K-Pop Demon Hunters & Peacemaker: Exploring the Cultural Phenomenon and Character Challenges

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>> Will: Music

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>> Sarah : Greetings Nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah, Belmont. And with me as always,

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is our Mr. Producer, Will Paul. How are you doing tonight, Will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. How are you doing this evening?

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>> Sarah : I'm doing good. I'm doing all right.

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>> Will: That's good. Yeah. Monday night

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recording. Welcome. We are back after

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taking another week off and got a lot

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to. Very excited to talk about K Pop

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Demon Hunters and Peacemaker with you tonight.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. K Pop Demon Hunters, who dropped a

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sing along version on Netflix today. And

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this came after the one weekend only

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screening event in theaters that grossed over.

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I heard it grossed twice. 20 million.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, whatever. Yeah. So

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whenever I, when I was putting this

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in the notes last night, it was I think

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between tracking between. I've seen everything from 16 to

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20 because I guess apparently Netflix, ah,

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hadn't put in

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for whatever reason they are, aren't tracking

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this, or releasing the numbers so

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far. But you know, it is pretty, different

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for Netflix. They did sort of break the grain because, I

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mean, obviously this movie came out back in like late June

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and now they are, you know, releasing

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in theaters just because it's just like, continues to like, just

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rise in popularity.

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>> Sarah : Well, everyone wants to do the sing along thing. I mean,

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that's wicked. Got a bunch of

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extra gross because of the idea after

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people started seeing it, they wanted to go back and do the sing

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along version of it. And so

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now not only is the movie on Netflix, but also

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the sing along version is on Netflix as well.

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And meanwhile, on the music charts,

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K Pop Demon Hunter soundtrack is currently number

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two on Billboard Top 1200

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with more than 3 billion global streams to

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date. And the song, your idol has surpassed

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BTS's dynamite on Spotify.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. Another thing I saw too today,

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is that the. This is the first

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soundtrack, first movie soundtrack

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to have four songs

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in on the top, 10,

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Billboard 100. So I mean it's just like

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taking. Yeah, it's just, it's just taking over.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. I mean we're, we're

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honestly late to the party. But this is

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truly a phenomenon. And

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and it, it's it's. It hit at the

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right time, I guess. And it,

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The music. Having

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now watched the movie myself, the

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music is the only reason why this is becoming a

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phenomenon. Like,

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honestly, the story itself,

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it's not that m. It's not

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that complicated. It's not that new and

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riveting. No, it's a very simple, very

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straightforward story. But

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it does, the music

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uplifts it and makes it much more

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entertaining. And it's their

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ear worms, they get stuck in your head. and,

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and then you just, and a lot of people

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have, now they're, they're complaining now

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that this is a gateway drug because once you

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watch K Pop Demon Hunters, then you start to get

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four on your FYP page. You

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get, you get recommendations of K pop music and

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different groups and then before you know it, you're,

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you're down the rabbit hole, so to speak. So,

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and I, I, I don't know if you fell down that rabbit hole

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or not.

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>> Will: well, I, I will say I was already

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kind of part, you know, I already dipped my

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toe into that rabbit hole just because of our

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friendship and knowing, you know, for example,

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part of the reason why we were earlier this month,

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I know you had gone to CFT's in California. and so,

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and, and you share, yeah share

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your, share your videos, and stuff with me as far

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as some of the concerts. And I have to say, I mean I, you

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know, so I, you

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know, for most, a lot of folks, you know, BTS is like

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the, you know, for I guess the novice

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I, I kind of, when I, when I was watching this movie this,

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this weekend, I, I, I, I was like, okay, now I see how

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Sarah feels when I start talking about, talking about Star Trek.

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>> Sarah : What do you mean?

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>> Will: Well, just because, you know, you're a bigger,

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our level of fandom here is like,

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like you know, you're, you're the K pop person

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here. I'm just a guy who just kind of just dips his toe

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into it. I like it. But you

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know, I, and I, and as I was watching K Pop

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Demon Hunters, I mean I was seeing some of the, like

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I was picking up because, because of our conversations and, and,

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and things over the years, I was able

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to. Some of the, you know, the little

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fandom bits and some of the little, and the, and the,

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some of the culture. The culture and the, the

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things that happen like as far as the light sticks and

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little things that, that if I

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hadn't, if I did not have that

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knowledge base just from our conversations and stuff

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about shows and seeing things, you, you know, and, and

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whatnot, I probably would have missed some, a lot

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of those things in the movie. I will say to your point

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about just as far as the story, yeah, it pretty was, it was

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pretty much pretty straightforward.

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and, but but it did. I have to say, I

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did like the way that it ended because

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I really thought they did. They took it in

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a path where

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especially with,

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>> Sarah : Spoiler alert. Geneo dies. Yeah,

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Will's gonna do this whole non spoiler. I'm like, if people have

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already.

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>> Will: No, no, no, I'm gonna talk spoilers. I figured at this point, I

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mean, hell if people are like going to the theater after

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seeing it, watching it on Netflix and then

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going to the theater to watch it again and do the sing along

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and stuff. I mean at this point, if you, if

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you know, if you resonate, you've probably seen the

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film. So I'm just going to assume that you know

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that.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Can we, can we rewind though? because

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you said a lot of really interesting things. and then you kept

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going and I was like, stop, Will, stop. Let me chime in here.

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>> Will: Sorry, sorry.

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>> Sarah : So I want to go back.

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Got it. I want to go back to what you're saying about

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picking up on little things. So besides the light stick,

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what. Can you give us more examples of the

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various nuances that, that you found,

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as they relate to fandom?

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>> Will: Yeah, the.

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And I don't want to get in trouble because I don't want to sound like I'm being,

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>> Sarah : No, I know. Don't, don't, don't worry about it. I've heard

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it all. I've heard it all. Like, like full

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disclaimer. I have been a

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K pop Stan since

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2021. Okay? So I've,

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I've, I've. I'm not a newbie.

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but I also, I'm not, I'm not an,

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ah, an old K Pop fan either.

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however, I do listen to second and third gen groups.

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Okay. I listen to Shiny. I know who Shiny is.

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Taemin is my mom's alt. So.

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Okay, so continue.

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>> Will: Well, yeah, yeah, just like I said, the

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light sticks, this, the, you know, the general things that

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it's, it's the fandom

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moments of,

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of, you know, the boy bands, the, the

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fans in the stands as far as just. And you

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see this. I mean it's kind of a universal thing as far as just

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people just, you know, crying in the stands

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and and you know, following

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every last, every last move that the band is doing

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and you know, so, you know, so those, the things

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like that, that are, that are pretty universal.

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But but like I said, the,

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those. That was sort of the, some of the

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fandom things that I, that I saw the Light sticks was the biggie.

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And then and also the earwarm nature of,

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of this. The songs. because

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that is to me as a, As a

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novice to. As someone who just

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sort of as a cas. A cat. I wouldn't even call myself a

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casual K Pop listener.

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>> Sarah : Right, right.

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>> Will: But. But someone who does, you know, from

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time to time listen to various

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songs. they are ear

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worms. And, and I can see

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why this genre has

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really just, just taken off because,

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you know, once you get one in your head, it, it stays there.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, to an extent.

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>> Will: I mean at least the good ones.

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>> Sarah : I know, I know, I know what you're getting at.

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Man, now I lost my thought. But,

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Yeah, the light sticks. So. So for who? Because

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that is one of the more unique things. Things

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in terms of K Pop. so

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for those who who don't

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Aren't aware of that is, Is that

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each of the groups have a light stick. Yeah.

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Capitalism at. At its finest.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Essentially you buy the light stick

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in order to attend concert. and when

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you go to the concert the light stick

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traditionally is hooked up to, To

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a to the Bluetooth. So it's Bluetooth

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controlled. And then it you're able

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to have your light stick part of the

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light show that goes on in the performance.

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So that it's a way for the

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groups to even to allow their

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fans to even to be. Feel as though

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they are a part of the,

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of the performance itself. Because

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that's arguably like,

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yeah, K pop is music. No, no, no.

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K pop transcends music because it's performance.

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they. A lot of the

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songs that get put out in K

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Pop specifically, they're not intended.

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And this is where like the divide comes

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between, between Western and Eastern culture.

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So over here

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music is often consumed

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via your earphones, via the

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radio. Right. So you just

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hear the sound and then it gets stuck in your head and

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everything. Now K Pop,

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what I found to be very unique about it

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is in Korea there are music

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shows. So do you remember the good old TRL

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from back in the early 2000s? I do,

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yeah. So think

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TRL. But not just music videos.

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We're talking. The groups go to

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these programs and perform

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their songs. Specifically whatever new

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single is out or new, what we call title

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track is out, as promotion. And

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then fans vote and every week

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they get crowned. And we're talking not one,

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we're not talking two, talking at least four to

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five of these. So during a

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promotional. When, when a K pop group releases an

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album they typically promote

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for two weeks to a month on

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these shows. So that's why there's so

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much dancing and then

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for new people. That is also

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why like the choreo is so

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big, is because it's,

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it's suddenly not just you're hearing

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the sound, it's also visually

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like you have to have a visual performance

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because you're on TV

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and you're, you're showcasing

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the choreography. And so a lot of the

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songs, in K Pop, I

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find I tell my mom all the time

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and other people who I know that are into K

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pop that, well, when you listen

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to the song, you have to remember

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you're just hearing half of it. Like

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they probably made that song because they're going to perform

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it. So you're not fully going to appreciate the song

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until you see it perform formed. So,

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so there, there is,

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so that's a very interesting,

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side of K Pop that I think.

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Why RM's RM from

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BTS. He's a leader of BTS. he said it

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best right around the time like butter came

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out and permission to dance. he said

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Butter. I think it's a really good song to listen on

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the radio. That is why BTS

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has in the early two, in the

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early, early 2020 kind of like

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just blew up in the States because suddenly

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they were making all English music

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and that was, that was

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accessible for car rides

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like their pop. Suddenly, suddenly it did it because

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I've seen. Let's let's call Spade a

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spade. Butter. The performance is not that great.

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Okay. It's okay. It's okay. But

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it's not anything shocking. However, Butter

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can be a fun song on the radio. Dynamite, of course.

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Fun song on the radio. And that's another thing.

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Like this whole, like the other thing

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about it is I believe

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only BTS's

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song Life Goes on is

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the only song by them.

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and I could be wrong about this, so, so

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please correct me. I, I, I am

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very familiar with bts. They were my gateway into

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this whole, K pop world. And I listened

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to them for nothing. I listened to only their

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music, for about six months straight.

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Like only them.

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>> Will: Like I remember that.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. And, and, and that's another

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thing. A lot of people who don't know a lot about K pop

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found, like, think that BTS was just

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like a one hit wonder. And it's like, no, no, no.

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They had seven years. They've been

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out since 2013, y'. All.

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Okay. They Were babies. Jungkook was a

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baby. but,

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but I, I've, I've lost my,

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my point on this.

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>> Will: Yeah, well, let me, let me just jump in because you

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said one of the things and, and, and, and

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that as you were describing the

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genre and the, and how, the

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performance aspect of it, that was something that I

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really, really picked up onto in this,

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in K Pop Demon Hunters, especially

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when you had the Hunx and the Saja

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Boys, with the whole, with the award show.

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>> Sarah : Oh, yeah, the word choice are big over there.

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Mamas. Mamas as we call them.

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Yeah, no, they really are like, that's the

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acronym. The acronym is Mama. Okay.

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We call it the Mama Award. They're totally

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rigged, but whatever.

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>> Will: Yeah, well, and again, and again, that was sort of like,

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okay, I know that this,

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this is another part of the, of the

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genre that as a

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cat, as a new, you know, that, I thought

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this film did a good job of really

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you, you know, really just capturing

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what all is that entails

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of K Pop. And again, like I said, I'm just a guy

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who just who knows it vicariously through you, but

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I know enough to be like, oh, yeah,

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I, I think I've heard Sarah talk about this. And you know,

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either, you know, either whenever we've had story, time

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with Sarah moments when you, you know, watch,

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K dramas on, on Netflix or other, or the

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platforms or just conversations we've had before and after

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shows where, you know, you'll, you'll share these things with me. And I

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was just like, so as I'm watching this, I was just like,

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oh, yeah, now I, I, I can relate.

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And, and as, as the movie progressed, and,

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and, and roomy, you know, whatever, whenever

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they were, you know, she was having issues with her voice and everything

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else, but also just,

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just that the performance aspect of it really

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just was big to me. And then

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also, and then again with the story

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just basically where you have, you know, the, the

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Huntricks and the SAA Boys, like

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basically, their, their rivalry and,

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and, and, and you know how.

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>> Sarah : Oh, I, I, I'm, I'm not, not to cut you off.

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I, I feel as

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someone who is

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obviously a bit more in it,

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they could have done more. They scratched the surface.

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There, there is so much because arguably,

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the, the fun,

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Korea, South Korea is a very small, very,

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very small country. Okay. Everyone knows

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everyone there. and so

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fans like to pit people,

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pit idols against one another. the

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idols themselves are typically friends.

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Like they, they, they grew up and

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and they didn't even. They didn't even talk.

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And this is another big difference, about the

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training systems over there. And yes,

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then people are going to think, oh, you're talking about the fact

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that it's manufactured. No, no, no,

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no, no. That is a

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misconception. Okay. They

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do training over there. We're

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talking, Let me think about an

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example of how long. I

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forget how long. Chris, from Stray Kids.

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He's the leader of Stray Kids Bangtan. how

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long he was. I think he was at

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JYP for a

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while. Like eight years or something.

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We're talking, Mark. I'm gonna do Mark. Mark

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from, Mark Lee from nct.

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Canadian. Korean. Canadian.

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He, he tried out for SM

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Entertainment when he was 14 or 15.

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He flies. He. He gets an

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offer to go to their training program. So him and his

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family pack up and they fly all the way to Korea.

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and he debuts two years later.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : Okay. And. Oh, oh, yeah, we're.

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We're talking. He debuted when he was 16.

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>> Will: So.

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>> Sarah : He, he only had two years. But we're some

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of these people, like four, six

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years. So they like, grew up together.

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and they, they live together and they

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do. So. So that team,

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they're,

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The training, they didn't go into. And I understand

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why they didn't go into. some

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of the. Also the, like, besides the light

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stick, they didn't. And I'm surprised

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by this. and you know me.

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yeah, so. So I was, I was

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surprised. There wasn't a single mention of photo cards.

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Okay.

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>> Will: I know that. Yes, that was one thing that

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was.

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>> Sarah : Mentioned to the very thing

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that has taken majority of my money

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for the past few years.

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>> Will: But I think I did see some of the fans in the audience

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and stuff. You know, maybe they didn't mention it, but I thought I did see

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some out there, you know, as far as just people

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carrying them.

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>> Sarah : Oh, yeah. And. And, and the merch.

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Like, the merch.

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>> Will: Yeah, the merch was a big part. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Oh. Like it goes beyond light

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sticks. It. It's, Right. I

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could. I could literally

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it there. They scratch the surface. And

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I think. Because. And I think a lot

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of this is also from my perspective as

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a fan versus the story,

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which is told from the idol's perspective and

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something that they did deep, go into.

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But I don't think. I don't know if a lot of

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people who are not familiar with K pop

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and not necessarily the music, but I'm talking about

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the world of K pop. I Don't

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know if this resonated as much as to like

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truly what they were trying to get at. But this

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whole idea that Rumi is hiding the scars.

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Okay. the

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scars, yes. They are signs that she

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is part demon. Like she has a

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flaw. And they kept bringing that up. They put

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emphasis on the flaw because

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it, in Korea. There's a reason why

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these pop stars as what we

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would refer to them as, are actually called

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idols. And that is because

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they are deemed perfect.

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>> Sarah : There's a, there's,

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there's a, an attention, a spotlight

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on them where these, these

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kids. Because majority of the

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time they're teenagers when they start. Okay.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Aemond was like 15 when he first debuted

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in 2008. Okay. The man is over

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30 now. he, and, and

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he's still going, but still to grow up

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in that industry and under that

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spotlight like it is.

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They're harsh over there.

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You, there's a reason why these guys are

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also really thin.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I noticed that was another

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thing too. I don't wanna, yeah. With the body

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image and the abs and

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all that kind of stuff. But yeah, continue with, with roomy and

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discards because I really want to hear, hear, hear about that.

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>> Sarah : Right, right. So, so I thought it was

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a really good subtle metaphor

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about the idea that

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these idols, they, they

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do struggle having a normal

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day, like a normal life because

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they are under that spotlight so much.

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And, and

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here's one of the, some of the darker side of K

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pop. The number of groups

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that I'm aware of that has had a

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quote unquote scandal. A member

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has been caught SC smoking weed,

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automatically kicked out of the group.

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>> Will: Wow.

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>> Sarah : I, I, I kid you not. And, and

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nine times out of ten it's because it

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was a rumor. A rumor that six

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months later gets proven false.

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>> Will: Oh man.

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>> Sarah : And then here's a more horrifying, here's a more horrifying

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example also. There's actually been

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a case where a member left a, left

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a group. Then it came out that

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he sexually assaulted someone only

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for him to then get blacklisted

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and to, to, to

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come out and also

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verify with lawyers and investigators and,

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and prove that that was all like fake, like

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false. Like fans over there

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are notorious for

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starting rumors and then

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those rumors automatically become truth

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and then members have to leave the

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groups. And again, to go back

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to my point about the training, you're

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talking about someone who basically

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has lived and grown up

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in like experience a very

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informative time of their lives with

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five or four or ten other

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people and then suddenly, like they

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are no longer part of that family.

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Like, it's. It's insane. The.

512
00:24:51,791 --> 00:24:54,271
The pressures over there because

513
00:24:54,831 --> 00:24:57,071
one false move or

514
00:24:57,471 --> 00:25:00,271
you accidentally piss off someone who

515
00:25:00,431 --> 00:25:03,151
then in turn has this like, weird

516
00:25:03,151 --> 00:25:05,311
power to manipulate something.

517
00:25:06,451 --> 00:25:09,011
Like the horror stories. I could tell you.

518
00:25:09,811 --> 00:25:12,771
It. It's. It's so. It is.

519
00:25:12,851 --> 00:25:15,811
It's. It's hard to,

520
00:25:15,961 --> 00:25:18,261
Because we see it with our celebrities over here.

521
00:25:18,421 --> 00:25:19,301
>> Will: Oh, yeah, yeah.

522
00:25:20,500 --> 00:25:22,941
>> Sarah : But a lot of times they're

523
00:25:22,941 --> 00:25:25,301
independent, right? Like,

524
00:25:25,781 --> 00:25:27,941
they. They are.

525
00:25:28,661 --> 00:25:31,541
The groups never became

526
00:25:31,621 --> 00:25:34,371
a, like a huge thing. And if it was, it was

527
00:25:34,371 --> 00:25:37,231
usually banned and. And you would have your front

528
00:25:37,231 --> 00:25:38,671
man. But there wasn't.

529
00:25:39,871 --> 00:25:42,561
There. There isn't that, There isn't

530
00:25:42,561 --> 00:25:45,281
that much known, like, oh, well, that.

531
00:25:45,521 --> 00:25:48,321
That scandal happened and then they got kicked out of the group

532
00:25:48,321 --> 00:25:51,201
or then they left. Like it's. It's few and far

533
00:25:51,201 --> 00:25:54,091
between. I would say it's a weird

534
00:25:54,091 --> 00:25:56,731
combination. If you were to take

535
00:25:57,051 --> 00:25:58,941
the. The microscopes,

536
00:25:59,931 --> 00:26:02,811
that is applied over in Britain on the Royal

537
00:26:02,811 --> 00:26:03,971
Family. Right.

538
00:26:03,971 --> 00:26:05,291
>> Will: Okay. Wow. Yeah.

539
00:26:05,291 --> 00:26:07,291
>> Sarah : And then. And then take that

540
00:26:07,931 --> 00:26:10,931
and kind of meld it with. With

541
00:26:10,931 --> 00:26:13,731
our paparazzi. I

542
00:26:13,731 --> 00:26:16,651
think in between there. Closer

543
00:26:16,651 --> 00:26:19,370
to the Royal Family. That's what you got

544
00:26:19,370 --> 00:26:21,891
going on with not all K pop

545
00:26:21,891 --> 00:26:23,691
idols, but the top

546
00:26:24,651 --> 00:26:27,371
got it like the. The top

547
00:26:27,371 --> 00:26:28,171
of the top.

548
00:26:29,141 --> 00:26:29,301
>> Will: The.

549
00:26:29,301 --> 00:26:32,221
>> Sarah : The big names from the big companies, which

550
00:26:32,221 --> 00:26:34,741
we call the big four, so.

551
00:26:35,061 --> 00:26:37,981
Which ATS is not part of the big four. Kq.

552
00:26:37,981 --> 00:26:40,821
They're the most. They're the most successful group,

553
00:26:40,821 --> 00:26:43,381
not part of the big four, so.

554
00:26:43,461 --> 00:26:44,421
>> Will: Oh, okay.

555
00:26:44,661 --> 00:26:47,631
>> Sarah : Just. Just fact. yeah,

556
00:26:47,791 --> 00:26:50,351
so. But. But the.

557
00:26:50,591 --> 00:26:53,471
You kind of get what I'm saying that I. I think

558
00:26:53,471 --> 00:26:56,431
it. I think it was a. Because

559
00:26:56,431 --> 00:26:59,351
the more I think about the story and the fact that

560
00:26:59,351 --> 00:27:01,831
it was told through the idol's

561
00:27:01,831 --> 00:27:04,351
perspective, it was a good metaphor

562
00:27:04,831 --> 00:27:07,511
that they used especially because she was

563
00:27:07,511 --> 00:27:10,471
afraid they were. They were going to find her flaws and then kick

564
00:27:10,471 --> 00:27:13,271
her out of the group and. And she would

565
00:27:13,271 --> 00:27:15,951
suddenly not know who she is

566
00:27:16,031 --> 00:27:18,991
and. And be. Be even more

567
00:27:18,991 --> 00:27:20,591
alone and isolated.

568
00:27:21,771 --> 00:27:24,691
And very similar thing was happening with

569
00:27:24,691 --> 00:27:27,691
Janu too, who we kind of got this

570
00:27:27,691 --> 00:27:30,651
understanding that he. In return

571
00:27:30,971 --> 00:27:31,371
for,

572
00:27:33,431 --> 00:27:35,991
greed and his voice and everything,

573
00:27:36,550 --> 00:27:39,311
he. He kind of isolated himself from his

574
00:27:39,311 --> 00:27:39,671
family.

575
00:27:40,391 --> 00:27:43,351
>> Will: Yeah. Isolated. Yeah. I mean, that was the thing too, that. The twist.

576
00:27:43,351 --> 00:27:46,271
One of the, you know, twist as far as, like whenever we found out

577
00:27:46,271 --> 00:27:49,111
what he did. Yeah, because he told. You know, he told me the

578
00:27:49,111 --> 00:27:51,831
story originally about the family and.

579
00:27:51,831 --> 00:27:54,631
And you know, now that you have like framed it

580
00:27:54,631 --> 00:27:57,431
with the Deeper like the

581
00:27:57,431 --> 00:27:59,791
training system and everything else because I mean we did

582
00:28:00,271 --> 00:28:02,911
that. That contextualizes the story

583
00:28:03,070 --> 00:28:05,671
even more for me that, that I'm like,

584
00:28:05,671 --> 00:28:08,631
oh, I, I'm appreciating this film a whole

585
00:28:08,631 --> 00:28:11,471
heck of a lot more because yeah, it did do,

586
00:28:11,471 --> 00:28:13,231
it did explore, it did

587
00:28:14,231 --> 00:28:17,031
touch on those elements. And yeah, you know, it was only an hour,

588
00:28:17,031 --> 00:28:19,871
30 minutes or so long, 40 minutes long. So they

589
00:28:19,871 --> 00:28:22,751
didn't go like too deep. But now that you've, now

590
00:28:22,751 --> 00:28:25,031
that you have like described some of those things,

591
00:28:26,071 --> 00:28:29,031
his story to me and, and even with Roomy

592
00:28:29,031 --> 00:28:31,951
and the scars and, and the lyrics, as far as some of the

593
00:28:31,951 --> 00:28:34,911
songs in particular, yeah, it all, it, it

594
00:28:34,911 --> 00:28:37,791
just, it's just so, I'm just so, so

595
00:28:37,791 --> 00:28:40,601
glad we're, we, we're talking about it tonight

596
00:28:40,601 --> 00:28:43,601
because it's just now when I watch it again, which I definitely

597
00:28:43,601 --> 00:28:46,161
will, it, it will definitely,

598
00:28:46,801 --> 00:28:49,761
definitely will resonate a lot more than it

599
00:28:49,761 --> 00:28:52,761
already has for me. Because now I'm like, oh yeah, I got the

600
00:28:52,761 --> 00:28:55,681
context for like these things, you

601
00:28:55,681 --> 00:28:57,121
know, these things happening here.

602
00:28:57,681 --> 00:29:00,561
>> Sarah : And I, I like the fact that

603
00:29:01,281 --> 00:29:03,521
this is done well enough

604
00:29:04,161 --> 00:29:07,021
where without that context

605
00:29:07,581 --> 00:29:10,141
you still appreciate it to an extent.

606
00:29:10,221 --> 00:29:13,061
Like not. It doesn't go from

607
00:29:13,061 --> 00:29:15,701
a bad to a good movie. It goes from a good

608
00:29:15,701 --> 00:29:18,501
movie to, oh, there's, there's

609
00:29:18,501 --> 00:29:21,371
more death. And that's, that's why it's it's

610
00:29:21,371 --> 00:29:23,571
doing the numbers, it's doing. Because

611
00:29:24,051 --> 00:29:26,811
people are going back again and again. And

612
00:29:26,811 --> 00:29:29,411
yes, I know a lot of that's also the children.

613
00:29:31,711 --> 00:29:34,671
I mean, here's a fun fact. I was on a

614
00:29:34,671 --> 00:29:36,351
FaceTime with my,

615
00:29:37,311 --> 00:29:39,471
my 13 month old niece

616
00:29:40,031 --> 00:29:42,431
and in the background I put on the song

617
00:29:42,431 --> 00:29:45,351
golden because I know, I know she loves

618
00:29:45,351 --> 00:29:48,231
music. And about halfway through you see

619
00:29:48,231 --> 00:29:50,991
the little pudgy arms go up and she

620
00:29:50,991 --> 00:29:51,871
starts to move.

621
00:29:55,471 --> 00:29:58,071
So it's, it's a very, it's a very

622
00:29:58,071 --> 00:30:00,891
bright sound that attracts

623
00:30:01,051 --> 00:30:04,011
a lot of people a lot of ages. And

624
00:30:04,091 --> 00:30:06,731
yes, they didn't go far into

625
00:30:06,811 --> 00:30:09,611
this world, but you can tell already there

626
00:30:09,611 --> 00:30:12,421
is so much more. And another

627
00:30:12,661 --> 00:30:15,501
thing, this is,

628
00:30:15,501 --> 00:30:18,381
this is just funny and, and yeah, I'm gonna, I'm

629
00:30:18,381 --> 00:30:21,301
gonna continue to bring up all the ATS facts because if you

630
00:30:21,301 --> 00:30:23,941
haven't figured it out, if you haven't done math,

631
00:30:25,141 --> 00:30:27,821
Another term that is very unique in K

632
00:30:27,821 --> 00:30:30,181
pop is the terms bias,

633
00:30:30,581 --> 00:30:32,981
bias, wrecker and alt.

634
00:30:33,221 --> 00:30:36,021
Okay, alt means

635
00:30:36,581 --> 00:30:39,381
a lot of different things to a lot of different people. But

636
00:30:39,381 --> 00:30:42,261
in my opinion the definition of alt is that they're

637
00:30:42,261 --> 00:30:45,061
your number one like, that is the group

638
00:30:45,221 --> 00:30:47,061
that above everyone else,

639
00:30:48,181 --> 00:30:51,141
like, like you. You don't know what

640
00:30:51,141 --> 00:30:53,981
it is. Okay. You don't know what it is, but you're

641
00:30:53,981 --> 00:30:56,821
like, they're. They're my all you. When you know, you know. Okay.

642
00:30:56,821 --> 00:30:58,101
Ateez is my all group.

643
00:30:58,661 --> 00:30:59,141
>> Will: Yeah.

644
00:30:59,941 --> 00:31:02,461
>> Sarah : My mom, who's like alt group is

645
00:31:02,461 --> 00:31:05,461
bts. Her alt of alts, though, is

646
00:31:05,461 --> 00:31:08,331
tament. right. Anyway. Anyway, look him

647
00:31:08,331 --> 00:31:11,011
up if you haven't. Okay,

648
00:31:12,611 --> 00:31:15,541
But. But, to talk about the Saga voice.

649
00:31:16,101 --> 00:31:18,911
Yeah, just a little bit. So. Fun fact,

650
00:31:20,111 --> 00:31:22,271
Ateez has been out since 2018.

651
00:31:22,751 --> 00:31:24,351
They've had a demon line.

652
00:31:25,791 --> 00:31:28,511
Did you not? I mean, this is. This is.

653
00:31:28,511 --> 00:31:30,511
No, this is historic fact.

654
00:31:31,231 --> 00:31:34,151
You. You can watch a guide from 2024 and

655
00:31:34,151 --> 00:31:36,991
they bring up the demon line. The demon line has been a

656
00:31:36,991 --> 00:31:39,911
thing. Okay, now what do you. When. When I say

657
00:31:39,911 --> 00:31:42,681
demon line, what does that mean? Okay, three. Three

658
00:31:42,681 --> 00:31:45,561
members in particular. Ateez is an eight

659
00:31:45,561 --> 00:31:48,481
member group. Okay. Technically, all eight of them are

660
00:31:48,481 --> 00:31:51,361
demons. Okay. But three of them, I'm

661
00:31:51,361 --> 00:31:54,041
talking Hanjun Sunwa son.

662
00:31:55,481 --> 00:31:58,461
They are, considered what we call the

663
00:31:58,461 --> 00:32:00,821
demon line because they.

664
00:32:02,501 --> 00:32:03,701
How do I put this?

665
00:32:05,381 --> 00:32:08,181
Keep it kind of rated PG 13. They,

666
00:32:08,421 --> 00:32:10,901
turn into somebody else when they're on stage.

667
00:32:11,461 --> 00:32:14,101
Just. Just the eyes roll back

668
00:32:14,101 --> 00:32:16,581
and they just become,

669
00:32:18,311 --> 00:32:19,991
they become possessed.

670
00:32:20,391 --> 00:32:20,951
>> Will: Yeah.

671
00:32:21,271 --> 00:32:24,151
>> Sarah : By something else. So I found it. I.

672
00:32:24,231 --> 00:32:27,151
I found it a lot of very funny and a lot of the

673
00:32:27,151 --> 00:32:29,991
fandom. And their fandom name is Atony.

674
00:32:30,311 --> 00:32:33,271
We found it funny that, like the Saga Boys,

675
00:32:33,641 --> 00:32:36,601
Demons and everything. And your idol, which.

676
00:32:36,681 --> 00:32:39,521
Your idol by the Saga

677
00:32:39,521 --> 00:32:42,411
Boys. here's a song to

678
00:32:42,411 --> 00:32:45,331
go and check out and another group, a group that's actually

679
00:32:45,331 --> 00:32:48,131
featured on the soundtrack. I was. I was very

680
00:32:48,211 --> 00:32:51,091
happy to hear Exo on

681
00:32:51,091 --> 00:32:53,571
the. On the soundtrack. Exo who,

682
00:32:55,381 --> 00:32:57,991
that's a huge group as well. they,

683
00:32:59,651 --> 00:33:02,451
They. Their song. Oh, man,

684
00:33:02,931 --> 00:33:05,651
I'm gonna. I'm bringing it up and

685
00:33:05,811 --> 00:33:08,691
I'm trying to think. They debuted and I want to

686
00:33:08,691 --> 00:33:11,171
say 2012. 2013.

687
00:33:12,291 --> 00:33:13,491
No, 2012.

688
00:33:15,811 --> 00:33:18,371
Their, debut song. I'm not talking

689
00:33:18,371 --> 00:33:21,371
Growl. Growl is not their debut song.

690
00:33:21,451 --> 00:33:24,451
Okay? Growl was the national anthem when

691
00:33:24,451 --> 00:33:26,651
it first came out, from what I understand

692
00:33:27,371 --> 00:33:30,330
became the national. But

693
00:33:30,330 --> 00:33:32,930
there's this song, and this is gonna bother me.

694
00:33:33,650 --> 00:33:36,530
I have to look this up. We'll talk some more

695
00:33:36,610 --> 00:33:37,890
while I look this up.

696
00:33:38,450 --> 00:33:41,040
>> Will: Yeah, as you look that up, I'm glad you brought up about

697
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,440
the Saja boys and. And the,

698
00:33:44,210 --> 00:33:47,130
the demons and stuff. And in

699
00:33:47,130 --> 00:33:49,090
particular with Gimoir,

700
00:33:49,890 --> 00:33:52,530
you know, you know, and. And Junior coming up with the.

701
00:33:52,690 --> 00:33:54,530
You know, how. How can

702
00:33:55,851 --> 00:33:58,851
the. How can they like, overtake the hunt

703
00:33:58,851 --> 00:34:01,721
tricks to keep the The, hormone from like, you know,

704
00:34:01,721 --> 00:34:04,601
forming and all the, you know, and all that kind of stuff. And it's like,

705
00:34:04,601 --> 00:34:07,281
okay, we'll just come up with a. A boy band. And.

706
00:34:07,361 --> 00:34:09,681
And that was one of the plot points that really

707
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,241
were. You know, that. That also

708
00:34:13,041 --> 00:34:16,001
when. With the story and. And how

709
00:34:16,561 --> 00:34:18,961
they did, you know, they did overtake

710
00:34:19,851 --> 00:34:21,771
the popularity, but for,

711
00:34:23,061 --> 00:34:25,981
You know, but for Roomy being able to, you know,

712
00:34:25,981 --> 00:34:28,941
to really, you know, break through the scars and break

713
00:34:28,941 --> 00:34:31,621
through, you know, and. And the. You know, the.

714
00:34:31,621 --> 00:34:34,381
The lot. I won't say. Like I said. Yeah, I was

715
00:34:34,381 --> 00:34:37,261
Lies in the. And the. The concealment of who she

716
00:34:37,261 --> 00:34:39,861
really is and just finding her voice and.

717
00:34:40,261 --> 00:34:43,021
And again, there at the.

718
00:34:44,251 --> 00:34:46,891
You know, I think that was the really powerful transformative

719
00:34:46,891 --> 00:34:49,851
moment of. Of the film where I was just

720
00:34:49,851 --> 00:34:52,651
like, really. That. That last like 20 minutes. I was

721
00:34:52,651 --> 00:34:55,531
just like super locked in. I mean, I wasn't. I was really

722
00:34:55,531 --> 00:34:58,011
before. But I think

723
00:34:59,130 --> 00:35:01,891
what work. What. What made this thing resonate

724
00:35:01,891 --> 00:35:04,891
so well for me was not only just the

725
00:35:04,891 --> 00:35:07,571
story that it was telling, but then, you know, the

726
00:35:07,571 --> 00:35:09,051
utilization of the music.

727
00:35:09,781 --> 00:35:10,061
>> Sarah : Yeah.

728
00:35:10,061 --> 00:35:13,061
>> Will: You know, to. To. To. To really share

729
00:35:13,061 --> 00:35:14,421
the story and really tell

730
00:35:15,781 --> 00:35:18,541
what, you know, this. That's. That's just, you know, it really

731
00:35:18,541 --> 00:35:21,381
reinforces the power of music as. As far as

732
00:35:21,461 --> 00:35:23,861
a way to like, channel emotion

733
00:35:24,261 --> 00:35:26,501
and what we're feeling and.

734
00:35:28,021 --> 00:35:31,021
And tell story. And. And that to me, that was what was

735
00:35:31,021 --> 00:35:33,981
the genius of. Of K pop Demon Hunter

736
00:35:33,981 --> 00:35:36,951
was just the blending of that. And then of

737
00:35:36,951 --> 00:35:39,751
course, it didn't hurt that it, you know, had the. The

738
00:35:39,911 --> 00:35:42,831
spider verse esque, you

739
00:35:42,831 --> 00:35:44,791
know, animation as we.

740
00:35:44,791 --> 00:35:45,151
>> Sarah : Yeah.

741
00:35:45,151 --> 00:35:48,111
>> Will: As well. So I think that was also another point that I think made it

742
00:35:48,111 --> 00:35:51,111
very accessible to a lot of folks also because that's sort of the style

743
00:35:51,111 --> 00:35:54,111
it's been. And it was made

744
00:35:54,111 --> 00:35:57,071
by Sony also. So, you know, so

745
00:35:57,071 --> 00:35:59,951
I think that's the style recently that people

746
00:35:59,951 --> 00:36:00,711
do like.

747
00:36:00,791 --> 00:36:03,601
>> Sarah : So yeah, I think

748
00:36:03,601 --> 00:36:06,241
spider verse did it better. But I did find this.

749
00:36:06,561 --> 00:36:09,481
Find this facts. Okay. EXO did debut in

750
00:36:09,481 --> 00:36:12,401
2012 and their debut song is called Mama.

751
00:36:13,361 --> 00:36:13,921
>> Will: Okay.

752
00:36:14,001 --> 00:36:16,901
>> Sarah : Okay. so a lot of Xols

753
00:36:16,901 --> 00:36:19,541
will. Will say would say argue that,

754
00:36:19,661 --> 00:36:22,351
your idol is pretty much Mama. And Mama is a

755
00:36:22,351 --> 00:36:25,231
bizarre song in my opinion. It's a very

756
00:36:25,231 --> 00:36:27,571
weird song. but

757
00:36:28,451 --> 00:36:31,091
yeah, and that. That's another

758
00:36:31,251 --> 00:36:34,091
thing. And I know that I'm referencing a lot of

759
00:36:34,091 --> 00:36:37,051
boy groups, but I did hear for a lot

760
00:36:37,051 --> 00:36:39,811
of people who are not familiar with K pop and

761
00:36:39,891 --> 00:36:41,731
pretty much if you're

762
00:36:42,210 --> 00:36:44,851
primarily familiar with western music,

763
00:36:45,011 --> 00:36:47,491
yeah, you know K pop because you know, at least

764
00:36:48,291 --> 00:36:51,091
bts. But girl K

765
00:36:51,091 --> 00:36:53,611
pop groups are actually

766
00:36:55,051 --> 00:36:57,131
who, how do I put this?

767
00:36:58,731 --> 00:37:01,731
From what I understand it specifically in

768
00:37:01,731 --> 00:37:04,611
Korea and arguably in Asia

769
00:37:04,611 --> 00:37:07,531
in general, girl K pop is actually bigger than

770
00:37:07,531 --> 00:37:10,011
boy K pop. So,

771
00:37:10,651 --> 00:37:13,531
so I, I, I, it's not

772
00:37:13,531 --> 00:37:15,051
exclusive to gender.

773
00:37:15,931 --> 00:37:16,491
>> Will: Yeah.

774
00:37:16,491 --> 00:37:18,971
>> Sarah : I want to make sure people are aware of

775
00:37:19,121 --> 00:37:21,801
Blackpink is a huge girl

776
00:37:21,801 --> 00:37:24,481
group, like just a worldwide girl group.

777
00:37:24,801 --> 00:37:27,521
There's also Netflix came out with

778
00:37:27,521 --> 00:37:30,401
Dream Academy which puts together a,

779
00:37:30,481 --> 00:37:33,321
not a K pop group, although they, they

780
00:37:33,321 --> 00:37:36,201
do go through the K pop system and do promote in

781
00:37:36,201 --> 00:37:38,961
Korea. But Cat's ah, Eye

782
00:37:39,201 --> 00:37:42,161
there are technically a world group. There's also.

783
00:37:43,041 --> 00:37:45,921
I'm going to make a plug for this group because I find this group to

784
00:37:45,921 --> 00:37:48,711
be fascinating. And they did just perform at

785
00:37:48,711 --> 00:37:51,591
Coachella this past year. Xg. Have

786
00:37:51,591 --> 00:37:52,671
I told you about xg?

787
00:37:52,671 --> 00:37:55,511
>> Will: Will, I think. Yeah, you have,

788
00:37:55,511 --> 00:37:56,351
you have, you did.

789
00:37:56,351 --> 00:37:56,711
>> Sarah : Okay.

790
00:37:56,711 --> 00:37:57,191
>> Will: Yeah. And.

791
00:37:57,191 --> 00:37:57,671
>> Sarah : Okay.

792
00:37:57,671 --> 00:37:58,191
>> Will: Yeah.

793
00:37:58,751 --> 00:37:59,791
>> Sarah : So XG

794
00:38:01,631 --> 00:38:04,471
is. Oh, I'm about to

795
00:38:04,471 --> 00:38:06,831
lose my card. my card because I,

796
00:38:07,781 --> 00:38:10,701
I suddenly was like XG is a, how many members

797
00:38:10,701 --> 00:38:13,511
are in XJ xg? they are an

798
00:38:13,511 --> 00:38:16,151
all female group who

799
00:38:16,231 --> 00:38:19,031
are all Japanese.

800
00:38:21,031 --> 00:38:23,431
They are born and raised in Japanese.

801
00:38:23,751 --> 00:38:26,501
Okay. they, they are

802
00:38:26,501 --> 00:38:28,461
under a Korean label,

803
00:38:29,341 --> 00:38:31,021
therefore they actually,

804
00:38:31,931 --> 00:38:34,931
promote in Korea. But all

805
00:38:34,931 --> 00:38:37,501
of their songs is in prime.

806
00:38:37,661 --> 00:38:39,821
Like I'm talking 99

807
00:38:40,061 --> 00:38:40,701
English.

808
00:38:41,501 --> 00:38:41,981
>> Will: Wow.

809
00:38:42,621 --> 00:38:45,021
>> Sarah : So they, they, they are from Japan,

810
00:38:46,061 --> 00:38:48,701
they sing in English and they

811
00:38:48,701 --> 00:38:51,701
promote in Korea. Okay, wrap

812
00:38:51,701 --> 00:38:54,301
your mind around that. Wrap your mind around that.

813
00:38:54,541 --> 00:38:57,541
And, and, and they are fluent in

814
00:38:57,541 --> 00:39:00,221
all three languages. Okay. And, and

815
00:39:00,221 --> 00:39:02,621
Kakona can rap in all three languages

816
00:39:03,381 --> 00:39:06,101
and so can Maya and so can

817
00:39:06,101 --> 00:39:08,901
Jiren. It's insane if you haven't

818
00:39:08,901 --> 00:39:11,621
watched the, the viral xg,

819
00:39:11,671 --> 00:39:14,521
tapes as they call it. but, but

820
00:39:14,521 --> 00:39:17,081
they're like, it's, it's

821
00:39:17,081 --> 00:39:18,241
interesting how

822
00:39:20,161 --> 00:39:22,671
the, the the K pop system,

823
00:39:25,111 --> 00:39:27,991
is suddenly like between

824
00:39:27,991 --> 00:39:30,891
XG and then Cat's Eye

825
00:39:30,891 --> 00:39:33,411
kind of blew up. I don't know how long

826
00:39:33,731 --> 00:39:35,971
they'll last though. That's just my opinion.

827
00:39:37,831 --> 00:39:40,551
they, they're now a world group and they're

828
00:39:40,551 --> 00:39:43,271
under one of the big four companies. So

829
00:39:43,271 --> 00:39:45,991
between that and their drama on Netflix,

830
00:39:46,071 --> 00:39:48,791
I know that they have a lot of buzz around them,

831
00:39:49,031 --> 00:39:51,951
but you can tell that there is

832
00:39:51,951 --> 00:39:54,871
something that the business

833
00:39:55,111 --> 00:39:58,111
side of the music that's coming

834
00:39:58,111 --> 00:40:00,551
out of Korea is very enticing,

835
00:40:00,951 --> 00:40:03,911
not only for, for us in the US

836
00:40:03,991 --> 00:40:06,551
but also worldwide because

837
00:40:06,711 --> 00:40:08,871
they want to Tap into that. Because

838
00:40:09,671 --> 00:40:12,631
of what, what you were just talking about not

839
00:40:12,631 --> 00:40:15,531
too long about the, that fandom.

840
00:40:15,921 --> 00:40:18,641
like, like I've heard some

841
00:40:18,641 --> 00:40:21,621
commentary coming out of this movie and I have

842
00:40:21,621 --> 00:40:24,181
to say, yeah, yeah,

843
00:40:24,181 --> 00:40:27,021
it's, it's. People don't,

844
00:40:28,301 --> 00:40:31,111
I don't think you quite understand the fandom,

845
00:40:31,061 --> 00:40:33,311
until you're actually in it.

846
00:40:34,031 --> 00:40:37,031
Because it, it just, it's like,

847
00:40:37,031 --> 00:40:39,951
oh, yeah, I, I, I get it. I, I understand.

848
00:40:40,111 --> 00:40:42,751
I'm like, no, no, you, you don't

849
00:40:43,071 --> 00:40:45,621
understand. I have had, never had.

850
00:40:46,591 --> 00:40:49,391
I, I live again for those who don't

851
00:40:49,391 --> 00:40:51,871
don't understand. I live in Alaska.

852
00:40:52,511 --> 00:40:55,511
Okay. I have to spend, I have to buy airline

853
00:40:55,511 --> 00:40:58,511
tickets. I have to buy, I have to pay

854
00:40:58,511 --> 00:41:01,471
for a hotel for at least two nights. I

855
00:41:01,471 --> 00:41:04,271
have to be able to get transportation

856
00:41:04,271 --> 00:41:07,031
to and from the venue and

857
00:41:07,031 --> 00:41:09,631
I have to have the light stick and oh yeah,

858
00:41:10,271 --> 00:41:13,081
the few times I've gone, I've, not the first time, but

859
00:41:13,081 --> 00:41:15,911
I've seen ATS and Content concert now four times.

860
00:41:16,071 --> 00:41:19,031
But I have to buy the merchandise. And we're

861
00:41:19,031 --> 00:41:21,711
talking about jerseys that are about a hundred dollars.

862
00:41:21,711 --> 00:41:24,671
Okay, so all of this is adding

863
00:41:24,671 --> 00:41:27,351
up now. I,

864
00:41:27,671 --> 00:41:30,231
I am a very responsible person.

865
00:41:32,951 --> 00:41:35,631
I can attest to that, that for some

866
00:41:35,631 --> 00:41:38,431
reason and, and I have

867
00:41:38,431 --> 00:41:40,231
so far only done this for one group.

868
00:41:41,991 --> 00:41:44,751
but I've, I, like,

869
00:41:44,751 --> 00:41:47,591
I can't explain it in detail. It's just

870
00:41:47,591 --> 00:41:50,471
like my desire to not only

871
00:41:50,551 --> 00:41:53,511
support them, but to be

872
00:41:53,511 --> 00:41:56,311
a part of that. That, to

873
00:41:56,311 --> 00:41:58,791
have that experience for my memory.

874
00:41:59,831 --> 00:42:02,671
Wow. Like, I have never. And oh yeah,

875
00:42:02,671 --> 00:42:05,361
I have. Also talking because I've done

876
00:42:05,361 --> 00:42:08,161
fan calls with two of the M members. Not to brag. Like,

877
00:42:08,321 --> 00:42:11,181
I have. I have. and, and I, I

878
00:42:11,181 --> 00:42:13,861
still have ptsd because son,

879
00:42:17,941 --> 00:42:20,900
he is a demon. Will, he is a demon. He

880
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:23,581
stole my soul during that three

881
00:42:23,581 --> 00:42:26,541
minute conversation. Too

882
00:42:26,541 --> 00:42:27,541
close to the camera.

883
00:42:28,101 --> 00:42:30,981
>> Will: Yep, I remember that.

884
00:42:30,981 --> 00:42:33,941
Remember doing some test test runs to make sure the platform

885
00:42:33,941 --> 00:42:34,821
worked with before you.

886
00:42:34,821 --> 00:42:35,221
>> Sarah : Yeah.

887
00:42:35,301 --> 00:42:38,111
>> Will: Whenever you had the call, I was get it. yeah,

888
00:42:38,591 --> 00:42:41,551
yeah. But I completely get what you're saying about fandom. And you know, like I said,

889
00:42:41,551 --> 00:42:44,471
you know, I can appreciate it from an academic standpoint, but,

890
00:42:44,471 --> 00:42:47,191
you know, but you. And, and

891
00:42:47,191 --> 00:42:50,071
so it's just so enjoyable for me. You know,

892
00:42:50,071 --> 00:42:52,631
I know whenever we, whenever we talked about

893
00:42:52,631 --> 00:42:55,141
covering this film, a couple weeks back,

894
00:42:56,761 --> 00:42:59,561
we, you know, yes, we, we are behind because

895
00:43:00,121 --> 00:43:02,471
at this juncture, know, it's, it's,

896
00:43:02,871 --> 00:43:05,831
it, it was already like popular and now it's just like

897
00:43:06,791 --> 00:43:09,751
everywhere. I mean, truly everywhere.

898
00:43:09,891 --> 00:43:12,881
but one Thing too, when you're talking about the girl K

899
00:43:12,881 --> 00:43:15,841
pop fans. And I know we want to talk peacemaker as well tonight, but

900
00:43:16,481 --> 00:43:19,451
that was one thing I did. To your point, they.

901
00:43:19,451 --> 00:43:22,091
They also did address

902
00:43:22,091 --> 00:43:24,811
that and that they are, you know, the. The

903
00:43:25,301 --> 00:43:28,101
girl K pop bands. Clear. You know, Huntress

904
00:43:28,101 --> 00:43:30,861
Huntrick is the band, you know, in the

905
00:43:30,861 --> 00:43:32,181
world. And.

906
00:43:32,421 --> 00:43:35,301
>> Sarah : Oh, I thought you were gonna bring up the fact that they showed

907
00:43:35,301 --> 00:43:38,261
twice singing the music at the end, which.

908
00:43:38,261 --> 00:43:40,261
Twice the big group over there.

909
00:43:41,220 --> 00:43:44,181
>> Will: Yeah, that too. That too. Yeah. No, you. You brought

910
00:43:44,181 --> 00:43:47,071
it up for me. But, yeah, but that. There's that. And then

911
00:43:47,071 --> 00:43:50,031
also, just to let you know, the last thing I'll say about

912
00:43:50,031 --> 00:43:53,011
it to you is just, you know, again, just, you know, from the

913
00:43:53,011 --> 00:43:55,731
beginning where they just talked about how.

914
00:43:55,971 --> 00:43:58,611
And we're going back to their point about story and song,

915
00:43:59,321 --> 00:44:02,081
where you've had these trios throughout time. And

916
00:44:02,081 --> 00:44:04,521
then, you know, they're clearly setting up the,

917
00:44:05,081 --> 00:44:08,001
you know, Huntricks now. But then at the end of the film where you

918
00:44:08,001 --> 00:44:09,321
have the

919
00:44:10,681 --> 00:44:13,681
band, the girls see these younger three,

920
00:44:13,681 --> 00:44:15,641
and I was just like, sequel.

921
00:44:16,841 --> 00:44:19,681
>> Sarah : See, I don't. I don't want them to go to the younger

922
00:44:19,681 --> 00:44:22,361
girls. I actually want an understand.

923
00:44:22,861 --> 00:44:25,501
I want a flashback. I want a prequel

924
00:44:25,821 --> 00:44:28,341
because I, I want to know what happened with

925
00:44:28,341 --> 00:44:30,791
Rami's roomies. Ah, birth mom,

926
00:44:30,791 --> 00:44:33,621
M. And birth father. I. I want to.

927
00:44:33,621 --> 00:44:36,301
I want to. I want to be told that story. Because that story

928
00:44:36,301 --> 00:44:37,741
sounded fascinating.

929
00:44:38,141 --> 00:44:38,621
>> Will: Yeah.

930
00:44:38,941 --> 00:44:41,901
>> Sarah : But to continue on this point

931
00:44:41,901 --> 00:44:44,741
about story and song, which I'm so

932
00:44:44,741 --> 00:44:47,741
glad you brought up again because this is really,

933
00:44:48,181 --> 00:44:50,901
something I want to talk about that I don't think people

934
00:44:50,901 --> 00:44:53,831
quite understand. K Pop.

935
00:44:54,071 --> 00:44:56,951
Another unique thing about K Pop and K Pop's music.

936
00:44:59,111 --> 00:45:02,041
A, lot of groups have not only a

937
00:45:02,041 --> 00:45:04,841
concept, but a storyline.

938
00:45:06,121 --> 00:45:07,161
A storyline

939
00:45:08,281 --> 00:45:10,361
storyline. And we're talking

940
00:45:11,641 --> 00:45:14,121
the music, the lyrics of the music,

941
00:45:15,821 --> 00:45:18,331
the, the the performances,

942
00:45:18,811 --> 00:45:21,291
the music videos are all connected.

943
00:45:21,451 --> 00:45:24,251
BTS is notorious for having what they

944
00:45:24,251 --> 00:45:27,051
call the BU storyline

945
00:45:27,531 --> 00:45:30,291
to the point where there's a movie, I believe, that's

946
00:45:30,291 --> 00:45:32,941
available on Amazon that is. Came, out

947
00:45:33,581 --> 00:45:36,531
recently. and it. And it basically took

948
00:45:36,531 --> 00:45:39,301
all of those and created the.

949
00:45:39,621 --> 00:45:41,701
Told the overall story of the BU

950
00:45:41,861 --> 00:45:44,751
storyline. there's a group called Enhyphen

951
00:45:44,751 --> 00:45:46,911
who just finished touring the States.

952
00:45:47,851 --> 00:45:50,681
they are, they have a vampire concept and

953
00:45:50,681 --> 00:45:53,481
they have a whole storyline. Ateez

954
00:45:54,361 --> 00:45:57,241
has one of the most fascinating stories

955
00:45:57,241 --> 00:46:00,041
and in my very, very biased opinion.

956
00:46:00,521 --> 00:46:03,001
Okay. And it's what drew me in.

957
00:46:03,661 --> 00:46:06,551
And they. They have it to a Point where there's

958
00:46:06,551 --> 00:46:08,391
a world A and there's a world Z.

959
00:46:09,351 --> 00:46:09,991
>> Will: Okay?

960
00:46:10,791 --> 00:46:13,591
>> Sarah : And there's a, there's a Chromer device

961
00:46:13,591 --> 00:46:16,511
that transports them. I, it

962
00:46:16,511 --> 00:46:19,271
would, we would be on this podcast for another two hours

963
00:46:21,111 --> 00:46:23,671
storyline for y'. All. But that is what

964
00:46:23,911 --> 00:46:26,471
sold me when I started

965
00:46:26,631 --> 00:46:29,551
figuring out the storyline and I

966
00:46:29,551 --> 00:46:32,271
watched YouTube explanations on

967
00:46:32,271 --> 00:46:35,031
it. And now all of a

968
00:46:35,031 --> 00:46:38,031
sudden, and to this day, I will watch

969
00:46:38,111 --> 00:46:40,591
a reactor react to one of their

970
00:46:40,751 --> 00:46:42,911
albums that came out in

971
00:46:43,311 --> 00:46:45,391
2018 or 2019.

972
00:46:46,271 --> 00:46:49,231
And I will continue to take screenshots of

973
00:46:49,231 --> 00:46:52,071
lyrics on these, about these songs and be

974
00:46:52,071 --> 00:46:54,191
like, oh, my God, there,

975
00:46:54,831 --> 00:46:57,551
there's a song called Desire that they released on their

976
00:46:57,551 --> 00:47:00,441
second album. And there's a lyric about

977
00:47:00,761 --> 00:47:03,721
not being able to see but just being able to feel.

978
00:47:04,201 --> 00:47:07,081
Well, there's now like, fast

979
00:47:07,081 --> 00:47:09,561
forward seven years later, they released a song called

980
00:47:09,641 --> 00:47:11,961
Blind, which is all about

981
00:47:12,041 --> 00:47:14,761
desire. So it

982
00:47:14,761 --> 00:47:17,641
is, it is so connected. It's, it's

983
00:47:17,641 --> 00:47:20,281
just the, and then also their

984
00:47:20,281 --> 00:47:22,681
albums, their, their

985
00:47:22,681 --> 00:47:25,201
albums are. There's three versions of the

986
00:47:25,201 --> 00:47:27,081
albums. Again, capitalism

987
00:47:27,961 --> 00:47:30,921
at its finest. Right? And

988
00:47:30,921 --> 00:47:33,881
you have the A version, the Z version, and then what we call

989
00:47:33,881 --> 00:47:36,681
the diary version. Like, the diary

990
00:47:36,681 --> 00:47:39,241
versions have chapters.

991
00:47:40,201 --> 00:47:41,721
Like we're talking books.

992
00:47:43,561 --> 00:47:46,441
Like, like, so, so I,

993
00:47:46,681 --> 00:47:48,881
I, I, think you're right. Like,

994
00:47:49,761 --> 00:47:51,841
I think what they nailed

995
00:47:52,481 --> 00:47:55,041
is that idea that,

996
00:47:56,091 --> 00:47:58,851
that me, it's, it's. I wouldn't even call this a

997
00:47:58,851 --> 00:48:01,051
musical. It's just that the music

998
00:48:01,931 --> 00:48:04,731
helped reinforce ideas

999
00:48:04,971 --> 00:48:07,851
about or themes within this story

1000
00:48:07,931 --> 00:48:10,731
that they're telling, which is

1001
00:48:10,731 --> 00:48:13,611
a very K pop thing that

1002
00:48:13,691 --> 00:48:16,251
I, I into. Until

1003
00:48:16,491 --> 00:48:19,371
you find it, it just goes over your head.

1004
00:48:19,451 --> 00:48:22,331
And this is my last thing. And I just have to make this

1005
00:48:22,331 --> 00:48:24,981
plus plug, because I will tell

1006
00:48:24,981 --> 00:48:27,501
you, there are two songs

1007
00:48:28,141 --> 00:48:31,031
that, that arguably is

1008
00:48:31,031 --> 00:48:33,911
what sold me on this idea of the,

1009
00:48:34,391 --> 00:48:37,111
of the K pop story. And if I

1010
00:48:37,191 --> 00:48:40,031
have any recommendations, it would be these two

1011
00:48:40,031 --> 00:48:41,991
songs, and they're actually BTS songs.

1012
00:48:42,471 --> 00:48:43,031
>> Will: Okay.

1013
00:48:43,271 --> 00:48:45,911
>> Sarah : If you are at all, after watching this

1014
00:48:45,911 --> 00:48:48,871
movie, interested in this idea of

1015
00:48:48,871 --> 00:48:50,631
storytelling and music,

1016
00:48:52,151 --> 00:48:55,111
go and watch the music video for BTS's

1017
00:48:55,111 --> 00:48:55,991
Spring Day.

1018
00:48:56,951 --> 00:48:57,511
>> Will: Okay?

1019
00:48:57,751 --> 00:49:00,071
>> Sarah : Okay. Watch that music video

1020
00:49:01,271 --> 00:49:03,911
without lyrics and then with lyrics. Okay.

1021
00:49:04,791 --> 00:49:07,431
Then on YouTube, there's

1022
00:49:07,431 --> 00:49:10,431
explanations and you

1023
00:49:10,431 --> 00:49:13,391
will trust me. It doesn't take very long before you

1024
00:49:13,391 --> 00:49:16,071
get the right explanation videos for the Spring Day.

1025
00:49:16,391 --> 00:49:18,871
Not only song, but music video.

1026
00:49:19,851 --> 00:49:20,331
Okay?

1027
00:49:20,811 --> 00:49:21,371
>> Will: Okay.

1028
00:49:22,491 --> 00:49:25,451
>> Sarah : It's a whole thing. The other song.

1029
00:49:26,091 --> 00:49:28,771
And, and I would, I would, I recommend

1030
00:49:28,771 --> 00:49:31,291
listening to the song with.

1031
00:49:31,531 --> 00:49:34,411
Find the lyric video so you understand, but

1032
00:49:34,411 --> 00:49:36,731
then find their performance of it.

1033
00:49:37,211 --> 00:49:40,011
Oh my God, I love the performance. Magic Shop.

1034
00:49:41,531 --> 00:49:44,331
Magic Shop has some of the

1035
00:49:44,331 --> 00:49:47,111
most beautiful lyrics. And if you

1036
00:49:47,111 --> 00:49:49,351
don't know what a magic shop is,

1037
00:49:50,231 --> 00:49:53,031
look it up. Because. Because it

1038
00:49:53,031 --> 00:49:55,201
just. It just, It makes.

1039
00:49:56,401 --> 00:49:59,201
Like, once you start figuring

1040
00:49:59,361 --> 00:50:02,081
out. And we're not even talking translations,

1041
00:50:02,881 --> 00:50:05,841
we're just talking, like, why are they using that metaphor?

1042
00:50:06,001 --> 00:50:08,321
Well, Magic Shop relates to. Actually

1043
00:50:08,881 --> 00:50:10,801
a psychological thing

1044
00:50:11,691 --> 00:50:14,661
to. To find hope in peace. if

1045
00:50:14,661 --> 00:50:17,611
I remember correctly. But, those are the

1046
00:50:17,611 --> 00:50:19,731
two songs I would recommend, so.

1047
00:50:19,731 --> 00:50:22,651
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. Place of Healing and Self Discovery. Yeah, yeah. I

1048
00:50:22,651 --> 00:50:24,811
mean, yeah, yeah. I was looking it up.

1049
00:50:25,371 --> 00:50:28,331
>> Sarah : Yeah. Place appealing. Yeah. So.

1050
00:50:28,491 --> 00:50:31,261
So, Yeah, yeah, I can. I.

1051
00:50:31,661 --> 00:50:33,421
I have listened to,

1052
00:50:34,711 --> 00:50:37,671
Magic Shop has, like. It's not a song I play all

1053
00:50:37,671 --> 00:50:40,561
the time, but, as I'm talking about

1054
00:50:40,561 --> 00:50:43,401
it, this is what K Pop does for me. I

1055
00:50:43,401 --> 00:50:45,721
can hear the chorus play in my head,

1056
00:50:46,201 --> 00:50:49,041
like. And I was. So I was talking to my mom the

1057
00:50:49,041 --> 00:50:51,841
other week. I was like. I was like, it's so

1058
00:50:51,841 --> 00:50:54,841
weird to me how there are songs I haven't

1059
00:50:54,841 --> 00:50:57,681
listened to in maybe a year. And I'll wake up one

1060
00:50:57,681 --> 00:50:59,961
day and it'll just be playing in my head

1061
00:51:02,581 --> 00:51:05,421
randomly. And I'm like, I don't even listen to that song so

1062
00:51:05,421 --> 00:51:08,341
much. What are you doing? But, So

1063
00:51:08,341 --> 00:51:11,221
now that we've spent an hour talking about K

1064
00:51:11,221 --> 00:51:13,981
Pop Demon Hunters, clearly I could

1065
00:51:13,981 --> 00:51:16,941
talk longer. But we do need to

1066
00:51:16,941 --> 00:51:18,341
talk about peace. Baker.

1067
00:51:18,661 --> 00:51:21,661
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. Before. Before, I. I know I said I

1068
00:51:21,661 --> 00:51:24,341
was dumb, but I do. I am curious. What

1069
00:51:24,501 --> 00:51:27,431
of the songs in K Pop Demon Hunters,

1070
00:51:27,431 --> 00:51:28,391
which one was your favorite?

1071
00:51:30,071 --> 00:51:32,711
>> Sarah : I. The. The. I wouldn't say

1072
00:51:32,791 --> 00:51:35,711
any of them. Like, I will be honest. I didn't download any

1073
00:51:35,711 --> 00:51:38,601
of them. not because I didn't like any of them, because I

1074
00:51:38,601 --> 00:51:41,591
just. It's, I don't know. I. I just. I wasn't

1075
00:51:41,591 --> 00:51:43,511
like, oh, I want to listen to this all the time.

1076
00:51:44,711 --> 00:51:46,991
Golden, has gotten stuck in my head the most.

1077
00:51:47,631 --> 00:51:48,191
>> Will: Okay.

1078
00:51:50,731 --> 00:51:53,091
>> Sarah : The K Pop Idols. The boy K Pop

1079
00:51:53,091 --> 00:51:55,451
Idols cover of Golden.

1080
00:51:55,931 --> 00:51:58,411
Yeah, yeah, yeah. My boy Jungle.

1081
00:51:58,651 --> 00:51:59,131
Yep.

1082
00:51:59,451 --> 00:52:02,451
>> Will: Anyway, for me, it's what it sounds like,

1083
00:52:02,451 --> 00:52:05,101
but, But Golden's also very, very close. Yeah,

1084
00:52:05,341 --> 00:52:07,101
Golden's very close as well. But,

1085
00:52:07,071 --> 00:52:08,631
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah.

1086
00:52:09,991 --> 00:52:12,911
All right, so now,

1087
00:52:12,911 --> 00:52:15,201
that I've ex, Like, like,

1088
00:52:15,201 --> 00:52:18,161
exhausted myself on K Pop Demon Hunters.

1089
00:52:18,501 --> 00:52:21,491
so I have very little energy for this Peacemaker discussion. We

1090
00:52:21,491 --> 00:52:24,331
are going to talk. Episode one, the Ties that Grind.

1091
00:52:24,731 --> 00:52:27,371
Peacemaker interviews for a spot on the Justice Gang,

1092
00:52:27,371 --> 00:52:30,291
while Harcourt struggles to find work on the

1093
00:52:30,291 --> 00:52:31,050
heels of

1094
00:52:33,131 --> 00:52:35,941
why do they put her name at the

1095
00:52:36,521 --> 00:52:39,471
bombshell, press conference, economics

1096
00:52:39,471 --> 00:52:42,301
is Economists is forced to surveil

1097
00:52:42,301 --> 00:52:45,301
Peacemaker while under Rick Filig's senior's

1098
00:52:45,301 --> 00:52:48,141
new management. Well, okay,

1099
00:52:48,621 --> 00:52:50,861
all right, well, what do you think about Peacemaker?

1100
00:52:52,381 --> 00:52:55,261
>> Will: Picked up right where I left off. I will say

1101
00:52:55,261 --> 00:52:57,931
though, the just, just, just out, out of the gate.

1102
00:52:57,931 --> 00:53:00,691
The, the I

1103
00:53:00,691 --> 00:53:03,371
loved everything about it except I will say

1104
00:53:03,851 --> 00:53:06,691
the iconic season one

1105
00:53:06,691 --> 00:53:09,691
opening. The season two opening did not do

1106
00:53:09,691 --> 00:53:12,571
it as much for me. I liked it, but you know, but I

1107
00:53:12,571 --> 00:53:15,411
just, that's just, that's just my own personal preference.

1108
00:53:15,491 --> 00:53:18,061
But but as far as the show itself, I

1109
00:53:18,221 --> 00:53:21,021
really, really did enjoy it. And

1110
00:53:21,861 --> 00:53:24,341
and I really liked

1111
00:53:24,741 --> 00:53:27,741
the fact that, you know, we, we,

1112
00:53:27,741 --> 00:53:30,541
we were finding these characters after saving the

1113
00:53:30,541 --> 00:53:33,011
world. you know, this is where

1114
00:53:33,531 --> 00:53:36,011
speaking of story, as we were talking about before with K Pop

1115
00:53:36,171 --> 00:53:38,571
Demon Hunters and how story works. And

1116
00:53:39,371 --> 00:53:41,771
I think for me what Peacemaker

1117
00:53:42,171 --> 00:53:44,651
really shows is how

1118
00:53:45,211 --> 00:53:47,891
solid a storyteller James Gun really

1119
00:53:47,891 --> 00:53:50,661
is. Because, I think of two,

1120
00:53:51,061 --> 00:53:53,621
two key, two key scenes that happen in this

1121
00:53:53,621 --> 00:53:56,511
episode. And you probably know which one too. I'm talking about

1122
00:53:56,751 --> 00:53:59,391
for, for, for Chris and for,

1123
00:53:59,551 --> 00:54:01,421
for Harcourt. And

1124
00:54:02,381 --> 00:54:05,301
yeah, you know, there's a lot of discussion of shock value about the

1125
00:54:05,301 --> 00:54:07,981
orgy and all that kind of stuff. But to me,

1126
00:54:08,541 --> 00:54:11,301
what Peacemaker was

1127
00:54:11,301 --> 00:54:14,261
really seeking there in, in that, in

1128
00:54:14,261 --> 00:54:17,101
that scene and also with hardcore and her going to the

1129
00:54:17,101 --> 00:54:20,061
bar fight wasn't about the shock value

1130
00:54:20,141 --> 00:54:22,861
or her just kicking some ass. It was just really

1131
00:54:22,941 --> 00:54:25,901
both of them just having a hole in their soul

1132
00:54:25,901 --> 00:54:27,511
that they're trying to like, find

1133
00:54:28,471 --> 00:54:31,271
meaning and, and a

1134
00:54:31,271 --> 00:54:33,911
purpose that you ah, know, that

1135
00:54:34,151 --> 00:54:37,071
really was one of the things that just sort of

1136
00:54:37,071 --> 00:54:40,071
really resonated throughout

1137
00:54:40,471 --> 00:54:42,351
this, this, this first episode for.

1138
00:54:42,351 --> 00:54:45,061
>> Sarah : Me, to just focus

1139
00:54:45,061 --> 00:54:47,861
on one of those scenes and one of those

1140
00:54:47,861 --> 00:54:50,691
characters first, Harcourt, Is

1141
00:54:50,691 --> 00:54:53,651
it wrong to know that she was

1142
00:54:53,811 --> 00:54:56,621
a. Appropriately diagnosed. Like she

1143
00:54:56,621 --> 00:54:59,181
does have toxic masculinity.

1144
00:55:02,941 --> 00:55:04,221
>> Will: She does.

1145
00:55:04,701 --> 00:55:07,021
>> Sarah : Let's call a spade a spade.

1146
00:55:07,981 --> 00:55:10,901
Yeah, Yeah, I think I,

1147
00:55:10,901 --> 00:55:13,371
I, I agree, to an extent that,

1148
00:55:13,851 --> 00:55:16,101
that Harcourt clearly,

1149
00:55:17,651 --> 00:55:20,461
just lost and very

1150
00:55:21,101 --> 00:55:23,821
out of her element being blackballed,

1151
00:55:23,851 --> 00:55:26,531
blacklisted by Amanda Waller.

1152
00:55:27,041 --> 00:55:29,761
so, and, and not

1153
00:55:29,761 --> 00:55:31,681
knowing like she,

1154
00:55:32,481 --> 00:55:35,241
she knows nothing else. And a lot

1155
00:55:35,241 --> 00:55:38,131
of, a lot of people, who

1156
00:55:38,131 --> 00:55:40,881
lose their jobs or find

1157
00:55:40,881 --> 00:55:43,291
theirself at somewhat of a urgent early

1158
00:55:43,291 --> 00:55:46,291
midlife crisis. They, they go through that

1159
00:55:46,291 --> 00:55:47,731
period of like,

1160
00:55:49,571 --> 00:55:52,411
what am I? Like what is this all for? In that

1161
00:55:52,411 --> 00:55:55,101
purpose? And the purpose. Ah,

1162
00:55:55,101 --> 00:55:58,051
now I, I'm unlike you. I have not re Watched

1163
00:55:58,051 --> 00:56:01,051
The Peacemaker Season 1, but I

1164
00:56:01,051 --> 00:56:03,651
do vaguely recall purpose being

1165
00:56:03,811 --> 00:56:06,291
a fundamental theme of

1166
00:56:06,471 --> 00:56:09,191
season one. And it's continues because

1167
00:56:09,591 --> 00:56:12,591
even though the season one

1168
00:56:12,591 --> 00:56:15,481
arc wrapped up, and they did save the world,

1169
00:56:15,961 --> 00:56:18,681
it doesn't mean like these guys have

1170
00:56:18,681 --> 00:56:21,371
suddenly found themselves, and it's also

1171
00:56:21,371 --> 00:56:24,251
interesting that it's, it's not only Peacemaker,

1172
00:56:24,411 --> 00:56:26,651
like this whole gang now,

1173
00:56:27,291 --> 00:56:30,251
and I'm not talking justice gang, this whole crew

1174
00:56:30,891 --> 00:56:33,351
has, has now find

1175
00:56:33,591 --> 00:56:36,431
found themselves displaced. And I, I

1176
00:56:36,431 --> 00:56:39,191
think, I think what really hit that nail on,

1177
00:56:39,431 --> 00:56:42,431
in terms of these other characters, not I'm not

1178
00:56:42,431 --> 00:56:45,431
talking Chris Chris slash Peacemaker quite yet,

1179
00:56:45,751 --> 00:56:48,471
but was that whole scene with,

1180
00:56:48,681 --> 00:56:50,381
economists and

1181
00:56:50,871 --> 00:56:54,551
Abio.

1182
00:56:55,191 --> 00:56:58,111
Abio. I'm gonna get it by the end of the

1183
00:56:58,111 --> 00:57:00,571
season. Abio, and when he

1184
00:57:01,131 --> 00:57:04,011
tells her, like, I've been,

1185
00:57:04,011 --> 00:57:06,571
Sir, I've been tasked to serve

1186
00:57:07,131 --> 00:57:10,131
run surveillance on, on Chris's

1187
00:57:10,131 --> 00:57:13,051
house and, and I found this

1188
00:57:13,051 --> 00:57:15,851
evidence of him and this dimension.

1189
00:57:16,011 --> 00:57:19,011
And I don't like, I, I

1190
00:57:19,011 --> 00:57:21,531
thought the actor did a good job of clearly,

1191
00:57:22,731 --> 00:57:25,611
even though it's not like, oh, I've known him since

1192
00:57:25,611 --> 00:57:28,431
I was five years old. There's a clear loyalty

1193
00:57:28,431 --> 00:57:30,231
slash bond there

1194
00:57:31,111 --> 00:57:33,991
that he can't, he can't, he

1195
00:57:33,991 --> 00:57:36,791
can't in good faith suddenly

1196
00:57:36,791 --> 00:57:39,111
just like, be like, well, I'm just doing my job,

1197
00:57:39,591 --> 00:57:42,391
while at the same time it's kind of like, but

1198
00:57:42,471 --> 00:57:44,791
this is my job. And

1199
00:57:45,191 --> 00:57:47,911
I like the conflict was very

1200
00:57:47,991 --> 00:57:50,911
real there. And I like how

1201
00:57:50,911 --> 00:57:53,511
it was bounced off of Amanda

1202
00:57:53,511 --> 00:57:56,381
Waller's job daughter, who is Al,

1203
00:57:56,541 --> 00:57:59,461
who, who's one of them who's

1204
00:57:59,461 --> 00:58:02,221
taking like this opposite, like,

1205
00:58:02,221 --> 00:58:05,021
while, while everyone else is kind of like,

1206
00:58:05,741 --> 00:58:07,901
I don't know what to do

1207
00:58:08,701 --> 00:58:11,581
because I can't do the thing I was meant to

1208
00:58:11,581 --> 00:58:14,501
do anymore. She's like, I

1209
00:58:14,501 --> 00:58:16,821
got my cards. We're gonna, we're

1210
00:58:16,821 --> 00:58:19,781
positivity. We're gonna do this. I was kicked

1211
00:58:19,781 --> 00:58:22,741
out of my house. Like, like me and

1212
00:58:22,741 --> 00:58:25,541
my girl aren't together anymore more. But, you know,

1213
00:58:25,541 --> 00:58:27,101
we're, we're still alive.

1214
00:58:27,981 --> 00:58:30,941
>> Will: Yep. Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, you

1215
00:58:30,941 --> 00:58:32,861
know, yeah,

1216
00:58:33,981 --> 00:58:36,821
I didn't really think of it that way. But you're right. She,

1217
00:58:36,821 --> 00:58:38,541
she does have her stuff together.

1218
00:58:38,541 --> 00:58:41,541
>> Sarah : I mean, she, I, I don't, I didn't say

1219
00:58:41,541 --> 00:58:41,821
that.

1220
00:58:43,261 --> 00:58:46,101
>> Will: Relatives, relative, relative to

1221
00:58:46,101 --> 00:58:46,861
everyone else.

1222
00:58:47,821 --> 00:58:50,581
>> Sarah : I, I, I don't think she's has her stuff together

1223
00:58:50,651 --> 00:58:52,171
together. I think she's,

1224
00:58:55,131 --> 00:58:57,531
I think she's putting on a false

1225
00:58:57,611 --> 00:58:59,931
mask of confidence

1226
00:59:00,731 --> 00:59:03,471
because, if she were to. Because

1227
00:59:03,871 --> 00:59:06,350
it's not just that her job is to

1228
00:59:06,591 --> 00:59:09,551
her personal life went to. So she's

1229
00:59:09,551 --> 00:59:12,191
very similar in a way. She's more

1230
00:59:12,271 --> 00:59:14,911
similar to what's going on with Chris right now

1231
00:59:15,311 --> 00:59:18,071
than then hardcore where.

1232
00:59:18,311 --> 00:59:21,191
Where she is suddenly. And. And also

1233
00:59:21,191 --> 00:59:24,151
the betrayal with her mom. Like. Like,

1234
00:59:24,231 --> 00:59:27,071
I feel like the. The mask

1235
00:59:27,071 --> 00:59:29,031
she put up is

1236
00:59:30,071 --> 00:59:32,951
such a statement of falsehood when. But

1237
00:59:33,511 --> 00:59:36,151
it's. It's just like if I were

1238
00:59:36,231 --> 00:59:39,111
to. To really look at all

1239
00:59:39,111 --> 00:59:41,911
of the. That is going wrong in my life right

1240
00:59:41,911 --> 00:59:44,681
now, I would probably commit suicide. That, you know,

1241
00:59:44,761 --> 00:59:47,761
like. Like it's a. It's a defense mechanism

1242
00:59:47,761 --> 00:59:50,651
is what I'm trying to say more. So. But

1243
00:59:50,651 --> 00:59:53,651
it also allows there to be,

1244
00:59:54,631 --> 00:59:57,601
balance among all these characters where they're.

1245
00:59:57,601 --> 01:00:00,561
They are going through similar things, but they're having

1246
01:00:00,561 --> 01:00:03,561
different responses, which I think is necessary

1247
01:00:03,801 --> 01:00:06,041
so that we can see different

1248
01:00:07,881 --> 01:00:10,611
how. How different individuals would respond

1249
01:00:10,761 --> 01:00:13,321
on. In this situation. I mean, arguably,

1250
01:00:13,321 --> 01:00:15,641
she's taken more of the vigilante

1251
01:00:15,961 --> 01:00:16,521
route.

1252
01:00:20,201 --> 01:00:23,201
>> Will: Yeah, vigilante's back at. Yeah, he's back at the. Back at

1253
01:00:23,201 --> 01:00:25,931
the restaurant. And. And, You know, and

1254
01:00:26,250 --> 01:00:28,651
still. Yeah, I love that call between him.

1255
01:00:28,651 --> 01:00:30,891
Economist with the whole owl thing. And,

1256
01:00:31,511 --> 01:00:34,311
And, you know. And again, he just really wants that belonging

1257
01:00:34,311 --> 01:00:35,991
because he.

1258
01:00:36,311 --> 01:00:39,231
>> Sarah : Because, well, it's. It's

1259
01:00:39,231 --> 01:00:41,511
belonging with this group of people

1260
01:00:41,991 --> 01:00:44,831
more so than. Than. It's not the same

1261
01:00:44,831 --> 01:00:47,551
belonging as Harcourt is missing

1262
01:00:47,551 --> 01:00:50,391
with. Like, I need to

1263
01:00:50,391 --> 01:00:53,390
do the thing that I've been doing, and

1264
01:00:53,390 --> 01:00:55,271
it's all I've ever known. Like,

1265
01:00:55,431 --> 01:00:58,351
vigilante. On that phone call, you don't get

1266
01:00:58,351 --> 01:01:00,951
the sense that he's mad, that he's still

1267
01:01:01,591 --> 01:01:04,471
like a waiter or anything. He's just like, I'm still living

1268
01:01:04,471 --> 01:01:07,221
my life. But now I have these people that I can

1269
01:01:07,221 --> 01:01:10,061
continue to call even though they clearly don't want to

1270
01:01:10,061 --> 01:01:12,821
talk to me and have

1271
01:01:12,821 --> 01:01:15,701
these nuanced conversations with. And then, like,

1272
01:01:15,701 --> 01:01:18,621
I'm gonna go and invite myself to this guy who

1273
01:01:18,621 --> 01:01:21,301
I barely know, sweating. Like. Like. Yeah,

1274
01:01:21,301 --> 01:01:22,101
his life.

1275
01:01:22,981 --> 01:01:25,621
>> Will: So that's his life. Yeah, I mean,

1276
01:01:25,621 --> 01:01:28,581
he's. I think he is. Yeah. I mean, he is,

1277
01:01:28,581 --> 01:01:31,461
I guess Mo. Maybe the most constant. Yeah,

1278
01:01:31,941 --> 01:01:34,501
yeah, yeah. He. He is who he is.

1279
01:01:35,381 --> 01:01:38,061
And. And to your point, I'm glad you. I'm glad you, like,

1280
01:01:38,061 --> 01:01:41,061
corrected me there about Adebayo. And. And really, she doesn't have

1281
01:01:41,061 --> 01:01:43,941
things together because you're right. Yeah, she's. She really is

1282
01:01:43,941 --> 01:01:46,741
trying to, like, you know, she's trying to set herself up and

1283
01:01:46,981 --> 01:01:49,941
really, you know, go into, like. What was the 11th Street

1284
01:01:49,941 --> 01:01:52,662
Kids? is. I think the name of Their, their little, Little

1285
01:01:52,662 --> 01:01:55,492
Mary band, and, and

1286
01:01:56,532 --> 01:01:59,452
going full forward with this. But you're right. I mean, everything else in her

1287
01:01:59,452 --> 01:02:02,412
life is just, has gone to the weight, you know, to

1288
01:02:02,412 --> 01:02:05,332
shambles. And, and, and, and so

1289
01:02:05,332 --> 01:02:07,932
I'm glad, I'm really glad you brought that up.

1290
01:02:08,412 --> 01:02:11,222
>> Sarah : So she's pushing all of her stock on, on

1291
01:02:11,222 --> 01:02:14,182
Chris and Peacemaker, and that's why she

1292
01:02:14,182 --> 01:02:17,142
felt like a stage mom taking her kid to an

1293
01:02:17,142 --> 01:02:19,982
audition. Like, we got

1294
01:02:19,982 --> 01:02:22,822
these cars. You're gonna do great. Okay. And

1295
01:02:22,822 --> 01:02:25,702
are we at the right place? Like, it truly felt

1296
01:02:25,702 --> 01:02:28,502
like a parent dropping their child off

1297
01:02:29,182 --> 01:02:32,092
at a weird place to, audition for some

1298
01:02:32,092 --> 01:02:33,412
kind of weird movie.

1299
01:02:33,972 --> 01:02:36,452
>> Will: Yeah, it was, it did feel like

1300
01:02:36,852 --> 01:02:39,332
that. I totally got stage parent vibes. I was like,

1301
01:02:39,732 --> 01:02:42,452
I, I did. That was, that's a great call

1302
01:02:42,532 --> 01:02:45,282
there. That, with that. And then of course, the whole, the

1303
01:02:45,282 --> 01:02:48,282
whole moment there with, with the

1304
01:02:48,282 --> 01:02:49,882
interview with Matthew Lord.

1305
01:02:51,002 --> 01:02:53,212
>> Sarah : Yeah, that went on just a little too Lord.

1306
01:02:53,212 --> 01:02:55,652
>> Will: Max Lord. And, yeah,

1307
01:02:56,132 --> 01:02:59,012
you know, I, I, yeah, I, I, I will

1308
01:02:59,012 --> 01:03:02,012
say that, yeah, I agree. It, it, it worked for a

1309
01:03:02,012 --> 01:03:04,532
moment, but when they started going into the popcorn and,

1310
01:03:04,932 --> 01:03:07,932
and the butt and, and all that kind of stuff, I was like, okay,

1311
01:03:07,932 --> 01:03:10,932
James T. Tighten that up a little bit because you had a great scene

1312
01:03:10,932 --> 01:03:13,492
there. But it did go a bit long. I would.

1313
01:03:16,992 --> 01:03:19,792
>> Sarah : I'm just gonna go back one second because I will say,

1314
01:03:20,222 --> 01:03:23,222
th. This was a, I think this is a good episode, especially

1315
01:03:23,302 --> 01:03:26,252
for a first episode of the season. However, I

1316
01:03:26,252 --> 01:03:29,172
would have liked it more had there been more Vigilante. I'm

1317
01:03:29,172 --> 01:03:32,012
just saying Vigilante is my favorite character. I'm just saying

1318
01:03:32,012 --> 01:03:34,812
Vigilante more, please. But then again, then again,

1319
01:03:34,812 --> 01:03:37,572
when we get too much of him, I'll be like, okay, real it is.

1320
01:03:39,572 --> 01:03:42,322
But yeah, I, so I think with

1321
01:03:42,322 --> 01:03:45,042
that scene and where the conversation was going

1322
01:03:45,602 --> 01:03:48,602
and to go back to your point that you brought up a little bit

1323
01:03:48,602 --> 01:03:51,282
about all of the, the

1324
01:03:51,282 --> 01:03:53,042
orgy of it all. Okay.

1325
01:03:53,042 --> 01:03:53,602
>> Will: Yeah.

1326
01:03:53,842 --> 01:03:56,682
>> Sarah : First, this show is never

1327
01:03:56,682 --> 01:03:59,442
gonna be the Boys. So

1328
01:03:59,442 --> 01:04:01,122
don't, don't like

1329
01:04:02,482 --> 01:04:04,402
we. Because we watch the boys.

1330
01:04:05,202 --> 01:04:08,002
It's kind of like hero gasm. Yeah,

1331
01:04:08,162 --> 01:04:10,912
I, I don't, I don't need the

1332
01:04:10,912 --> 01:04:13,752
boys outside of the boys. And we are getting

1333
01:04:13,752 --> 01:04:16,642
ready for the, gen v

1334
01:04:16,802 --> 01:04:19,202
season 2 at the end of next month.

1335
01:04:19,652 --> 01:04:22,652
which surprisingly, we'll be covering while we wrap

1336
01:04:22,652 --> 01:04:25,332
up Peacemaker, which is funny, but

1337
01:04:25,892 --> 01:04:28,532
it's just, I,

1338
01:04:28,772 --> 01:04:31,492
I, I, I, and I will be honest,

1339
01:04:32,532 --> 01:04:35,422
like, I, I kind of hate that they

1340
01:04:35,422 --> 01:04:38,222
went that far because, and I hate it

1341
01:04:38,302 --> 01:04:41,262
because I was so over all

1342
01:04:41,262 --> 01:04:44,182
of that that I did not pick up on a

1343
01:04:44,182 --> 01:04:47,172
lot of the nuances. and it took me a

1344
01:04:47,172 --> 01:04:49,932
moment to actually get back into the episode

1345
01:04:50,412 --> 01:04:53,052
once he goes into the other,

1346
01:04:53,372 --> 01:04:55,372
the other dimension and

1347
01:04:56,172 --> 01:04:58,812
meets his brother and everything and his,

1348
01:04:59,092 --> 01:05:02,092
and his father. Like, it took me a moment because I

1349
01:05:02,092 --> 01:05:04,692
was still, I was like, kind of like

1350
01:05:04,852 --> 01:05:07,852
I felt like I left the episode. I'm like, okay, you have

1351
01:05:07,852 --> 01:05:09,652
your orgy, whatever, I'm gonna be here.

1352
01:05:11,652 --> 01:05:14,372
I don't really care about any of the stuff.

1353
01:05:14,372 --> 01:05:17,332
It's, I do similar things when action

1354
01:05:17,572 --> 01:05:20,492
sequences go on for too long. Like I will just.

1355
01:05:20,492 --> 01:05:20,972
>> Will: You do.

1356
01:05:20,972 --> 01:05:23,972
>> Sarah : I will just check out and then I have to check back in

1357
01:05:24,052 --> 01:05:26,782
and then suddenly the stake of the third

1358
01:05:26,782 --> 01:05:29,702
act is lost on me. Or I like, could

1359
01:05:29,702 --> 01:05:32,582
care less because like, you took

1360
01:05:32,582 --> 01:05:33,302
me out there.

1361
01:05:33,762 --> 01:05:36,572
>> Will: yeah, that is something that is, that, that is

1362
01:05:36,572 --> 01:05:39,572
very true. So I, so when you said that, I didn't even think it

1363
01:05:39,572 --> 01:05:42,452
was because of all this, you know, all the nidity and

1364
01:05:42,452 --> 01:05:45,332
everything else and just all just. Yeah,

1365
01:05:45,332 --> 01:05:47,612
I, Yeah, because you, you share the same sentiment.

1366
01:05:48,972 --> 01:05:51,382
And about that, I think for me it,

1367
01:05:51,382 --> 01:05:54,182
Okay, I, I, I had

1368
01:05:54,182 --> 01:05:56,782
several, you know, you know, thought the

1369
01:05:56,782 --> 01:05:59,572
boys, I also thought, Doom Patrol, I think they had a

1370
01:05:59,572 --> 01:06:02,572
similar type of out, you know,

1371
01:06:02,572 --> 01:06:05,572
outlandish scene. But, but where,

1372
01:06:05,652 --> 01:06:08,572
where it did pull me back where I did start to realize

1373
01:06:08,572 --> 01:06:11,572
that like, oh, he's just really trying. He's, he's just,

1374
01:06:11,732 --> 01:06:14,652
he, he's trying. None of this stuff is soothing

1375
01:06:14,652 --> 01:06:17,412
for him. I mean, one of the, one of the good things that did come out of that

1376
01:06:17,412 --> 01:06:20,232
overlong scene when he was auditioning with the,

1377
01:06:20,232 --> 01:06:23,112
with the justice gang was the fact, you know, they did

1378
01:06:23,112 --> 01:06:24,672
bring up the fact that he's a free spirit.

1379
01:06:24,972 --> 01:06:26,812
>> Sarah : Oh, I thought you were gonna say he's a great.

1380
01:06:28,172 --> 01:06:29,052
>> Will: Well that too.

1381
01:06:30,322 --> 01:06:32,842
>> Sarah : because they did. Will, when you were re

1382
01:06:32,842 --> 01:06:35,802
watching season one. I don't remember a scene

1383
01:06:35,802 --> 01:06:38,802
like that occurring or any kind of idea.

1384
01:06:38,882 --> 01:06:41,282
Was there any innuendos that he

1385
01:06:41,602 --> 01:06:42,962
partaked because.

1386
01:06:45,312 --> 01:06:48,192
>> Will: Okay, yeah, yeah, so I knew he was bisexual.

1387
01:06:48,192 --> 01:06:50,362
I didn't know that. They did, they do reference, I'm.

1388
01:06:50,362 --> 01:06:53,002
>> Sarah : Not talking about the bisexuality of it all, but

1389
01:06:53,402 --> 01:06:56,162
I, I, I think a few people have pointed out

1390
01:06:56,162 --> 01:06:58,602
he's fully closed. Closed

1391
01:06:58,921 --> 01:07:01,882
during that entire sequence. And that's a red

1392
01:07:01,882 --> 01:07:04,042
flag. Why? Because

1393
01:07:05,802 --> 01:07:08,122
if you're gonna do it, then do it.

1394
01:07:08,931 --> 01:07:11,731
Like to me there was just, it's,

1395
01:07:11,731 --> 01:07:14,312
it's not even the new, nudity.

1396
01:07:14,493 --> 01:07:17,213
and and all of that, it's more just like.

1397
01:07:17,613 --> 01:07:19,773
Because again, we watched the boys.

1398
01:07:20,333 --> 01:07:22,973
We. Doom Patrol had an episode too,

1399
01:07:23,133 --> 01:07:25,173
but the characters, their

1400
01:07:25,173 --> 01:07:27,533
responses to those events

1401
01:07:27,853 --> 01:07:30,373
made sense. And so it felt like,

1402
01:07:30,373 --> 01:07:32,973
okay, I can see these characters in this

1403
01:07:32,973 --> 01:07:34,933
situation. For some reason

1404
01:07:35,893 --> 01:07:38,813
I was just like, so this is just

1405
01:07:38,813 --> 01:07:41,733
the scene where you're trying to be the boys, but you're not the boys?

1406
01:07:41,813 --> 01:07:44,723
Because. Yeah, like, I don't. I, I thought it

1407
01:07:44,723 --> 01:07:47,323
was more like him getting high.

1408
01:07:47,483 --> 01:07:49,563
Okay. But to have a full on

1409
01:07:49,723 --> 01:07:52,593
orgy, like, I don't, I don't know,

1410
01:07:52,593 --> 01:07:55,393
it just, it didn't even feel like an orgy

1411
01:07:55,393 --> 01:07:58,113
though. It felt like just people were having

1412
01:07:58,113 --> 01:07:59,593
sex all over his house.

1413
01:08:00,474 --> 01:08:03,114
>> Will: Yeah, it felt like people were having sex sometimes, but I think for me,

1414
01:08:03,114 --> 01:08:05,994
whenever. So what, what pulled me back in,

1415
01:08:05,994 --> 01:08:08,834
honestly was actually when he went to the, the

1416
01:08:08,834 --> 01:08:11,594
cupboard to pull out the coke and

1417
01:08:11,594 --> 01:08:14,584
for a rainy day. And that's when I was just like, ah, I

1418
01:08:14,584 --> 01:08:17,344
get it. He, you know. Yeah, he's just,

1419
01:08:17,744 --> 01:08:20,464
he is because of what we talked about earlier

1420
01:08:20,864 --> 01:08:23,664
and you know, he, you know, he's.

1421
01:08:23,664 --> 01:08:26,504
And after he's dejected from the interview and

1422
01:08:26,504 --> 01:08:29,394
everything else, he, he was just, he's just looking

1423
01:08:29,394 --> 01:08:32,314
for that escape and looking for something

1424
01:08:32,394 --> 01:08:35,314
to like, just fill that, that, that void that he

1425
01:08:35,314 --> 01:08:38,154
was filling. And so that's where I was just like. And you know,

1426
01:08:38,154 --> 01:08:40,914
none of this is satisfying. So that's where. That's

1427
01:08:40,914 --> 01:08:43,794
where doing the lines of cocaine is.

1428
01:08:43,794 --> 01:08:46,554
Where it was just like, okay, I get it now. That. So,

1429
01:08:46,554 --> 01:08:48,394
so it, so

1430
01:08:50,874 --> 01:08:53,874
yeah, the visual aspect of it. Yeah, a moment. But then

1431
01:08:53,874 --> 01:08:56,764
after that, then I got back in it and got back

1432
01:08:56,764 --> 01:08:59,484
in the story and of course when he went to the, into the closet, and

1433
01:08:59,724 --> 01:09:02,694
went to the other dimension and, and everything, yeah, that

1434
01:09:02,694 --> 01:09:05,694
was just, you know, again, Cena's acting chops and how much

1435
01:09:05,694 --> 01:09:08,574
better actor he's gotten even since season one really did

1436
01:09:08,574 --> 01:09:11,534
come across there with, with Keith and all the

1437
01:09:11,534 --> 01:09:14,174
story as far as, you know, when, when they had the

1438
01:09:14,174 --> 01:09:16,964
previously on, and how they like

1439
01:09:16,964 --> 01:09:19,774
book into that with, you know, going into another

1440
01:09:19,774 --> 01:09:22,254
universe which apparently, apparently in the, in the quantum,

1441
01:09:22,814 --> 01:09:25,694
realm there it's like 99 doors. So they have any

1442
01:09:25,934 --> 01:09:28,894
number of stories they could tell with that. And that's another thing too.

1443
01:09:28,894 --> 01:09:31,614
I think GUN does a good job. You know, it

1444
01:09:31,614 --> 01:09:34,533
reminded me a lot of everywhere, every everywhere all at

1445
01:09:34,533 --> 01:09:37,204
once. where they did a good job of

1446
01:09:37,364 --> 01:09:40,324
how. Of m. Utilizing the multiverse in a

1447
01:09:40,324 --> 01:09:42,964
story. Not to be the gimmick, but to just

1448
01:09:42,964 --> 01:09:45,484
Basically a gateway to, like, tell

1449
01:09:45,804 --> 01:09:48,684
the deeper story. The story here as far as, like,

1450
01:09:48,844 --> 01:09:50,204
the life that I could have had.

1451
01:09:50,804 --> 01:09:51,444
>> Sarah : Oh, yeah.

1452
01:09:52,244 --> 01:09:54,964
>> Will: And it's. And. And a father that actually loves him and

1453
01:09:55,044 --> 01:09:57,844
doesn't, you know, berate him every moment.

1454
01:09:58,564 --> 01:10:01,524
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. The. It. It is

1455
01:10:01,524 --> 01:10:03,804
a good. Using, that,

1456
01:10:04,044 --> 01:10:06,764
mechanism in a way to continue

1457
01:10:06,924 --> 01:10:09,084
telling a story that you've already started.

1458
01:10:10,984 --> 01:10:12,564
for sure. so,

1459
01:10:13,734 --> 01:10:16,414
So naturally he kills the other version of

1460
01:10:16,414 --> 01:10:17,414
himself at the end,

1461
01:10:20,694 --> 01:10:23,094
which is how we conclude the episode where

1462
01:10:23,414 --> 01:10:26,244
we. We realize the, the

1463
01:10:26,244 --> 01:10:29,244
Peacemaker of this alternate

1464
01:10:29,244 --> 01:10:32,024
reality, other dimension, however you want to call

1465
01:10:32,024 --> 01:10:34,064
it. And he confronts,

1466
01:10:34,684 --> 01:10:37,644
Peacemaker Number One, and they get in a battle

1467
01:10:37,644 --> 01:10:40,484
and Peacemaker, number

1468
01:10:40,484 --> 01:10:43,084
One uses the jet pack against him, which

1469
01:10:43,324 --> 01:10:46,124
I did. I did listen to the

1470
01:10:46,284 --> 01:10:48,764
Peacemaker after show

1471
01:10:48,924 --> 01:10:51,894
with. With James Gun, where they brought up that the, the

1472
01:10:51,894 --> 01:10:54,774
jet pack was actually something that our

1473
01:10:54,774 --> 01:10:57,414
Peacemaker requested in the very first

1474
01:10:57,414 --> 01:11:00,334
episode of season one. Very cool tie in,

1475
01:11:00,334 --> 01:11:02,614
I will have to say. Other than that.

1476
01:11:03,174 --> 01:11:06,014
Not a fan of the after show. Not a

1477
01:11:06,014 --> 01:11:06,214
fan.

1478
01:11:06,214 --> 01:11:08,774
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Episodes.

1479
01:11:08,854 --> 01:11:11,694
And. Yeah, I. Some. Some are better than

1480
01:11:11,694 --> 01:11:11,974
others.

1481
01:11:12,614 --> 01:11:15,294
>> Sarah : Yeah, I just. I. I don't know if I'm

1482
01:11:15,294 --> 01:11:17,574
gonna dab my toe back into that because

1483
01:11:18,054 --> 01:11:20,854
they. It felt too much like, oh, you did

1484
01:11:20,854 --> 01:11:23,734
this good. You did that kid. And I'm like, talk about

1485
01:11:23,734 --> 01:11:26,494
the actual, like, story. Story applied for people.

1486
01:11:26,494 --> 01:11:28,414
Yeah, kudos.

1487
01:11:28,974 --> 01:11:31,814
>> Will: Yeah. I think this is where, you know, James's ego

1488
01:11:31,814 --> 01:11:34,734
sometimes gets the better of him. It would be

1489
01:11:34,734 --> 01:11:37,534
better served if he had an actual. Another host

1490
01:11:37,854 --> 01:11:39,374
to, like, bounce off of.

1491
01:11:39,774 --> 01:11:42,494
>> Sarah : Yeah, I. I felt like it was

1492
01:11:42,494 --> 01:11:45,374
more. His employees were centered around

1493
01:11:45,374 --> 01:11:48,374
him. That's. That's not a good thing. I. I think he actually did

1494
01:11:48,374 --> 01:11:51,204
want to talk about the show, and they kept bringing up.

1495
01:11:51,204 --> 01:11:53,844
And I'm like, dudes, cut it off. Anyway.

1496
01:11:54,384 --> 01:11:57,074
yeah, but, yeah, but yeah, it sets us up for

1497
01:11:57,074 --> 01:11:59,874
what looks, to be a solid

1498
01:11:59,874 --> 01:12:02,004
Season two. and.

1499
01:12:02,244 --> 01:12:04,684
>> Will: And we can't have. We can't have any

1500
01:12:04,684 --> 01:12:07,684
analysis without, of course, mentioning the Retcon. just for

1501
01:12:07,684 --> 01:12:10,524
those folks who need it. I just wanted to point it out. So they

1502
01:12:10,524 --> 01:12:13,324
did it. And. And hopefully we never hear

1503
01:12:13,324 --> 01:12:15,004
anything more about. Is it canon?

1504
01:12:16,354 --> 01:12:18,914
>> Sarah : Oh, oh, we're gonna hear about it again and again.

1505
01:12:18,914 --> 01:12:19,474
>> Will: Oh, yeah.

1506
01:12:19,634 --> 01:12:21,714
>> Sarah : Oh, yeah. It's a talking point.

1507
01:12:24,674 --> 01:12:27,604
Did, Do you remember if they. If they. Did

1508
01:12:27,604 --> 01:12:30,524
they actually change the. The

1509
01:12:30,524 --> 01:12:33,284
finale of the first season or did

1510
01:12:33,284 --> 01:12:33,564
they.

1511
01:12:33,564 --> 01:12:36,524
>> Will: No, they kept it. They. They left it. They left

1512
01:12:36,524 --> 01:12:37,004
it in.

1513
01:12:37,084 --> 01:12:37,564
>> Sarah : Yeah.

1514
01:12:38,044 --> 01:12:40,604
>> Will: Yeah. One thing they did change though, and I did learn that,

1515
01:12:40,844 --> 01:12:43,534
that I did learn from the, the, the, the

1516
01:12:43,774 --> 01:12:46,614
after show was the whole thing about Guy

1517
01:12:46,614 --> 01:12:49,464
Gardner and the puke machine and stuff. apparently I

1518
01:12:49,464 --> 01:12:52,384
guess that that scene was filmed for the first

1519
01:12:52,384 --> 01:12:52,744
season.

1520
01:12:53,064 --> 01:12:53,384
>> Sarah : Right.

1521
01:12:53,384 --> 01:12:56,244
>> Will: But it couldn't use it. so that I

1522
01:12:56,244 --> 01:12:59,244
was so whenever, whenever I I watched episode

1523
01:12:59,324 --> 01:13:02,204
Thursday night because I still want to get spoiled about the dance number.

1524
01:13:02,644 --> 01:13:05,354
but I watched it again last night and

1525
01:13:05,924 --> 01:13:08,644
with the knowledge of, about that and I did see how,

1526
01:13:08,644 --> 01:13:10,644
how they cut Wolf

1527
01:13:11,364 --> 01:13:14,244
that cut scene from season one as far as Guy

1528
01:13:14,244 --> 01:13:17,114
and the puke machine, into, into this

1529
01:13:17,114 --> 01:13:19,284
episode when they were whenever

1530
01:13:20,564 --> 01:13:23,514
Gardner was like talking about how he thought it was like he has some puke fetish.

1531
01:13:23,514 --> 01:13:26,424
But but other than that, everything, everything else

1532
01:13:26,424 --> 01:13:29,424
from season one was pretty much how, how it

1533
01:13:29,424 --> 01:13:32,394
was from, from when I watched it before, the first

1534
01:13:32,394 --> 01:13:35,234
time around. And then of course you know, there's obviously

1535
01:13:35,234 --> 01:13:37,954
the tie ins with Rick Flag and everything now with

1536
01:13:37,954 --> 01:13:40,914
Superman and, and all that. And I, I did

1537
01:13:40,914 --> 01:13:43,914
watch a, I, I haven't finished Creature Commando, so I,

1538
01:13:44,154 --> 01:13:47,153
I don't know how things sort of ended there, but

1539
01:13:47,153 --> 01:13:49,964
I, but I do, I will say, Frank Grillo,

1540
01:13:49,954 --> 01:13:52,784
as Rick Flag. Yeah. I'm very

1541
01:13:52,784 --> 01:13:55,744
curious to see where things go with, with this story. And

1542
01:13:55,744 --> 01:13:58,624
then I know to Meadows and and and then Sol

1543
01:13:58,624 --> 01:14:01,454
Rodriguez is the

1544
01:14:01,724 --> 01:14:04,644
Rick Flag's assistant. So. Yeah. So. Well,

1545
01:14:04,644 --> 01:14:07,634
you know, with whole, the whole argus of it all, there's

1546
01:14:07,634 --> 01:14:10,514
a lot of things I'm sure it'll like have some tie ins Superman and

1547
01:14:10,514 --> 01:14:13,114
other parts of the justice, you know, the now the

1548
01:14:13,114 --> 01:14:16,034
DCU moving forward. Which you know, I will say,

1549
01:14:16,194 --> 01:14:18,994
you know, I, I, I, I do like the fact

1550
01:14:18,994 --> 01:14:21,974
that tonally we

1551
01:14:21,974 --> 01:14:24,814
don't, it's not cookie cutter, with, with what

1552
01:14:24,814 --> 01:14:27,814
that, what I've seen from the three projects so far in, in

1553
01:14:27,814 --> 01:14:29,334
dcu, which is nice.

1554
01:14:31,894 --> 01:14:34,294
>> Sarah : Yeah. I, but I think it's consistent.

1555
01:14:38,774 --> 01:14:39,654
>> Will: I lost you there.

1556
01:14:40,214 --> 01:14:42,934
>> Sarah : Oh. Oh. I, I said I think, I think it's

1557
01:14:42,934 --> 01:14:43,614
consistent.

1558
01:14:44,424 --> 01:14:45,064
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

1559
01:14:45,864 --> 01:14:48,184
>> Sarah : Like, like I, I think

1560
01:14:48,664 --> 01:14:51,224
the, the two projects I've seen

1561
01:14:51,704 --> 01:14:54,254
because I didn't watch Creature Commandos, are

1562
01:14:54,254 --> 01:14:55,294
consistent in tone.

1563
01:14:56,014 --> 01:14:56,494
>> Will: Yeah.

1564
01:14:56,494 --> 01:14:59,054
>> Sarah : And, and I think to an extent

1565
01:15:01,054 --> 01:15:04,014
like some of the later projects in

1566
01:15:04,014 --> 01:15:06,814
dcu, like, like the, it,

1567
01:15:07,374 --> 01:15:09,694
it's a weird thing because

1568
01:15:10,274 --> 01:15:13,034
this, it, I'm not

1569
01:15:13,034 --> 01:15:15,954
saying it's the same. I'm not, I'm not trying

1570
01:15:15,954 --> 01:15:18,754
to make this sound like a bad thing or a

1571
01:15:18,754 --> 01:15:21,674
detriment, but I am saying what

1572
01:15:21,674 --> 01:15:24,514
I'm trying to Say is it.

1573
01:15:24,514 --> 01:15:26,594
It feels like dc.

1574
01:15:30,764 --> 01:15:33,564
>> Sarah : It doesn't feel like a brand new, like, oh,

1575
01:15:33,564 --> 01:15:36,444
that was the dcu, and this is this. And

1576
01:15:36,874 --> 01:15:39,474
you can, you can tell there, like, there's a big

1577
01:15:39,474 --> 01:15:42,234
chain. No, because the later

1578
01:15:42,474 --> 01:15:45,434
projects in the DCU were like,

1579
01:15:46,074 --> 01:15:48,474
similarly colored, similarly

1580
01:15:48,474 --> 01:15:49,914
toned. It.

1581
01:15:49,994 --> 01:15:50,434
>> Will: Yeah.

1582
01:15:50,434 --> 01:15:53,314
>> Sarah : So, like, Like, I'm not, I'm not talking Justice

1583
01:15:53,314 --> 01:15:56,234
League or anything, but though those last

1584
01:15:56,714 --> 01:15:59,434
handful of projects that came out in the

1585
01:15:59,754 --> 01:16:00,554
2020,

1586
01:16:02,784 --> 01:16:05,424
>> Will: Aquaman. Yeah, they all had that same. Yeah, yeah, I know.

1587
01:16:05,424 --> 01:16:08,344
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. It's,

1588
01:16:08,344 --> 01:16:11,024
it's so, so it's, it's not

1589
01:16:11,024 --> 01:16:13,784
cookie cutter, but it's also, it's. I

1590
01:16:13,784 --> 01:16:16,384
wouldn't say it's like, oh, you have like,

1591
01:16:16,544 --> 01:16:19,424
all of these different genres or these, the

1592
01:16:19,424 --> 01:16:21,864
different world. I mean, the one outlier is the

1593
01:16:21,864 --> 01:16:24,704
Batman. But that, that, that

1594
01:16:24,704 --> 01:16:27,504
has been. That's between, between

1595
01:16:27,504 --> 01:16:29,264
the retcon and that whole

1596
01:16:30,034 --> 01:16:32,154
situationship. And I'm just gonna call it a

1597
01:16:32,154 --> 01:16:34,084
situationship. yeah,

1598
01:16:34,804 --> 01:16:37,764
D.C. still, still manages to make

1599
01:16:37,764 --> 01:16:40,724
the headlines. Even when they don't got much going on. They

1600
01:16:40,724 --> 01:16:43,204
still will get their headlines in there with the,

1601
01:16:43,604 --> 01:16:46,454
the, the constant. Because I, I

1602
01:16:46,454 --> 01:16:49,384
think. I think the DCU could run, the DC

1603
01:16:49,544 --> 01:16:52,424
could run circles around Marvel if they ever release

1604
01:16:52,984 --> 01:16:55,714
the, the actual shenanigans

1605
01:16:55,874 --> 01:16:57,554
behind their business model.

1606
01:17:00,674 --> 01:17:03,514
I think a lot of the DC projects over the last

1607
01:17:03,514 --> 01:17:06,434
20 years are much more fascinating when we

1608
01:17:06,434 --> 01:17:09,154
learn the truth about what actually happened. And I'm

1609
01:17:09,714 --> 01:17:12,394
at you, Shazam, and. Or at, ah, you Black

1610
01:17:12,394 --> 01:17:15,314
Adam. Should I say, meant to say Black Adam.

1611
01:17:15,814 --> 01:17:18,814
yeah, so, so I just. Man,

1612
01:17:18,814 --> 01:17:21,174
those documentaries are gonna make billions.

1613
01:17:21,814 --> 01:17:24,734
>> Will: Yeah, all the tea, all the TE's out on the street about those

1614
01:17:24,734 --> 01:17:25,614
projects, for sure.

1615
01:17:25,614 --> 01:17:28,534
>> Sarah : Yeah. All right, well,

1616
01:17:28,614 --> 01:17:31,424
on, that note, will, why don't you tell our listeners where they can

1617
01:17:31,424 --> 01:17:31,944
find you?

1618
01:17:35,464 --> 01:17:36,024
Hello.

1619
01:17:37,384 --> 01:17:39,464
>> Will: I L, L M M P O L K.

1620
01:17:40,824 --> 01:17:41,344
Okay.

1621
01:17:41,344 --> 01:17:43,984
>> Sarah : And you can find me there, too, at SJ Belmont

1622
01:17:43,984 --> 01:17:46,834
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1624
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1625
01:17:52,434 --> 01:17:55,354
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1626
01:17:55,354 --> 01:17:56,114
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1627
01:17:56,114 --> 01:17:59,074
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1628
01:17:59,074 --> 01:18:01,834
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1629
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1630
01:18:04,674 --> 01:18:05,394
You're welcome.

1631
01:18:13,524 --> 01:18:28,804
>> Will: Sam.