Gen V: Season 2 Finale and Severance Episode 2 x 2 Review and Discussion

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>> Will: Music

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>> Sarah : Greetings Nerds This is Scene N nerd. I'm your

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host, Sarah Belmont, and with me, as always, is

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our Mr. Producer, Will Paul. How are you doing

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tonight, Will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. Looking forward to talking

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Gen V and Severance tonight with you.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Are you, doing any dress up of any kind on

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Halloween?

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>> Will: so I'm host. So hosted a Halloween party here.

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Wow. Yeah. Yeah, well, I wish it were for me, but

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it's actually, it's my son and all his high school

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friends.

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>> Sarah : Okay.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, but, yeah, but I wish it were an adult

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party, but not this year. but, but we also, we do

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have a, a trick or treat in the neighborhood. So.

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So, previous years I wore some Star Trek stuff. So

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I'm thinking about, if the weather's nice and all,

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I probably will do maybe some sort of Star Trek

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themed costume. I did recently get a tunic,

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Strange New Worlds tunic and stuff that I've been

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looking for an occasion to, to wear. Not just to

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do like my Star Trek videos, but just for

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something else. And and so, yeah, so I may have to

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premiere it for, for Halloween. But what, about

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you?

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>> Sarah : No, okay.

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>> Will: I, I will say my, my piano teacher, she was

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telling me Saturday that she and her friends were

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doing a murder mystery. and so I was like, oh,

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that's pretty cool. I've been to one of those

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before. She's like, oh, no, no, no, no, no. We are

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writing a murder mystery. So now I'm just like,

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hm, all right. The pressure. I'm like, you know, I

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think I might have to do that, in, in, in the

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future as far as like a potential Halloween, you

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know, thing to do with like my friends and stuff

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around here.

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>> Sarah : To actually write a murder mystery.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : In one night.

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>> Will: Well, they're writing it now and she, and she was

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just like, and she's like, she told her friend,

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she told the folks she's doing it with her friend

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group, no AI. And, and, and so, and she's like,

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I'm just going to trust that they do not use AI to

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write this. And, but, so, so when we have class

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again, I'll have to, I'll have to ask her, you

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know, how did the, how did the murder mystery go?

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And, and could you tell whether or not it was

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written by AI or not?

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>> Sarah : Okay.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : We would spend so much of tonight talking about

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this. If I continue to raise questions because I

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have a million of them. but we're, we're, we're

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not. I'm gonna, I'm gonna transition because, to

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talk about Halloween a little bit more. There was

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a episode, ah, of the new season and Nobody Wants

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this, where I learned about Jewish Halloween. I

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didn't know that was a thing, but it is and it was

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an episode. And yes, that means I have, I'm kind

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of disappointed in myself. But I had a few other

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things, that caught my attention this weekend. but

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I was close. I came, I came three episodes short.

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The, I think it's eight or I think it's ten

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episodes, half hour each of, of double lapping.

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Watching the full season twice. But I had a day

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off last week, so that's what I account for. Like,

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but by the time Thursday I had Thursday off, so I

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was able to like watch like half of the season on

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Thursday alone. So that's why it was just a mad

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dash and it's such an easy viewing. my thoughts

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about season two are Season one, it's the new

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factor. Right?

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>> Will: Right.

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>> Sarah : It's, it's unexpected, it's more charming and

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everything. Now, with all of that said, I don't

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think season two falls short. I do see how it

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falls into that pattern that a lot of seasons two,

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do. It's where it's like rinse, wash, repeat of

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season one. But, but okay, I don't hate it. Like,

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I, I can see how there was, there was not a

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resolution. I can see the differences between the

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conflict, that is going on with the main

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characters. I can see how it's, it's a lot of

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nuance and it's not a stark difference, but it is,

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it is a progression of a relationship. So you.

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Yes, it's the, the finales in particular are very

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similar, but they get to a very different place.

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season one is just about being together and then

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season two is more about this idea. Like you keep

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telling me, I can only, I have to like for me to

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say I want to be Jewish. I can only do it if,

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like, that's something I really want. Like, I

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can't factor you into it, which is kind of

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impossible. So, so by the end of it, they get it

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to a different resolution. And I also think, more

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importantly, the supporting cast also continued to

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evolve in their own trajectory.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : So, so I, I, I, I like it. And I know you were,

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you made some comments about how, like, this all

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sounds familiar. And it got me thinking, like,

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this year, it's just a lot of seasons too. Will.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yes. There really has been quite a bit of

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season two seasons too. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : For, for better and for worse. I mean, yeah, I

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mean and, and it's not to say there's been a few

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new shows but, but predominantly we're just stuck

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in the season two cycle and, and like that leads

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us right into Gen V season two, episode eight,

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Trojan. The season finale. The students face the

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greatest, their greatest threat yet. As Godalklyn

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University descends into chaos. Marie, Jordan and

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Emma must confront powerful enemies and shocking

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betrayals, leading to a brutal showdown that

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reshaped their future. Okay, whoever wrote the

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previous episode summaries, they got a new writer

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because that summary sucked. I, so in talking

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about seasons two also season finales, it reminds

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me of another season two we wrapped up very

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recently, Peacemaker. And I was thinking about

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this and if you re roll the tapes, my biggest

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thing with the season two finale is that it just

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highlighted everything I had an issue with

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throughout the overall season. So I was already

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not feeling it. So the season two, it's not like

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it pushed me over the edge. It's just like yeah,

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this wasn't my season.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : While while with Gen V last week I mentioned the

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predictability factor. This, this season finale is

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very predictable. It's so predictable and it's.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And so that bothered me. But at the same time I

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still, I think that some of my annoyance with

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particularly the last two episodes.

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>> Sarah : It doesn't take away from how I feel about this

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world, this story and this overall season because

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early on there was so much strength and so much

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like just solid episodes that yes, it cost me

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theory spiral a bit more than I have in the past.

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And it kind of led me to, to jump to some

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conclusions that then, then you're just like okay,

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let's get to it. Characters are catching up to me

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and, and all of that. So yeah, overall I think

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this is a fine season finale but I do acknowledge

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that it is, it is still very predictable. And so I

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wasn't, I wasn't shocked or nothing really

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surprised me at all in this finale.

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>> Will: Yeah. So you know, so your reaction to the G, to

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the Peacemaker finale as far as exposing some of

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the, the issues that you had with the season.

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>> Will: That was my feeling with this finale with, with

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it, I, I, I came away from it feeling incredibly

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me. Which is one, there was one, there was one,

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there was one sequence in the episode that, that

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really, really captured me and I really, really

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enjoyed. and we'll get into that in a bit. But I,

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I, I came away with it. I was, I, I really, I was

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really Disappointed. I was, kind of meh about the,

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about the finale and I think the flaws that, The,

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The. The hurriedness of some of these, the arcs,

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the under. Under baking of some of the elements

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within the character development with these, with

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these characters. and also, honestly, I just felt

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like it was, ah, a wash rinse repeat of the season

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one finale as far as the structure. And, and so I,

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I, it, it left me kind of meh. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Do you want to expand upon that more or do

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you want to go to this. The thing you liked?

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>> Will: So. Yeah, so the thing that I did like and I, and,

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and you probably know which scene. Scene I'm

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talking about.

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>> Sarah : I honestly have no idea. Really.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : It was really.

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>> Will: The sequence. It was really. It was a sequence

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with, with Doug and polarity in the car.

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>> Sarah : Oh, yeah, yeah, I forgot about that one. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah.

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>> Will: That was because I think where. I think the season

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did excel and was honoring, both Andre the

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character and also Chase the actor, as far as

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their, Their role in the story and, and, and the

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fact that, you know, he got a nice little. You got

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a nice little eulogy there, with Doug sharing

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like, whenever he was. Whenever he was being

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inhabited by Golan, out of all the kids that he,

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you know, that he was. That were there, you know,

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that, that, that Andre was. Was really. Was truly

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a hero and a hero.

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>> Sarah : A hero so much he managed to piss in Golan's

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coffee. They don't know how he did it. He did

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exactly.

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>> Will: Somehow, some way. Yeah, he pissed in the coffee

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and. Yeah. And But also just, you know, and I

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think, you know, it, it goes to what, I was saying

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as far as honoring the character, because we. We

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learned early on whenever the other. Whenever he

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died in Elmira, you know, he was trying to, you

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know, Marie had like, was able to get out and all

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that, but you know, we learned that he was trying

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to rescue all his other friends and, and trying to

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get them out of Elmira. So that, that was. As far

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as the finale. That is the thing that's the

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positive that really stood out for me in the

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episode. Really, really like that. Thought it was

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very, very effective. and also related to that, I

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guess the scene as far, you know, leading up to

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that scene, when Doug. And I guess it's just. I

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think it's just really, you know, hats off to the

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actor who played Godolkin. the first.

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>> Sarah : Yes.

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>> Will: Yeah. Six episodes and then having a pivot. Yeah,

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yeah. Hyper, link letter I think his last name.

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But this hats off to him as far as the job he did.

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Not only portraying that character up to the

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reveal in episode seven, but then having to flip

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and do the dude Doug is. Which is a, completely

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360, you know, 180, you know, 180 degree

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difference from, you know, Godolkin. And, and so

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when he was lying there in bed and you know,

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explaining it as far as like walk, you know, why

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Godolkin wanted Marie and you know, and the fact

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that he just, you know, can't mind control her

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and. And explaining why that. That was the other.

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That was the effective pieces of it. So he was

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just, you know, I really hated that whatever. We

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did get the. We got the turn last week. I, I just

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like, damn. Because I really, really liked his

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portrayal of the character. And, and no. And, and.

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And I think. And I think the actor who, Ariana

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Grande's boyfriend, her husband, like plays the

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actual Dulcan. I think he was fine. But I think it

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was just the way the story, his character know,

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went as far as just like his motivations and

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everything else. It was just. It was just like,

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calling the herd and all these other things and,

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and, and it just like this really just fell flat

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as far as like whenever he was actually back and.

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>> Sarah : I think it's. It's This often happens, when we

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fall into these storylines of we've been dealing

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with this character for so long and suddenly, for

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one reason or another, they get almost recast and

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then you meet the true one. But you've gotten so

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used to a certain portrayal that it's hard. It is

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very hard. And I honestly can't off the top of my

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head think of any time when it's been pulled off

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because this does happen in shows, especially

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within this genre a lot. So. And if anybody can

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think any of any good examples, love to hear them.

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>> Will: Yeah, because I think the closest one to that

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point maybe it was like in the Flash, I will have

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to say with Oh gosh, Mark. Matt Lecter taking, on

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the role of Eobart Thawne, from with as the

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Reverse Flash. Because of course we know we had

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Tom Kavanaugh who just did a phenomenal job of

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that character. But then whenever he had the real

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face, I think that's probably the closest one. But

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where you did have a true. Yeah. Where you did

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have almost like a recast.

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>> Sarah : Maybe, maybe. But, But yeah, I. I agree. But I

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had. I had that feeling during last week's ending

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sequence too where I was just like, I'm not on

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board with this guy. Sage. Because you brought up

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polarity. And I actually wanted to expand upon

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that because you're right about that scene in the

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car with Doug. but that also leads into this

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conversation between Sage and Polarity. That

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honestly kind of raised some of the best

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questions, I think. I think most importantly that

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is why, to Will's point, viewers got left with a

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feeling of meh. Or. Or just kind of like an

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underwhelminess. Is the characters themselves,

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like the central characters. Marie, Jordan, Emma.

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it just doesn't seem like their character arcs are

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going somewhere. It was like all this point is to

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like make sure you guys know that you're a team

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and now you're gonna. Joe, join the Starlighters.

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It's just them as individuals. It was more about

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them coming together, but they were already

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together, which is kind of.

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>> Will: So.

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>> Sarah : Okay, whatever. So it. It just. It didn't. Oh.

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Very anti. Climactic. But, this conversation with

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Polarity and Sage, what I thought was so

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interesting before the very predictable. You knew

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exactly what was going to happen was just her

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questions to him about his son. Because she. She

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acknowledges. And I think this is the first time

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we've heard anything about Andre's mom.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And cancer. And it's like, I. I love the

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incompleteness of the way Sage will sometimes talk

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to people because it left. Leaves the viewers also

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wanting to fill in the blanks because then it's

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like, okay, did she get cancer and die before,

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before you guys injected Gen V into your son or.

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Which I think. I think is what she was getting at.

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And she's trying to pull together these pieces. I

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think his mom died because of cancer. And in an

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effort to prevent his son from getting like sick

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or anything, he. He's like, we're gonna inject him

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with Gen V. Yeah. And then ultimately that causes

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him to develop a similar. Similar sickness to his

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father. So that allows that one scene allows us to

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continue Polarity's development through an

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additional season and still like Andre's memory

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and just the consequences of having a character

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who's an adult in this world who also understands

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like the treatment of these children from like

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both sides of it now especially. Which I think is

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very critical. and I am on the. I do. From what I

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understand, there's still Eric Kripty, the

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showrunner has Gone on season ah, three is up in

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the air potentially. which I, I'm, I, I, I need

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there to be a season three, because I think that

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this world in this show can stand alone. And I

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know know that that get all gets into like

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Homelander is gonna be defeated in season five of

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the Boys. So what does this world look like

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without Homelander? And I think that actually

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would be a very interesting thing to explore.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : but because it's also just this idea. You, you

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have gone through seasons arguably developing and

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really making it clear how powerful this single

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individual is once he is removed from the

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chessboard. What does that mean? Yeah, like, like

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that. It's that whole theory that gets played off

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out time and time again. Like, like that, that

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vacuum of chaos and that vacuum of like, so, well,

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somebody else has to rise above, like, and, and

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over the last five seasons of Boys and two season

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of Gen V, we've met a lot of.

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>> Will: Yeah, we have. We definitely have.

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>> Sarah : So I don't, I, I think there's, there's, there is

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you, you can definitely introduce now that person

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can't be as powerful as, Homelander or, or Marie.

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and. Because then we get into silliness. But I

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honestly don't think that this world is about

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who's powerful and who's not.

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>> Will: It's about Vaught.

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>> Sarah : Yes, it's about Vought, because you, we have,

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Giancarlo Esposito hanging out at. Looming.

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Looming. So, so there, there is more story to tell

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is all I'm saying. Especially with these

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characters.

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>> Will: Yeah. And I think I'm glad you brought up Sage

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because, you know, she, you know, whenever she was

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linked, you know, this is twice now where she has

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like, hitched her wagon to, to someone and, and

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had a grand plan laid out. All the person that she

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needed, all they needed to do that she hitched her

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wagon to was just follow her instructions because

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she has time. You know, she'd shown how

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intelligent she is. I mean, as far as just, you

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know, plotting and stuff, you know, emotional

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intelligence and like, you know, you know, that

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needs to be something to be, you know, desired

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because, you know, clearly she, she has a knack

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for picking people who are like, who, whose egos

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and stuff. Getting away. Homelander and now

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Godolkin. But, you know, she was, you know,

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because, you know, we, we learned earlier in the

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season that, you know, she, you know, she did

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have, you know, she did, you know, she's now the,

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the head of the company. But now that given that

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Stan is back and you know, and since Newman was

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able to free him at the end of season, at the end

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of the, season four of the boys, and we of course

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see him back now and he's plotting his. His way to

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get back to the. Be the head of the company. I

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think to your point, you're right. There are a

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bunch of out there who can, who can be the muscle

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for Vought.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: Is. Stands is going, you know, you know, keep, you

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know, move to your point. There's more story to be

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told and how Vaught will, you know, at the end of

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the day continue their corporate reign over, over

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the politics. The politics, the media, the economy

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of the world of the boys. There's plenty of,

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there's like, there's plenty of story there to be

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told.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, just, And it's, it's also like Vaught

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controlled by Homelander is, is very different

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than the Vought we were first introduced to

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because at first I forget her name, but, she was

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in control. And then we get introduced into.

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>> Will: Oh, Stillwell.

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>> Sarah : Still Stillwell, sure.

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>> Will: Yeah. I think. Yeah. Madeline Stillwell.

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>> Sarah : Madeline Stillwell. The, the. The original mama.

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we like, like humans is what I'm getting at. So.

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Because, because at the end of the day, that's

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where I feel like these last two seasons, I mean

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if you, if you take away the last two episodes and

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just focus on the setup of this season, that, when

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they explore that, like when we, when we were

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introduced to the human coffee worker on campus.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And the vulnerability and the fearfulness, we

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never followed up on that. Which, Which I think is

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a missed opportunity. And to your point, it

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highlight this finale in particular highlighted a

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lot of undercooking like they, they set up some

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things that could have been expanded. Expanded

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upon more. More shown. because. Because you have

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those two sides of like those with power and those

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without power and, and that creates a lot of

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dramatic tensions. So. And just as an isolated on

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this campus versus what the boys themselves are

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dealing with, which is like United States in

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general, if not the world. So.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And there are the spin

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offs because we do have the, the. The Boys Mexico

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show that will be, that's in production now. so.

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And if, you know, and like you said, Eric Ripkey,

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if the, if I think he said, if people do turn out

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and, and really and the numbers justify Amazon

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green lighting a third season, you know, we'll get

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that. And of course there's also the prequel

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series, that this going to be Focusing on soldier

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boy. So.

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>> Sarah : Which people will just turn out for that because

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of Jensen Ackles? Let's be honest.

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>> Will: Exactly.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. That's really why people would turn out

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because I honestly, I'm not. Then again, I wasn't

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gung ho about Gen V until I saw it. Saw the first

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season in particular. But I also. Prequels are

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hard to do. They're very hard to do. Right. Go

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back and re watch season two of House of Dragon.

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Okay, we got some, we got some work to do on how

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we do prequels, people. Because that's a lot of

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telling. Showing us things that you already told

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us about. so I, you know, before we move into

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severance, I think one of my. One thing that I

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want to talk about that I was thinking about as it

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relates to this finale and also just a season two

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structure or a season structure overall, is what

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do you think is more important or what gets you?

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is it the setup of the conflict or is it the

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resolution? Because we, we've spent a lot of time,

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we already hinted at this talking about seasons

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two as well as like the third acts in television

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shows or the finales and how they, they just seem

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to be of. Well, especially in this genre, a lot of

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okay, and then they fight and then we get a setup

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for the next season or we get like a little tease

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as to what's gonna happen. And so you, you're

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going into it, you kind of already know what to

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expect. So it just makes me think then, then

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sometime, then more often than not. I think this

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setup for the resol. For the resolution almost has

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to be like 10 times more gripping. And that way if

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it resolves kind of like to this episode did. It's

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like, okay, well, you still had me.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : But I don't know.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. I mean as far as the setup, I

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completely agree. I mean you know, because I think

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like, I think the setup. Because we know we have

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great setup with you know, with Marie's story,

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with Godolkin. You know, we have these other

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supporting characters, you know, get introduced

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throughout and I, I will say that the season did

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this season overall, I, I like, I like the, the

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season overall. I will say that because it was set

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up very, very well. Did do something that I think

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Marvel shows in particular could learn something

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from. It told its own story.

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>> Will: Yeah. It was nice to have the, the appearances of

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people from the boys. But you know, and you know,

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and, and, and of course that you know, and for,

483
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for folks like us Who've watched both series.

484
00:28:41,389 --> 00:28:44,149
Yeah. It definitely added to the story and because

485
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:45,949
you, you know, you didn't have to have, you know,

486
00:28:47,159 --> 00:28:49,639
we knew what. What their presence meant.

487
00:28:50,039 --> 00:28:50,439
>> Sarah : Right.

488
00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:54,559
>> Will: But. But I think where the. Where they have

489
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:58,319
succeeded with the boys and Gen V and I. And I can

490
00:28:58,319 --> 00:29:02,079
only, you know, assume that the trend will

491
00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:06,299
continue with the prequel series and, and Gen V M

492
00:29:06,299 --> 00:29:10,399
and the boys, Mexico, they have done a solid.

493
00:29:10,399 --> 00:29:12,319
They've learned a lesson of being able to, like,

494
00:29:12,319 --> 00:29:13,839
let these shows stand on their own.

495
00:29:14,809 --> 00:29:15,209
>> Sarah : Yeah.

496
00:29:15,849 --> 00:29:21,609
>> Will: So I will forgive them for a finale for this. This

497
00:29:21,609 --> 00:29:24,709
show. but I will give them a demerit because I do

498
00:29:24,709 --> 00:29:26,749
think that the merit. The demerit I will give them

499
00:29:26,749 --> 00:29:28,989
is they did fall into the Marvel trap of. With

500
00:29:28,989 --> 00:29:32,429
that. With. With having Starlight and A train show

501
00:29:32,429 --> 00:29:37,349
up at the end. Okay. You're falling into the

502
00:29:37,349 --> 00:29:38,149
Marvel trap.

503
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:41,409
>> Sarah : But know, I like the A Trains, showing up more

504
00:29:41,409 --> 00:29:43,529
than I like, Starlight showing.

505
00:29:43,529 --> 00:29:45,609
>> Will: I did too. I did too. Actually. I kind of cringe

506
00:29:45,609 --> 00:29:47,169
when Starlight show. Really.

507
00:29:47,489 --> 00:29:47,969
>> Sarah : Yeah.

508
00:29:47,969 --> 00:29:49,689
>> Will: But when they trained this show up, I was like,

509
00:29:49,689 --> 00:29:52,169
cuz. Cuz, you know, that, you know, so that. That

510
00:29:52,169 --> 00:29:54,919
was sort of the reward for, us folks who have

511
00:29:54,919 --> 00:29:57,559
watched both shows because whenever we, you know,

512
00:29:57,559 --> 00:30:00,119
when we last left a train, he was. He was like,

513
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:03,519
off. You know, Vought had come up with some cover

514
00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:06,269
story about, you know, where he was and. And all

515
00:30:06,269 --> 00:30:08,629
that kind of stuff. So. So that was a nice little

516
00:30:08,629 --> 00:30:11,149
payoff for that to help us set up for, like. Okay,

517
00:30:11,149 --> 00:30:13,229
yeah, so here's what Adrian really's been up to.

518
00:30:13,229 --> 00:30:15,829
He's part of the resistance now. So that was a

519
00:30:15,829 --> 00:30:18,509
nice payoff for. For us, you know, for us folks

520
00:30:18,509 --> 00:30:22,959
who've watched both. But. But I. But, But I agree

521
00:30:22,959 --> 00:30:25,759
with you that the setup is very. The setup and

522
00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:28,319
the. And also, not only the setup, but also the

523
00:30:28,319 --> 00:30:31,799
journey, because it was a. It was a solid journey.

524
00:30:32,679 --> 00:30:32,999
Yeah.

525
00:30:33,159 --> 00:30:34,199
>> Sarah : Yeah, exactly.

526
00:30:34,439 --> 00:30:36,879
>> Will: Yeah, exactly. I'm not gonna sit here and like,

527
00:30:36,879 --> 00:30:39,879
you know, and on here at the end and say, oh, this

528
00:30:39,879 --> 00:30:42,159
whole season sucked because I just. I just did the

529
00:30:42,159 --> 00:30:43,319
finale left me wanting.

530
00:30:43,789 --> 00:30:44,709
>> Sarah : right. Right.

531
00:30:44,709 --> 00:30:45,229
>> Will: Yeah.

532
00:30:45,629 --> 00:30:49,109
>> Sarah : Right. Because I think that you can. I think if

533
00:30:49,109 --> 00:30:52,589
this shows anything, you can have some. A weakness

534
00:30:52,589 --> 00:30:59,239
in that third act or that. That finale. But if

535
00:30:59,479 --> 00:31:01,969
leading up, to it, I mean, you're. You're talking

536
00:31:01,969 --> 00:31:07,369
about one hour versus seven hours. So if you have

537
00:31:07,369 --> 00:31:11,129
consistency there, it's when there's unevenness,

538
00:31:11,929 --> 00:31:18,049
and that's where it's kind of like, okay, okay. I.

539
00:31:18,049 --> 00:31:22,169
I don't like this, it's, it's when it's more like

540
00:31:22,739 --> 00:31:25,649
every other episode, you sort of feel meh, about.

541
00:31:25,729 --> 00:31:27,849
That's when you're kind of like, okay, this

542
00:31:27,849 --> 00:31:32,649
overall season is meh. So. Well, that was our

543
00:31:32,649 --> 00:31:36,819
thoughts on, season two of Gen V. Fingers crossed

544
00:31:36,819 --> 00:31:39,059
we get a season three. But we will definitely be

545
00:31:39,059 --> 00:31:42,659
seeing these faces in season five of the Boys.

546
00:31:44,189 --> 00:31:48,109
moving on to severance season two, episode two.

547
00:31:48,109 --> 00:31:51,879
Goodbye, Mrs. Sell. Vig. Audi. Mark contemplates

548
00:31:51,879 --> 00:31:54,639
the meaning of a message. Lumen grapples with the

549
00:31:54,639 --> 00:31:59,839
fallout of the overtime contingency. And so as I

550
00:31:59,839 --> 00:32:02,079
like to say, this is our Audi episode.

551
00:32:04,959 --> 00:32:08,429
>> Will: Audi episode. We got a whole new, we got a whole

552
00:32:08,429 --> 00:32:11,909
new opening credits with the with this episode as

553
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:15,389
well. which I don't know if you, I don't know if

554
00:32:15,389 --> 00:32:17,949
you, if you skipped the intro or not, but I, I did

555
00:32:17,949 --> 00:32:20,549
watch it and I was just like, oh, wow, this, it

556
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:22,819
was just even more haunting than the, than the

557
00:32:22,819 --> 00:32:24,579
first one for me.

558
00:32:24,579 --> 00:32:27,419
>> Sarah : I, I did skip the credits.

559
00:32:28,139 --> 00:32:32,059
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whenever you watch episode

560
00:32:32,059 --> 00:32:35,849
three, this just I, I suggest you, you, you just,

561
00:32:35,849 --> 00:32:38,729
just watch it one time. And, and, and because it

562
00:32:38,729 --> 00:32:41,329
had a lot of, just good, a lot of little

563
00:32:41,569 --> 00:32:43,729
foreshadowing I think, as far as some of the

564
00:32:43,729 --> 00:32:45,169
things that we're going to be seeing this season.

565
00:32:45,649 --> 00:32:50,079
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, I, I have no doubt that it does, have

566
00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:54,959
some foreshadowing. And so this episode we're

567
00:32:54,959 --> 00:33:01,749
gonna go straight into Helena. Okay. Fetid moppet.

568
00:33:05,429 --> 00:33:06,799
>> Will: You said it right. Yep.

569
00:33:07,749 --> 00:33:13,529
>> Sarah : Helena is, it's pretty interesting. so this

570
00:33:13,529 --> 00:33:18,209
episode we get essentially what happens in the

571
00:33:18,209 --> 00:33:22,209
outside world because last episode we got what

572
00:33:22,209 --> 00:33:26,289
happened after the events of season one from the

573
00:33:26,289 --> 00:33:29,889
any perspective. So now we get the Audi

574
00:33:29,889 --> 00:33:33,259
perspective. I was not expecting it that early,

575
00:33:33,259 --> 00:33:37,569
but I'm very much glad we did it this early. no,

576
00:33:37,569 --> 00:33:41,049
no speculation. No way. Because honestly, these

577
00:33:41,049 --> 00:33:44,009
two episodes, if you were to tell me Apple TV

578
00:33:44,009 --> 00:33:46,769
released them both on the same day, like as a

579
00:33:46,769 --> 00:33:48,569
season premiere, that would make a lot of sense to

580
00:33:48,569 --> 00:33:53,649
me because it truly feels like two halves of a

581
00:33:53,649 --> 00:33:57,929
premiere season. Because in Severance world, we're

582
00:33:57,929 --> 00:33:59,729
technically watching two shows.

583
00:34:00,209 --> 00:34:01,119
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

584
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:05,429
>> Sarah : Watching the Audi world versus any world. And and

585
00:34:05,429 --> 00:34:08,189
I'm just gonna get right into it with Helena

586
00:34:08,189 --> 00:34:14,629
because now based on the final sequence, we

587
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:17,829
realize that we almost have to go back and re.

588
00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:21,869
Watch the first episode of season two because the

589
00:34:21,949 --> 00:34:25,549
heli quote unquote that we were shown is actually

590
00:34:25,549 --> 00:34:26,269
Helena.

591
00:34:26,909 --> 00:34:27,949
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

592
00:34:28,909 --> 00:34:33,789
>> Sarah : So, so when, when that happened. Will, what were

593
00:34:33,789 --> 00:34:38,819
your thoughts about that? That, twist that they

594
00:34:38,819 --> 00:34:39,539
threw in there?

595
00:34:40,259 --> 00:34:45,149
>> Will: Yeah, that was, So they, you know, again, just,

596
00:34:45,149 --> 00:34:49,389
you know, we talk about the. The setup and. And

597
00:34:49,389 --> 00:34:51,349
the journey. So now we're still. We're starting to

598
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:53,599
get into the journey a little bit as far as. With

599
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:57,999
what's happening in season two. And whenever, you

600
00:34:57,999 --> 00:35:00,159
know, whenever they, you know. Because I think. I

601
00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:02,479
think I'll go back a little bit. Not only from

602
00:35:02,479 --> 00:35:05,399
the. Whenever she was in the. In the break in the

603
00:35:05,399 --> 00:35:08,669
locker room there, you know. Getting things. It

604
00:35:08,669 --> 00:35:11,629
was le. Going back just to like whenever she was

605
00:35:11,629 --> 00:35:12,669
watching the video.

606
00:35:12,909 --> 00:35:14,509
>> Sarah : Yes. Yes.

607
00:35:14,509 --> 00:35:17,679
>> Will: Her of, H and Mark.

608
00:35:18,229 --> 00:35:22,149
>> Will: And that's when I was just like, oh, oh, boy.

609
00:35:23,429 --> 00:35:25,069
Because, you know, of course, earlier in the

610
00:35:25,069 --> 00:35:27,349
episode, you know, they were laying the groundwork

611
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:30,229
as far as her sending Seth out to, you know.

612
00:35:30,229 --> 00:35:30,549
>> Sarah : Right.

613
00:35:30,629 --> 00:35:32,789
>> Will: Trying all the Audis, which.

614
00:35:32,789 --> 00:35:33,669
>> Sarah : We'll get to that.

615
00:35:33,909 --> 00:35:36,869
>> Will: Yeah, we'll get to that. But when. And then, of

616
00:35:36,869 --> 00:35:40,149
course there's the. The, conversation she has

617
00:35:40,149 --> 00:35:43,849
with, With. With Harmony. But then whenever she.

618
00:35:43,849 --> 00:35:46,769
But the thing that really just drove me that I

619
00:35:46,769 --> 00:35:49,009
suspected it, especially like when we talked about

620
00:35:49,009 --> 00:35:50,969
last. Just follow the follow up on our

621
00:35:50,969 --> 00:35:53,209
conversation of last week. Whenever she was

622
00:35:53,209 --> 00:35:56,649
reunited with the Ennis and how off she seemed.

623
00:35:56,729 --> 00:35:59,249
And then we saw that. When I saw her watching the

624
00:35:59,249 --> 00:36:03,209
video and like studying it and. And I was just

625
00:36:03,209 --> 00:36:07,729
like, oh, yeah. So whenever that. Whenever she did

626
00:36:07,729 --> 00:36:10,909
go to show up in the. Walk off the elevator and

627
00:36:10,909 --> 00:36:12,829
stuff, I was like, no, that. That. That's Helena.

628
00:36:12,829 --> 00:36:17,229
That's not Hilly. Especially how. Especially how,

629
00:36:17,229 --> 00:36:20,619
like, help. you know, especially how determined

630
00:36:20,699 --> 00:36:25,539
she is is to like, you know, understand, you know,

631
00:36:25,539 --> 00:36:28,339
one. We. We see more what, you know, we also, I

632
00:36:28,339 --> 00:36:30,899
think got some sense of like, why Mark is so

633
00:36:30,899 --> 00:36:33,259
important in. In this story overall, which I've

634
00:36:33,259 --> 00:36:34,899
been kind of like, wondering what, you know, what

635
00:36:34,899 --> 00:36:38,509
is so special about him. and I know one piece of.

636
00:36:38,509 --> 00:36:39,229
Yeah, but.

637
00:36:39,309 --> 00:36:44,609
>> Sarah : Okay, but before we get into Mark, Helly, you said

638
00:36:44,609 --> 00:36:49,749
something and I wanted to tack on to it. so what

639
00:36:49,749 --> 00:36:54,019
do you think she wants? like. Like, do you think

640
00:36:54,019 --> 00:36:58,299
it was her choice to go in or was she. Was it a

641
00:36:58,299 --> 00:37:01,939
mandate for her to return? But not necessarily as

642
00:37:01,939 --> 00:37:07,659
how heli. Like to return as Helena and just pose

643
00:37:07,659 --> 00:37:09,939
as heli. Like from. From the board.

644
00:37:10,659 --> 00:37:15,459
>> Will: I think given, you know, given that. Given that

645
00:37:15,459 --> 00:37:19,699
how independent heli is and how Helly wants to

646
00:37:19,699 --> 00:37:22,939
bring the whole thing down. And then, you know,

647
00:37:22,939 --> 00:37:26,539
she, you know, because of what transpired her dad

648
00:37:26,539 --> 00:37:28,619
calling her fed up moped, which I guess it's like

649
00:37:28,619 --> 00:37:31,519
smelly child, you know, and seeing all the things

650
00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:34,229
that she was doing throughout the episode, trying,

651
00:37:34,229 --> 00:37:37,509
you know, trying to reassert control of. Of this.

652
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:41,229
Of. Of. Of the severed floor and, And, And. And

653
00:37:41,229 --> 00:37:45,589
the ultimate goal of whatever Cold harbor is. I, I

654
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:50,149
think she. She wanted to. There's a couple things,

655
00:37:50,149 --> 00:37:52,109
I think. One, she wanted to insert herself just to

656
00:37:52,109 --> 00:37:54,589
like, make sure she stays on top of like, making

657
00:37:54,589 --> 00:37:57,439
sure whatever the end goal is with this. With.

658
00:37:57,439 --> 00:37:59,759
With what's going on on the se. Floor happens.

659
00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:03,919
Two, I think she just. She needed to like. Because

660
00:38:05,279 --> 00:38:09,999
given that the heli. Any tried to kill herself,

661
00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:14,509
and, you know, in the prior season, I, you know,

662
00:38:14,509 --> 00:38:17,149
and, and, and. And not, you know, that was the,

663
00:38:17,149 --> 00:38:18,789
the most extreme part of it. But then there was

664
00:38:18,789 --> 00:38:21,469
this other elements where Hel was trying to, like,

665
00:38:21,709 --> 00:38:24,569
you know, resign and get out of the company and

666
00:38:24,569 --> 00:38:25,889
stuff. She just.

667
00:38:25,969 --> 00:38:28,049
>> Sarah : So you think it was Helena's choice?

668
00:38:28,929 --> 00:38:31,249
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Long and short. Yeah. Long or short of

669
00:38:31,249 --> 00:38:33,329
it. Yeah. Thanks for cutting me. Yeah, yeah,

670
00:38:33,329 --> 00:38:36,249
that's. That's my thing. I think she was. It was

671
00:38:36,249 --> 00:38:39,969
her choice to go into the. Any world, masquerade

672
00:38:39,969 --> 00:38:42,289
as Hel in the. With the other Innies, to like, to,

673
00:38:42,289 --> 00:38:44,569
To. To make sure that whatever their plans are,

674
00:38:44,569 --> 00:38:45,969
goes off unhitched.

675
00:38:48,129 --> 00:38:54,529
>> Sarah : The only thing that, like, I would agree. Well, is

676
00:38:54,609 --> 00:38:59,889
I think she's fascinating because they're. They.

677
00:38:59,889 --> 00:39:03,209
They're walking a line, a tightrope with her in

678
00:39:03,209 --> 00:39:07,209
the sense that on one side, yeah, she. She's

679
00:39:07,209 --> 00:39:11,049
trying to meet her father's expectations. And

680
00:39:11,049 --> 00:39:15,009
she's still that child who's definitely controlled

681
00:39:15,009 --> 00:39:18,849
by her father. But simultaneously, I mean, she's

682
00:39:18,849 --> 00:39:24,809
rewatching not. Not just any clip of Hel. She's

683
00:39:24,809 --> 00:39:28,089
watching the clip where there's affection and

684
00:39:28,089 --> 00:39:31,329
there's romance and there's touch and there's

685
00:39:31,329 --> 00:39:33,889
feeling and there's something that she's deeply

686
00:39:33,889 --> 00:39:36,529
deprived of in the outer world.

687
00:39:37,009 --> 00:39:37,489
>> Will: Yeah.

688
00:39:37,489 --> 00:39:41,169
>> Sarah : But at the same time, all of those motivations for

689
00:39:41,169 --> 00:39:48,219
her to have chosen, it's right after this whole

690
00:39:48,219 --> 00:39:53,459
thing transpires with the Innies. I can't imagine,

691
00:39:53,499 --> 00:39:58,299
nobody on the board or otherwise isn't going to

692
00:39:58,299 --> 00:40:03,529
just allow Helena, to like, outmaneuver them and

693
00:40:03,609 --> 00:40:07,009
sneak her way into the in world. I mean, they've

694
00:40:07,009 --> 00:40:11,189
seen the tapes too, so I think. I think that.

695
00:40:13,669 --> 00:40:17,709
Which is another thing. What? And, and you can

696
00:40:17,709 --> 00:40:19,989
correct me if I'm not wrong, because you've seen

697
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:23,429
season one more recently. This is the first time

698
00:40:23,429 --> 00:40:26,869
that we've seen Helena look at any of the tapes.

699
00:40:26,949 --> 00:40:27,349
Right?

700
00:40:29,419 --> 00:40:31,419
>> Will: yeah. So, yeah, because that's right it is.

701
00:40:31,419 --> 00:40:36,109
Because Heli saw Helena say, nope, you can't quit

702
00:40:36,109 --> 00:40:37,799
essentially, first season.

703
00:40:38,279 --> 00:40:44,479
>> Sarah : So, so then, then it makes me wonder did, did the

704
00:40:44,479 --> 00:40:48,558
board perfect, like choose like hey, you're gonna

705
00:40:48,558 --> 00:40:51,559
have to watch this because the, it's, it's the

706
00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:55,399
board who's now facing these demands from Mark,

707
00:40:55,799 --> 00:40:59,619
who's like, I will only do this if you get me my

708
00:40:59,619 --> 00:41:03,659
team. And that includes Heliar. So I, I think, I

709
00:41:03,659 --> 00:41:05,779
think the writing is really good because

710
00:41:06,099 --> 00:41:11,379
everything you said is true. But I also think that

711
00:41:11,619 --> 00:41:14,858
they've created a world where those

712
00:41:14,858 --> 00:41:18,069
vulnerabilities and those motivations are being

713
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:22,589
manipulated and controlled too by a overpowering

714
00:41:22,669 --> 00:41:26,979
entity who's, who's, who's also gonna be like,

715
00:41:26,979 --> 00:41:30,859
yeah, yeah, go. We'll look this way while you go

716
00:41:30,859 --> 00:41:33,819
run off and try to see what it's like to see if

717
00:41:33,819 --> 00:41:37,679
you can get Marcus to fall in love with you and

718
00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:38,519
not helly.

719
00:41:38,999 --> 00:41:39,399
>> Will: Yeah.

720
00:41:39,399 --> 00:41:44,919
>> Sarah : You know, like so, so I, I, I really think it was

721
00:41:44,919 --> 00:41:49,079
a smart and clever, clever thing to put in there

722
00:41:49,519 --> 00:41:52,599
to make the whole situation that much more

723
00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:56,079
complicated. Especially now is the perfect time to

724
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:59,839
talk about Marques, given not only the importance

725
00:41:59,839 --> 00:42:03,219
of Mark S, which yes, he's important, but I think

726
00:42:03,219 --> 00:42:06,779
the big takeaway for me is he's never going to be

727
00:42:06,779 --> 00:42:11,739
as important as his wife because I think that

728
00:42:11,739 --> 00:42:19,589
there is still a, A, his importance is very much

729
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:26,709
tethered to what, what all happened with his wife

730
00:42:27,029 --> 00:42:30,389
both on the outer world and then the innie world.

731
00:42:30,869 --> 00:42:36,629
Because Ms. Casey and Gemma, there's a connection

732
00:42:36,629 --> 00:42:40,799
and we know that she, she was, is someone involved

733
00:42:40,799 --> 00:42:45,319
in Cold water too. So, so Cold Water, like those

734
00:42:45,479 --> 00:42:50,829
two, it's, it's very connected. and, and I, I

735
00:42:50,829 --> 00:42:53,659
think that very much like what we just talk, got

736
00:42:53,659 --> 00:42:56,379
done talking about with Helena and that personal

737
00:42:56,539 --> 00:43:02,019
motivation. Well, we see how the negotiations so

738
00:43:02,019 --> 00:43:06,949
to speak, really went down with Mark. And and Seth

739
00:43:06,949 --> 00:43:13,349
was basically like Iran has found love down there.

740
00:43:14,149 --> 00:43:21,789
Oh my God. Because, you know, like that is the

741
00:43:21,789 --> 00:43:25,269
smartest thing for him to have said in that moment

742
00:43:25,269 --> 00:43:29,839
with this, with this guy who's clearly like, okay,

743
00:43:29,919 --> 00:43:34,559
something is not right. And now I'm even being

744
00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:39,439
more haunted by my wife and, and now also by my

745
00:43:39,439 --> 00:43:45,119
neighbor. So something is not right here. But this

746
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:50,559
idea that the thing that I'm craving the most, my

747
00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:54,959
innie has found and potentially that could work

748
00:43:54,959 --> 00:43:58,679
its way like, like, like that, that, that is also

749
00:43:58,839 --> 00:44:00,919
really spart writing as well.

750
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:05,519
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, with. With

751
00:44:05,519 --> 00:44:10,979
Mark. Yeah. I think another thing, too with m.

752
00:44:11,279 --> 00:44:16,319
With Mark and. And in particular when he is in ah,

753
00:44:16,319 --> 00:44:19,439
Audi mode. Because you know, we, you know, because

754
00:44:19,439 --> 00:44:22,459
I love the way the episode again, because it's

755
00:44:22,459 --> 00:44:24,739
funny, whenever it started I was like, did I hit

756
00:44:24,739 --> 00:44:28,579
the wrong like right. The wrong episode. But we

757
00:44:28,579 --> 00:44:30,219
start back, you know, where, you know, where

758
00:44:30,219 --> 00:44:35,379
things left off with, with the Innies. Yeah. And.

759
00:44:35,379 --> 00:44:39,419
And but then I love how whenever, you know, Mark.

760
00:44:39,499 --> 00:44:42,299
The Audi Mark was. Was De. Was present.

761
00:44:42,899 --> 00:44:46,089
>> Will: And. And. And Devin, you know, you know, ask you

762
00:44:46,089 --> 00:44:48,579
know, questions, you know, you know that you. It's

763
00:44:48,579 --> 00:44:50,339
all, you know, whenever they have the, the

764
00:44:50,339 --> 00:44:52,859
interactions and you know, what's the name and

765
00:44:52,859 --> 00:44:57,569
that. And he says Persephone. And. And you know,

766
00:44:57,569 --> 00:45:00,769
it clearly, you know, to me a couple things like

767
00:45:00,769 --> 00:45:03,239
trigger there one. it seemed to me that that was

768
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,159
sort of like their code word for. For this whole

769
00:45:07,319 --> 00:45:09,759
thing because I mean obviously Persephone is like

770
00:45:09,759 --> 00:45:13,529
the queen of the underworld. so, so there's,

771
00:45:13,529 --> 00:45:15,849
there's that level to it. And especially we talked

772
00:45:15,849 --> 00:45:18,729
about this last week as far as just the dynamic as

773
00:45:18,729 --> 00:45:21,849
far as, you know, identity and who you are and you

774
00:45:21,849 --> 00:45:24,809
know, you know, in this, this whole philosophical

775
00:45:24,809 --> 00:45:27,409
thing as far as the severed world anyway, which

776
00:45:27,409 --> 00:45:30,489
will, you know, also. We also touch on that again

777
00:45:30,489 --> 00:45:35,119
with Dylan in this episode. so that, so there was

778
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:37,999
that aspect of it and then. But also, you know,

779
00:45:38,759 --> 00:45:41,599
the whole interaction with them and you know, when

780
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:43,279
they were trying to figure out about the Eleanor,

781
00:45:43,279 --> 00:45:49,239
the baby and, and you know, and so, you know, Mark

782
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,279
and. And Devin's husband, they were thinking they

783
00:45:52,279 --> 00:45:54,439
were, you know, she's alive. They were thinking

784
00:45:54,439 --> 00:45:56,919
they're, you know, talking about the baby. Whereas

785
00:45:56,919 --> 00:46:00,959
Devin was really, you know, I think really leaning

786
00:46:00,959 --> 00:46:04,359
into understanding there's something deeper here

787
00:46:04,359 --> 00:46:05,799
going on here and her. And her.

788
00:46:05,799 --> 00:46:05,999
>> Sarah : Right.

789
00:46:05,999 --> 00:46:08,729
>> Will: Suspicions and you know, and whenever they had the

790
00:46:08,729 --> 00:46:12,059
conversation at Pips, you know, there was just. In

791
00:46:12,059 --> 00:46:14,379
the, in the other. The board member was sitting in

792
00:46:14,379 --> 00:46:16,619
the room there, you know, overseeing

793
00:46:17,739 --> 00:46:20,299
eavesdropping. I mean it was just so many

794
00:46:20,299 --> 00:46:22,498
different levels where I think Devin's really the

795
00:46:22,498 --> 00:46:25,139
key here. You know, of course Marcus are, you

796
00:46:25,139 --> 00:46:26,859
know, starting to have the second thoughts about

797
00:46:26,859 --> 00:46:29,339
going, you know, resigning anyway and.

798
00:46:29,739 --> 00:46:32,419
>> Sarah : The devil and the angel on his shoulders. Like,

799
00:46:32,419 --> 00:46:37,539
yeah, his sister knows something like, Like I

800
00:46:37,539 --> 00:46:43,099
think that Mark knew. I don't, I don't. I think he

801
00:46:43,099 --> 00:46:47,939
was trying to make himself believe just like he

802
00:46:47,939 --> 00:46:50,059
was also trying to make his sister believe that?

803
00:46:50,139 --> 00:46:53,779
Yes. He said that because it was about finding the

804
00:46:53,779 --> 00:46:58,619
baby. It wasn't about his wife. Yet every time he.

805
00:46:58,619 --> 00:47:01,259
He, like, he looked down and saw he was holding

806
00:47:01,259 --> 00:47:08,299
that photo rushes back. But I also. The, The

807
00:47:08,459 --> 00:47:13,059
skepticism was still there, because when. To your

808
00:47:13,059 --> 00:47:15,219
point, when they're talking in fips, it's kind of

809
00:47:15,219 --> 00:47:19,819
like, I saw. I had to identify her body. I had to

810
00:47:19,819 --> 00:47:23,499
go, like. And then you're reliving not only grief,

811
00:47:23,579 --> 00:47:27,979
but the trauma of the. Whatever transpired, which.

812
00:47:28,429 --> 00:47:31,749
Which we don't know the circumstances in which

813
00:47:31,749 --> 00:47:33,149
Gemma died. Right.

814
00:47:33,389 --> 00:47:36,629
>> Will: No. Right. The only thing is that's. Well, the

815
00:47:36,629 --> 00:47:40,109
COVID The story is she was in a car accident, and.

816
00:47:40,589 --> 00:47:40,949
And.

817
00:47:40,949 --> 00:47:44,109
>> Sarah : Which apparently led to her body burn. Burning.

818
00:47:44,589 --> 00:47:45,069
>> Will: Yeah.

819
00:47:45,069 --> 00:47:51,469
>> Sarah : But. But that also leads to. Okay, well, is there

820
00:47:51,469 --> 00:47:58,299
technology for, How do you put this? Lumen

821
00:47:58,299 --> 00:48:02,859
technology to transfer her into the. Any world?

822
00:48:03,659 --> 00:48:06,179
Was she. And then another thing I was thinking

823
00:48:06,179 --> 00:48:09,538
about was, like, was she already severed before

824
00:48:09,538 --> 00:48:11,739
her accident? And we just don't know.

825
00:48:12,059 --> 00:48:14,659
>> Will: We don't know. Yeah, that's possible. I mean,

826
00:48:14,659 --> 00:48:16,419
especially given to your. To your first point,

827
00:48:16,419 --> 00:48:19,179
like, you know, is there Lumen technology that

828
00:48:19,179 --> 00:48:21,299
allows for that? We also saw, you know, thinking

829
00:48:21,299 --> 00:48:23,779
it back to the first season, too, within the. With

830
00:48:23,779 --> 00:48:26,809
the test. You know, the. The floor below the

831
00:48:26,809 --> 00:48:28,959
server floor with, where Bert was working with.

832
00:48:29,039 --> 00:48:31,119
With. With all the. With the goats.

833
00:48:31,439 --> 00:48:35,679
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yes. That is the one mystery from season

834
00:48:35,759 --> 00:48:39,159
one. I. I need resolution of by the end of the

835
00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:42,639
series. Okay. I need to understand the goats,

836
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,279
because that scene definitely has haunted me since

837
00:48:45,279 --> 00:48:48,239
watching season one three years ago, but continue.

838
00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:50,919
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, I just have, you know,

839
00:48:50,919 --> 00:48:52,799
so you think of the goats and you think, you know,

840
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:54,739
into our. You know, our quote, questions about

841
00:48:54,739 --> 00:48:57,699
Gemma and. And. And Lumen technology. I mean,

842
00:48:57,699 --> 00:48:59,499
already working on cloning, so, I mean, it's.

843
00:48:59,499 --> 00:49:05,179
Gemma. Is this a clone? So, I mean, it's just. So.

844
00:49:05,259 --> 00:49:07,819
Yeah. Yeah, there's a. Because, you know, clearly,

845
00:49:07,819 --> 00:49:11,139
this. This severed world is. Is some alternate

846
00:49:11,139 --> 00:49:14,939
reality. It's not, like, based off art, I think.

847
00:49:15,899 --> 00:49:18,219
So, you know, there's the technology that happen.

848
00:49:19,099 --> 00:49:21,579
Yeah, no, no, no. But the technologies and stuff.

849
00:49:21,579 --> 00:49:23,759
But, I guess where I'm going with it is just like,

850
00:49:23,759 --> 00:49:26,159
whenever. You know, whenever they go from, like,

851
00:49:26,159 --> 00:49:28,879
the. The main M. Floor to the severed floor and

852
00:49:28,879 --> 00:49:30,999
how they do the camera work to, like, you know,

853
00:49:30,999 --> 00:49:35,119
alter the. You know, the perception of you as the

854
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:38,759
viewer, like, going from, you know, Audi to any.

855
00:49:38,999 --> 00:49:41,519
Any to Audi. And they, you know, and they did the

856
00:49:41,519 --> 00:49:44,319
inverse of it in this episode with. With, you

857
00:49:44,319 --> 00:49:47,999
Know, any Mark pulling back out to Audi Mark in

858
00:49:47,999 --> 00:49:52,009
the. In the. In the real. In Mark's sister's

859
00:49:52,009 --> 00:49:54,529
house. I mean that, that there's just so, you

860
00:49:54,529 --> 00:49:56,449
know, there's so many levels of the technologies

861
00:49:56,449 --> 00:50:00,089
that are utilized here to. You know, so maybe the

862
00:50:00,089 --> 00:50:02,649
severed person, they do have like, you know. You

863
00:50:02,649 --> 00:50:04,329
know, we saw the little chip get put, you know,

864
00:50:04,329 --> 00:50:06,489
put into their head at the beginning of. You know,

865
00:50:06,489 --> 00:50:07,649
during the se. The first season.

866
00:50:08,289 --> 00:50:11,229
>> Will: With. With. With heli surgery. So Yeah, I mean

867
00:50:11,229 --> 00:50:14,029
it's just like any number of these. What we just

868
00:50:14,189 --> 00:50:16,629
put out there could be. Could. Could very well be

869
00:50:16,629 --> 00:50:20,149
true. Including having some d. You know, DNA of.

870
00:50:20,149 --> 00:50:23,789
Of. Of Gemma that they cloned and also replica,

871
00:50:23,789 --> 00:50:27,949
you know, you know, at least a Gemma aspect of her

872
00:50:27,949 --> 00:50:28,749
severed life.

873
00:50:29,199 --> 00:50:30,399
>> Sarah : Right. Right there.

874
00:50:30,399 --> 00:50:30,799
>> Will: Yeah.

875
00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:36,199
>> Sarah : Yeah, there's some. Some aspect managed to find

876
00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:40,129
itself in the any world. And that's the. One of

877
00:50:40,129 --> 00:50:43,569
the many mysteries in this world at the moment of

878
00:50:44,049 --> 00:50:46,609
how and why and when.

879
00:50:48,929 --> 00:50:51,089
>> Sarah : And what does it all mean? And how is that

880
00:50:51,169 --> 00:50:55,929
connected to cold water? And what does. What does

881
00:50:55,929 --> 00:50:58,819
finishing cold water even look like? Yeah, so.

882
00:50:59,379 --> 00:51:01,499
>> Will: Yeah, because, I mean. Yeah, because they made a

883
00:51:01,499 --> 00:51:03,539
point, you know, like with the season premiere

884
00:51:03,539 --> 00:51:06,319
showing Mark doing Cold Harbors, like you know,

885
00:51:06,319 --> 00:51:09,999
doing the coding and stuff and, and all. And you

886
00:51:09,999 --> 00:51:12,079
know, and the need to have this team. The team

887
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:17,929
back. so in order for him to continue his. His

888
00:51:18,249 --> 00:51:20,569
whatever, you know, his coding and. And also, you

889
00:51:20,569 --> 00:51:24,249
know, Mark, his Audi had. It seems in this episode

890
00:51:24,249 --> 00:51:28,889
too that there. There is. Even though they're like

891
00:51:29,469 --> 00:51:33,269
distinct. This distinct personalities as far as

892
00:51:33,269 --> 00:51:37,029
any, there seems to be. There seem to be hinting

893
00:51:37,029 --> 00:51:39,869
pretty strongly that there is some cross

894
00:51:39,869 --> 00:51:44,589
pollination with the Any and outy consciousness.

895
00:51:44,679 --> 00:51:49,299
on some level because there's aspects of parts of

896
00:51:49,699 --> 00:51:53,499
each. Each personality that sort of seeps into the

897
00:51:53,499 --> 00:51:53,779
other.

898
00:51:54,829 --> 00:51:59,949
>> Sarah : Yeah. I never thought that there is a stark

899
00:51:59,949 --> 00:52:05,789
contrast between any Audi. I always thought that

900
00:52:05,949 --> 00:52:13,389
the Any is shown through a very depressed lens or

901
00:52:13,389 --> 00:52:17,869
the Audi is in the sense that the Audi is dealing

902
00:52:17,949 --> 00:52:20,509
with trauma, grief.

903
00:52:21,149 --> 00:52:21,709
>> Will: Yeah.

904
00:52:21,949 --> 00:52:25,749
>> Sarah : Of pain of the world that has like really beaten

905
00:52:25,749 --> 00:52:32,149
down on the. These people while the innie. It's

906
00:52:32,149 --> 00:52:33,629
who they are without all that.

907
00:52:34,349 --> 00:52:34,909
>> Will: Yeah.

908
00:52:35,389 --> 00:52:40,379
>> Sarah : So, but. But at the same time the any feels their

909
00:52:40,379 --> 00:52:44,499
own suffocation because it's always like who am I

910
00:52:44,899 --> 00:52:50,019
out there and like I'm. I'm me, but who am I out

911
00:52:50,019 --> 00:52:54,339
there and what do I have? Because I, I don't have

912
00:52:54,339 --> 00:52:58,339
a lot here. So it's ah, it's. It's Almost like

913
00:52:58,339 --> 00:52:59,299
parent and child.

914
00:53:00,019 --> 00:53:00,499
>> Will: Yeah.

915
00:53:00,969 --> 00:53:03,369
>> Sarah : somewhat because you. You have. There's an

916
00:53:03,369 --> 00:53:07,489
innocence as an innie versus the understanding of

917
00:53:07,489 --> 00:53:11,359
the way the world works on the outside. but. And.

918
00:53:11,359 --> 00:53:15,399
And so then that we could go straight back into

919
00:53:15,399 --> 00:53:20,039
Helena and the Mark and the. The Pentagon. Love

920
00:53:20,439 --> 00:53:25,139
Pentagon thing going on. But, Dylan is a good

921
00:53:25,139 --> 00:53:29,339
example of this because the Dylan we know as an

922
00:53:29,339 --> 00:53:35,219
innie is very vibrant, fun, funny, and there's.

923
00:53:35,459 --> 00:53:39,439
There's an, enjoyment and then the world as an

924
00:53:39,439 --> 00:53:43,039
Audi. It's just. He's depressed. He has his

925
00:53:43,039 --> 00:53:47,319
family, but he's clearly checked out. And he's

926
00:53:47,319 --> 00:53:51,799
also like. I did appreciate the door scene.

927
00:53:52,359 --> 00:53:52,919
>> Will: Yeah.

928
00:53:53,319 --> 00:53:57,549
>> Sarah : The interview at the door Factory, which. Which is

929
00:53:57,549 --> 00:54:00,549
going well until it's not. And you knew. You knew

930
00:54:00,549 --> 00:54:03,059
like, at one point. Point there's gonna be a. A

931
00:54:03,059 --> 00:54:05,179
door He. He just shouldn't have gone through. And

932
00:54:05,179 --> 00:54:08,809
he did. He. He should not have done that. and he

933
00:54:08,809 --> 00:54:15,629
knew right away. And. But. But it's also a. It's

934
00:54:15,629 --> 00:54:19,269
also watching this episode after the season

935
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:25,349
premiere, it was funny because I kept thinking

936
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:30,329
about everything we were told, by Seth in the

937
00:54:30,329 --> 00:54:35,769
premiere about how. How. How the. The others were

938
00:54:35,769 --> 00:54:39,809
feeling. So when Seth first goes and starts firing

939
00:54:39,809 --> 00:54:44,689
Irving and Dylan, I'm like, oh, oh, okay, got it.

940
00:54:44,849 --> 00:54:45,569
I understand.

941
00:54:47,489 --> 00:54:48,609
>> Will: It wasn't five months.

942
00:54:49,649 --> 00:54:52,719
>> Sarah : They. They did, They were. They were not the ones

943
00:54:53,059 --> 00:54:56,219
say no, no. And it all. Because it almost felt

944
00:54:56,219 --> 00:55:01,139
like they. Because that you saw in both of their

945
00:55:01,139 --> 00:55:05,139
performances. They're. They're clearly like. But.

946
00:55:05,459 --> 00:55:09,649
But I. I need this. they. They clearly need that,

947
00:55:09,799 --> 00:55:13,079
which makes them so interesting. And it was really

948
00:55:13,079 --> 00:55:16,519
Mark who was more on the fence and not wanting to

949
00:55:16,519 --> 00:55:19,559
run back immediately and say, like, all is right

950
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:23,039
in the world. Let me just do this job again.

951
00:55:23,039 --> 00:55:26,709
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. yeah, yeah. Another funny thing about

952
00:55:26,709 --> 00:55:28,789
the Dylan scene too. Yeah, it definitely went

953
00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:30,629
wrong, but I just love this. The physical

954
00:55:30,629 --> 00:55:36,219
similarities between Dylan. Yeah, yeah. yeah,

955
00:55:36,219 --> 00:55:38,959
just. It was just, It was just. Just how all that,

956
00:55:38,959 --> 00:55:41,039
you know, just going through, like, you know,

957
00:55:41,039 --> 00:55:42,689
what's your favorite story? Yeah, it was like

958
00:55:42,849 --> 00:55:46,279
every bad. Every, like, cringe job interview we

959
00:55:46,279 --> 00:55:49,479
could have ever been on it. Like, we. We all can

960
00:55:49,479 --> 00:55:51,759
identify with this. The scene. Especially.

961
00:55:52,319 --> 00:55:56,039
Especially whenever, you know, the sad reality is

962
00:55:56,039 --> 00:55:58,239
whenever the interviewer was like, yeah, well, you

963
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,369
know, we'll take your. Your. Your. Your, Your

964
00:56:00,369 --> 00:56:02,689
application under advisement and. Or in a thorough

965
00:56:02,689 --> 00:56:04,769
review. And I was just like, yep, yeah, we know

966
00:56:04,769 --> 00:56:05,449
where that's going.

967
00:56:05,929 --> 00:56:11,609
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. Now I have not watched any of the

968
00:56:11,609 --> 00:56:15,689
Future episodes. And I. I definitely have not been

969
00:56:15,689 --> 00:56:21,009
soiled. Knock on me. But I will say. I will say

970
00:56:21,009 --> 00:56:25,489
one thing, and this is not a spoiler, but this is

971
00:56:25,489 --> 00:56:29,249
something that I do vaguely recall some of the

972
00:56:29,249 --> 00:56:32,409
things that I was hearing about season two of

973
00:56:32,409 --> 00:56:37,969
Severance when episode four aired. and all I. And

974
00:56:37,969 --> 00:56:40,889
all I have, really, my big takeaway is it's gonna

975
00:56:40,889 --> 00:56:45,929
be all about Irving. They are. I. I feel. And I

976
00:56:45,929 --> 00:56:47,729
don't know if you agree with this, but I feel

977
00:56:47,729 --> 00:56:51,449
these last two episodes, Irving is somewhat of,

978
00:56:51,449 --> 00:56:55,049
like, just in the background. He is. He is

979
00:56:55,129 --> 00:56:58,929
definitely. Dylan even had more scenes in this

980
00:56:58,929 --> 00:57:02,299
episode than he did. and. And I think there's a.

981
00:57:02,379 --> 00:57:05,779
There's a reason, and I think it. It's gonna lead

982
00:57:05,779 --> 00:57:10,619
into this big Irving. Big episode about him and

983
00:57:10,619 --> 00:57:14,419
his plight. Because in this episode, we are teased

984
00:57:14,419 --> 00:57:18,219
a little bit as he goes and tries to find Bert

985
00:57:18,219 --> 00:57:22,339
Goodman, but we also see Bert Goodman finding him

986
00:57:22,339 --> 00:57:29,549
in a way. So it. So I. So that's one of the

987
00:57:29,549 --> 00:57:32,469
reasons why I'm not, like, bringing him up a whole

988
00:57:32,469 --> 00:57:35,829
lot. But I do know his time is coming.

989
00:57:36,949 --> 00:57:39,999
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I. I agree with you. I think,

990
00:57:39,949 --> 00:57:42,869
they. They. They. They showed enough in this

991
00:57:42,869 --> 00:57:45,669
episode just to understand why he was need. You

992
00:57:45,669 --> 00:57:49,709
know, the one. Just. I think. I think the scenes

993
00:57:49,709 --> 00:57:53,029
with Dylan and Irving served a couple purposes.

994
00:57:53,029 --> 00:57:55,359
One was just basically to, like, you know, like

995
00:57:55,359 --> 00:57:58,239
you said earlier, be. Show the contrast between

996
00:57:58,239 --> 00:58:02,279
them and Mark. 2. I think it, you know, it blows

997
00:58:02,279 --> 00:58:08,019
up. the. The COVID story that Seth gave to Mark at

998
00:58:08,019 --> 00:58:10,339
the beginning of season two where he was like, oh,

999
00:58:10,339 --> 00:58:13,059
yeah, you know, that the whole overtime OTC

1000
00:58:13,139 --> 00:58:17,939
happened five months ago, you know, and, you know,

1001
00:58:17,939 --> 00:58:19,819
where we could really see that it's literally just

1002
00:58:19,819 --> 00:58:22,069
a matter of just a day or two after. After. After

1003
00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:24,849
that incident. so, yeah, so they, you know, so I

1004
00:58:24,849 --> 00:58:26,889
agree with you. There's definitely more to come.

1005
00:58:26,889 --> 00:58:30,169
So I. I'm. So. I'm just. I love this show so far,

1006
00:58:30,169 --> 00:58:33,409
and I'm just like. I'm just letting it come as.

1007
00:58:33,489 --> 00:58:36,129
As. As it all unfolds and not. Not pushing.

1008
00:58:36,349 --> 00:58:40,499
>> Sarah : yeah, yeah, no, no, me neither. But I am glad that

1009
00:58:40,499 --> 00:58:43,379
we're getting two episodes. We're getting. We're

1010
00:58:43,379 --> 00:58:45,419
able to watch two episodes this week instead of

1011
00:58:45,419 --> 00:58:45,699
one.

1012
00:58:46,099 --> 00:58:46,659
>> Will: Yep.

1013
00:58:48,069 --> 00:58:51,349
>> Sarah : larger chunks. More questions.

1014
00:58:51,989 --> 00:58:55,509
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. Any. Any thoughts about the cold

1015
00:58:55,669 --> 00:59:00,939
Cobal. big. Yeah, you know, that was what they did

1016
00:59:01,019 --> 00:59:05,389
that, Devin and, Sedgwick, like, Branded, this.

1017
00:59:06,429 --> 00:59:10,259
Harmony as far as, her. Her role there. And one

1018
00:59:10,259 --> 00:59:11,979
thing I just, You Know, you know, it was great,

1019
00:59:12,909 --> 00:59:17,759
you know, whenever. When Ms. Colby, Colby was

1020
00:59:17,759 --> 00:59:19,599
trying to get her job back with Atlanta, well,

1021
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:21,839
when she went back to get the apology with. From

1022
00:59:21,839 --> 00:59:24,239
Helena and all that kind of stuff, and, you know,

1023
00:59:24,239 --> 00:59:25,879
they offered her. You know, she wanted to go back

1024
00:59:25,879 --> 00:59:28,599
to the floor, and they were like, no, no, we got

1025
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:31,399
something better for you. She's. She's the wild

1026
00:59:31,399 --> 00:59:33,879
card in all of this because she knows where the

1027
00:59:33,879 --> 00:59:36,199
bodies are buried, literally, with this. With this

1028
00:59:36,199 --> 00:59:40,119
stuff. And she's like such a cure acolyte. I mean,

1029
00:59:40,119 --> 00:59:42,679
she had, like, this. The shrine in her. In her

1030
00:59:42,679 --> 00:59:46,159
house. And so I'm just. That's another character

1031
00:59:46,159 --> 00:59:48,439
where I'm just sort of like, where I'm just

1032
00:59:48,839 --> 00:59:52,119
letting things progress with. With her storyline

1033
00:59:52,119 --> 00:59:54,999
this season. But I will say that when Mark,

1034
00:59:55,219 --> 00:59:56,749
Whenever they had the little scene out there

1035
00:59:56,749 --> 00:59:59,339
outside her house, and then, you know, whenever

1036
00:59:59,659 --> 01:00:03,469
Mark's like, you know, asked about, do you know

1037
01:00:03,469 --> 01:00:04,469
something about Gemma?

1038
01:00:04,629 --> 01:00:04,949
>> Sarah : Right.

1039
01:00:04,949 --> 01:00:09,819
>> Will: And her. And her reaction to it, yeah, it was very

1040
01:00:09,819 --> 01:00:10,339
telling.

1041
01:00:10,339 --> 01:00:14,339
>> Sarah : So again, when you say it was very telling, what

1042
01:00:14,339 --> 01:00:14,859
do you mean?

1043
01:00:15,579 --> 01:00:19,489
>> Will: I think she, You know, again, I think she knows a

1044
01:00:19,489 --> 01:00:22,849
lot about what's going on in the company. So. And

1045
01:00:22,849 --> 01:00:24,889
so I just, like. I mean, I just. I think it was

1046
01:00:24,889 --> 01:00:27,499
just. For me, it was just like, oh, you know, to

1047
01:00:27,499 --> 01:00:30,209
our point, we were discussing, about, With our Gen

1048
01:00:30,209 --> 01:00:32,969
V discussion as far as just, you know, to set the

1049
01:00:32,969 --> 01:00:37,049
setup for. For. For a season and for a story. I

1050
01:00:37,049 --> 01:00:39,009
just like that. That was a good. That was just a

1051
01:00:39,009 --> 01:00:41,849
nice tea. Little. Little breadcrumb that we'll.

1052
01:00:41,849 --> 01:00:44,889
We'll get more information about as the season

1053
01:00:44,889 --> 01:00:45,569
progresses.

1054
01:00:46,049 --> 01:00:48,689
>> Sarah : Yeah, I. I think, though, that they've been doing

1055
01:00:48,689 --> 01:00:50,769
that since season one with her character.

1056
01:00:51,099 --> 01:00:52,059
>> Will: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.

1057
01:00:52,539 --> 01:00:56,059
>> Sarah : With all the creepiness and everything. My. My big

1058
01:00:56,059 --> 01:00:59,929
thing about Selvig in this episode is, the naming

1059
01:00:59,929 --> 01:01:03,009
of the first two episodes of the season. Hello,

1060
01:01:03,809 --> 01:01:08,809
hello, Mrs. Cobell or Ms. Cobell. And then this

1061
01:01:08,809 --> 01:01:14,769
episode is called Goodbye, Mrs. Selvig. So, hello,

1062
01:01:14,769 --> 01:01:20,169
Mrs. Cobell. You're basically. It's the new. It's

1063
01:01:20,169 --> 01:01:25,949
the new floor and it's the. It's Seth, being put

1064
01:01:25,949 --> 01:01:32,268
in charge, and it's trying to erase her from the.

1065
01:01:32,268 --> 01:01:35,949
Any world. And in the Audi world, it's very

1066
01:01:35,949 --> 01:01:40,549
similar where with Mrs. M. Selvig, it's about, oh,

1067
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:44,629
we're gonna promote you, not gonna get rid of you

1068
01:01:44,629 --> 01:01:47,109
because, you know, everything. We're gonna promote

1069
01:01:47,109 --> 01:01:50,029
you, which essentially is getting rid of her. But

1070
01:01:50,029 --> 01:01:53,389
you don't get to be floor manager anymore. instead

1071
01:01:53,389 --> 01:01:57,829
Seth does which I, I, I want a Seth episode

1072
01:01:57,829 --> 01:02:02,989
because he's, he, he, he's the same on any and

1073
01:02:02,989 --> 01:02:07,679
audi world. So what does that mean? Yeah, and, and

1074
01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:10,519
then he has to explain to me how he hired a child

1075
01:02:10,519 --> 01:02:12,799
in the in e floor. I just, I need to understand

1076
01:02:12,879 --> 01:02:15,839
that I have not forgotten about that explanation.

1077
01:02:16,319 --> 01:02:24,759
But yeah, I, with cell vig because, because of the

1078
01:02:24,759 --> 01:02:28,119
actress. Actress age and all of that, there's a

1079
01:02:28,119 --> 01:02:34,589
maternal thing happening with her. And, and I, I

1080
01:02:34,589 --> 01:02:39,829
don't know, it's the, I guess, I guess the long

1081
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:47,029
story short really with me it was more about her,

1082
01:02:47,509 --> 01:02:52,039
her being named after not, not one but both of

1083
01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:54,879
these episodes in particular as the way to start

1084
01:02:55,039 --> 01:02:55,679
the season.

1085
01:02:56,549 --> 01:02:59,189
>> Sarah : Because she, she is definitely to your point,

1086
01:02:59,189 --> 01:03:02,029
going to be a key to I don't think all the

1087
01:03:02,029 --> 01:03:04,709
mysteries, but I think to some of them.

1088
01:03:05,109 --> 01:03:05,489
>> Will: Yeah.

1089
01:03:06,169 --> 01:03:09,529
>> Sarah : because, because I think Seth is a key to other

1090
01:03:09,689 --> 01:03:15,949
mysteries. I think that the goats are key to my

1091
01:03:15,949 --> 01:03:16,909
big mystery.

1092
01:03:17,629 --> 01:03:18,189
>> Will: Yeah.

1093
01:03:19,869 --> 01:03:22,929
>> Sarah : And then, and then there, there's just, there's

1094
01:03:22,929 --> 01:03:27,509
the Gemma of it all. So Yeah, well again we're

1095
01:03:27,509 --> 01:03:32,159
gonna be going full speed next week with the next

1096
01:03:32,159 --> 01:03:36,519
two episodes. and please, please share your

1097
01:03:36,519 --> 01:03:39,119
thoughts. If you're following along with us or,

1098
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:42,159
and catching, catching, getting up to speed on

1099
01:03:42,159 --> 01:03:44,999
severance just like we are. and if you are up to

1100
01:03:44,999 --> 01:03:46,399
speed, do not ruin it.

1101
01:03:46,799 --> 01:03:49,759
>> Will: Please no smallers, no spoilers. We we this, we

1102
01:03:49,759 --> 01:03:52,599
are watching these week to week. So we'll be doing

1103
01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:55,479
two episodes next week and, and until we get to

1104
01:03:55,479 --> 01:03:58,159
the, and two per week until we get to the finale.

1105
01:03:58,159 --> 01:04:01,239
So please no spoilers. But so follow along with us

1106
01:04:01,239 --> 01:04:03,829
if you're just, just discovering the show like or

1107
01:04:04,259 --> 01:04:06,919
or, or delayed watching the second season like we

1108
01:04:06,919 --> 01:04:09,499
did. But but if you've already finished it, please

1109
01:04:09,499 --> 01:04:11,379
no spoilers and thank you.

1110
01:04:11,859 --> 01:04:13,599
>> Sarah : And on that note, Will, why don't you tell our

1111
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:15,079
listeners where they can find you?

1112
01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:17,619
>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at

1113
01:04:17,609 --> 01:04:20,909
willmpolk W I L L M M P O L.

1114
01:04:20,909 --> 01:04:24,509
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1120
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1122
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