Double Trouble: Inside The Penguin's Plot & Agatha's Surprises!

0:10 >> Sarah : Greetings, nerds. This is this is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont. And with me, as always, is our mystery producer, will polk. How are you doing tonight, will? >> Will: Hanging in there, Sarah. How are you doing this evening? >> Sarah : I'm doing good, but I'm not calling. I'm not doing this from North Carolina. >> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. we, we are, unfortunately, the western part of our state. Did you, probably seen in the news, where the western, North Carolina got, hit along with several other states like Florida and Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee and southwest Virginia, eastern, Tennessee. we all got impacted by, hurricane Helene. >> Will: it was. But, we. North Carolina, we. I think we definitely got the, the worst of it.

0:53 >> Will: you know, a lot of our communities in the western part of state are still. Are still cut off. And, you know, this is just. I mean, it's. It's thought hyperbole, to say. It's like biblical proportions as far as of some of the devastation and loss of life that we, that we've had here. So, I wanted to use this opportunity to, you know, you know, many of our listeners may be in some of the impacted areas, if you. If you are able to get an Internet right now because, I mean, even that slight cut off. But, if we can, you know, hopefully you can enjoy us, talking about some, just things to get your minds off of what's happened. but also for, folks who are looking to help, because, this is you know, we're still in the early stages. I mean, we're still in the response mode, quite frankly. I mean, they're still plucking, you know, risk on people from areas that have been cut off and getting resources and food and water and, you know, commodities to areas that's been, hit.

1:50 But, you know, if you. If you do well, I'll be sure to put these links in our, in our show notes. But, for North Carolina, at least, you, can go to my agency where I work, where I do work in emergency management. And we're, you know, we definitely can use all the help and resources. And if you want to find ways to volunteer or donate money, and find out a little bit information about, you know, friends or loved ones who may have been impacted by, by this event, you can go to NCDPs, dot gov, backslash Helene. That's our, that's our page where we have all our central repository for all things response to this storm. also, the American Red Cross is, one of many organizations that, you can donate to, not only for us here in North Carolina, but also the other impacted states. And, the big thing that I could just share, if you do want to donate, or want to help out, please don't self deploy into the area. and please don't just donate stuff randomly. that this creates disaster within a disaster, because a lot of times, if there's no one there to receive it, then it doesn't get to the people that can help.

3:03 And also it just causes, you know, slows down the response from. From us as far as the state, but also all the non government organizations and other people who are on the ground helping to get things back, people back on their feet out there. So, but thank you all for, you know, for folks who are sending your thoughts and prayers to our state. And, we greatly appreciate it. And I know it's, you know, I know we have fun on this. On this podcast, but just, wanted to. To share that this is sort of to kick off the episode this week. because I know a lot of people are probably wondering what they can do to help and wanted to point you in the directions for ways you can help us out in this state and other states that was impacted by Helene.

3:44 >> Sarah : Yeah, thank you. I think that's a good use of time. but I will bring us back to what the listeners are here for. >> Will: Yeah. I want to have some fun, too. Cause it's been. It's been a rough ten days. >> Sarah : Yeah. Cause while you're. You're dealing all that and are in the trenches, I've been just cleaning up shows. Okay. >> Will: Yeah. >> Sarah : So recently, I brought up the show monsters. Yeah. >> Will: Yeah. >> Sarah : And I did. I did end up watching it. episode five was not what I expected it to be, but I heard something, and I know why. That's the episode that I will say if you're curious about this show, but you're also, like, on the fence because of Ryan Murphy isms.

4:40 I would watch that episode, like, at the end of the day, I think. I think. I'm not going to explain why in detail. Not that it's anything shocking, but, it is very simplistically brilliant, what that episode does. And so my overall review of the show is that it starts off very weird. Like I was saying the week prior, I was kind of on the fence because of everything. And then it kind of in the middle. I got really sucked into it, and then by the end of it, it kind of went full circle and kind of ended the same way it started, where I'm just like, oh. Because there's a lot of perspectives, that are shown. And I think from my perspective, as someone who really had no idea about this case before, now I can see why Ryan Murphy presented it the way he did with all of the perspectives. it's not because the case itself is not the typical case.

5:59 I mean, we're not. We're not saying they didn't kill their parents. That's not what this is about. They did. But the whole answer to the why and that. And I know I haven't done too much any research to see, like, well, what did he leave out? Or is being currently accused by the Mendez family of having left off. Left out. But at the end of the day, the guy is trying to make a show like, he's not necessarily gonna go beat for beat, and he's. He's gonna try to capture it in an artistic way and bring out nuances and not get clogged down to. And then they had this witness, and this witness said exactly this, and this happened. It's like, no, there. There's a. It's. It is fiction to some degree.

6:57 So I. Yeah, so overall, I think it's good. I still. It's nothing quite OJ, but I also, I think the middle is really strong. I did. Funny story, though. I did pull a me, because there's an episode towards the end that is fully focused on the parents and, like, how they met and everything. And I skipped it. I skipped it because I wanted to, ah, like, there was momentum with the present day storyline, and I wanted to get back to that. So after I finished it, I went back to that episode and put that.

7:38 >> Will: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's funny you mentioned episode five. So, I. You know, just as I'm trying to, like, just get back into the news cycle of other things in the world, I did just happen to see some of the stuff about episode five and some of the, I guess, Ryan Murphy's comments. And, I think Kim Kardashian came out tonight, you know, really asking the La Da's office to, really examine, re examine some of the evidence, particularly, I guess, the issues about, I remember, I think, one of the whys they said that, the brothers did this was because they were sexually abused by their father. and so, you know, I haven't watched the show, obviously, but, but, you know, I have Scene some of the recent, comments and media that drop has dropped this. This evening as it relates to. To. To that fifth episode that you just shared, some details about. So, yeah, so, yeah, I mean, I think I m just saw the variety headline. Ryan Murphy predicts Menendez brothers be out of jail by Christmas.

8:40 >> Sarah : So, you know, it could happen. A lot of people have been very swayed by it. and. And I can understand why, to a degree. but there's another side of me is like, well, he. He had to make them a hero to it. Like he's telling a story. I don't know. I don't know. but we'll see what happens. >> Will: Yeah. >> Sarah : I also. I watched binge the. And I didn't know this. Okay. It's the new Adam Brody and Criston, bell show on Netflix. nobody wants this.

9:20 >> Will: Okay. >> Sarah : Very advertised, very standard. Like, typical Netflix movie. Yes, emphasis on movie. That's what I thought this was. No, no, no. It's a show. It's a legit show. that is actually, I believe, somebody correct me if I'm wrong, written and produced by the wife of Jason Biggs. >> Will: Really. >> Sarah : And it's to some extent based on their relationship. I thought I was just gonna be like, oh, this is all right. Something like. Like an Emily in Paris. I really like this show.

10:02 I like this show. Not just because, like, Criston and, Adam Brody, they both have chemistry together, but it's more of the chemistry with, Adam Brody's character's brother and Criston Bell's sister and the families and the supporting cast. It really becomes a fuller world than just these two people who, are meeting at a later stage in life and trying to figure things out. and they also did a really good job of making it clear how much these two connect, but at the same time, the stakes for if they can actually, like, fully commit.

11:00 and so this. We're talking about an adult, real relationship, which is a rarity on screen. >> Will: Yeah. >> Sarah : So, I was really impressed by it. By it. Like, don't get me wrong, still a lot of fluff, a lot of, like you could predict, but I was caught off guard by the end of it, I was like, I actually enjoyed my time, with it. And I really. The supporting cast and, they did a good job for it being a season one, leaving you with some resolution while simultaneously being like, well, we better get a season two because you got too many open doors here. Okay, I need to know not just what's happening with this relationship, but there's this other thing going on with the sister and the brother. The brother who's also married. And you would think, well, okay, then his wife's the villain. No, you actually end up.

12:02 You kind of like her, too. And it's just they did a good job of, building a world, that you want to go back to and spend more time in. So. Yeah, so I got through that very easy binge. I don't even think it's ten episodes. and I'm pretty sure, like, half hour episodes, too. >> Will: Okay. Oh, that's even easier to get through. Yeah, for sure. >> Sarah : Exactly. I was just getting them over with, and then I recently started because, sometimes and listeners know this about me, the for you stuff just, like, comes at me, and I'm like, fine, I give in. I'll actually check this thing out because I feel like I hear about it every five minutes with some sort of ad. But right now on Hulu, season two of this show has been airing, and I just feel like it's being crammed down my throat. So I finally started, Tell me lies, which is, How do I put this? The r rated version of, I don't know, a gossip girl, a one tree hill. but definitely r rated.

13:14 I was surprised by how r. Like, don't get me wrong, it's not. It's not extremely. But I'm just like, man, we. It's like every other scene is somebody trying to fuck. And you see others, like, ten minute long kissing scenes. Like, come on. So I started it. We'll see if I can get through the first season, and stick it out to get through the second season. But, yeah, so. And on top of that, I've just been keeping up with, the two shows that we're about to talk about tonight. So. Yeah, yeah. We're going to start with Agatha long. We're just doing episode three, the. That is called.

14:01 Through many miles of tricks and trials, the coven faces their first perilous trial on the witches road. Okay. So, will. >> Will: Yeah. >> Sarah : This episode, in a way, kind of pissed me off because I was watching it and I was like, I really, like, misses Hartley. And then by the end of it, they kill her. Now, I know, I know. There's a part of me that's like, she's not dead. >> Will: you can't kill Deborah Joe repo. I mean, she's, like, probably the best character on the show. Other than that. >> Sarah : Like, seriously. I mean, they get onto the road. And she's like, I'm pretty sure this is what we call kidnapping.

14:47 And it's just you. You need her. And I also just find it weird watching a Disney plus show and they kill someone who's not gonna eventually come back to life. You know, it's just rarity for that to happen. so. But overall, I think the first two episodes were a bit stronger. But there's still consistency and. Oh yeah. Okay, now let's. Let's put misses Hart aside. like, like we have her on a pedestal. But I mean, they did do something and start a thread that I was A, not expecting and B, was very impressed by. And it's the whole Agatha having a child.

15:38 Having what they say give up that child in exchange for the book of the dam. And why I was so impressed by this is because WandaVision was all about Wanda using her powers to create the nuclear family. To have children to live in this world. And they started the seed that Agatha did the opposite. And I don't believe there was any notion of that in WandaVision. But I think it's a really smart thing to do considering this is a spinoff. And although Wanda isn't necessarily in the show, her presence is really strong. And she still is to an extent a foil for Agatha and vice versa.

16:32 >> Will: Oh, yeah, yeah. As you. As you were talking about that, I completely agree. And thought about that too, that you said it perfectly. I mean they're are, they are, you know, she is a foil of act of Wanda. And That was when I was watching episode. I had a similar. Similar reaction to that about the Her trading her child for. For the book. And. But into your point about consistency, it is that it's a. It's consistent with what we know about Agatha and this and. And why all the other, While the other three, witches, have shared their concern, all their concerns about her and her selfishness and other things. And even as we saw in this episode, while everybody else's, the real Housewives of Eastwick were Westview were like, Doing their thing, Agatha was again pouring. Pouring the wine out and you know, not drinking it. So, all those things together just really.

17:43 I thought, I agree with you. I think the first two episodes were stronger. But this. But I have to say, this was a good episode. I have not been let down by this series so far. And it's actually nice to have a series that, you know, is a really. A self contained story about what's going on in with, with Agatha and these witches as they are on this, on the, on the road, instead of having it, you have to spill off into the larger MCU. >> Sarah : Right, right. I mean, granted, they did do a Mephisto reference. >> Will: Yeah. As soon as I saw. I laughed out loud when I saw that. They're like, yep. You know, but I think this is the first time in canon MCU that they actually have used the name. I know they've danced around it because, you know, and then they were like, okay, we're going to throw you guys a bone after all these years, and.

18:34 >> Sarah : Now everyone and their mother is still casting, or have just started casting. Mephisto. Yeah. >> Will: Sasha Perry Cohen. Yeah. >> Sarah : The name. So we better get there. Just a spoiler alert. By the time we get there, y'all, Mephisto is just gonna let us all down. There's something about it where if it goes, if the seed is left unbloomed for too long, it's like it just disappoints by the time we actually get there, so. Or maybe. Or maybe they're doing the slow game, I don't know. But, a, part of this is also, well, she gave up her kid and to Mephisto, if I heard correctly. And. And so potentially he could still have the kid. The kid could be the kid on the show. Even though it's highly unlikely. it's more likely that it's Wanda's kid.

19:39 but then again, which still works because of what we just were talking about with Wanda and Agatha being really good foils for one another. And, I keep thinking about that scene where she sees the crib, like she has hallucination and she removes it and then sees the book and something that you said. Everyone knows how much Agatha, craves power and needs it and it fulfills her. But I'm trying to think if maybe they're getting, like, by using this or, planning, starting this thread, it's like. But if she sacrificed her kid for the power, it's almost like she has to have it and more of it in order to make that sacrifice, like, worth it. But ultimately, on the other day, like, it's never going to balance.

20:53 Like, her scales will never balance. >> Will: Yeah, yeah, I completely agreed. Agreed. >> Sarah : Yeah, it's, it's. I will see how far they go. I mean, we've just started on this. but if they, they get any more nuances, with that whole storyline. but overall, I mean, besides misses Hart, or even with misses Hart, like the covenant itself, it is like watching a housewives show. >> Will: Yeah, that's the other thing, too. I mean, they are. That's another thing that they're just going to consistently, like, do I think the rest of this series, which is to play off of other things in pop culture and tv shows, various, like, inspirations.

21:48 because, you know, we had sort of like, the. This house was that they come across when they had this. This trial was like a very, you know, New England, you know, middle suburban, middle class, you know, place. And, you know, whenever they, like, you know, go into it and they go in, clothes change and, you know, so this whole vibe about it was really, really, enjoyable. But also, you know, with the other ladies and the witches in the coven, you know, we get more about their stories and their backgrounds, especially when they drink the wine and have the, you know, had the flashbacks as far as various things in their past, you know, with Jen and the, and the doctor and, Lila with the, She had the, you know, you know, I guess she. I guess whenever the teen was talking to her about her mother, I guess, you know, she had her issues with her mother or my. Is that Lila or is that the other.

22:49 >> Sarah : It's been a while since I've watched this episode, so I will admit I still have yet to really place names with faces. >> Will: Yeah, yeah. >> Sarah : But, but yeah, they are. They are making sure that it starts to become somewhat of an ensemble, with crew. Still don't know how long we'll be on the road. That's. That's currently my big question right now. How many episodes can they, pun intended, stretch this road? >> Will: Right? Yeah. Yeah. Because, I mean, there's. We're already episode three. We got five left. So, you know, so. And I think they. I think they did say, if I recall, there's three trials.

23:29 >> Sarah : I see. I don't even remember how many trials. I felt like there was a trial for each. Each one of the witches talent, but. So I don't. I don't know. But yeah, but I don't. I think there'll be at least one episode at the end where we're not on the road. >> Sarah : Hopefully more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> Will: No, I think. I think the road is, again, the path is the. Is. We'll probably get off the. We'll probably at the penultimate episode is where we'll finally get off the path because, you know, because they got to set up for the. Whatever the big finale is going to be. you know, because it. At the end of the day, is still a Marvel show. So we're going to have that.

24:18 >> Sarah : Big finale is going to be. It's going to be her, confronting the Salem five or Salem seven, whoever. And Audrey Plaza will be back, like. >> Will: Right, right. And to that, I'm glad you brought that. That up. So along. Along the way, you know, so this episode of the Salem five, the Salem seven or whatever, not involved at all. but there. But there are going. There is going to be a place where, you know, those witches are going to be able to come down on the path as well. So. So it's only a matter of time whether it's next week or, week or episode five. Well, I guess episode four, which just aired yesterday. I know we're a week behind, but, as a recording.

25:00 But, Yeah, so those. Those folks do have to get reintroduced into the story because they can't be put on the shelf until, you know, to the penultimate. >> Sarah : Right, right. You heard that, writers, you can't do that to will. Okay? >> Will: No, you cannot. No, you cannot. Yeah. >> Sarah : What was your initial thoughts about the episode? The inside man. >> Will: Yeah, so movement to the penguin. The inside man. So, you know, this was episode two of the series, and I really, you know, sometimes you'll have the soft, proverbial sophomore slump, but I did not feel that way with this episode. So I initially watched it on Sunday evening. you know, it was pretty tired, but I really enjoyed it. Then, I did watch it again this evening just to, help me fill in the gaps and things. I was like, no, what happened?

25:49 Again? But it definitely, like, I'm rocking with this series. I am thoroughly enjoying. We're the penguin. I mean, we're eating well in October right now as far as shows, which is. And, And the thing. The story that, they're dealing with Oz. you know, I talked about this last week as far as this impulse control, which is, to me, it's a double edged sword for me, it seems, because on the one hand, is impulse control gets him into situations where, like where he kills Alberto. But at the same time, that impulse control or, you know, is a strength for him as far as channeling that thinking on his feet whenever things go sideways, as we saw, in this episode, we're jumping, to. To the end. you know, Vic wasn't able to execute the plan that they had formulated, and then he had to think there on his feet, like, how am I going to get out of this situation before I get. Before I get killed here?

26:54 that they discovered that I was the one, behind killing, Ivard, the Maroney person that they had down in the basement. >> Sarah : Yeah, this episode was good. And I agree with you that, between both shows were, in terms of content eating well. I wasn't. I'm not as high on this episode as I was on the initial episode because it kind of, it felt a little the same. Like he's still trying to avoid or still trying to make sure that nobody points their fingers at him in terms of the death for Alberto. so. And I think that what detracted me, was that the first episode we were, we were with ah, oz from start to finish. And this episode had a lot more to do there. There were.

27:52 It felt like a regular tv show from the extent that like, there were a lot of scenes with Sophia and Sophia's uncle. And so they're fleshing out her storyline, especially in terms of her being released from Arkham, which is where we start in this episode. and then there's a scene at the funeral where she's greeted by a cousin and whose daughter comes over. And initially the cousin seems happy to see her cousin. And then quickly it's like, no, no, no, you're not allowed around my kid because you're the hangman. So. So they're starting to give us more of an understanding about what Sofia did to get her locked up. and also her mental fragile state. Yeah.

28:49 Because there's even the awkward scene where she wakes up in the closet and comes out and clearly was it walls was sleeping, was trying to strangle herself of some sort because she had scratches on her neck. So, so she's, she's still maybe hopped up on some Arkham pills or something. >> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm glad. Yeah. One of the things I did like about what they did with Sophia, this episode, the good use of exposition with the radio, you know, to sort of fill it, you know. So we got, we understood she was the hangman. We noticed she did bad things, but then they sort of teased it out a little bit more. This episode with whenever they had the discussing that she was a female serial killer and talked about how many women she had murdered. And also, like you said, I mean, just her relationship with her family and also even like, you know, I think when I had the reception there for Alberta's funeral, you know what I really liked about that scene as far as like, you know, all the, all the whispers about she's crazy, she's this, she's that.

29:57 And then she played into it whenever she was like, you know, she was at the, at the buffet table where she grabbed the food and she was just like, just she heard all the whispers and all the people stuff. So she just played along with it and like, at least that was how I read it. And, and, she's like, okay, you know, oh, yeah, I hear what you guys are saying about me and I'll just, I'll just, I'll buy into your narrative about me. >> Sarah : Yeah, she, she kind of did that in the first episode too, when she was at lunch with Oz. I remember how she was eating there. Is she, she. It's almost that.

30:39 I don't know if it's play plays into it, but it's more of like, she likes making people feel uneasy, like, or she was trying not to. And then she heard all the whispers and saw the stairs and then she was like, you're making me uneasy, so I'm just gonna do something that puts you on edge. >> Will: Yeah, there's that aspect of it too. Yeah. >> Sarah : I'm, curious to understand why in both situations it's food, like, because that, I mean, it's. She's a serial killer. So. Yeah, she eats in this very. And maybe it's because serial killers are often equated to animals. Like, they hunt for prey and you're eating in a ferocious way that makes it feel like you are an animal, a savage. I think that's it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah. And now, Because this episode, they're doing a good job with titles, as we always love to point out when. When we recognize shows do. but so we knew at the end of the first episode that Oz is working both sides. He's working bronies and he's working falcons side. And now, by the end of this episode, even though he fixed to some extent because Nadia really did say she wanted her

32:12 guy back, and technically he did not come back, he did. So I don't know how much of a, how good that dynamic is between him and the Maronis anymore. But now, on top of that, he's even managed to find himself, or I think intentionally find himself on Team Sofia as, she goes against the old guys in the Falcone family who seem to think that they can be running shots in place of her brother and her father. And she's still there. So he's. I guess what I'm getting at is, as much as I do think this is a good show, and it's well written.

33:00 They seem to, keep taking these scenarios and just putting Oz and, like, it's a weird, it's a weird game of chess. And I don't know if it's chess yet. Like, I don't know how to describe the game we're playing because, yeah, I mean, I understand Oz. He's, he's the, character who I liked from, to an extent, he is the character I always brought up when we were watching Shogun, earlier. >> Will: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> Sarah : Who, arguably, we shouldn't have liked, okay. But I was like, he's a survivalist. He's gonna go. He's gonna be friend.

33:47 He doesn't care. Like, loyalty is not that important. He just wants to survive. Oz is the same way, okay? Yes, yes. And now he's got to keep Vic alive even though Vic let him down. Which Vic? Come on. Okay, simple. While running away. Drop the drools. Okay. The Garris are just gonna pick up the jewels. They already assume you. They said, while they were, like, found you. They said, did you take anything from the car? Exactly. Dropped the jewels. You could have, you could have, you could have gotten away and also planted what Oz wanted you to plant. So, so I thought that was a little, like, come, on. I could have thought what to do in that situation.

34:36 >> Will: Yeah. >> Sarah : And, okay, I'm just gonna say this now because I like, to be honest with you all. The stutter is not working for me because, I mean, we have watched movies and shows with people who have stutters, and they can be done very well. And I'm blanking on the name of that movie, about Queen Elizabeth's dad who had a horrible stutter, this speech, the king's speech. The king speech, yeah. >> Will: With a Colin Firth. >> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, exactly. Colin, firth.

35:17 so I do, to some extent, anytime a character has a stutter, equate it to that movie, which is probably a horrible thing to do. >> Will: That's probably, yeah. I mean, that's, yeah. Cause wasn't that an Academy award, at least nominated, if not winning film was. >> Sarah : But come on. We all know Colin Farrell is going to get an Emmy for being penguin. Come on. But I just, I just, there, he doesn't, I don't know, there's something off. It feels very like an act. And the joke may be on me. He may not have a stutter by the end of this season.

35:59 >> Will: he may not. He may not. But something that you, yeah, something you said while, while you're giving analysis there that I, that I do worry about that may or may not happen with this show because some. You know, we had three scenarios in this episode, this week where it starts off wherever Oz is, blackgate, prison with the Moronis trying to, you know, the Moronis sorted out that he was behind Alberto's death. and he had to do some quick thinking there. We had a second scenario where with the drop itself, and then of course later in the episode where he had to plan at the funeral goes.

36:54 Goes sideways. And I'm worried maybe as worries is too strong award. But I am. Ah, but I do. If this is going to be the structure for the season, this will is. I'm m concerned that it will get predictable. >> Sarah : Exactly. Exactly. You, you said that better than I was. What I was trying to get at there. There's as much as I'm. I'm liking everything, there's an element of it where I'm just like, okay, this isn't catching me off. The. Nothing is catching me off guard. The first episode, just the thought of from start to finish, we're following him trying to get out of this like for some reason that felt like a mini action movie that like an hour long, it.

37:47 There were stakes. While at the same time you're like, this is a pilot episode so how much stakes can there be? But there's something very engaging about it. And you're just watching Colin Farrell own the screen for 50 to 60 minutes. And then this episode, like they don't do that structure. And then you start to see some of these elements and the more you think about it, the more it's just like, okay, well, I guess we're still in the superhero genre to some extent. I mean, there, it's not, it's not a villain of the week that's happening right now. It's more of a, how is Oz going to get out of this? Of being found out or like for any of the lies he is currently like wrapped up in?

38:43 The biggest one being that he shot Alberto, of course. Yeah, but so, so is that going to happen every week? And how long is that sustainable? And also like, you just took out one predictable procedural, element of your classic superhero show and replaced it for another. But like, it's still there. It's still a MacGuffin m of some sort, like. Yeah. Called by a different name. It still is what it is. >> Will: Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, I'm hopeful, you know, we're only in episode two. And maybe I think, you know, now that we, now that as we've ended this episode.

39:25 Oz and Sofia are on, you know, quote unquote on the same team, you know. You know, and I love the way and I do appreciate the way that they set that up. you know, in the middle of the episode there where they had the conversation and especially when you have, you know, with. With. About the mother and you know, taking him to his first concert and stuff and. And you know, and then throwing in the scene too with his mom. you know, she's still alive. But then whenever he was talking to Sophia, you know, he says she's actually dead. so, you know. So, you know. So I was wondering how. How the mother was playing into all this. But then when he was telling that story in the middle of the episode and then when we get to the end of the episode he says let's dance it all.

40:09 That. That one to me was like. That's where I was like yeah, this is where I'm really liking this show because I like the connectivity that they're doing with storytelling here. So hopefully, as I said, I'm concerned about the structure. I'm hoping that now that they have gotten. That we've gotten the pieces on the board move to this point, how will things sort of unfold as he and Sophia work together to take down for her sticking down the falcons. And then of course Ozdev, you know, pitting the falcons and saw Moroni against one another, you know, to create that gang war. So at the end of the day, after all the death settles, he's going to. You know, we know he's going to end up on top. So I'm hoping that the next few weeks will we be getting past these situations where Oz is in these situations where his plans go sideways and ah. Because you know, Vic didn't do x, y or zenith. And You know, so we don't fall into that predictable trap.

41:18 >> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, I hope so too. But We. We shall see. I We'll see if it just continues. Even if it gets a little predictable. If we're still eating good by the end of this month. Yeah, but. But before. Before we leave, Because I forgot about this, but did you watch last of us two trailer? >> Will: I Unfortunately I wanted to. I just haven't had time. Yeah, but tell I. So this is a situation. It's real reversal this time, y'all. Usually. Usually it's the other way around. >> Sarah : It is. It is. Because yeah, I'm already pretty much aware of what's gonna happen. But This is a really good trailer, because, Spoiler alert, you don't hear anything from Ellie, and you don't hear anything from Joel. There are lines from a character who we don't know about yet, I'm pretty sure.

42:21 and she's clearly talking to Joel, but you don't hear anything. and then it's just basically a montage of clips that are going to be, of scenes throughout the show of the season. and I've heard some theories. Everyone's really anxious. I'm just, you know, I said it while we were watching the first season, and I'll say it now. There's a shot, like, right at the beginning where Ellie is going through the doors and you see and they open and you see Jackson. And again, I didn't necessarily play the games, but I've Scene a lot from the games, and I was just like, whoa, I get it. and, yeah, the showrunners have come out and said, though, that allows people to do theory spiraling, even more about what. What season two will be, because I believe it's a shorter season than season one. A b. They have said they don't even know if they can fully tell the story in a season three. So that is. We might get a season four.

43:45 >> Will: Yep. >> Sarah : And. And so I'm getting excited for. To go back, to just to see, like, I think that's what they've done a very good job of. even if, you know, some things that will happen or if, you know, from start to start, to finish what happens in the second game, there's this big element of. But how do they do that? Like, you. How do you. And the first game, arguably a lot easier. The second game is a bit harder.

44:33 so we shall see. but I was. I was leaning towards not clicking on the trailer, and then I was just like, I'm gonna watch the trailer. >> Will: Yeah. >> Sarah : I'm glad I did. I. I hope not to watch another one. but I am, definitely. It reminded me a lot of the first trailer I saw for season one. >> Will: Oh, okay. >> Sarah : Okay. Where. Where there were scenes where I was like, I remember that I. That could be that. And there was also just there. There was just like, okay, we're starting something, and it's like we're continuing something. So, yeah, I just wanted to leave us on that note that season two of the last of us is coming, and we're all excited.

45:18 >> Will: We're all. Yeah, I. Yep. Early. I think was early next year. I don't think we got the exact date yet, but we do, we do know that probably be the first quarter of, 2025. So. >> Sarah : Yeah. And, on that note, will, why don't you tell our listeners where they can find you? >> Will: Yes, you can find me on, x for my notice. Twitter will m. Polk willmmpolk. >> Sarah : And you can find me there, too, at sjbelmont s j b e l m o n t m. Please follow our crew on xenandnerd, front us on Facebook, follow us on Instagram and threadseene n Nerd, and visit our website, www. Dot cnn podcast.com. but most importantly, rate, follow, and comment on, Apple podcasts, Spotify YouTube, or wherever your podcast. Good night. Geek out. You're welcome.