of next year.

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I was like, I don't. I don't need this. Yeah, I, I

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don't know. I. Anytime I think about Mandalorian,

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I just get mad because of Boba Fett. So that's

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where I'm at with this franchise.

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>> Will: Yeah, I, I know you have really fallen off on Star

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wars here in the last book of Boba Fett. And then

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also even the third season of the Mandalorian,

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which I will say the third season of the

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Mandalorian was. Was disappointing. I think, you

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know, I think the first two were bangers, but,

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but, the third season was not. Was not. But, you

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know, as far as the trailer today, I liked it. I

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mean, it was okay. It, you know, I think, you

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know, for me it's. When we saw it and we did see

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Sigourney Weaver there at the beginning, which is

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really cool. Still don't know what her character

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is. Really. Didn't. This really. This was just a

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lot of. A lot of just scenes of cool things that,

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you know, that is going to happen here. We, you

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know, we do see that the Road to the Hut, which,

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Jeremy Allen White's doing the voice work for

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that, character. but. And we saw the cool at. So

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this, you know, we got the member berries and you

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know, reminding us that, oh, yeah, this is like

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right after the time of the. You know, after the

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Empire has fallen and at that. That period where,

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there's clearly some, regiments of the Empire that

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are still out there. But, But yeah, I mean, it

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was. It was. It was okay. You know, like, I got

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this, you know, hearing the score, thought it was.

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Was, you know, you know, brought back some fond

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memories of. Of the show. Ah. But And also just,

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you know, the very fact that we're getting Star

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wars on the big screen again, even though,

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they're. They're almost going the Star Trek route

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of, you know, taking a TV show and, and you know,

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making A movie out of it. At least. At least in

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the case of In the case of the Mandalorian. So. So

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yeah, we'll see. And hopefully they'll have some

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more practical effects this time since they do

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have a feature film budget instead of relying on

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the volume, which, you know, which I don't know

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how that's going to hold up on a big screen,

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especially given that we did see in the trailer

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they're going to be filming in IMAX as well. So,

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you know, so hopefully, we will definitely get you

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know, both good special effect but also some good

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practical effects since it is going to be a big

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feature instead of a show on Disney plus.

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Alrighty. and then the last thing, when I first

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saw this trailer today, honestly my first thought

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was leading it to our last little bit of news,

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which was the whole fallout from the Jimmy Kimmel

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suspension. Because I was like, ah, you know,

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they're. They're taking. Taking a page out of the

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out of the distractions. Well this, especially

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after last week where Jimmy Kim Kimmel Live was

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taken off the air due to some of his comments that

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he had made, regarding people. you know, he didn't

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say anything about Charlie Kirk's situation,

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murder, but he really, you know, but he did say

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some things that. How some people are trying to

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exploit it and had some very, you know, you know,

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for. For various political ends and that kind of

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thing. So he commented on that, you know,

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depending on where you fall on the spectrum, some

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people probably was like, no big deal. Some people

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are like the blasphemy. But in any event, things

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really escalated when the head of the fcc,

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basically, Brendan Carr basically was on a podcast

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and basically, you know, basically threatened

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Disney, you know, to do something, you know, you

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know, again, it's the FCC term. It's not like, you

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know, it's not like the Internet, you know, group

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causing a lot of stereos. You know, the, the. The

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very entity that regulates, broadcasting in, in

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our country making comments like, you know, we can

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do this the easy way, can do this the hard way.

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And, and of course some affiliates, to in

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particular who have business before the commission

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wanted to, they basically, you know, you know,

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suspended the show, pulled the show, and then

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Disney of course, suspended Jimmy indefinitely.

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and honestly, this was one of those situations

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where you know, money, money talks, because Disney

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was worried about the, you know, cost of not only

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these affiliates, you know, getting you Know,

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losing that revenue from, from, from the ads from

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that. But also just the fact that Disney also has

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business before the commission where they're

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needing a deal approved to do their, you know,

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ESPN and NFL Network it was, has business before

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the commission and the affiliates in particular

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also had business before the commission trying to

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add more Another company and you know they have to

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raise the cap. So there was a lot of, A lot of

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politics, a lot of a lot of stuff happening and

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you know people really took umbrage on this on

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both sides of the political spectrum because you

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know it was, it wasn't like it was the Internet

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council culture, you know, coming out and like you

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know, people getting up on arms on social media

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about something. This was actually, you know,

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government entity like saying something and then

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you know, broadcaster taking action on it. Which

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you know a lot of people felt that was really

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crossing the line into, into censorship with, with

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the actions that abc had taken. But but, but but

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I, but, but from that today we did get news that

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after yeah you know, after many people outcry, not

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only from opinion makers, but also creatives and,

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and a lot of people cancel their Disney plus

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subscriptions and, and all ABC reverse course and

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Jimmy's coming back on the air tomorrow. And you

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know, I think this was you know, I think it was a

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situation where you know, I think the people talk

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with their pocketbooks. So again there were a lot

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of things I think that were. It was a, a collision

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of multiple things. I think a collision of free

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speech, I think a collision of the economy, you

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know, commercial economy. And you know, Disney

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just, you know, also just weighed the balance of

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equities and they're like, do we want to side on

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free speech? And also way on the side of like

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business and as far as like you know, big, long,

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long term, you know, especially if a lot of

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creatives aren't going to go want to work for this

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company, then how they're going to be able to make

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money if they can't create anything. So yeah, so

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Jimmy's coming back and we'll just sort of see.

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You know, apparently he has no restrictions on

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what he can say. they don't know what he's going

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to say. But but just you know, definitely wanted

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to bring light to this, especially given our main

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topic tonight because you know we definitely see

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in, in. In our main topic of Gen B how media and

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things, you know, and manipulate. Can be used to

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further ends, for, for good or bad purposes. So

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just wanted to, wanted to share that. Didn't know

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if you had any thoughts on it. but definitely was

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some big news from, from this week, especially for

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folks who are very strong advocates for, for

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speech and not, not having things censored, by, by

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the government or pressure put on broadcasters to,

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to regulate what they, what they put on their

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airwaves. But didn't know if you had any thoughts.

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>> Sarah : So I think that, Wednesday night Jimmy Kimmel will

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be like the most view he's ever had. Yeah, like,

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like that's the, that's the thing that I keep

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thinking about. is that, okay, you canceled your

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subscriptions, now they've even reinstated him. So

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you're gonna, are you gonna reward that and then

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tune in for the broadcast? Especially considering

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like, what you pointed out. We don't know what

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he's gonna say how, how he's gonna go about that

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first one back after this shit storm happened this

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past week. But it'll, it'll be interesting. I

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mean, I would be shocked if it's not a very highly

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rated episode of late night television, with

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everything that happened over the last week. But,

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I, while all that was going on, I was too busy

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watching three hours of genv. granted, I binged it

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yesterday, so it just went straight through and I

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was thinking about it, I was like, so, so just to

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put in perspective, this is how long Dune 2 is.

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Pretty much the same amount of time it took me to

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get through these three episodes equates to Dune

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2. Yeah, I don't, I don't know. What if that says

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more about the length of Dune 2 or the, the length

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of what happens when you kick off a season by

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dropping three episodes? And we're not talking

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like half hour episodes, we're talking hour, maybe

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even a little bit more, maybe a little under. But

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it's definitely not a 40 minute episode either. So

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it just, it adds up. And so since Will just spent

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so much time talking about all the different news

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items, I will now enlighten Everybody with the

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IMDb summaries of each of these episodes and, and

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get ready for with your popcorn because you know,

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I don't read these ahead of time, so I often

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stumble. so Season two, episode one, New Year New

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you. Welcome to a new year at God U. Check out all

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the super security upgrades around campus. Hear

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what our fearless leader, Dean Cypher, during a

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special welcome assembly. Reunite with old friends

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in a brand new Victoria Newman Student hall and

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make new friends through our revitalized, robust

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Greek life. This year will be way better than last

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year. And we can't wait. Episode two, Justice

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Never Forgets. Think you're a history buff? Think

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again. Even a know it all will learn a thing or

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two in, the God U archives. To book a six hour

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educational adventure led by the world's best

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archivists, contact kyle@, rememberforever.com and

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finally, the third episode, H is for human. This

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is a campus wide reminder. All student flyers must

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be approved by God U administrators before they

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are posted on community bulletin boards. Please

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submit all text and graphics to the office of

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Student Life at attention. Stacy, at least 24

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hours before posting your flyer. Campus security

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unapproved signage and inappropriate content. And

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that concludes the IMDb summaries of the season

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two of Gen V first three episodes. And I have to

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say, you know, the boys and Gen V continue to have

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the best episode summaries. Yeah, the. The. The,

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you know, the same writers who are writing the

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scripts are writing these and it's. It's like,

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it's the same all of the little details. It's one

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of the things I look forward to when we're back in

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this world and. And now that we're here our

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sophomore year at God, you and, Yeah, it's. It.

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overall thought and it's good to be back. Yeah,

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it's still. They had a lot of moments where I. I

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just kept thinking to myself, I am so

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desensitized. I am so desensitive. It. Like we

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were at a point. These don't shock me. I get

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nothing. I don't even, like, I don't find them

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humorous. And it's not like back in the early days

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of the boys, I did. But I think in the early days

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of the boys, which I'm saying maybe season one and

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two specifically there, it wasn't shocking. It was

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still like, oh, you went there. Oh, that is an

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interesting joke because of A, B and C. But now,

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now, since the boys just finished their fourth

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season and we're sophomore year here, it's like,

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okay, can we. Can we do. Can we do something other

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than butt and dick jokes? Can we. Can we do

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something else rather than people going in and out

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of each other's like, is that too much to ask?

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Like, can we. Can we think beyond that a bit?

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I would agree with. Let's

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jump in real quick. I would agree with you on the

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shock value at this point. you know, it. Yeah, it

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doesn't. Doesn't surprise me much anymore. It's

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just like. Oh, it's really par for the course.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. I feel like Emma. I. I mean, I feel if. If

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we're thinking about Emma, especially in these

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three episodes when she's at the frat party and

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she suddenly shrinks and then she. She becomes the

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hula girl and. And they use her as a human ping

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pong or ping pong ball for beer pong. And she

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just. She's like. It's part of the course. And

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that's what she explains to polarity. I think in

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the third episode when they're in the archives

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because she gets big in the archive, which. That I

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did. I was like, oh, my God, Emma, Emma, Emma. And

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especially given he. Given the whole dynamic

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between. That is Andre's father that is also now a

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faculty member, and she's butt ass naked and she's

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also now like 100ft tall. So. So it's just a nude.

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And so I. I, think that the best way to describe

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it is I just. I feel as if I'm Emma, where it's

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just like this. This is the world we live in. You

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know, this is the. You. You signed up for it.

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Which just. That thought just brings me back to

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when we were talking about episode one of

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Peacemaker a few weeks ago. And there was the orgy

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scene. And I said, that ain't the right universe.

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Like, there's something off about it. And because

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I. There. There could be an orgy going on. There

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probably was. And I just missed it in one of these

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scenes, like at the frat party. And it'd be like,

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okay, there's the Deep. Clearly. Clearly going in

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deep. But it's fits in that universe because we

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have seen so many orgies already and we have seen

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so many different things. And also, like, you have

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characters like the Deep. You have characters. I'm

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blanking on his name, but he's. I want to say he's

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the one who goes. He. He was joining the

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fraternity too, along with Sam, and he, They. They

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always interact with him. I'm just blanking on

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his. The character's name.

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>> Will: Yeah, the dick was. Dude. Yeah. Who tried to

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assault Marie and, Yeah, she blew up his dad.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: M. I know. Yeah. yeah, yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : But we have. We have those characters who

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participate in a lot of this. And for me, what

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struck me about that scene in Peacemaker was more

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of the almost lack of participation, whereas,

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like. All right, I don't. Two things are not

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adding up. But I will lay off that point because

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we have, talked about that in depth before. If you

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missed it, go back and listen to our review of

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Peacemaker Season 2, Episode 1. Now we're back at

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God University. And, you know, since I already

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brought up Emma, I. I wanna. I wanna start with

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Emma, because I will say she was the highlight for

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me of all three episodes. Sense.

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>> Will: I agree. The same. I thought that she. Her arc

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especially, given where she started in. In season

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one. and as she's getting. She's getting more

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control, getting a little bit figuring out how to

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use her powers, but also still showing, like, how

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she know she felt small. M. And. And. And of

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course the physical manifestation of that is, you

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know, of course what activates her powers and all.

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But I think this episode, these three episodes

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really, you know, and we haven't talked about

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Andre and Chance Perdomo yet, but. But, you, know,

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I think for me, her being the sort of.

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>> Sarah : I.

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>> Will: Guess, moral compass or team compass as far as

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just like, you know, you know, getting. Yeah, we

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got to come back to the university, base or it's

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gonna. Or you, you know, or go back to Elmira.

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Either way. Either way, these. All these kids are

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imprisoned and some, you know, whether it's at the

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campus.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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>> Will: Or Elmira, but you know, but her make. Trying to

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make the best of the situation. Her, like you

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said, you know, teaming up with. With Andre's

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father, polarity, you know, and helping him, you

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know, telling him how much his son meant to her

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and helped her get on the path where even though

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she was, you know, her. Her claim to fame was

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Little Cricket before and you know, the most

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popular on the whole social media scale, before

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she got demonetized and. And all the things that

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happen with the, With the fake. With the

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influencer on campus. you know, I think that was

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really, like, you know, really, really cool. And

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then also just, you know, you know, anyone ever in

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the third episode, whenever she, you know, really,

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you know, she. She meets the other. The other

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girl. You know, as far as the Start the

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underground on campus, as far as the starlighters

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and you know, and helping, you know, and carrying

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that you. Andre's legacy forward as far as like,

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look, you. You guys can be heroes too. And so that

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was really something as far as her story that I

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thought with Emma was really, really strong

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throughout these three episodes.

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>> Sarah : So I disagree with you. I don't think she knows

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how to use her powers at all. I think that she is

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just, and, and that's what struck me in these

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three episodes because it, I was surprised when

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she got, I was just as surprised when she got so,

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small all of a sudden as she was. And then, and

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then they're, they're doing a good job, at least

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in my opinion. About, about her powers. Yes, I

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think you're right. Manifesting based on feeling,

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Feeling big or small. But I don't know. It's,

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it's, I, I, I find it interesting that they, they

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are clearly showing her and her lack of control

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over it. especially given in the first season

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where we see the control over it and it's tied

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into that eating disorder aspect, and body issues.

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And now it's also, they're weaving in what you

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brought up in terms of feeling smart, small,

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especially as a female, and then feeling big and

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strong and powerful and, and the difference of

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that and that confidence spike. So it's more of a,

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there's, it's more tied into just how she feels in

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the world. And and I like how, we're seeing that.

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And yet she is not in Cypher's class. She is where

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Cypher is trying to push these students to their

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limits to really get them to understand their

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powers. Because if they figure it out under his

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observation, then he knows how they work as well.

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And more than that in a minute. But, and then for

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me, with polarity, I think about how Emma was used

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in the first season with Sam because Sam was

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isolated a lot from especially Marie. Marie's the

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protagonist. But, but Emma, both last season with

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Sam and this season now we're seeing it with

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polarity. We're also then in the third episode, as

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you brought up, we see that she, inadvert,

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suddenly discovers that there are a few other,

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students who are like secret starlighter

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followers. And, and, and then, and she's like, oh,

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cool, cool. But you guys, you got, I can't. I, I,

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I want to be with you, but we ain't doing this.

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This is nothing. This is, this is child's play.

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So, so you can see her, there, there, there. I

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feel like they figured out how to use her in the

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first season and they are doing that, but they are

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being subtle enough where it doesn't feel like,

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wash, rinse, repeat. It feels like, oh no, this

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is, this is Emma. Like, yes, she is. She, they,

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they very well carried forward that, that, her

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connection with Andre and that allowed it to be a

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seamless transition with her and, polarity. And

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they, they, they are now shifting it where like,

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she needed others to build her up. And now like

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you said, she's building others up. And so it's,

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it's good. And yet, and yet her and Sam have some.

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Also some fascinating moments because we know how

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powerful Sam is. And so when she's afraid, I'm

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also like, I don't really know how this is going

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to go.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Like, I'm thinking about that hallway scene when

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he, when I was fearful. When he's like, I, I

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figured out that Emma is involved with this whole

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Kate attack. And I'm like, girl, you gotta go. You

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gotta get out. Get out now. But I'm glad that the

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writers did not. They didn't take Sam in the

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direction I thought they were going to. Like, I, I

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feel like they walked a very. And, and I, I am

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subtly transitioning into Sam right now, but I

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feel like they walked a fine line with him where

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he, he was definitely in the background for

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majority of the episodes. not, not really front

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and center at all. But. And, and we know what's

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going on. We know that there's been a dependency

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build up between him and Kate because she's

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manipulating his, his brain waves, his memories to

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suppress all these negative thoughts and that's

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allowing him to keep the puppets away. Okay, maybe

481
00:28:13,861 --> 00:28:17,911
I should start writing the IMDb summaries. but in,

482
00:28:18,071 --> 00:28:22,791
in those confrontations with, with Emma, you see

483
00:28:23,191 --> 00:28:31,011
glimpses of. It's almost like, of like he, it's

484
00:28:31,011 --> 00:28:34,131
not like she's a stranger and he's completely

485
00:28:34,131 --> 00:28:38,171
wiped her from his mind. There, there's still the

486
00:28:38,171 --> 00:28:43,771
affection there. And yet there is also more

487
00:28:43,771 --> 00:28:48,931
overpowering. But you're my enemy. And we can't,

488
00:28:48,931 --> 00:28:53,031
we can't go back. Like, I can't go back. And, and

489
00:28:53,031 --> 00:28:56,631
that's why when Emma says. I think that line to

490
00:28:56,631 --> 00:28:59,621
him m. Something along the lines of, one day

491
00:28:59,621 --> 00:29:03,620
you'll own up to what you've done. Like, and, and

492
00:29:03,620 --> 00:29:08,581
I think that's why he's, he's like very much

493
00:29:08,581 --> 00:29:12,861
distanced himself from Emma up until now. Is that.

494
00:29:13,591 --> 00:29:17,431
And, and been so cool. Is that he can't be back in

495
00:29:17,431 --> 00:29:22,781
her life until he does admit what he did. and, and

496
00:29:22,781 --> 00:29:27,021
the power dynamic, like there it. It's very

497
00:29:27,101 --> 00:29:30,781
interesting to me and I'm, I'm very curious to see

498
00:29:30,781 --> 00:29:34,131
how it goes. But, what, what are your thoughts

499
00:29:34,131 --> 00:29:35,771
about Sam in these episodes?

500
00:29:36,491 --> 00:29:38,901
>> Will: Yeah, I agree with you and thanks for. Yeah and

501
00:29:38,901 --> 00:29:41,531
thanks for clicking clarify my point about about

502
00:29:41,531 --> 00:29:43,781
Emma just going back to real fast. yeah, I agree,

503
00:29:43,781 --> 00:29:47,021
I agree with you. She's. Yeah, she, she maybe

504
00:29:47,021 --> 00:29:50,301
like. Yeah, she had to have negative control and

505
00:29:50,301 --> 00:29:54,461
something that Cipher told both Emma and Marie

506
00:29:54,461 --> 00:29:57,851
too, about how they were tapping into their

507
00:29:57,851 --> 00:30:01,291
powers, you know, really did speak to speak to.

508
00:30:01,291 --> 00:30:03,211
What you were saying is they, they knew how to

509
00:30:03,211 --> 00:30:06,021
control them first season, but it was in a very

510
00:30:06,021 --> 00:30:10,451
negative way. and, and I think you know moving to

511
00:30:10,451 --> 00:30:14,951
Sam you know these three episodes, you're right,

512
00:30:14,951 --> 00:30:17,951
he, he was in the background. But you know I think

513
00:30:18,111 --> 00:30:20,271
a lot of what was going on with Sam I felt like

514
00:30:20,751 --> 00:30:24,531
was a couple things. One, it was tying back to

515
00:30:25,571 --> 00:30:29,051
both his role and Kate's role in, in the, in the

516
00:30:29,051 --> 00:30:31,881
previous season of the Boys, right where they,

517
00:30:31,881 --> 00:30:34,361
they stepped in as the you know as to I guess

518
00:30:35,081 --> 00:30:38,601
essentially Teen Titans in that universe. You know

519
00:30:38,601 --> 00:30:43,871
working with the Guardians, with the Seven and And

520
00:30:44,431 --> 00:30:47,151
so now you know he's dealing with the fallout of,

521
00:30:47,231 --> 00:30:49,231
of all of that. You know, as far as what happened

522
00:30:49,231 --> 00:30:51,551
with Frenchie and Kimiko. We saw at the end there

523
00:30:52,001 --> 00:30:54,241
being the enforcers and he's you know coming to

524
00:30:54,241 --> 00:30:56,461
grips with that and you know, especially after

525
00:30:56,461 --> 00:31:00,701
Kate is you incapacitated, taken off. Literally

526
00:31:00,701 --> 00:31:02,461
taken off the board at the end of the first

527
00:31:02,461 --> 00:31:05,871
episode. he you know he's having to you know deal

528
00:31:05,871 --> 00:31:09,151
with things and, and, and you know one of the

529
00:31:09,151 --> 00:31:11,350
things that really stuck out with me with Sam was

530
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:14,071
the whole, you know, when he first started seeing

531
00:31:14,071 --> 00:31:17,631
the puppets again on there with the influencer

532
00:31:17,631 --> 00:31:22,261
girlfriend. Yeah. You know and, and again just how

533
00:31:22,261 --> 00:31:26,791
brilliant this show is about how they weave in you

534
00:31:26,791 --> 00:31:30,871
know, as far as like influencer culture and media

535
00:31:31,351 --> 00:31:35,111
and, and and just how you're just, you know how

536
00:31:35,111 --> 00:31:38,271
these people, you know how Vault just vought just

537
00:31:38,271 --> 00:31:41,031
sees these people as assets, not people.

538
00:31:41,111 --> 00:31:45,631
>> Sarah : Well I, I think it's, I think it's also like it's

539
00:31:45,631 --> 00:31:51,791
called Gen V and right now the right now people

540
00:31:52,111 --> 00:31:55,631
this age that were seen on screen, college

541
00:31:55,631 --> 00:32:01,391
attendees, they're part of Gen Gen Z. So, so it

542
00:32:01,391 --> 00:32:04,471
makes sense that these college students would have

543
00:32:04,471 --> 00:32:08,671
so much about influencer culture because Jen, Gen

544
00:32:08,671 --> 00:32:12,431
V are all about. In our Gen Z are all about

545
00:32:12,911 --> 00:32:15,711
influencer culture and like they've kick started

546
00:32:15,791 --> 00:32:19,791
it. So I think to what you're getting at, it's

547
00:32:19,791 --> 00:32:24,991
just it, it they. They do a good job about like

548
00:32:26,030 --> 00:32:30,111
making this feel both nothing like the real world

549
00:32:30,111 --> 00:32:33,351
and just like very deeply, like oh my God, this

550
00:32:33,351 --> 00:32:37,281
hits way too close to home. But yeah, I, I, I, I

551
00:32:37,281 --> 00:32:40,431
also thought, I don't know if you were going this

552
00:32:40,431 --> 00:32:45,591
way, but that scene with Jordan, because I think

553
00:32:45,591 --> 00:32:49,671
that I, I mean to your point about Sam's

554
00:32:49,671 --> 00:32:54,831
involvement in, as the enforcer, but he's still

555
00:32:55,551 --> 00:32:59,071
dealing with the trauma of his brother.

556
00:32:59,311 --> 00:32:59,871
>> Will: Yeah.

557
00:32:59,871 --> 00:33:04,920
>> Sarah : And, and, and I, I thought that was a brilliant

558
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:10,720
move to, to also to not only include Jordan in

559
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,480
that and have Jordan be that anchor point because

560
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,520
I think that was necessary that Sam needs to get

561
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,760
exposed more to characters that are not Emma and

562
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:22,120
Kate.

563
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:23,160
>> Will: Yes.

564
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,880
>> Sarah : He needs more of a connection. And so it made

565
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,070
sense, sense that those two would fight. But it's

566
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:34,680
also, Jordan was arguably other than Andre, his

567
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,750
brother's best friend, that we knew about and they

568
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:43,190
had a lot of history together that they finally

569
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:49,150
get to kind of, it felt good to see Sam kind of

570
00:33:49,150 --> 00:33:52,630
have a connection with someone who knew his

571
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:58,281
brother and and he could like kind of put, be

572
00:33:58,281 --> 00:34:00,841
brought back to that place where he felt most

573
00:34:00,841 --> 00:34:03,001
safe. And that's why it was good to see them get

574
00:34:03,001 --> 00:34:06,121
high while watching those cartoons which bleeds

575
00:34:06,121 --> 00:34:07,081
into the puppets.

576
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,521
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. No, I was, I was, I was, yeah, that

577
00:34:11,521 --> 00:34:14,241
was where. Thanks for. Yeah, that's exactly where

578
00:34:14,241 --> 00:34:16,601
I was going. Because that, that, that, that

579
00:34:16,601 --> 00:34:18,841
bonding because that was, you know, now that Kate

580
00:34:18,841 --> 00:34:22,431
is gone, I mean Sam needed something to, to like

581
00:34:22,741 --> 00:34:26,621
as you were just saying, to really anchor him. and

582
00:34:26,701 --> 00:34:30,541
you know, and he talked about, you know, and also

583
00:34:30,541 --> 00:34:34,821
just I think with all of these kids, you know,

584
00:34:34,821 --> 00:34:39,501
how, how, how, how broken they are in the trauma

585
00:34:39,501 --> 00:34:42,621
that they are walking around with because in some

586
00:34:42,621 --> 00:34:46,301
form or fashion their, their families fear them.

587
00:34:46,861 --> 00:34:47,981
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah.

588
00:34:47,981 --> 00:34:51,361
>> Will: And so, you know, you, so you hear Sam talk about,

589
00:34:51,841 --> 00:34:55,281
you know, his mother fearing him. You know, we,

590
00:34:55,281 --> 00:35:01,001
we, we, we, you know, we. Jordan, you know, his,

591
00:35:01,001 --> 00:35:05,161
you know, his, his father, they're, I mean their

592
00:35:05,161 --> 00:35:08,161
father because I mean they're, they're by their bi

593
00:35:08,321 --> 00:35:12,341
gendered, you know, you know the whole shame that,

594
00:35:12,341 --> 00:35:15,821
because whenever Jordan appears as, as a woman,

595
00:35:16,421 --> 00:35:19,581
you know, dad, you know, prior to all this was

596
00:35:19,581 --> 00:35:23,701
just ashamed of, of the girl version. Jordan.

597
00:35:23,701 --> 00:35:24,261
>> Sarah : Yep.

598
00:35:24,261 --> 00:35:26,141
>> Will: And so they're having to deal with that and of

599
00:35:26,141 --> 00:35:27,861
course, you know, you know, we'll get into Marie

600
00:35:27,861 --> 00:35:30,571
and you know, Emma of course, you know, with the

601
00:35:30,571 --> 00:35:32,691
drama mom. And just, you know, at the beginning of

602
00:35:32,691 --> 00:35:35,211
all, you know, beginning of the, of this season

603
00:35:35,611 --> 00:35:38,211
when after, you know, they cut the deal to go back

604
00:35:38,211 --> 00:35:40,211
to school instead of getting sent back to.

605
00:35:40,211 --> 00:35:40,531
>> Sarah : Yeah.

606
00:35:40,531 --> 00:35:44,951
>> Will: Amara. you know, the manipulation of. Of these

607
00:35:44,951 --> 00:35:48,111
kids and, And. And how they're having to deal with

608
00:35:48,111 --> 00:35:50,831
all this. So I agree with you. It is nice to see

609
00:35:50,831 --> 00:35:55,351
Sam and Jordan have this bonding moment, to. So.

610
00:35:55,351 --> 00:35:58,791
Because they. They. Because on a core level,

611
00:35:59,031 --> 00:36:01,791
they're both broken for various reasons, and they

612
00:36:01,791 --> 00:36:04,031
can help commiserate and help one another out. In

613
00:36:04,031 --> 00:36:06,231
this case, like you said, sitting around getting

614
00:36:06,231 --> 00:36:09,421
high, watching the Saturday morning cartoon that

615
00:36:09,421 --> 00:36:09,741
they.

616
00:36:10,221 --> 00:36:10,621
>> Sarah : Right.

617
00:36:10,941 --> 00:36:13,261
>> Will: Yeah. And talk through these things.

618
00:36:14,061 --> 00:36:20,201
>> Sarah : Right. And. And I, I think that, the parental

619
00:36:20,201 --> 00:36:22,921
manipulation was a small part of that

620
00:36:22,921 --> 00:36:24,831
conversation. And there was a, more of an

621
00:36:24,831 --> 00:36:29,831
emphasis, though, on the overall theme. And this

622
00:36:29,831 --> 00:36:38,561
is also why, like, grief and death and Jordan at

623
00:36:38,561 --> 00:36:42,921
one point is just like, enough is enough. Like,

624
00:36:42,921 --> 00:36:46,681
there's been so much death. Like, this is really.

625
00:36:46,761 --> 00:36:52,361
And these are young, early 20s people. And to

626
00:36:52,361 --> 00:36:55,241
experience the amount of death and. And that's why

627
00:36:55,241 --> 00:36:58,321
I thought it was nice to remind the viewers of

628
00:36:58,321 --> 00:37:03,791
what happened to Sam's, brother. And then. Because

629
00:37:03,951 --> 00:37:08,431
this. This season, rightfully so, starts off with

630
00:37:08,431 --> 00:37:12,861
Andre's death, which we all know what happened,

631
00:37:12,941 --> 00:37:17,291
unfortunately, to the actor Chance. this season is

632
00:37:17,291 --> 00:37:21,811
dedicated to him. And. And you feel that. And I,

633
00:37:21,811 --> 00:37:26,781
And I really do admire how the writers did it

634
00:37:26,861 --> 00:37:36,681
because. Yeah, they. They didn't, They didn't beat

635
00:37:36,681 --> 00:37:43,121
it over the head, but it was there. And anytime it

636
00:37:43,121 --> 00:37:47,841
was talked about, you. There was so much

637
00:37:48,721 --> 00:37:52,451
authenticity at, Play with all the performances.

638
00:37:53,091 --> 00:37:53,571
>> Will: Yeah.

639
00:37:53,731 --> 00:38:01,171
>> Sarah : So that it didn't feel. How do I put this? It felt

640
00:38:01,251 --> 00:38:06,810
like the writers really were able to. To

641
00:38:06,810 --> 00:38:10,611
articulate well all of the different emotions that

642
00:38:10,611 --> 00:38:15,091
everyone in that cast was feeling about the

643
00:38:15,091 --> 00:38:19,861
circumstance and also use it as a way to get these

644
00:38:19,861 --> 00:38:24,021
characters into the arc for this season.

645
00:38:24,741 --> 00:38:27,021
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. I was just going to say, while you

646
00:38:27,021 --> 00:38:29,901
were thinking when you're articulating that. Yeah.

647
00:38:29,901 --> 00:38:33,661
To me, whenever. Whenever the story required them

648
00:38:33,661 --> 00:38:37,461
to talk about Andre, they did, and they wove it in

649
00:38:37,541 --> 00:38:40,771
to the narrative of the episode. like you. As I

650
00:38:40,771 --> 00:38:43,411
was mentioning earlier with, like, Emma, or, you

651
00:38:43,411 --> 00:38:45,651
know, there were other instances of it, you know,

652
00:38:45,651 --> 00:38:48,371
as well, as far as, you know, ah, Jordan.

653
00:38:48,371 --> 00:38:49,771
>> Sarah : Well, everything was Marie.

654
00:38:50,651 --> 00:38:54,811
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. And. And so. So, you know, I was

655
00:38:54,811 --> 00:38:57,940
wondering how they, were going to integrate, his,

656
00:38:57,940 --> 00:39:00,261
you know, his tragic passing, you know, literally.

657
00:39:00,261 --> 00:39:02,461
He was literally on the way to film this season.

658
00:39:02,621 --> 00:39:03,051
>> Sarah : Yep.

659
00:39:03,841 --> 00:39:06,641
>> Will: and. And so I was wondering how they were going to

660
00:39:06,641 --> 00:39:08,281
integrate it, but I think the way that they did

661
00:39:08,281 --> 00:39:12,131
it, you know, was. I'm glad it didn't recast. and,

662
00:39:12,501 --> 00:39:16,141
And but they. They made a way to weave into the

663
00:39:16,141 --> 00:39:18,701
story like you said. And it was really authentic

664
00:39:18,701 --> 00:39:22,621
as far as then the performances that it was not

665
00:39:22,621 --> 00:39:25,061
only for these characters but also for the actors

666
00:39:25,061 --> 00:39:27,261
playing these characters. You know how they. They

667
00:39:27,261 --> 00:39:31,461
woven into the story and. And did it in a non

668
00:39:31,461 --> 00:39:32,421
exploitive way.

669
00:39:32,911 --> 00:39:38,631
>> Sarah : Yeah yeah. Because he. It was explained and and I

670
00:39:38,631 --> 00:39:41,671
like how they didn't just come out and say was

671
00:39:41,671 --> 00:39:44,791
somewhat of a mystery. And then the more

672
00:39:44,791 --> 00:39:48,351
conversations and it was more in and they were

673
00:39:48,351 --> 00:39:52,551
able to maintain that mystery and that tension for

674
00:39:52,551 --> 00:39:56,111
the viewers because characters were finding out

675
00:39:57,161 --> 00:39:59,881
Like it was clear characters have been separated

676
00:39:59,881 --> 00:40:03,511
for extensions extended periods of time. And so

677
00:40:03,751 --> 00:40:06,871
only Jordan and Emma M. Knew what happened to

678
00:40:06,871 --> 00:40:10,791
Andre. And. And then we find out later polarity

679
00:40:10,871 --> 00:40:13,671
found out from a friend through friends from

680
00:40:13,671 --> 00:40:18,541
Vaught. but Andre tried to escape and during the

681
00:40:18,541 --> 00:40:23,101
escape the The condition that his father had Or

682
00:40:23,101 --> 00:40:26,851
still has that was revealed in the I think the

683
00:40:26,851 --> 00:40:31,481
season finale of one. they explained so does Andre

684
00:40:31,481 --> 00:40:36,081
had had it and he pushed himself too far and and

685
00:40:36,081 --> 00:40:40,641
ultimately died through use of his powers. And.

686
00:40:41,041 --> 00:40:43,961
And then I, I thought it was. I thought it was

687
00:40:43,961 --> 00:40:52,861
interesting how they. They to also delve into the.

688
00:40:52,861 --> 00:40:56,581
Everything that Jordan and arguably Emma but

689
00:40:56,581 --> 00:41:00,391
really Jordan was the Overall about the guilt.

690
00:41:00,951 --> 00:41:01,331
>> Will: Yeah.

691
00:41:02,171 --> 00:41:08,731
>> Sarah : Because. And. And and you knew. I like how

692
00:41:08,731 --> 00:41:11,971
initially you knew they were upset because Maria

693
00:41:11,971 --> 00:41:15,711
did us. Marie diddix escape and that's explained

694
00:41:15,711 --> 00:41:20,261
that Marie had escaped and then She didn't return

695
00:41:20,261 --> 00:41:23,101
for anyone and she didn't wait for anyone to go

696
00:41:23,101 --> 00:41:26,341
with her. She just took her chance and they did.

697
00:41:26,341 --> 00:41:29,060
And I, and I also appreciate they don't really.

698
00:41:29,061 --> 00:41:32,901
There's no flashback to the escape. We're not told

699
00:41:33,141 --> 00:41:35,821
how she did it. We're not told any of those

700
00:41:35,821 --> 00:41:38,821
details. We're just told she did it. And it was

701
00:41:38,821 --> 00:41:43,381
before Andre tried and Andre saw it and heard

702
00:41:43,381 --> 00:41:46,181
about it and said well if she can do it I can do

703
00:41:46,181 --> 00:41:49,261
it too. But I'm taking y' all with me.

704
00:41:49,661 --> 00:41:50,141
>> Will: Yeah.

705
00:41:50,221 --> 00:41:55,421
>> Sarah : And. And Jordan couldn't stop him. And. And I. So

706
00:41:55,421 --> 00:41:58,421
all of this aggression that we're feeling or

707
00:41:58,421 --> 00:42:02,941
seeing Jordan exhibit there, it's a weird mix of

708
00:42:04,151 --> 00:42:07,951
this person who I care deeply about just left me

709
00:42:07,951 --> 00:42:11,311
behind to rot in jail. He should. They should be

710
00:42:11,311 --> 00:42:14,791
upset about that. First of all. I would be.

711
00:42:15,271 --> 00:42:18,031
>> Will: I would be. Yeah yeah, yeah. Reaction. Yeah.

712
00:42:18,031 --> 00:42:21,351
>> Sarah : Yeah. And then. And then my other best friend

713
00:42:21,751 --> 00:42:26,311
decides that they can do it too and they. They do

714
00:42:26,471 --> 00:42:30,071
take me which ultimately leads to their own death.

715
00:42:30,751 --> 00:42:30,991
>> Will: So.

716
00:42:31,391 --> 00:42:33,231
>> Sarah : Wow. One Two punch.

717
00:42:33,631 --> 00:42:36,311
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, and I like. Yeah, and I like how you

718
00:42:36,311 --> 00:42:38,031
said, you know, you shared how, like, each

719
00:42:38,031 --> 00:42:40,311
character, you know, like, like us, like the

720
00:42:40,311 --> 00:42:42,791
audience, each character, people learned along the

721
00:42:42,791 --> 00:42:45,991
way. Like, for example, Kate learned there when

722
00:42:45,991 --> 00:42:49,151
they did, you know, whenever she did confront the.

723
00:42:49,551 --> 00:42:52,281
Emma, Marie and Jordan, whenever she.

724
00:42:53,001 --> 00:42:56,211
>> Sarah : Well, Kate was trying to get them out, apparently,

725
00:42:56,291 --> 00:42:59,211
which. Which we gotta get into Kate. But then Kate

726
00:42:59,211 --> 00:43:02,771
has her reaction to it. But you know what's also

727
00:43:03,891 --> 00:43:08,291
very smart of the writers in this whole thread is,

728
00:43:08,491 --> 00:43:11,481
Like, we were just talking about Jordan and the

729
00:43:11,481 --> 00:43:16,321
guilt that he. He suffered. Emma, who was also

730
00:43:16,321 --> 00:43:20,651
there, completely different, like, emotion. She.

731
00:43:20,651 --> 00:43:23,371
She used it. And it's something you touched on

732
00:43:23,371 --> 00:43:27,371
earlier more as a motivating factor to like, no,

733
00:43:27,371 --> 00:43:29,251
we gotta become the Avengers, y'.

734
00:43:29,251 --> 00:43:29,451
>> Will: All.

735
00:43:29,931 --> 00:43:32,931
>> Sarah : We gotta. We gotta do something about it. Like, we

736
00:43:32,931 --> 00:43:35,731
gotta fix it, because that's what he would have

737
00:43:35,731 --> 00:43:39,421
wanted. So a. very different. And then you have

738
00:43:39,421 --> 00:43:46,141
Kate. Who. Who? Kate. Kate. And I. And I did say.

739
00:43:46,141 --> 00:43:48,581
And I still stand by Emma was, the standout of

740
00:43:48,581 --> 00:43:51,481
this episode. Episode. But Kate, through these

741
00:43:51,481 --> 00:43:55,961
three episodes also reminded me of why. She is a

742
00:43:56,041 --> 00:43:57,641
fascinating character.

743
00:43:58,121 --> 00:43:59,881
>> Will: She really is. Yeah.

744
00:43:59,961 --> 00:44:05,401
>> Sarah : And. And they write her so well because she's not

745
00:44:05,401 --> 00:44:08,321
Homelander. That's a very different kind of

746
00:44:08,321 --> 00:44:13,161
fascinating because Kate still has humanity and I.

747
00:44:13,401 --> 00:44:15,641
So that's why the scene that you were just

748
00:44:15,641 --> 00:44:19,191
telling. Touching on a few minutes ago, where she

749
00:44:19,191 --> 00:44:24,031
finds out like a. Are we gonna get a flashback

750
00:44:24,191 --> 00:44:27,671
about what happened to Kate? Because how does she

751
00:44:27,671 --> 00:44:31,520
go from being, the info enforcer we see for

752
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:36,441
Homelander and friends to. To. To a few months

753
00:44:36,441 --> 00:44:40,041
later making deals to get her. Her quote unquote

754
00:44:40,041 --> 00:44:45,001
friends out of prison and then to find out that

755
00:44:45,001 --> 00:44:51,241
Andre died and nobody will tell her. And ah, so.

756
00:44:52,121 --> 00:44:57,721
So I don't know if she's still being manipulated.

757
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,561
I mean, I kind of suspect of it, but I also.

758
00:45:01,721 --> 00:45:07,401
There's a part of her, she's so. She's so all over

759
00:45:07,401 --> 00:45:11,241
the place, but not in a bad way, more in like a.

760
00:45:12,201 --> 00:45:16,041
They. They are hiding some stuff about her. And,

761
00:45:16,121 --> 00:45:19,171
And I can't. I can't completely not like her

762
00:45:19,171 --> 00:45:22,651
because technically in these three episodes, she

763
00:45:22,651 --> 00:45:24,051
didn't really do anything wrong.

764
00:45:24,771 --> 00:45:27,491
>> Will: No, no. I mean, yeah, I mean, you know, we do, you

765
00:45:27,491 --> 00:45:29,331
know, we learned a few things. Like, for example,

766
00:45:29,331 --> 00:45:34,631
her. Her movie, Flip Flipper, didn't do as well as

767
00:45:34,631 --> 00:45:38,151
the Garfield movie. So, you know, her social

768
00:45:38,151 --> 00:45:41,831
ranking definitely, like, got dropped a bit, but.

769
00:45:41,831 --> 00:45:43,431
Yeah, but you're right. I mean, but she still has

770
00:45:43,431 --> 00:45:46,111
enough, you Know, but they still, you know, and I

771
00:45:46,111 --> 00:45:50,151
guess Cipher still is using her to, you know, she

772
00:45:50,151 --> 00:45:54,991
has a skill set that, that is. To the larger,

773
00:45:56,031 --> 00:46:00,111
well, agenda she had. She had prior. Well, at

774
00:46:00,111 --> 00:46:02,431
least up to that point. Up until, up until the end

775
00:46:02,431 --> 00:46:03,151
of episode one.

776
00:46:04,131 --> 00:46:08,771
>> Sarah : Yeah. Did you think, did, did you think she was

777
00:46:08,771 --> 00:46:12,251
dead at the end of the episode? No, because I'll

778
00:46:12,251 --> 00:46:17,131
be honest, I did. When you're bleeding from the

779
00:46:17,131 --> 00:46:21,491
eyes, nose and ears, I still think that was kind

780
00:46:21,491 --> 00:46:24,371
of a bit too much only to say, like, oh, it was a

781
00:46:24,371 --> 00:46:29,651
head injury and, but I, the. And this is why I

782
00:46:29,651 --> 00:46:33,071
can't not like Kate. It's because of that scene

783
00:46:33,071 --> 00:46:38,751
later when she's talking to Cipher and Cipher puts

784
00:46:38,751 --> 00:46:42,711
her in the place and says, girl, you don't, don't

785
00:46:42,711 --> 00:46:46,951
worry about Jordan because you don't have your

786
00:46:46,951 --> 00:46:50,511
powers and you need to get them back or else you

787
00:46:50,511 --> 00:46:55,351
are of no value. And why that scene resonated so

788
00:46:55,351 --> 00:46:59,321
much to me because it instantly reminded me of her

789
00:46:59,401 --> 00:47:03,191
scene, with the former dean of students from last

790
00:47:03,191 --> 00:47:03,591
season.

791
00:47:03,991 --> 00:47:04,471
>> Will: Yes.

792
00:47:04,471 --> 00:47:08,311
>> Sarah : And, and this is. And, and so what they've done

793
00:47:08,311 --> 00:47:13,311
with Kate is they've, they've her power set wise.

794
00:47:13,311 --> 00:47:17,031
But also some of her vulnerability comes from

795
00:47:17,111 --> 00:47:21,991
like, she is this fascinating fusion between Jean

796
00:47:21,991 --> 00:47:23,591
Grey and Rogue.

797
00:47:25,361 --> 00:47:25,681
>> Will: Yeah.

798
00:47:25,761 --> 00:47:26,721
>> Sarah : No good.

799
00:47:27,921 --> 00:47:30,681
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was going m. Yeah, I was

800
00:47:30,681 --> 00:47:33,201
like, agreeing. Yeah, that's, that's a good, like

801
00:47:33,441 --> 00:47:36,001
a good pull. Because all these do have analogs in

802
00:47:36,001 --> 00:47:38,241
the X Men. And that's probably spot on.

803
00:47:38,961 --> 00:47:43,821
>> Sarah : Yeah. but, but it's not. Because it's a fusion.

804
00:47:43,901 --> 00:47:48,541
It's not clearly like copy and paste. And also you

805
00:47:48,541 --> 00:47:52,841
get more of the sense with the, the vulnerability.

806
00:47:53,561 --> 00:47:58,121
Like, she's very much in her Jean Gray state with

807
00:47:58,201 --> 00:48:03,761
the. I am of no use. Although I, if I, if I was, I

808
00:48:03,761 --> 00:48:06,200
would be all powerful. Like, it's almost like the

809
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:10,711
Phoenix saga going on. And then Jean, Rogue with I

810
00:48:10,711 --> 00:48:13,591
can't touch people. And we saw a lot of that in

811
00:48:13,591 --> 00:48:17,401
the first season. And, and, and that whole

812
00:48:17,401 --> 00:48:23,641
emphasis on. Because basically they've depowered

813
00:48:23,641 --> 00:48:27,441
her, which I think is so necessary and such a

814
00:48:27,441 --> 00:48:29,721
smart choice. Like, if you're not going to take

815
00:48:29,721 --> 00:48:32,561
her off of the board game, then you have to

816
00:48:32,561 --> 00:48:36,761
depower her. Because, because I couldn't. I

817
00:48:36,761 --> 00:48:39,671
wouldn't be able to stand for another, full season

818
00:48:39,911 --> 00:48:44,961
of Sam being able to, to like, go along his way

819
00:48:44,961 --> 00:48:49,841
and just like get the juice from Kate. Okay. That

820
00:48:49,841 --> 00:48:53,761
dependency needed to be broken so that a. He could

821
00:48:53,761 --> 00:48:58,801
grow and so could she. but, but between that scene

822
00:48:58,801 --> 00:49:01,361
and When Cypher almost put her hand in the

823
00:49:01,361 --> 00:49:08,211
blender. Oh yeah, like, like I, I just. She's not

824
00:49:08,211 --> 00:49:12,891
the both her and Sam. And this is probably why I,

825
00:49:12,891 --> 00:49:16,651
I enjoy the writing specifically on Gen V is that

826
00:49:17,131 --> 00:49:23,451
they have characters who are, who are walking fine

827
00:49:23,451 --> 00:49:28,731
lines with being bad but also still have the

828
00:49:28,731 --> 00:49:32,721
possibility for redemption. which I think in this

829
00:49:32,721 --> 00:49:36,041
universe is needed as. And it makes sense with

830
00:49:36,281 --> 00:49:40,241
like the, the age of the people we're talk. The

831
00:49:40,241 --> 00:49:43,641
characters we're talking about like the quote

832
00:49:43,641 --> 00:49:47,161
unquote, real adults. If they're bad, they're bad.

833
00:49:47,161 --> 00:49:48,281
If they're good, they're good.

834
00:49:48,841 --> 00:49:52,201
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree with you. I mean I

835
00:49:52,201 --> 00:49:56,041
think that is, you know, that is the good thing

836
00:49:56,041 --> 00:49:58,761
about setting this up. And also to your point too

837
00:49:58,761 --> 00:50:04,111
that the depowering Kate definitely avoids the

838
00:50:04,111 --> 00:50:07,671
wash rinse repeat of. Of plot points from season

839
00:50:07,671 --> 00:50:11,301
one. So Yeah, so. And you know, and also the

840
00:50:11,301 --> 00:50:12,981
thing, the other thing that really stuck out with

841
00:50:12,981 --> 00:50:15,621
me too, especially her conversation she had with

842
00:50:15,621 --> 00:50:19,121
Cypher. and you know, it gets back to, you know,

843
00:50:19,121 --> 00:50:23,001
it really gets into the larger theme of, of what

844
00:50:23,001 --> 00:50:25,201
we've seen in these three episodes and you know,

845
00:50:25,281 --> 00:50:27,971
and just the campus as far as you know, you know,

846
00:50:27,971 --> 00:50:30,771
the human entrance and, and you know, make soup,

847
00:50:30,851 --> 00:50:33,491
you know, make you know, make America super again

848
00:50:33,491 --> 00:50:37,051
and all you know, all the, all the larger you

849
00:50:37,051 --> 00:50:41,141
know, the things going on as far as just the soup

850
00:50:41,141 --> 00:50:45,291
supremacy, agenda that that Homelander has

851
00:50:45,291 --> 00:50:50,661
unleashed and, and and and and they're executing

852
00:50:50,741 --> 00:50:53,301
here on this campus and they're you know, use you

853
00:50:53,301 --> 00:50:55,141
know, molding these students. I mean when you look

854
00:50:55,141 --> 00:50:57,941
at the trad wife in the, in the, in the class and

855
00:50:58,181 --> 00:51:03,181
you know she talks. Talks about how to you know,

856
00:51:03,181 --> 00:51:05,141
again manipulate the media and you see, you know,

857
00:51:05,141 --> 00:51:07,861
with the, the cameos of Firecracker and you know,

858
00:51:07,861 --> 00:51:12,061
we know how much of you know, wherever her, you

859
00:51:12,061 --> 00:51:15,781
know, you know, her hypersexualized, you know,

860
00:51:15,781 --> 00:51:18,741
cleavage showing. Yeah yeah, these things. I mean

861
00:51:18,901 --> 00:51:22,101
all that is just like, you know, all these

862
00:51:22,101 --> 00:51:25,421
elements are like working so well together in

863
00:51:25,421 --> 00:51:28,501
these first three episodes. And you know, and so

864
00:51:29,221 --> 00:51:31,581
of course you see some of the real world analogs,

865
00:51:31,581 --> 00:51:34,141
but also just, but within this universe they, they

866
00:51:34,141 --> 00:51:38,461
just make it you, they make it narratively.

867
00:51:38,461 --> 00:51:38,741
>> Sarah : They.

868
00:51:38,741 --> 00:51:41,821
>> Will: It's. It's where I, where I felt like season four

869
00:51:41,821 --> 00:51:47,511
the boys sometimes went on the nose to the so much

870
00:51:47,511 --> 00:51:51,471
that. To your point about you know, where, where

871
00:51:51,471 --> 00:51:53,711
like, you know, the shock value got diluted

872
00:51:53,711 --> 00:51:55,911
sometimes I felt like it was just so on the nose

873
00:51:55,911 --> 00:51:58,511
in season four of the Boys that it just sort of

874
00:51:58,511 --> 00:52:01,511
like, okay, yeah, I get it. You know, move on.

875
00:52:02,031 --> 00:52:04,951
yeah, I feel like in this, in this show so far, in

876
00:52:04,951 --> 00:52:06,591
these first three episodes, they're, they're

877
00:52:06,591 --> 00:52:10,631
really showing the, you know, taking it to the

878
00:52:10,631 --> 00:52:13,291
next step as far as, like, okay, we saw the

879
00:52:13,291 --> 00:52:15,531
foundations and see, you know, leading up to this

880
00:52:15,531 --> 00:52:18,371
moment. Now. Now what? And I feel like we're

881
00:52:18,371 --> 00:52:21,291
getting the, the now what, at least with these

882
00:52:21,291 --> 00:52:22,211
first three episodes.

883
00:52:25,781 --> 00:52:28,981
>> Sarah : what do you think Cypher's powers are?

884
00:52:29,701 --> 00:52:34,981
>> Will: Oh, boy. You know, he's like, so properly named.

885
00:52:35,941 --> 00:52:39,851
>> Sarah : Is there, is there a chance he is actually human?

886
00:52:41,051 --> 00:52:47,001
>> Will: I, I don't. It's a chance for sure. you know,

887
00:52:47,001 --> 00:52:48,801
because he could be, you know, he could be a

888
00:52:48,801 --> 00:52:50,841
human. You know, he could be a collaborator for

889
00:52:50,841 --> 00:52:51,161
sure.

890
00:52:52,261 --> 00:52:52,771
>> Sarah : yeah.

891
00:52:53,191 --> 00:52:57,221
>> Will: but, you know, but I just don't. But I don't know

892
00:52:57,221 --> 00:53:02,741
if Homelander would allow a collaborator to, like,

893
00:53:03,581 --> 00:53:05,101
in this very critical.

894
00:53:05,261 --> 00:53:07,581
>> Sarah : Well, I see. Hold on, hold on.

895
00:53:07,901 --> 00:53:08,381
>> Will: Yeah.

896
00:53:08,621 --> 00:53:15,461
>> Sarah : If he's human, he is also smart enough to give the

897
00:53:15,461 --> 00:53:19,661
impression or figure out a way to hide that from

898
00:53:19,661 --> 00:53:24,741
everyone. Like, he, we learn through Odessa that

899
00:53:24,741 --> 00:53:29,351
he. Okay, he's been involved with a lot of.

900
00:53:30,151 --> 00:53:35,951
Because we learn that he was clearly seen by Emma

901
00:53:35,951 --> 00:53:41,001
and Jordan at Elmar El Elmyra, where they were

902
00:53:41,001 --> 00:53:44,961
held over the summer, and he was doing some sort

903
00:53:44,961 --> 00:53:48,521
of research or something. Then later we learned

904
00:53:48,521 --> 00:53:53,311
about Adessa, which brings, Marie to Aunt Pam's

905
00:53:53,311 --> 00:54:00,031
house where she finds a photo of Mr. Cipher. And,

906
00:54:00,031 --> 00:54:02,511
and we're told Cipher helped deliver.

907
00:54:03,311 --> 00:54:05,671
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, he's older.

908
00:54:05,671 --> 00:54:10,471
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He, so, so delivered

909
00:54:10,471 --> 00:54:17,281
Marie. And, so he's a doctor and Marie was one of

910
00:54:17,281 --> 00:54:23,931
25 every. The 24 other babies didn't come. Come to

911
00:54:23,931 --> 00:54:27,651
fruition. So she, she, she's, she's connected. And

912
00:54:27,651 --> 00:54:30,731
that's also why he's taken such interest in her,

913
00:54:31,811 --> 00:54:34,771
and needed her to breathe back because they are

914
00:54:34,771 --> 00:54:37,811
relaunching the Odessa project, whatever that is,

915
00:54:38,781 --> 00:54:42,401
has to do with babies, obviously, and carrying on

916
00:54:42,401 --> 00:54:44,361
the hue. The super gene.

917
00:54:44,761 --> 00:54:45,241
>> Will: Yeah.

918
00:54:45,641 --> 00:54:52,441
>> Sarah : But I, so I, what I, what I'm getting at is he's

919
00:54:52,441 --> 00:54:57,401
been involved with so much, but there, there's

920
00:54:57,401 --> 00:55:00,361
also part of me, like, they're doing a fake out

921
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,681
there. Like, to your point, his, his name, Cypher,

922
00:55:04,681 --> 00:55:09,121
it's very on point. Like, like, I wouldn't, I

923
00:55:09,121 --> 00:55:12,721
would, I wouldn't be surprised if, like, he does

924
00:55:12,721 --> 00:55:16,361
have powers, but it's like, minimal. And really

925
00:55:16,361 --> 00:55:20,451
his biggest strength is his brain. but but. And,

926
00:55:20,451 --> 00:55:23,771
and his ability to live in that world without

927
00:55:23,851 --> 00:55:27,491
people realizing, like, they don't need him. He's

928
00:55:27,491 --> 00:55:30,571
made himself inexpendable somehow.

929
00:55:30,971 --> 00:55:35,471
>> Will: Yeah, well, he's like a blend of Xavier, You know.

930
00:55:36,191 --> 00:55:36,991
>> Sarah : Magneto.

931
00:55:36,991 --> 00:55:41,361
>> Will: Yeah, Magneto. And. And it, like you said, I mean,

932
00:55:41,761 --> 00:55:47,721
to your point, I mean, would make sense that now

933
00:55:47,721 --> 00:55:50,041
that you mention it, that he. That, you know, he.

934
00:55:50,041 --> 00:55:52,441
He would be. He would be human. I mean, you know,

935
00:55:52,441 --> 00:55:56,121
because maybe he's, you know, I know I've seen

936
00:55:56,121 --> 00:55:58,201
some theories out there that, that he, you know,

937
00:55:58,201 --> 00:56:01,321
that, you know, because his name is Dr. Gold, so

938
00:56:01,321 --> 00:56:02,921
some folks are like, well, maybe he's the

939
00:56:02,921 --> 00:56:10,061
descendant of, you know, Thomas. yeah, and, so

940
00:56:10,061 --> 00:56:12,141
I've seen that theory out there. Or, you know, and

941
00:56:12,141 --> 00:56:15,521
also given, you know, given Godolkins, whenever,

942
00:56:15,521 --> 00:56:18,551
you know, when a season started in 1967, you know,

943
00:56:18,551 --> 00:56:21,711
we, you know, we see the, the first go round with,

944
00:56:21,711 --> 00:56:24,431
with this Odessa and, And Compound V and, you

945
00:56:24,431 --> 00:56:27,471
know, we know all the effects of. Of of Compound V

946
00:56:27,471 --> 00:56:29,431
on adults. And then, of course, with this Odessa

947
00:56:29,431 --> 00:56:32,411
project, you know, you know, things end with the

948
00:56:32,411 --> 00:56:36,331
fire. And, and so, you know, is he re. You know,

949
00:56:36,331 --> 00:56:42,131
is he like a re. Branded person, you know, or. Son

950
00:56:42,131 --> 00:56:43,851
of Godolkin? So, I mean, there's, you know, so

951
00:56:43,851 --> 00:56:45,971
there's things. But I like, I like your theory

952
00:56:45,971 --> 00:56:48,451
that he's actually human. That he's not. He's not.

953
00:56:48,451 --> 00:56:50,611
He's not. He's not a soup. Superhuman.

954
00:56:51,171 --> 00:56:51,651
>> Sarah : Yeah.

955
00:56:52,291 --> 00:56:56,051
>> Will: that he is. He's. He is figured out a way to,

956
00:56:56,051 --> 00:57:00,771
like, navigate this world and he truly, truly

957
00:57:00,771 --> 00:57:05,571
believe it truly, like, has figured out how to

958
00:57:05,571 --> 00:57:09,641
navigate this and, and, to manipulate things to

959
00:57:09,641 --> 00:57:12,811
his own end. but I guess the only thing is if he

960
00:57:12,811 --> 00:57:15,691
is that, you know, if he is such a true believer

961
00:57:15,691 --> 00:57:21,371
in supes, it's even, you know, to. To, you know,

962
00:57:21,371 --> 00:57:26,011
basically training him up to like, root out. Or

963
00:57:26,011 --> 00:57:29,091
maybe. Or maybe his in game is to like. To that

964
00:57:29,091 --> 00:57:31,211
point. To your point, given that he really is

965
00:57:31,211 --> 00:57:34,571
trying to train Marie, you know, we m. You know,

966
00:57:34,571 --> 00:57:38,381
Marie, unlike, Newman, you know, we saw at the end

967
00:57:38,381 --> 00:57:41,341
of season one with, With Marie, she, you know, she

968
00:57:41,341 --> 00:57:43,621
stood toe to toe with Homelander there at the end

969
00:57:43,621 --> 00:57:44,981
of the end of that. End of that season.

970
00:57:45,841 --> 00:57:48,241
>> Sarah : Oh, he knows how powerful she is.

971
00:57:48,241 --> 00:57:52,121
>> Will: Yeah. So whereas he's like. Yeah, well, I was

972
00:57:52,121 --> 00:57:55,001
gonna go with that. Worth Newman back down. Marie

973
00:57:55,001 --> 00:57:58,481
might not to take out Homelander.

974
00:57:59,121 --> 00:58:03,281
>> Sarah : Oh, oh, yeah, yeah. I, I don't think that's how

975
00:58:03,361 --> 00:58:08,201
Homelander is gonna go out I, I, I just, I don't,

976
00:58:08,201 --> 00:58:13,371
I don't see it. I, I also kind of subscribe to the

977
00:58:13,371 --> 00:58:19,951
theory that, Homelander dying is, is Homelander

978
00:58:19,951 --> 00:58:22,941
being, being depowered is worse than death for

979
00:58:22,941 --> 00:58:28,941
Homelanders. So, like. Yeah, yeah. But I don't, I

980
00:58:28,941 --> 00:58:32,261
don't think, I think Cipher and the whole training

981
00:58:32,261 --> 00:58:36,961
of the students, and, and his emphasis on Marie in

982
00:58:36,961 --> 00:58:44,021
particular, is, there's, there's more. I don't

983
00:58:44,021 --> 00:58:46,501
want to spiral too much about it just because

984
00:58:46,661 --> 00:58:50,261
there is a lot to unpack about him and to learn

985
00:58:50,261 --> 00:58:50,901
about him.

986
00:58:51,381 --> 00:58:51,861
>> Will: Yeah.

987
00:58:53,191 --> 00:58:57,311
>> Sarah : power is just one, but he's, he's been linked to

988
00:58:57,311 --> 00:59:01,281
this history. and, and he was popping out, getting

989
00:59:01,281 --> 00:59:07,681
people to pop out babies. So, so there it goes.

990
00:59:07,681 --> 00:59:10,201
There, there's something, there's something. And

991
00:59:10,761 --> 00:59:13,991
that is, yeah, what remains to be seen.

992
00:59:14,141 --> 00:59:16,261
>> Will: yeah, and it's great that he's an original

993
00:59:16,261 --> 00:59:18,061
character to the show too. So he's not in the

994
00:59:18,061 --> 00:59:20,941
comics. So we have, you know, so we're all, we're

995
00:59:20,941 --> 00:59:23,021
all flying blind as far as trying to figure out

996
00:59:23,021 --> 00:59:24,221
what, what, what, what.

997
00:59:24,621 --> 00:59:27,181
>> Sarah : Thank God. Because I swear, if somebody would

998
00:59:27,181 --> 00:59:30,301
spoil what his power was for me, I would be so

999
00:59:30,301 --> 00:59:33,101
pissed. But thank God. Thank you for telling me

1000
00:59:33,101 --> 00:59:33,421
that.

1001
00:59:33,901 --> 00:59:34,231
>> Will: Yeah.

1002
00:59:34,671 --> 00:59:42,721
>> Sarah : Marie, to, to, to, to kind of end it. I go back

1003
00:59:42,721 --> 00:59:49,711
and forth on Marie. I, I, I, I think the writers

1004
00:59:49,711 --> 00:59:52,111
did so well with a lot of the other characters

1005
00:59:52,111 --> 00:59:57,111
that she kind of just was there up until her

1006
00:59:57,111 --> 01:00:03,301
confrontation with, ah, Aunt Pam. because I, I, I

1007
01:00:03,301 --> 01:00:07,181
adore the, the monologue and the speech about my

1008
01:00:07,181 --> 01:00:10,181
parents did this. I did not do this. I was a girl

1009
01:00:10,181 --> 01:00:16,051
who got my period. every be. That scene stood out.

1010
01:00:16,051 --> 01:00:18,731
And it was in the third episode and so I was

1011
01:00:18,731 --> 01:00:24,091
waiting for it because Marie, because she had

1012
01:00:24,091 --> 01:00:27,451
escaped before everyone else because she was on

1013
01:00:27,451 --> 01:00:31,690
the run while Jordan and Emma were being set free,

1014
01:00:32,251 --> 01:00:36,571
she felt isolated a lot of these episodes on her

1015
01:00:36,571 --> 01:00:41,131
own thing. And then I do ship Marie and Jordan,

1016
01:00:41,651 --> 01:00:45,571
but the whole I love you and not saying it back, I

1017
01:00:45,571 --> 01:00:48,571
was like, really? With all this other going on,

1018
01:00:48,571 --> 01:00:53,251
we're gonna do this. I don't. That, that was kind

1019
01:00:53,251 --> 01:00:55,931
of like, oh, that's child's play, y'. All. Come

1020
01:00:55,931 --> 01:00:59,011
on. This isn't the summer I turned pretty. Come

1021
01:00:59,011 --> 01:01:02,211
on. This is Gen V. What we doing here?

1022
01:01:03,011 --> 01:01:05,851
>> Will: So, you know, back in. Yeah, yeah. We all had

1023
01:01:05,851 --> 01:01:08,051
those awkward moments in college. I mean, we did.

1024
01:01:10,981 --> 01:01:12,221
>> Sarah : I, I don't.

1025
01:01:12,221 --> 01:01:14,541
>> Will: It wasn't, it wasn't daring. It felt real. I mean,

1026
01:01:14,541 --> 01:01:15,701
I will say it did feel.

1027
01:01:16,421 --> 01:01:20,511
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, sure, sure. But. But I, It's not

1028
01:01:20,511 --> 01:01:23,631
something I would have expected within this first

1029
01:01:23,631 --> 01:01:28,311
three episodes to be a story point with all of

1030
01:01:28,311 --> 01:01:29,871
this other is going on.

1031
01:01:30,351 --> 01:01:33,111
>> Will: I would agree with you. I agree with you up to a

1032
01:01:33,111 --> 01:01:36,281
point. I think they, I think they redeemed it with

1033
01:01:36,521 --> 01:01:40,101
the, with, Jordan's speech at the end.

1034
01:01:41,021 --> 01:01:44,251
>> Sarah : yeah, I didn't, I didn't even like it. I didn't, I

1035
01:01:44,251 --> 01:01:48,131
didn't get. I know what you're talking about. And

1036
01:01:48,131 --> 01:01:51,571
so I can see how it can be perceived that way. For

1037
01:01:51,571 --> 01:01:55,131
me, it didn't get redeemed for that. I thought. I

1038
01:01:55,131 --> 01:01:58,931
thought was more interesting about the speech is,

1039
01:01:59,211 --> 01:02:05,811
the fact that a. They did. They did subtly, just

1040
01:02:05,811 --> 01:02:09,931
like, Just like with Emma and the whole not being

1041
01:02:09,931 --> 01:02:15,291
able to really have control over her powers and

1042
01:02:15,291 --> 01:02:18,651
this whole point that Cipher brings up in the, in

1043
01:02:18,651 --> 01:02:22,491
the first. In the second episode, it's like these

1044
01:02:22,731 --> 01:02:26,501
characters really don't. Because we've. I don't

1045
01:02:26,501 --> 01:02:31,781
know why Jordan changes gender. Like, what is the

1046
01:02:31,781 --> 01:02:35,211
cause? It. Do they do it on purpose? do they have

1047
01:02:35,211 --> 01:02:39,971
a trigger? Why do they do that? Like, I have no

1048
01:02:39,971 --> 01:02:43,811
idea. I mean, and, and we see it very. I mean,

1049
01:02:44,691 --> 01:02:47,731
they are in bed with Marie, and one minute it's

1050
01:02:47,731 --> 01:02:51,221
girl, and the next moment it's. It's the male

1051
01:02:51,221 --> 01:02:54,821
version of, Of Jordan kissing her. And it's just

1052
01:02:54,821 --> 01:02:59,301
like, okay, well, why? And so I, I, I feel like

1053
01:02:59,301 --> 01:03:04,101
they planted such a good seed with that that you

1054
01:03:04,101 --> 01:03:08,901
do start to subtly question why these characters

1055
01:03:08,981 --> 01:03:14,131
are using the powers the way they are. the other

1056
01:03:14,211 --> 01:03:16,681
thing that stood out to me with the speaker speech

1057
01:03:17,641 --> 01:03:22,771
was, was that you have Kate in the audience, a

1058
01:03:22,771 --> 01:03:26,771
depowered Kate, which is also something nobody

1059
01:03:26,771 --> 01:03:30,251
else really knows is going on. I don't even think

1060
01:03:30,251 --> 01:03:35,211
that Jordan and Marie know this, that through the

1061
01:03:35,211 --> 01:03:39,091
incident, Kate's lost her powers. The one of the

1062
01:03:39,091 --> 01:03:42,291
most. I m. Think she was ranked number one, and

1063
01:03:42,291 --> 01:03:45,031
now Jordan's ranked number one. And Jordan is

1064
01:03:45,271 --> 01:03:49,071
admitting, hey, you know those innocent. Those

1065
01:03:49,071 --> 01:03:51,071
people y' all killed because you thought they

1066
01:03:51,071 --> 01:03:54,391
attacked K. Yeah, they didn't. Okay. It was me.

1067
01:03:54,791 --> 01:03:55,191
>> Will: Y.

1068
01:03:55,431 --> 01:04:00,071
>> Sarah : So I. And, And I like how that was shot because I

1069
01:04:00,071 --> 01:04:04,291
feel like they put, like, some space with Kate in

1070
01:04:04,291 --> 01:04:08,411
the audience and the vulnerability. And then to

1071
01:04:08,411 --> 01:04:11,771
have Jordan at the stage stadium, like, oh, it

1072
01:04:11,771 --> 01:04:13,171
was, it was so clever.

1073
01:04:13,731 --> 01:04:16,571
>> Will: It was, it was. I love the, I love the framing of

1074
01:04:16,571 --> 01:04:20,451
that. It was. Whenever the episode cut the black,

1075
01:04:20,451 --> 01:04:23,211
I was like, no, I was just like, I'm ready for the

1076
01:04:23,211 --> 01:04:25,811
next One. Because. Yeah. The framing of that whole

1077
01:04:26,051 --> 01:04:28,211
sequence there was just so well done.

1078
01:04:28,691 --> 01:04:34,851
>> Sarah : Yeah. And it. And it leaves you. It's such a good

1079
01:04:34,851 --> 01:04:38,831
point to kind of end, this. These three episodes

1080
01:04:38,831 --> 01:04:42,511
on. Because it's like, A, we're just gonna start

1081
01:04:42,511 --> 01:04:47,751
it, and B. Holy. What, Like, Cypher, like, just

1082
01:04:47,751 --> 01:04:52,831
walks away. But. But you're also like, what are

1083
01:04:52,831 --> 01:04:53,911
the repercussions?

1084
01:04:54,231 --> 01:04:55,071
>> Will: Right, right.

1085
01:04:55,071 --> 01:04:58,671
>> Sarah : And. And all of the different angles on this.

1086
01:04:58,671 --> 01:05:00,871
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you had, you know, you

1087
01:05:00,871 --> 01:05:03,041
had Sally, the, you know, the. The,

1088
01:05:03,871 --> 01:05:04,991
>> Sarah : Is that the B lady?

1089
01:05:05,071 --> 01:05:07,431
>> Will: The B lady, yeah. You know, she was taking a

1090
01:05:07,431 --> 01:05:09,881
western, names place, Ashley's place, You know,

1091
01:05:09,881 --> 01:05:14,361
who was the PR plaque. And. And, you know, she

1092
01:05:14,361 --> 01:05:18,701
was, You know, she born. You know, when. When

1093
01:05:18,701 --> 01:05:20,501
Jordan was like, you know, question like this.

1094
01:05:20,501 --> 01:05:22,661
This speech. She was like, look, you know, dude,

1095
01:05:22,661 --> 01:05:24,621
do you want to go back to Elmira? You know, so

1096
01:05:24,621 --> 01:05:26,581
they kept, you know, so, you know, to my point

1097
01:05:26,581 --> 01:05:29,471
earlier, I mean, these kids are just in. They just

1098
01:05:29,471 --> 01:05:31,471
wish they just swapped out one cell for another.

1099
01:05:31,551 --> 01:05:34,341
It's just, you know, they say, the difference is

1100
01:05:34,341 --> 01:05:35,701
just basically settings.

1101
01:05:35,941 --> 01:05:41,421
>> Sarah : But, well. But the irony is everyone who tells

1102
01:05:41,421 --> 01:05:45,291
them that this is the safest place for them, is

1103
01:05:45,291 --> 01:05:49,971
not wrong. That's what I kept thinking about every

1104
01:05:49,971 --> 01:05:52,531
time those conversations would happen. It's like.

1105
01:05:53,411 --> 01:05:57,411
And that's why there was so much more, which I

1106
01:05:57,411 --> 01:06:00,431
didn't expect, of, the boys reminding you what

1107
01:06:00,431 --> 01:06:03,871
happened in season four of the Boys. Because if

1108
01:06:03,871 --> 01:06:06,831
you think about everything else that is happening

1109
01:06:06,831 --> 01:06:12,351
in that world outside, arguably that school is the

1110
01:06:12,351 --> 01:06:15,431
safest place. It's just such a mind where. Yes,

1111
01:06:15,431 --> 01:06:18,870
you're right. It is a prison cell, but it's also

1112
01:06:19,910 --> 01:06:24,710
not the worst place they could be, in a weird way.

1113
01:06:25,190 --> 01:06:25,311
Yeah.

1114
01:06:25,311 --> 01:06:27,240
>> Will: Ah, true. yeah. I mean, you know, you had the

1115
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,000
virus. You know, you had potential virus out there

1116
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,951
and so many other things that, that are going on.

1117
01:06:32,031 --> 01:06:34,442
And, you know, and even Cypher acknowledges. He's

1118
01:06:34,442 --> 01:06:37,082
like, look, there's only X number thousand of this

1119
01:06:37,242 --> 01:06:39,722
versus, like, if they. If the. If the humans got

1120
01:06:39,722 --> 01:06:41,802
organized, you know, we don't stand the chance.

1121
01:06:42,202 --> 01:06:46,323
>> Sarah : Oh, such statistical manipulation.

1122
01:06:47,123 --> 01:06:47,763
>> Will: It is.

1123
01:06:49,603 --> 01:06:51,443
>> Sarah : So. Oh, my God.

1124
01:06:53,363 --> 01:06:56,063
>> Will: Yeah, but it's just. So. But it's. Yeah, But, But

1125
01:06:56,063 --> 01:06:58,793
yeah, like I said, I mean, the. The. The, You

1126
01:06:58,793 --> 01:07:02,523
know, the other thing, as far as Marie, I did

1127
01:07:02,523 --> 01:07:04,443
like, like you said when she went to go see Pam.

1128
01:07:04,443 --> 01:07:06,163
And of course, you know, of course we m. You know,

1129
01:07:06,163 --> 01:07:09,083
we still want. Trying. She's still trying to find

1130
01:07:09,083 --> 01:07:11,923
her sister, and you know, really try to write

1131
01:07:11,923 --> 01:07:15,243
things to say, you know, with. With what happened

1132
01:07:15,243 --> 01:07:17,563
as far as, you know. Like you said, the speech was

1133
01:07:17,563 --> 01:07:18,803
so powerful, the mom.

1134
01:07:19,043 --> 01:07:19,453
>> Sarah : Yeah.

1135
01:07:19,453 --> 01:07:19,593
>> Will: Ah.

1136
01:07:20,723 --> 01:07:22,643
>> Sarah : Where do you think annabeth is?

1137
01:07:24,523 --> 01:07:27,013
>> Will: she's. We're gonna get her this some point this

1138
01:07:27,013 --> 01:07:27,813
season, I think.

1139
01:07:28,543 --> 01:07:29,983
>> Sarah : Will she have a power?

1140
01:07:31,752 --> 01:07:34,592
>> Will: That. That's the big unknown for me. I don't know

1141
01:07:34,592 --> 01:07:37,752
if the parents also got her treated with compound

1142
01:07:37,752 --> 01:07:39,592
V or not.

1143
01:07:41,212 --> 01:07:45,652
>> Sarah : yeah, because that line by Aunt Pam. No, annabeth

1144
01:07:45,652 --> 01:07:51,132
was their real miracle. I was like. Seems fishy.

1145
01:07:51,772 --> 01:07:53,852
>> Will: Yeah. Whenever she said that, I was like, this

1146
01:07:53,852 --> 01:07:54,812
girl's got powers.

1147
01:07:57,612 --> 01:07:59,052
>> Sarah : Why doesn't she want to be found?

1148
01:07:59,683 --> 01:08:01,363
>> Will: Yeah, she's definitely not in Red. She's not in

1149
01:08:01,363 --> 01:08:04,283
Red river for sure. But, but she's out there

1150
01:08:04,283 --> 01:08:06,693
somewhere. And, Yeah. So, you know, we'll. We'll.

1151
01:08:06,693 --> 01:08:09,993
I think we'll learn, very, very soon about what's

1152
01:08:09,993 --> 01:08:13,183
going on there. but. But. But part of me was like,

1153
01:08:13,183 --> 01:08:16,393
I'm. I am hoping that she's normal, normal human.

1154
01:08:16,553 --> 01:08:20,193
And. And because I think that would. To me, that

1155
01:08:20,193 --> 01:08:22,433
would make it a more challenging story instead of

1156
01:08:22,433 --> 01:08:24,513
the. The obvious, like, oh, yeah, they treated her

1157
01:08:24,513 --> 01:08:25,383
with compound B as well.

1158
01:08:26,493 --> 01:08:26,733
>> Sarah : Yeah.

1159
01:08:26,733 --> 01:08:28,333
>> Will: Because that seems too obvious to me.

1160
01:08:28,893 --> 01:08:33,293
>> Sarah : Yeah. any other thoughts? Because I have. I have

1161
01:08:33,293 --> 01:08:35,093
said everything I've wanted to say.

1162
01:08:35,493 --> 01:08:38,773
>> Will: no, I think we hit all the major, major points. I

1163
01:08:38,773 --> 01:08:42,253
mean, you know, in. In our discussion tonight,

1164
01:08:43,463 --> 01:08:45,663
with all. With all the characters. So I mean, only

1165
01:08:45,663 --> 01:08:47,303
last. I guess the last thing too is, you know,

1166
01:08:47,303 --> 01:08:50,353
we're just talking about the humans and, and just

1167
01:08:50,953 --> 01:08:53,923
again, why I thought Emma was the MVP was, just,

1168
01:08:54,083 --> 01:08:56,963
you know, how she. How she treated the barista,

1169
01:08:57,253 --> 01:09:00,623
which again, just shows her humanity. you know,

1170
01:09:00,623 --> 01:09:03,983
trying to figure out what was, you know, you know,

1171
01:09:03,983 --> 01:09:06,623
who kept putting the. The Resist flyer up in the.

1172
01:09:06,623 --> 01:09:11,423
In the coffee shop there. And, you know, so. So

1173
01:09:11,423 --> 01:09:15,293
again, those are the. They're. Those are the

1174
01:09:15,293 --> 01:09:17,813
little moments in this show that, that I think

1175
01:09:17,893 --> 01:09:21,903
just. Just make it work. So. So. So. Well, you

1176
01:09:21,903 --> 01:09:25,103
know, amongst all the, you know, like you said at

1177
01:09:25,103 --> 01:09:27,333
the beginning, you know, you have all the hijinks

1178
01:09:27,333 --> 01:09:30,133
and the, you know, the. The shock value things,

1179
01:09:30,133 --> 01:09:32,653
but I think where the show really excels is the

1180
01:09:32,813 --> 01:09:35,663
smaller moments. and it really shows the humanity

1181
01:09:35,663 --> 01:09:39,723
of these characters, as they deal with there as

1182
01:09:39,723 --> 01:09:43,393
they, you know, on this campus. And, And I think

1183
01:09:43,393 --> 01:09:47,063
that's. I think they do. I think so far, you know,

1184
01:09:47,063 --> 01:09:48,943
that's what I think I liked about the boys early

1185
01:09:48,943 --> 01:09:51,223
on too with those smaller moments and, and, and

1186
01:09:51,223 --> 01:09:53,572
it's carried over into the show. and I think

1187
01:09:53,572 --> 01:09:55,933
they're actually doing it better right now. So.

1188
01:09:56,493 --> 01:09:58,003
But that's all I have for, for tonight.

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>> Sarah : Well, on that note, Will, why don't you tell our

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listeners where they can find you?

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>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at ah

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>> Sarah : L k and you can find me there too at sjbelman S J

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