Peacemaker 2x6 & Gen V 2x4 PLOT TWISTS That Change Everything

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>> Sarah : Foreign. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host,

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Sarah Belmont, and with me, as always, is our Mr.

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Producer, will Will Polk How are you doing

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tonight, Will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. How you doing this

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evening?

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>> Sarah : I'm not doing it again, so we're just gonna move

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forward. We're gonna, Move forward. See, I knew

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that was gonna happen the moment you're like, no,

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we'll just do it again. You'll be fine. I was

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like, oh, no, it's, it's there and it's just

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gonna, it's just gonna get worse.

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>> Will: No, no, no, it's not gonna get worse because we

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have three amazing episodes we have to talk about

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with our two shows with Peacemaker. We're back

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covering it again tonight and also Gen V. So it's,

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it's, it could only go up from here.

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>> Sarah : No, no, I don't mean that can get worse. I mean

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like the way I say the line. So if you were. Yeah,

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that's, that's what I meant. I wasn't talking

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about the show in general at all.

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>> Will: Okay, fair enough, fair enough.

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>> Sarah : But as you've already started our topics, so we

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will go into Peacemaker. Season two, Episode five,

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Back to the Suture. Red's ritual reveals Eagly's

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location while Flight confronts Peacemaker. As

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Peacemaker makes a life changing choice, Adebayo

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and Vigilante try to unite the 11th Street Street

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Kids. starts back, starts with flashback, Rick

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Flag Junior's funeral, with Harcourt and Rick

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Flake Senior. And she says to him, well, he says

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to her, he loved you as a friend along with

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whatever else, and that's different, and I'll look

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out for you the best I can. And then she in turn

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says, person who did this, they'll pay and I'll

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make sure of it. And so I continue to be just

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utterly confused about Harcourt. So it's just,

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it's just now that I'm thinking about that scene,

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I had forgotten about it because of everything

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that happens in episode six. I, I guess, I guess

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it was in the heat of the moment she said it. She

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didn't really mean it though, because obviously

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she hasn't done anything about the person who

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killed him. So.

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>> Will: Yeah, well, I mean, it was heated a moment and

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obviously, you know, clearly this was at the

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funeral. So it was. If you. Also in that scene, it

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was before she was, you know, she was just, just

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gotten assigned to the 11th. Well then become the

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11th street kid. Yeah, but, yeah, so. So at that

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point, I mean. Yeah, well, he, she meant it. But

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of course, as we all know from the events that

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transpired, you know, they, they became a, you

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know, with Project Butterfly and all that kind of

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stuff, they all became, you know, a unit and

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friends and, and so, yeah, so it all makes sense

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especially. It was also just good framing for

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things that like, happened later in the episode.

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As far as, you know, as Chris is on the way to

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like meet her at the park as we were wondering

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what would happen at, you know, when we talked

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about things, that with the episode four the prior

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week.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I didn't like the whole meetup sequence and

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everything. It just didn't work for me. I was

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like. And I was also very confused because I'm

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like, I'm pretty sure it was the middle of the

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night the last we saw him heading to the, the park

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and now it's daytime and so it was like, how much,

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how long did it take him to drive there? What is

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the distance? But that was just me, I was, I was

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dumbfounded by that. That was very distracting for

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me during that whole sequel.

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>> Will: Oh, I mean, I know, well, you know, he'd gone to

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his grandfather's, cabin, so maybe it's just in

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another town or whatever.

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>> Sarah : But didn't he run there or like, I, I, I don't

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know the distance in the geography. And so that's

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why I guess they drove there. But I don't know, it

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was, it was just confusing to me. So you're

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probably right that it did take them a while.

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>> Will: Yeah, I mean, as far as the park sequence itself,

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we were wondering if, you know, she was, you know,

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obviously she was trying to get back in the good

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graces of, of trying to get a job and just get her

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job back and, and, and all that. But but at the

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same time, you know, she, she tried to warn Chris

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and you know, used a code word, of course. He, you

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know, he's Matt, he is, he is trying to like find

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an answer to, to the, what, you know, from her,

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what happened that night on the, on the boat. And

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you know, I guess he's just hell bent on, on

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finding that out. Especially after he came back

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from the other dimension to, you know, to, to get

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that answer and tough conversation right there

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with the whole gang ready there to take the, to

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take them all in. But you know, at the end of the

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day he you know, he, he kind of, you know, I guess

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we get again, we did see Chris's like tactical

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skills and stuff. Knowing that, you know, it is a

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big Open space. And I mean he. I guess he did on

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some way did pick up on the queue as far as

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Copacetic that, you know, as he was running across

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the.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: Mark there, he was using all the people as As

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decoys and stuff. So. And protect himself. So even

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though Hardcore was giving him grief about it, he

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actually did get the message. But he just really

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wanted to, you know, really want to talk to her.

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>> Sarah : Is there, Is there in. In relation to this

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episode, is there anything else Hardcore and

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Peacemaker you want to talk about?

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>> Will: Well, I mean I think it just. Again, it just

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reinforces the. The. The. It was really. It's

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really just a foundational piece that really does

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set up things in. In episode. Episode six. I mean,

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you know, I think. You know, I think the fifth

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episode was really that sort of the real true. You

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know, the true transition episode as far as

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pulling all the various chess pieces to You know,

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the springboard for the. You know, for the. The.

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The last half of the season. So you know, so we

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did get You know, so we did, you know, get her

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saving his life and you know, we learn more about

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Bordeaux just being a part cyborg, but And, and.

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And. And also just you know, some great scenes

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between Adebayo and Adrian.

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>> Sarah : Oh yeah, I meant like Peacemaker and Hardcore. Was

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there anything else you want to talk specifically

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about them? I knew that there was other stuff in

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the. In the thing because to. We. We'll get back

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to Adrian and Adio. But Eagly. I. I've come to

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realize that after specifically episode five, that

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last last year during first season Peacemaker,

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Eagly was arguably up there top three characters.

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Eagly is no longer up there for me. I just. I

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don't. I don't like the. I didn't. I. I. It just.

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It feel. It feels so much like a B story or a C

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plot and I all. All I can also think is to go back

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to the point you just made. Like we have some

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great moments with Adebayo and Adrian, but they're

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so small and in between. And then there's these

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long seque with what's his name? Red St. Wild and

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Eagle. And I'm just like, yeah, why? Like it

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doesn't feel balanced. especially with Adebayo

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both of these episodes. To me, I think some of my

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frustration is that I just feel like specifically

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her character has been so underutilized and, and

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granted some of the. She has some of the best

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scenes specifically with Chris throughout these,

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These six episodes. But simultaneously with her as

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a character, I'm just like, it. It's. It's.

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Suddenly she's standing still. and. And I just. I

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don't know. And it just has frustrated me. And it.

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And it. And it highlighted itself in these two

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episodes, with both Adebayo and. And. And just the

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uses. That's what I'm talking about. And how these

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characters are utilized in terms of the overall

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arc of the show. And. And I understand. I mean,

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you're dealing with an ensemble. Not everybody can

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have their episode. But we're at technically epis

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going into episode seven, the penultimate episode.

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And I feel like Adebayo, like, she's just in the

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background placing ads inadvertently to

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prostitute. which is great, but a part of me will.

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I was like, oh, are they gonna actually go and

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meet with this person? And are we gonna have this

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whole other. No, that didn't happen because we had

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to deal with Eagly. And then meanwhile, they have

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to go and pick, up Chris from Argus. And so I. I

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guess it's just. It doesn't, With a character like

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Edebayo, again, like I said, her moments are so

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strong with Chris that I just wish she was given

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more of it or is given more to like, flesh out

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really what's going on with her. and I feel as

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though she's been relegated back to an economist

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and even an Adrian. I mean, I was. Trust me.

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Episode five, I was. I was really annoyed because

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I'm like, where are we going? Like, get to it. and

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episode six is also. I'm like, okay, we're. Well,

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we're here, because in this episode, through a

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chain of events, or not in this episode, but

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essentially, like, Chris goes through the doorway,

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and that is not a pun, that's a literal doorway.

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He walks through a Judo Master follows, and, then

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he closes it behind him and he writes a letter. I,

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love how Judo Master has to sign it and being

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like, okay, so obviously we all have to sign

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before we enter the doorway. Really? Okay.

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>> Will: Yeah. Well, at least with Judo Master is more, I

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guess the, the Cheetos, you know, it was the

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giveaway with him. But yeah, yeah, but, Yeah, but,

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yeah. I mean, as far as, like, I get what you're

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saying about it with that, Adebayo. And I mean, I

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think, you know, you know, to your point, I mean,

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it is, you know, it is an ensemble show. And, you

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know, she does have some. I think in between, you

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know, she has some very, like, strong moments with

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each. Each episode. I mean, yeah, screen time wise

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may not be as much as, you know. You know. You

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know, clearly the. The real print. A lot of the

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emphasis this season is really focused, you know,

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on Chris, and obviously, he's the. He's the lead,

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but also even Harcourt with her, you know, their.

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Their story and, you know, and we, You know, so we

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get that, but I mean, but I do, like, when they do

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have, you know, add a bio because, you know, for

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example, I thought one of the great scenes that

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she had with, With. With this, you know, episode

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five was with. With Adrian and whenever. Not only,

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you know, there was clearly this. The conversation

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on the steps, but then after. When Chris went

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through the. Went through the portal, you know,

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Adrian just, like, just a mess, you.

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>> Sarah : Know, and so the first time he has ever cried.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Arguably. Yeah. But. But it's. It's a

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very interesting thing too, especially in. In

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context of what we learned in episode six. And

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we'll get there in a minute. But just as far as,

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like, how the black character is, like, being

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utilized in this show, you know, it's sort of

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like. It's. It's the. It's the support. It's the

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support character, as far as the emotional

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support, the, you know, the sage wisdom or, you

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know, there's so many. There's various tropes that

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we just. That we see in media sometimes as far as,

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like, how African American characters are, even if

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it's in a positive, like, how they're portrayed,

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as far as the support characters for the white

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character. So, you know, it's. It's like, so, you

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know, so she's kind of playing that nurturing

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role, like, almost like a mom to the team. you

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know, whether it's helping Chris.

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>> Sarah : But there isn't a team.

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>> Will: They love the street kids. I mean, it's.

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>> Sarah : Right. I understand that, but I don't. This

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season, in these six episodes, they haven't felt

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like a team. They have felt like, Like that whole

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scene in episode two when they're, When they're

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meeting up for what feels like the first time in

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months or something, all together, it felt like a

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high school reunion.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : where it's like. Like they went through something

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together, and so there's a bond, but they don't

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feel like a team. I. She placed an ad, but it's

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her agency, and obviously, like, Chris is her

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number one employee at the moment, so. Which is

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funny because I'm still like, okay, so what is

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Vigilante like, why. Why isn't he part of. On the

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payroll? So, I, I just. I understand what you're

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saying, and you're making an excellent point. but

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I, I don't view them as a team. I, And I don't. I

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don't know if I just view her as. And I see her,

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and yes, she is nurturing, but it's more of like,

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she's the glue. As all of these people are going

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in these different directions, she's, like, trying

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to bring them back because very subtly, she needs

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everyone. Like, she needs them back together,

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arguably as much as Harcourt needs to get a job in

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this field, because that is all they know. And

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without it, what do they have? Because her mother

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has already disowned her.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Like, so. And her. Her girlfriend kicked her out.

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And, like, we saw that relationship. So I, I don't

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know if it's. I. It's. It's. It's the glue. I

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just. I feel like she's blue and she's pulling

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people back in. And, you know, somebody has to

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hold Adrian when he cries for the first time,

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because there ain't no way in hell it's going to

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be his mom.

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>> Will: Nope.

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>> Sarah : Even though his mom would gladly try, he would

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instantly stop. Instantly stop, crying. I mean.

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But I, I think, I love your perspective about how

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they are taking those tropes of, black female

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characters specifically, and kind of settling the

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back way. Background utilizing her in that way.

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given the next episode, Episode six, Ignorance is

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Chris. While Chris explores a dimension with his

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father and brother still alive, the task force

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scrambles to bring him home. Judomaster begins

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uncovering the unsettling secrets of the world.

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Was judomaster in that episode at all?

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>> Will: Just a Cheeto Marks.

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>> Sarah : Okay, so Whoever wrote this IMDb got that line

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wrong because I was like, I don't. I don't think

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he did anything.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Meanwhile, Vigilante takes on the role of

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protecting Abaday from threats that lurk within

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it. Okay, who wrote this? This makes no sense.

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>> Will: Anything. Yeah, because they were all like, you

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know, he was like, hell bent on, like, let's go.

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In the prior episode. Let's do this. Let's go to

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another dimension. And even when it got there, you

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know, it was like, no.

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>> Sarah : But Vigilante was, like, crying at the thought of

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never seeing his best friend again. And then when

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he realizes where his best friend go, he's like,

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maybe I can be another me in there. Maybe he. He

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was hell bent on that. yeah, but. Yeah, I just. I

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want to continue on this thought. And so, yeah,

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we're gonna jump to the end, because something

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that I found very, albeit unsettling is we have

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spent time in this other place. So. And I don't.

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And I don't know. And. But you definitely didn't

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tell me if you had heard this theory that the. The

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shoe that drops is the fact that, the other world

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is run by Nazis. So what does it. And. And what.

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My. My question is. And what I found unsettling is

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the fact that I didn't hear anybody theorize that.

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So what does that tell. Say. What does that say

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about the viewer that they. They, much like Chris,

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didn't see it and had to have it pointed out by

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Harcourt to be like. Yeah, they're.

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>> Sarah : like there. There are no people of color at all.

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Ah. What?

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Will: So. Yeah, well, this is. I think there were some

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people theorizing and some people did after

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episode six dropped. and I'm. I, did. Some people

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did have some receipts where they did a few weeks

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ago call it.

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>> Sarah : Okay. Okay.

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>> Will: Yeah, there were some out there. and I did. I was

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talking to, like, maybe last week I was talking to

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someone, right prior to the episode or. Yeah,

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that. That. That was their theory, but. But I

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think they were just repeating something they had

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seen on the. Then they spend a whole hell of a lot

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more time on social media than I do these days,

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so. Oh, yeah, I. I had complete. I did not. I did

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not. You know, we always. You know, going back to

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episode three, I, I went back just to just make

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sure. I was like. I listened to our discussion

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that, Because that was the episode. He spent a lot

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of time right in there, and we both, like, you

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know, we knew something was off.

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>> Sarah : Right.

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>> Will: But I think. But, you know, I think we were

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really. I know I was really focused on, you know,

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a lot of just the export. Chris's exploration, you

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know. You know, as far as learning more about

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himself, you know, be the best dimension ever, you

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know, and him being. All the adulation he was

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getting as a hero. so. So I did. You know.

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>> Sarah : You didn't clock it.

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>> Will: I didn't clock it. And honestly, it was almost

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like the Friends phenomenon.

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>> Sarah : The Friends phenomenon.

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>> Will: Yeah. You know, as far as. Just like a media. Like

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the fact that.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: That there were no other people of color cast in.

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In that universe, and it's sort of like. It's just

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one of those things, you know, it wasn't like, you

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know, as a. As A African American viewer. You

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know, I try to like, you know, I sometimes, you

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know, try to like, you know, sometimes I pick up

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on these things, but a lot of times, like, you

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know, you may not. And then also, you know, and it

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was sort of like, you know, it was kind of like

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Chris where. Or, or in his own way, whenever, you

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know, Horker was trying to explain it to him, he

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was, you know, in a backhanded way, it was like, I

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don't, I don't see color, you know, that kind of

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comment or whatever. Yeah, so.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: Ah, you know, so. So it was, it was like. And

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something, you know, and we'll get into it with,

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with Gen V. But I mean, it's just sort of how like

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things in the media are done and portrayed that

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you just sort of like subconsciously or

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consciously, it's just like, yeah, you know,

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something's off, but you don't. But until it was

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like, it has.

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>> Sarah : To be pointed out to you because she was.

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>> Will: Yeah, she was clocky. Yeah, go ahead.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, it was to, to your point, like the Friends

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phenomenon or. I, I think Seinfeld is another good

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example of it. But there, there are a lot of, A

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lot of shows that are big successes and then you

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look at the cast and you're like, not a single

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person of color.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : what is that? And, and it's just so, so. And I

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think that, I think James Gunn knew that and

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that's why this works. I will say though, as, as

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like, oh, okay. and it's just because if this show

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had come out with this last year, probably would

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be a different point, different conversation. I'd

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probably be at more. But my mind instantly goes to

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the first episode of paradise and I'm like, yep,

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I'm sorry, you've already been trumped. So that

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was so good. So, so it's just. But, but I think

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also. And another smart thing he did is. And I

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think I did point this out in an earlier

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conversation. With all the time that Chris has

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spent in the other universe, we have yet to really

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see him have a one on one conversation with his

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dad.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And if I recall correctly, it is made clear in the

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first season of Peacemaker that his dad, is a

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racist. Oh, yeah, yeah. And. Oh, yeah, full KKK

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member and all that. So, so that, so the, the

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moment the reveal happened, and then I was like,

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okay, that makes sense. Because his dad is. Yeah,

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like, like things are the same, but just different

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enough. And as we saw when, Harcourt was driving

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with Keith and all of the. The names of the bands

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were slightly different. And then the. Every

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Cheerios. Was a great one. I like Cheerios.

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>> Will: Yeah. And then. And then also like the Sons of

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Liberty was another like good red herring too as

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far as, it was again like calling them a terrorist

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group and you know, and thinking like, you know,

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because I remember our conversation about the Sons

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of Liberty.

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>> Will: And you know, at other. In. In our Earth, in. In

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Earth prime in the DC Universe, you know, they

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are, you know, they are the anti terrorists. They

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are terrorist group and stuff. So, you know, so

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it's just like. Okay, makes makes sense why Chris

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was like, you know, while they were doing things

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and, and, and. And all. Especially now when we

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learn like, you know, you know that they are

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guessing. I guess the. The in. In Earth X, which

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Which also, you know, we did visit Earth X in the

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Arrowverse, with the Crisis on Earth X, crossover,

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you know, we Makes sense why the Sons of Liberty

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on Earth X are, you know, what will be at least,

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you know, the analog to our world is, you know,

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antifa, which was, you know, as far as in the

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classical sense, as far as anti fascist. So, you

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know, for more.

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>> Sarah : Does it.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Does it make sense that Adrian is a part of them?

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Can we just go there? Can we just go to Vigilante?

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Visual. Oh my God. Visual. This. This is

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Vigilantes episode. And that's m. One of the.

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Probably the predominant reason why I love this

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episode is because he like they've been holding

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them back and I'm just like. I'm like, I'm waiting

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for it. I'm waiting for it. And. And it comes like

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from start to finish because, this episode is

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really structured on the crew because Abbadio

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memorized everything that Chris did to set up the

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doorway they were able to reopen, which was

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something that did go. Crossed my mind. I'm just

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like, Chris, your whole plan hinged on the fact

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that nobody else could like make the doorway. And

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yet you practically showed AB how to do it. Like,

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So. And. And the whole time Adrian is, Well, they

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first have to find a new doorway. And so we

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finally, finally get to go to Adrian's mom's house

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because that's where he lives. And we finally meet

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the lovely mother vigilante and she is delightful

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and Adrian treats her like, And. And she just

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takes it with a smile. And I think that was the

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best part of it is that she's so used to it that

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she's Numb. But not. Not in the. It wasn't her.

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Her whole presence wasn't on the nose as it could

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have been. So I. I give props to Gun for. For the

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writing of that character and that relationship.

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Then it's revealed in his secret room that he's

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been storing all of the blood money and cocaine.

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And like, this is. This is what I. I find so

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interesting about him is that he is a straight up

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killer, yet he will not use the money or the

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cocaine, and he will also not return it to the

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police because who knows what they'll do with it.

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It's like, dude, so. So we go there and. And he

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keeps. Keeps saying, like, this idea of meeting

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00:27:25,790 --> 00:27:29,510
another version of him. And. And we get it. And

481
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:31,390
they do the Spider man meme.

482
00:27:31,950 --> 00:27:32,470
>> Will: Yep.

483
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:37,760
>> Sarah : And he, he. He. He's just a delightful person

484
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,960
going through his house in the other world and

485
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,560
skipping and all of this stuff. And. And we meet

486
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,400
Adrian 2.0, or Adrian X, whatever we want to call

487
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:55,470
him. And it is, like looking in a mirror up until

488
00:27:55,470 --> 00:27:58,270
the point where it's revealed that on earth, X,

489
00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:02,680
Vigilante is not Peacemaker's best friend. In

490
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,730
fact, that is his, his enemy. and. And that's

491
00:28:06,730 --> 00:28:09,130
where they leave that conversation is just that

492
00:28:09,130 --> 00:28:13,500
revelation that. Nope, the. The one thing that

493
00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:20,980
would really, crush Adrian to find out that on

494
00:28:20,980 --> 00:28:24,980
this other Earth, like everything else, he's like,

495
00:28:24,980 --> 00:28:28,420
yes, yes, we're. We're looking in the mirror. And

496
00:28:28,420 --> 00:28:32,020
then the one thing he really wanted, it's like,

497
00:28:32,020 --> 00:28:35,620
nope, nope, you got it backwards. We. We. I hate

498
00:28:36,190 --> 00:28:39,070
Peacemaker. I hate that guy. And it's like, okay,

499
00:28:41,390 --> 00:28:44,150
Adrian's like, we gotta get out. We gotta get out

500
00:28:44,150 --> 00:28:44,350
now.

501
00:28:44,350 --> 00:28:45,390
>> Will: We gotta get out now.

502
00:28:45,710 --> 00:28:47,150
>> Sarah : I can't take this world.

503
00:28:50,510 --> 00:28:53,470
>> Will: Yeah. He needs adequately, like, you know, go, go,

504
00:28:53,470 --> 00:28:56,110
go cry in her arms again. Because he's gonna. He's

505
00:28:56,110 --> 00:28:56,910
probably crushed.

506
00:28:59,950 --> 00:29:02,800
>> Sarah : See, I. I feel like she just would tell him, I

507
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:03,600
told you so.

508
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:04,560
>> Will: Yeah.

509
00:29:06,460 --> 00:29:11,890
>> Sarah : I told you so. Yeah. Anything you wanted to add in

510
00:29:11,890 --> 00:29:13,090
about Vigilante?

511
00:29:13,730 --> 00:29:16,530
>> Will: No, I mean that, that. The whole. No, I. I mean,

512
00:29:16,770 --> 00:29:19,250
there's really not much more we could add there.

513
00:29:19,420 --> 00:29:22,540
other. Well. Oh, the other one other thing too,

514
00:29:22,540 --> 00:29:25,210
was just his little fantasy of, with the hardcore,

515
00:29:25,900 --> 00:29:29,740
where. You know. Yeah. The whole lie. Yeah. Ah,

516
00:29:29,810 --> 00:29:32,370
yeah. It's like again, you're. To your. Else. I

517
00:29:32,370 --> 00:29:33,730
was thinking that about that as you're talking

518
00:29:33,730 --> 00:29:36,850
about how. How well written the mom character was.

519
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,480
because that, you know, that that bit could have

520
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:45,920
really gone. I think I heard. Who. I heard someone

521
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,600
mention this on their interview. I was watching

522
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,850
that. you know, sometimes, you know, you need.

523
00:29:52,850 --> 00:29:55,330
James Gunn needs to direct James Gunn scripts.

524
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,080
Because in the hands of another director, I don't

525
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,000
know if that bit would have worked as well if. If

526
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:06,510
he hadn't directed, you know, episode six. because

527
00:30:06,510 --> 00:30:08,470
he just. Yeah, I think he just knows what tone

528
00:30:08,550 --> 00:30:11,019
that he, That he wants there. And into. Your

529
00:30:11,019 --> 00:30:13,260
point, you know, that that's another scene with.

530
00:30:13,260 --> 00:30:16,060
With. With the whole vigilante piece that I

531
00:30:16,060 --> 00:30:17,790
thought was just pretty funny and just sort of,

532
00:30:17,740 --> 00:30:19,900
Again, the dynamic with. With. With the 11th

533
00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:22,510
Street Kids, maybe for,

534
00:30:22,810 --> 00:30:26,730
>> Sarah : For me, I just think. Well, another director made

535
00:30:26,730 --> 00:30:30,290
the tone bird blindness work for me, so.

536
00:30:34,130 --> 00:30:37,290
>> Will: I guess it was. That's right. It was the third.

537
00:30:37,290 --> 00:30:39,330
Yeah. Yes, it was the other. Yeah, that's right.

538
00:30:39,330 --> 00:30:39,730
That's right.

539
00:30:39,730 --> 00:30:42,010
>> Sarah : This was the first episode he directed of the

540
00:30:42,010 --> 00:30:42,290
season.

541
00:30:43,330 --> 00:30:46,050
>> Will: No, he directed the first Thing two, I think.

542
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:46,840
>> Sarah : Okay.

543
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,920
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Then he did step away.

544
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,970
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. this is also the first episode without

545
00:30:54,970 --> 00:30:59,250
a flashback. and this is the first time that I've

546
00:30:59,250 --> 00:31:02,810
actually. I watched episode five on Wednesday

547
00:31:02,890 --> 00:31:05,930
night, and then I watched episode six on Thursday

548
00:31:06,010 --> 00:31:09,690
night. And, yeah, we've already talked about the

549
00:31:09,690 --> 00:31:13,370
big twist at the end, which I was like, good. I

550
00:31:13,370 --> 00:31:17,650
wasn't spoiled. But more importantly, I was like,

551
00:31:17,730 --> 00:31:19,570
good thing I watched this, because I would have

552
00:31:19,570 --> 00:31:22,690
been pissed if anybody had told me because I

553
00:31:22,690 --> 00:31:26,520
didn't see it coming at all. that Lex Luthor shows

554
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:31,580
up because Rick Flag, goes to Belle Reeve, to get

555
00:31:31,580 --> 00:31:36,800
information about how to locate the portal, and

556
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:44,470
also use the portal to, go get Peacemaker. So. So.

557
00:31:44,550 --> 00:31:47,990
So correct me if. Okay, I have a question, Will.

558
00:31:48,390 --> 00:31:48,950
>> Will: Yeah.

559
00:31:49,270 --> 00:31:54,870
>> Sarah : Okay, so this whole time, Argus has been when the

560
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:59,110
portal gets used m. It does send some kind of

561
00:31:59,110 --> 00:32:03,520
single. Of like a interdimensional rift, right?

562
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:09,200
That. That Argus has been tra. Tracking. So what.

563
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:15,560
Why in. In Vigilante's basement did they just not

564
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,640
see it or what happened there?

565
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,200
>> Will: They didn't have eyes on, I think, because, you

566
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,640
know, think about all the other instances where

567
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,060
they had discovered the portal. it was, you know,

568
00:32:29,060 --> 00:32:30,780
the early episodes, they, you know, they had.

569
00:32:31,260 --> 00:32:34,780
They. They were able to see it when Chris opened

570
00:32:34,780 --> 00:32:36,860
it up at his dad's house. So they knew where Chris

571
00:32:36,860 --> 00:32:39,540
was. Economist was like, you know, out. Out there

572
00:32:39,540 --> 00:32:42,020
staking it out. So they knew where. And then

573
00:32:42,020 --> 00:32:45,420
later, you know, judo master was able to. To

574
00:32:45,420 --> 00:32:49,310
follow them to the. To the, cabin. But. Dude. But

575
00:32:49,310 --> 00:32:51,550
due to the interference, you know, as when Judo

576
00:32:51,550 --> 00:32:53,680
master called back to Flurry. the. The

577
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,270
coordinates, The. The signal got blocked, so they

578
00:32:57,270 --> 00:32:59,750
weren't. Argus wasn't able to go there at the

579
00:32:59,750 --> 00:33:05,070
house. So. So I think the. Felt the thing is the,

580
00:33:05,060 --> 00:33:07,500
So, yeah, they could. I think they could. They

581
00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:09,620
have the equipment to like, find a rift, but I

582
00:33:09,620 --> 00:33:11,660
think they still need to have, like, eyes on. And

583
00:33:11,660 --> 00:33:14,580
so, you know, you know, vigilantes off the grid.

584
00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:17,260
You know, no one knows that Adrian is, Is the

585
00:33:17,260 --> 00:33:19,340
vigilante, so they wouldn't even begin to think to

586
00:33:19,340 --> 00:33:22,420
like, look, there's. As far as. As far as.

587
00:33:22,420 --> 00:33:22,789
>> Sarah : Yeah.

588
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:25,590
>> Will: where. Where a potential portal for, you know,

589
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:25,990
for.

590
00:33:26,580 --> 00:33:30,660
>> Sarah : I just. I just don't. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean,

591
00:33:30,660 --> 00:33:33,090
you're right. There. There are some things. Yeah.

592
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:35,340
what do you think about the scene with Nicholas

593
00:33:35,340 --> 00:33:35,860
Halt?

594
00:33:36,980 --> 00:33:39,650
>> Will: I liked it. It was a, I think it was a.

595
00:33:42,219 --> 00:33:42,979
>> Sarah : More men.

596
00:33:42,979 --> 00:33:45,179
>> Will: I don't know, something just tonally he was more

597
00:33:45,179 --> 00:33:50,739
menacing or something about him that it just, you

598
00:33:50,739 --> 00:33:53,179
know, I liked it. And also, I think it just

599
00:33:53,179 --> 00:33:55,299
really, you know, when he, when he said the line,

600
00:33:55,299 --> 00:33:58,419
though, who gives a. Being goofy is no threat. I

601
00:33:58,419 --> 00:34:01,939
mean, you know, he. He really. He really. I think

602
00:34:01,939 --> 00:34:05,819
it just deepens his animosity towards. Towards

603
00:34:05,979 --> 00:34:09,659
Superman as far as with the metas and, and, and.

604
00:34:09,739 --> 00:34:13,320
And all that. So, you know, because when. Because

605
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,160
as Flag shared that Chris is just an ordinary

606
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,860
person, he was like, oh, okay, who cares? But he

607
00:34:18,860 --> 00:34:21,740
really does have a thing against meta. So. So I

608
00:34:21,740 --> 00:34:24,700
just think it just further, you know, added that

609
00:34:24,940 --> 00:34:27,260
we already knew it, but it just like reinforced it

610
00:34:27,260 --> 00:34:29,820
even more and just, you know, after he's been

611
00:34:29,820 --> 00:34:33,220
sitting in Bell Reeve and, you know, in a meta,

612
00:34:33,220 --> 00:34:36,380
you know, in a what? A metahuman prison of all

613
00:34:36,380 --> 00:34:36,860
places.

614
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,840
>> Will: So. But yeah, that's better than that. I mean, I

615
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,590
thought it was a cool surprise. I think, you know,

616
00:34:43,590 --> 00:34:45,790
I think a lot of folks thought, you know, given

617
00:34:45,790 --> 00:34:48,190
all the behind the scene photos we've seen with

618
00:34:48,430 --> 00:34:51,610
Scene N, and Dave, corn sweat, people assumed that

619
00:34:51,690 --> 00:34:53,500
Superman, was going to show up and he still might,

620
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:56,470
but even though James has said he's not. But, but

621
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:58,670
it was a. That was. It was a nice surprise to see

622
00:34:58,670 --> 00:34:59,430
Alex show up.

623
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,720
>> Sarah : Definitely. Definitely a nice surprise.

624
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:05,540
>> Will: Yeah.

625
00:35:05,540 --> 00:35:14,460
>> Sarah : okay. Hardcore, the real hardcore, has a very

626
00:35:14,860 --> 00:35:19,420
intense conversation with Chris in this episode,

627
00:35:19,710 --> 00:35:25,370
towards the end. And they. They go, they. We. It's

628
00:35:25,370 --> 00:35:29,070
finally. It's more of her than him, which I think

629
00:35:29,070 --> 00:35:35,200
is needed, because he. She realizes why he came

630
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,090
there. but I Also appreciate that she stands her

631
00:35:39,090 --> 00:35:43,610
ground because she's like, I can't tell you that I

632
00:35:43,610 --> 00:35:50,180
love you or even have, like it was real. Because I

633
00:35:50,180 --> 00:35:55,090
don't want you to just choose that. And that be

634
00:35:55,090 --> 00:35:59,770
the reason why suddenly we leave. Like, you have a

635
00:35:59,770 --> 00:36:03,810
choice here and you need to do it for yourself.

636
00:36:03,810 --> 00:36:06,770
You can't do it for me almost is what she's really

637
00:36:06,850 --> 00:36:11,170
trying to say. But simultaneously it's also much

638
00:36:11,330 --> 00:36:13,930
like. No, you need to tell him the truth and you

639
00:36:13,930 --> 00:36:16,730
need to tell him how you feel. And you also need

640
00:36:16,730 --> 00:36:20,650
to explain to Sarah your history. But with Rick

641
00:36:20,650 --> 00:36:23,290
Flag Jr. I need more in depth and I need to

642
00:36:23,290 --> 00:36:26,030
understand timelines because it was also made

643
00:36:26,030 --> 00:36:27,990
clear to me that you, you weren't in a

644
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:31,750
relationship with him, but you were, and there was

645
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:34,510
some feelings there. You didn't mean this. I, I

646
00:36:34,510 --> 00:36:37,710
almost need a Rick Flag Jr. Show at this point.

647
00:36:38,350 --> 00:36:40,710
No, I don't. No, I don't. I strike that from the

648
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:47,150
record. I really don't. But. But I, I just, you

649
00:36:47,150 --> 00:36:51,030
know. No, it's a very good scene. It's a very good

650
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:55,710
scene. both actors as well as written. Do I think

651
00:36:55,710 --> 00:36:58,310
it's on par with the interview scene from

652
00:36:58,310 --> 00:37:02,510
Superman? No, because that is just too iconic. So.

653
00:37:02,590 --> 00:37:04,670
Yeah, but we'll go ahead.

654
00:37:05,150 --> 00:37:08,350
>> Will: Yeah, it's funny. Okay, so it's funny. Your mind

655
00:37:08,350 --> 00:37:11,030
went where my mind went with, to that scene and in

656
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:13,290
Superman. because I had, I had it in my. I had

657
00:37:13,290 --> 00:37:16,770
written out of my notes, that I agree with you.

658
00:37:16,850 --> 00:37:22,230
The, the seeing of Superman definitely is the one

659
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:25,470
as far as James Gunn and like these heart to

660
00:37:25,470 --> 00:37:29,710
heart, you know, copies just strip everything off.

661
00:37:29,710 --> 00:37:32,230
Unless it's. Have a true. How real couples talk

662
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:35,140
really, you know, the conversation. But, Yeah,

663
00:37:35,140 --> 00:37:37,020
this was very well done. I, I agree.

664
00:37:37,980 --> 00:37:43,020
>> Sarah : I think, I think the difference is now that the.

665
00:37:43,340 --> 00:37:47,380
What you just said made me think about this in

666
00:37:47,380 --> 00:37:50,940
Superman, that conversation. Because we're

667
00:37:51,020 --> 00:37:53,540
technically getting to know these two characters

668
00:37:53,540 --> 00:37:57,540
where they are in their relationship and there's

669
00:37:57,540 --> 00:38:00,220
so many different levels, but it feels like a

670
00:38:00,220 --> 00:38:03,180
conversation. It felt like a dance because it was

671
00:38:03,180 --> 00:38:05,300
a back and forth. A back and forth, back and

672
00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:09,920
forth. This one, because Chris has done a lot of

673
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,280
talking up into this episode. So this

674
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,360
conversation, albeit Chris had some very

675
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,680
significant lines. This would felt much more like

676
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,000
a stream of consciousness. Consciousness from

677
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,360
Harcourt, who we haven't heard a lot from. And so

678
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:34,210
she's needed this moment. It, it's. And that's the

679
00:38:34,210 --> 00:38:37,850
difference because it wasn't much Like a dance. It

680
00:38:37,850 --> 00:38:42,290
was very much like we have. We understand Chris's

681
00:38:42,290 --> 00:38:45,730
point of view. Now we finally get the reveal of

682
00:38:45,970 --> 00:38:49,530
Harcourt's point of view and all of the emotions

683
00:38:49,530 --> 00:38:52,890
that she's been holding. Holding back and holding

684
00:38:52,890 --> 00:38:59,180
in. So. So was. It's. That's. I think, the

685
00:38:59,180 --> 00:39:03,100
difference and why I prefer one over the other

686
00:39:03,340 --> 00:39:06,940
because I. I like more of a conversation rather

687
00:39:06,940 --> 00:39:08,140
than a monologue.

688
00:39:09,020 --> 00:39:12,330
>> Will: Yeah. So, Yeah, I mean, I hear what you're saying,

689
00:39:12,330 --> 00:39:15,770
and I. I think you're. I agree with you too, on

690
00:39:15,770 --> 00:39:18,330
that point. I think the other thing for me is

691
00:39:18,330 --> 00:39:23,340
also, I think where I do feel like it was a bit of

692
00:39:23,340 --> 00:39:28,900
a conversation because they were. I think where it

693
00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:32,020
was, it was still a good back and forth between

694
00:39:32,020 --> 00:39:40,200
the two of them was, you know, I think, maybe not

695
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,440
a back and forth because Chris was really locked

696
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,680
in as far as, like, he. He could only see. You

697
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,790
know, I talked about how he's grown a little. He's

698
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:51,470
somewhat grown as a person and. Yes, he has grown

699
00:39:51,470 --> 00:39:54,070
as far as, like. Yeah. You know. You know, as far

700
00:39:54,070 --> 00:39:56,150
as, like, the toxic masculinity and stuff and

701
00:39:56,150 --> 00:40:00,310
thinking, you know, he's. He's opening himself up

702
00:40:00,310 --> 00:40:02,950
to be more vulnerable. So it was almost like a

703
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:05,310
gender role reversal where, you know, again, the

704
00:40:05,310 --> 00:40:07,350
usual trope would be the woman would be the

705
00:40:07,350 --> 00:40:11,190
character to be all emotional and I love you, and

706
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:15,670
here it's like a guy. But I think for. For me,

707
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:18,030
with that scene into your point about. With

708
00:40:18,030 --> 00:40:22,000
hardcore. Yeah. And. And a mass toxic masculinity

709
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,000
and all the things that we've seen her go through.

710
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,600
You know, she was diagnosed with that in early

711
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,000
episodes, you know, with. By the.

712
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,160
>> Sarah : Episode one. Yep.

713
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,160
>> Will: Episode one. Yeah. And it was just like, you know,

714
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,560
you know, it, It. Yeah, you're. You're right. It

715
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,560
was like a stream of consciousness. It was like,

716
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,080
you know, she. She has been like, putting up these

717
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,920
shields and using all these deflection methods

718
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,300
and, you know, to avoid this hard, you know, avoid

719
00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:48,300
her feelings. And also. Does she. And also the

720
00:40:48,300 --> 00:40:50,660
fact that she's just, you know, she is broken and

721
00:40:50,660 --> 00:40:54,260
she just needs, like, space and. And Chris is

722
00:40:54,260 --> 00:40:58,300
just. Chris is a lot of ways just emotionally

723
00:40:58,300 --> 00:41:01,420
immature because at the same time, he, you know,

724
00:41:01,420 --> 00:41:05,940
he, you know, he. He. He's like. On the one hand,

725
00:41:05,940 --> 00:41:08,980
he's like, I love you, Amelia from Earth One, but

726
00:41:09,060 --> 00:41:12,060
if I can't have you, then I'll just, like, go over

727
00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:14,180
here in my little fantasy world. It's obviously

728
00:41:14,180 --> 00:41:16,340
before we, you know, learn to reveal about what

729
00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:19,420
Earthx is, but he, you know, he has sort of like,

730
00:41:19,420 --> 00:41:22,660
you know, his backup plan as far as like this

731
00:41:22,660 --> 00:41:26,100
little, this little world. So, I mean, I think

732
00:41:26,100 --> 00:41:28,700
from her standpoint, she's probably like, you're

733
00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:31,860
in love with the idea of me, but not me.

734
00:41:33,060 --> 00:41:38,110
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. Because. Because she, doesn't think

735
00:41:38,110 --> 00:41:40,540
that she can, be loved.

736
00:41:41,180 --> 00:41:41,740
>> Will: Yeah.

737
00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:46,460
>> Sarah : And. And so, and so they're like. And that's what

738
00:41:46,460 --> 00:41:51,510
I, I did find very, honest and appreciated about

739
00:41:51,909 --> 00:41:56,230
the whole scene the most, was you could really

740
00:41:56,310 --> 00:42:06,410
understand, you understand more about her, why she

741
00:42:07,130 --> 00:42:11,330
not only has treated Chris this way, but then all

742
00:42:11,330 --> 00:42:14,530
of the insinuations about her relationship, her

743
00:42:14,530 --> 00:42:19,850
past relationship, friendship, whatever with Rick

744
00:42:19,850 --> 00:42:27,360
Flag Jr. So it, it. I, Yeah. And it's something

745
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,440
I've needed. I've needed that for like five, five

746
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,760
episodes. I've. There is so much that happens in

747
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,480
this episode that I've just been waiting for.

748
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:44,400
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was thinking, as ever as

749
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,000
I was watching this, in particular with the scene

750
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,800
between Chris and Amelia, I, I was, I was thinking

751
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,240
of you the whole time and just conversations,

752
00:42:52,820 --> 00:42:54,370
throughout the series this season.

753
00:42:54,370 --> 00:42:58,110
>> Sarah : And And like, I, I would like to point out because

754
00:42:58,110 --> 00:43:00,830
I've made a comment about this. Very early on in

755
00:43:00,830 --> 00:43:05,430
the season, the screeners that went out were

756
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:07,110
episodes one through six.

757
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:08,630
>> Will: No.

758
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:12,830
>> Sarah : So that's why anybody who got those screeners were

759
00:43:12,830 --> 00:43:16,190
raving about it because they were able to binge

760
00:43:16,190 --> 00:43:17,910
the. These episodes.

761
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:19,910
>> Will: Yes.

762
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:22,250
>> Sarah : And so I was like, I'm,

763
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:25,260
>> Will: Like, I thought only episodes one through five

764
00:43:25,260 --> 00:43:25,820
went out.

765
00:43:26,060 --> 00:43:28,460
>> Sarah : No, no, episodes one through six.

766
00:43:28,620 --> 00:43:31,700
>> Will: Yeah, but. Yeah, well, I mean, either way, I mean,

767
00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:34,260
if, if it. Is that the case, you know, hats off to

768
00:43:34,260 --> 00:43:36,820
those folks for not spoiling it for the rest of

769
00:43:36,820 --> 00:43:39,800
us. you know, I, I thank you. because I would have

770
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,240
been pissed if, you know, not only of the, of the,

771
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,880
of the, of the turn as far as what earth they're

772
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,760
on, but also like you said earlier, the Lex

773
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,560
Luthor, showing up. But, Yeah, Yeah, but you know,

774
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,400
the other, you know, as far as, you know, moving

775
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,360
forward as far as the one last thing, as far as

776
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,270
just with the reveal. Speaking of which, you know,

777
00:43:56,270 --> 00:43:58,790
just a very chilling moment when I realized, like.

778
00:43:58,790 --> 00:44:03,070
Oh, when it did. When it. Whenever Abadayo getting

779
00:44:03,070 --> 00:44:05,950
back to, what we were talking about, you know, she

780
00:44:05,950 --> 00:44:07,870
may not have had like a lot of moments, but when

781
00:44:07,870 --> 00:44:12,380
she has the moments, they are like, oh, and so

782
00:44:12,860 --> 00:44:15,940
when she went for that walk and, and John, you

783
00:44:15,940 --> 00:44:18,700
know, I was. A couple things one I was thinking

784
00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:21,060
when, you know, it's good that she. She wasn't in

785
00:44:21,060 --> 00:44:23,850
the house, because if. If, Earth X. Augie had,

786
00:44:23,850 --> 00:44:26,010
like, seen her, you know, he would have killed her

787
00:44:26,010 --> 00:44:26,930
right there on the spot.

788
00:44:27,170 --> 00:44:27,570
>> Sarah : Right.

789
00:44:27,810 --> 00:44:31,740
>> Will: Right one. but whenever, you know, but whenever

790
00:44:31,740 --> 00:44:36,620
the lady saw her and, yeah, and just did that

791
00:44:36,620 --> 00:44:39,900
stare, I was just like, oh, no. Even before Keith.

792
00:44:40,060 --> 00:44:41,780
>> Sarah : Oh, yeah, no, no, I know what you're talking

793
00:44:41,780 --> 00:44:42,860
about. I know what you're talking.

794
00:44:42,860 --> 00:44:44,020
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, that's what.

795
00:44:44,020 --> 00:44:44,420
>> Sarah : That's.

796
00:44:44,420 --> 00:44:46,780
>> Will: That's. That's the moment when I was like, oh,

797
00:44:47,020 --> 00:44:49,900
there's a shot. Here's the drop.

798
00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:52,700
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. It really is that moment. You're like,

799
00:44:52,700 --> 00:44:58,140
okay, I know what world we're in now. Okay, how to

800
00:44:58,140 --> 00:44:59,180
bio. No.

801
00:45:01,050 --> 00:45:01,370
>> Will: Yeah.

802
00:45:03,130 --> 00:45:04,570
>> Sarah : Run for the hills.

803
00:45:04,570 --> 00:45:07,660
>> Will: Run, Run for your life. And. And. And, you know,

804
00:45:07,660 --> 00:45:09,940
and then Keith just, like, stopping and, you know,

805
00:45:09,940 --> 00:45:13,060
screaming. You know, one guy, you know, you know,

806
00:45:13,060 --> 00:45:15,460
one got out the black, and I was just like, yeah.

807
00:45:15,460 --> 00:45:17,900
Everything about that whole sequence, it. It was

808
00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:21,480
just chilling. it's, you know, and. But also, You

809
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,640
know, you know, I do. It was very, you know,

810
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,240
different scene, different seasons. But also, you

811
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:28,680
know, we had that. You know, we had a similar

812
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,220
scene in season, season one where, by the. By the.

813
00:45:33,340 --> 00:45:37,380
By the racist, with Augie's gang. it's easy. One,

814
00:45:37,380 --> 00:45:40,450
but without a bio. And two, yeah, it was just

815
00:45:41,170 --> 00:45:44,050
everything about that, I was just like, you know,

816
00:45:44,050 --> 00:45:45,809
I know James gonna talk. He said he talked to

817
00:45:45,809 --> 00:45:49,090
Daniel Brooks about Block, you know, shooting this

818
00:45:49,090 --> 00:45:50,850
and making sure she was comfortable with it.

819
00:45:50,850 --> 00:45:53,050
Because I just knew me as a black man watching

820
00:45:53,050 --> 00:45:55,370
that, I was just like, holy. This is. This is,

821
00:45:55,370 --> 00:45:57,720
like, this is messing with me right now. and I

822
00:45:57,720 --> 00:46:00,080
think anybody, you know, so it's. It's been very

823
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,000
interesting just sort of seeing the dialogue on

824
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,310
online now with the. With the reveal. you know,

825
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:08,350
you know, again, how. You know, we've talked about

826
00:46:08,350 --> 00:46:11,910
how it's great when these shows, like, you know,

827
00:46:12,149 --> 00:46:14,790
do throw some analogs and do throw some allegories

828
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:17,830
and, And, And. And other things to make you think

829
00:46:17,830 --> 00:46:19,910
as a viewer. So not only you can be entertained,

830
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:22,380
but also, you know, it's a little message. So I'm

831
00:46:22,380 --> 00:46:25,140
very curious to see, you know, with the

832
00:46:25,140 --> 00:46:27,500
penultimate and the finale, as far as Hal James,

833
00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:30,380
like, you know, now that we've had the big reveal,

834
00:46:30,540 --> 00:46:32,940
you know, what is he going to do with it? How is

835
00:46:32,940 --> 00:46:36,640
he going to, you know, land a plane with, handling

836
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,640
this alternate dimension and how Chris is going to

837
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,640
deal with It. And the things that, you know,

838
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,160
Amelia like, you know, pointed out to him whenever

839
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,760
they were in Argus and you know, and he did see

840
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,280
the flag, with the swastika on it.

841
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:56,400
>> Sarah : All right, well, that leads us into Gen V, episode

842
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,210
four. what was this episode called?

843
00:47:00,090 --> 00:47:02,170
>> Will: It was, you know, I think it was called. I've seen

844
00:47:02,170 --> 00:47:03,369
it called Bags.

845
00:47:03,610 --> 00:47:07,800
>> Sarah : Okay. Yes, that sounds right. Bags. VIP fight

846
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,000
ticket confirmed. Warning. You accept all risks.

847
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,800
All risks may be filmed and exposed to bodily

848
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,680
fluids. Hotel rules. No outside drinks. Gender

849
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,580
specific risk. Restrooms only. Enjoy VIP access.

850
00:47:20,820 --> 00:47:24,980
Because it is fight night between Jordan the

851
00:47:24,980 --> 00:47:28,890
Gender Bender and, Marie the Blood Vendor.

852
00:47:31,290 --> 00:47:33,850
>> Will: Yeah, I like. I had to say, I do like the name the

853
00:47:33,850 --> 00:47:34,570
blood Vendor.

854
00:47:35,610 --> 00:47:39,210
>> Sarah : See, I don't. I don't like either name. I'm just.

855
00:47:39,770 --> 00:47:42,290
And I like how I wrote Vendor, not bender

856
00:47:42,290 --> 00:47:44,090
accidentally. That was a typo.

857
00:47:44,780 --> 00:47:45,070
>> Will: Yeah.

858
00:47:45,070 --> 00:47:47,780
>> Sarah : because this is, this is what they did. this is

859
00:47:47,780 --> 00:47:53,580
how Vought, ah, Vought, ah, changes the game

860
00:47:53,740 --> 00:47:57,190
because just when Jordan thinks that they, have

861
00:47:57,190 --> 00:48:00,070
the upper hand and reveal the truth about what

862
00:48:00,070 --> 00:48:02,710
happened, to.

863
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:05,430
>> Will: Kate. Yeah.

864
00:48:05,590 --> 00:48:10,070
>> Sarah : Nope, not well, Kate. Yeah. Yeah, to Kate. they.

865
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:14,010
They, they say, oh, no, now. Now, since you've.

866
00:48:14,010 --> 00:48:16,900
You've decided to expose that, you were actually

867
00:48:16,900 --> 00:48:20,410
the one, we're gonna crucify you, call you a liar,

868
00:48:20,410 --> 00:48:23,780
and then have your girlfriend, beat you up and,

869
00:48:23,940 --> 00:48:27,220
and hopefully kill you. Hopefully kill you. Like,

870
00:48:27,380 --> 00:48:31,260
call spade a spade. Hopefully kill you. And. And

871
00:48:31,260 --> 00:48:36,350
it's just, you know, this episode, and we're just

872
00:48:36,350 --> 00:48:38,470
gonna start with Cypher because we have to.

873
00:48:38,980 --> 00:48:42,480
because I said it last week, I was like, I. I

874
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,360
think there's a high, high chance that he is

875
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,200
human. And for a moment there, everyone thought he

876
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:54,040
was. Because Marie told us so. Yep, Marie told us

877
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,640
so. And now we're. I was just like, well, duh.

878
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,180
And. And then at the very end, because they

879
00:49:01,180 --> 00:49:05,140
continue to do this with Cypher, and I'm saying it

880
00:49:05,140 --> 00:49:07,580
right now that you can only do this so many times.

881
00:49:07,580 --> 00:49:12,700
Okay. They continue to try to make it seem like,

882
00:49:13,820 --> 00:49:17,980
like Kate, Kate and friends, because Kate gets

883
00:49:17,980 --> 00:49:21,830
converted somewhat in this episode, have the upper

884
00:49:21,830 --> 00:49:25,520
hand only to be like, no, because watch this. I'm

885
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,880
going. Because Jordan and Marie are about to

886
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,240
fight. They are kissing instead. And then Cypher

887
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:36,040
takes over Jordan's body and immediately it's

888
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:43,280
fight on. And. And Cypher, I love it when he's

889
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,320
like meat puppet. Just meat puppet. With. With no

890
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,080
strings. And no strings. And it. And it is pretty

891
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,720
terrifying. but it also made Sense. Because you

892
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:57,440
brought it up last week with the X Men. It's like,

893
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,600
well, if he's supposed to be Professor X. And of

894
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:04,040
course, of course he's, he's a, he has that

895
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:11,880
ability. But it's also. How strong do you think it

896
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:16,160
is? Because it gets to a point like he, he does

897
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,640
it, but it's not a long period of time. I feel

898
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:24,150
like Kate has held on to people and been able to

899
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:29,770
manipulate them longer than him. and, and I don't

900
00:50:29,770 --> 00:50:33,370
know what causes it, but he eventually loses. And

901
00:50:33,370 --> 00:50:37,840
I think it's because Jordan switches at some point

902
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:43,280
and, and then it like cuts the link and that

903
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:48,970
allows Marie to also not kill them.

904
00:50:49,850 --> 00:50:53,290
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Or he, or he, you know, because I

905
00:50:53,290 --> 00:50:55,890
don't. Yeah, because. Yeah, because he definitely

906
00:50:55,890 --> 00:50:59,290
had control of Jordan.

907
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:04,760
>> Will: and, and maybe, you know, and, and maybe in, in

908
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,680
the pushing of Marie and the test, you know,

909
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,150
because they, you know, because the first, you

910
00:51:11,150 --> 00:51:13,750
know, he was like, don't, but you know, don't,

911
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,220
don't. Don't kill the Elon. Don't kill Elon. I

912
00:51:17,220 --> 00:51:18,980
can't remember the exact line, but.

913
00:51:19,220 --> 00:51:21,100
>> Sarah : Yeah, don't kill Elon Musk.

914
00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:25,219
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but don't kill the goat. you

915
00:51:25,219 --> 00:51:30,060
know, she, you know, whenever she saw the V. Well,

916
00:51:30,060 --> 00:51:32,460
when she saw the veins and realized that there was

917
00:51:32,460 --> 00:51:36,860
no V going through there, she lost control here, I

918
00:51:36,860 --> 00:51:41,140
think by literally bringing Jordan to the brink of

919
00:51:41,140 --> 00:51:45,490
her bursting them. I think it did. Yeah, I think

920
00:51:45,490 --> 00:51:48,130
it did get Cipher to do what she, what he's been

921
00:51:48,130 --> 00:51:50,170
wanting her to do, which is learn that control.

922
00:51:50,970 --> 00:51:53,660
>> Sarah : Oh yeah. I mean that, that was pretty obvious

923
00:51:53,740 --> 00:51:55,900
because of the blood day comparison.

924
00:51:56,540 --> 00:51:57,500
>> Will: Yeah. So.

925
00:51:57,580 --> 00:52:02,780
>> Sarah : But what do you. So But I still don't know about

926
00:52:02,940 --> 00:52:07,180
his, his own ability and how, how strong he is.

927
00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:10,760
>> Will: I think he's pretty strong. Maybe not Kate strong.

928
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,560
I mean, even though Kate's been nerfed this

929
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,440
season, you know. You know, for obvious reasons

930
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:14,760
because,

931
00:52:15,230 --> 00:52:16,690
>> Sarah : But needed to happen.

932
00:52:17,410 --> 00:52:22,020
>> Will: Yeah. but it. I think he's still pretty strong or,

933
00:52:22,819 --> 00:52:24,660
you know, and I guess I've seen some, you know,

934
00:52:24,660 --> 00:52:26,900
I've seen some theories out there that maybe, you

935
00:52:26,900 --> 00:52:30,700
know, the he's just a conduit for, for his father.

936
00:52:31,180 --> 00:52:35,940
>> Sarah : Yeah. See I. There, I think and I was thinking

937
00:52:35,940 --> 00:52:39,360
this too. And especially when they discover, when

938
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:44,600
they discovered the hyper chamber, I, I was

939
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:49,400
thinking, okay, so if he's human, then the person

940
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:55,960
in the chamber obviously is. Is, a soup. and say.

941
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,360
I was gonna say meta.

942
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:58,640
>> Will: Yeah.

943
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,880
>> Sarah : For A moment. I was like, it's not a meta in this

944
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,460
universe. It's called a soup. Something else. So

945
00:53:04,460 --> 00:53:04,940
is this.

946
00:53:05,900 --> 00:53:07,980
>> Will: Yeah, unless Cypher's a soup. But I've also.

947
00:53:08,220 --> 00:53:12,620
>> Sarah : Yeah, no, no, but. But cipher. Cipher is a soup.

948
00:53:12,620 --> 00:53:17,220
But they. There's still something that's not

949
00:53:17,220 --> 00:53:20,420
adding up. And I think that's why there's still

950
00:53:20,420 --> 00:53:24,340
speculation, because there's a reason why Marie

951
00:53:24,340 --> 00:53:28,820
thought he couldn't sense the Gen V. So. And

952
00:53:28,820 --> 00:53:33,190
there's also a reason why he was a part of,

953
00:53:33,620 --> 00:53:41,190
Odessa, which is tied into giving babies, Gen V

954
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:45,590
and also tied into. And I really liked this. This

955
00:53:45,590 --> 00:53:49,230
point that they brought up creating someone more

956
00:53:49,230 --> 00:53:50,790
powerful than Homelander.

957
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:51,750
>> Will: Homelander, yeah.

958
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:54,310
>> Sarah : Because. Because if you think about it, Vought

959
00:53:54,310 --> 00:53:57,630
hates Homelander as much as anybody else. And. And

960
00:53:57,630 --> 00:54:01,550
they're all about creating control. Homelander is

961
00:54:01,550 --> 00:54:04,510
not someone they can control. We've watched four

962
00:54:04,510 --> 00:54:09,390
seasons of the Boys, made very clear that, yep,

963
00:54:09,550 --> 00:54:13,590
there's only so much control you can have over him

964
00:54:13,590 --> 00:54:16,070
because the moment you have it, he then does

965
00:54:16,070 --> 00:54:21,270
something and suddenly you're dead. So. So, yeah,

966
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:27,490
there. I. I think that I. I buy into the potential

967
00:54:27,490 --> 00:54:30,810
for it to be a conduit, but there is definitely a

968
00:54:30,810 --> 00:54:34,170
link between. And more. And I'm not talking just

969
00:54:34,170 --> 00:54:36,810
like, father, son. There's. There's some kind of

970
00:54:36,810 --> 00:54:41,250
connection there. Because in that state, why would

971
00:54:41,250 --> 00:54:44,380
you keep your. Your, father alive?

972
00:54:45,020 --> 00:54:46,980
>> Will: Yeah, because, you know, when I saw the hyperbaric

973
00:54:46,980 --> 00:54:49,180
chamber, I thought, okay, I felt Back to episode

974
00:54:49,180 --> 00:54:52,370
one, you know, 1967, where we see Godolkin, like.

975
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:53,080
Like, you know.

976
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,080
>> Sarah : Yeah, me too. Yep.

977
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,880
>> Will: Yeah, so. So either, you know, so I thought maybe

978
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,160
it's either cipher is. Is. You know, we, you know,

979
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,080
we. We think. I'm pretty sure it's probably

980
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:09,450
Godolkin. yeah, you know, he just got burnt up.

981
00:55:09,450 --> 00:55:13,880
And, And so. So I, you know, it's either or, you

982
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,880
know, give. So there's that. So I thought maybe,

983
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,310
you know, another thing with no V, no blue ve, you

984
00:55:20,310 --> 00:55:22,350
know, going through cypress veins. You know, I

985
00:55:22,350 --> 00:55:24,630
thought about compound V as far as, like, to your

986
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:27,510
point about duration, you know, like, built like

987
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:30,990
butcher and used it. So I thought about that.

988
00:55:30,990 --> 00:55:33,710
There's also another. I think there's another

989
00:55:33,790 --> 00:55:39,460
compound, that they may have discovered. So,

990
00:55:39,620 --> 00:55:40,510
Because I noticed.

991
00:55:40,910 --> 00:55:48,420
>> Sarah : And there's. There's also that line, about. About

992
00:55:48,580 --> 00:55:52,260
miracles. Like, when. When he's training Marie,

993
00:55:52,900 --> 00:55:57,340
he. And she asked him, what happens if I can do

994
00:55:57,340 --> 00:56:02,060
it? And she says, miracles beyond your wildest

995
00:56:02,060 --> 00:56:05,220
imagination. And my mind instantly goes Back to

996
00:56:05,220 --> 00:56:09,380
like. Because we saw this in season one too. She,

997
00:56:09,540 --> 00:56:12,100
as much as she can kill, she can also heal.

998
00:56:12,830 --> 00:56:13,230
>> Will: Yep.

999
00:56:13,260 --> 00:56:19,180
>> Sarah : like, like, so her abilities can also potentially

1000
00:56:19,180 --> 00:56:25,460
heal his father if desired. So. Yeah, there's

1001
00:56:25,460 --> 00:56:29,420
something there too, that the pieces, they're

1002
00:56:29,420 --> 00:56:33,380
doing a very good job of. Granted, it's only four

1003
00:56:33,380 --> 00:56:38,790
episodes so far, half of the season, but I, I'm

1004
00:56:38,790 --> 00:56:41,470
not frustrated. I'm just still curious.

1005
00:56:41,950 --> 00:56:42,350
>> Will: Yeah.

1006
00:56:42,350 --> 00:56:45,910
>> Sarah : I'm like, okay, okay, we're, we're, we're getting

1007
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:48,860
a little bit more and more, which keeps my

1008
00:56:48,860 --> 00:56:49,140
interest.

1009
00:56:49,780 --> 00:56:51,900
>> Will: Totally, totally. I didn't. You know, I'm glad you

1010
00:56:51,900 --> 00:56:53,980
brought that point up about the healing I had. I

1011
00:56:53,980 --> 00:56:55,860
have forgotten that that was one of her abilities.

1012
00:56:55,940 --> 00:56:58,820
And that make, you know, even to me, you know,

1013
00:56:59,220 --> 00:57:01,980
because to your point about having. I'm just

1014
00:57:01,980 --> 00:57:04,980
trying, you know, when I think about Vault having,

1015
00:57:06,710 --> 00:57:09,270
you know, fail safe for Homelander, you know,

1016
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:11,350
given that, the history that we know about Vault,

1017
00:57:11,350 --> 00:57:12,670
I'm just trying to like, wrap m. My head around

1018
00:57:12,670 --> 00:57:15,510
them having a black woman about the fail safe for

1019
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:18,920
a Homelander. given. Given all we know about the

1020
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,800
Company and, And also how they all just. But, you

1021
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,360
know, but again, everybody's a commodity, so, you

1022
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:29,320
know, as long as you are, you know, an asset to

1023
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,160
them, they don't care what you are. I mean, let me

1024
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:36,860
look how they treated Jordan. or Kate. Yeah. so

1025
00:57:37,500 --> 00:57:37,900
which.

1026
00:57:37,980 --> 00:57:41,020
>> Sarah : But speaking about those two characters, what are

1027
00:57:41,020 --> 00:57:44,260
your thoughts on the scene that they shared?

1028
00:57:44,260 --> 00:57:46,539
Because this is the first real conversation

1029
00:57:46,539 --> 00:57:49,180
they're having after Jordan tries to kill Kate.

1030
00:57:50,060 --> 00:57:54,380
But also, again, much like I was talking last week

1031
00:57:54,380 --> 00:57:59,450
with the Jordan Sam scene. Yeah, we. You almost

1032
00:57:59,530 --> 00:58:05,130
forget everyone, like, these two knew each other

1033
00:58:05,770 --> 00:58:10,170
since freshman year. They were friends way before

1034
00:58:10,170 --> 00:58:12,970
Marie, way before Emma. And there's a history.

1035
00:58:13,130 --> 00:58:17,370
There's a shared history. And that's also why the

1036
00:58:17,370 --> 00:58:22,860
betrayal of Kate hit so hard. and I, I love that

1037
00:58:22,860 --> 00:58:25,460
line. Like, I think I'm gonna be mad at you

1038
00:58:25,460 --> 00:58:25,940
forever.

1039
00:58:26,700 --> 00:58:27,100
>> Will: Yeah.

1040
00:58:27,100 --> 00:58:30,940
>> Sarah : And that sucks. Be. And, And I just. The, the

1041
00:58:30,940 --> 00:58:37,020
whole conversation just is like very much young

1042
00:58:37,260 --> 00:58:42,860
friends who are going through things. And like,

1043
00:58:43,180 --> 00:58:45,820
what I'm getting at is there was an air of

1044
00:58:45,820 --> 00:58:50,380
authenticity in this very up universe and

1045
00:58:50,380 --> 00:58:51,260
circumstance.

1046
00:58:52,620 --> 00:58:55,060
>> Will: Yeah, that, that, that, yeah, that nails it. I

1047
00:58:55,060 --> 00:58:57,610
mean, I can't really add anything more to it than

1048
00:58:57,610 --> 00:59:00,730
what you just shared because it, it did feel that

1049
00:59:00,730 --> 00:59:04,500
authentic. you know, where. Yeah, there. Yeah. and

1050
00:59:05,060 --> 00:59:08,340
so, so, yeah, I mean, I really enjoy that scene. I

1051
00:59:08,340 --> 00:59:11,979
mean, it made, it made sense in the m. Context of

1052
00:59:11,979 --> 00:59:14,270
everything they, Both lost. I mean, they lost

1053
00:59:14,270 --> 00:59:17,360
Andre, they've lost, Sam's brother. I mean, you

1054
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:21,050
know, so. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's just. It really,

1055
00:59:21,050 --> 00:59:23,730
really worked really well and it made, it made

1056
00:59:23,730 --> 00:59:26,450
sense. Like, okay, we'll have, you know, in order

1057
00:59:26,450 --> 00:59:29,850
to like help us all here, we'll have to just get

1058
00:59:29,850 --> 00:59:33,890
past what we know. All, all the, all of this, all

1059
00:59:33,890 --> 00:59:36,610
the up things has happened. Let's just go to this

1060
00:59:36,610 --> 00:59:39,930
house and. And find out, you know, what's. What's

1061
00:59:39,930 --> 00:59:40,810
the deal with Cypher?

1062
00:59:41,290 --> 00:59:42,810
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1063
00:59:42,810 --> 00:59:45,730
>> Will: But. But to your point, it was just believable for

1064
00:59:45,730 --> 00:59:46,490
them to do that.

1065
00:59:46,970 --> 00:59:52,730
>> Sarah : Yeah. And then meanwhile, Emma is trying to not

1066
00:59:52,730 --> 00:59:57,400
only, get her gang of star lighters together and

1067
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:02,360
try to encourage them, but also she tries to have

1068
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:06,780
them teach her about her own powers because, she.

1069
01:00:06,780 --> 01:00:10,180
She still doesn't know quite, quite what it is.

1070
01:00:10,180 --> 01:00:15,140
Like, like she's circling again. and, and you

1071
01:00:15,140 --> 01:00:20,470
know, we all know how much I love Emma. Right. And

1072
01:00:20,470 --> 01:00:26,590
so to go back 25 or half hour when I was talking

1073
01:00:26,590 --> 01:00:34,030
about. I think that's like the comparison how Emma

1074
01:00:34,030 --> 01:00:38,830
is being used right now. She's very much a part of

1075
01:00:38,830 --> 01:00:42,390
the main thread, but also clearly working through

1076
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:46,180
something else, with the Starlighters and also her

1077
01:00:46,260 --> 01:00:52,300
learning her own abilities. So. So before that's

1078
01:00:52,300 --> 01:00:55,300
kind of what I wanted. More of a season two

1079
01:00:55,620 --> 01:00:58,340
Abadayo and maybe we'll get that in season three

1080
01:00:59,060 --> 01:01:02,260
was more about that where it's like these

1081
01:01:02,340 --> 01:01:06,820
characters, Gen V with their ensemble and, and I

1082
01:01:06,820 --> 01:01:11,030
know Peacemaker Chris, like it is a show about

1083
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:14,750
Peacemaker to very different. I mean this Gen V is

1084
01:01:14,750 --> 01:01:21,690
not called Marie. so. So I understand that but I

1085
01:01:21,690 --> 01:01:26,090
think that when you have an ensemble with

1086
01:01:26,090 --> 01:01:30,770
characters that, that are really fleshed out, you

1087
01:01:30,770 --> 01:01:33,850
can leverage it so much in your advantage if you

1088
01:01:33,850 --> 01:01:37,340
explore those characters. But it's very, very

1089
01:01:37,340 --> 01:01:40,660
tactfully because you can't also. It has to be

1090
01:01:40,660 --> 01:01:47,360
connected yet also, just well executed well enough

1091
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,000
to where it's like, oh yeah, we can spend a few

1092
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,600
minutes over here. That's not distracting from

1093
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,840
what, what overall is going on because it's not.

1094
01:01:57,930 --> 01:02:02,010
albeit I also wasn't a fan of her storyline

1095
01:02:02,090 --> 01:02:05,990
because she had some of the. More. I don't, I

1096
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:09,500
don't like calling them, What. What do we normally

1097
01:02:09,500 --> 01:02:10,060
call them?

1098
01:02:10,540 --> 01:02:12,460
>> Will: Oh, like the comic relief as far as.

1099
01:02:12,700 --> 01:02:16,060
>> Sarah : No, not comic release. I, I find Emma hilarious.

1100
01:02:16,300 --> 01:02:20,220
More about the, like the toilet sequence.

1101
01:02:20,780 --> 01:02:23,860
>> Will: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, it's truly

1102
01:02:23,860 --> 01:02:24,500
totally humor.

1103
01:02:24,500 --> 01:02:28,700
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. I just. It's just. It's not even the,

1104
01:02:28,700 --> 01:02:31,670
the humor is part about it. It's just like, okay,

1105
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:36,630
there's a dick. Got it. Butt shakes. I don't. We.

1106
01:02:36,790 --> 01:02:38,070
Can we just move on?

1107
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:41,950
>> Will: Yeah, I think, you know, they gotta have like, you

1108
01:02:41,950 --> 01:02:45,070
know, it is, it is, it is this. You know, we know

1109
01:02:45,070 --> 01:02:47,900
in this unit, in this world of the boys, there's

1110
01:02:47,900 --> 01:02:50,100
always going to be at least one or two scenes per

1111
01:02:50,100 --> 01:02:52,020
episode. I think it's in the contract that they

1112
01:02:52,020 --> 01:02:54,580
got to do something. Some gross out, you know,

1113
01:02:54,580 --> 01:02:57,550
moments, you know. So. Yeah, so it was Emma's turn

1114
01:02:57,550 --> 01:02:58,030
this week.

1115
01:02:58,670 --> 01:03:02,270
>> Sarah : Yeah. Because between that and then Bushmaster.

1116
01:03:02,830 --> 01:03:03,870
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

1117
01:03:03,870 --> 01:03:05,550
>> Sarah : Which actually is kind of funny.

1118
01:03:05,550 --> 01:03:10,030
>> Will: But it was pretty funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1119
01:03:10,030 --> 01:03:12,270
whatever. Yeah, that was a, that was a funny,

1120
01:03:12,270 --> 01:03:14,430
funny, funny moment. Especially like when they

1121
01:03:14,430 --> 01:03:16,110
were like the Medusa and all that.

1122
01:03:16,110 --> 01:03:20,270
>> Sarah : I was like, yeah, well, I just like, well, not my

1123
01:03:20,270 --> 01:03:20,670
hair.

1124
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,480
>> Will: Okay. I was like, okay, yeah, I got it, I got it,

1125
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,440
I got it. That, between that and the guy, the

1126
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:37,720
guard, the garden gnome. But yeah, so yeah, our

1127
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,560
two moments there, you know, speaking of Kate's

1128
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:45,020
powers getting nerfed. But yeah, yeah.

1129
01:03:45,020 --> 01:03:48,300
>> Sarah : All right, well, I think that's it for us tonight.

1130
01:03:48,380 --> 01:03:50,260
Will, why don't you tell our listeners where they

1131
01:03:50,260 --> 01:03:51,020
can find you?

1132
01:03:51,820 --> 01:03:55,310
>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at. Ah,

1133
01:03:55,310 --> 01:03:59,440
Will and Polk. W I L L M P O L K. And you can

1134
01:03:59,440 --> 01:03:59,600
find.

1135
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:03,080
>> Sarah : Me there too at SJ Belmont S J B L M O N T. Please

1136
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,320
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1137
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:08,320
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1138
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,200
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1139
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,160
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1140
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:16,720
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1141
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:18,800
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1142
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:20,520
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1143
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:21,600
Geek out. You're welcome.

1144
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:52,770
>> Will: Sam.

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>> Sarah : Foreign. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host,

2
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Sarah Belmont, and with me, as always, is our Mr.

3
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Producer, will Will Polk How are you doing

4
00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:16,000
tonight, Will?

5
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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. How you doing this

6
00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:18,640
evening?

7
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>> Sarah : I'm not doing it again, so we're just gonna move

8
00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:23,640
forward. We're gonna, Move forward. See, I knew

9
00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:25,240
that was gonna happen the moment you're like, no,

10
00:00:25,240 --> 00:00:27,640
we'll just do it again. You'll be fine. I was

11
00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,340
like, oh, no, it's, it's there and it's just

12
00:00:31,340 --> 00:00:33,020
gonna, it's just gonna get worse.

13
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>> Will: No, no, no, it's not gonna get worse because we

14
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have three amazing episodes we have to talk about

15
00:00:38,900 --> 00:00:41,340
with our two shows with Peacemaker. We're back

16
00:00:41,740 --> 00:00:45,660
covering it again tonight and also Gen V. So it's,

17
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it's, it could only go up from here.

18
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>> Sarah : No, no, I don't mean that can get worse. I mean

19
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like the way I say the line. So if you were. Yeah,

20
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that's, that's what I meant. I wasn't talking

21
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about the show in general at all.

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>> Will: Okay, fair enough, fair enough.

23
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>> Sarah : But as you've already started our topics, so we

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will go into Peacemaker. Season two, Episode five,

25
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Back to the Suture. Red's ritual reveals Eagly's

26
00:01:12,340 --> 00:01:14,860
location while Flight confronts Peacemaker. As

27
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Peacemaker makes a life changing choice, Adebayo

28
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and Vigilante try to unite the 11th Street Street

29
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Kids. starts back, starts with flashback, Rick

30
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Flag Junior's funeral, with Harcourt and Rick

31
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Flake Senior. And she says to him, well, he says

32
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to her, he loved you as a friend along with

33
00:01:36,890 --> 00:01:40,730
whatever else, and that's different, and I'll look

34
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out for you the best I can. And then she in turn

35
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says, person who did this, they'll pay and I'll

36
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make sure of it. And so I continue to be just

37
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utterly confused about Harcourt. So it's just,

38
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it's just now that I'm thinking about that scene,

39
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I had forgotten about it because of everything

40
00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:14,700
that happens in episode six. I, I guess, I guess

41
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it was in the heat of the moment she said it. She

42
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didn't really mean it though, because obviously

43
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she hasn't done anything about the person who

44
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killed him. So.

45
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>> Will: Yeah, well, I mean, it was heated a moment and

46
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obviously, you know, clearly this was at the

47
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funeral. So it was. If you. Also in that scene, it

48
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was before she was, you know, she was just, just

49
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gotten assigned to the 11th. Well then become the

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11th street kid. Yeah, but, yeah, so. So at that

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friends and, and so, yeah, so it all makes sense

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obviously she was trying to get back in the good

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graces of, of trying to get a job and just get her

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job back and, and, and all that. But but at the

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know, he's Matt, he is, he is trying to like find

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an answer to, to the, what, you know, from her,

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what happened that night on the, on the boat. And

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finding that out. Especially after he came back

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from the other dimension to, you know, to, to get

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with the whole gang ready there to take the, to

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we get again, we did see Chris's like tactical

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skills and stuff. Knowing that, you know, it is a

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big Open space. And I mean he. I guess he did on

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some way did pick up on the queue as far as

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>> Will: Mark there, he was using all the people as As

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decoys and stuff. So. And protect himself. So even

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though Hardcore was giving him grief about it, he

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>> Sarah : Is there, Is there in. In relation to this

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episode, is there anything else Hardcore and

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reinforces the. The. The. It was really. It's

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really just a foundational piece that really does

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the springboard for the. You know, for the. The.

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saving his life and you know, we learn more about

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there anything else you want to talk specifically

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about them? I knew that there was other stuff in

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the. In the thing because to. We. We'll get back

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to Adrian and Adio. But Eagly. I. I've come to

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don't. I don't like the. I didn't. I. I. It just.

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plot and I all. All I can also think is to go back

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great moments with Adebayo and Adrian, but they're

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so small and in between. And then there's these

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long seque with what's his name? Red St. Wild and

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Eagle. And I'm just like, yeah, why? Like it

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doesn't feel balanced. especially with Adebayo

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her character has been so underutilized and, and

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you're dealing with an ensemble. Not everybody can

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background placing ads inadvertently to

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prostitute. which is great, but a part of me will.

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meet with this person? And are we gonna have this

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whole other. No, that didn't happen because we had

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to deal with Eagly. And then meanwhile, they have

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guess it's just. It doesn't, With a character like

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strong with Chris that I just wish she was given

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more of it or is given more to like, flesh out

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really what's going on with her. and I feel as

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he closes it behind him and he writes a letter. I,

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guess the, the Cheetos, you know, it was the

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giveaway with him. But yeah, yeah, but, Yeah, but,

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months or something, all together, it felt like a

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feel like a team. I. She placed an ad, but it's

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her agency, and obviously, like, Chris is her

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number one employee at the moment, so. Which is

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she's the glue. As all of these people are going

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because there ain't no way in hell it's going to

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>> Will: Nope.

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>> Will: Just a Cheeto Marks.

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>> Sarah : Okay, so Whoever wrote this IMDb got that line

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wrong because I was like, I don't. I don't think

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he did anything.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Meanwhile, Vigilante takes on the role of

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protecting Abaday from threats that lurk within

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it. Okay, who wrote this? This makes no sense.

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>> Will: Anything. Yeah, because they were all like, you

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know, he was like, hell bent on, like, let's go.

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In the prior episode. Let's do this. Let's go to

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another dimension. And even when it got there, you

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know, it was like, no.

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>> Sarah : But Vigilante was, like, crying at the thought of

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never seeing his best friend again. And then when

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he realizes where his best friend go, he's like,

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maybe I can be another me in there. Maybe he. He

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was hell bent on that. yeah, but. Yeah, I just. I

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want to continue on this thought. And so, yeah,

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we're gonna jump to the end, because something

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that I found very, albeit unsettling is we have

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spent time in this other place. So. And I don't.

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And I don't know. And. But you definitely didn't

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tell me if you had heard this theory that the. The

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shoe that drops is the fact that, the other world

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is run by Nazis. So what does it. And. And what.

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My. My question is. And what I found unsettling is

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the fact that I didn't hear anybody theorize that.

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So what does that tell. Say. What does that say

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about the viewer that they. They, much like Chris,

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didn't see it and had to have it pointed out by

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Harcourt to be like. Yeah, they're.

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>> Sarah : like there. There are no people of color at all.

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Ah. What?

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Will: So. Yeah, well, this is. I think there were some

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people theorizing and some people did after

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episode six dropped. and I'm. I, did. Some people

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did have some receipts where they did a few weeks

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ago call it.

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>> Sarah : Okay. Okay.

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>> Will: Yeah, there were some out there. and I did. I was

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talking to, like, maybe last week I was talking to

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someone, right prior to the episode or. Yeah,

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that. That. That was their theory, but. But I

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think they were just repeating something they had

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seen on the. Then they spend a whole hell of a lot

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more time on social media than I do these days,

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so. Oh, yeah, I. I had complete. I did not. I did

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not. You know, we always. You know, going back to

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episode three, I, I went back just to just make

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sure. I was like. I listened to our discussion

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that, Because that was the episode. He spent a lot

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of time right in there, and we both, like, you

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know, we knew something was off.

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>> Sarah : Right.

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>> Will: But I think. But, you know, I think we were

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really. I know I was really focused on, you know,

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a lot of just the export. Chris's exploration, you

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know. You know, as far as learning more about

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himself, you know, be the best dimension ever, you

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know, and him being. All the adulation he was

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getting as a hero. so. So I did. You know.

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>> Sarah : You didn't clock it.

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>> Will: I didn't clock it. And honestly, it was almost

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like the Friends phenomenon.

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>> Sarah : The Friends phenomenon.

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>> Will: Yeah. You know, as far as. Just like a media. Like

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the fact that.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: That there were no other people of color cast in.

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In that universe, and it's sort of like. It's just

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one of those things, you know, it wasn't like, you

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know, as a. As A African American viewer. You

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know, I try to like, you know, I sometimes, you

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know, try to like, you know, sometimes I pick up

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on these things, but a lot of times, like, you

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know, you may not. And then also, you know, and it

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was sort of like, you know, it was kind of like

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Chris where. Or, or in his own way, whenever, you

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know, Horker was trying to explain it to him, he

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was, you know, in a backhanded way, it was like, I

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don't, I don't see color, you know, that kind of

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comment or whatever. Yeah, so.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: Ah, you know, so. So it was, it was like. And

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something, you know, and we'll get into it with,

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with Gen V. But I mean, it's just sort of how like

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things in the media are done and portrayed that

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you just sort of like subconsciously or

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consciously, it's just like, yeah, you know,

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something's off, but you don't. But until it was

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like, it has.

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>> Sarah : To be pointed out to you because she was.

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>> Will: Yeah, she was clocky. Yeah, go ahead.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, it was to, to your point, like the Friends

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phenomenon or. I, I think Seinfeld is another good

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example of it. But there, there are a lot of, A

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lot of shows that are big successes and then you

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look at the cast and you're like, not a single

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person of color.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : what is that? And, and it's just so, so. And I

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think that, I think James Gunn knew that and

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that's why this works. I will say though, as, as

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like, oh, okay. and it's just because if this show

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had come out with this last year, probably would

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be a different point, different conversation. I'd

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probably be at more. But my mind instantly goes to

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the first episode of paradise and I'm like, yep,

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I'm sorry, you've already been trumped. So that

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was so good. So, so it's just. But, but I think

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also. And another smart thing he did is. And I

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think I did point this out in an earlier

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conversation. With all the time that Chris has

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spent in the other universe, we have yet to really

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see him have a one on one conversation with his

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dad.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And if I recall correctly, it is made clear in the

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first season of Peacemaker that his dad, is a

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racist. Oh, yeah, yeah. And. Oh, yeah, full KKK

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member and all that. So, so that, so the, the

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moment the reveal happened, and then I was like,

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okay, that makes sense. Because his dad is. Yeah,

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like, like things are the same, but just different

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enough. And as we saw when, Harcourt was driving

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with Keith and all of the. The names of the bands

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were slightly different. And then the. Every

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Cheerios. Was a great one. I like Cheerios.

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>> Will: Yeah. And then. And then also like the Sons of

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Liberty was another like good red herring too as

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far as, it was again like calling them a terrorist

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group and you know, and thinking like, you know,

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because I remember our conversation about the Sons

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of Liberty.

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>> Will: And you know, at other. In. In our Earth, in. In

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Earth prime in the DC Universe, you know, they

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are, you know, they are the anti terrorists. They

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are terrorist group and stuff. So, you know, so

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it's just like. Okay, makes makes sense why Chris

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was like, you know, while they were doing things

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and, and, and. And all. Especially now when we

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learn like, you know, you know that they are

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guessing. I guess the. The in. In Earth X, which

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Which also, you know, we did visit Earth X in the

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Arrowverse, with the Crisis on Earth X, crossover,

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you know, we Makes sense why the Sons of Liberty

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on Earth X are, you know, what will be at least,

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you know, the analog to our world is, you know,

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antifa, which was, you know, as far as in the

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classical sense, as far as anti fascist. So, you

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know, for more.

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>> Sarah : Does it.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Does it make sense that Adrian is a part of them?

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Can we just go there? Can we just go to Vigilante?

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Visual. Oh my God. Visual. This. This is

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Vigilantes episode. And that's m. One of the.

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Probably the predominant reason why I love this

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episode is because he like they've been holding

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them back and I'm just like. I'm like, I'm waiting

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for it. I'm waiting for it. And. And it comes like

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from start to finish because, this episode is

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really structured on the crew because Abbadio

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memorized everything that Chris did to set up the

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doorway they were able to reopen, which was

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something that did go. Crossed my mind. I'm just

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like, Chris, your whole plan hinged on the fact

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that nobody else could like make the doorway. And

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yet you practically showed AB how to do it. Like,

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So. And. And the whole time Adrian is, Well, they

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first have to find a new doorway. And so we

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finally, finally get to go to Adrian's mom's house

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because that's where he lives. And we finally meet

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the lovely mother vigilante and she is delightful

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and Adrian treats her like, And. And she just

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takes it with a smile. And I think that was the

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best part of it is that she's so used to it that

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she's Numb. But not. Not in the. It wasn't her.

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Her whole presence wasn't on the nose as it could

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have been. So I. I give props to Gun for. For the

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writing of that character and that relationship.

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Then it's revealed in his secret room that he's

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been storing all of the blood money and cocaine.

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And like, this is. This is what I. I find so

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interesting about him is that he is a straight up

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killer, yet he will not use the money or the

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cocaine, and he will also not return it to the

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police because who knows what they'll do with it.

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It's like, dude, so. So we go there and. And he

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keeps. Keeps saying, like, this idea of meeting

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another version of him. And. And we get it. And

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they do the Spider man meme.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : And he, he. He. He's just a delightful person

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going through his house in the other world and

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skipping and all of this stuff. And. And we meet

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Adrian 2.0, or Adrian X, whatever we want to call

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him. And it is, like looking in a mirror up until

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the point where it's revealed that on earth, X,

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Vigilante is not Peacemaker's best friend. In

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fact, that is his, his enemy. and. And that's

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where they leave that conversation is just that

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revelation that. Nope, the. The one thing that

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would really, crush Adrian to find out that on

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this other Earth, like everything else, he's like,

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yes, yes, we're. We're looking in the mirror. And

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then the one thing he really wanted, it's like,

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nope, nope, you got it backwards. We. We. I hate

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Peacemaker. I hate that guy. And it's like, okay,

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Adrian's like, we gotta get out. We gotta get out

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now.

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>> Will: We gotta get out now.

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>> Sarah : I can't take this world.

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>> Will: Yeah. He needs adequately, like, you know, go, go,

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go cry in her arms again. Because he's gonna. He's

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probably crushed.

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>> Sarah : See, I. I feel like she just would tell him, I

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told you so.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I told you so. Yeah. Anything you wanted to add in

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about Vigilante?

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>> Will: No, I mean that, that. The whole. No, I. I mean,

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there's really not much more we could add there.

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other. Well. Oh, the other one other thing too,

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was just his little fantasy of, with the hardcore,

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where. You know. Yeah. The whole lie. Yeah. Ah,

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yeah. It's like again, you're. To your. Else. I

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was thinking that about that as you're talking

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about how. How well written the mom character was.

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because that, you know, that that bit could have

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really gone. I think I heard. Who. I heard someone

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mention this on their interview. I was watching

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that. you know, sometimes, you know, you need.

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James Gunn needs to direct James Gunn scripts.

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Because in the hands of another director, I don't

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know if that bit would have worked as well if. If

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he hadn't directed, you know, episode six. because

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he just. Yeah, I think he just knows what tone

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that he, That he wants there. And into. Your

529
00:30:11,019 --> 00:30:13,260
point, you know, that that's another scene with.

530
00:30:13,260 --> 00:30:16,060
With. With the whole vigilante piece that I

531
00:30:16,060 --> 00:30:17,790
thought was just pretty funny and just sort of,

532
00:30:17,740 --> 00:30:19,900
Again, the dynamic with. With. With the 11th

533
00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:22,510
Street Kids, maybe for,

534
00:30:22,810 --> 00:30:26,730
>> Sarah : For me, I just think. Well, another director made

535
00:30:26,730 --> 00:30:30,290
the tone bird blindness work for me, so.

536
00:30:34,130 --> 00:30:37,290
>> Will: I guess it was. That's right. It was the third.

537
00:30:37,290 --> 00:30:39,330
Yeah. Yes, it was the other. Yeah, that's right.

538
00:30:39,330 --> 00:30:39,730
That's right.

539
00:30:39,730 --> 00:30:42,010
>> Sarah : This was the first episode he directed of the

540
00:30:42,010 --> 00:30:42,290
season.

541
00:30:43,330 --> 00:30:46,050
>> Will: No, he directed the first Thing two, I think.

542
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:46,840
>> Sarah : Okay.

543
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,920
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Then he did step away.

544
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,970
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. this is also the first episode without

545
00:30:54,970 --> 00:30:59,250
a flashback. and this is the first time that I've

546
00:30:59,250 --> 00:31:02,810
actually. I watched episode five on Wednesday

547
00:31:02,890 --> 00:31:05,930
night, and then I watched episode six on Thursday

548
00:31:06,010 --> 00:31:09,690
night. And, yeah, we've already talked about the

549
00:31:09,690 --> 00:31:13,370
big twist at the end, which I was like, good. I

550
00:31:13,370 --> 00:31:17,650
wasn't spoiled. But more importantly, I was like,

551
00:31:17,730 --> 00:31:19,570
good thing I watched this, because I would have

552
00:31:19,570 --> 00:31:22,690
been pissed if anybody had told me because I

553
00:31:22,690 --> 00:31:26,520
didn't see it coming at all. that Lex Luthor shows

554
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:31,580
up because Rick Flag, goes to Belle Reeve, to get

555
00:31:31,580 --> 00:31:36,800
information about how to locate the portal, and

556
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:44,470
also use the portal to, go get Peacemaker. So. So.

557
00:31:44,550 --> 00:31:47,990
So correct me if. Okay, I have a question, Will.

558
00:31:48,390 --> 00:31:48,950
>> Will: Yeah.

559
00:31:49,270 --> 00:31:54,870
>> Sarah : Okay, so this whole time, Argus has been when the

560
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:59,110
portal gets used m. It does send some kind of

561
00:31:59,110 --> 00:32:03,520
single. Of like a interdimensional rift, right?

562
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:09,200
That. That Argus has been tra. Tracking. So what.

563
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:15,560
Why in. In Vigilante's basement did they just not

564
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,640
see it or what happened there?

565
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,200
>> Will: They didn't have eyes on, I think, because, you

566
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,640
know, think about all the other instances where

567
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,060
they had discovered the portal. it was, you know,

568
00:32:29,060 --> 00:32:30,780
the early episodes, they, you know, they had.

569
00:32:31,260 --> 00:32:34,780
They. They were able to see it when Chris opened

570
00:32:34,780 --> 00:32:36,860
it up at his dad's house. So they knew where Chris

571
00:32:36,860 --> 00:32:39,540
was. Economist was like, you know, out. Out there

572
00:32:39,540 --> 00:32:42,020
staking it out. So they knew where. And then

573
00:32:42,020 --> 00:32:45,420
later, you know, judo master was able to. To

574
00:32:45,420 --> 00:32:49,310
follow them to the. To the, cabin. But. Dude. But

575
00:32:49,310 --> 00:32:51,550
due to the interference, you know, as when Judo

576
00:32:51,550 --> 00:32:53,680
master called back to Flurry. the. The

577
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,270
coordinates, The. The signal got blocked, so they

578
00:32:57,270 --> 00:32:59,750
weren't. Argus wasn't able to go there at the

579
00:32:59,750 --> 00:33:05,070
house. So. So I think the. Felt the thing is the,

580
00:33:05,060 --> 00:33:07,500
So, yeah, they could. I think they could. They

581
00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:09,620
have the equipment to like, find a rift, but I

582
00:33:09,620 --> 00:33:11,660
think they still need to have, like, eyes on. And

583
00:33:11,660 --> 00:33:14,580
so, you know, you know, vigilantes off the grid.

584
00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:17,260
You know, no one knows that Adrian is, Is the

585
00:33:17,260 --> 00:33:19,340
vigilante, so they wouldn't even begin to think to

586
00:33:19,340 --> 00:33:22,420
like, look, there's. As far as. As far as.

587
00:33:22,420 --> 00:33:22,789
>> Sarah : Yeah.

588
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:25,590
>> Will: where. Where a potential portal for, you know,

589
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:25,990
for.

590
00:33:26,580 --> 00:33:30,660
>> Sarah : I just. I just don't. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean,

591
00:33:30,660 --> 00:33:33,090
you're right. There. There are some things. Yeah.

592
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:35,340
what do you think about the scene with Nicholas

593
00:33:35,340 --> 00:33:35,860
Halt?

594
00:33:36,980 --> 00:33:39,650
>> Will: I liked it. It was a, I think it was a.

595
00:33:42,219 --> 00:33:42,979
>> Sarah : More men.

596
00:33:42,979 --> 00:33:45,179
>> Will: I don't know, something just tonally he was more

597
00:33:45,179 --> 00:33:50,739
menacing or something about him that it just, you

598
00:33:50,739 --> 00:33:53,179
know, I liked it. And also, I think it just

599
00:33:53,179 --> 00:33:55,299
really, you know, when he, when he said the line,

600
00:33:55,299 --> 00:33:58,419
though, who gives a. Being goofy is no threat. I

601
00:33:58,419 --> 00:34:01,939
mean, you know, he. He really. He really. I think

602
00:34:01,939 --> 00:34:05,819
it just deepens his animosity towards. Towards

603
00:34:05,979 --> 00:34:09,659
Superman as far as with the metas and, and, and.

604
00:34:09,739 --> 00:34:13,320
And all that. So, you know, because when. Because

605
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,160
as Flag shared that Chris is just an ordinary

606
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,860
person, he was like, oh, okay, who cares? But he

607
00:34:18,860 --> 00:34:21,740
really does have a thing against meta. So. So I

608
00:34:21,740 --> 00:34:24,700
just think it just further, you know, added that

609
00:34:24,940 --> 00:34:27,260
we already knew it, but it just like reinforced it

610
00:34:27,260 --> 00:34:29,820
even more and just, you know, after he's been

611
00:34:29,820 --> 00:34:33,220
sitting in Bell Reeve and, you know, in a meta,

612
00:34:33,220 --> 00:34:36,380
you know, in a what? A metahuman prison of all

613
00:34:36,380 --> 00:34:36,860
places.

614
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,840
>> Will: So. But yeah, that's better than that. I mean, I

615
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,590
thought it was a cool surprise. I think, you know,

616
00:34:43,590 --> 00:34:45,790
I think a lot of folks thought, you know, given

617
00:34:45,790 --> 00:34:48,190
all the behind the scene photos we've seen with

618
00:34:48,430 --> 00:34:51,610
Scene N, and Dave, corn sweat, people assumed that

619
00:34:51,690 --> 00:34:53,500
Superman, was going to show up and he still might,

620
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:56,470
but even though James has said he's not. But, but

621
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:58,670
it was a. That was. It was a nice surprise to see

622
00:34:58,670 --> 00:34:59,430
Alex show up.

623
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,720
>> Sarah : Definitely. Definitely a nice surprise.

624
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:05,540
>> Will: Yeah.

625
00:35:05,540 --> 00:35:14,460
>> Sarah : okay. Hardcore, the real hardcore, has a very

626
00:35:14,860 --> 00:35:19,420
intense conversation with Chris in this episode,

627
00:35:19,710 --> 00:35:25,370
towards the end. And they. They go, they. We. It's

628
00:35:25,370 --> 00:35:29,070
finally. It's more of her than him, which I think

629
00:35:29,070 --> 00:35:35,200
is needed, because he. She realizes why he came

630
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,090
there. but I Also appreciate that she stands her

631
00:35:39,090 --> 00:35:43,610
ground because she's like, I can't tell you that I

632
00:35:43,610 --> 00:35:50,180
love you or even have, like it was real. Because I

633
00:35:50,180 --> 00:35:55,090
don't want you to just choose that. And that be

634
00:35:55,090 --> 00:35:59,770
the reason why suddenly we leave. Like, you have a

635
00:35:59,770 --> 00:36:03,810
choice here and you need to do it for yourself.

636
00:36:03,810 --> 00:36:06,770
You can't do it for me almost is what she's really

637
00:36:06,850 --> 00:36:11,170
trying to say. But simultaneously it's also much

638
00:36:11,330 --> 00:36:13,930
like. No, you need to tell him the truth and you

639
00:36:13,930 --> 00:36:16,730
need to tell him how you feel. And you also need

640
00:36:16,730 --> 00:36:20,650
to explain to Sarah your history. But with Rick

641
00:36:20,650 --> 00:36:23,290
Flag Jr. I need more in depth and I need to

642
00:36:23,290 --> 00:36:26,030
understand timelines because it was also made

643
00:36:26,030 --> 00:36:27,990
clear to me that you, you weren't in a

644
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:31,750
relationship with him, but you were, and there was

645
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:34,510
some feelings there. You didn't mean this. I, I

646
00:36:34,510 --> 00:36:37,710
almost need a Rick Flag Jr. Show at this point.

647
00:36:38,350 --> 00:36:40,710
No, I don't. No, I don't. I strike that from the

648
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:47,150
record. I really don't. But. But I, I just, you

649
00:36:47,150 --> 00:36:51,030
know. No, it's a very good scene. It's a very good

650
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:55,710
scene. both actors as well as written. Do I think

651
00:36:55,710 --> 00:36:58,310
it's on par with the interview scene from

652
00:36:58,310 --> 00:37:02,510
Superman? No, because that is just too iconic. So.

653
00:37:02,590 --> 00:37:04,670
Yeah, but we'll go ahead.

654
00:37:05,150 --> 00:37:08,350
>> Will: Yeah, it's funny. Okay, so it's funny. Your mind

655
00:37:08,350 --> 00:37:11,030
went where my mind went with, to that scene and in

656
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:13,290
Superman. because I had, I had it in my. I had

657
00:37:13,290 --> 00:37:16,770
written out of my notes, that I agree with you.

658
00:37:16,850 --> 00:37:22,230
The, the seeing of Superman definitely is the one

659
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:25,470
as far as James Gunn and like these heart to

660
00:37:25,470 --> 00:37:29,710
heart, you know, copies just strip everything off.

661
00:37:29,710 --> 00:37:32,230
Unless it's. Have a true. How real couples talk

662
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:35,140
really, you know, the conversation. But, Yeah,

663
00:37:35,140 --> 00:37:37,020
this was very well done. I, I agree.

664
00:37:37,980 --> 00:37:43,020
>> Sarah : I think, I think the difference is now that the.

665
00:37:43,340 --> 00:37:47,380
What you just said made me think about this in

666
00:37:47,380 --> 00:37:50,940
Superman, that conversation. Because we're

667
00:37:51,020 --> 00:37:53,540
technically getting to know these two characters

668
00:37:53,540 --> 00:37:57,540
where they are in their relationship and there's

669
00:37:57,540 --> 00:38:00,220
so many different levels, but it feels like a

670
00:38:00,220 --> 00:38:03,180
conversation. It felt like a dance because it was

671
00:38:03,180 --> 00:38:05,300
a back and forth. A back and forth, back and

672
00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:09,920
forth. This one, because Chris has done a lot of

673
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,280
talking up into this episode. So this

674
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,360
conversation, albeit Chris had some very

675
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,680
significant lines. This would felt much more like

676
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,000
a stream of consciousness. Consciousness from

677
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,360
Harcourt, who we haven't heard a lot from. And so

678
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:34,210
she's needed this moment. It, it's. And that's the

679
00:38:34,210 --> 00:38:37,850
difference because it wasn't much Like a dance. It

680
00:38:37,850 --> 00:38:42,290
was very much like we have. We understand Chris's

681
00:38:42,290 --> 00:38:45,730
point of view. Now we finally get the reveal of

682
00:38:45,970 --> 00:38:49,530
Harcourt's point of view and all of the emotions

683
00:38:49,530 --> 00:38:52,890
that she's been holding. Holding back and holding

684
00:38:52,890 --> 00:38:59,180
in. So. So was. It's. That's. I think, the

685
00:38:59,180 --> 00:39:03,100
difference and why I prefer one over the other

686
00:39:03,340 --> 00:39:06,940
because I. I like more of a conversation rather

687
00:39:06,940 --> 00:39:08,140
than a monologue.

688
00:39:09,020 --> 00:39:12,330
>> Will: Yeah. So, Yeah, I mean, I hear what you're saying,

689
00:39:12,330 --> 00:39:15,770
and I. I think you're. I agree with you too, on

690
00:39:15,770 --> 00:39:18,330
that point. I think the other thing for me is

691
00:39:18,330 --> 00:39:23,340
also, I think where I do feel like it was a bit of

692
00:39:23,340 --> 00:39:28,900
a conversation because they were. I think where it

693
00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:32,020
was, it was still a good back and forth between

694
00:39:32,020 --> 00:39:40,200
the two of them was, you know, I think, maybe not

695
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,440
a back and forth because Chris was really locked

696
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,680
in as far as, like, he. He could only see. You

697
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,790
know, I talked about how he's grown a little. He's

698
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:51,470
somewhat grown as a person and. Yes, he has grown

699
00:39:51,470 --> 00:39:54,070
as far as, like. Yeah. You know. You know, as far

700
00:39:54,070 --> 00:39:56,150
as, like, the toxic masculinity and stuff and

701
00:39:56,150 --> 00:40:00,310
thinking, you know, he's. He's opening himself up

702
00:40:00,310 --> 00:40:02,950
to be more vulnerable. So it was almost like a

703
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:05,310
gender role reversal where, you know, again, the

704
00:40:05,310 --> 00:40:07,350
usual trope would be the woman would be the

705
00:40:07,350 --> 00:40:11,190
character to be all emotional and I love you, and

706
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:15,670
here it's like a guy. But I think for. For me,

707
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:18,030
with that scene into your point about. With

708
00:40:18,030 --> 00:40:22,000
hardcore. Yeah. And. And a mass toxic masculinity

709
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,000
and all the things that we've seen her go through.

710
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,600
You know, she was diagnosed with that in early

711
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,000
episodes, you know, with. By the.

712
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,160
>> Sarah : Episode one. Yep.

713
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,160
>> Will: Episode one. Yeah. And it was just like, you know,

714
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,560
you know, it, It. Yeah, you're. You're right. It

715
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,560
was like a stream of consciousness. It was like,

716
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,080
you know, she. She has been like, putting up these

717
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,920
shields and using all these deflection methods

718
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,300
and, you know, to avoid this hard, you know, avoid

719
00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:48,300
her feelings. And also. Does she. And also the

720
00:40:48,300 --> 00:40:50,660
fact that she's just, you know, she is broken and

721
00:40:50,660 --> 00:40:54,260
she just needs, like, space and. And Chris is

722
00:40:54,260 --> 00:40:58,300
just. Chris is a lot of ways just emotionally

723
00:40:58,300 --> 00:41:01,420
immature because at the same time, he, you know,

724
00:41:01,420 --> 00:41:05,940
he, you know, he. He. He's like. On the one hand,

725
00:41:05,940 --> 00:41:08,980
he's like, I love you, Amelia from Earth One, but

726
00:41:09,060 --> 00:41:12,060
if I can't have you, then I'll just, like, go over

727
00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:14,180
here in my little fantasy world. It's obviously

728
00:41:14,180 --> 00:41:16,340
before we, you know, learn to reveal about what

729
00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:19,420
Earthx is, but he, you know, he has sort of like,

730
00:41:19,420 --> 00:41:22,660
you know, his backup plan as far as like this

731
00:41:22,660 --> 00:41:26,100
little, this little world. So, I mean, I think

732
00:41:26,100 --> 00:41:28,700
from her standpoint, she's probably like, you're

733
00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:31,860
in love with the idea of me, but not me.

734
00:41:33,060 --> 00:41:38,110
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. Because. Because she, doesn't think

735
00:41:38,110 --> 00:41:40,540
that she can, be loved.

736
00:41:41,180 --> 00:41:41,740
>> Will: Yeah.

737
00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:46,460
>> Sarah : And. And so, and so they're like. And that's what

738
00:41:46,460 --> 00:41:51,510
I, I did find very, honest and appreciated about

739
00:41:51,909 --> 00:41:56,230
the whole scene the most, was you could really

740
00:41:56,310 --> 00:42:06,410
understand, you understand more about her, why she

741
00:42:07,130 --> 00:42:11,330
not only has treated Chris this way, but then all

742
00:42:11,330 --> 00:42:14,530
of the insinuations about her relationship, her

743
00:42:14,530 --> 00:42:19,850
past relationship, friendship, whatever with Rick

744
00:42:19,850 --> 00:42:27,360
Flag Jr. So it, it. I, Yeah. And it's something

745
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,440
I've needed. I've needed that for like five, five

746
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,760
episodes. I've. There is so much that happens in

747
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,480
this episode that I've just been waiting for.

748
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:44,400
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was thinking, as ever as

749
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,000
I was watching this, in particular with the scene

750
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,800
between Chris and Amelia, I, I was, I was thinking

751
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,240
of you the whole time and just conversations,

752
00:42:52,820 --> 00:42:54,370
throughout the series this season.

753
00:42:54,370 --> 00:42:58,110
>> Sarah : And And like, I, I would like to point out because

754
00:42:58,110 --> 00:43:00,830
I've made a comment about this. Very early on in

755
00:43:00,830 --> 00:43:05,430
the season, the screeners that went out were

756
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:07,110
episodes one through six.

757
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:08,630
>> Will: No.

758
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:12,830
>> Sarah : So that's why anybody who got those screeners were

759
00:43:12,830 --> 00:43:16,190
raving about it because they were able to binge

760
00:43:16,190 --> 00:43:17,910
the. These episodes.

761
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:19,910
>> Will: Yes.

762
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:22,250
>> Sarah : And so I was like, I'm,

763
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:25,260
>> Will: Like, I thought only episodes one through five

764
00:43:25,260 --> 00:43:25,820
went out.

765
00:43:26,060 --> 00:43:28,460
>> Sarah : No, no, episodes one through six.

766
00:43:28,620 --> 00:43:31,700
>> Will: Yeah, but. Yeah, well, I mean, either way, I mean,

767
00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:34,260
if, if it. Is that the case, you know, hats off to

768
00:43:34,260 --> 00:43:36,820
those folks for not spoiling it for the rest of

769
00:43:36,820 --> 00:43:39,800
us. you know, I, I thank you. because I would have

770
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,240
been pissed if, you know, not only of the, of the,

771
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,880
of the, of the turn as far as what earth they're

772
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,760
on, but also like you said earlier, the Lex

773
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,560
Luthor, showing up. But, Yeah, Yeah, but you know,

774
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,400
the other, you know, as far as, you know, moving

775
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,360
forward as far as the one last thing, as far as

776
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,270
just with the reveal. Speaking of which, you know,

777
00:43:56,270 --> 00:43:58,790
just a very chilling moment when I realized, like.

778
00:43:58,790 --> 00:44:03,070
Oh, when it did. When it. Whenever Abadayo getting

779
00:44:03,070 --> 00:44:05,950
back to, what we were talking about, you know, she

780
00:44:05,950 --> 00:44:07,870
may not have had like a lot of moments, but when

781
00:44:07,870 --> 00:44:12,380
she has the moments, they are like, oh, and so

782
00:44:12,860 --> 00:44:15,940
when she went for that walk and, and John, you

783
00:44:15,940 --> 00:44:18,700
know, I was. A couple things one I was thinking

784
00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:21,060
when, you know, it's good that she. She wasn't in

785
00:44:21,060 --> 00:44:23,850
the house, because if. If, Earth X. Augie had,

786
00:44:23,850 --> 00:44:26,010
like, seen her, you know, he would have killed her

787
00:44:26,010 --> 00:44:26,930
right there on the spot.

788
00:44:27,170 --> 00:44:27,570
>> Sarah : Right.

789
00:44:27,810 --> 00:44:31,740
>> Will: Right one. but whenever, you know, but whenever

790
00:44:31,740 --> 00:44:36,620
the lady saw her and, yeah, and just did that

791
00:44:36,620 --> 00:44:39,900
stare, I was just like, oh, no. Even before Keith.

792
00:44:40,060 --> 00:44:41,780
>> Sarah : Oh, yeah, no, no, I know what you're talking

793
00:44:41,780 --> 00:44:42,860
about. I know what you're talking.

794
00:44:42,860 --> 00:44:44,020
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, that's what.

795
00:44:44,020 --> 00:44:44,420
>> Sarah : That's.

796
00:44:44,420 --> 00:44:46,780
>> Will: That's. That's the moment when I was like, oh,

797
00:44:47,020 --> 00:44:49,900
there's a shot. Here's the drop.

798
00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:52,700
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. It really is that moment. You're like,

799
00:44:52,700 --> 00:44:58,140
okay, I know what world we're in now. Okay, how to

800
00:44:58,140 --> 00:44:59,180
bio. No.

801
00:45:01,050 --> 00:45:01,370
>> Will: Yeah.

802
00:45:03,130 --> 00:45:04,570
>> Sarah : Run for the hills.

803
00:45:04,570 --> 00:45:07,660
>> Will: Run, Run for your life. And. And. And, you know,

804
00:45:07,660 --> 00:45:09,940
and then Keith just, like, stopping and, you know,

805
00:45:09,940 --> 00:45:13,060
screaming. You know, one guy, you know, you know,

806
00:45:13,060 --> 00:45:15,460
one got out the black, and I was just like, yeah.

807
00:45:15,460 --> 00:45:17,900
Everything about that whole sequence, it. It was

808
00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:21,480
just chilling. it's, you know, and. But also, You

809
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,640
know, you know, I do. It was very, you know,

810
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,240
different scene, different seasons. But also, you

811
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:28,680
know, we had that. You know, we had a similar

812
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,220
scene in season, season one where, by the. By the.

813
00:45:33,340 --> 00:45:37,380
By the racist, with Augie's gang. it's easy. One,

814
00:45:37,380 --> 00:45:40,450
but without a bio. And two, yeah, it was just

815
00:45:41,170 --> 00:45:44,050
everything about that, I was just like, you know,

816
00:45:44,050 --> 00:45:45,809
I know James gonna talk. He said he talked to

817
00:45:45,809 --> 00:45:49,090
Daniel Brooks about Block, you know, shooting this

818
00:45:49,090 --> 00:45:50,850
and making sure she was comfortable with it.

819
00:45:50,850 --> 00:45:53,050
Because I just knew me as a black man watching

820
00:45:53,050 --> 00:45:55,370
that, I was just like, holy. This is. This is,

821
00:45:55,370 --> 00:45:57,720
like, this is messing with me right now. and I

822
00:45:57,720 --> 00:46:00,080
think anybody, you know, so it's. It's been very

823
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,000
interesting just sort of seeing the dialogue on

824
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,310
online now with the. With the reveal. you know,

825
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:08,350
you know, again, how. You know, we've talked about

826
00:46:08,350 --> 00:46:11,910
how it's great when these shows, like, you know,

827
00:46:12,149 --> 00:46:14,790
do throw some analogs and do throw some allegories

828
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:17,830
and, And, And. And other things to make you think

829
00:46:17,830 --> 00:46:19,910
as a viewer. So not only you can be entertained,

830
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:22,380
but also, you know, it's a little message. So I'm

831
00:46:22,380 --> 00:46:25,140
very curious to see, you know, with the

832
00:46:25,140 --> 00:46:27,500
penultimate and the finale, as far as Hal James,

833
00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:30,380
like, you know, now that we've had the big reveal,

834
00:46:30,540 --> 00:46:32,940
you know, what is he going to do with it? How is

835
00:46:32,940 --> 00:46:36,640
he going to, you know, land a plane with, handling

836
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,640
this alternate dimension and how Chris is going to

837
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,640
deal with It. And the things that, you know,

838
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,160
Amelia like, you know, pointed out to him whenever

839
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,760
they were in Argus and you know, and he did see

840
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,280
the flag, with the swastika on it.

841
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:56,400
>> Sarah : All right, well, that leads us into Gen V, episode

842
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,210
four. what was this episode called?

843
00:47:00,090 --> 00:47:02,170
>> Will: It was, you know, I think it was called. I've seen

844
00:47:02,170 --> 00:47:03,369
it called Bags.

845
00:47:03,610 --> 00:47:07,800
>> Sarah : Okay. Yes, that sounds right. Bags. VIP fight

846
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,000
ticket confirmed. Warning. You accept all risks.

847
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,800
All risks may be filmed and exposed to bodily

848
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,680
fluids. Hotel rules. No outside drinks. Gender

849
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,580
specific risk. Restrooms only. Enjoy VIP access.

850
00:47:20,820 --> 00:47:24,980
Because it is fight night between Jordan the

851
00:47:24,980 --> 00:47:28,890
Gender Bender and, Marie the Blood Vendor.

852
00:47:31,290 --> 00:47:33,850
>> Will: Yeah, I like. I had to say, I do like the name the

853
00:47:33,850 --> 00:47:34,570
blood Vendor.

854
00:47:35,610 --> 00:47:39,210
>> Sarah : See, I don't. I don't like either name. I'm just.

855
00:47:39,770 --> 00:47:42,290
And I like how I wrote Vendor, not bender

856
00:47:42,290 --> 00:47:44,090
accidentally. That was a typo.

857
00:47:44,780 --> 00:47:45,070
>> Will: Yeah.

858
00:47:45,070 --> 00:47:47,780
>> Sarah : because this is, this is what they did. this is

859
00:47:47,780 --> 00:47:53,580
how Vought, ah, Vought, ah, changes the game

860
00:47:53,740 --> 00:47:57,190
because just when Jordan thinks that they, have

861
00:47:57,190 --> 00:48:00,070
the upper hand and reveal the truth about what

862
00:48:00,070 --> 00:48:02,710
happened, to.

863
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:05,430
>> Will: Kate. Yeah.

864
00:48:05,590 --> 00:48:10,070
>> Sarah : Nope, not well, Kate. Yeah. Yeah, to Kate. they.

865
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:14,010
They, they say, oh, no, now. Now, since you've.

866
00:48:14,010 --> 00:48:16,900
You've decided to expose that, you were actually

867
00:48:16,900 --> 00:48:20,410
the one, we're gonna crucify you, call you a liar,

868
00:48:20,410 --> 00:48:23,780
and then have your girlfriend, beat you up and,

869
00:48:23,940 --> 00:48:27,220
and hopefully kill you. Hopefully kill you. Like,

870
00:48:27,380 --> 00:48:31,260
call spade a spade. Hopefully kill you. And. And

871
00:48:31,260 --> 00:48:36,350
it's just, you know, this episode, and we're just

872
00:48:36,350 --> 00:48:38,470
gonna start with Cypher because we have to.

873
00:48:38,980 --> 00:48:42,480
because I said it last week, I was like, I. I

874
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,360
think there's a high, high chance that he is

875
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,200
human. And for a moment there, everyone thought he

876
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:54,040
was. Because Marie told us so. Yep, Marie told us

877
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,640
so. And now we're. I was just like, well, duh.

878
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,180
And. And then at the very end, because they

879
00:49:01,180 --> 00:49:05,140
continue to do this with Cypher, and I'm saying it

880
00:49:05,140 --> 00:49:07,580
right now that you can only do this so many times.

881
00:49:07,580 --> 00:49:12,700
Okay. They continue to try to make it seem like,

882
00:49:13,820 --> 00:49:17,980
like Kate, Kate and friends, because Kate gets

883
00:49:17,980 --> 00:49:21,830
converted somewhat in this episode, have the upper

884
00:49:21,830 --> 00:49:25,520
hand only to be like, no, because watch this. I'm

885
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,880
going. Because Jordan and Marie are about to

886
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,240
fight. They are kissing instead. And then Cypher

887
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:36,040
takes over Jordan's body and immediately it's

888
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:43,280
fight on. And. And Cypher, I love it when he's

889
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,320
like meat puppet. Just meat puppet. With. With no

890
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,080
strings. And no strings. And it. And it is pretty

891
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,720
terrifying. but it also made Sense. Because you

892
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:57,440
brought it up last week with the X Men. It's like,

893
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,600
well, if he's supposed to be Professor X. And of

894
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:04,040
course, of course he's, he's a, he has that

895
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:11,880
ability. But it's also. How strong do you think it

896
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:16,160
is? Because it gets to a point like he, he does

897
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,640
it, but it's not a long period of time. I feel

898
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:24,150
like Kate has held on to people and been able to

899
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:29,770
manipulate them longer than him. and, and I don't

900
00:50:29,770 --> 00:50:33,370
know what causes it, but he eventually loses. And

901
00:50:33,370 --> 00:50:37,840
I think it's because Jordan switches at some point

902
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:43,280
and, and then it like cuts the link and that

903
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:48,970
allows Marie to also not kill them.

904
00:50:49,850 --> 00:50:53,290
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Or he, or he, you know, because I

905
00:50:53,290 --> 00:50:55,890
don't. Yeah, because. Yeah, because he definitely

906
00:50:55,890 --> 00:50:59,290
had control of Jordan.

907
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:04,760
>> Will: and, and maybe, you know, and, and maybe in, in

908
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,680
the pushing of Marie and the test, you know,

909
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,150
because they, you know, because the first, you

910
00:51:11,150 --> 00:51:13,750
know, he was like, don't, but you know, don't,

911
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,220
don't. Don't kill the Elon. Don't kill Elon. I

912
00:51:17,220 --> 00:51:18,980
can't remember the exact line, but.

913
00:51:19,220 --> 00:51:21,100
>> Sarah : Yeah, don't kill Elon Musk.

914
00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:25,219
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but don't kill the goat. you

915
00:51:25,219 --> 00:51:30,060
know, she, you know, whenever she saw the V. Well,

916
00:51:30,060 --> 00:51:32,460
when she saw the veins and realized that there was

917
00:51:32,460 --> 00:51:36,860
no V going through there, she lost control here, I

918
00:51:36,860 --> 00:51:41,140
think by literally bringing Jordan to the brink of

919
00:51:41,140 --> 00:51:45,490
her bursting them. I think it did. Yeah, I think

920
00:51:45,490 --> 00:51:48,130
it did get Cipher to do what she, what he's been

921
00:51:48,130 --> 00:51:50,170
wanting her to do, which is learn that control.

922
00:51:50,970 --> 00:51:53,660
>> Sarah : Oh yeah. I mean that, that was pretty obvious

923
00:51:53,740 --> 00:51:55,900
because of the blood day comparison.

924
00:51:56,540 --> 00:51:57,500
>> Will: Yeah. So.

925
00:51:57,580 --> 00:52:02,780
>> Sarah : But what do you. So But I still don't know about

926
00:52:02,940 --> 00:52:07,180
his, his own ability and how, how strong he is.

927
00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:10,760
>> Will: I think he's pretty strong. Maybe not Kate strong.

928
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,560
I mean, even though Kate's been nerfed this

929
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,440
season, you know. You know, for obvious reasons

930
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:14,760
because,

931
00:52:15,230 --> 00:52:16,690
>> Sarah : But needed to happen.

932
00:52:17,410 --> 00:52:22,020
>> Will: Yeah. but it. I think he's still pretty strong or,

933
00:52:22,819 --> 00:52:24,660
you know, and I guess I've seen some, you know,

934
00:52:24,660 --> 00:52:26,900
I've seen some theories out there that maybe, you

935
00:52:26,900 --> 00:52:30,700
know, the he's just a conduit for, for his father.

936
00:52:31,180 --> 00:52:35,940
>> Sarah : Yeah. See I. There, I think and I was thinking

937
00:52:35,940 --> 00:52:39,360
this too. And especially when they discover, when

938
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:44,600
they discovered the hyper chamber, I, I was

939
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:49,400
thinking, okay, so if he's human, then the person

940
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:55,960
in the chamber obviously is. Is, a soup. and say.

941
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,360
I was gonna say meta.

942
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:58,640
>> Will: Yeah.

943
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,880
>> Sarah : For A moment. I was like, it's not a meta in this

944
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,460
universe. It's called a soup. Something else. So

945
00:53:04,460 --> 00:53:04,940
is this.

946
00:53:05,900 --> 00:53:07,980
>> Will: Yeah, unless Cypher's a soup. But I've also.

947
00:53:08,220 --> 00:53:12,620
>> Sarah : Yeah, no, no, but. But cipher. Cipher is a soup.

948
00:53:12,620 --> 00:53:17,220
But they. There's still something that's not

949
00:53:17,220 --> 00:53:20,420
adding up. And I think that's why there's still

950
00:53:20,420 --> 00:53:24,340
speculation, because there's a reason why Marie

951
00:53:24,340 --> 00:53:28,820
thought he couldn't sense the Gen V. So. And

952
00:53:28,820 --> 00:53:33,190
there's also a reason why he was a part of,

953
00:53:33,620 --> 00:53:41,190
Odessa, which is tied into giving babies, Gen V

954
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:45,590
and also tied into. And I really liked this. This

955
00:53:45,590 --> 00:53:49,230
point that they brought up creating someone more

956
00:53:49,230 --> 00:53:50,790
powerful than Homelander.

957
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:51,750
>> Will: Homelander, yeah.

958
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:54,310
>> Sarah : Because. Because if you think about it, Vought

959
00:53:54,310 --> 00:53:57,630
hates Homelander as much as anybody else. And. And

960
00:53:57,630 --> 00:54:01,550
they're all about creating control. Homelander is

961
00:54:01,550 --> 00:54:04,510
not someone they can control. We've watched four

962
00:54:04,510 --> 00:54:09,390
seasons of the Boys, made very clear that, yep,

963
00:54:09,550 --> 00:54:13,590
there's only so much control you can have over him

964
00:54:13,590 --> 00:54:16,070
because the moment you have it, he then does

965
00:54:16,070 --> 00:54:21,270
something and suddenly you're dead. So. So, yeah,

966
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:27,490
there. I. I think that I. I buy into the potential

967
00:54:27,490 --> 00:54:30,810
for it to be a conduit, but there is definitely a

968
00:54:30,810 --> 00:54:34,170
link between. And more. And I'm not talking just

969
00:54:34,170 --> 00:54:36,810
like, father, son. There's. There's some kind of

970
00:54:36,810 --> 00:54:41,250
connection there. Because in that state, why would

971
00:54:41,250 --> 00:54:44,380
you keep your. Your, father alive?

972
00:54:45,020 --> 00:54:46,980
>> Will: Yeah, because, you know, when I saw the hyperbaric

973
00:54:46,980 --> 00:54:49,180
chamber, I thought, okay, I felt Back to episode

974
00:54:49,180 --> 00:54:52,370
one, you know, 1967, where we see Godolkin, like.

975
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:53,080
Like, you know.

976
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,080
>> Sarah : Yeah, me too. Yep.

977
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,880
>> Will: Yeah, so. So either, you know, so I thought maybe

978
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,160
it's either cipher is. Is. You know, we, you know,

979
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,080
we. We think. I'm pretty sure it's probably

980
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:09,450
Godolkin. yeah, you know, he just got burnt up.

981
00:55:09,450 --> 00:55:13,880
And, And so. So I, you know, it's either or, you

982
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,880
know, give. So there's that. So I thought maybe,

983
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,310
you know, another thing with no V, no blue ve, you

984
00:55:20,310 --> 00:55:22,350
know, going through cypress veins. You know, I

985
00:55:22,350 --> 00:55:24,630
thought about compound V as far as, like, to your

986
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:27,510
point about duration, you know, like, built like

987
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:30,990
butcher and used it. So I thought about that.

988
00:55:30,990 --> 00:55:33,710
There's also another. I think there's another

989
00:55:33,790 --> 00:55:39,460
compound, that they may have discovered. So,

990
00:55:39,620 --> 00:55:40,510
Because I noticed.

991
00:55:40,910 --> 00:55:48,420
>> Sarah : And there's. There's also that line, about. About

992
00:55:48,580 --> 00:55:52,260
miracles. Like, when. When he's training Marie,

993
00:55:52,900 --> 00:55:57,340
he. And she asked him, what happens if I can do

994
00:55:57,340 --> 00:56:02,060
it? And she says, miracles beyond your wildest

995
00:56:02,060 --> 00:56:05,220
imagination. And my mind instantly goes Back to

996
00:56:05,220 --> 00:56:09,380
like. Because we saw this in season one too. She,

997
00:56:09,540 --> 00:56:12,100
as much as she can kill, she can also heal.

998
00:56:12,830 --> 00:56:13,230
>> Will: Yep.

999
00:56:13,260 --> 00:56:19,180
>> Sarah : like, like, so her abilities can also potentially

1000
00:56:19,180 --> 00:56:25,460
heal his father if desired. So. Yeah, there's

1001
00:56:25,460 --> 00:56:29,420
something there too, that the pieces, they're

1002
00:56:29,420 --> 00:56:33,380
doing a very good job of. Granted, it's only four

1003
00:56:33,380 --> 00:56:38,790
episodes so far, half of the season, but I, I'm

1004
00:56:38,790 --> 00:56:41,470
not frustrated. I'm just still curious.

1005
00:56:41,950 --> 00:56:42,350
>> Will: Yeah.

1006
00:56:42,350 --> 00:56:45,910
>> Sarah : I'm like, okay, okay, we're, we're, we're getting

1007
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:48,860
a little bit more and more, which keeps my

1008
00:56:48,860 --> 00:56:49,140
interest.

1009
00:56:49,780 --> 00:56:51,900
>> Will: Totally, totally. I didn't. You know, I'm glad you

1010
00:56:51,900 --> 00:56:53,980
brought that point up about the healing I had. I

1011
00:56:53,980 --> 00:56:55,860
have forgotten that that was one of her abilities.

1012
00:56:55,940 --> 00:56:58,820
And that make, you know, even to me, you know,

1013
00:56:59,220 --> 00:57:01,980
because to your point about having. I'm just

1014
00:57:01,980 --> 00:57:04,980
trying, you know, when I think about Vault having,

1015
00:57:06,710 --> 00:57:09,270
you know, fail safe for Homelander, you know,

1016
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:11,350
given that, the history that we know about Vault,

1017
00:57:11,350 --> 00:57:12,670
I'm just trying to like, wrap m. My head around

1018
00:57:12,670 --> 00:57:15,510
them having a black woman about the fail safe for

1019
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:18,920
a Homelander. given. Given all we know about the

1020
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,800
Company and, And also how they all just. But, you

1021
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,360
know, but again, everybody's a commodity, so, you

1022
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:29,320
know, as long as you are, you know, an asset to

1023
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,160
them, they don't care what you are. I mean, let me

1024
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:36,860
look how they treated Jordan. or Kate. Yeah. so

1025
00:57:37,500 --> 00:57:37,900
which.

1026
00:57:37,980 --> 00:57:41,020
>> Sarah : But speaking about those two characters, what are

1027
00:57:41,020 --> 00:57:44,260
your thoughts on the scene that they shared?

1028
00:57:44,260 --> 00:57:46,539
Because this is the first real conversation

1029
00:57:46,539 --> 00:57:49,180
they're having after Jordan tries to kill Kate.

1030
00:57:50,060 --> 00:57:54,380
But also, again, much like I was talking last week

1031
00:57:54,380 --> 00:57:59,450
with the Jordan Sam scene. Yeah, we. You almost

1032
00:57:59,530 --> 00:58:05,130
forget everyone, like, these two knew each other

1033
00:58:05,770 --> 00:58:10,170
since freshman year. They were friends way before

1034
00:58:10,170 --> 00:58:12,970
Marie, way before Emma. And there's a history.

1035
00:58:13,130 --> 00:58:17,370
There's a shared history. And that's also why the

1036
00:58:17,370 --> 00:58:22,860
betrayal of Kate hit so hard. and I, I love that

1037
00:58:22,860 --> 00:58:25,460
line. Like, I think I'm gonna be mad at you

1038
00:58:25,460 --> 00:58:25,940
forever.

1039
00:58:26,700 --> 00:58:27,100
>> Will: Yeah.

1040
00:58:27,100 --> 00:58:30,940
>> Sarah : And that sucks. Be. And, And I just. The, the

1041
00:58:30,940 --> 00:58:37,020
whole conversation just is like very much young

1042
00:58:37,260 --> 00:58:42,860
friends who are going through things. And like,

1043
00:58:43,180 --> 00:58:45,820
what I'm getting at is there was an air of

1044
00:58:45,820 --> 00:58:50,380
authenticity in this very up universe and

1045
00:58:50,380 --> 00:58:51,260
circumstance.

1046
00:58:52,620 --> 00:58:55,060
>> Will: Yeah, that, that, that, yeah, that nails it. I

1047
00:58:55,060 --> 00:58:57,610
mean, I can't really add anything more to it than

1048
00:58:57,610 --> 00:59:00,730
what you just shared because it, it did feel that

1049
00:59:00,730 --> 00:59:04,500
authentic. you know, where. Yeah, there. Yeah. and

1050
00:59:05,060 --> 00:59:08,340
so, so, yeah, I mean, I really enjoy that scene. I

1051
00:59:08,340 --> 00:59:11,979
mean, it made, it made sense in the m. Context of

1052
00:59:11,979 --> 00:59:14,270
everything they, Both lost. I mean, they lost

1053
00:59:14,270 --> 00:59:17,360
Andre, they've lost, Sam's brother. I mean, you

1054
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:21,050
know, so. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's just. It really,

1055
00:59:21,050 --> 00:59:23,730
really worked really well and it made, it made

1056
00:59:23,730 --> 00:59:26,450
sense. Like, okay, we'll have, you know, in order

1057
00:59:26,450 --> 00:59:29,850
to like help us all here, we'll have to just get

1058
00:59:29,850 --> 00:59:33,890
past what we know. All, all the, all of this, all

1059
00:59:33,890 --> 00:59:36,610
the up things has happened. Let's just go to this

1060
00:59:36,610 --> 00:59:39,930
house and. And find out, you know, what's. What's

1061
00:59:39,930 --> 00:59:40,810
the deal with Cypher?

1062
00:59:41,290 --> 00:59:42,810
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1063
00:59:42,810 --> 00:59:45,730
>> Will: But. But to your point, it was just believable for

1064
00:59:45,730 --> 00:59:46,490
them to do that.

1065
00:59:46,970 --> 00:59:52,730
>> Sarah : Yeah. And then meanwhile, Emma is trying to not

1066
00:59:52,730 --> 00:59:57,400
only, get her gang of star lighters together and

1067
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:02,360
try to encourage them, but also she tries to have

1068
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:06,780
them teach her about her own powers because, she.

1069
01:00:06,780 --> 01:00:10,180
She still doesn't know quite, quite what it is.

1070
01:00:10,180 --> 01:00:15,140
Like, like she's circling again. and, and you

1071
01:00:15,140 --> 01:00:20,470
know, we all know how much I love Emma. Right. And

1072
01:00:20,470 --> 01:00:26,590
so to go back 25 or half hour when I was talking

1073
01:00:26,590 --> 01:00:34,030
about. I think that's like the comparison how Emma

1074
01:00:34,030 --> 01:00:38,830
is being used right now. She's very much a part of

1075
01:00:38,830 --> 01:00:42,390
the main thread, but also clearly working through

1076
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:46,180
something else, with the Starlighters and also her

1077
01:00:46,260 --> 01:00:52,300
learning her own abilities. So. So before that's

1078
01:00:52,300 --> 01:00:55,300
kind of what I wanted. More of a season two

1079
01:00:55,620 --> 01:00:58,340
Abadayo and maybe we'll get that in season three

1080
01:00:59,060 --> 01:01:02,260
was more about that where it's like these

1081
01:01:02,340 --> 01:01:06,820
characters, Gen V with their ensemble and, and I

1082
01:01:06,820 --> 01:01:11,030
know Peacemaker Chris, like it is a show about

1083
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:14,750
Peacemaker to very different. I mean this Gen V is

1084
01:01:14,750 --> 01:01:21,690
not called Marie. so. So I understand that but I

1085
01:01:21,690 --> 01:01:26,090
think that when you have an ensemble with

1086
01:01:26,090 --> 01:01:30,770
characters that, that are really fleshed out, you

1087
01:01:30,770 --> 01:01:33,850
can leverage it so much in your advantage if you

1088
01:01:33,850 --> 01:01:37,340
explore those characters. But it's very, very

1089
01:01:37,340 --> 01:01:40,660
tactfully because you can't also. It has to be

1090
01:01:40,660 --> 01:01:47,360
connected yet also, just well executed well enough

1091
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,000
to where it's like, oh yeah, we can spend a few

1092
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,600
minutes over here. That's not distracting from

1093
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,840
what, what overall is going on because it's not.

1094
01:01:57,930 --> 01:02:02,010
albeit I also wasn't a fan of her storyline

1095
01:02:02,090 --> 01:02:05,990
because she had some of the. More. I don't, I

1096
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:09,500
don't like calling them, What. What do we normally

1097
01:02:09,500 --> 01:02:10,060
call them?

1098
01:02:10,540 --> 01:02:12,460
>> Will: Oh, like the comic relief as far as.

1099
01:02:12,700 --> 01:02:16,060
>> Sarah : No, not comic release. I, I find Emma hilarious.

1100
01:02:16,300 --> 01:02:20,220
More about the, like the toilet sequence.

1101
01:02:20,780 --> 01:02:23,860
>> Will: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, it's truly

1102
01:02:23,860 --> 01:02:24,500
totally humor.

1103
01:02:24,500 --> 01:02:28,700
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. I just. It's just. It's not even the,

1104
01:02:28,700 --> 01:02:31,670
the humor is part about it. It's just like, okay,

1105
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:36,630
there's a dick. Got it. Butt shakes. I don't. We.

1106
01:02:36,790 --> 01:02:38,070
Can we just move on?

1107
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:41,950
>> Will: Yeah, I think, you know, they gotta have like, you

1108
01:02:41,950 --> 01:02:45,070
know, it is, it is, it is this. You know, we know

1109
01:02:45,070 --> 01:02:47,900
in this unit, in this world of the boys, there's

1110
01:02:47,900 --> 01:02:50,100
always going to be at least one or two scenes per

1111
01:02:50,100 --> 01:02:52,020
episode. I think it's in the contract that they

1112
01:02:52,020 --> 01:02:54,580
got to do something. Some gross out, you know,

1113
01:02:54,580 --> 01:02:57,550
moments, you know. So. Yeah, so it was Emma's turn

1114
01:02:57,550 --> 01:02:58,030
this week.

1115
01:02:58,670 --> 01:03:02,270
>> Sarah : Yeah. Because between that and then Bushmaster.

1116
01:03:02,830 --> 01:03:03,870
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

1117
01:03:03,870 --> 01:03:05,550
>> Sarah : Which actually is kind of funny.

1118
01:03:05,550 --> 01:03:10,030
>> Will: But it was pretty funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1119
01:03:10,030 --> 01:03:12,270
whatever. Yeah, that was a, that was a funny,

1120
01:03:12,270 --> 01:03:14,430
funny, funny moment. Especially like when they

1121
01:03:14,430 --> 01:03:16,110
were like the Medusa and all that.

1122
01:03:16,110 --> 01:03:20,270
>> Sarah : I was like, yeah, well, I just like, well, not my

1123
01:03:20,270 --> 01:03:20,670
hair.

1124
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,480
>> Will: Okay. I was like, okay, yeah, I got it, I got it,

1125
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,440
I got it. That, between that and the guy, the

1126
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:37,720
guard, the garden gnome. But yeah, so yeah, our

1127
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,560
two moments there, you know, speaking of Kate's

1128
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:45,020
powers getting nerfed. But yeah, yeah.

1129
01:03:45,020 --> 01:03:48,300
>> Sarah : All right, well, I think that's it for us tonight.

1130
01:03:48,380 --> 01:03:50,260
Will, why don't you tell our listeners where they

1131
01:03:50,260 --> 01:03:51,020
can find you?

1132
01:03:51,820 --> 01:03:55,310
>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at. Ah,

1133
01:03:55,310 --> 01:03:59,440
Will and Polk. W I L L M P O L K. And you can

1134
01:03:59,440 --> 01:03:59,600
find.

1135
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:03,080
>> Sarah : Me there too at SJ Belmont S J B L M O N T. Please

1136
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,320
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1140
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:16,720
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1141
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1142
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1143
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:21,600
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1144
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:52,770
>> Will: Sam.